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| 01:03 | dcook | Hadn't thought about using basic authentication with OAI-PMH... but makes sense... |
| 01:38 | Francesca joined #koha | |
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| 02:07 | dcook | Hmmm but how to do it.. |
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| 02:11 | * Francesca | waves |
| 02:18 | * dcook | waves to Francesca |
| 02:18 | Francesca | sup |
| 02:18 | dcook | Oh man... when using LWP::UserAgent, you really don't want to forget that port number when setting the basic auth credentials... |
| 02:18 | Francesca | oops? |
| 02:18 | wahanui | i heard oops was mtompset's test plan is a little off, not a problem with the actual code. :) |
| 02:19 | dcook | Francesca: Yep :) |
| 02:19 | On uni break now? | |
| 02:19 | Francesca | yup |
| 02:19 | * dcook | will figure out oceanic academic calendars one day... getting closer |
| 02:19 | Francesca | the rest of this week, next week and then I go back |
| 02:19 | dcook | Yay for breaks! |
| 02:20 | Francesca | definantly |
| 02:21 | breaks are the best | |
| 02:21 | * dcook | is sure he'll get one of those again one day ;) |
| 02:21 | Francesca | apart from when your mother makes you sort your bookshelf |
| 02:21 | * dcook | was the kind of kid who wishes his parents sorted their bookshelves :p |
| 02:21 | dcook | wished* |
| 02:22 | Francesca | lol |
| 02:28 | eythian | https://twitter.com/DynResearc[…]821487104/photo/1 |
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| 02:38 | cdickinson | with my family, the bookshelf would just be left until someone got annoyed enough to do it |
| 02:48 | dcook | My family has a lot of books O_O |
| 02:48 | Quite a few of the walls in the basement are actually just bookshelves | |
| 03:14 | ibeardslee | my idea of rich is a room full of shelves of books and a couple of chairs to read in |
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| 03:17 | AmitG | hi al |
| 03:40 | wizzyrea | you said full of shelves and I read "rich relatives" I don't even know. |
| 03:40 | brain is not working correctly | |
| 03:41 | AmitG | heya wizzrea |
| 03:41 | heya wizzyrea | |
| 03:41 | wahanui | wizzyrea doesn't exist anymore |
| 03:42 | wizzyrea | hallo |
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| 03:52 | dcook | Hmm trying to remember if Debian moved on that Zebra/YAZ problem back when.. |
| 03:54 | eythian | not that I know of |
| 03:54 | rangi | aleisha brought a pie or something that smells like a pie and now im starving |
| 03:55 | pavlovian response | |
| 03:55 | aleisha | it is a pie |
| 03:55 | it's good as | |
| 03:58 | wizzyrea | oh now the pie smell has made it to my desk. |
| 03:58 | aleisha | hahaha |
| 03:58 | i am very sorry | |
| 03:58 | * dcook | is glad he just ate |
| 03:59 | aleisha | same |
| 03:59 | rangi | heh |
| 04:01 | eythian | dcook: remember that OSDC CFP closes in a few days |
| 04:01 | dcook | Oh? |
| 04:01 | eythian | yes. |
| 04:01 | dcook | I should look at that again |
| 04:01 | eythian | yes. |
| 04:01 | I just re-remembered it. | |
| 04:01 | * dcook | probably doesn't have anything worth talking about |
| 04:01 | eythian | didn't you submit something for last year? |
| 04:02 | dcook | Yeah, but it was awful :p |
| 04:02 | rangi | lca cfp is open too |
| 04:02 | eythian | dcook: well you have time to polish it up. |
| 04:03 | tbh, I have no idea what mine's going to say, I'm just making up enough stuff to fill out the boxes now. | |
| 04:03 | dcook | Yeah, I think I did that last year, and then when I started fleshing it out, I realized I really disliked my topic |
| 04:03 | eythian | that may be an issue |
| 04:04 | dcook | Hmm I almost have an idea |
| 04:04 | For "Showcasing a successful, or unsuccessful open source implementation" | |
| 04:04 | Don't know if I could do 30 minutes of talking about it though | |
| 04:04 | eythian | talk in a bigger font |
| 04:05 | dcook | Hehe. I suppose I could also adjust the margins |
| 04:07 | wizzyrea | talk in a bigger font. |
| 04:07 | more like "make the line spacing 2.11 | |
| 04:07 | " | |
| 04:15 | dcook | Arg... that moment when someone asks you a question about tokenization with Zebra and you have other work to do but you want to research/remember all the things... |
