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| 00:02 | dcook joined #koha | |
| 02:27 | eythian | quiet day here today |
| 02:29 | dcook | Yarp |
| 02:29 | tis a Dspace day pour moi | |
| 02:31 | eythian | pour you indeed. |
| 02:33 | dcook | hehe |
| 02:34 | I'd love to get done my DSpace work so that I can do more Koha work... | |
| 02:34 | Specifically that OAI harvester | |
| 02:36 | I wish DSpace did tags for individual releases and not just the branch.. | |
| 02:36 | Wait a tick | |
| 02:36 | They do and I'm just stupid | |
| 02:36 | :p | |
| 02:36 | Must just be overly hungry | |
| 02:37 | eythian | holy carp, ES searching on the staff client just worked. |
| 02:37 | that's a surprise. | |
| 02:39 | dcook | \o/ |
| 02:39 | eythian | hmm, though my query parsing doesn't understand a few things that the staff client does |
| 02:39 | like su,complete-subfield:{Courts} | |
| 02:42 | dcook | O_o |
| 02:42 | Wazzat? | |
| 02:43 | eythian | if you view a record in the staff client, and click on a subject, that's what the query is. |
| 02:43 | @wunder nzwn | |
| 02:43 | huginn` | eythian: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 17.0°C (2:00 PM NZST on May 13, 2015). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 72%. Dew Point: 12.0°C. Pressure: 29.68 in 1005 hPa (Steady). |
| 02:43 | eythian | heh mostly cloudy |
| 02:43 | wizzyrea | yeah, it's leaving off the fact that the clouds are falling out of the sky. |
| 02:44 | dcook | Huh... that seems special |
| 02:44 | I wonder where the { } come into the picture | |
| 02:44 | clouds are falling out of the sky? | |
| 02:44 | @wunder syd | |
| 02:44 | huginn` | dcook: The current temperature in Sydney, New South Wales is 16.0°C (12:30 PM AEST on May 13, 2015). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 27%. Dew Point: -3.0°C. Pressure: 29.98 in 1015 hPa (Falling). |
| 02:45 | dcook | Hmm, that's probably about right.. |
| 02:45 | eythian | dcook: I've seen it elsewhere, I just transmogrify them into " |
| 02:46 | but my stuff isn't converting it into something that ES can understand like it should. | |
| 02:46 | wizzyrea | (it's raining) |
| 02:47 | eythian | I think because it doesn't know what complete-subfield is |
| 02:48 | wizzyrea | TAB BANKRUPTCY |
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| 02:48 | dcook | TAB BANKRUPTCY? |
| 02:49 | yo tcohen | |
| 02:49 | eythian: I seem to recall {} meaning something to Zebra, but I don't know if we need them | |
| 02:49 | I think they are escape characters? | |
| 02:49 | Hehe. Just did this query: "indexdata zebra escape" | |
| 02:50 | http://www.indexdata.com/zebra[…]erymodel-rpn.html | |
| 02:50 | "Escaping PQF keywords and other non-parseable XPath constructs with '{ }' to prevent client-side PQF parsing syntax errors:" | |
| 02:50 | I want to say there is another reference somewhere.. | |
| 02:51 | eythian | ah right, that makes sense |
| 02:52 | wizzyrea | it's when you give up on having tabs and close them all out of irritation |
| 02:52 | dcook | Ahh, I thought you meant TAB... like the gambling folk |
| 02:52 | eythian | yeah, I have 315 tabs open at the moment, I ought to do that. |
| 02:52 | wizzyrea | hah! no |
| 02:52 | 315, that is excessive. | |
| 02:53 | eythian | they just pile up |
| 02:53 | wizzyrea | I think I had 50 and that was too many. |
| 02:53 | it's when I have 10+ different koha intranets open and all I see up there is [K} | |
| 02:53 | dcook | eythian: http://www.theguardian.com/wor[…]ls-police-belgium |
| 02:53 | wizzyrea | [K] |
| 02:53 | eythian | 316 now |
| 02:53 | thanks dcook | |
| 02:54 | wizzyrea | hahaha |
| 02:54 | dcook | hehe |
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| 02:55 | eythian | https://twitter.com/AidaDeMol/[…]89074445089767424 <-- ahahaha |
| 02:55 | "Police run over 1 of the 3 zebras" | |
| 02:56 | wizzyrea | lool |
| 02:57 | dcook | Hmm, I'm not convinced that curly braces actually do anything 99% of the time |
| 02:57 | hehe | |
| 02:57 | eythian | it seems that they allow things inside them that would cause syntax errors elsewhere. |
| 02:57 | wahanui: zebra | |
| 02:57 | wahanui | well, zebra is a fielded free text indexing and retrieval engine with a Z39.50 front-end. You can use any compatible, commercial, or freeware Z39.50 client to access data stored in Zebra. or the search engine koha uses |
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| 02:58 | eythian | wahanui: zebra is also loose in Brussels |
| 02:58 | wahanui | okay, eythian. |
| 02:58 | dcook | I guess you might have a subject with a reserved character yeah. |
| 03:00 | Hmm... although I'm not actually seeing that in practice.. | |
| 03:01 | Hmm... those special characters look like they're being stripped out by the tokenizer anyway.. | |
| 03:01 | * dcook | shrugs |
| 03:01 | dcook | Back to DSpace |
| 03:01 | And maybe lunch.. | |
| 03:05 | eythian | https://youtu.be/3YLxGFLpOl0 <-- neat |
| 03:07 | https://owncloud.kallisti.net.[…]s/AmldEDANL0nEpl3 <-- dcook, this might interest you. | |
| 03:08 | wizzyrea | that *is* neat |
| 03:09 | eythian | dcook: I recommend starting with Scree::Transmissions |
