IRC log for #koha, 2015-03-12

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00:32 mtompset Nice blip that was. :)
00:50 BobB good afternoon all (as it may be for you and will be for me in 10 mins or so)
00:51 does enabling ICU chains for searching in say, Korean script have any negative consequences for searching latin-based languages in the same catalogue?
00:52 and if so, will the elastic search work address that?
00:52 rangi i think all the ICU experts are asleep
00:52 BobB yeah, prolly
00:52 eythian I'd ask dcook
00:53 becaues I always ask him for zebra questions
00:53 I don't know if he even knows the answers, or just goes and looks it up.
00:53 BobB what about elastic search eythian?  Are you testing that for Arabic, etc?
00:53 eythian I'm not yet
00:53 BobB ok, thx
00:54 eythian but, it ought to work reasonably well straight from the get-go I think
00:54 it also understands some languages so will be able to do a bit better with them
00:56 BobB i'm asking for a project where the translations haven't been done yet: two new langauges, so it won't be any time soon, I expect
00:56 eythian ah right
00:56 BobB how long does it take to create a translation, from scratch?
00:56 weeks or months?
00:57 eythian @later tell drojf hey wait, you're going pro now? awesome :)
00:57 huginn eythian: The operation succeeded.
00:58 eythian BobB: I'd guess weeks of FTE, but I'm not really sure.
00:58 BobB cool, thx
00:58 rangi it depends entirely on if the people have done translations before
01:00 Francesca hey
01:00 eythian @later tell drojf wordpress has munched the GPG key on your site, btw, -- has become — for example. "gpg: geen geldige OpenPGP gegevens gevonden."
01:00 huginn eythian: The operation succeeded.
01:01 BobB rangi: almost certainly not
01:01 rangi yeah then it will take a wee while
01:03 * Francesca waves at rangi
01:03 rangi hey Francesca
01:03 wahanui I love the 11th doctor!
01:04 Francesca I've got everything cloned now
01:04 but I still have no idea how to set up hea-app on the vm
01:05 rangi hmm maybe you could drop aleisha an email, she set it up on hers
01:05 Francesca gotta find her email first but sure
01:05 all I need is to have it running so I can test any CSS changes I make
01:05 rangi yup
01:05 i cant remember how she set it up
01:06 Francesca I'll get in touch with her
01:06 rangi cool thanks
01:07 Francesca when I get it working I'm planning to change the colours to match up with the other sites I did some work on
01:07 rangi sounds good
01:08 Francesca sorry I keep missing you on tuesdays btw
01:08 rangi no problem
01:08 Francesca I know thats the day we set up to chat on here
01:08 I keep getting sick
01:10 rangi whenever you get time is fine
01:12 Francesca I've been coming on here at random times and I keep missing yo
01:12 you
01:13 but I go on mid semester break just before easter so I'll have lots of time then
01:16 rangi sweet
01:47 eythian https://www.indiegogo.com/proj[…]con-man/x/4049159 <-- firefly etc. nerds
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02:36 dcook eythian: Half the time I know the answer, half the time I know where to go to find it ;)
02:37 mtompset @seen wizzyrea
02:37 huginn mtompset: wizzyrea was last seen in #koha 2 days, 2 hours, 24 minutes, and 30 seconds ago: <wizzyrea> I could probably convince the family that a trip to a hackfest in oz would be a good thing to do.
02:38 mtompset Is there someone else, other than wizzyrea who has the ability to add paid support listings?
02:38 dcook BobB: As for ICU, it would depend on what the transliteration is doing, I suppose
02:38 * dcook did a lot of reading about ICU a while back when he found that ICU phrase tokenization bug
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02:59 eythian oh dear. I just spent from last night til now trying to work out why I couldn't seach authority records.
02:59 I just discovered that "peter" works, and "Peter" doesn't.
02:59 rangi oh
02:59 eythian arg
02:59 rangi case sensitivity eh
02:59 eythian yeah
02:59 rangi there must be a switch to switch that off eh?
02:59 eythian this is fixable, but I thought I'd already fixed it
03:00 dcook Bizarre
03:00 mtompset perhaps you did, but the bug fix hasn't hit master? or you forgot to submit the bug, and you did an upgrade?
03:01 eythian that's not really how elasticsearch development is working at the moment
03:03 lowercase tokenising is default, but it doesn't seem to apply to search terms.
03:03 That surprises me
03:05 dcook When did you make it the default?
03:05 Maybe it just needs a reindex?
03:06 eythian ages ago
03:06 dcook Hmm
03:06 eythian I'm thinking it's lowercasing when it indexes, but it's not lowercasing when it does the comparison.
03:06 dcook That's how it sounds
03:06 But that's also bizarre :S
03:07 eythian analyser_standard => {
03:07 tokenizer => 'standard',
03:07 filter    => 'lowercase',
03:07 }
03:07 dcook Unless it uses a different config file?
03:07 eythian that is being applied to everything indexed
03:07 where we're going, we don't neen config files
03:07 *need
03:07 dcook hehe
03:08 But surely you'd need to tell it that you need to lowercase your search terms?
03:08 Unless it knows to use the analyser_standard I guess..
03:08 But why would it know?
03:08 eythian well, I don't know
03:08 * dcook had fun playing with words-icu.xml a while back...
03:08 eythian I really need to get the elasticsearch book, go to the quiet room, and read the whole thing.
03:09 dcook hehe
03:09 Yeah, I've pondered doing similar things
03:09 * dcook still hasn't gotten past the first few chapters of PBP
03:09 dcook And I even bought the ebook
03:09 eythian this should be able to handle a lot of things by magic
03:09 and we can plug in analysers if we like
03:10 I really want to push more logic to the index phase rather than the search phase.
03:11 dcook Yeah, that'd be nice
03:11 rangi that makes sense
03:11 dcook Well, depending on what we're doing I guess
03:11 Rather do it once than a million times..
03:11 eythian there's places where values are derived from parts of a record.
03:11 dcook I forgot you could plug in different analysers
03:11 eythian we can just chuck those into the record when we index it
03:13 dcook :D
03:13 What's an example?
