IRC log for #koha, 2015-02-02

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00:14 eythian http://www.stuff.co.nz/oddstuf[…]edgehog-and-snail <-- it's all over the news now!
00:16 rangi heh
00:34 Francesca joined #koha
00:38 * Francesca waves
00:38 rangi hi Francesca
00:39 Francesca hey rangi
00:39 I've got my timetable finalised now for uni
00:40 rangi cool
00:40 Francesca Are tuesdays ok for irc sessions for work experience?
00:41 rangi yep that should be fine
00:42 Francesca sweet! is there any time in particular that suits you? I have no classes that day so anytime works for me
00:46 eythian wahanui: seven layer burrito?
00:46 wahanui i haven't a clue, eythian
00:47 eythian wahanui: seven layer burrito is physical, data link, network, transport, session, presentation, application
00:47 wahanui OK, eythian.
00:48 eythian wahanui: seven stages of grief
00:48 wahanui seven stages of grief are lettuce, tomatoes, rice, beans, sour cream, cheese, guacamole
00:49 rangi Francesca: hmm probably round 1pm
00:49 eythian wahanui: osi model
00:49 wahanui osi model is, like, shock, denial, guilt, anger, bargaining, hope, acceptance
00:49 dcook Hmm, looks like I missed some scrollback
00:49 Francesca rangi: that works for me, are there any websites that need doing at the moment?
00:49 dcook Ah..
00:50 eythian: Can't say I was ever fond of zebras :p
00:50 eythian dcook: I don't believe you
00:50 wahanui: dcook
00:50 wahanui i think dcook is missing part of that original link due to a smiley face that comes up in dcook's IRC client
00:50 rangi http://hea.koha-community.org/ you could have a look at this one
00:50 code is all here https://github.com/biblibre/hea-app
00:50 eythian wahanui: dcook
00:50 wahanui rumour has it dcook is missing part of that original link due to a smiley face that comes up in dcook's IRC client
00:50 eythian wahanui: dcook
00:50 wahanui dcook is the designated masochist
00:50 eythian wahanui: dcook
00:50 wahanui it has been said that dcook is a zebra expert now
00:51 eythian ^ there
00:51 dcook lol
00:51 * dcook thinks jcamins may have been trolling him...
00:51 dcook Or maybe it was you
00:51 I can't remember anymore :p
00:52 Francesca rangi: I'll have a look at that one now. Do you want me to just send merge requests when I push a change up?
00:53 rangi Joubu looks after that site, so he will need to merge them, but yes. YOu might want to try to get it running locally, if you have a vm or something you can do it on. Because he wont have the time to merge for testing ... if that makes sense?
00:55 Francesca uhh not really. And I don't have a vm at the moment ether. I might be able to run it off xammp though
00:59 rangi *nod* because he wont be able to just merge and hope it works, because he is in france so the lag will mean broken for a while etc. So we will want to be sure it works before we send a merge request
01:01 Francesca oh ok. I might be able to try and get it running via xammp then, I'll have to see. Also I don't have a git hub account, so will need to set one up before I start
01:09 eythian dcook: If I'm looking at a string like '@attr 1=Heading @attr 3=2 @attr 4=1 @attr 5=1', how do I know what those attr values are between the various types of bib1 attribs
01:09 oh, the first number is the type
01:09 the second is the value
01:09 yes?
01:10 I don't understand how they have a large document defining everything, but missing out on how they actually go together.
01:21 Francesca rangi: I am set up on github now, remind me how I get a clone set up on my laptop?
01:22 rangi you want to fork that repo first
01:22 https://github.com/biblibre/hea-app
01:22 top right
01:24 then you should have a copy of it under your username and there should be a url (you want the ssh one) that you can copy and paste
01:24 so git clone that_url
01:24 you might need to upload your ssh key first
01:24 * rangi has to head out now to get the kids from school
01:24 Francesca uhhh how do I do that?