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| 03:09 | eythian | err |
| 03:10 | Scree:Transmissions | |
| 03:11 | dcook | eythian: What's that? :S |
| 03:12 | Music? | |
| 03:12 | wahanui | Music is fine :) |
| 03:12 | eythian | it's a (now non-existant I think) NZ band that I quite like. |
| 03:12 | and just remembered now when poking through my music | |
| 03:12 | dcook | Cool. I'll make a reminder to check it out when I'm at home |
| 03:12 | Ah, apparently they're on Spotify as ewll | |
| 03:12 | well* | |
| 03:13 | Hmm, I wonder how good Spotify is with obscure French Canadian stuff.. | |
| 03:13 | Starting Scree:Transmissions now | |
| 03:13 | Dang, they seem to have everything... | |
| 03:14 | No wonder they spent over 800 million on royalties last year | |
| 03:18 | Now let's see if I can remember the band that did cover versions of Nino Ferrer's songs.. | |
| 03:19 | eythian | damn, I'm going to have to add a bit more intelligence to this string processor to handle multi-part freeform index specifications. |
| 03:19 | rats | |
| 03:24 | dcook | Oh... listening to this song is not making my hunger go away : http://www.musicme.com/The-Nin[…]hons-t119926.html |
| 03:24 | Yes, it's a song about pickles. Well, and other food. | |
| 03:24 | I think it's catchy though :P | |
| 03:25 | eythian | Give peas a chance. |
| 03:25 | dcook | :p |
| 03:28 | Ok, hunger is going to great a problem | |
| 03:28 | bbiab | |
| 03:31 | * eythian | cheats and just removes anything after a , in this context. If you need that, use the query parameter that's there for that purpose. |
| 03:31 | eythian | (until all this is replaced with a real query parser anyway.) |
| 03:37 | wizzyrea | cheater. Cheater. |
| 03:37 | j/k you're lovely, you're awesome. don't change. | |
| 03:40 | eythian | This is a sacrifice I'm willing to make, the only real way of fixing it would be to build a parser, and screw doing that right now :) |
| 03:41 | * wizzyrea | imagines you like an aztec on a pyramid sacrificing everything after commas to the gods of elasticsearch |
| 03:41 | wizzyrea | maybe with a little crazy eye |
| 03:41 | eythian | haha |
| 04:02 | mtompset | Have a great day, eythian wizzyrea dcook #koha. :) |
| 04:21 | dcook | I do like DSpace's overlay setup |
| 04:21 | You can copy the source of files you want to customize into a different path | |
| 04:22 | Then when it's built, it'll use your customized overlay version rather than the release's version | |
| 04:22 | Of course, it doesn't help if you modify the built files and don't remember to put them back in version control | |
| 04:22 | * dcook | is glad he doesn't have to deal with that right now |
| 04:22 | dcook | I think I mentioned recently that Git is the best? |
| 04:24 | eythian | hmm, the problem with that is that if the original files are changed in an update, you've got no tracking of your own versions. |
| 04:24 | dcook | Hmm? |
| 04:24 | Ah, yeah | |
| 04:25 | You have to be pretty careful with updates | |
| 04:25 | I'm upgrading someone from 4.0 to 4.3 right now | |
| 04:25 | So I can copy over the existing overlays from 4.0, but I have to vet them against the updated versions before actually building :/ | |
| 04:26 | But then I'm just diffing files between the release path and the overlay path | |
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| 05:32 | dcook | And... now it's raining |
| 05:32 | @wunder syd | |
| 05:32 | huginn` | dcook: The current temperature in Sydney, New South Wales is 11.0°C (3:22 PM AEST on May 13, 2015). Conditions: Heavy Rain Showers. Humidity: 82%. Dew Point: 8.0°C. Pressure: 30.04 in 1017 hPa (Steady). |
| 05:32 | dcook | So much for "Clear" :p |
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| 06:02 | dcook | Huh... |
| 06:02 | Is tcohen really doing 3.22 as well? | |
| 06:03 | If so, major kudos to him | |
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| 06:07 | * magnuse | waves |
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| 06:41 | reiveune | hello |
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| 06:43 | magnuse | tcohen++ for the beta |
| 06:43 | bonjour reiveune | |
| 06:43 | @wunder boo | |
| 06:43 | huginn` | magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 7.0°C (8:20 AM CEST on May 13, 2015). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 100%. Dew Point: 7.0°C. Windchill: 5.0°C. Pressure: 29.56 in 1001 hPa (Steady). |
| 06:43 | magnuse | @wunder marseille |
| 06:43 | huginn` | magnuse: The current temperature in Realtor, CABRIES, France is 12.7°C (8:26 AM CEST on May 13, 2015). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 93%. Dew Point: 12.0°C. Pressure: 30.18 in 1022 hPa (Steady). |
| 06:44 | magnuse | ooh, coldish |
| 06:44 | reiveune | salut magnuse :) |
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| 06:54 | alex_a | hello |
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| 07:03 | sophie_m | hello #koha |
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| 07:10 | magnuse | huh? bugzilla is suddenly giving me the "Log in to Bugzilla" web page treatment... |