03:13 wahanui rumour has it an example is probably a status change
03:14 eythian when searching authorities, we take a set of bits of it, based on the type, and make it into a long string like aThisbThancThe next thing
03:14 dcook :S
03:14 Interesting
03:14 wahanui i guess Interesting is sometimes good and sometimes bad
03:14 eythian there's also a BuildSummary method that does a lot of complicated things.
03:16 dcook Ooo, we could index all sorts of stuff
03:16 Non-MARC stuff
03:16 eythian yeah
03:16 dcook Yeah?
03:16 Sweet
03:16 eythian that's what I've been hinting at for a while now :)
03:17 dcook Hehe. It took me a while.
03:17 I missed lunch :/
03:17 And now that I'm comfy, I'm hestitant to get up a make a sammich
03:17 I used to think I needed a lackey, but maybe I just need a really smart dog...
03:17 The dude who taught me how to weld had a dog named Whiskey
03:17 Could open the fridge, fetch him a beer, close the fridge, and bring back the beer
03:18 Admittedly, a toasted sandwich might be more complicated...
03:18 * dcook doesn't think the dog could pour whiskey either
03:18 eythian that dog needed some new tricks
03:18 but, the beer one is certainly useful
03:20 dcook I know, right?
03:20 Of course the lackey could go and buy beer...
03:20 What's the drinking age in New Zealand?
03:20 If I start growing a child now, how long until they can fetch me beer? :p
03:21 eythian longer than if you just hired one
03:21 dcook: 18 here
03:24 dcook Well, I don't want a hired hand sitting in my living room at 10pm
03:24 Of course, if they just kept the fridge stocked...
03:24 Actually, I think Coles does deliver alcohol... although it might just be wine?
03:24 Nah, they deliver beer too...
03:24 But not same day delivery
03:24 * dcook shakes his head with disappointment
03:26 eythian you have students there, right? There's bound to be a 30 minute delivery service.
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03:26 dcook Hmm, I do work by 2 different universities...
03:27 There's actually a wine shop next door I think
03:27 But they're too pricy
03:27 * dcook would probably have to walk 5 minutes to buy a case
03:27 dcook And I'm too comfy at the moment :p
03:28 eythian the problems you have :)
03:28 dcook It's a tough life
03:29 Ok, bbiab
03:29 Well, brb. It won't take that long..
03:30 * eythian waits for dcook to return with a case of wine
03:40 dcook Just sandwiches :p
03:41 Now just need moar hands
03:44 eythian http://www.elastic.co/guide/en[…]s-icu-plugin.html <-- dcook
03:45 I'm not using that at the moment
03:46 dcook Mmm interesting
03:51 I'll have to look more deeply another time :)
03:51 eythian does that mean you're not going to solve my problem here?
03:51 damn
03:52 mtompset Have fun, eythian. :)
03:53 Have a great day, #koha dcook eythian rangi
03:53 dcook haha
03:53 I think I'd have to look more at a functional ES to start trying to help solve the problem :)
03:57 eythian http://www.elastic.co/guide/en[…]ce-is-broken.html <-- zebra needs a page like this
04:01 dcook Mmm I like that
04:02 Although not sure what "enough data" might be :p
04:04 Inverse document frequency took me a minute to puzzle out
04:04 I was like "But... but if it's in lots of indexes, surely it's relevant!"
04:04 Then I realized that doesn't make sense
04:04 "The pickle"
04:04 The will appear in everything, so it's certainly way less relevant than "pickle"
04:04 "The" will*
04:04 * dcook goes back to pretending not to be distracted by eythian and his ES ways
04:04 eythian heh
04:05 annoying, as far as I can tell, I can't do a proper phrase search across all fields.
04:05 because _all only seems to work with "real" fields, and my phrase field is sorta a synthetic one.
04:06 * eythian tries something...
04:07 eythian damn, that didn't work.
04:23 dcook IE is so terribad...
04:24 eythian yeah
04:25 @karma IE
04:25 huginn eythian: Karma for "IE" has been increased 0 times and decreased 18 times for a total karma of -18.
04:26 dcook IE--
04:26 For good measure
04:26 Hmm..
04:26 IE IE--
04:26 huginn IE: Error: You're not allowed to adjust your own karma.
04:26 IE hehe
04:27 dcook Even IE doesn't think it's very good...
04:27 * dcook is easily amused
04:39 eythian yay!
04:40 phrase searching across all fields now works
04:40 turns out you can create a fake field and tall everything else to copy their content into it
04:40 *tell
04:40 dcook :D
04:40 eythian so I could make one with the parameters I want, and now I just have to remember to use _allphrase instead of _all where appropriate.
04:40 * dcook isn't sure what this all means but yay for working
04:40 eythian which isn't ideal, but it'll do.
04:41 still haven't sorted the case issue, but I think I'll cheat and lc() it from perl for now.
04:41 dcook What's an example? :)
04:41 :o
04:41 eythian $ curl -XPOST  'http://koha-es:9200/koha_robin[…]_search?pretty=1' -d '
04:41 {
04:41 "query" : {
04:41 "term" : { "_allphrase" : "Vial, Peter" }
04:41 }
04:41 }'
04:41 will find an authority that has that name in a field
04:41 but searching for "Vial, Pete" won't result in anything (which is what I want)
04:42 previously, I had to search the specific field that was in, I couldn't search _all as that was tokenised
04:42 (err, modulo caps, I copied the wrong test)
04:43 well, not only that, I had to search in say, 'Heading.phrase'
04:43 as my .phrase fields aren't tokenised.
04:44 dcook Hmm, might have something about the case thing..
04:44 What query are you using for Peter?
04:45 eythian what do you mean?
04:45 the query is the bit that follows "query" above.
04:45 It's not the case thing
04:45 oh, you might have an idea?
04:45 I'd like ideas.
04:45 dcook Haha
04:45 http://stackoverflow.com/quest[…]ase-filter-search
04:45 Admittedly I don't really understand ES (yet)
04:46 But it's saying something about term not being analyzed? :S
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04:47 eythian an
04:47 ah
04:47 that does sound like my issue
04:48 I really really don't want to use the query type if I can help it.
