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| 00:25 | wizzyrea | hi |
| 00:30 | eythian | https://twitter.com/rpy/status/615044896123031552 |
| 00:31 | dcook | O_O |
| 00:32 | @later tell tcohen thanks :) | |
| 00:32 | huginn` | dcook: The operation succeeded. |
| 00:32 | dcook | @later tell pianohacker thanks :) |
| 00:32 | huginn` | dcook: The operation succeeded. |
| 00:32 | dcook | Hmm that looked generic... |
| 00:32 | eythian | @later tell dcook it did |
| 00:32 | huginn` | eythian: The operation succeeded. |
| 00:33 | dcook | @later tell eythian But it was the same sentiment! |
| 00:33 | huginn` | dcook: The operation succeeded. |
| 00:34 | wizzyrea | many lulx. |
| 00:34 | lulz. | |
| 00:34 | dcook | ^_^ |
| 00:38 | wizzyrea | ...I just realised that I don't know how one "un-receives" a serial. |
| 00:38 | I feel like you just change the status back to "expected" | |
| 00:38 | dcook | Hmm, could be. Might need to do something with the items too if it was made automatically? |
| 00:42 | wizzyrea | valid point |
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| 01:11 | wizzyrea | @later tell nengard documentation suggestion: write down what to do if you make a mistake receiving serials. :) |
| 01:11 | huginn` | wizzyrea: The operation succeeded. |
| 01:11 | * dcook | thumbs up |
| 01:12 | wizzyrea | (though I'll probably have something that kind of maybe says what to do in the next day or so.) |
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| 03:28 | AmitG | hi all |
| 05:00 | * dcook | looks forward to the day when Koha ships with Plack by default |
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| 05:51 | * magnuse | waves |
| 05:51 | dac | Is it already that time of day? |
| 05:51 | * dac | waves to magnuse |
| 05:52 | * magnuse | waves back |
| 05:52 | magnuse | guess it is |
| 05:53 | * magnuse | hates to be the bringer of bad news |
| 05:54 | dcook | Oh, I don't mind |
| 05:55 | Feels like a long day :p | |
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| 06:01 | * magnuse | wonders how we already got to the 29th |
| 06:01 | magnuse | @wunder boo |
| 06:01 | huginn` | magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 9.0°C (7:50 AM CEST on June 29, 2015). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 76%. Dew Point: 5.0°C. Pressure: 29.92 in 1013 hPa (Steady). |
| 06:01 | dcook | @wunder syd |
| 06:01 | huginn` | dcook: The current temperature in Sydney, New South Wales is 18.0°C (3:30 PM AEST on June 29, 2015). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 56%. Dew Point: 9.0°C. Pressure: 30.39 in 1029 hPa (Steady). |
| 06:01 | dcook | I wonder that too |
| 06:01 | I think we only have 2 more months of winter here... | |
| 06:01 | * dcook | isn't sure that Bodo has figured out it's summer yet though |
| 06:02 | magnuse | nope, something failed this year, so far... |
| 06:03 | dcook | :( |
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| 06:43 | ashimema | @wunder stevenage, il |
| 06:43 | huginn` | ashimema: The current temperature in Monkswood, Stevenage, United Kingdom is 15.2°C (7:42 AM BST on June 29, 2015). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 85%. Dew Point: 13.0°C. Pressure: 30.15 in 1021 hPa (Steady). |
| 06:43 | ashimema | @wunder stevenage, uk |
| 06:43 | huginn` | ashimema: The current temperature in Monkswood, Stevenage, United Kingdom is 15.2°C (7:43 AM BST on June 29, 2015). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 85%. Dew Point: 13.0°C. Pressure: 30.15 in 1021 hPa (Steady). |
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| 06:44 | fred_pt | Good morning everyone! Can someone please spare some minutes helping me resolve a problem with my current Koha server? |
| 06:44 | fridolin | hie |
| 06:45 | ashimema | ask away.. someone is likely to try and answer |
| 06:45 | (though it's breakfast time for me.. so I'm about to head offline for a bit for that ;) ) | |
| 06:46 | fred_pt | Thanks for the kind reply |
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| 06:47 | fred_pt | My problem is really the ldap link to my domain controller. I have spent a few hours trying to solve this but no luck, |
| 06:47 | reiveune | hello |
| 06:47 | wahanui | bonjour, reiveune |
| 06:47 | fred_pt | I need to be able to read the domain accounts as we have +800 users and growing fast. |
| 06:49 | I have searched for documentation, tried several ways and if i use a tool like ldapsearch i can connect and read the user data, within koha it always fails either by saying no results returned or by saying logon error. | |
| 06:49 | Is anyone able to give me a help on this please? | |
| 06:49 | Thanks! | |
| 06:50 | ashimema | What Koha version are you using.. |
| 06:50 | and what documentation have you followed thus far.. | |
| 06:51 | are you doing auth by bind? | |
| 06:51 | fred_pt | If i try to use opac-user.pl to test like: opac-user.pl userid=***** password=****** it returns Can't locate C4/Auth.pm in @INC (you may need to install the C4::Auth module) |
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| 06:53 | fred_pt | Ok now responding to your questions: koha version 3.14.16 - the documentation was the official one on koha site and ldap with bind. |
| 06:54 | Can i poaste here the config i have in koha-conf.xml? | |
| 06:54 | *post | |
| 06:56 | Oh and the windows server doesn't accept anonymous bind. | |
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| 06:59 | alex_a | bonjour |
| 06:59 | wahanui | niihau, alex_a |
| 07:01 | fred_pt | Good morning |
| 07:01 | wahanui | the only good morning is a dead one |
| 07:02 | fred_pt | This ldap thing is killing my last 2 mornings... :( |