| 07:10 | s/bugzilla/git bz/ | |
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| 07:12 | dcook | Did you change password lately, magnuse? |
| 07:13 | magnuse | nope, but i did change my email :-) |
| 07:14 | dcook | That could do it? |
| 07:15 | Ooh that reminds me.. | |
| 07:16 | magnuse | yup, that was it |
| 07:16 | dcook++ | |
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| 07:18 | Viktor | Greetings #koha :) |
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| 07:19 | dcook | Hey Viktor and cait |
| 07:19 | magnuse: Hurray! | |
| 07:19 | magnuse | hiya cait and Viktor |
| 07:19 | i hear a rumour that Viktor will be promoting koha to lots of libraries today... | |
| 07:20 | Viktor | True magnuse. |
| 07:20 | But I sort of do that one or two times a week now :) | |
| 07:21 | We have a visit with 15 personson who are collecting info for a bigger meeting with the whole 49 "kommuner". | |
| 07:22 | They want to know what they can tell the other communities what Koha can do and what to expect from our project. | |
| 07:22 | magnuse | very cool |
| 07:22 | Viktor++ | |
| 07:22 | dcook | :D |
| 07:23 | Viktor | A double check: We have both hired programmers in house and consultants. Is it still frowned upon if consultants sign off on code from our in house people (and vice versa)? |
| 07:23 | magnuse | yeah, ideally it should be people from "different organizations" |
| 07:23 | Viktor | It feels a little on the verge since both have a common employer (being the project) |
| 07:24 | magnuse: Yes I had that feeling :) | |
| 07:24 | magnuse | "Preferably, patch writer and patch signer should not be from the same company or institution." http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]nt-patch_Workflow |
| 07:25 | it does say "Preferably"... | |
| 07:25 | but i think that is mostly for extreme cases, like if you are working on something like an API that only people in your org has access to | |
| 07:25 | but even then it is best if someone independent tests for regressions | |
| 07:27 | Viktor | magnuse: Perhaps if we do signoff between us but still leave it with "needs signoff" and a note that it's been written/tested by different companies but with the same emmployer. |
| 07:27 | ? | |
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| 07:28 | dcook | yeah, I think that seems reasonable |
| 07:28 | gaetan_B | hello |
| 07:28 | dcook | I think other people have done that |
| 07:28 | salut gaetan_B | |
| 07:28 | magnuse | Viktor: yeah, sounds like a good idea |
| 07:28 | Viktor | Then we could still catch problems early and have the code up publicly as fast as possible. |
| 07:28 | magnuse | yup |
| 07:28 | Viktor | Thanks dcook, magnuse. Think we'll go with that. |
| 07:28 | dcook | totally |
| 07:29 | The more testing and QA the better! | |
| 07:29 | Viktor | Indeed :) |
| 07:29 | dcook | Viktor: I really want to get that OAI code posted at some point so that folks can test it and tell me all the ways that it's horrible ;) |
| 07:29 | Alas, Koha is only one of three projects I have at the moment, and the other two are occupying more of my time these days | |
| 07:30 | * cait | waves |
| 07:30 | Viktor | dcook - Didn't you actually post it "as is" in the thread the other day? Have a feeling I saw a patch that I never had the time to check up on. |
| 07:30 | * Viktor | waves at cait |
| 07:31 | Viktor | dcook I can write much more horrible code then you ever could ;) |
| 07:32 | (or that patch might be confused with another discussion) | |
| 07:32 | cait | Viktor: in theory you could now - we changed the rules a bit - but the way magnuse suggested is my preference - the more sign offs the better :) |
| 07:32 | dcook | Viktor: Yeah, I did, but then Andreas Mace got in touch, so I've been thinking about trying to find some time to work on it again! |
| 07:33 | But I won't be working on Koha for the rest of the week, so... don't know | |
| 07:33 | DSpace eating up lots of time at the moment too.. | |
| 07:33 | In fact, I already should've left work 30 minutes ago! | |
| 07:33 | magnuse | bad DSpace |
| 07:34 | Viktor | cait: We'll test but leave it with "needs signoff" then. Better safe than sorry and it's no hurry yet for 3.22 :) Or at least I hope it's not :) |
| 07:34 | cait | i hope we can make some progress on the overdues devs soon |
| 07:34 | i am interested to see those moving :) | |
| 07:34 | magnuse | yay |
| 07:34 | cait | lots of good things out ther eactually, always lots to do |
| 07:36 | Viktor | dcook - I know there is funding for getting OAI done. And people that will be happy when it's finished :) Hope you can find the time to get it going again - much more efficient that you finish it. But I see how too much to do is a problem.. |
| 07:36 | magnuse | atheia++ for more work on the ill module |
| 07:36 | Viktor | cait: Are you referring to our overdue patches that inlibro is doing? |
| 07:37 | cait: I really, really, really need those and it's one of those things that would make me sleep better :) | |
| 07:38 | cait: I realized that testing those right was a bit of bother for me so I'm very happy to have better hackers at hand who need something to do :) | |