04:48 * dcook isn't even sure what that means :)
04:48 eythian it feels more freeform than I want for authority searching.
04:48 dcook Mmm
04:48 eythian it's what I'm using for biblio searching, it lets you use more lucene style queries
04:49 dcook But you want to be more specific?
04:49 eythian yeah
04:49 the authority stuff seems to be (perhaps overly) precise
04:49 really, it should probably respect the caps all the way through to be properly precise, but that's going too far I feel
04:50 dcook I wonder about that sort of thing all the time
04:53 Hmm this seems relevant but you probably already know all this: http://www.elastic.co/guide/en[…]ing_analysis.html
04:53 eythian yeah
04:53 dcook I wonder why the term query wouldn't be analysed :S
04:53 eythian my issue was that I was expecting the search analysers to be provided
04:54 *applied
04:54 dcook Can you provide them?
04:54 eythian I have
04:54 s/provided/applied/ aboce
04:54 above
04:54 I'm losing the ability to connect brain to keyboard
04:54 dcook keyboard brain!
04:55 eythian when you first build an index, it loads the field mappings from the database and generates a big pile of elasticsearch mappings to create the index with
04:58 dcook Hmm, I think I'd have to read more to know more
04:59 I figured the analyser probably wasn't being applied..
04:59 For the term query
05:05 Hmm suddenly I'm craving donuts...
05:09 eythian I'm double booked this evening. Fortunately, both events chose the same location.
05:09 this works out well
05:11 dcook I hope your computer isn't the location for both :p
05:11 eythian no :)
05:11 dcook :D
05:11 I barely know what day of the week it is...
05:11 Thursday...
05:12 Chore night I guess
05:12 eythian I don't like how authority searching has modes, of which two are "is" and "exact"
05:13 it turns out when it says "exact", it doesn't quite mean that.
05:13 however "is" means exact
05:14 * dcook shudders
05:15 eythian I bet almost no one ever uses these options anyway
05:15 but, they need to be implemented...
05:20 dcook Or patches sent to remove them from Koha/Zebra :p
05:20 eythian heh
05:23 dcook Hmm hate when a fix doesn't work..
05:24 Aha... found a workaround
05:24 * dcook must be talking about IE, if he's willing to go with a workaround
05:24 eythian it's the only option so often
05:24 dcook Yeah, it's sad making
05:25 I want to say there is a "bootstrap-ie7.css" file out there... I think we've even used it. I should rack it down again
05:26 Aha... found it
05:26 Take that IE7
05:27 eythian IE7...isn't that deprecated by now?
05:27 dcook Only like...technically
05:28 I think once people actually leave Windows XP, it might be over
05:28 There are so many government departments that would probably work way better on Linux
05:28 eythian yeah, we had to support a government dept on XP up until far too late last year
05:29 dcook :(
05:29 I'm not 100% sure that I actually need to in this case
05:29 Done it enough with DSpace in the past for it to be not too much of a thing though
05:30 eythian ah right
05:30 time for me to go
05:30 later
05:30 * eythian &
05:30 dcook ta
05:32 Hmm, already using the bootstrap-ie7.css apparently...
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07:05 jenkins_koha Starting build #61 for job Koha_3.18.x_U14 (previous build: FAILURE -- last SUCCESS #59 11 days ago)
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07:12 mveron Good daytime #koha
07:12 @wunder Allschwil
07:12 huginn mveron: The current temperature in Basel, Switzerland is -1.0°C (8:00 AM CET on March 12, 2015). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 93%. Dew Point: -2.0°C. Pressure: 30.36 in 1028 hPa (Steady).
07:13 mveron What a bright day!
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07:22 mveron hi josef_moravec :-)
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07:36 reiveune hello
07:39 jenkins_koha Yippee, build fixed!
07:39 wahanui o/ '`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`
07:39 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.18.x_U14 build #61: FIXED in 33 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]ha_3.18.x_U14/61/
07:39 * Kyle M Hall: Bug 13473 - Plugins fail
07:39 * Tomas Cohen Arazi: Bug 13753: koha-indexer contains invalid statement
07:39 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=13473 critical, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Pushed to Stable , Plugins fail when loading templates
07:39 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=13753 major, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Pushed to Stable , INDEXER_DAEMON default is incorrect in koha-indexer
07:39 jenkins_koha Starting build #62 for job Koha_3.18.x_U14 (previous build: FIXED)
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07:56 alex_a bonjour
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08:00 fridolin hie all
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08:09 drojf morning #koha
08:13 jenkins_koha Starting build #63 for job Koha_3.18.x_U14 (previous build: SUCCESS)
08:15 mveron Hi drojf :-)
08:15 drojf hi mveron :)
08:15 mveron and hi everybody :-)
08:15 drojf @wunder berlin, germany
08:16 huginn drojf: The current temperature in Berlin Tegel, Germany is 3.0°C (8:50 AM CET on March 12, 2015). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 87%. Dew Point: 1.0°C. Pressure: 30.51 in 1033 hPa (Rising).
08:16 drojf spring went over soon :(
08:16 mveron it will come back...
08:17 drojf i hope so ;)
08:18 akafred The Koha Plugin system, would that be a natural place to extend Koha with country specific features? Are there limitations to it's use?
08:19 drojf akafred: can't answer the question about the plugin system, but what kind of country specific features are you thinking of?
08:21 akafred Hm. Poor example. Let me try another one: Could an NCIP server possibly be a plugin?
08:21 (Or even, is the one that exists a plugin?)
08:22 rangi no and no
08:22 theres no point in tying an ncip server that tightly to koha
08:24 there's just a Koha driver, (and an Evergreen one) and whatever else to the NCIP server
08:24 akafred Could the Koha driver be a plugin?
08:25 rangi eh?
08:25 its a driver for NCIP
08:25 so no, that wouldnt make any sense
08:26 akafred Hm. Where can I learn more about plugins? And the NCIP-server?
