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| 00:04 | drojf left #koha | |
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| 00:41 | * eythian | <- pizza |
| 00:47 | dcook | O_O |
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| 01:21 | eythian | http://blogs.perl.org/users/ov[…]-6-and-cobol.html <-- oh, that's actually really cool |
| 01:23 | rangi | that is |
| 02:14 | dcook | Gotta love that moment when you think to yourself "But... but... that hash key is supposed to exist!" |
| 02:15 | And you forget that you actually purposely deleted that key for an earlier test... *facepalm* | |
| 02:21 | Also love the subtle difference between exists and defined | |
| 02:21 | Well, maybe it's not subtle. Just important. | |
| 02:22 | eythian | important, yes :) |
| 02:22 | dcook | :D |
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| 06:19 | bag | morning cait |
| 06:22 | cait | hi bag |
| 06:33 | magnuse | bag: HI |
| 06:33 | bag | magnuse: HI |
| 06:33 | * magnuse | waves to the rest of #koha too |
| 06:34 | magnuse | bag: starting to adjust to cet? |
| 06:35 | bag | nah |
| 06:35 | thanks for the reminder magnuse I shall head to bed | |
| 06:35 | magnuse++ | |
| 06:40 | magnuse | :-) |
| 06:41 | * magnuse | didn't mean to scare bag off |
| 07:08 | magnuse | anyone else seeing speed problems after upgrading to apache2:amd64 2.2.22-13+deb7u4? |
| 07:13 | dcook | I don't have anything relevant to add to that question :) |
| 07:13 | But *waves* | |
| 07:15 | * magnuse | waves back |
| 07:15 | dcook | How's it going, magnuse? |
| 07:16 | cait | magnuse: no but it sounds scary |
| 07:16 | bbl | |
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| 07:21 | magnuse | well, the speed of my koha servers is bothering me at the moment |
| 07:21 | after i upgraded to 3.18.3 | |
| 07:22 | based on timing of upgrades and deterioration of two different servers, it looks like apache is the most likely culprit | |
| 07:24 | dcook | :( |
| 07:30 | magnuse | looks like i managed to downgrade on the test server now - will have to wait a bit to see how that plays out |
| 07:35 | dcook | magnuse: I'm rather curious to hear how you go! |
| 07:35 | I should really go home though.. | |
| 07:38 | magnuse | yeah, guess it is that time of the day :-) |
| 07:56 | libland | morning #koha |
| 07:59 | magnuse | tjänare libland |
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| 08:01 | * libland | fnissar |
| 08:01 | libland | Hallå där, magnuse |
| 08:01 | alex_a | bonjour |
| 08:01 | magnuse | :-) |
| 08:01 | libland | cold morning it is |
| 08:01 | magnuse | @wunder boo |
| 08:01 | huginn | magnuse: Error: timed out |
| 08:02 | * magnuse | looks quizzically at huginn |
| 08:03 | magnuse | libland: looks like we have the same temp, about +1C? |
| 08:04 | libland | Around -4 over here - crispy clear weather in the middle of the Baltic Sea |
| 08:04 | magnuse | cool :-) |
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| 08:05 | reiveune | hello |
| 08:06 | libland | Hey reiveune |
| 08:06 | wahanui | i heard reiveune was working for biblibre |
| 08:06 | dcook | salut reiveune |
| 08:06 | * dcook | lied to magnuse |
| 08:06 | dcook | I didn't go home.. |
| 08:07 | But I am now! | |
| 08:07 | Really! | |
| 08:07 | Probably! | |
| 08:07 | * dcook | scampers off |
| 08:07 | reiveune | hi libland, dcook magnuse rangi |
| 08:08 | magnuse | dcook: i'll believe it when i see it ;-) |
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| 08:09 | magnuse | libland: do you know Viktor Sarge? i tried to introduce you yesterday, but you were afk, i think |
| 08:11 | libland | Never met him - but sure heard of him, and read some interviews. |
| 08:11 | laurence joined #koha | |
| 08:11 | magnuse | cool, he hangs out here some times, as Viktor |
| 08:11 | libland | I was introduced to Koha one week ago - been on other assignments |
| 08:12 | ;) | |
| 08:12 | Joubu | hello #koha |
| 08:12 | libland | Hey Joubu |
| 08:16 | magnuse | libland: and now you are installing koha? if so, i hope you are using the debian packages :-) |
| 08:18 | libland | Eh, are there other packages than Debian? |
| 08:18 | magnuse | nope :-) |
| 08:18 | libland | hah |
| 08:18 | * libland | looks confused and amused |
| 08:18 | magnuse | dcook: gah, downgrading apache did nothing for my performance |
| 08:19 | i just think "debian packages" is a bit more precise than "packages" :-) | |
| 08:20 | libland | it is. :) |
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| 08:26 | fridolin | hie all |
| 08:27 | Joubu | magnuse: what's your perf issue? |
| 08:27 | libland | hey fridolin |
| 08:29 | magnuse | Joubu: after i upgraded to 3.18.3 (and upgraded the other packages on the server at the same time), koha has been really slow |
| 08:30 | Joubu | by "koha" you mean everything? |
| 08:30 | not search or acq or a specific module? | |
| 08:30 | magnuse | no, it seems to be everything |
| 08:30 | and load on the server has also been higher | |
| 08:31 | Joubu | from which version did you upgrade? |
| 08:32 | magnuse | 3.16.7 |
| 08:33 | you can see when the upgrade happened here: http://div.libriotech.no/files[…]oadtime-month.png | |
| 08:33 | Joubu | outch |
| 08:34 | it's a test server, that's it? | |
| 08:34 | magnuse | nope, this is my production server |
| 08:34 | Joubu | arf |
| 08:35 | magnuse | something happened to the usage of mamcached too: http://div.libriotech.no/files[…]d_bytes-month.png |
| 08:36 | at first i suspected i missed some mysql tweaks after upgrading, but more tweaking did not have an effect | |
| 08:37 | Joubu | It would have been worth to checkout back the 3.16 branch and confirm it comes from Koha (or not) |
| 08:37 | magnuse | then i noticed that my test and prod servers for koha got updated a few days apart, and the problem seemed to coincide with the upgrade of apache, but downgrading did not have an effect |
| 08:37 | Joubu | but it's not a good idea in production :) |
| 08:37 | magnuse | :-) |
| 08:38 | kivilahtio | magnuse: I feel bad for you, if that help :( |
| 08:38 | Joubu | ha, so you have the same behavior on a test server? |
| 08:38 | libland | Got the same experience here. Though I blamed it on my server hardware in combination with my lack of knowledge/experience with Koha. |
| 08:38 | *blame - I still do | |
| 08:38 | magnuse | Joubu: well, test in the sense that it is running my "free koha" instances, not paying customers |
| 08:39 | libland: you upgraded and got worse response times too? | |
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| 08:40 | gaetan_B | hello |
| 08:41 | libland | No upgrade - installed Koha from scratch yesterday |
| 08:42 | magnuse | ah ok, and you think it is slow? |
| 08:42 | libland | hmm apparently I got Koha version 3.19.00.006 |
| 08:42 | It runs slow, yes | |
| 08:43 | got no experience with earlier versions, but it runs slow in a general sense | |
| 08:43 | magnuse | ok |
| 08:45 | kivilahtio | check out the NYTProfiler from dokuwiki |
| 08:45 | magnuse: NYTProf | |
| 08:45 | it's way too cool to not use! | |
| 08:46 | magnuse | :-) |
| 08:46 | not sure it will help here, though | |
| 08:51 | Joubu | you should follow bug 13645 and bug 13665 |
| 08:51 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=13645 normal, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Signed Off , DBIx connection needs to be cached |
| 08:51 | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=13665 major, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Retrieve facets from zebra is slow | |
| 08:59 | magnuse | yeah, i was thinking of the zebra facets |
| 09:01 | i run off the packages, so <use_zebra_facets>1</use_zebra_facets> has not automatically been added to all the koha-conf.xml's - i guess that means the sites are not using zebra for the facets? | |