| 04:15 | * dcook | might be a masochist he guesses |
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| 04:41 | wizzyrea | <font type="Ft1">/path/to/font.ttf</font> this seems odd. |
| 04:41 | eythian | why? |
| 04:42 | wizzyrea | because it's turning up in the log when you try to export a pdf from the label creator |
| 04:44 | * eythian | doesn't understand |
| 04:44 | wizzyrea | iot's ok |
| 04:44 | it's ok* | |
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| 06:14 | AmitG | hi indradg |
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| 06:41 | reiveune | hello |
| 06:41 | wahanui | bidet, reiveune |
| 06:48 | * magnuse | waves |
| 06:49 | * dac | waves too |
| 06:49 | switches windows before fixing his name as well | |
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| 06:58 | alex_a | hello |
| 06:58 | wahanui | what's up, alex_a |
| 07:03 | kivilahtio | janPasi: Nyt alkaa olla vähän kiire sen miitin päivän julkistamisen suhteen. Voitko kysyä asap? |
| 07:04 | sorry, wrong room :) | |
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| 07:13 | AmitG | hi alex_a |
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| 07:16 | gaetan_B | hello |
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| 07:24 | magnuse | bonjour gaetan_B cait |
| 07:29 | cait | morning all |
| 07:29 | AmitG | heya cait |
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| 10:21 | drojf | hi #koha |
| 10:21 | cait | hi drojf |
| 10:21 | drojf | hi cait |
| 10:22 | @wunder berlin, germany | |
| 10:22 | huginn` | drojf: The current temperature in Berlin Tegel, Germany is 23.0°C (11:50 AM CEST on July 01, 2015). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 38%. Dew Point: 8.0°C. Pressure: 30.24 in 1024 hPa (Steady). |
| 10:22 | cait | could i interest you in testing a patch? |
| 10:22 | one that will help with weird things lots of german libraries do? | |
| 10:22 | drojf | not right now. but you could pre-book a slot in my interests ;) |
| 10:23 | what is it? | |
| 10:23 | cait | that sounds like an interesting offer |
| 10:23 | bug 13590 | |
| 10:23 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=13590 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Needs Signoff , Add ability to charge fines at start of charge period |
| 10:23 | cait | it means: weekly fine increase and still only a grace period of 2 days... hopefully |
| 10:23 | drojf | then i will pre-book a slot in your considerations for my offer to pre-book a slot in my interests ;) |
| 10:24 | cait | you know, we could just have negotiated that in complicated german instead :) |
| 10:25 | drojf | hehe |
| 10:25 | ah yes i have seen that before. will test later | |
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| 10:57 | drojf | not sure if i understand that last message on the mailing list correctly. who is supposed to organize that seminar? |
| 10:58 | and how many koha libraries are there in india? thousands? | |
| 10:59 | magnuse | @wunder boo |
| 10:59 | huginn` | magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 13.0°C (12:50 PM CEST on July 01, 2015). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 58%. Dew Point: 5.0°C. Pressure: 30.18 in 1022 hPa (Falling). |
| 11:00 | drojf | bodø summer? :) |
| 11:01 | @wunder berlin, germany | |
| 11:01 | huginn` | drojf: The current temperature in Berlin Tegel, Germany is 25.0°C (12:50 PM CEST on July 01, 2015). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 34%. Dew Point: 8.0°C. Pressure: 30.24 in 1024 hPa (Steady). |
| 11:01 | drojf | getting warmer /o\ |
| 11:01 | magnuse | drojf: at least it was supposed to be summer |
| 11:02 | drojf | would you like a few °C from over here? |
| 11:02 | magnuse | i read it as "[Bengal Library Association] are trying to organize a National Seminar on Koha on last week of January, 2016 in Kolkata, West Bengal, India" and they are happy to collaborate with all comers to get it organized |
| 11:02 | drojf: yeah, wouldn't mind a couple | |
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| 11:06 | drojf | i read it like that too, until the last two sentences, which made me wonder if they ask for some kind of official permission or something. may be a translation thing |