08:26 rangi plugins are for extending koha
08:26 you dont need to extend anything in koha to do ncip
08:27 all you need is a server that speaks the incredibly stupid pile of xml that ncip is
08:27 drojf lol
08:27 rangi and calls the appropriate functions in whatever ils you have behind it
08:27 it really really is a horrible standard
08:28 http://git.evergreen-ils.org/?[…]13df3c76da67f1820
08:28 all that
08:28 to look up a borrower
08:28 liw rangi, I think you have been misled and have not read the Important Hacker Memorandum that sets down the rule that anything that uses XML is pretty and perfect
08:28 rangi and thats the simplest message there is
08:29 liw: :)
08:29 akafred: a good example of the plugins, is the EDS plugin
08:29 akafred rangi: Would you prefer it to be MARC? ;-)
08:30 rangi actually i would
08:30 it's that bad
08:30 you have to actually implement natural language parsing
08:31 nlegrand hey #koha!
08:32 akafred is it xml that is the problem, or the ncip standard?
08:33 rangi the standard
08:33 wahanui it has been said that the standard is to rewrite it with Javascript, which isn't a great solution.
08:33 rangi <Value>Hold For Pickup And Notify</Value>
08:33 <RequestedActionType>
08:34 akafred Yep.
08:34 rangi the standard does not specify what can be between the value tags
08:34 akafred They have made it too general.
08:34 rangi consequently every single ILL system does it different
08:35 basically you win nothing except complexity over SIP2
08:35 also, most ILL systems dont care about security and the standard leaves it out
08:36 so its http in the clear, with no authentication or sessions
08:36 it's AWESOME
08:36 ncip?
08:36 wahanui i heard ncip was NISO, SIP is 3M
08:36 rangi ncip?
08:36 wahanui http://kohadevreactions.tumblr[…]g-on-ncip-kohails
08:36 rangi that's exactly what working with it is like
08:37 drojf :D
08:37 rangi plugin https://github.com/ebsco/edsapi-koha-plugin
08:37 and in action
08:37 https://library.niwa.co.nz/
08:38 * mveron did a first tiny step for Bug 13813...
08:38 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=13813 normal, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Remove deprecated module C4::Dates from system
08:38 rangi you can choose between discovery and the catalogue in the drop down
08:39 jenkins_koha Yippee, build fixed!
08:39 wahanui o/ '`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`
08:39 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.18.x_D7 build #69: FIXED in 27 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]oha_3.18.x_D7/69/
08:39 Chris Cormack: Revert "Bug 13789 - facets with accented utf-8 characters generate double encoded links"
08:39 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=13789 major, P5 - low, ---, dpavlin, Pushed to Master , facets with accented utf-8 characters generate double encoded links
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08:42 rangi mveron++
08:45 mveron rangi:  For possible changes to DateUtils.pm, it would be great to have  Bug 13601 QAed / pushed
08:45 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=13601 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Signed Off , Get rid of DateTime::Format::DateParse
08:52 * cait waves
08:52 * rangi isnt part of the QA team
08:52 rangi but i can push it to 3.18.x if it is needed and once its pushed to master
08:54 cait rangi - when is the freeze for translation again?
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08:54 rangi 15th
08:54 * magnuse waves
08:58 cait oh so soon
08:58 and weekend
08:58 i found some more paging issues, but they should be translation safe
08:58 will test
08:59 making screenshots for the user meeting of course turned up some more finding (such things always do)
09:00 magnuse rangi: i know you explained it once before, but i didn't take notes... :-( what's the difference between the two scripts in the bin of NCIPserver?
09:00 ncip_dancing.pl and start_server.pl
09:01 * mveron waves to cait :-)
09:02 cait hi mveron
09:02 wahanui hi mveron are you ther yet
09:02 mveron ...and to magnuse and all the others...
09:02 rangi one starts up an http server (dancer)
09:02 one starts up a server listening on a port
09:03 to be fully compliant you have to support, http, https and raw
09:03 magnuse ooh "The Oslo Perl Mongers are happy to invite you to the Nordic Perl Workshop, May 8-10th 2015. This year is special in that the NPW is being organized as a part of the Nordic Open Source Developers' Conference (OSDC.no)." http://act.osdc.no/osdc2015no/
09:03 ah, so one is http(s) and one is raw, gotcha
09:03 rangi cos ... well who knows why really, someone really liked 1969 and it's protocols maybe
09:03 magnuse lulz
09:03 yeah, library tech tends to do that
09:04 rangi right time for sleep for me
09:04 magnuse sleep tight rangi!
09:04 mveron Good night, rangi
09:05 cait night rangi
09:06 drojf night rangi, moin cait and magnuse
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09:08 magnuse moin drojf atheia Viktor
09:09 Viktor Hi Magnuse!
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09:13 nlegrand it's still not possible to check all late orders list as bug 7481 proposed?
09:13 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7481 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, adrien.saurat, CLOSED DUPLICATE, Select all/Deselect all on the late orders list (Claim order button)
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09:19 cait nlegrand: i think you can do all for one vendor at once
09:19 i thought
09:20 nlegrand cait: I can't an a 3.18 and master right now
09:20 cait let me find it
09:20 nlegrand thanks ^^
09:20 cait use the filter on the left
09:20 and limit to a vendor
09:20 then the uncheck all/check all will appear :)
09:21 nlegrand cait: great! Thank you :)
09:21 cait :)
09:25 nlegrand another question about Koha process dev, if we open a public market and pay someone for some dev, is it ok to ask them to put it on the bugzilla and for us to sign it when we're satisfied? (still thinking about separate quota for on-site checkout)
09:28 magnuse you can sign it off, but i think it would need an independent signoff too?
09:28 or disinterested
09:28 nlegrand :)
09:30 That's good enough for me :)
09:37 cait nlegrand: you shoudl totally ask them to submit
09:37 nlegrand :)
09:38 jenkins_koha Yippee, build fixed!
09:38 wahanui o/ '`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`
09:38 jenkins_koha Project Koha_3.18.x_U12 build #46: FIXED in 48 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]ha_3.18.x_U12/46/
09:38 Chris Cormack: Revert "Bug 13789 - facets with accented utf-8 characters generate double encoded links"
09:38 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=13789 major, P5 - low, ---, dpavlin, Pushed to Master , facets with accented utf-8 characters generate double encoded links
09:46 akafred Joubu: https://github.com/gempesaw/Se[…]e-Driver/pull/189 ..... Still WIP, but ...