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| 07:42 | Viktor | I am a bit worried however. I know kivilahtio is doing dev that is touching the same files so I wonder how we should get things coordinated. |
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| 07:44 | drojf | morning #koha |
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| 07:45 | magnuse | Viktor: that is indeed an interesting question... |
| 07:45 | moin drojf | |
| 07:46 | Viktor | morning drojf |
| 07:46 | drojf | hei magnuse, hej Viktor |
| 07:47 | Viktor | magnuse: It is. And it worries me. I'm tempted to get the patches done as fast as we can and then yell "No regressions" :) |
| 07:48 | magnuse: But I know that his patch was creating a better infrastructure for the messages so that's not overly productive. | |
| 07:48 | magnuse | Viktor: that might be the only way to do it |
| 07:48 | or make kivi base his work on yours | |
| 07:48 | but then he gets more work if your patches need redoing to get through qa | |
| 07:50 | Viktor | magnuse: It might :) But I think kivi have his hands full and might abandon the issue if it becomes extra work. |
| 07:51 | Think I'll have to get everybody in touch with each other over email or something and plan how to solve this. | |
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| 07:56 | magnuse | Viktor: sounds good |
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| 08:18 | cait | Viktor: i think right now your patches are there, so we should work on those - for overdues |
| 08:19 | Viktor: i am not sure whta kivi plans, but the code hasn't hit us yet | |
| 08:20 | coordinating and talking to each other is of course the best way to solve it :) | |
| 08:25 | @later tell rangi could you take a look at bug 13196 for inclusion in 3.18? | |
| 08:25 | huginn` | cait: The operation succeeded. |
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| 08:40 | pablito | does anyone have some experience cataloging journal articles into koha? |
| 08:45 | cait | we have some libraries doing it - but they catalog with another software and then the data is imported into koha |
| 08:45 | maybe i can still help out a bit | |
| 08:45 | what's the question? | |
| 08:45 | wahanui | hmmm... the question is "What is the meaning of life, the universe and everything?" |
| 08:48 | cait | @later tell rangi - forget it - it's already in |
| 08:48 | huginn` | cait: The operation succeeded. |
| 08:50 | pablito | cait, we have over 100 printed journals in our library and I want to put the article titles, author etc. into koha |
| 08:50 | cait | what we do is having separate records for those |
| 08:50 | pablito | I already created biblios for these journals already |
| 08:51 | magnuse | pablito: do you know about analytics in koha? |
| 08:51 | cait | yeah, easyanalytics is one option |
| 08:51 | pablito | I have been reading about analytics, but it's not clear to me yet |
| 08:51 | ok | |
| 08:51 | magnuse | http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Analytics |
| 08:51 | cait | ah yes, that page is excellent |
| 08:51 | ashimema++ | |
| 08:53 | pablito | so can you explain a bit the overall process of putting article titles, etc into koha |
| 08:53 | ? | |
| 08:55 | maybe it's better if i give you my situation now | |
| 08:56 | I've already created serial biblios for the journals | |
| 08:57 | now in each serial biblio, I created multiple items to correspond to the articles of a journal | |
| 08:58 | magnuse | ah, that is probably not the way to do it |
| 08:58 | pablito | sorry, multiple items corresponding to the issues of a journal title |
| 08:58 | magnuse | yeah, that makes sense |
| 08:58 | then yoo catalogue the articles much the same way you catalog books | |
| 08:58 | with the title in 245a etc | |
| 09:02 | pablito | is there a sample MARC files somewhere that I can start with? |
| 09:05 | cait | pablito: we link journal to articles - not issue to article - if you want to do that you coud check the manual for the Easyanalytics feature |
| 09:05 | but yu have to decide for one way or the other, as they are exclusive | |
| 09:06 | look for 773 | |
| 09:07 | pablito | i see |
| 09:08 | cait | we are not using Easyanalytics - just keep in mind ther eare at least 2 different ways of doing things |
| 09:09 | pablito | ok |
| 09:09 | here's my library's catalog: http://libraryjerusalem.unisal[…]blionumber=183049 | |
| 09:09 | The journal is titled Concilium | |
| 09:09 | there are multiple issues of which I have assigned called number | |
| 09:11 | so when I create an article record, I will need to link it to the biblio of Concilium and indicate somehow what issue the article is located in | |
| 09:11 | cait | yeah, you put that in 773 |
| 09:11 | if you look at the lik above | |
| 09:12 | you can see that there is always an In: .<link to the journal> information about issue, pages year etc. | |
| 09:12 | that's from the 773 subfields | |
| 09:18 | pablito | ok, makes sense |
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| 09:21 | pablito | is Easyanalytics a program like MarcEdit? |