01:24 * Francesca waves
01:24 Francesca see you rangi
01:30 mtj hiya Francesca
01:30 -> https://help.github.com/articl[…]erating-ssh-keys/
01:32 Francesca mtj thanks so much
01:32 thats really helpful
01:35 mtj no probs :0)
01:35 * eythian notes that the 'exact' authority search claims to do no truncation, in fact does both left and right truncation
02:01 dcook Hmm?
02:01 * dcook was eating
02:02 dcook hehe
02:02 * dcook loves when something claims one thing but does the other
02:02 dcook sounds like you've got it figured, eythian
02:02 The 1st number is definitely the type, and the 2nd is the value, yeah
02:03 I think this doc might explain: http://www.loc.gov/z3950/agency/bib1.html
02:03 eythian yeah, it does, somewhat
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02:11 dcook And we're back...
02:32 Hmm... Perl 5.20.1 seems... interesting
02:33 I don't think there's an OS package for Text::CSV::Encoded, but I can't install it from CPAN either
02:33 Well, the tests fail at least...
02:34 eythian $ apt-cache policy libtext-csv-encoded-perl
02:34 libtext-csv-encoded-perl:
02:34 Geïnstalleerd: (geen)
02:34 Kandidaat:     0.22-2
02:34 dcook Me thinks Debian > OpenSuse
02:37 The newer versions have much perl packages which is nice, but still not good enough
02:37 Mind you, it might be a different problem with this particular instance of the OS
02:42 Hmm..
02:43 Looks like I wonder why it's 0.22-2...
02:43 It looks like in the actual 0.22 release that the test might just be buggy
02:43 https://rt.cpan.org/Public/Bug[…]lay.html?id=93438
02:48 I keep thinking that Perl 5.20 doesn't get along with Koha, but I don't remember why...
02:48 eythian I'm not aware of any issues
02:48 but, that doesn't mean they're not there.
02:48 dcook Hmm
02:49 eythian I thought I did see something about unicode changes, but I can't really remember
02:49 dcook It is possible that tcohen and some others have already cleaned them up
02:49 Or are working on them
02:49 Yeah, I thought I saw something about htat
02:49 that*
03:16 mtj hey eythian, did you spot this ... -> http://www.loc.gov/z3950/agency/defns/bib1.html
03:16 eythian mtj: yeah, I did
03:16 mtj http://www.loc.gov/z3950/agency/bib1.html
03:17 cool
03:17 eythian that too
03:17 :)
03:33 mtj the bib-1 query syntax seems to be the perfect compliment to the MARC spec
03:34 dcook hehe
03:38 eythian that's about right
03:58 mtj hey, just curious... did we find a decent replacement for zebra's z39 service?
03:59 eythian we're waiting for you to write one :)
04:14 mtj i vaguely recall BL testing jzkit, i wonder how they got on...
04:27 hmm, i dont think ive seem this before, http://www.indexdata.com/simpleserver
04:28 eythian looks neat
04:36 mtj yeah, it really does, http://search.cpan.org/~mirk/N[…]r/SimpleServer.pm
04:38 hmm... perhaps BL might have used that, to write their own z39 server
04:46 jcamins mtj: there was a lengthy discussion about SimpleServer on the mailing list when BibLibre was working on Solr.
04:48 Okay, not so much discussion as screed.
04:49 * jcamins leaves.
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04:55 dcook Picking your way through Java versions is so fun...
04:57 * eythian usually is able to ignore that
05:03 dcook Wise
05:15 eythian elasticsearch query formats don't mesh with the way we get "what to search for" information well at all.
05:15 * eythian leaves the impedence mismatch to solve for tomorrow.
05:18 eythian so far I've got it building up a set of query and filter bits, but they need to be merged together, accounting for searches that may have the same field twice.
05:19 also accounting for if we need a filter at all...
05:19 or even just the same query type twice
05:19 it's all a bit annoying that you can just throw an array of queries at es.