09:48 Joubu akafred: ok thanks, will try to have a look
09:48 s/try to// :)
09:49 akafred No sweat, just fun that they started work on it immediately after I mentioned it :-)
10:01 * magnuse spins up a new linode to run an ill demo on
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10:26 atheia Hej magnuse (rather belatedly *sheepish*)
10:33 magnuse atheia: hej is swedish, hei is norwegian ;-)
10:36 atheia magnuse: ah, sincere apologies! Let me try again:
10:36 hei magnuse! :-)
10:36 akafred Currently Oslo uses the proprietary ILS as their "Identity Provider" (using a SIP2 service as the authentication service). As we are building more services and also other systems need auth/identity this becomes a bit cumbersome (few have SIP2 as a possible auth mechanism ...). What Identity Providers are others using for Koha + other stuff to (reduce number
10:36 of sign-in mechanisms)? What do you recommend?
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10:39 magnuse much better atheia ;-)
10:41 akafred: koha supports LDAP, CAS, Shibboleth. so i guess those protocols are used for that sort of thing
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10:44 akafred Yep, I have seen that , but I am curious which are actually used, and which are recommended.
10:45 magnuse i think biblibre has been working on cas, so maybe someone there knows
10:45 and i think ashimema did the work on shib?
10:46 ashimema you called
10:47 magnuse :-)
10:47 you worked on shibboleth, right?
10:48 what is that used for? do you run a shibboleth server that holds all your users?
10:48 or are there other systems using it as a protocol?
10:48 ashimema Biblibre has a few customers using CAS I believe.. universities mostly.
10:48 We have a few customers using Shibboleth, Law Firms, Universities and Colleges
10:49 We havn't yet seen a public wanting to do it.. and I can't see why they would.. unless they were using Shib as an OAuth gateway.. which is perfectly viable (i.e. login with google account details for instance)
10:50 We run one test IdP shibboleth wise.. for my development work.. but we in theory offer IdP hosting as a service (where we could use an IdP hosted by us to ensure seamless sign on to all our apps (and anyone elses using Shib/SAML2) in one step
10:51 The drawback of shibboleth is that the IdP hosting has to be bomb proof.. as there is no easy mechanism of fallback
10:52 * magnuse lets akafred ask the followup questions
10:52 ashimema It's the tidiest (in my opinion) single sign on solution if your IdP is bombproof.. if you're IdP is not bombproof you will get directed off to a broken service and never get directed back again.
10:52 Shibboleth = SAML2, SAML2 = Shibboleth btw
10:52 akafred.. hopefully that gives you some places to start
10:53 I'd love to see Koha have a full OAuth2 implementation in the near future too.. as my feeling is that's the way forward in general..
10:54 also.. Shibboleth is simply the medium of transport really.. you still require LDAP/Active Directory or some other storage mechanism behind it at the IdP end
10:55 akafred Yep, I am starting to figure that out.
10:56 ashimema feel free to quiz me.. I know auth pretty well these days..
10:56 (and am still the koha auth module maintainer for a little while yet.. though I really need to catch back up on my duties on that front)
10:56 akafred Awesome. We'll probably have to go more into this in a while.
10:56 ashimema++
10:56 magnuse why not use ldap directly if you have to have that in the wings anyway?
10:57 ashimema I'd say if you can guarantee 99%+ uptime on your IdP then shibboleth it a really nice way to go.. it's so seamless (And that would mean I'd have another person to punt bugs to test at ;) )
10:58 akafred :--)
10:58 ashimema Suppose it's about what you're wanting to achieve on that front magnuse.
10:59 Shibboleth and CAS I believe both offer 'Single Sign On', whereas LDAP offer 'Single Login/Password Combination over Multiple Sign On)
10:59 magnuse ah, ok
10:59 makes sense
10:59 akafred: you might want to look into FEIDE too, that is somehoiw related to SAML feide.no
11:00 i am not sure if it saml under another name, or if it is saml + norwegian adaptations
11:01 ashimema LDAP also requires the Identity information to be exchanged between parties.. thus your local application is given some level of information about users by the ldap provider.. people like SAML/Shibboleth if they're in hyper paranoid zones.. as at no point does a username/password pass through a srvice providers clutches.
11:01 workflow to explain the above
11:01 magnuse nice
11:02 ashimema LDAP: Give me your username and password and I'll pass them along to someone who can varify they're right
11:02 SAML/Shibboleth: Go and ask so and so to tell me you are who you say you are.
11:03 thus in the shibboleth model, the service provider is never privy to such information.. they just get given a secret handshake to varify you are who you say you are..
11:03 all good fun.
11:04 (OAuth is similar to shibboleth/saml but uses a different browser side agreement system)
11:05 akafred If you use shibboleth, do you do user creation outside Koha?
11:07 Also with LDAP?
11:11 ashimema your using LDAP/Active Directory or whatever as your definitive source of users.. so yes.. that's where the user should be stored
11:12 akafred Stored I understand, but created by some other mechanism, or would Koha actually create new users in LDAP (if allowed)?
11:12 ashimema You could however if you so chose to do so, have Koha's borrowers table act as you're background store of users and put a shibboleth IdP in front of it.
11:12 H,,,
11:12 I don't think Koha supports push to ldap directory
11:12 as far as I'm aware at least..
11:13 and i don't think there is a push mechanism for shibboleth.. as far as I know
11:13 akafred Ok.
11:13 ashimema I'm sure there's probably a way... but they'd need coding ;)
11:13 koha at the minute is only designed to be an Auth consumer.. not an auth provider really..
11:14 akafred Have you tried using it as a auth service/provider?
11:14 I mean backed by the borrowsers table?
11:15 ashimema i.e. all the auth mechanisms are really about allowing koha to consume other's authentication.. though of course SIP2, and the API's allow for authenticating against koha thus can sort of act as a provider
11:15 I've not yet.. haven't had a customer asking for it..