| 11:09 | magnuse | perhaps |
| 11:17 | drojf | can i change the framework which is used when i hit "new from z3950/sru" without specifying one? for "new record" i have to choose one, for z3950/sru there is the option to choose one or just go ahead (and get the standard framework) |
| 11:18 | i mean change it with some syspref. not in the code :) | |
| 11:20 | magnuse | nah, i think the default one will be the default |
| 11:21 | i could imagine having different defaults for each target or something like that, though | |
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| 11:55 | drojf | lol. german weather service had a bug and anounced 5--10cm of snow in their newsletter |
| 11:55 | cait | @wunder Konstanz |
| 11:55 | * cait | is melting |
| 11:55 | huginn` | cait: The current temperature in Bodensee Konstanz City, Konstanz, Germany is 27.3°C (1:55 PM CEST on July 01, 2015). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 42%. Dew Point: 13.0°C. Pressure: 30.12 in 1020 hPa (Steady). |
| 11:55 | cait | an this is a lie |
| 11:55 | it's more | |
| 11:56 | 29... but it feels terrible | |
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| 11:57 | * drojf | sends icecream |
| 11:58 | cait | thx :) |
| 11:58 | we made the mistake to go outside for lunch... | |
| 11:59 | drojf | i have not even had breakfast. too warm |
| 12:00 | * magnuse | actually feels sorry for the germans |
| 12:00 | cait | :) |
| 12:01 | * magnuse | finds his current temp kind of perfect - you only need a light jacket, and the air is refreshing |
| 12:01 | magnuse | @wunder boo |
| 12:01 | huginn` | magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 13.0°C (1:50 PM CEST on July 01, 2015). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 58%. Dew Point: 5.0°C. Pressure: 30.18 in 1022 hPa (Falling). |
| 12:01 | * cait | wishes to be norwegian today |
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| 12:04 | drojf | have to leave the house. that's gonna be fun :) later #koha |
| 12:04 | cait | poor drojf.... it was nice to know him |
| 12:06 | gaetan_B | in 3.18.8, no matter how much i pay, my patron still owes me the amount charged |
| 12:06 | cait | that's unfortunate |
| 12:06 | gaetan_B | i am looking at bugzilla and can't find that exact bug |
| 12:06 | cait | quite |
| 12:06 | there is none yet afaik | |
| 12:06 | is there anything in the logs? | |
| 12:06 | is the payment logged? | |
| 12:06 | what kind of fine is it? | |
| 12:06 | gaetan_B | nothihng in the logs |
| 12:07 | cait | none of our libraries has reported that yet - we are running 3.18.8 since friday |
| 12:07 | gaetan_B | i tried with lost item and regular fine |
| 12:07 | cait | let me test on our test installation |
| 12:07 | does the payment show on the summary page? | |
| 12:07 | gaetan_B | yes |
| 12:07 | the summary page has "Payment, thanks" | |
| 12:07 | quite a few times ;) | |
| 12:08 | the value in outstanding in front of the fine remains | |
| 12:08 | and the total due remains as well | |
| 12:08 | cait | give me a minute |
| 12:08 | gaetan_B | sure |
| 12:08 | cait | which of the many uttons to pay di dyou use? |
| 12:09 | hmm | |
| 12:09 | paying individual fines works for me | |
| 12:09 | i used the 'pay' button next to the fine entry | |
| 12:09 | let me try a partial | |
| 12:09 | not sure if sorry or happy - but it seems to work alright here | |
| 12:10 | well actually happy... because we have a lot of libraries using this | |
| 12:11 | gaetan_B | well that's reassuring i guess |
| 12:11 | i have tried all the buttons | |
| 12:11 | strange | |
| 12:11 | cait | i have tried the partial and the pay amount... |
| 12:11 | usual suspects.. try from the english templates? try another user? | |
| 12:12 | hm one cent also worked | |
| 12:12 | gaetan_B | i'm on the english templates |
| 12:12 | maybe it's the database | |
| 12:12 | cait | hm german ones for me |
| 12:12 | yep english works here too | |
| 12:15 | gaetan_B | well that's good news |
| 12:15 | cait | not sure what else to test |
| 12:15 | doen't make it less frustrating for you i guess | |
| 12:15 | gaetan_B | because we're currently updating all our libraries to 3.18.8 :) |