05:19 *can't
05:22 dcook Not sure I follow but that sucks that it's annoying :(
05:23 eythian it's just the syntax that it uses
05:24 http://www.elasticsearch.org/g[…]uery-strings.html <-- you have to do stuff like this
05:25 not too bad if you're designing something around ES itself, but annoying if you want to have a nice easy UI for someone to build a search query.
05:25 I wonder if I can just wrap it all in a bool 'should' query.
05:25 so it'll work even if there's only one entry (which will be the common case)
05:27 but I'll also have to add a filter level to handle exact matches, queries are for smart things that do tokenisation etc, but not for things where you want to do an exact match of a whole field, and then do subqueries inside that.
05:27 oh well, tomorrow's job
05:27 * eythian &
07:00 dcook "i wonder if its the same perl 5.20 we were spotting with utf8 and koha"
07:00 @later tell rangi what were the troubles with perl 5.20 + utf8 + koha again?
07:00 huginn dcook: The operation succeeded.
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07:49 reiveune hello
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08:02 alex_a bonjour
08:02 wahanui que tal, alex_a
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08:24 cait hi #koha
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08:32 gaetan_B hello
08:32 cait hi gaetan_B and matts :)
08:32 matts hi cait !
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08:39 cait hi Viktor :)
08:46 fridolin hie all
09:01 kivilahtio hi there
09:01 wahanui bidet, kivilahtio
09:01 Joubu good morning #koha
09:06 cait morning fridolin kivilahtio and Joubu :)
09:07 Joubu @later tell tcohen someone reported on the ML that es.k-c.org is down (and still down)
09:07 huginn Joubu: The operation succeeded.
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09:15 marcelr hi #koha
09:32 Viktor Hi cait! And greetings #koha
09:35 What would you guys throw extra cash at that needs to get done but no customers would pay for?
09:35 cait Viktor: difficult question
09:36 Viktor (We might get extra funding and I'd like to know that I don't prioritize extra development wrong.)
09:36 cait Viktor: are you coming to the hackfest maybe?
09:37 Viktor Hopefully I will cait, but I'm not sure yet.
09:37 cait ah ok
09:37 Viktor Plack is no1 on my wish list, but it seems to be moving along quite ok.
09:37 cait just thinking that it would be a good place to discuss areas that need some love
09:38 i haven't installed it yt - it seems there are different approaches to get it working currently
09:38 Viktor Hm I think you are right cait. Eye to eye would make it easier for this kind of discussion.
09:38 Yes I think it's at least two ways of installing Plack.
09:39 But my what a pleasure it is to use Koha with Plack active.
09:39 cait maybe i shoudl try sometime :)
09:39 Viktor It's one of the most obvious improvements for the untrained eye.
09:39 cait ah
09:40 Viktor Everybody can see the improved speed so It's great for demoing for people interested in Koha.
09:40 cait i guess i should put it on my hackfest list
09:40 to find somebody to show me how to install it :)
09:41 Viktor If I do make it to the hackfest I hope to get some work done with magnuse on the interactive signs that's had to wait for a cleanup.
09:41 cait :)
09:42 Viktor Last time magnuse installed Plack for us on a test run we hade problems with picking up the right translations. But otherwise known bugs seems to be getting fixed.
09:43 How about major stuff like elasticsearch? Do you know how that is coming along?
09:43 cait i talked to eythian a bit last night, i think Joubu has been working on getting a test system up?
09:43 Joubu?
09:43 wahanui i guess Joubu is going to add a letter for "acquisition", so there is no sense to keep claimacq
09:43 cait i was hoping we might be ableto see something at the hackfest, but not sure
09:44 wahanui: forget Joubu
09:44 wahanui cait: I forgot joubu
09:44 Viktor That would be sweet.
09:45 Joubu cait: yes I tried, I have to retry this week
09:45 cait Joubu: keeping fingers crossed then
09:46 Viktor Fingers crossed :) Is it sort of proof of concept or a little more functionality in there?
09:47 cait i think they are pretty far, but not sure again... need to find out more myself
09:47 Viktor Quite exiting :) Thanks for the info!