| 09:03 | and it should not affect things like checking out anyway | |
| 09:04 | unless the facets are so resource consuming, it leads to higher load and everything else slowing down | |
| 09:06 | Joubu | magnuse: yes, you have to have the use_zebra_facets set to 1 to use zebra for facets |
| 09:06 | magnuse: IMO bug 13645 should be pushed asap in 3.18 | |
| 09:06 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=13645 normal, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Signed Off , DBIx connection needs to be cached |
| 09:07 | Joubu | but it could be useful to have other feedbacks |
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| 09:18 | magnuse | Joubu: that will affect all of koha, not just acquisition, right? |
| 09:19 | who can/will qa it? ashimema? khall? | |
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| 09:42 | magnuse | i tried applying the changes from 13645 on my test server, will see how that turns out |
| 10:04 | akafred joined #koha | |
| 10:07 | ashimema | I'm up to the gazoos at the minute.. |
| 10:08 | I'll try to take a look during lunch perhaps.. that's the earliest I can even attempt to.. but I'm not exactly sure what I'm looking for there... it's not a bug i've been keeping track of | |
| 10:09 | magnuse | ashimema: maybe Joubu can bring you up to speed |
| 10:09 | ashimema | yeah.. i'll grab him for a chat later.. |
| 10:09 | currently multi-tasking too much already.. got a phone going in each ear at the moment. | |
| 10:12 | those graphs are alarming magnuse.. | |
| 10:12 | that kinda syncs with that long thread the paul a has been chasing on list. | |
| 10:13 | though I think he's entirely concerned about zebra's speed | |
| 10:14 | magnuse | yeah, there is more than zebra going on here, i think |
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| 10:29 | akafred | Not entirely scientific, but it seems a test suite we ran in 7-8 mins on Koha 3.16, took 10-11 mins after upgrading to 3.18. |
| 10:30 | Joubu | yes but we increased the number of tests too :) |
| 10:31 | magnuse | these are integration tests that opl have written |
| 10:31 | Joubu | or you are not talking about the test suite of Koha |
| 10:32 | akafred: could you identify precisely some tests? | |
| 10:32 | I meant some tests are slower and others not, or all tests are slower. | |
| 10:33 | or you don't know because you have launched the time diff on all the test suite | |
| 10:33 | akafred | Nope, not Koha's test suite. Koha is just one component. But we didn't change anything but the Koha compponent between these runs. |
| 10:37 | Joubu | akafred: Could you list the actions the test suite does? |
| 10:40 | akafred | The tests navigate Koha, adds libraries, item types, patrons, books and removes them again. Simple stuff, little use of Zebra. I don't have detailed enough logs to pinpoint anything in particular, but it seems things generally are slower. |
| 10:41 | Joubu | akafred: Did you upgrade other debian packages too, or only Koha? |
| 10:42 | akafred | I'll have a look ... |
| 10:44 | (The tests are expressed in Norwegian Gherkin ... https://github.com/digibib/ls.[…]cf/test/features) | |
| 10:45 | Joubu | sorry, akafred, I forgot you were a magnuse coworker |
| 10:45 | the the deb packages have been upgraded :) | |
| 10:45 | akafred | No, actually, we don't do things the same way :-) |
| 10:46 | Joubu | but... the speed issues appear on the same server or another one? |
| 10:47 | (the same as magnuse posted a loadtime graph) | |
| 10:48 | anyway, not important. We have speed issues on 3.18 too | |
| 10:48 | akafred | Nope. Those ar LibrioTech productino server stats, I think. My numbers are from our CI server. |
| 10:49 | Yep, there are issues. I'll try to find out what we changed ... | |
| 10:49 | Joubu | akafred: did you have use_zebra_facets set in your koha conf file? |
| 10:49 | s/did/do | |
| 10:56 | akafred | I cannot find that we have specified use_zebra_facets at all ... |
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| 11:05 | akafred | We have Docker containers with the exact Koha installs we used, I think ... |
| 11:16 | Joubu | akafred: `grep use_zebra_facets $KOHA_CONF` should tell you if it's enabled or not |
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| 11:34 | akafred | joubu: no hits on that grep |
| 11:34 | Joubu: Package lists pre/post 3.18-upgrade: https://gist.github.com/akafre[…]43390a00bfcf7d14c | |
| 11:38 | Joubu | so no apache upgrade (cc magnuse ^) |
| 11:39 | It could be good to have a benchmark tool to launch on different versions of Koha... | |
| 11:43 | akafred | Updated the gist with how I obtained those package lists. |
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| 12:29 | magnuse | khall++ for pqa on bug 13645 |
| 12:29 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=13645 normal, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Passed QA , DBIx connection needs to be cached |
| 12:29 | khall | np! |
| 12:29 | I saw the chatter from earlier and it piqued my interest | |
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| 12:32 | ashimema | cheers khall.. |
| 12:33 | you've saved me a job ;) | |
| 12:33 | khall | lol, np! |
| 12:44 | * cait | waves |
| 12:49 | khall | mornin cait! |
| 12:50 | cait | morning khall :) |
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| 13:27 | tcohen | morning |
| 13:29 | oleonard | Hi tcohen and #koha |
| 13:29 | tcohen | hi oleonard |
| 13:34 | magnuse | ¡hola tcohen y oleonard! |
| 13:34 | tcohen: Joubu thinks bug 13645 should make it's way into master (and 3.18.x) as soon as possible ;-) | |
| 13:34 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=13645 normal, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Passed QA , DBIx connection needs to be cached |
| 13:35 | * tcohen | is adding that to today's agenda |
| 13:36 | oleonard | tcohen: Unfortunately I haven't been able to work on the installer template work I started |
| 13:37 | In fact I haven't had any time for Koha lately, or for the near future :( | |
| 13:37 | tcohen | no worries oleonard, if someone steps into that, would you provide your advise? |
| 13:37 | oleonard | Sure |
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| 13:42 | magnuse | is there a bug in bugzilla for that? just curious |
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| 13:44 | tcohen | oleonard had some mockups |
| 13:44 | screenshots | |
| 13:44 | wahanui | screenshots are best |
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| 13:46 | oleonard | Yeah I don't think I filed a bug for it because I was kinda just playing around with it |
| 13:47 | http://www.screencast.com/t/rvlz4s3ma | |
| 13:47 | I wanted to test Bootstrap 3 and tinker with the installer workflow at the same time (strictly template-side) | |
| 13:48 | magnuse | looking good! |
| 13:49 | btw, i always felt the webinstaller had a few too many clicks in it, but that is outside the scope of that work, of course :-) | |
| 13:52 | ashimema | hey oleanard.. do you happen to know how to get the current row on click in a datatables column |
| 13:52 | cait | oleonard++ :) |
| 13:52 | oleonard | No ashimema not off the top of my head |
| 13:53 | ashimema | k.. no worries.. |
| 13:53 | I'm usre I had it working.. but this mroning it's failing me again | |
| 13:53 | I'll get there .. | |
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| 14:31 | tcohen | hi ashimema |
| 14:31 | ashimema | hi tcohen |
| 14:34 | cool.. | |
| 14:34 | It was quicker to get the groups in an auth list in code than it was to turn it back into a text field.. | |
| 14:34 | hope that's OK.. | |
| 14:34 | should be simple enough to load into both tables regardless in the back end. | |
| 14:35 | cait | gmcharlt: ping? :) |
| 14:35 | ashimema | oops.. |