11:15 akafred Ok.
11:15 Good info.
11:16 ashimema Would be interested to try ;)  SimpleSamlPHP (that's that open fiede project magnus mentioned earlier) does exactly that..
11:16 it's an IdP for which you can plugin any back end database you want provided you can code a bit of php
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11:24 octo19 Hello, we use an old version of Koha. I need to be able to find out what version of Koha we have and how easy it is to upgrade. We are having issues with edits to entires not being saved and the inability to add new entires.
11:24 Thank you in advance for any help
11:35 akafred ... and gone ... I guess the answer would have been to start by looking in the "About Koha"-page in Intra?
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11:37 drojf akafred: try again :)
11:41 octo19 Sorry, just learning this. Is the 'About' page accessible via the web interface or only CLI?
11:43 The boss is on my tail to get these problems solved :)
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11:45 mveron octo19: Go to the 'About' page in staff client
11:47 octo19 mveron I don't see that option.
11:48 is that in CLI?
11:48 mveron Web interface
11:48 wahanui rumour has it Web interface is working right this moment
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11:53 octo19 Got it. Version 3.12.04.000
11:53 mveron :-)
11:54 octo19 However it seems the admin page is on a different version than the user interface? is that possible?
11:55 mveron What do you mean by the user interface? OPAC?
11:56 octo19 Yes
12:00 drojf why do you think it is a different version? that seems very unlikely
12:01 octo19 The admin interface looks different than OPAC
12:01 drojf well, it's a different interface :P
12:02 magnuse they do llok different, yes
12:02 mveron With 3.12 the bootstrap theme was introduced for the OPAC . It was possible to switch between different themes using a system preference. Meanwhile it is bootstrap only.
12:03 octo19 ah ok. makes more sense.
12:04 does anyone have an idea as to why the entires we edit or add do not show up?
12:05 drojf is your zebra server running? is the zebra cron job for indexing running?
12:08 octo19 How can I check that?
12:08 drojf
12:10 drojf a 'ps aux | grep zebra' could be a start. also it would be good to know what kind of installation you are using. are you using ebian packages (on debian or ubuntu)?
12:10 mveron octo19:Maybe you see on the About page a Tab "System information". If yes, the Tab "Server information" should say something about your Zebra server not running. Not sure, maybe this was introduced in a later version.
12:11 drojf *debian packages
12:14 octo19 droif it looks like it is running...we are using debian.
12:14 mveron the zebra server status on that page seems to be normal...it tells me what version of zebra, etc.
12:15 * mveron Has a meeting, sorry
12:27 cait drojf: was introduced later i think
12:27 hm mveron i meant
12:28 octo19: updating in general might be a good idea since your version is quite old, but it might not solve your issues
12:28 sounds like the problem might be in your setup
12:29 octo19 I think updating is my next step...I'll try that and see what happens
12:29 cait if you save records and can't search for them - the problem is most likely the zebra not being set up correctly
12:30 an update wouldn't fix that - but it's still not necessarily a bad idea
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12:34 magnuse hola tcohen
12:34 tcohen hi magnuse
12:34 cait hola tcohen
12:35 tcohen akafred: yes, they presented it on KohaCon14
12:35 hi cait
12:36 octo19 so zebra controls the index and library entry portion of Koha?
12:36 cait your records are saved into the database
12:36 but in order to find them again, you need zebra
12:36 octo19 ah ok
12:37 cait tcohen: nice photos :)
12:37 octo19 if it wasn't obvious, I was not the one who set this up :)
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12:47 magnuse hiya Dyrcona - i see you have been working on rangi's NCIPServer?
12:47 Dyrcona It's more like he was working on mine, but whatevs.... He just got there first. :)
12:48 We need to merge the two branches and change his code to conform to how I altered the calling conventions.
12:49 magnuse: Did you have any particular question in mind?
12:49 magnuse yeah, that was what i wanted to ask you about
12:50 if you had a plan for reconciling your work
12:50 i plan to contribute to/work on that code in the next 2-3 months, and it would be nice to have unified base to work on
12:51 Dyrcona OK. We'll have to bug rangi about it later to see who will do what and when.
12:51 I'd prefer he do the Koha side of things, 'cause I don't really know Koha that well.
12:52 magnuse at least not as well as rangi, eh? ;-)
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12:52 Dyrcona Not nearly as well as rangi... ;)
12:52 magnuse hehe
12:52 do you think it will take a lot of work?
12:53 Dyrcona A few hours, I'd imagine.
12:53 I could do it as long as I'm careful to make sure that the same data goes to the same calls.
12:53 I don't really have a system to test it with though, just Evergreen.
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12:58 magnuse Dyrcona: would you prefer to nag rangi into doing it?
12:58 Dyrcona I could, or it might mean more coming from you, particularly since you want to work on it.
12:59 It's tricky sometimes coordinating with the time zone differences, and it might be easier for me in that respect.
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13:00 magnuse yeah, i have very little overlap with rangi. but i could try and nag a little
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13:01 magnuse and what needs to be done is merge the branch user/dyrcona/better_abstraction into master?
13:01 Dyrcona Yeah.
13:02 I'd probably make a new branch based on that one to make the Koha changes and then merge the new branch.
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13:20 magnuse Dyrcona: am i right in thinking that the ncipserver currently only really supports http(s), and that the raw support is really just a placeholder (# place holder code, just echo at the moment)?
13:20 Dyrcona Yes, that is correct.
13:21 I don't think anyone actually does raw NCIP.
13:21 All of the implementations I've ever seen use HTTP(S) as the carrier.
13:22 magnuse ok, thanks
13:22 just making sure i don't misinterpret something
13:23 Dyrcona No problem.
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13:49 drojf hello again :)
13:51 mveron hello drojf  :-)
13:57 drojf got more questions about ILL in koha in the webinar. i think it's a deal breaker :/
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13:58 magnuse drojf: have you seen the work ptfs-europe have been doing?
13:59 drojf magnuse: not sure
13:59 where would i find that?