09:48 cait at least i think it's more than a poc - but really don#t have much info yet
09:49 bug 12478
09:49 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=12478 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, robin, NEW , Elasticsearch support for Koha
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09:50 cait comment 18 has a little info
09:51 Joubu yes, that's why I try to test the branch. It's not really obvious what is implemented or will be
09:51 the branch is based on 3.16 and should be rebased against master
09:52 some conflicts expected, the Solr code has been removed
09:52 cait ah right
09:52 Viktor Seems to be more than POC indeed :)
09:52 Joubu a few days ago, a new commit "authority wip" is appeared on the branch :)
09:52 cait Joubu: thx for trying - really curious :)
09:53 Joubu but it's a shame there is no doc to set it up
09:53 cait yeah, i will bug eythian about it again i think
09:53 Joubu and to explain what is done, what will be done, etc.
09:53 Hope to manage to play with it this week :)
09:55 cait left a comment on the bug
10:34 slef Who runs es.koha-community.org ? Neither it or manual seems to be on http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]te_Administration
10:34 Looks like it's at UNC
10:34 Joubu slef: it's UNC, I let a tell later to tcohen this morning
10:35 slef ok, I'll let the facebooker know we're aware and have sent it on
10:35 Joubu slef: yep, thanks
10:36 slef @later tell tcohen could you add any missing admin details you know to http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]te_Administration please?
10:36 huginn slef: The operation succeeded.
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11:07 drojf hi #koha
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11:30 * akafred is ready for Marseille :-)
11:35 ashimema @wunder stevenage, uk
11:35 huginn ashimema: The current temperature in Pin Green, Stevenage, United Kingdom is 2.3°C (11:32 AM GMT on February 02, 2015). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 62%. Dew Point: -4.0°C. Windchill: 1.0°C. Pressure: 29.68 in 1005 hPa (Steady).
12:01 slef @wunder WGYD
12:01 huginn slef: Error: No such location could be found.
12:01 slef @wunder EGYD
12:01 huginn slef: The current temperature in Cranwell, United Kingdom is 2.0°C (11:50 AM GMT on February 02, 2015). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 65%. Dew Point: -4.0°C. Windchill: -3.0°C. Pressure: 29.68 in 1005 hPa (Steady).
12:01 slef surprisingly similar
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12:14 Viktor Hei Magnuse!
12:18 cait akafred: cool :)
12:19 kivilahtio: you are doubled up int he spreadsheet :)
12:19 kivilahtio cait: maaaaaan
12:21 cait: thanks for the heads up, got it fixed
12:27 cait what's the short letter for croatia?
12:28 nm looked it up
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12:30 Joubu HR
12:30 cait thx :)
12:37 Joubu What is the usefulness of the "balance" value in the new dashboard entry? What does it represent?
12:38 cait i think the idea of 'give and take'
12:39 test others and get yours tested
12:40 kivilahtio I am not very balanced. Looking forward to fixing that during the hackfest :)
12:40 Joubu hum, so BibLibre is a bad student because the balance is negative?
12:40 cait i'd not be so strict there i guess
12:41 not sure if it counts signofss and qa currently too
12:42 Joubu It's a very weird way of seeing things
12:42 cait it's something that could create some discussion, that's for sure
12:42 but discussion is not always bad
12:42 especially since the needs sign off is exploding again
12:44 Joubu I (represent BibLibre) spent a lot of time to fix bugs and not to signoff patches, but it is not for BibLibre itself.
12:44 This balance means it is more valuable to signoff than fix a bug
12:45 cait it's a good point
12:45 Joubu anyway, it's just number, I don't personnaly care
12:45 Just wondering what it reflects for others
12:45 cait i think rangi did it last weekend, not sure - haven't seen him much
12:46 Joubu "BibLibre (and ByWater, Olli, etc.) takes and doesn't give"
12:46 kivilahtio By taking, it should count how many times git bz apply has been used :)
12:47 Submitting patches is definetely taking :)
12:47 Joubu Hum, I develop a lot of patches for "the community"
12:48 kivilahtio Joubu: that was a joke
12:48 a poor one nevertheless
12:48 Joubu when it's bugfix, it's often bugfix for new versions, BibLibre's customers don't use it yet
12:48 they are still using 3.14... for the major part
12:48 kivilahtio Joubu: you are paving the way!