| 12:15 | so it seems it's just my test database | |
| 12:15 | cait | we already did - so yeah, that would be pretty scary |
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| 13:32 | indradg | kia ora #koha |
| 13:32 | nengard | morning indradg |
| 13:32 | indradg | hiya nengard |
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| 15:08 | reiveune | bye |
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| 15:20 | indradg | drojf: +1 i like your comments on tcohen's mail #paidprovider |
| 15:25 | pianohacker | indradg: drojf is mirko tietgen? |
| 15:26 | tcohen | drojf: i want to clarify that i use the word marketing in a really light way |
| 15:26 | indradg | pianohacker: yep |
| 15:26 | tcohen | pianohacker: yes |
| 15:26 | pianohacker | okay, thanks :) |
| 15:26 | jcamins | pianohacker: yeah, and in case you were wondering, it's pronounced "drojf." |
| 15:26 | indradg | jcamins: hey! |
| 15:26 | pianohacker | jcamins: oh, good to know ;) |
| 15:26 | * jcamins | is still baffled by that one. |
| 15:27 | indradg | heh |
| 15:27 | pianohacker | also, hi! Long time no see, jcamins |
| 15:27 | jcamins | Hello. I finally got mosh running on port 53. |
| 15:27 | * jcamins | works in a wireless dead zone, so I'm lagged out 90% of the time. |
| 15:28 | tcohen | ouch |
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| 15:45 | drojf | lol |
| 15:48 | @wunder berlin, germany | |
| 15:48 | huginn` | drojf: The current temperature in Berlin Tegel, Germany is 26.0°C (5:20 PM CEST on July 01, 2015). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 28%. Dew Point: 6.0°C. Pressure: 30.21 in 1023 hPa (Steady). |
| 15:48 | drojf | jcamins: how else would you pronounce it? :D |
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| 15:53 | pianohacker | drah-jiff |
| 15:55 | drojf | hehe. i would also accept doctor ojiff |
| 15:57 | pianohacker | drojf: where does your nick come from? |
| 15:58 | drojf | i think i did not plan to stay around long enough for people to start wondering how to pronounce the nick. next time i will consider staying for a few years before i quickly join a channel with a random name to ask one question |
| 15:59 | pianohacker: it's fjord spelled backwards. for no reason. i don't know how i came up with that, i have not used elsewhere | |
| 15:59 | pianohacker | hahahahaha |
| 15:59 | drojf | *used it elsewhere |
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| 16:04 | gaetan_B | bye |
| 16:16 | drojf | tcohen: regarding marketing, what i don't want to do is push advertising. one could argue signing off or contributing a patch is marketing too. and i have a website too. i want people that are looking for information to find it, but not throw it into everybody's face without asking |
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| 16:39 | tcohen | drojf: I agree, i'm not in marketing, just saying that's what the list is being used for, and it might hurt us |
| 16:40 | drojf | tcohen: yes, i agree with that. and i think if we can't agree on something like i proposed, it should go anyway. seems like nothing is better that the situation now |
| 16:41 | that was worded badly. if we can't agree on anything new… what i proposed is only an example, maybe there is something better. but the status quo is problematic | |
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| 18:17 | drojf | is there a way to use jquery depending on the user group currently logged in? I'd like to hide authorities depending on who logs in, and just taking away authority permission leaves the button in place (for authority search, which you don't need if you don't use authorities) |
| 18:18 | cait | hm |
| 18:18 | you don't want them to search even? | |
| 18:18 | i am not sure if the category is visible in staff - you could use the username | |
| 18:18 | but they might just change it | |
| 18:18 | it seems like one of thise 123 :) | |
| 18:18 | @quote get 123 | |
| 18:18 | wahanui | http://xkcd.com/1172/ |
| 18:18 | huginn` | cait: Quote #123: "rangi: #thingsihavelearnt if there is a mad scheme a library somewhere will be doing it ... except madder" (added by wizzyrea at 09:20 PM, March 30, 2011) |