| 09:23 | where can I get Easyanalytics? | |
| 09:26 | drojf | easyanalytics is one way to do it in koha. it's not an external software |
| 09:27 | pablito | ah |
| 09:29 | drojf | one way as in "an alternative to what cait showed you" |
| 09:29 | that said, that's all i know about it, as i do it like it is done in cait's example | |
| 09:31 | xarragon | The 'kohaadmin' user created during setup, does it exist in the SQL database or is it hardcoded into the installation? |
| 09:38 | cait | xarragon: it's ot in the database, you can find the data about it in your koha-conf.xml |
| 09:38 | morning drojf, hi xarragon | |
| 09:38 | drojf | it's the database user. a mysql account. that is why you can't use it for regular librarian work |
| 09:39 | cait | :) |
| 09:39 | drojf explained it better | |
| 09:39 | drojf | oh did not see what cait said |
| 09:39 | it's basically the same ;) | |
| 09:39 | hi cait | |
| 09:39 | slef | magnuse: our afflicted user isn't seeing that problem since clearing their cache :-/ |
| 09:39 | magnuse: they said they'd already done that though, so iDunno | |
| 09:40 | morning everyone | |
| 09:40 | magnuse | kia ora slef |
| 09:40 | drojf | hi slef |
| 09:40 | slef | Welcome to chapter 198316951 of I hate MSIE |
| 09:40 | magnuse | hehe |
| 09:40 | i'll have another go at the cache then | |
| 09:40 | slef | I'll tell you any more details once I get them |
| 09:40 | xarragon | drojf: Ah, ok. Thanks. I saw some lines in C4::Auth about a 'superuser' and demo user, and database had no 'kohaadmin' entry. Thanks for the explanation. |
| 09:41 | cait | xarragon: that's why it's not recommended to use it for anything outside of running an update - it has no borrowernumber |
| 09:41 | no home library etc. | |
| 09:42 | so you shoudl always work inside koha with a real user | |
| 09:42 | if you see lines referring to superlibrarian that is the 'top' permission for admins - it means you can basically do everything | |
| 09:43 | xarragon | Yeah I noticed some things were a bit wobbly when using it. I have another user created, but right now I am just playing around learning stuff for a patch we're considering. |
| 09:43 | Sorry if this is basic stuff I could have read in the manual. | |
| 09:44 | Interesting design to use the SQL credentials as a default superuser/admin account though. Makes a lot of sense. | |
| 09:45 | cait | we are here to help |
| 09:45 | and i am not sure where that is fully documented myself | |
| 09:45 | xarragon | While I'm already harassing you, are Intranet users also stored in the 'borrowers' table? I can see no other place, and C4::Auth seems to be querying 'borrowers' primarily? |
| 09:45 | cait | yes |
| 09:45 | all user accoutns are stored in borrowers | |
| 09:46 | the difference is that intranet users have permissions - borrowers.flags and 2 separate tables are involved there | |
| 09:46 | so for testing what you normally do is crate a new patron of a staff patron category and give it the 'superlibrarian' permission | |
| 09:47 | it's the first thing that needs to be done after intalling a new koha usually - create a library, create a patron category, create your superlibrarian | |
| 10:12 | drojf | later #koha |
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| 10:46 | magnuse | wheee |
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| 10:52 | xarragon | Nothing feels better than messing directly via the SQL command line into a running Koha install, knowing graceful I usually am when I am hacking at stuff. |
| 10:53 | I prefer to think of the results as a 'learning experience'. | |
| 11:04 | magnuse | it makes you feel so alive ;-) |
| 11:06 | xarragon | And if it works I stand up, stretching my arms out, screaming "I AM INVINCIBLE!" etc. |
| 11:15 | Running a database application and web server on a 1.8" 4200 RPM laptop disk really is asking for slowness.. | |
| 11:19 | Got to love the 'superlibrarian' label.. I get an image in my mind of someone with a cape and close-fitting clothes. | |
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| 11:30 | magnuse | still a bit of snow left in the mountains http://www.vgtv.no/#!/video/11[…]gen-til-geiranger |
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| 12:30 | tcohen | morning |
| 12:31 | magnuse | hola tcohen |
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| 12:33 | tcohen | bravo julian! |
| 12:33 | magnuse | ? |
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| 12:36 | tcohen | bug 13799, comment 37 |
| 12:36 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=13799 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, julian.maurice, Needs Signoff , Add base for building RESTful API |
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| 12:38 | tcohen | jajm++ |
| 12:40 | jajm | :) |
| 12:40 | i hope it will help | |
| 12:40 | tcohen | it at least clears the path for the discussion on the implementation |
| 12:41 | and we can focus on architectural/design decisions | |
| 13:00 | magnuse | druthb! \o/ |
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| 13:07 | magnuse | talljoy! \o/ |
| 13:08 | druthb | magnuse: \o/ |