12:49 cait i think itw oudl be a good point to say bugfixes belong to the other column
12:49 but i am not sure if you can really represent it in number well
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12:52 bbl
12:55 drojf i do not read that as "biblibre (or anyone else) is bad". it would be interesting to differentiate between bugfixes and enhancements though
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12:59 marcelr Joubu: what about the QAs in your balance?
13:00 Joubu marcelr: I don't understand what "balance" means
13:01 #patches - #SO = balance
13:01 ok if you want, but it does not mean something for me
13:01 cait hm i think so - patches
13:01 waiting for the call :)
13:02 Joubu maybe #patches + #so + #qa = contribution means something...
13:04 * magnuse waves in a slightly head cold way
13:04 magnuse kia ora Viktor
13:05 Viktor kia ora Magnuse
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13:10 tcohen morning!
13:10 marcelr hi tcohen
13:11 magnuse ¡hola tcohen!
13:11 cait: kohadevbox has plack set up
13:11 ...in a dev-mode kind of way
13:11 with debugging tools etc
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13:14 drojf there are quite a fe patches markes as "needs sign off" that have some question or discussion at the end. shouldn't those get back to "in discussion" to trigger some kind of response? i would not sign off now on something that has some kind of question or objection at the end
13:14 *a few
13:14 marked. don't mind the typos, tired ;)
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13:16 magnuse drojf: yeah, if there open questions, "needs signoff" does not make sense, in my opinion
13:16 drojf for example something like bug 12085. i don't think there is anything to sign off really at the moment. (not blaming the dev, it was just a bug i had open, there are a lot more like this)
13:16 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=12085 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, pasi.kallinen, Needs Signoff , Allow staff to place multiple reserves for the same patron
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13:24 drojf i suppose people asking questions don't want to deny the "needs sign off" status as somebody else could still want to do it. and the people doing the patches don't change the status either, because somebody else could still sign off without them addressing the question. which is both understandable, but when i look around to see if i could do a signoff and the first 5 patches i look at are like this, i may have other things to do instead. i think this c
13:25 druthb!
13:25 druthb drojf!
13:25 :)
13:25 drojf :)
13:26 (and for cleanup, it needs some kind of rule. i don't want to be the bad guy changing your status if it is not consensus to do it in some way ;)
13:27 kivilahtio drojf: How does this sentence end ". i think this c..." ?
13:28 drojf: you can steal my patches!
13:28 drojf i think this could use some cleanup
13:28 kivilahtio: ah that is you! :)
13:28 kivilahtio drojf: speaking of the devil
13:29 drojf: I realized that people here are so courteous that they are afraid of stepping onto someone's toes. In bugzilla you can access obsoleted/overwritten patches.
13:29 so nowadays I try to add a disclaimer to my patches that they can be stolen.
13:30 What I am trying to say is that even if you make changes and share them to bugzilla, the original owner can still find his submits.
13:30 so no damage done
13:30 drojf i think it's great to put them there, i just wonder about the status. there is not really something to sign off there at the moment, it's just there to be reused, right?
13:30 oleonard I don't think that is necessary kivilahtio
13:30 kivilahtio oleonard: ok
13:31 drojf: maybe "Works for me"?
13:31 oleonard Or maybe it's just me -- I'll submit a follow-up to a patch if I think it can be improved.
13:31 kivilahtio there is such a status. Resolved -> Worksforme
13:31 or just "new"? what is wrong with new?