| 14:35 | wrong window | |
| 14:35 | cait | heh |
| 14:35 | sounds interesting :) | |
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| 14:47 | ashimema | did validatePayment ever work in the payments page.. |
| 14:47 | I can't find a js function defined for it anywhere.. | |
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| 14:48 | ashimema | seeing console errors for it that i don't think i've noticed before.. but then I was probably never looking before |
| 14:48 | cait | hm git blame? |
| 14:48 | wahanui | git blame is handy, but it's just one tool in our debugging arsenal |
| 14:48 | ashimema | blame show a couple of commit's that added to the lines.. |
| 14:49 | but not the commit that inserted the validate.. | |
| 14:49 | whihc leads me to another question | |
| 14:49 | cait | not a good sign, mayb really old |
| 14:49 | ashimema | anyone know if you can do a blame that steps back further commits in some way.. |
| 14:49 | not somthing i've tried before.. | |
| 14:49 | i.e. blame.. damn... that change isn't the one I'm looking for.. blame before commit.. | |
| 14:49 | I tihnk i've just answered myself there.. | |
| 14:50 | I bet blame will take a commit hash somehow.. blame filecommit or some such syntax |
|
| 14:51 | jcamins | ashimema: git blame commit^ -- file |
| 14:53 | ashimema | chere jacamins |
| 14:53 | jcamins even | |
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| 14:55 | ashimema | gotta love git. |
| 14:56 | Seems i can blame Colin for this one.. though I'm not sure how.. looks like he wrote the file with it in the first place | |
| 14:56 | back in 2011 | |
| 14:56 | and even then there was no functino defined for it.. | |
| 14:57 | that's upsetting that it's taken 4 years to notice it | |
| 15:00 | tcohen | are people ready for the meeting? |
| 15:01 | cait | no |
| 15:01 | :) | |
| 15:01 | * magnuse | might catch the first few minutes |
| 15:01 | cait | but we can start anyway? :) |
| 15:01 | bensinober | not speaking for everyone else, but yes |
| 15:01 | cait | bensinober: thx for sip testing :) |
| 15:02 | bensinober | no worries ;) |
| 15:02 | * barton | is here with bells on. |
| 15:03 | cait | tcohen: do you want me to chair? |
| 15:03 | barton | ... although another cup o coffe wouldn't hurt. |
| 15:03 | tcohen | please |
| 15:03 | cait | ok one sec |
| 15:03 | tcohen | http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]g_5_February_2015 |
| 15:03 | cait | #startmeeting IRC Development Meeting 5 February, part 1 |
| 15:03 | huginn | Meeting started Thu Feb 5 15:03:52 2015 UTC. The chair is cait. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. |
| 15:03 | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | |
| 15:03 | Topic for #koha is now (Meeting topic: IRC Development Meeting 5 February, part 1) | |
| 15:03 | huginn | The meeting name has been set to 'irc_development_meeting_5_february__part_1' |
| 15:03 | barton | Coffee: |=============>|.....| 75 % |
| 15:03 | cait | welcome |
| 15:03 | wahanui | Welcome to zombo.com |
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| 15:04 | cait | #introductions |
| 15:04 | please introduce yourself with #info | |
| 15:04 | tcohen | #info Tomas Cohen Arazi, Universidad Nacional de Cordoba |
| 15:04 | NateC | #info |
| 15:04 | woops | |
| 15:04 | barton | #info Barton Chittenden, Bywater Solutions, Louisville KY, USA |
| 15:04 | bensinober | #info Benjamin Rokseth, Oslo Public Library |
| 15:04 | cait | #info the agenda for today's meeting can be found at http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]g_5_February_2015 |
| 15:04 | NateC | s |
| 15:04 | bag | #info Brendan Gallagher ByWater Solutions |
| 15:04 | cait | #info Katrin Fischer, BSZ |
| 15:04 | oleonard | #info Owen Leonard, Athens County Public Libraries, Ohio |
| 15:04 | NateC | #info Nate Curulla ByWater Solutions |
| 15:04 | edveal | #info Ed Veal, ByWater Solutions |
| 15:04 | jcamins | #info Jared Camins-Esakov, C & P Bibliography Services |
| 15:04 | barton | #info Coffee: |=============>|.....| 75 % |
| 15:05 | couldn't resist. | |
| 15:05 | cait | #topic RM 3.18 comments |
| 15:05 | Topic for #koha is now RM 3.18 comments (Meeting topic: IRC Development Meeting 5 February, part 1) | |
| 15:05 | * cait | hands the keyboard to tcohen |
| 15:05 | tcohen | 3.20? |
| 15:05 | cait | you are right, but the agenda was not updated :) |
| 15:06 | #topic RM 3.20 comments | |
| 15:06 | Topic for #koha is now RM 3.20 comments (Meeting topic: IRC Development Meeting 5 February, part 1) | |
| 15:06 | tcohen | it is |
| 15:06 | bag | magnuse: HI |
| 15:06 | cait | now :) |
| 15:06 | tcohen | oh |
| 15:07 | the agenda is missing the "deprecate Squeeze support" line | |
| 15:07 | ok, I'm worried about several stuff that is stuck | |
| 15:07 | most of it is on the next topic list | |
| 15:07 | we need to make a decision on how/what to catch | |
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| 15:08 | tcohen | it is a trade-off between the minimum possible db access vs reasonable invalidation |
| 15:08 | will discuss that later | |
| 15:08 | and there's also the recent problems with zebra's performance on the list | |
| 15:08 | tajoli | #info Hi Zeno Tajoli, Cineca (Italy) |
| 15:09 | tcohen | we are in talks with indexdata on some problems we found (dcook and I) |
| 15:09 | they promised a response | |
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| 15:10 | tcohen | but it seems that some important koha bits are not having enough attention |
| 15:10 | - plack support (what's missing needs devs to take a look) | |
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| 15:11 | tcohen | - searching (neither QP completeness or search performance have people worried/working on that) |
| 15:11 | magnuse | bag: HI |
| 15:11 | wahanui | bidet, magnuse |
| 15:11 | tcohen | I started some tests on optimizing/refactoring C4::Search::searchResults |
| 15:11 | * magnuse | wanders off |
| 15:11 | tajoli | we testing on bugs about QueryParsing ? |
| 15:11 | tcohen | but that's WIP, and we have stuff already on the pipe, i.e. bugs |
| 15:12 | khall | #info Kyle M Hall, ByWater Solutions |
| 15:12 | tcohen | welcome tajoli, nice to hear that |
| 15:12 | this is just general comments on what is worring me now | |
| 15:12 | ok, that's it for now | |
| 15:13 | GRS1 and non-XSLT view removal would ease the refactoring | |
| 15:13 | so, lets move forward, ciat | |
| 15:13 | cait | |
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| 15:13 | cait | ok |
| 15:13 | Joubu | #info Jonathan Druart, BibLibre |
| 15:13 | cait | any comments tho? |
| 15:14 | #topic REST API RFC | |
| 15:14 | Topic for #koha is now REST API RFC (Meeting topic: IRC Development Meeting 5 February, part 1) | |
| 15:14 | tcohen | ashimema: all yours |
| 15:14 | cait | #link http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]/New_REST_API_RFC |
| 15:14 | ashimema | ahh.. |
| 15:14 | khall | REST all the things! |
| 15:14 | ashimema | didn't realise thre was a meeting |
| 15:14 | talljoy | #info Joy Nelson ByWater Solutions |
| 15:15 | ashimema | #info Martin Renvoize, PTFS Europe |
| 15:15 | yeah.. beyond what we've said so far on that page this isn't much.. | |
| 15:15 | we're hoping to have a gathering to discus it as hackfest.. | |
| 15:15 | khall | I fail to see why we should move svc to svc_legacy, which will break existing services when we can just start fresh with /rest/v1/ |
| 15:15 | ashimema | I was hoping to find a time that means people across the world can join in a bit. |
| 15:16 | tcohen | khall: I agree |
| 15:16 | ashimema | I'm fine with that.. |
| 15:16 | bensinober | agree, versioning APIs are crucial |
| 15:16 | ashimema | 'twas Joubu's thought to shift it.. |
| 15:16 | tcohen | ashimema: I guess he wanted to keep /svc |