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| 07:04 | drojf | morning |
| 07:05 | fred_pt | opac-user.pl userid=***** password=****** it returns Can't locate C4/Auth.pm in @INC (you may need to install the C4::Auth module) anyone knows what is this error? |
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| 07:07 | AmitG | alex_a around? |
| 07:07 | alex_a | AmitG: yep |
| 07:08 | AmitG | can you please check |
| 07:08 | @bug 6810 | |
| 07:08 | huginn` | AmitG: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6810 enhancement, P4, ---, amitddng135, Needs Signoff , Send membership expiry reminder notices |
| 07:08 | drojf | fred_pt: don't know what yoiu are doing, but that looks like missing environment variables |
| 07:09 | fred_pt | i am trying to put the ldap connection between koha and windows domain controller - it works with serachldap but not with koha |
| 07:09 | drojf | have you tried doing it in koha-shell? (if you are on a package installation) |
| 07:11 | fred_pt | now you got me - just found i have a shell.... let's try to use it... |
| 07:12 | * dcook | waves and peaces out for the night |
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| 07:15 | cait | morning #koha |
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| 07:19 | marcelr | hi #koha |
| 07:22 | cait | hi marcelr :) |
| 07:22 | fred_pt | Does the ldap in koha writes to any log file? |
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| 07:23 | cait | fred_pt: what kind of information are you looking for? |
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| 07:23 | fred_pt | i need to find out why my ldap connection is not working between koha and windows server |
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| 07:25 | cait | error messages might show up in the usual logs |
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| 07:25 | cait | do you know wher your koha logs are? |
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| 07:26 | gaetan_B | hello |
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| 07:29 | fred_pt | ok |
| 07:29 | after having a better look into it i found the log i was looking for: opac-user.pl: LDAP Auth rejected : invalid password for user 'falmeida'. LDAP error #16: LDAP_NO_SUCH_ATTRIBUTE | |
| 07:30 | ashimema | well done fred_pt |
| 07:30 | cait | morning ashimema :) |
| 07:31 | fred_pt | so i think i am missing something between the query i make and the fields in ldap server? |
| 07:32 | LDAP Auth rejected : (sAMAccountName=frederico almeida) gets 0 hits, referer: http://trvlib.library.trivago.[…]koha/opac-user.pl | |
| 07:33 | does this means that i was able to log into windows ldap and it didn't find the user i tried to login with? | |
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| 07:36 | cait | um maybe somethin in your mapping? is the name with the space the user login? |
| 07:38 | fred_pt | i tried several ways but the proper one should be "falmeida" as this is the pc login username |
| 07:38 | if i try falmeida i get: opac-user.pl: LDAP Auth rejected : invalid password for user 'falmeida'. LDAP error #16: LDAP_NO_SUCH_ATTRIBUTE | |
| 07:39 | but looking at this awser it seems it can't find the password to match against or i see this wrong? | |
| 07:40 | in ldap the "name" is "Frederico Almeida" but sAMAccountName is "falmeida" | |
| 07:42 | also i get this second line in the log: The request referenced an attribute that does not exist | |
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| 07:42 | fred_pt | I have koha working wonderful just miss this step to "sell" it to my company for our new library... |
| 07:43 | cait | hm i think the second looks more promising - maybe then it finds the user name but just the passwords are not matching? |
| 07:44 | i have never set up ldap myself - so not much help here | |
| 07:44 | might be worth trying the mailing list | |
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| 07:48 | ashimema | whats your config look lke? |
| 07:48 | http://paste.koha-community.org/ | |
| 07:48 | obviosly *** out anything personal ;) | |
| 07:51 | pastebot | "fred_pt" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "LDAP config" (24 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/161 |
| 07:52 | cait | hm wondering, do you need to match password? |
| 07:52 | fred_pt | i'm kind of new to this ldap thing so i may give stupid awsers :) and i just need to have the users from windows domain to authenticate to koha interface |
| 07:53 | cait | i am just guessing around - you better listen to ashimema :) |
| 08:04 | * magnuse | will have to set up ldap soon, so is all ears |
| 08:04 | kivilahtio | @later tell pianohacker. I think I made a translation mistake in my head. When I said my work, I meant my job ... :) |
| 08:04 | huginn` | kivilahtio: The operation succeeded. |
| 08:38 | ashimema | oops.. |
| 08:38 | sorry.. I missed the paste there... just reading it now | |
| 08:39 | ooh.. you probably want auth_by_bind.. I've hardly ever seen that set to '0' | |
| 08:41 | not many ldap directories will allow the password to leak out.. so bind mean you send them username + password to the ldap and letting it 'bind' for you.. | |
| 08:41 | with auth_by_bind turned off, instead koha asks for the password and then does the comparision our side | |
| 08:42 | or at least that's my understanding | |
| 08:42 | So.. in your current flow.. | |
| 08:43 | cait | fred_pt ^^ |
| 08:43 | ashimema | koha will attempt to login to the ldap server with your 'service user', (as per the username and password contained within the <user></user><pass></pass> block |
| 08:43 | kivilahtio | ashimema: speaking of LDAP, can you tell me in two sentences what is the difference between LDAP and CAS and Shibboleth? |