| 13:08 | magnuse | :-) |
| 13:09 | imagine supporting koha only on customer's servers, and having to deal with umpteen different ways of doing security etc... | |
| 13:10 | barton | druthb: \o/ |
| 13:10 | magnuse | barton \o/ |
| 13:11 | barton | owait, that's been said already. |
| 13:11 | owell. druthb deserves two waves :-) | |
| 13:12 | druthb | druthb? |
| 13:12 | wahanui | you are an amazing person |
| 13:12 | druthb | bah |
| 13:14 | magnuse | in norway we have a saying that you will hear the truth from small children and drunk people. i will be proposing an amendment to make it small children, drunk people and irc bots |
| 13:15 | drojf | druthb! |
| 13:16 | talljoy | hi magnuse! |
| 13:16 | hi druthb! | |
| 13:19 | magnuse | hi JesseM! |
| 13:19 | JesseM | Hello magnuse |
| 13:19 | magnuse | it's greet the usanians time! |
| 13:20 | JesseM | :) |
| 13:36 | magnuse | nah, it's time to call it a week, is what it is! |
| 13:36 | have fun #koha! | |
| 13:37 | drojf | norwegian weeks are short |
| 13:38 | i guess they shrink because it's cold | |
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| 13:42 | mtompset | bgkriegel++ # finally, 6874! |
| 13:42 | talljoy | drojf++ |
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| 13:44 | xarragon | I have one question: Koha on a Windows server; is it possible? |
| 13:44 | Joubu | NOOOOO |
| 13:45 | ;) | |
| 13:46 | drojf | and. WHY? /o\ |
| 13:46 | :P | |
| 13:47 | tcohen | xarragon: it is possible, just launch a Debian 8 virtual machine on VirtualBox to run Koha |
| 13:49 | mtompset | Joubu++ # I feel the same way |
| 13:49 | tcohen: You forgot to qualify that it is not recommended for production that way. :P | |
| 13:50 | tcohen | ah, but xarragon didn't ask that |
| 13:50 | drojf | it's not not recommended either, is it? :P |
| 13:51 | tcohen | :-P |
| 13:51 | mtompset | tcohen is current RM for 3.20 -- kind of looks like one. |
| 13:51 | And if someone asks if a gun can kill a person, do you answer just yes? :P | |
| 13:52 | drojf++ # Exactly, the intent is important | |
| 13:52 | tcohen | many people likes to run production stuff on top of the VirtualBox hypervisor, who cares if it is run on windows server or linux who runs the hypervisor? |
| 13:53 | we use Xen btw | |
| 13:53 | drojf | as long as dealing with the windows part is not my job, go for it ;) |
| 13:54 | mtompset | drojf: It will be, because the next question will be how to do all the networking. |
| 13:54 | drojf | i'd recommend a virtualbox irc channel :) |
| 13:54 | xarragon | Nah, I was just curious. I saw there was some mailing list called koha-win32 back in 2007 or so. |
| 13:54 | tcohen | drojf: exactly. as a Koha support provider I have clients that have their whole infrastructure built on Microsoft products, and provide me with a incredibly-performant Debian VPS to do my job |
| 13:54 | drojf | (i suppose host-only adapter + nat adapter would work in windows too) |
| 13:55 | mtompset | xarragon: The problem with trying to run koha natively on windows is a lack of libraries. |
| 13:55 | xarragon | Also, Sweden is very Microsoft-centric, so many places will throw a hizzy-fit if they are asked to support anything that does not come with Solitaire and Minesweeper. |
| 13:56 | tcohen | xarragon: heh |
| 13:56 | jcamins | My experience with VirtualBox in production is that the host does not matter, it's going to be fussy regardless. |
| 13:56 | tcohen | jcamins++ |
| 13:56 | mtompset | xarragon: I actually tried to get it to work recently under a windows technical preview. |
| 13:56 | The missing perl libraries were the killer. | |
| 13:56 | jcamins | HyperV seems pretty good, though. |
| 13:57 | drojf | tcohen: the library where i started working with koha had ms hyper-v as virtualisation host. while i would not touch that myself (and it seemed unreliable sometimes), koha worked fine |
| 13:57 | heh | |
| 13:57 | xarragon | Okay, thanks for the info. I was just curious.. |
| 13:58 | tcohen | Micro$oft is a top-10 linux kernel contributor, because they wanted near-perfect support for linux on hyper-v |
| 13:58 | jcamins | bshum just mentioned HyperV working well in another channel. |
| 13:58 | tcohen | top-20 |
| 13:59 | drojf | i remember at least one case where weird things happened with snapshots in hyperv. but i was not involved myself and it may have been user error too |
| 13:59 | barton | I have a partner who wants to do date range searches on acquisition date from the OPAC |
| 14:00 | I'm guessing that this will require some changes to C4::Search | |
| 14:01 | tcohen | barton: probably to the queryparser? |
| 14:02 | barton: take a look at QueryParser | |
| 14:02 | barton | k. |
| 14:03 | tcohen | it might be implemented already, and the problem would consist on a front-end thing |
| 14:03 | barton | ok. |
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| 14:42 | mtompset | Have a great day. #koha. Need to reboot, etc. |
| 14:59 | indradg | is there a specific reason why we don't have the AJAX suggest option for patrons search, while we have that facility during checkout? |