| 15:16 | besides the name.... | |
| 15:17 | Joubu: what's your experience with koha-resful regarding how you manage the routing? | |
| 15:17 | ashimema | I think the main thing is that we should be ancourages work in the new namespace.. and discourages work in the old as soon as we decide to go for it.. |
| 15:17 | Joubu | I don't have any experience with koha-restful |
| 15:17 | I didn't dev it | |
| 15:18 | koha-restful dev will be present at the Marseille hackfest, will be good to talk with them | |
| 15:18 | jeff | #info Jeff Godin, Traverse Area District Library (TADL) |
| 15:18 | bensinober | we have been using koha-restful some at OPL, though we are wondering about if its maintained |
| 15:18 | ashimema | definitely. |
| 15:18 | tcohen | what i'v seen about koha-restful |
| 15:18 | Joubu | bensinober: we used it, yes |
| 15:18 | we use it! | |
| 15:18 | jeff | serendipitously stumbling into this meeting and finding it interesting/potentially-relevant. :-) |
| 15:18 | tcohen | is that it is well organized, and has a single front-end script |
| 15:18 | ashimema | I think the real first stage in this is to get some good clear guidlines for it bashed out.. |
| 15:18 | tcohen | that handles the routing for each endpoint |
| 15:18 | Joubu | maybe not tested with koha 3.18 |
| 15:19 | bensinober | there are some issues on 3.16 and 3.18 both |
| 15:19 | ashimema | then no-one's in the dark with how things 'should' be done.. and the QA team have somthing to refer to when feeding back |
| 15:19 | tcohen | I think that's the way to go |
| 15:19 | khall | agreed. |
| 15:20 | tcohen | either using something like dancer, or mimicking koha-restful using CGI::Application::Dispatch or an equivalent solution |
| 15:20 | ashimema | koha-restful is compeletly self contained and doesn't really lend itself to inclusion in koha as is.. |
| 15:20 | khall | I really like Jesse Weaver's work |
| 15:20 | ashimema | having said that.. in some ways being self contained is nice |
| 15:20 | bensinober | as a sidenote, /svc is already used internally for patron lookup, preference settings etc. |
| 15:21 | but there is sparse documentation | |
| 15:21 | ashimema | Jesse's work is certainly rather nice.. though it's basically just a clone of a small aprt of what allot of other frameworks give you out of the box. i.e dancer, mojo etc |
| 15:21 | cait | ashimema: what would be your preference? building on jesse's or swtiching it to a framework? |
| 15:21 | ashimema | in the medium term I'd like to replace all the current internal use of svc with new rest stuff |
| 15:21 | cait | just a little worried about having a framework discussion :) |
| 15:22 | khall | ashimema: right. I'm 100% for the rest api being baked in to Koha |
| 15:22 | ashimema | I'm all for including Jesse's stuff.. |
| 15:22 | cait | and i'd like to see something inside koha as kyle says |
| 15:22 | Joubu: do you have a preference? | |
| 15:22 | bensinober | seems to me a good idea to join the work of Jesse w and build out a internal API that could have selected services exposed |
| 15:22 | ashimema | if we chose to use a framework it should be all or nothing... or we're just building ourselves into two corners again. |
| 15:22 | Joubu | not really |
| 15:23 | ashimema | jesse's stuff is nice.. as it take's some of the best bits of the frameworks and effectively backports them to our 'koha' framework. |
| 15:23 | tcohen | the question is |
| 15:24 | cait | ashimema: is it something we could shift to a framework later and have this as a first step? |
| 15:24 | tcohen | does #bywater have a schedule for it? |
| 15:24 | ashimema | I 'think' with Jesse's work, if we later wanted to port it to Dancer/mojo it wouldn't be an aweful job. |
| 15:24 | Jesse's given me the all clear to submit his work thus far tcohen ;) | |
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| 15:24 | cait | yay :) |
| 15:25 | tcohen | is there any sample implementation to look at? |
| 15:25 | ashimema | What I was going to do was split down his tree into a whole set of bugs.. 1 with the core module in.. then a bug for each svc we port.. |
| 15:25 | he was trying to do it all at once.. hense the hold up. | |
| 15:25 | * cait | dislikes all at once things |
| 15:25 | tcohen | ashimema: core + one sample endpoint implemented would be a good start |
| 15:25 | khall | ashimema: sounds like an excellent plan |
| 15:25 | ashimema | https://github.com/pianohacker[…]66a70ef5233fe9642 |
| 15:25 | tcohen | it could help eythian on his effort with patron management |
| 15:26 | cait | #link https://github.com/pianohacker[…]66a70ef5233fe9642 |
| 15:26 | ashimema | I'll be submitting cash management at some point.. and that relies heavily upon it.. showing good practice for three routes at least.. |
| 15:26 | bensinober | great idea |
| 15:26 | khall | I'd say bugs for Core -> New SysPref Servce -> Replace Old SysPref Service with New |
| 15:26 | ashimema | and i've also got some other examples I'll be posting along with it.. |
| 15:26 | khall.. defoo.. that's the best plan I reckon | |
| 15:27 | tcohen et al. were we ok with putting eythians patron api stuff in as is.. with the undertsnading that it'll be deprecated fairly quickly once we have had the restful debate at hackfest.. | |
| 15:27 | khall | I'd be more than happy to help write up some Koha REST api standards |
| 15:27 | ashimema | I'm happy doing the work to port it.. seeing as I've already got a half baked one here to play with ;) |
| 15:28 | khall.. seen the wiki page above? | |
| 15:28 | would certainly apreciate your input on it too.. | |
| 15:28 | cait | can i add actions? :) |
| 15:28 | ashimema | eat your heart out cait ;) |
| 15:28 | tcohen | ashimema: i don't have any problem with pushing eythian's work on /svc |
| 15:28 | cait | #action ashimema to submit patches for the new restful API - core + a sample |
| 15:28 | * ashimema | to fit this all around having baby ;) |
| 15:28 | bensinober | got to go, if there are anything to vote on, I'm good with ashimemas plan |
| 15:29 | khall | ashimema: yes, I think it's a very good base. Honestly, the more terse we can make it the better it will be followed |
| 15:29 | Joubu | maybe should we wait for the discussion at the hackfest before writing anything? |
| 15:29 | bensinober | see you in Marseille! |
| 15:29 | tcohen | please don't tie the new restful api to a new sysprefs service implementation |
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| 15:29 | cait | someone else i need to action? :) |
| 15:29 | trying to catch up reading | |
| 15:30 | #action khall volunteers helping out with the RFC and writing up some guidelines | |
| 15:30 | khall | tcohen: that was just an example, we can find something else as a starter |
| 15:30 | tcohen | khall: all good |
| 15:31 | maybe search ? :-D | |
| 15:31 | cait | maybe soemthing easy and existing? :) |
| 15:31 | adding a record? ) | |
| 15:31 | not sure | |
| 15:31 | ok | |
| 15:31 | moving on? | |
| 15:31 | khall | tcohen: what we really need is to get datatables to play well with a standard api instead of the special stuff it prefers |
| 15:31 | tcohen | angular |
| 15:31 | khall | angular |
| 15:31 | lol | |
| 15:31 | tcohen | we are all on the same track, moving on :-D |
| 15:32 | cait | #topic Zebra / Facet issues |
| 15:32 | Topic for #koha is now Zebra / Facet issues (Meeting topic: IRC Development Meeting 5 February, part 1) | |
| 15:32 | tcohen | Marseille will be really fun |
| 15:32 | cait | hopefully productive fun - but fun i am sure :) |
| 15:32 | khall | hackfest++ |
| 15:32 | cait | I'd like to add an obvervation here about zebra facets |
| 15:32 | tcohen | i've collected several stuff about the "zebra facets" feature i'd like to share |
| 15:32 | cait | tcohen goes first :) |