| 18:19 | drojf | have a clean interface with only the things you need… is that mad? :) |
| 18:19 | cait | hm then you could just generally remove it |
| 18:19 | why the user group distinction? | |
| 18:20 | drojf | i was confused it is not possible out of the box with permissions. in the end it does not matter to hide it for everyone then i guess |
| 18:20 | but i like to have options :P | |
| 18:20 | cait | it's considered a basic thing i guess |
| 18:20 | and no harm if they can search | |
| 18:21 | drojf | i'm bringing koha to libraries that have never heard of authorities ;) |
| 18:21 | cait | lol |
| 18:21 | you should build a simplified koha then :P | |
| 18:21 | drojf | and i think the people in charge don't want them to ask :D |
| 18:21 | cait | sounds somewhat familiar |
| 18:21 | drojf | i heard there is something out in india :P |
| 18:22 | cait | ;) |
| 18:22 | drojf | have they put out the source code already? ;) |
| 18:22 | cait | i am on vacation now - no idea ) |
| 18:24 | drojf | oh nice. how is it? :) |
| 18:24 | cait | it just started |
| 18:24 | still recovering from the work day :) | |
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| 18:55 | indradg | did someone mention 'India'? |
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| 18:56 | cait | not talking about you :) |
| 18:56 | indradg | cait: i know what you are talking about ckoha.in fellows.... that Joubu wanted to see the CSS :P |
| 18:57 | cait | :) |
| 18:58 | indradg | drojf, cait - I am working on bug 5362. Got jcamins to give me his blessings to take it over :) |
| 18:58 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5362 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, indradg, NEW , Simple (non-MARC) cataloging interface |
| 18:59 | cait | indradg: that... and rancor... and what we have... all level sheh |
| 18:59 | beginner - advanced - professional | |
| 18:59 | indradg | heh |
| 19:00 | drojf | indradg: cool! can you be done next week please? :P |
| 19:02 | indradg | jokes aside people...what do you think of this - https://lists.katipo.co.nz/pip[…]-July/043137.html |
| 19:02 | cait, drojf ^^^ | |
| 19:02 | cait | haven't read it |
| 19:02 | yet | |
| 19:03 | indradg | what he proposed is mostly along lines of KohaNA meetings... but IMHO, poor choice of words (and that he has no idea of KohaNA meetups) |
| 19:04 | drojf you seem to be in tearing hurry! :D | |
| 19:05 | drojf | indradg: i was a little confused by the last sentences. do they ask people to participate or do they ask permission/ someone to organize it? i think it's just a translation thing, earlier they say they plan to do it. |
| 19:05 | apart from that it sounded like a good idea | |
| 19:06 | cait | hm it sounds like 'good intentions* |
| 19:06 | but maybe a bit confusing choice of words | |
| 19:06 | indradg | drojf: here is the backstory... the chap asked me if I would be a speaker... I said, fine with me... as long as the community has no objections to IndKoha naming over TM concerns |
| 19:06 | cait | we culd suggest they start a user group.... naming it indkoha should not be aproblem |
| 19:06 | indian kohacon would be critical | |
| 19:06 | drojf: waht was the title of the finnish thing? | |
| 19:08 | drojf | indradg: oh, i see. i don't know why that would be a problem. what cait says, calling it like a conference that is already established would be weird |
| 19:08 | cait: wait… | |
| 19:08 | cait | yep? |
| 19:08 | wahanui | yep. |
| 19:09 | indradg | plus I would suggest that instead of a BLA (Bengal Library Assn - the Lib Assn in my home state) led KohaIN event, the organising committee should include and involve Koha users from across India |
| 19:09 | drojf | i think it was just koha seminar |
| 19:09 | cait | who is a member in the association? |
| 19:09 | not libraries? | |
| 19:09 | indradg | I found the whole bit a little fishy... especially with the mention of BLA also being a paid support provider |
| 19:10 | a bunch of koha*.in domains are held by Jo Ransom on behalf of HLT | |
| 19:10 | cait | yeah it's a bit hard for us to tell |
| 19:11 | indradg | cait: BLA is the library assn of librarians in West Bengal (my home state)... we have like 30 something states in India |