| 08:44 | apparently LDAP and Shibboleth are pretty muc hthe same? | |
| 08:44 | ashimema | it'll then perform an ldap search to find the user that's trying to login.. (i.e samaccountname).. |
| 08:44 | it will all ask what their password is.. then compare it to what they gave you | |
| 08:44 | kivilahtio | ashimema: And If I was to implement a single sign on system for our Issue tracker and Koha librarians, which method would you recommend? |
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| 08:45 | ashimema | OK.. they're all authentication systems (which can double up as authorization handlers) |
| 08:45 | it's the order in which the calls happen which is important. | |
| 08:46 | kivilahtio | ok |
| 08:47 | ashimema | LDAP... User inputs username & password into KOHA.. koha then sends these to ldap server and asks "Are they OK?", LDAP then replies with OK and other details if configured to give those (from which you can build new users, update existing users) |
| 08:47 | kivilahtio | yup |
| 08:48 | ashimema | Shibboleth: Koha asks browser 'Do we have a logged in user?', Browser replies with yes or no, if no then user can ask to authenticate, koha says 'OK, go over there and authenticate, then bring me back a secret handshake'. (So, the big thing here is koha NEVER see's the users username and password). |
| 08:48 | magnuse | how does ldap work if the user has never signed into koha, but comes to check out a book? can koha then get the patron data without the user's password? |
| 08:49 | ashimema | similarly to ldap, the shibboleth secret handshake can include lots of extra details from which you can build a koha user from/update an existing user from. |
| 08:49 | cait | magnuse: not yet, but i think there is apatch lingering somewhere in koha |
| 08:49 | ashimema | right now magnuse, no.. |
| 08:49 | but that's an enhancement I'd love to do.. | |
| 08:49 | magnuse | cait, ashimema: oh |
| 08:49 | ashimema | sorry.. |
| 08:49 | cait | magnuse: you'd tell them to go log into the opac once |
| 08:49 | ashimema | if those user account are already in the koha end they can... |
| 08:49 | cait | then they can chek out |
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| 08:50 | cait | if you do the 'create users via ldap' thing |
| 08:50 | magnuse | gotcha |
| 08:50 | ashimema | but if your relying upon ldap to populate your users, then that will only happen at first login |
| 08:51 | cait | ashimema: hm differences between ldap and shib... |
| 08:51 | ashimema | CAS i'm not 100% sure how it works.. |
| 08:51 | cait | with shib you can authenticate at the... campus portal and then you are automatically logged into koha as well - can you do that kind of thing with ldap? |
| 08:51 | ashimema | I think it sort of sits in the middle of those two methods |
| 08:51 | kivilahtio | cait: I think in Koha we could easily add a borrower from the information LDAP returns |
| 08:52 | cait | kivilahtio: we do |
| 08:52 | already | |
| 08:52 | it's just an optional feature | |
| 08:52 | also updating the user everytime they authenticate | |
| 08:52 | kivilahtio | really? I haven't seen that in C4::Auth? |
| 08:52 | cait | maybe because it happens elsewher? :) |
| 08:52 | kivilahtio | mm, mybe it is on C4::Auth_LDAP |
| 08:53 | cait | i think in the ldap module |
| 08:53 | yep | |
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| 08:53 | cait | only the ldap does that so far -ashimema has patches for it to happen with shib too |
| 08:53 | kivilahtio | ashimema: when can you take a look at the authentication rewrite? |
| 08:53 | ashimema | C4::Auth_with_ldap kivi |
| 08:53 | cait | shibboleth is very common here - to build single sign on solutions |
| 08:53 | magnuse | http://perldoc.koha-community.[…]th_with_ldap.html |
| 08:53 | cait | also for accessing electronic ressources |
| 08:53 | ashimema | yup.. |
| 08:54 | Shibboleth is SSO.. LDAP is SLO | |
| 08:54 | cait | slo? |
| 08:54 | kivilahtio | single log on |
| 08:54 | cait | aah |
| 08:54 | kivilahtio | ? |
| 08:54 | cait | so that would be the main difference i guess |
| 08:54 | kivilahtio | single-sign on vs single log on |
| 08:54 | ashimema | SSO = Single Sign On (i.e sign in once on one app, be signed into all other apps at the same time) |
| 08:54 | SLO - Single Log On (i.e sign in to each app individually, but using the same set of credentials each time) | |
| 08:55 | I 'think' CAS is also SSO.. | |
| 08:55 | but matts would be able to better comment | |
| 08:55 | kivilahtio | CAS only want a PT-http parameter |
| 08:55 | ashimema | there is also Persona and APK support in koha.. |
| 08:55 | cait | i think persona is dead kind of |
| 08:55 | ashimema | along with local auth over BASIC or Params |
| 08:55 | kivilahtio | I thought Persona was part of CAS |
| 08:55 | cait | it probably still workds tho |
| 08:55 | no | |
| 08:55 | todally different | |
| 08:55 | ashimema | persona is a firefox thing |
| 08:56 | Firefox acts as your identity keeper.. | |
| 08:56 | kivilahtio | in C4::Auth there is only one check for PT-parameter in context of Persona, and the PT leads to CAS |
| 08:56 | ashimema | it sends a 'special token' which koha then binds on |
| 08:56 | nah.. that's just because the varialbe are all messed up and re-used all over the shop ;) | |
| 08:57 | it's not CAS.. | |
| 08:57 | cait | https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/persona/about/ |
| 08:57 | kivilahtio | ok |
| 08:57 | ashimema | yeah.. Auth is a mess ;) |
| 08:57 | kivilahtio | ashimema: you still didnt tell me when you have time to take a look at the rewrite? |
| 08:57 | I will work on it more now | |