| 15:33 | tcohen | - they are problematic with the latest Zebra (2.0.59) already present in Testing |
| 15:34 | 2) their performance is not logaritmic on the amount of records you ask them ti be calculated on | |
| 15:34 | about (1) i'm in talks with indexdata, and will try to have something about it soon, so it doesn't catch us | |
| 15:35 | about (2) the preference facetNumRecs (present in zebra-biblios-dom.xml) is set to 1000 by default | |
| 15:36 | it was a good default, but it seems that large databases (more than 1M records) see some impact on speed. | |
| 15:36 | at UNC we see a gain in speed instead, but our databases are small (90K the bigger) | |
| 15:36 | Joubu | I have opened a bug report to explain what I have tried 2 days ago (bug 13665) |
| 15:36 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=13665 major, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Retrieve facets from zebra is slow |
| 15:36 | Joubu | tested on a 1M record DB |
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| 15:37 | tcohen | i'm experimenting with retrieving all facets at once, whch seems optimal, but need indexdata's feedback on two problems |
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| 15:38 | tcohen | a) there seems to be a bug that prevents retrieving more than 8 facets at once (they filled a bug ZEB-663 as per my request) |
| 15:39 | b) there's no current way to change the current behaviour of facet retrieval failing if some facet is not previously populated | |
| 15:39 | i'm working on both | |
| 15:39 | at once, heh | |
| 15:39 | it'd be great to have a sample DB with more than 1M records *with items* | |
| 15:39 | cait | tcohen++ |
| 15:39 | tcohen | to play with |
| 15:39 | I don't have it | |
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| 15:40 | cait | i have done some testing with facets and ran into somethings that confused me a little |
| 15:40 | 1) the facets changed with the sorting i chose | |
| 15:40 | 2) for a result set of 22 records it didn't list all itemtypes as facets that were present in the result set in some 'sort' cases | |
| 15:41 | if the default is set to 1000... i don#t se why this could happen yet | |
| 15:41 | it didn't onyl happen for itemtypes but also for other categoreis, just quite obvious there | |
| 15:41 | would be interested if there is an explanation yet or if people experience similar things in testing | |
| 15:41 | Joubu | 1: what was the number of result? > 1000? |
| 15:41 | cait | 22 |
| 15:42 | Joubu | weird |
| 15:42 | cait | yep |
| 15:42 | ashimema | I'm finding datatables really slow |
| 15:42 | Joubu | Are the facets sorted by "count" ? |
| 15:43 | tcohen | I couldn't reproduce cait's problem FTR |
| 15:43 | (talking about (2)) | |
| 15:44 | cait | i know - maybe we can just keep it in mind and an eye on it? |
| 15:44 | ok movingon? | |
| 15:44 | tajoli | there is also an other problem on Zebra: 'Zebra hyphen truncating search' on koha-devel |
| 15:44 | cait | anything to #info |
| 15:44 | tcohen | cait: did u get access to the z39.50 port? |
| 15:44 | cait | not yet |
| 15:44 | too busy today :( | |
| 15:44 | will see about it | |
| 15:44 | tcohen | to try the facet retrieval directly from zebra |
| 15:45 | cait | ready to move on? |
| 15:45 | tcohen | and spot possible Koha problem? |
| 15:45 | cait | i will try to arrange better testing or find samples in my dev database |
| 15:45 | #topic Non-XSLT removal | |
| 15:45 | tcohen | #action people that have issues with zebra facets, contact tcohen who will be looking at those |
| 15:45 | Topic for #koha is now Non-XSLT removal (Meeting topic: IRC Development Meeting 5 February, part 1) | |
| 15:46 | cait | :) |
| 15:46 | tcohen | Non-XSLT removal |
| 15:46 | it is already deprecated, since July 2014 | |
| 15:47 | #link http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=12561 | |
| 15:47 | huginn | 04Bug 12561: normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , Omnibus: Deprecate non-XSLT detail and result views |
| 15:47 | cait | does someone have the actions about this on hand? |
| 15:47 | i think i found another - the opac summary field in the itemtype configuration - that's non-xslt only? if used at all still? | |
| 15:48 | the problem with killing it is that we will have a feature loss for some libraries | |
| 15:48 | bug 13327 for example | |
| 15:48 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=13327 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , OPACPopupAuthorsSearch doesn't work with XSLT views |
| 15:48 | cait | or bug 11426 |
| 15:48 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=11426 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , Make HighlightOwnItemsOnOPAC work with XSLT |
| 15:48 | cait | khall: woudl you be able to port that to xslt? |
| 15:48 | tcohen | are they aware of its deprecation? concerned? |
| 15:49 | khall | cait: I think it'll have to be ported |
| 15:50 | I'm no xslt wizard though, so I don't know what it will involve | |
| 15:50 | tcohen | khall: is it just template stuff? |
| 15:51 | khall | tcohen: my guess is the hard part is getting the data to the xsl template |
| 15:51 | tcohen | specifically? |
| 15:51 | users-branch? | |
| 15:52 | khall | I can't give any specifics at the moment, I'll need to reappraise myself of the feature |
| 15:53 | cait | i think we maybe need a more comprehensive list - maybe lookint at the prefs on the normal views? |
| 15:53 | it's deprecated, but need to decide about features | |
| 15:53 | tcohen | it's all bloody mixed |
| 15:53 | cait | or maybe say they will get removed |
| 15:54 | can we set a deadline for next meeting to feed the bug with depending things? | |
| 15:54 | woudl someone volunteer to look at the code? | |
| 15:54 | looks like i did volunteer last time ... oops | |
| 15:54 | oleonard | So we know some things need to get ported, but does that block agreement on the plan to remove the normal view? |
| 15:54 | tcohen | i have no objections |
| 15:55 | cait | it's something we didn't do so far |
| 15:55 | breaking features :) | |
| 15:55 | but we could | |
| 15:55 | khall | I also have no objections. Growing pains are inevitable. But the advantage of only one view to update is worth it |
| 15:55 | cait | the question is if they will be ported before or after removal |
| 15:55 | oleonard | Not on purpose anyway cait |
| 15:55 | cait | true |
| 15:55 | khall | cait: before would also be preferred, but not required |
| 15:55 | cait | #action cait volunteers again to look into creating a better list of features missing from XSLT view |
| 15:56 | so can we have a vote | |
| 15:56 | ? | |
| 15:56 | tcohen | yes |
| 15:56 | cait | please vote on removal - keeping in mind that features might not be ported on time |
| 15:56 | barton | I second the movement to vote. |
| 15:56 | khall | +1 |
| 15:56 | oleonard | +1 |
| 15:56 | barton | +1 |
| 15:57 | Joubu | 0 |
| 15:57 | tajoli | 0 |
| 15:57 | cait | 0 |
| 15:57 | bag | hmmm hard one +1 |
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| 15:58 | cait | there is a second meeting scheduled |
| 15:58 | i will add the results as info | |
| 15:59 | tcohen | +1 |
| 15:59 | cait | #info voting results on code removal of non-XSLT views: 3x 0, 5x yes |
| 15:59 | moving on to another topic, hopefully easier :) | |
| 15:59 | tcohen | 0 is neutral? |
| 15:59 | cait | yeah |
| 15:59 | tcohen | ah,ok |
| 15:59 | cait | #topic GRS-1 removal |
| 15:59 | Topic for #koha is now GRS-1 removal (Meeting topic: IRC Development Meeting 5 February, part 1) | |
| 15:59 | cait | i thik we still don't have current problems with dom indexing, so this seems safer :) |
| 16:00 | any comments before the vote? | |
| 16:00 | tcohen | I'd like to hear from UNIMARC users |
| 16:00 | if they are using it, successfully | |
| 16:00 | Joubu | BibLibre customers still using grs1 |