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| 15:09 | cait | i think maybe the different focus |
| 15:09 | when using patron search you are not looking for 'one specific' user | |
| 15:09 | but for a group | |
| 15:14 | indradg | cait: ok! |
| 15:24 | reiveune | bye |
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| 16:14 | gaetan_B | bye |
| 16:14 | indradg | Joubu: you seem to be on a roll today! :) |
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| 16:37 | mtompset | Greetings, #koha. |
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| 18:13 | tcohen | how do we change the channel title?¿ |
| 18:23 | indradg | @seen Joubu |
| 18:23 | huginn` | indradg: Joubu was last seen in #koha 4 hours, 38 minutes, and 50 seconds ago: <Joubu> ;) |
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| 18:30 | David_ | Hello all! |
| 18:30 | Love Koha! | |
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| 18:36 | mtompset | Greetings, indradg. :) |
| 18:37 | Perhaps /topic? | |
| 18:38 | Perhaps with the help of bag chris_n gmcharlt jcamins rangi or wizzyrea too? | |
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| 18:40 | indradg | greetings mtompset! your comment to aleisha added to my own meagre knowledge of perl :) |
| 18:40 | thanks :) | |
| 18:40 | mtompset | Hey, share the knowledge. :) I only recently (less than a year ago) learned about it. :) |
| 18:42 | tcohen | i liked this post from gmcharlt https://galencharlton.com/blog[…]rl-5-10-and-koha/ |
| 18:44 | * mtompset | chuckles. |
| 18:44 | mtompset | bug 10503 |
| 18:44 | wahanui | i heard bug 10503 was relevant |
| 18:44 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10503 normal, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Failed QA , incorrect initialization parameters passed to Memoize::Memcached |
| 18:45 | mtompset | So, is someone going to rescue it, gmcharlt? :) |
| 18:47 | wahanui: bug 10503 is also sitting at Failed QA for the last couple of years. | |
| 18:47 | wahanui | okay, mtompset. |
| 18:47 | mtompset | bug 10503 |
| 18:47 | wahanui | bug 10503 is probably sitting at Failed QA for the last couple of years. |
| 18:47 | mtompset | bug 10503 |
| 18:47 | wahanui | bug 10503 is sitting at Failed QA for the last couple of years. |
| 18:47 | mtompset | bug 10503 |
| 18:47 | wahanui | rumour has it bug 10503 is sitting at Failed QA for the last couple of years |
| 18:47 | mtompset | Nice variation, wahanui. :) |
| 18:47 | wahanui | mtompset: sorry... |
| 18:47 | mtompset | bug 10503 |
| 18:47 | wahanui | bug 10503 is relevant |
| 18:48 | tcohen | is it true that the call is wrong? |
| 18:48 | mtompset | which call? |
| 18:49 | tcohen | we should ask the Memoize::Memcached maintainer |
| 18:50 | but i'd say memoize_memcached can handle both a Cache::Memcached object or a hashref of options flawlessly | |
| 18:50 | mtompset | Remember that discussion is 2+ years old. |
| 18:51 | tcohen | http://search.cpan.org/~tcohen[…]oize/Memcached.pm |
| 18:51 | i'll take a look mtompset | |
| 18:52 | it might be worth making it more explicit (i.e. passing the actual params) | |
| 18:52 | mtompset | Just remember, you triggered this with your article link. :P |
| 18:52 | tcohen | you don't blame google if you find something, right? |
| 18:52 | this is gmcharlt's fault :-P | |
| 18:53 | * mtompset | laughs hard. |
| 18:53 | tcohen | bye #koha, heading home bbl |
| 18:53 | mtompset | Bye, tcohen. |
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| 19:41 | tcohen | dcook: hi |
| 19:44 | mtompset | Greetings again, tcohen |
| 19:45 | tcohen: If we take it back a level further, we should blame you. ;) | |
| 19:48 | Does anyone have an authority MRC file I can import? | |
| 19:48 | I just need some dummy data to actually have a search return something. | |
| 19:54 | tcohen | mtompset: how is that? |
| 19:55 | mtompset | Well, yes, gmcharlt bug reported the problem, but it is regarding the module which you now maintain. |
| 19:55 | tcohen | it looks like a WORKSFORME one |
| 19:55 | mtompset | Sure, you could shift the blame back another level, but there's a limit to how far back you can pass blame. :) |
| 19:56 | tcohen | from another pov, the patch author wants to change how we use that function, which is fair, but then is not a problem with the library itself |
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| 20:15 | * andreashm | wave |
| 20:15 | andreashm | waves |
| 20:19 | tcohen | hi andreashm |
| 20:19 | andreashm | hi tcohen! |
| 20:19 | great work getting the beta out | |
| 20:19 | mtompset | Greetings, andreashm. |
| 20:19 | Easy sign off: bug 14076 | |
| 20:19 | andreashm | hey mtompset |
| 20:19 | wahanui | mtompset is catching up in the non-coding aspects of his ministry. |
| 20:19 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=14076 minor, P5 - low, ---, mtompset, Needs Signoff , Noisy warns in opac-authorities-home.pl |
| 20:21 | andreashm | ah, I like those easy ones. but I'm currently on vacation. =) |
| 20:23 | mtompset | indradg: I bow to your MarcEdit in Linux expertise. :) |
| 20:25 | indradg | heh |
| 20:27 | mtompset | Is that you narrating the video? |