| 08:57 | ashimema | there's more persona stuff in some files in /opac/svc |
| 08:57 | at the minute. I can't easily judge.. | |
| 08:57 | kivilahtio | but if we could agree on a datetime for a review, that would be aswesome |
| 08:58 | ashimema | I have sic months worth of back log for paying customers here at the minute :( |
| 08:58 | matts | We miss a modular auth stack in koha |
| 08:58 | kivilahtio | matts: working on it |
| 08:58 | ashimema: I understand | |
| 08:58 | matts | that's nice to hear :) |
| 08:58 | kivilahtio | matts: want to review my work? |
| 08:58 | ashimema | I'd say go for it kivi.. |
| 08:58 | kivilahtio | matts: it is stil WIP but I need people to support it so we have any hope of getting it pushed |
| 08:58 | ashimema | I'll dip in as often as I can to comment.. |
| 08:58 | matts | kivilahtio, sure, where is it ? |
| 08:58 | ashimema | matts, would be really good to get your input too ;) |
| 08:59 | kivilahtio | matts: It is a critical part of the REST API development to get a sane authentication framework for all the various ways of authenticating to Koha |
| 08:59 | http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7174 | |
| 08:59 | huginn` | 04Bug 7174: enhancement, P5 - low, ---, paul.poulain, NEW , Authentication rewriting |
| 08:59 | kivilahtio | matts: there is a gdoc link for my spec and some WIP commit for people to see where this is heading |
| 09:00 | matts | Okay, will look at it ! |
| 09:01 | cait | kivilahtio: thinking of apis.... |
| 09:01 | native Koha, CAS, LDAP, Shibboleth - also SIP, ILS-DI, svc | |
| 09:01 | are the ones that come to mind | |
| 09:02 | the way SIP does authenticate is nto very clean right now... i got a bug for that somewhere | |
| 09:03 | kivilahtio | cait: I dont think it really authenticates :) |
| 09:03 | atleast it doesnt persist the authentication | |
| 09:03 | ashimema | why persist it ;) |
| 09:03 | kivilahtio | the sip speficiation claims that each message can be a stand-alon message |
| 09:04 | so we get the authentication information on each message that reasonably needs authentication | |
| 09:04 | ashimema | that's exactly what REST is all about too kivi |
| 09:04 | auth with every request.. | |
| 09:04 | kivilahtio | ashimema: yes I understand, but we need to support the CGISESSID as well |
| 09:04 | so normal Koha-users can benefit from it | |
| 09:04 | ashimema | and in fact.. anyone that tells you cookies means this isn't the case doesn't understand this stuff either ;) |
| 09:04 | kivilahtio | it doesn't make it any more non-REST |
| 09:05 | ashimema | cookies.. get sent with every request.. thus.. they are sending all authentication detail with every request.. thus they are prefectly restful |
| 09:05 | kivilahtio | not sure if we agree or disagree |
| 09:05 | ashimema | they're onyl not restfull if you store stuff like search history in them.. |
| 09:05 | kivilahtio | ashimema: thanks for clairification ,we agreee |
| 09:05 | ashimema | temporary variale that are only setup for a shorter period of time. |
| 09:06 | :) | |
| 09:06 | So.. in effect SIP is jsut RESTful in nature.. | |
| 09:06 | it sends auth details with every request. | |
| 09:06 | kivilahtio | every request needig auth |
| 09:06 | ashimema | right.. back to auth.. |
| 09:07 | kivilahtio | well I'll just keep working on it |
| 09:07 | its very interesting :) | |
| 09:07 | PAM for Koha :) | |
| 09:07 | ashimema | ooh.. are you a PAM man? |
| 09:07 | cait | PAM? |
| 09:08 | kivilahtio | ashimema: nope |
| 09:08 | ashimema | Linux Pluggable Authentication Modules |
| 09:08 | kivilahtio | I hate linux PAM |
| 09:08 | ashimema | lol.. |
| 09:08 | kivilahtio | well I have no clue how to use it and I am not going to replicate it for Koha |
| 09:08 | ashimema | basically cait, pam is a standardised API that apps in linux can hand off to for authentication.. |
| 09:08 | kivilahtio | but the Idea is to have authentication subroutines, but they wont need configuring :) |
| 09:09 | "convetion over configuration" | |
| 09:09 | ashimema | there are standard pam modules for all sorts of things.. and basically the api is as simple as.. |
| 09:09 | is x authenticated? yes/no | |
| 09:11 | cait | ok |
| 09:11 | ashimema | kivi.. what you likely need for a central auth module is a sub 'authenticate' which accepts username:password:other_hashref |
| 09:11 | with a simple yes/no as the response | |
| 09:14 | set_userenv is non-restful.. though I actually have no issue with using such caches.. they just need to be transparent from the client. | |
| 09:15 | your last step.. Check if haspermission.. | |
| 09:15 | that would actually be far better factored out. | |
| 09:15 | i.e. | |
| 09:16 | if one just needs auth.. then check_auth should be the one way to get it.. | |
| 09:17 | if one needs a particular permissions.. then a check_perm($permission) should be the definative call (and it may well call check_auth internally as the first step ;) ) | |
| 09:18 | I'd like a fallback path written into a re-write too.. | |
| 09:18 | so.. at the moment.. koha says.. 'if CAS enabled try CAS, if LDAP enabled, try LDAP, try Loca.. | |
| 09:19 | woudl be better to be able to make this explicit.. | |
| 09:19 | Try CAS, then LDAP, then Local.. | |
| 09:19 | Try LDAP, Never fallback to Local.. | |
| 09:19 | etc. etc | |
| 09:19 | matts | yep, and be able to define an order would be nice |
| 09:20 | kivilahtio | ashimema: my modifications ai to be 100% backwards compatible. So we can rewrite portions in steps |
| 09:20 | see the _check_version for ex. | |
| 09:20 | sorry, need to review a press release :) | |
| 09:20 | ashimema | all good |