| 16:01 | I use dom on my dev install, but I don't play with zebra indexes... | |
| 16:01 | tcohen | have you at least evaluated DOM UNIMARC setups? |
| 16:01 | Joubu | tcohen: yes, I think so |
| 16:01 | I let a note on a bug, don't remember when/where | |
| 16:02 | "I have just install an install with unimarc + dom, it works" | |
| 16:02 | cait | bug 12641 |
| 16:02 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=12641 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Formally deprecate the GRS-1 indexing mode |
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| 16:02 | cait | #info bug 12641 |
| 16:03 | Joubu: would you be ok with having a vote? | |
| 16:03 | tcohen | it is important to note GRS-1 has been deprecated on July 7 2014 |
| 16:03 | *23 | |
| 16:03 | Joubu | it was bug 9342 |
| 16:03 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9342 critical, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, RESOLVED FIXED, zebra UNIMARC dom indexing does not work |
| 16:03 | cait | #info GRS-1 has been deprecated on July 7 2014 |
| 16:03 | Joubu | paul_p agreed last meeting, so good to me |
| 16:03 | cait | ok |
| 16:04 | tcohen | i think we can have a vote |
| 16:04 | cait | so please vote on code removal of grs-1 code - making dom the only available option |
| 16:04 | tcohen | and UNIMARC users/providers are encouraged to report any issues |
| 16:04 | cait | +1 |
| 16:04 | tajoli | +1 |
| 16:04 | TGoat | good morning beautiful #koha peeps |
| 16:04 | Joubu | +& |
| 16:04 | barton | +1 |
| 16:04 | Joubu | +1 |
| 16:04 | tcohen | +1 |
| 16:04 | ablj | +1 |
| 16:04 | cait | #info UNIMARC and all other users are encouraged to report any issues with DOM indexing |
| 16:04 | khall | +1 |
| 16:04 | oleonard | 0 |
| 16:04 | tcohen | if there are remaining issues, they should be reported before Marseille's hackfest, so we can solve them |
| 16:05 | cait | #voting results on code removel of grs-1: 1x 0, 7x yes |
| 16:05 | #info please report before first week in march, so problems can be fixed at the hackfest in marseille | |
| 16:05 | moving on | |
| 16:06 | #topic Coding syntax preferences: $a->{b}{c} vs. $a->{b}->{c} | |
| 16:06 | Topic for #koha is now Coding syntax preferences: $a->{b}{c} vs. $a->{b}->{c} (Meeting topic: IRC Development Meeting 5 February, part 1) | |
| 16:06 | cait | #info bug 13240 for discussion |
| 16:06 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=13240 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Signed Off , advanced_notices.pl contains code obfuscation |
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| 16:07 | barton | I definitely prefer the second. |
| 16:07 | Joubu | I definitely prefer the first :) |
| 16:07 | cait | i don't have a preference |
| 16:08 | Joubu | But I really don't want to discuss years about that, it's really minor, IMO. |
| 16:08 | cait | i kind of agree there :) |
| 16:08 | tcohen | 0 for me |
| 16:08 | cait | i think we have worse things to battle :) |
| 16:08 | khall | agreed, but I also prefer the latter |
| 16:08 | cait | the qustion is: is this a qa fail or are we allowing both equally for now? |
| 16:08 | barton | I agree with all of the above ;-) |
| 16:08 | Joubu | Let's us do like we want? :) |
| 16:09 | tcohen | i think we can all adapt to either |
| 16:09 | we could just vote | |
| 16:09 | what does perlcritic say about this? | |
| 16:10 | Joubu | I switched from $$a{key}{bar} to $a->{foo}{bar}. It was already a big change :p |
| 16:10 | cait | please vote which you prefer: 1) $a->{b}{c} 2) $a->{b}->{c} 3) both shoudl be valid 4) no opinion |
| 16:10 | khall | 2 |
| 16:10 | Joubu | 3 |
| 16:10 | cait | 4 |
| 16:10 | tcohen | 4 |
| 16:10 | barton | 2 |
| 16:10 | ablj | 2 |
| 16:10 | Joubu | So we should also vote for $a->{"foo"} or $a->{foo} :) |
| 16:11 | tcohen | nah, quotes are forbidden |
| 16:11 | :-P | |
| 16:11 | khall | agreed! |
| 16:11 | cait | sorry phone |
| 16:11 | #chair tcohen | |
| 16:11 | huginn | Current chairs: cait tcohen |
| 16:11 | tcohen | more votes? |
| 16:12 | #voting results 1) 0 2) 3 3) 1 4) 2 | |
| 16:13 | lets see what people say on part 2 | |
| 16:13 | cait | #info voting results 1) 0 2) 3 3) 1 4) 2 |
| 16:13 | tcohen | :-P |
| 16:13 | * barton | promises not to vote again in the second meeting. |
| 16:13 | khall | tcohen: is that in the coding guidelines? I'm not seeing it |
| 16:14 | tcohen | shh, will write it without people noticing |
| 16:14 | i'll put it on next dev-meeting's agenda | |
| 16:14 | khall | <whisper>sounds good to me</whisper> |
| 16:15 | tcohen | cait: moving on? |
| 16:15 | * tcohen | has to leave in 3~4 minutes |
| 16:15 | cait | maybe we should put the rest on the next meeting? |
| 16:15 | is there something really urgent on the leftover topics? | |
| 16:15 | tcohen | yes |
| 16:15 | Joubu | I would like to talk about the test perf regression |
| 16:15 | tajoli | I prefer 3 |
| 16:15 | Joubu | I will have some time to dedicate on that |
| 16:16 | + set time for a pre hackfest meeting | |
| 16:16 | tcohen | i changed my mind, we can leave the rest for the next meeting |
| 16:16 | could we have one next week? | |
| 16:16 | cait | ok for me |
| 16:16 | i will be travelling the week after next | |
| 16:16 | tajoli | I try |
| 16:16 | * tcohen | has to leave |
| 16:17 | tcohen | later guys |
| 16:17 | cait | will yo u send an email tcohen? |
| 16:17 | with a date/time? | |
| 16:17 | tcohen | yes |
| 16:17 | cait | shall we just #action him to? |
| 16:17 | ah :) | |
| 16:17 | tcohen | next wednesday |
| 16:17 | yes, action | |
| 16:17 | please | |
| 16:18 | cait | #action tcohen to set date and time for next meeting - email to dev list |
| 16:18 | #endmeeting | |
| 16:18 | Topic for #koha is now Koha 3.18.3 is released! Welcome to the IRC home of Koha http://koha-community.org | Code of conduct - http://koha-community.org/abou[…]/code-of-conduct/ | The next Koha General IRC meeting is 11 February 2015 at 19 UTC | Please use http://paste.koha-community.org for pastes | Installation guide for Koha is http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Debian | |
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| 16:18 | Log: http://meetings.koha-community[…]05-15.03.log.html | |
| 16:18 | Joubu | hum ok... |
| 16:18 | cait | not good? |
| 16:19 | ah sorry | |
| 16:20 | Joubu | I can try to find some time to dev a script to test pref regression, I would have got some info/ideas |
| 16:20 | cait | maybe the perf discussion can continue on list/bug? not sure |
| 16:20 | Joubu: maybe talk to magnuse | |
| 16:20 | i think he worked on something in the past, might have it somewhere | |
| 16:20 | Joubu | Does someone already tested/played with selenium? |
| 16:21 | cait | i treid in the browser a long time ago |
| 16:21 | i always had problems rerunning the tests i created | |
| 16:21 | Joubu | the idea would be to launch the test on jenkins |
| 16:21 | everybody left? | |
| 16:22 | cait | hm looks like it and i am not vers helpful |
| 16:23 | tajoli | bye |
| 16:23 | Joubu | cait: maybe we are both in an interspace of the internet :) |
| 16:23 | tajoli | quit |
| 16:23 | exit | |
| 16:23 | Joubu | /quit |
| 16:24 | ok, let's enjoy the sun outside :) see you tomorrow | |
| 16:24 | akafred | At OPL we use Cucumber + Watir-Webdriver (webdriver=selenium2) to automate tests against Koha++. |
| 16:25 | cait | cya |
| 16:25 | akafred | I can demo in Marseille if you're interested ... |
| 16:25 | cait | no usn here... but i was promised spaghetti at a friend's house |
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| 16:25 | Joubu | akafred: do you think it could be possible to add them into the Koha codebase? |
| 16:25 | * Joubu | does not know cucumber |
| 16:27 | cait | sorry, have to run |
| 16:27 | cya all tomorrow | |