| 19:11 | drojf | yes, no idea about indian library associations. it sounded like something independent, but i wondered about mentioning being a support provider too |
| 19:11 | cait | we are public and a koha provider |
| 19:11 | hehe | |
| 19:11 | it's possible! | |
| 19:11 | drojf | sounds fishy :P |
| 19:12 | indradg | indeed |
| 19:12 | cait | hmpf! |
| 19:12 | drojf | :D |
| 19:12 | * cait | glares at the two of you |
| 19:12 | indradg | which is why I suggested that he runs it through the community m/l |
| 19:12 | the outcome of that suggestion is now in your inboxes :P | |
| 19:13 | drojf | even if they'd only be support company and nothing else, if they invite others to participate (and mean it) i would not see a problem |
| 19:14 | indradg | drojf neither would I... unless we had so much drama over the #paidsupportproviderlistings |
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| 19:15 | cait | i tmight be problematic if one provider claimed a very general name... hm |
| 19:15 | but i think this whole discussion made us quite suspicious | |
| 19:15 | i eman others are duoing europan koha hackfests :) | |
| 19:15 | sorry for all the typos tonight | |
| 19:15 | drojf | kohacon in edinburgh was mainly organized by software.coop for everybody and i don't think it was a problem for other support companies. but maybe it's different on the indian market (telling from the mailing list ;) |
| 19:16 | oh yes biblibre does the hackfest | |
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| 19:17 | wnickc | KohaNA has had lots of support from Bywater |
| 19:17 | cait | naturally i guess :) |
| 19:17 | pianohacker | @koha++ |
| 19:17 | huginn` | pianohacker: I've exhausted my database of quotes |
| 19:17 | pianohacker | koha++ |
| 19:18 | cait | pianohacker: did you see? indradg is entering the cataloguing editor competition ;) |
| 19:18 | btw i think yours needs a rebase :) | |
| 19:19 | drojf | next step would be a cataloguing editor editor :) |
| 19:19 | pianohacker | yeah, master moves at the speed of light |
| 19:19 | cait | and there you say we never change stuff heh :) |
| 19:20 | indradg | cait: its my birthday today... so gimme a break :D |
| 19:20 | * pianohacker | raises an inquiring eyebrow at indradg |
| 19:20 | cait | indradg: and i am on vacation - i can do whatever I want now :P |
| 19:20 | indradg | sounds legit |
| 19:20 | drojf | oh. happy birthday indradg! |
| 19:21 | pianohacker | indradg: you have a cataloging editor, birthday boy? |
| 19:21 | cait | and happy birthday :) Alles Gute zum Geburtstag! |
| 19:21 | bag | happy birthday indradg |
| 19:22 | wnickc | happy birthday! |
| 19:22 | indradg | thank you bag, cait, drojf pianohacker, wnickc |
| 19:22 | cait | pianohacker: you need to read back :) i didn't want to start a war heh |
| 19:22 | indradg | :D |
| 19:23 | pianohacker | jcamins: regardless of why you're in channel, good to see you here again :) cheers |
| 19:23 | indradg: ooh. Any screenshots yet? | |
| 19:23 | we're gonna have to start seriously thinking about the interface between switching between all of these | |
| 19:24 | indradg | pianohacker: not yet... and yes the switching bit has to be thought out |
| 19:24 | drojf | i would like a session of tetris every time you switch the editor |
| 19:25 | pianohacker | http://www.cpcgamereviews.com/w/welltris.png before you can switch to a more advanced editor |
| 19:25 | but coolL | |
| 19:25 | cool! | |
| 19:25 | drojf | MARCtris |
| 19:25 | oh that sounds scary | |
| 19:25 | * drojf | goes for a walk |
| 19:25 | pianohacker | really cool game |
| 19:25 | cait | drojf: some little excercise... strengthen the back.. stretch your muscles |
| 19:26 | drojf | thats what i am about to do ;) |
| 19:26 | wnickc | users should be able to set their default (or give us admins the power to set their default- bwahahahahaha) |
| 19:26 | cait | i was thinking of the 'in between thing' |
| 19:26 | instead of tetris | |
| 19:26 | drojf | i know ;) |
| 19:26 | * cait | is glad that people find sense between all her typos tonight |
| 19:27 | pianohacker | wnickc: would we want permissions or set defaults? |
| 19:27 | drojf | you are on vacation |
| 19:27 | ;) | |
| 19:27 | later | |
| 19:27 | cait | pianohacker: i think that would be nice as a per user thing |