| 09:21 | kivilahtio | I'll make it better today, I got some nice ideas this weekend I am eager to put into practice |
| 09:21 | * magnuse | cheers kivilahtio on |
| 09:25 | ashimema | I really like the way https://metacpan.org/pod/Mojol[…]n::Authentication and https://metacpan.org/pod/Mojol[…]in::Authorization are laid out |
| 09:25 | I'm reasonably confident they could be used for inspiration ;) | |
| 09:26 | kivilahtio | ashimema: thanks, I'll take a look |
| 09:26 | ashimema | I've used the authentication one as an inspiration for writing my own.. and I use the Authorization one out of the box ;) |
| 09:26 | kivilahtio | ashimema: lucky me I already had to go to significatn depths on how Mojolicious works to make logging work and extend pluginss |
| 09:26 | ashimema | basically.. they just allow one to plug on routine to do the actual authentication and authorization.. but they give a nice framework for holding it all together |
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| 09:35 | vfernandes | hi guys |
| 09:35 | problem in Koha 3.20.1 | |
| 09:35 | when adding categories : DBD::mysql::st execute failed: Incorrect date value: '' for column 'enrolmentperioddate' at row 1 at /KEEPS/koha/intranet/cgi-bin/admin/categorie.pl | |
| 09:38 | magnuse | vfernandes: i can't reproduce... |
| 09:38 | vfernandes | if I fill the enrolmentperioddate : DBD::mysql::st execute failed: Incorrect integer value: '' for column 'enrolmentperiod' at row 1 at /KEEPS/koha/intranet/cgi-bin/admin/categorie.pl |
| 09:39 | the enrolmentperiod and enrolmentperioddate can be NULL in the database | |
| 09:43 | cait | vfernandes: what are you doing to trigger the errror? |
| 09:43 | ah sorry, missed that | |
| 09:43 | .... when adding categories | |
| 09:44 | vfernandes | i'm adding a categorie with a defined period time of 12 months (for example) |
| 09:44 | cait | hm yeah that shoudl work |
| 09:44 | magnuse: but works for you? | |
| 09:44 | vfernandes | but I get the following error in the logs : DBD::mysql::st execute failed: Incorrect date value: '' for column 'enrolmentperioddate' at row 1 at /KEEPS/koha/intranet/cgi-bin/admin/categorie.pl |
| 09:45 | cait | did you just update? |
| 09:45 | translated templates or english templates? | |
| 09:45 | vfernandes | english templates |
| 09:45 | fresh install | |
| 09:46 | cait | hm |
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| 09:48 | cait | wonder if it could be a difference between updated/new installation |
| 09:49 | vfernandes | I don't know... this is the first time I've installed a version up than 3.16 |
| 09:54 | cait | vfernandes: maybe best to file a bug report |
| 09:54 | worht noting it's a fresh installation | |
| 09:56 | rangi | i cant reproduce either |
| 09:56 | on a fresh install | |
| 09:56 | and on one upgraded from 3.20.0 | |
| 09:57 | cait | heya rangi |
| 10:02 | drojf | vfernandes: do you try it in the english version or translated? |
| 10:03 | oh you said english templates, sorry | |
| 10:03 | vfernandes | english version |
| 10:04 | "An error occurred when inserting this patron category. The patron category might already exist." this is the error on the interface | |
| 10:04 | i've tried on Firefox and Chrome | |
| 10:05 | drojf | can't reproduce |
| 10:05 | vfernandes | could be something related to SO version or Perl version? |
| 10:06 | debian 7, perl 5.14.2 | |
| 10:07 | drojf | i have the same. it is an upgraded installation (from 3.18) though |
| 10:10 | pastebot | "vfernandes" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "Code of categories.pl" (33 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/162 |
| 10:10 | vfernandes | looking at the code I don't see where the problem is |
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| 10:11 | vfernandes | $input->param("enrolmentperioddate") = '' if enrolmentperioddate is not filled |
| 10:12 | I think I know what it is... | |
| 10:13 | MySQL doesn't have an option to controll empty values? | |
| 10:15 | drojf | do you mean it has to be NULL, not ''? |
| 10:16 | vfernandes | STRICT_TRANS_TABLES |
| 10:18 | MySQL documentation : "If a value could not be inserted as given into a transactional table, abort the statement. For a nontransactional table, abort the statement if the value occurs in a single-row statement or the first row of a multiple-row statement. More details are given later in this section." | |
| 10:18 | removing that option it works :D | |
| 10:21 | thanks magnuse, cait, rangi and drojf | |
| 10:23 | kivilahtio | vfernandes: I am happy you found your solution |
| 10:24 | sounds like a very hard to debug thing | |
| 10:28 | vfernandes | kivilahtio: if the code was working for rangi and for drojf, the problem only could be software related (perl, MySQL, etc...) |
| 10:30 | then I've remembered that MySQL has mecanisms to block inserts with incorrect values... the option STRICT_TRANS_TABLES is responsible to that block ('' (empty string) is not a valid date, '' is not a valid number...) | |
| 10:31 | cait | vfernandes: sounds like soething we still should fix properly :) |
| 10:33 | vfernandes | cait: the control of the data inserted could be done by the software code or by the database... Usually it's done by the software code, but in some MySQL installations the option STRICT_TRANS_TABLES comes as default |
| 10:34 | drojf | vfernandes: does it work when you use $input->param("enrolmentperioddate") = 'NULL' if enrolmentperioddate is not filled |
| 10:34 | ? | |
| 10:35 | cait | bbiab |
| 10:35 | vfernandes | drojf : I didn't tried to change the code, because disable that option worked for me |
| 10:36 | drojf | vfernandes: where do you set it? in my.cnf? |
| 10:37 | vfernandes | yes |