| 16:28 | akafred | Everything is possible ... but ... I think the community will have a few issues with our approach ... |
| 16:29 | I'll be more than happy to show&tell in Marseille. | |
| 16:30 | reiveune | bye |
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| 16:41 | * oleonard | runs across software which claims to be open source but is in private beta. That doesn't seem right... |
| 16:52 | jcamins | oleonard: that doesn't seem unusual to me. Most companies can't afford to provide free hosting for everyone. |
| 16:53 | The code is available, so anyone can go ahead and run it themselves. | |
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| 18:05 | * magnuse | reads the scrollbacl from the meeting |
| 18:06 | huginn | New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 12905: funds with children could not be deleted <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]f75ebd19968f5b11c> / Bug 13333: Fix Display basket group for already received orders <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]63424b33977f66cfd> / Bug 13457 - Followup for CPL and S codes <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]eb/?p=koha.git;a= |
| 18:10 | tcohen | @later tell Joubu stop it. You have too much stuff passed-qa :-P |
| 18:10 | huginn | tcohen: The operation succeeded. |
| 18:13 | bag | wait wait that’s an excellent problem :D |
| 18:19 | tcohen | bag: you can bet on that! |
| 18:20 | magnuse | yeah, more people should have problems like that :-) |
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| 18:22 | tcohen | well, khall does too :-P |
| 18:22 | shame on you :-P | |
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| 18:26 | magnuse | it's cool that the hackfest in marseille is evolving into a kind of HackConf, with presentations and people working on specific stuff, but the very first one was also very cool, when everybody just focused on signoffs and moving bugs alng |
| 18:26 | maybe the hackfest should be 2 weeks? | |
| 18:28 | huginn | New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 13262: (QA followup) fix duplicate variable definition <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]4fc226a4806cb5ffc> / Bug 13262 - Add parameters to XSLT Handler transform method <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]fc4bf2c1fc4f9d24c> / Bug 12601: (RM followup) DBIx updates <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]eb/?p=koha.git;a= |
| 18:31 | tcohen | ashimema: is colin here? |
| 18:33 | bag | magnuse: I’d be down with 2 weeks - with the weekend in Monaco or Nice :P |
| 18:33 | tcohen | hahaha |
| 18:34 | * magnuse | would spend the weekend in marseille |
| 18:35 | * drojf | would spend the weekend in bed |
| 18:35 | magnuse | or we could have one week in marseille and the next week somewhere else |
| 18:36 | give people time to travel to the next place | |
| 18:36 | drojf | @later tell cait ping |
| 18:36 | huginn | drojf: The operation succeeded. |
| 18:37 | tcohen | @later tell Joubu please update your gliffy page for VAT rewrite |
| 18:37 | huginn | tcohen: The operation succeeded. |
| 18:44 | jenkins_koha | Project Koha_Master_D7 build #301: UNSTABLE in 42 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]ha_Master_D7/301/ |
| 18:44 | * Jonathan Druart: Bug 12975: Use the centralize VAT and prices calculation - basketgroup.pl | |
| 18:44 | * Kyle M Hall: Bug 13432 - SIP Server does not respect timeout setting | |
| 18:44 | * Robin Sheat: Bug 7904 - remove unnecessary path from SIP script | |
| 18:44 | * Colin Campbell: Bug 7904 Change SIP modules to use standard LIB path | |
| 18:44 | * Owen Leonard: Bug 13339 - Cart button doesn't open the cart | |
| 18:44 | * Fridolin Somers: Bug 13268 - biblioitems.size value not correctly displayed (more) | |
| 18:44 | * Jonathan Druart: Bug 13268: the size should not be emptied in pl script | |
| 18:44 | * Thomas: Bug 10241 - Easy analyticals creates two 773 fields. Search/link from host to children is broken | |
| 18:44 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=12975 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , Refactor VAT and price calculation - basketgroup page |
| 18:44 | jenkins_koha | * Mark Tompsett: Bug 13457: Suggestions.t expects sample itemtypes |
| 18:44 | * Mark Tompsett: Bug 13457 - Followup for CPL and S codes | |
| 18:44 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=13432 major, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Pushed to Master , SIP Server does not respect timeout setting |
| 18:44 | jenkins_koha | * Jonathan Druart: Bug 13333: Fix Display basket group for already received orders |
| 18:44 | * Jonathan Druart: Bug 12905: funds with children could not be deleted | |
| 18:44 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7904 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, colin.campbell, Pushed to Master , SIP modules handling of @INC is confused |
| 18:44 | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=13339 minor, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Cart button doesn't open the cart | |
| 18:44 | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=13268 minor, P5 - low, ---, fridolyn.somers, Pushed to Master , biblioitems.size value not correctly displayed (more) | |
| 18:44 | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10241 normal, P4, ---, gmcharlt, Pushed to Master , Easy analyticals creates two 773 fields. Search/link from host to children is broken | |
| 18:44 | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=13457 minor, P5 - low, ---, mtompset, Pushed to Master , Suggestions.t expects sample itemtypes | |
| 18:44 | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=13333 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , Basket group is not displayed for already received orders | |
| 18:44 | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=12905 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , Deleting parent fund will orphan child funds, leaving them un-editable. | |
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| 18:53 | tcohen | bye #koha |
| 18:58 | huginn | New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 7904: (QA followup) fix tests <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]01dd6abeb99ee5eac> |
| 19:21 | wnickc | bag++ |
| 19:26 | jenkins_koha | Project Koha_Master_D7 build #302: NOW UNSTABLE in 41 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]ha_Master_D7/302/ |
| 19:26 | * Kyle M Hall: Bug 13441 - Branchcodes should not be allowed to have spaces in them | |
| 19:26 | * Jonathan Druart: Bug 13270: Don't display "vendor note" label if nothing to display | |
| 19:26 | * Jonathan Druart: Bug 12860: the export tools explodes if a field is not exported | |
| 19:26 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=13441 normal, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Pushed to Master , Branchcodes should not be allowed to have spaces in them |
| 19:26 | jenkins_koha | * Tomas Cohen Arazi: Bug 12905: DBRev 3.19.00.007 |
| 19:26 | * Jonathan Druart: Bug 12601: Add a foreign key for aqorders.budget_id | |
| 19:26 | * Tomas Cohen Arazi: Bug 12601: DBRev 3.19.00.008 | |
| 19:26 | * Tomas Cohen Arazi: Bug 12601: (RM followup) DBIx updates | |
| 19:26 | * David Cook: Bug 13262 - Add parameters to XSLT Handler transform method | |
| 19:26 | * Tomas Cohen Arazi: Bug 13262: (QA followup) fix duplicate variable definition | |
| 19:26 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=13270 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , On receiving, "vendor note" label should not be displayed if nothing to display |
| 19:26 | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=12860 normal, P3, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , Tools > Data export : "Don't export fields" option doesn't work | |