| 19:27 | wnickc | pianohacker: hm.. both? |
| 19:27 | wahanui | both is, like, best :) |
| 19:27 | pianohacker | rum and coke, hold the coke in one hand, typing with the other |
| 19:27 | hard vacation, cait :) | |
| 19:27 | wnickc | since no two libraries can do things the same way |
| 19:28 | cait | because you might have a junior dev and someone more advanced in the same library system |
| 19:28 | or library even | |
| 19:28 | wnickc | default is probably enough though, unless rancor lets you do terribly destructive things |
| 19:28 | pianohacker | users can change between rancor and addbiblio right now, though it is just shoved in a cookie |
| 19:29 | wnickc | (is why I keep MARCedit integration a secret) |
| 19:29 | pianohacker | not really. Only real additional feature is arbitrary tags/subfields |
| 19:29 | cait | hm pref for default.... cookie for your day's favourite... and permissions? :) |
| 19:29 | wnickc | you can't edit items in rancor can you? |
| 19:30 | pianohacker | wnickc: no, not currently |
| 19:30 | some libraries want it though | |
| 19:30 | cait | let's get a good base in first :) |
| 19:31 | wnickc | once you can, then permission |
| 19:31 | pianohacker | heh, fair |
| 19:31 | wnickc: what if the ability to add items was hinged on the existing item editing permission? | |
| 19:36 | wnickc | yeah, I think so, the concern is just someone mucking up many libraries items when they only intend to mcuk up their own |
| 19:36 | if you could load only your libraries items into editor would be nice | |
| 19:37 | pianohacker | ah, independentbranches stuff? |
| 19:37 | wnickc | we are wierd though independent branches but not with the pref |
| 19:37 | loose consortium | |
| 19:37 | pianohacker | does the current item editor isolate branches, then? |
| 19:39 | wnickc | it doesn't, but you can only load one item at a time so not many issues |
| 19:39 | cait | it does with indybranches |
| 19:39 | although it's a little leaky | |
| 19:44 | wnickc | yeah, if indybranches were more flexible we might use it, we have several group cards though |
| 20:01 | cait | hm yeah... right now it's complicated... it has some catches |
| 20:23 | rangi | morning |
| 20:24 | wnickc | hi rangi |
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| 21:17 | wizzyrea | hi |
| 21:17 | hi | |
| 21:17 | oh, heh | |
| 21:20 | * cait | waves |
| 21:24 | mtj | yolo #koha |
| 21:25 | thanks for making the wiki suggestion rangi | |
| 21:25 | rangi | no worries |
| 21:28 | mtj | have people seen this.. -> http://stevebennett.me/2012/02[…]i-hate-about-git/ |
| 21:29 | ..i found the ' typical Github-hosted project:' diagram interesting | |
| 21:30 | i think its just a problem for a github workflow tho.... not git itself? | |
| 21:32 | 2. Crazy command line syntax | |
| 21:33 | cait | i love git |
| 21:33 | wizzyrea | same |
| 21:33 | cait | i have seen people struggling coming from other version control systems |
| 21:33 | maybe it helps if you just start with git heh | |
| 21:34 | i think mybe workflow issues too? | |
| 21:34 | wizzyrea | well i mean, for some value of "love" that includes "it keeps things organised and version control is good" |
| 21:34 | pianohacker | after using SVN and perforce professionally, the big difference is that when you break/screw up git, you can actually FIX it |
| 21:34 | wizzyrea | add that to my definition of love. |
| 21:34 | also, reflog. | |
| 21:34 | rangi | that reads to me |
| 21:34 | i know how to use svn | |
| 21:34 | i dont know how to use git | |
| 21:34 | ergo git sux | |
| 21:35 | pianohacker | it's easy to put SVN into a completely incomprehensible state that requires careful surgery to repair |
| 21:35 | mtj | lol, yeah that too ^ |
| 21:35 | pianohacker | and yeah |
| 21:35 | cait | that's what i got too... people stuck in how svn worked specifically |
| 21:35 | and being scared of corrupting their repo | |
| 21:35 | * cait | never managed to break her git repo ever |
| 21:36 | pianohacker | and distributed vc makes things more complicated, it's unfortunately what you sign up for in exchange for the benefits |
| 21:36 | rangi | *nod* |
| 21:36 | cait | true |
| 21:36 | rangi | ill give him that the man pages do suck |