| 10:39 | drojf | "after 5.6, the server default will include STRICT_TRANS_TABLES." that should be fixed properly :) |
| 10:41 | marcelr | hi drojf: hope your monday is better :) |
| 10:42 | drojf | hi marcelr :) |
| 10:42 | it's ok so far ;) | |
| 10:59 | vfernandes | can anyone help me configuring koha public Z39.50 server? |
| 10:59 | http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]s_a_Z39.50_server | |
| 11:00 | i've uncommented the lines refered in that wiki and i've restarted zebra server | |
| 11:00 | <listen id="publicserver">tcp:@:210</listen> | |
| 11:03 | when trying to access the Z39.50 with yaz-client (yaz-client -c /KEEPS/koha/etc/zebradb/ccl.properties localhost:210/biblios) I get the following error: | |
| 11:03 | Connecting...error = System (lower-layer) error: Connection refused | |
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| 11:12 | drojf | vfernandes: does your network/ server actually allow to use such a low port? have you tried 9998 or something? |
| 11:12 | vfernandes | let me try |
| 11:14 | with 9999 I've the same problem | |
| 11:14 | I think this is a server configuration problem | |
| 11:16 | drojf | it may not be reachable at all from the outside due to firewall or something |
| 11:16 | oh but you tried localhost so that should not be it :) | |
| 11:16 | vfernandes | how to pass username/password? |
| 11:18 | drojf | man yaz-client (aka i don't know :) ) |
| 11:32 | vfernandes | <listen id="publicserver">tcp:localhost:9999</listen> it works, <listen id="publicserver">tcp:@:9999</listen> not |
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| 11:40 | AuroraSkywalker | Hi I'm trying to install koha, on Debian. Followed the instructions but nothing is showing up at the domain it is suppose to. Can't really find any troubleshooting links. Tried to install stable, using local mysql. When I check to see if service koha-common status it returns Loaded: loaded (/etc/init.d/koha-common) |
| 11:40 | Active: active (exited) since Mon 2015-06-29 06:09:27 CDT; 17min ago | |
| 11:43 | Now it has some fatal issue when I restarted the process, at least it is showing an error now. | |
| 11:46 | magnuse | AuroraSkywalker: did you create an instance? |
| 11:47 | AuroraSkywalker | Yes, though I haven't configured mysql yet I usually do that when the page shows up |
| 11:48 | I think maybe I got something wrong in the config file. I don't know I'm trying to look at my logs to see if it says anything | |
| 11:48 | Thanks for replying | |
| 11:48 | magnuse | http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]e_a_Koha_instance |
| 11:48 | can you paste the config file? | |
| 11:48 | paste? | |
| 11:48 | wahanui | I eat paste! It's tasty! http://paste.koha-community.org |
| 11:49 | AuroraSkywalker | sure one sec |
| 11:49 | magnuse | (not koha-conf.xml, but the one you gave to --configfile) |
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| 11:50 | magnuse | (or the default one) |
| 11:54 | pastebot | "AuroraSkywalker" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "koha config" (61 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/163 |
| 11:55 | AuroraSkywalker | the only things I changed were the domain and the defaultsql |
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| 11:59 | AuroraSkywalker | when I look at the system status it says something like thearchives-koha-zebra: fatal: failed to become a deamon: Resource temporarily unavaliable |
| 12:06 | I'm getting a bunch of mails from cron about the mysql database, guess it probably wants one set up before the program will even load the page. I'll try that and see if I can make any progress. | |
| 12:07 | pastebot | "AuroraSkywalker" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "cron messages" (162 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/164 |
| 12:07 | drojf | the comment for the serials table is "patron's opac search history"? that does not seem right :) |
| 12:11 | AuroraSkywalker | ok |
| 12:18 | magnuse | AuroraSkywalker: DEFAULTSQL="mysql" |
| 12:18 | do you have a file called "mysql"? | |
| 12:19 | looks like the database is empty | |
| 12:19 | AuroraSkywalker | no I thought that's what it needed for a mysql config. I removed it so its back to default. No more errors but it's still not there. |
| 12:23 | magnuse | AuroraSkywalker: do you get the "it works" page or just nothing? |
| 12:24 | is dns set up correctly? | |
| 12:24 | * magnuse | gotta go afk for a bit |
| 12:29 | AuroraSkywalker | No I go to the page and it says something like err_name_not_resolved. May be the DNS settings I will look into that. Thanks |
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| 12:35 | AuroraSkywalker | I'm going to troublshoot this more later. Thanks for your help so far. |
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| 12:35 | tcohen | morning! |
| 12:40 | kivilahtio | matts: Are you M.Tompsett? |
| 12:40 | matts | kivilahtio, nope, I'm not. I'm Matthias Meusburger |
| 12:41 | kivilahtio | ok, I wonder who M.Tompsett is |
| 12:41 | matts | kivilahtio, http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/IRC_Regulars :) |
| 12:41 | kivilahtio | thanks |
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| 12:43 | cait | tcohen: morning! |
| 12:44 | tcohen | hi cait! |
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| 12:58 | magnuse | hiya nengard and tcohen |
| 12:58 | nengard | morning magnuse |
| 12:59 | tcohen | hi magnuse nengard |
| 12:59 | magnuse | nengard: new colours? |
| 12:59 | marcelr | hi tcohen |
| 13:00 | tcohen | hey marcelr |
| 13:00 | wahanui | marcelr is, like, talking with tcohen about it |
| 13:00 | marcelr | lol |
| 13:00 | tcohen | heh |