| 19:26 | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=12905 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , Deleting parent fund will orphan child funds, leaving them un-editable. | |
| 19:26 | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=12601 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , aqorders.budget_id should be a foreign key | |
| 19:26 | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=13262 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, dcook, Pushed to Master , Add parameters to XSLT Handler transform method | |
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| 20:08 | jenkins_koha | Project Koha_Master_D7 build #303: NOW UNSTABLE in 41 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]ha_Master_D7/303/ |
| 20:08 | Tomas Cohen Arazi: Bug 7904: (QA followup) fix tests | |
| 20:08 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7904 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, colin.campbell, Pushed to Master , SIP modules handling of @INC is confused |
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| 20:28 | peggy joined #koha | |
| 20:28 | peggy | I have been reading Apache logs for my server. It looks like each time a keyword search comes from the OPAC that two requests are sent: |
| 20:28 | 3 Feb 2015 13:45:05 -0500] GET cgi-bin/koha/opac-search.pl?idx=&q=half+the+sky&branch_group_limit=branch%3ADOVER HTTP 3 Feb 2015 13:45:05 -0500] GET cgi-bin/koha/opac-search.pl?q=half+the+sky&branch_group_limit=branch%3ADOVER HTTP | |
| 20:29 | 3 Feb 2015 13:45:05 -0500] GET cgi-bin/koha/opac-search.pl?idx=&q=half+the+sky&branch_group_limit=branch%3ADOVER HTTP | |
| 20:29 | 3 Feb 2015 13:45:05 -0500] GET cgi-bin/koha/opac-search.pl?q=half+the+sky&branch_group_limit=branch%3ADOVER HTTP | |
| 20:29 | (sorry, that should be easier to read) | |
| 20:30 | It doesn't happen with title, author, or subject searches - those only generate one request. | |
| 20:30 | Why the double request? | |
| 20:33 | wnickc | share |
| 20:33 | oops | |
| 20:42 | bag | hmm interesting find peggy |
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| 22:19 | barton | I thought that the second dev meeting was starting at 22UTC -- wasn't that 20 minutes ago? |
| 22:23 | dcook | Hmm, I'm never around for dev meetings, so I'm guessing no? |
| 22:24 | barton | well, that doesn't quite sound official, but I think you're right. |
| 22:25 | cait | it's right, i was hoping tcohen would mak it |
| 22:25 | it's 11:25 here - too late for a meeting for me | |
| 22:26 | barton | where's tcohen located? |
| 22:26 | dcook | barton: I rarely know any official things :) |
| 22:26 | barton: Argentina | |
| 22:26 | wahanui | hmmm... Argentina is hosting KohaCon14! |
| 22:26 | dcook | So... 7:26pm for tcohen, I think |
| 22:27 | magnuse | i thought it should start 26 minutes ago too http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]g_5_February_2015 |
| 22:27 | dcook | Hmm looks like |
| 22:27 | * dcook | is actually around for once |
| 22:27 | magnuse | but... time for sleep! |
| 22:27 | dcook | magnuse: or eating, according to the wiki :p |
| 22:27 | barton | schlafe whohl magnuse |
| 22:29 | cait left #koha | |
| 22:33 | barton | well... I don't see anyone lining up to get into the dev meeting... so I'm gonna head out. |
| 22:34 | dcook | Yeah, I got nothing to say |
| 22:35 | Except that I just ate breakfast and now I'm hungry again... | |
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| 22:37 | wnickc | Try a second one if the first didn't take |
| 22:37 | dcook | Not a bad idea at all, but now I'm at the office :/\ |
| 22:37 | :/* | |
| 22:37 | * dcook | needs a breakfast lackey |
| 22:37 | dcook | Actually, a minion for many things. |
| 22:37 | Food... and to tackle the easier Koha bugs. | |
| 22:38 | Well, general Koha support really.. | |
| 22:38 | barton_away | hm. that's what I do, actually. |
| 22:38 | dcook | barton_away: Have a second breakfast or have a breakfast minion? |
| 22:39 | wnickc | or be bag's minion? |
| 22:39 | barton_away | no, I do general koha support. I don't get khall's breakfast though. |
| 22:39 | dcook | hehe |
| 22:39 | Yeah, we're a pretty small shop, so I do a bit of everything | |
| 22:39 | Well, I'm no one's breakfast minion | |
| 22:39 | Occasionally lunch minion if we're having people in for training | |
| 22:40 | It's certainly never boring around here :P | |
| 22:41 | barton_away | here neither ;-) |
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| 22:43 | dcook | I occasionally wonder about ByWater. I recall that a lot of people work from home? |
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| 22:45 | pianohacker | dcook: most of us. There's an office in California where Mario, Brendan and Cindy spend some of their time, and I think some of us keep offices outside our homes, but most of us yes |
| 22:46 | tcohen | jenkins_koha: you suck |
| 22:46 | jenkins_koha | tcohen did you mean me? Unknown command 'you' |
| 22:46 | Use '!jenkins help' to get help! | |
| 22:46 | dcook | hehe |
| 22:46 | bag | actually pianohacker and dcook no more office |
| 22:46 | dcook | Oh? |
| 22:46 | bag | landlord sold it so we had to move out |
| 22:46 | dcook | Dinger |
| 22:46 | bag | I’m in my garage now |
| 22:47 | dcook | So for training, I guess you send people out to the libraries? |
| 22:47 | tcohen | @later tell lds http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]/Koha_Master_U14/ |
| 22:47 | huginn | tcohen: The operation succeeded. |
| 22:47 | pianohacker | bag: don't most california startups try to _start_ in the garage and move someplace nicer? ;) |
| 22:47 | dcook | hehe |
| 22:47 | A garage sounds nice to me | |
| 22:48 | Garages are a rarity in Sydney with everything so cramped together | |
| 22:48 | * tcohen | loves garage projects |
| 22:48 | dcook | Well, at least the parts of Sydney I see :p |
| 22:48 | tcohen | specially http://garageproject.co.nz/ |
| 22:48 | bag | pianohacker: this one did start there and it’s back - just realizing the garage is the place to be |
| 22:48 | me too tcohen | |
| 22:48 | dcook | tcohen: I wondered for a second when it said "Yes, I'm over 18" :p |
| 22:49 | tcohen | heh, I already had the cookie set :-P |
| 22:49 | * dcook | imagines bag's garage is nicer than a lot of Sydney apartments he's had |
| 22:49 | dcook | Oooh, today is Friday. Beer time later... |
| 22:49 | pianohacker | bag's garage is almost assuredly larger than my apartment, I know that much |
| 22:49 | bag | heh it’s full of junk - but it’s got a fablous barista |
| 22:50 | dcook | Surely full of junk equates to cosy? :D |
| 22:50 | cozy? | |
| 22:50 | * dcook | forgets sometimes that he has an English degree |
| 22:50 | bag | sure thing :) |
| 22:51 | dcook | Hmm, I think both spellings work.. |
| 22:51 | Although I think cosy is also Australian for swimmers | |
| 22:51 | And swimmers is Australian for bathing suit | |
| 22:52 | I don't even know what I would say anymore... | |
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| 22:59 | eythian_ | rats, I totally forgot that there was a meeting an hour ago |
| 23:02 | oh, looks like the meeting was missed by everyone else, as well. I don't feel so bad now. | |
| 23:04 | * eythian_ | goes back to "It's a public holiday, I'm gonna play computer games for the afternoon." |
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| 23:13 | dcook | public holiday, eythian_? |
| 23:14 | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waitangi_Day ? | |
| 23:16 | tcohen | @later tell Joubu have you looked at DBIx::Connector ? |
| 23:16 | huginn | tcohen: The operation succeeded. |
| 23:16 | dcook | Wow, that sounds like a rather interesting holiday! |
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