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14:03 drojf magnuse: ah i guess you mean http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/ILL_Module
14:05 at the moment i am not sure what to do for ILL germany. it seems to be all based on a proprietary format. it's great when the ILL servers and ILS come from the same vendor ^^
14:07 magnuse yup, correct wiki page
14:07 yeah, i don't know how things work in germany
14:07 cait was part of our ill discussion in marseille, so she probably has some thoughts about it
14:10 cait huh?
14:10 my head is not working today
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14:11 magnuse cait: what would it take for koha to support german ill, and is the work done by ptfse a step in the right direction
14:11 i think that was the question...
14:12 cait there is not a general standard i think as it depends how you do ill and with which sevice center you are working
14:12 magnuse awesome!
14:12 wahanui That'll be $1 for the awesome jar, magnuse
14:12 cait i think generally it's looking interesting
14:12 but hard to tell how much we could use easily
14:14 drojf cait: my findings are that slnp is standard procedure, proprietary and owned by oclc. and there is some kind of email template if slnp cannot be used.
14:15 i am not sure how the email thingy works but it sounds pretty oldschool and not really like automation
14:15 cait yeah it hink you can't put slnp into koha
14:15 it would have to be a plugin or something... probably not public
14:16 unless you can get agreement from oclc
14:16 drojf i sent oclc an email asking about documentation and implementation in free software ;)
14:16 * drojf is young and wild
14:16 drojf lol
14:16 cait and?
14:16 drojf no answer yet
14:16 but it was just 2 days ago
14:17 i will ask wildau too. they use sisis sunrise, that's where slnp comes from. it may be possible they are doing some secret stuff about that
14:18 anyway i think it's pretty bad to use a proprietary standard for that :(
14:19 magnuse drojf++
14:19 libraries should not use proprietary standards. end of discussion.
14:23 drojf cait: have you done migrations from bibliotheca2000 to koha?
14:23 cait we will, but not yet
14:24 drojf looks like it was never mentioned on the mailing list
14:27 i wonder if i should hand in a talk for bibliothekartag 2016 titled something like "open access, open source, open fernleihe? use an open ILL protocol already"
14:28 * magnuse cheers drojf on
14:28 drojf heh :)
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15:22 * Nicole C. Engard: add hea cron
15:22 * Nicole C. Engard: add links to cron to usagestats prefs
15:22 * Nicole C. Engard: update implementation checklist
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17:07 * ashimema scrabbles for wine gums
17:20 cait drojf: do you have chocolate too?
17:22 drojf cait: not today. but way too salty potato chips. crisps for the british part of the channel ;)
17:22 cait hm ok
17:22 * cait runs off with the ptoato chips
17:23 drojf hey! :D
17:24 be careful. they are really salty. meh
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18:10 mtompset Greetings, #koha.
18:10 @seen gmcharlt
18:10 huginn mtompset: gmcharlt was last seen in #koha 1 day, 6 hours, 5 minutes, and 32 seconds ago: <gmcharlt> slef++
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18:59 mveron Hi again #koha
19:00 drojf hi mveron
19:00 wahanui hi mveron are you ther yet
19:00 mveron hi drojf
19:00 drojf i followupped bug 13826
19:00 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=13826 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Signed Off , OPAC: Display RSS icon on list of recent comments
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19:00 drojf maybe you want so signoff too
19:01 because i added a slash
19:01 i squashed it together
19:02 mveron Oh, thanks. It was to early in he morning....
19:04 * cait is still trying to read the meeting minutes
19:04 cait very slow today
19:04 drojf mveron: to test just see if the text after the rss icon is the same size (it was bigger with your patch)
19:05 mveron drojf: Yeah, looks OK now...
19:09 mtompset Greetings, mveron drojf cait.
19:09 mveron Hi mtompset :-)
19:09 drojf hi mtompset
19:10 * mveron ...goes back to Bug 13813 ...  Still lot stuff to be done...
19:10 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=13813 normal, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Remove deprecated module C4::Dates from system
19:10 mtompset Anyone have ideas on how to tweak a string into a utf8 one?
19:12 drojf mveron++ # wow you already did a lot of them
19:12 mveron :-)
19:14 drojf: This set is easy to test, because the patches do not depend from each other.
19:17 mtompset: What do you want to do?
19:18 mtompset mveron: I have an XLS spreadsheet. There are some funky characters in it.
19:18 I am using Spreadsheet::ParseExcel to read it.
19:18 And then building a MARCXML file.
19:19 the problem is these characters aren't being read/converted properly.
19:19 For example.
19:19 Gazlavay a wuɗndakwar kalah, Yaa sərkakwa mey ŋga Gazlavay = Dieu nous aime beaucoup, Nous apprenons la Parole de Dieu
19:19 That's what Dumper should show.
19:20 Gazlavay a wuWndakwar kalah, Yaa sYrkakwa mey Kga Gazlavay = Dieu nous aime beaucoup, Nous apprenons la Parole de Dieu
19:20 That is what Dumper does show
19:20 The W, for example, is a CTRL+B and W.
19:22 mveron mtompset: I would try to save from Excel to a csv file and see what happens there. Or open / save it with LibreOffice with various settings.
19:22 Is it just one file or is it a repeating task?
19:22 * mveron does not like Excel very much
19:25 mtompset Not helpful... the CSV loses the information.
19:25 drojf mtompset: http://perldoc.perl.org/Encode.html ?
19:26 mtompset That's only partly helped?
19:26 I did look there.
19:26 I got one string working, but not all of them.
19:26 drojf hrm
19:27 encoding is one of the worst problems of our time ;)
19:27 mtompset AMEN to that!
19:30 mveron mtompset: But it displays OK in Excel?
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19:31 mtompset Yes.
19:31 mveron Maybe http://stackoverflow.com/quest[…]when-saving-files
19:33 They say that thre is a bug in Excel, workaround is use OpenOffice Calc and then export as CSV file (edit filter settings, choose UTF-8 encoding).
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19:37 mtompset I'll try something later. Schedule is demanding I go pick up my wife.
19:37 Thanks for the ideas at least.