| 13:00 | what was that supposed to be about? | |
| 13:00 | marcelr | bug 6874 probably |
| 13:00 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6874 enhancement, P3, ---, julian.maurice, Passed QA , Attach a file to a MARC record (Was: File upload in MARC) |
| 13:00 | tcohen | ah, yes |
| 13:00 | it is next on my list | |
| 13:01 | marcelr | i found a third upload mechanism too in picture-upload |
| 13:01 | we really should have one uploader | |
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| 13:02 | nengard | magnuse? |
| 13:02 | wahanui | magnuse is a Norwegian giant. |
| 13:02 | tcohen | well, picture-upload should be a REST webservice |
| 13:03 | nengard | you mean my hair? actually that's a pic from a couple months ago - but I do have new colors now :) hehe |
| 13:03 | tcohen | paul_p: hea misses to show library type and country distribution |
| 13:04 | paul_p | hi tcohen. |
| 13:04 | tcohen | hi :-D |
| 13:04 | paul_p | tcohen yep, that can/will be a future improvement. |
| 13:04 | (if only days had 40 or 45 hours...) | |
| 13:04 | * tcohen | was excited to add his recently moved to 3.20 libraries |
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| 13:20 | magnuse | nengard: ah, kewl anyways! |
| 13:23 | nengard | :) |
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| 13:23 | magnuse | @wunder boo |
| 13:23 | huginn` | magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 11.0°C (2:50 PM CEST on June 29, 2015). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 62%. Dew Point: 4.0°C. Pressure: 29.98 in 1015 hPa (Steady). |
| 13:23 | magnuse | ooh, double digits! |
| 13:23 | nengard | @wunder 78754 |
| 13:23 | huginn` | nengard: The current temperature in University Hills, Austin, Texas is 24.4°C (8:23 AM CDT on June 29, 2015). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 99%. Dew Point: 24.0°C. Pressure: 30.04 in 1017 hPa (Steady). |
| 13:24 | magnuse | whi knew such a thing was possible... |
| 13:24 | nengard | LOL |
| 13:24 | magnuse | @wunder marseille |
| 13:24 | huginn` | magnuse: The current temperature in Marseille / Marignane, France is 30.0°C (3:00 PM CEST on June 29, 2015). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 32%. Dew Point: 16.0°C. Pressure: 30.08 in 1018 hPa (Falling). |
| 13:24 | nengard | wow!! warmer than here |
| 13:24 | that's surprising | |
| 13:24 | magnuse | marseille can get real hot, apparently |
| 13:24 | * magnuse | has only been there in early spring, thanks goodness |
| 13:24 | nengard | ditto for me |
| 13:29 | drojf | @wunder berlin, germany |
| 13:29 | huginn` | drojf: The current temperature in Berlin Tegel, Germany is 26.0°C (3:20 PM CEST on June 29, 2015). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 34%. Dew Point: 9.0°C. Pressure: 30.09 in 1019 hPa (Steady). |
| 13:29 | drojf | huh. i should leave the house from time to time |
| 13:36 | * magnuse | wanders off to barbeque som whale |
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| 13:52 | tcohen | @later tell marcelr would you agree the feature should be renamed "Attach files to biblio records"? |
| 13:52 | huginn` | tcohen: The operation succeeded. |
| 14:01 | druthb | @wunder 77098 |
| 14:01 | huginn` | druthb: The current temperature in Montrose (Mandell Place), Houston, Texas is 27.8°C (9:01 AM CDT on June 29, 2015). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 85%. Dew Point: 25.0°C. Pressure: 30.02 in 1016 hPa (Falling). |
| 14:02 | druthb | Muggy now, soupy later. |
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| 15:08 | pianohacker | hallo |
| 15:09 | cait | hi pianohacker |
| 15:11 | kivilahtio | hi tehre! |
| 15:13 | khall | @later tell joubu can I get your feedback on bug 9011? |
| 15:13 | huginn` | khall: The operation succeeded. |
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| 16:06 | reiveune | bye |
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| 16:13 | kivilahtio | pianohacker: ashimema: matts_away: magnuse: care to take a new look at Bug 7174? Is it pfft again? This time I remembered to include all new files.. I hope. |
| 16:13 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7174 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, paul.poulain, NEW , Authentication rewriting |
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| 16:30 | AmitG | @bug 14472 |
| 16:30 | huginn` | AmitG: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=14472 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, amitddng135, Needs Signoff , Wrong ISSN search index in record matching rules |
| 16:36 | gaetan_B | bye |
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| 17:36 | * magnuse | gives the evening wave |
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| 20:03 | indradg | kia ora #koha |
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| 20:24 | rangi | i saw a lot of rewrite discussion last night |
| 20:25 | ill just leave this here | |
| 20:25 | http://blog.bigballofwax.co.nz[…]no-not-like-that/ | |
| 20:30 | * cait | grumps about keeping things simple ;) |
| 20:41 | drojf | @wunder berlin, germany |
| 20:41 | huginn` | drojf: The current temperature in Berlin Tegel, Germany is 22.0°C (10:20 PM CEST on June 29, 2015). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 53%. Dew Point: 12.0°C. Pressure: 30.12 in 1020 hPa (Rising). |
| 21:45 | drojf | i did not pay attention to my balkony for a few days and now i have 2m long raspberry shoots growing all over the place :) |
| 21:45 | balcony even | |
| 21:45 | rangi | heh |
| 21:46 | cait | be careful, they can be mean :) |
| 21:46 | drojf | first koha on a raspberry bush would be awesome |
| 21:47 | rangi | heh |
| 21:47 | cait | night :) |