| 21:36 | mtj | i was always curious about github and merge problem - ie: how to solve them? |
| 21:36 | rangi | i agree on that point |
| 21:37 | mtj | .. but looks like github doesnt handle merge problems, at all |
| 21:39 | jcamins | Don't use GitHub for PRs. |
| 21:39 | mtj | the mecurial/git discussions are often interesting |
| 21:39 | jcamins | Problem^H^H^H^H^H^H^HSolved |
| 21:39 | That said, I actually don't mind PRs in GitHub. | |
| 21:40 | mtj | mecurial and git seem to be close in workflow and feature parity these days? |
| 21:40 | jcamins | But if you don't want to use GitHub's built-in PR functionality, you can just merge pull requests manually. |
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| 21:42 | mtj | jcamins: i'm a bit curious about github.. mostly coz bits of perl6 project are using it |
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| 22:06 | pianohacker | okay, this is a mildly obscure question, but I wanted to poke the community on this |
| 22:07 | it is possible to use the "hidden" value to hide any given subfield in the OPAC/Staff side/editor, and this extends to item subfields | |
| 22:07 | cait | can you rephrease the question? |
| 22:08 | or i can try to answer and you tell me if you meant something else? | |
| 22:08 | pianohacker | however, if you mark an item subfield as hidden, it only hides it from the item input form, not the table showing all the items. This seems like a bug. Thoughts? |
| 22:08 | cait | atm |
| 22:08 | the hidden values in the frameworks only affect the marc views | |
| 22:08 | pianohacker | cait: ^ finally got to the actual question :) |
| 22:08 | cait | and not both i think |
| 22:08 | only the labelled or the other... i don't have access to my notes :) | |
| 22:09 | so no, you can't use it, but i think that's a bug | |
| 22:09 | mtompset did write a patch, but there were performance concerns, also it would be good to remove the fields in a central place | |
| 22:09 | pianohacker | I mean, you can debate whether marking the 245$a as hidden should hide the title display |
| 22:10 | but in this case the two parts of the additem.pl screen aren't consistent | |
| 22:10 | cait | if you want to hide it from the table.. in the add item for... you can experiment with the tabs setting |
| 22:10 | but you might want to test that well | |
| 22:10 | setting it to ignore coudl do the trick, might have side effects | |
| 22:10 | pianohacker | cait: :/ that seems a little sketchy |
| 22:10 | cait | hm? |
| 22:11 | pianohacker | cait: changing the tab seems like it might have unpleasant side effects. What do you mean by ignore? |
| 22:12 | cait | instead of 10 to ignore |
| 22:13 | it's one of the choices... but as i said, migh be a little tricky | |
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| 22:13 | cait | or use jquery... heh |
| 22:13 | or... fix it! | |
| 22:13 | pianohacker | ah, kk |
| 22:13 | cait: yeah, I think I should fix it to make hidden affect the table on additem | |
| 22:14 | just trying to figure out the best way forward | |
| 22:14 | and whether there was reasons you'd want the current behavior | |
| 22:14 | cait | hm i don#t see a good reason not to follow the settings... i think editor hidden should hide it there too |
| 22:15 | pianohacker | good :) |
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| 23:07 | mtj | hey wizzyrea, rangi.. do catalyst have any bootstrap opacs, with the plant/food 'new books' display? |
| 23:08 | wizzyrea | ihc.mykoha.co.nz |
| 23:09 | (not exactly the same. Similar though( | |
| 23:09 | also I am not a fan of the coverflow. | |
| 23:09 | or sliders, generally. | |
| 23:16 | mtj | yeah, i mostly agree |
| 23:17 | thanks too ^ | |
| 23:18 | i quite liked teeny small ones on a page - but not so much big ones | |
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| 23:18 | cdickinson | Morning #koha |
| 23:19 | mtj | hiya cdickinson |
| 23:19 | curtin had a smaller one than that, at one stage -> http://library.curtin.edu.au/ | |
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| 23:22 | mtj | awesome wizzyrea, thanx for that url :0) |
| 23:23 | wizzyrea | yep nw |
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