| 20:27 | andreashm | jajm++ (REST API stuff) |
| 20:27 | mtompset | I imagined a deeper voice. :) |
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| 21:04 | rangi | morning |
| 21:04 | now you can change it | |
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| 21:22 | wizzyrea | wizzyrea: |
| 21:22 | oops lol | |
| 21:22 | hi | |
| 21:27 | Topic for #koha is now Welcome | |
| 21:27 | tcohen | hm, no |
| 21:27 | help! | |
| 21:29 | rangi | hehe |
| 21:31 | Topic for #koha is now "conduct | |
| 21:31 | tcohen | can i give up? |
| 21:31 | rangi | you cant have returns in your topic |
| 21:31 | has to be all one line | |
| 21:31 | Topic for #koha is now lots of stuff goes there | |
| 21:32 | rangi | what do you actually want as the topic |
| 21:32 | Topic for #koha is now Welcome | |
| 21:32 | tcohen | heh |
| 21:32 | the original one, without the Elections for 3.22 sufix | |
| 21:32 | Welcome to the IRC home of Koha http://koha-community.org | Code of conduct - http://koha-community.org/abou[…]/code-of-conduct/ | Please use http://paste.koha-community.org for pastes | Installation guide for Koha is http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Debian | |
| 21:33 | i just wanted to know how to do it for when I call for a dev meeting | |
| 21:33 | to put the date there | |
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| 21:38 | rangi | right |
| 21:38 | Topic for #koha is now Welcome to the IRC home of Koha http://koha-community.org | Code of conduct - http://koha-community.org/abou[…]/code-of-conduct/ | Please use http://paste.koha-community.org for pastes | Installation guide for Koha is http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Debian | |
| 21:39 | rangi | i write it in vim then paste it .. all one line |
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| 21:43 | tcohen | like TOPIC #koha <paste> |
| 21:43 | thanks rangi | |
| 21:44 | rangi | yep |
| 21:45 | no worries | |
| 21:45 | also check this out | |
| 21:45 | http://www.airnewzealand.co.nz[…]nos-aires-flights | |
| 21:45 | direct argentina <-> nz flights now | |
| 21:45 | hint hint | |
| 21:45 | :) | |
| 21:46 | wnickc | is it not possible for staff to edit a patron's privacy preference? |
| 21:46 | tcohen | oh my |
| 21:46 | =D | |
| 21:47 | blink blink | |
| 21:47 | * tcohen | considers that cheap actually |
| 21:47 | rangi | tcohen: yeah its less than i paid last year |
| 21:47 | wnickc: hmm i think you can | |
| 21:48 | wnickc | i thought so too, but can't figure out how, i thought there was a pref |
| 21:55 | * Dyrcona | was tempted to jump on a AirNZ flight yesterday. |
| 21:56 | Dyrcona | Unfortunately, they probably would have realized I was on the wrong flight when it got to Los Angeles and would not have let me continue to Auckland. |
| 21:56 | rangi | http://catalyst.net.nz/join-us/jobs |
| 21:56 | :) | |
| 21:56 | Dyrcona | heh |
| 21:56 | rangi | there is an urban myth of someone getting on a flight to Auckland |
| 21:56 | instead of Oakland | |
| 21:56 | Dyrcona | heh |
| 21:56 | That's very hard today with e-tickets. | |
| 21:56 | rangi | yeah |
| 21:57 | * Dyrcona | is in Hood River, Oregon at the Evergreen conference. |
| 21:57 | rangi | ahh cool |
| 21:57 | * Dyrcona | is supposed to be hacking Evergreen at the pre-conference hack fest. |
| 21:57 | rangi | i must get to an Evergreen conference some day |
| 21:57 | Dyrcona | I must come to a Koha conference one day. |
| 21:58 | wizzyrea | hm, this password dev - what is the difference between "OpacPasswordChange" and "OpacResetPassword" |
| 21:59 | confusing. | |
| 21:59 | rangi | one allows them to change their password |
| 21:59 | assuming they know it | |
| 21:59 | ie you login and can change your password | |
| 21:59 | the other lets them change it if they dont know it ;) | |
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| 22:00 | Dyrcona1 | Whee! Conference wifi. |
| 22:04 | wizzyrea | I just don't like the descriptions of those two, I think. Too close in meaning to be meaningfully different in the interface. I get that the function is different :D |
| 22:06 | rangi | yeah |
| 22:08 | wizzyrea | do we care if the password reset shows things like opacnav on a private catalogue? |
| 22:09 | rangi | hmm probably yes |
| 22:16 | eythian | hi |
| 22:16 | wahanui | kia ora, eythian |
| 22:28 | wizzyrea | I think "Library users are allowed | not allowed to recover their password via e-mail in the OPAC |
| 22:28 | " | |
| 22:28 | the variable could easily be called "OpacRecoverPassword" but that just seems unnecessary :P | |
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| 22:43 | cdickinson | @wunder nzwn |
| 22:43 | huginn` | cdickinson: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 15.0°C (10:00 AM NZST on May 14, 2015). Conditions: Light Rain Showers. Humidity: 88%. Dew Point: 13.0°C. Pressure: 29.62 in 1003 hPa (Steady). |
| 22:43 | cdickinson | lol "Light Rain Showers" |
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| 23:04 | wizzyrea | it might have been light at the time, not so much now.l |
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