| 21:47 | rangi | cya cait |
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| 21:47 | drojf | too fast for me |
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| 21:55 | drojf | so i bothered the national library about their SRU server config and in the end the problem was that koha eats the tilde you have to use to provide an access token in the base url. it has to be encoded as %7e and apparently it worked without that in earlier versions |
| 21:55 | but i learned a lot ;) | |
| 21:55 | rangi | interesting |
| 21:55 | wahanui | rumour has it interesting is sometimes good and sometimes bad |
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| 21:58 | drojf | did not help that yaz-client works out of the box for loc and gbv (german library network) but not for them. i should have read more on ZOOM before having funny ideas :P |
| 22:04 | eythian | hi |
| 22:04 | wahanui | what's up, eythian |
| 22:05 | drojf | hi eythian |
| 22:06 | pianohacker | hi eythian |
| 22:06 | drojf | has there been any info on the thessaloniki bid for kohacon 2016 or did they just sneak it into thew wiki? |
| 22:07 | *the | |
| 22:08 | rangi | they are working on a full website to go with the wiki bit |
| 22:08 | probably a bit distracted at the moment though | |
| 22:09 | drojf | yeah i can imagine. i'd be happy to help rebuild the country with a visit to kohacon ;) |
| 22:10 | rangi | exactly |
| 22:10 | take money, spend it with local businesses | |
| 22:10 | kick any bankers you see | |
| 22:10 | :) | |
| 22:10 | drojf | hehe |
| 22:12 | pianohacker | rangi: ot, but do you know of any documentation on how to use xgettext.pl (or something else, if I'm barking up the wrong tree) to generate a starting .po file? I'm working on bug 4503 |
| 22:12 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4503 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, frederic, NEW , Javascript files in js directory are not translated |
| 22:12 | rangi | the person i would ask is bernardo |
| 22:13 | pianohacker | okay, thanks. |
| 22:13 | rangi | do you have his email? |
| 22:15 | pianohacker | kk, will do, thanks guys |
| 22:15 | drojf | oh too slow |
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| 22:17 | drojf | 36°C on saturday. meh |
| 22:17 | rangi | thats pretty warm |
| 22:17 | drojf | lol exactly |
| 22:17 | i found 26°C today to be pretty warm | |
| 22:17 | 10 more will be horrible | |
| 22:18 | rangi | any wind with it? |
| 22:19 | drojf | we'll see. probably humid and sticky |
| 22:19 | and no wind at all | |
| 22:19 | rangi | yuck |
| 22:20 | drojf | i should have bought more of that buckwheat beer |
| 22:23 | cdickinson | @wunder nzwn |
| 22:23 | huginn` | cdickinson: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 11.0°C (10:00 AM NZST on June 30, 2015). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 76%. Dew Point: 7.0°C. Pressure: 29.98 in 1015 hPa (Steady). |
| 22:23 | cdickinson | it's actually pretty nice today here |
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| 22:32 | drojf | 11° sounds alright, i'd like that too right now |
| 22:35 | rangi | yeah blue skies |
| 22:35 | quite a nice day | |
| 22:37 | eythian | sounds like you've got yourself a project then :) |
| 22:37 | rangi | nice! |
| 22:40 | pianohacker | teaching intro computer science is a lot of fun :) |
| 22:40 | and on that note, I have to leave to do just that | |
| 22:40 | rangi | cya later pianohacker |
| 22:42 | eythian | yeah, teaching is pretty good. Makes you get all your thoughts in order, to start with. |
| 22:45 | drojf | i could use that from time to time ;) |
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| 22:46 | * drojf | drinks an ouzo… to the people in greece |
| 22:49 | eythian | so you're taking their booze from them? That's pretty terrible! ;) |
| 22:51 | drojf | no, i'm choosing their booze over german booze, to weaken our economy in solidarity :P |
| 22:52 | rangi | :) |
| 22:52 | whats the closest german drink to ouzo? | |
| 22:52 | wizzyrea | ^ this question is relevant to my interests. |
| 22:52 | drojf | kaloyiannis-koutsikos distilleries, 1st industrial zone of volos, 68e. that's a fantastic address |
| 22:53 | probably küstennebel | |
| 22:53 | eythian | like Germany makes something other than beer. |
| 22:53 | drojf | küstennebel is star anise liquor |
| 22:54 | i have not even thought about that in ages | |
| 22:57 | mtj | hey #koha |
| 22:57 | i too am interested ^ | |
| 22:58 | drojf | http://www.behn.de/en/brands/anis/ |
| 22:59 | not very much information ;) | |
| 23:00 | mtj | ..off topic, how about this for a poss. Koha feature... checking for valid UTF when saving stuff? |
| 23:01 | wizzyrea | that seems on-topic to me. |
| 23:01 | drojf | as a cosy complement to beer. lol. germans |
| 23:05 | mtj | rangi, eythian. im hoping to start adding Koha::Cache to the holidays code, later this week |
| 23:05 | eythian | sweet |
| 23:05 | rangi | excellent |
| 23:05 | eythian | mtj: I think input validation everywhere possible is always a good thing, all the time, ever. |
| 23:07 | mtj | thanks for the brainslap, btw :0) |
| 23:08 | eythian: i think the utf 'feature' might drive some users crazy... but hey | |
| 23:11 | eythian | mtj: it's better than invalid data getting in which causes strange explosions in 6 months time. |
| 23:15 | mtj | agreed :) |
| 23:21 | drojf | good night #koha |
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| 23:28 | rangi | http://en.lodlive.it/ |
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| 23:42 | eythian | http://spendyourleapsecondhere.com/ |
| 23:42 | rangi | heh |
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