19:37 mveron Welcome :-)
19:37 mtompset Have a great day, #koha mveron drojf cait
19:39 * magnuse waves again
19:40 mveron Hi magnuse
19:41 magnuse hiya mveron
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20:52 mveron Good night / daytime #koha
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21:07 magnuse rangi: around?
21:08 rangi yup
21:08 morning
21:11 magnuse kia ora!
21:12 rangi: do you have plans for how to merge the work Dyrcona has done on NCIPserver into master?
21:17 specifically the user/dyrcona/better_abstraction branch
21:17 rangi its a matter of round tuit
21:17 i have tests in t/
21:17 they need to be increased
21:17 then merge the changes, and check all the tests still pass, and fix where they dont
21:17 is the basic plan
21:18 its unlikely to happen in the nearish future as i have no funding to do more ncip work
21:18 magnuse i'll send you some tuits when i find mine
21:18 rangi and i have more interesting thigns to do in my free time :)
21:18 yeah that all looks good to me
21:18 magnuse lol
21:19 rangi (the better abstraction)
21:19 magnuse i have had some trouble getting the tests to run, but i probably have to play a bit more with environment variables
21:20 i need to add some more services, so it would be nice to do that on top of a consolidated project...
21:21 oh and i found a bug in templates/problem.tt - the nesting of xml elements and tt directives is a little off
21:22 so at least if there is no processingerror, the output is not well formed xml
21:22 rangi ah yep
21:24 magnuse would you like me to email you patches for things like that, or put the code on gitorious and get pull requests or wuld you rather not be bothered?
21:26 rangi patches would be fine
21:26 i need to set up gitorious.koha-community.org one day
21:26 but that wont be today
21:26 sometime before they turned it off tho
21:26 magnuse or maybe Dyrcona would like to take the lead...
21:26 turned it off?
21:27 rangi http://thenextweb.com/insider/[…]will-shut-june-1/
21:27 magnuse ouch
21:27 rangi least its agpvl3 so i can just run my own
21:27 magnuse yay!
21:27 rangi manage if they turned off github
21:27 imagine even
21:27 (they are turning off google code)
21:27 too
21:27 magnuse hehe, yeah, that would not be good...
21:27 rangi http://google-opensource.blogs[…]-google-code.html
21:28 magnuse wow
21:29 even more people going to github then, probably
21:30 oh rangi, one more thing about ncip... did you say NCIPServer as it stands today can only act as a server, not a client?
21:30 rangi thats right
21:30 magnuse (not sure those are the correct terms for ncip)
21:30 hm, i need it to be both
21:31 that will probably be interesting...
21:31 rangi you want it to initiate ncip requests too?
21:31 magnuse yup
21:31 rangi id do that as a separate project
21:31 they are quite different
21:32 but you might subtree in the NCIP libs
21:32 there are a lot of ncip clients already
21:33 magnuse hm, i'll have to do some more research on that, then
21:33 rangi basically a client just writes xml messages
21:33 and sends them to a server
21:34 and gets another xml message back
21:35 magnuse sounds simple enough - how hard can it be ;-)
21:35 rangi heh
21:36 for koha, id do it with TT
21:37 magnuse yeah, i like that approach
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21:41 eythian hi
21:41 magnus_mobile sorry about that, laptop ran out of juice
21:42 eythian @wunder nzwn
21:42 huginn eythian: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 21.0°C (10:30 AM NZDT on March 13, 2015). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 68%. Dew Point: 15.0°C. Pressure: 29.95 in 1014 hPa (Steady).
21:44 magnus_mobile @wunder boo
21:44 huginn magnus_mobile: The current temperature in Bodo Vi, Norway is 3.0°C (10:00 PM CET on March 12, 2015). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 52%. Dew Point: -4.0°C. Pressure: 30.42 in 1030 hPa (Falling).
21:47 magnus_mobile thanks for your input rangi. i better catch some sleep
21:47 have fun!
21:47 rangi sleep well
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22:12 * rtm slaps burdsjm around a bit with a large fishbot
22:13 rtm hello
22:13 burdsjm hello!
22:13 rtm Hi!
22:13 this is an active channel?
22:13 eythian yep
22:13 burdsjm yep
22:13 eythian sometimes, anyway
22:14 rtm you discuss here problems and questions about koha?
22:14 burdsjm it's more of a read this chat and question my choice of profession
22:14 channel
22:14 absolutely
22:14 rtm ok
22:15 thanks
22:15 burdsjm I do more in the ByWater Support channel
22:15 rtm i will check the channel logs
22:15 burdsjm Who is your provider?
22:15 rtm no
22:15 burdsjm then this is it :)
22:16 rtm i'm just interested in learning about koha
22:16 ok :)
22:17 burdsjm well welcome!
22:17 wahanui Welcome to zombo.com
22:17 rtm thanks
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22:19 eythian it does sound that way, yeah
22:20 hmm, I'm losing some messages from the koha list
22:21 rangi getting spam filtered?
22:21 i got all of the recent ones
22:22 eythian one was
22:22 e.g. that 'database error' thread, I'm missing my reply and David's first reply, but got his second.
22:24 rangi hmm i seem to have them all
22:25 eythian weird
22:32 PabloAB Hi
22:32 eythian hi
22:32 wahanui bonjour, eythian
22:32 PabloAB I recently add a new bug report (13829 Syntax highlighter on source code textareas). Just playing around now...
22:33 eythian bug 13829
22:33 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=13829 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Syntax highlighter on source code textareas
22:33 eythian not a bad idea
22:33 PabloAB I cant find a syspref or easy/elegant way to add a jquery plugin to head html tag...
22:34 eythian I don't know if the head block is user modifiable
22:34 PabloAB befor jumping directly to code
22:36 hmm, that's what I'm looking for .Then I can just add CSS and JS code via sysprefs
22:36 rangi nope afaik the head is in an include
22:36 i dont think you can touch it with a syspref
22:39 PabloAB Just for a moment I thought jquery/plugins/jquery.highlight-3.js could help me... maybe this plugin could be replaced for other one that do the full job
22:39 rangi perhaps yep
22:39 PabloAB anyway, thanks a lot for the answer :)
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