13:31 oleonard And I'll file a counter-patch if I think an entirely different approach should be taken
13:31 kivilahtio if i have an issue, i look for a ticket, regardless of it's status
13:32 tcohen morning kivilahtio druthb drojf cait Joubu magnuse marcelr
13:32 drojf if you plan on rebasing it for master at some point, i would leave it open, just set it to… i don't know, in discussion or assigned probably
13:32 kivilahtio gday tcohen
13:32 drojf hi tcohen
13:32 druthb morning, tcohen. :)
13:32 * tcohen is back at the office
13:32 tcohen it's been a while!
13:32 (2 month)
13:33 drojf post kohacon holiday? :)
13:35 does reducing the needs signoff queue by making people switch status to assigned count as +1 in my statistics? :D
13:35 cait tcohen: on phone, but talk later?
13:35 tcohen of coures
13:36 * tcohen loves RM-QAM meeting
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14:15 andreashm hi all
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14:23 * magnuse wanders off
15:21 cait off the phone
15:21 drojf; i think new and a note that it's not ready for testing /needs more work maybe
15:21 for patches that can be used as is when it's not fail? everything seems equally confusing
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15:44 Joubu @later tell rangi, the links in the "last 5 SO" area are broken (dashboard) : show_bug.cgi?id=%3C%%20entry.1%20%%3E
15:44 huginn Joubu: The operation succeeded.
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15:56 Joubu tcohen: Hello! Did you have the time to have a look at bug 13610?
15:57 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=13610 major, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , delete_patrons.pl crashes on debian squeeze
15:57 tcohen Joubu: yes
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15:58 * tcohen is looking for khall's patch that fixed it
15:59 Joubu tcohen: Last time you said me it was a dbic issue
15:59 tcohen it is
16:00 Joubu But we can fix it in Koha, great
16:00 tcohen we need to revert some stuff from 11891
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16:16 cait bug 11891
16:16 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=11891 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Pushed to Master , Make Koha::Schema use C4::Context->dbh
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16:39 gaetan_B1 bye
17:01 fridolin1 bye
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18:03 vfernandes hi guys
18:04 in the last weeks i'm having a problem with one installation
18:04 drojf oh, a new raspberry pi model to put koha on ^^
18:04 vfernandes sometimes it's happening oom-killer
18:04 the server has 6GB
18:16 rangi vfernandes: check your apache logs is it getting hit a lot, you might want to wind down max connections
18:19 vfernandes rangi: are you talking about MaxKeepAliveRequests?
18:19 checking my logs there isn't many requests
18:21 MaxKeepAliveRequests 500
18:21 Timeout 300
18:21 rangi Joubu: thanks fixed now
18:21 vfernandes: hmmm can you see what process is using all the RAM
18:21 ?
18:22 vfernandes oom_killer this time was invoked by member.pl
18:22 member.pl invoked oom-killer: gfp_mask=0x200da, order=0, oom_score_adj=0
18:23 on memory dump there is like 100 member.pl processes
18:24 pastebot "vfernandes" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "memory dump" (161 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/385
18:25 rangi yeah oom killer doesnt always(often) kill the actual thing using all the ram
18:26 but yeah thats a lot of member.pl running
18:26 id check the intranet access logs
18:26 looks like something is hammering the members page
18:26 problem is, it logs at the finish of a request
18:27 so if the server starts ooming you often dont see them all in the logs
18:27 but you might be able to notice something hitting the same url a lot
18:29 ive seen something like this happen before, caused by a couple of things 1/ someone left a book on their keyboard and it was sitting on the f5 key .. that was easy to fix .. the other time, couldnt figure out why it happened it was like the browser wigged out
18:29 i hope this is some help
18:32 vfernandes rangi now I have new data about the problem
18:33 before the oom-killer the server has lost the connection to BD server
18:33 rangi ah ha
18:33 yeah that would do it
18:34 vfernandes i guess that after the error someone has used F5 a lot
18:34 rangi if someone got impatient and hit refresh
18:34 yeah
18:34 that's my guess
18:35 vfernandes right now the server is stable
18:35 jcamins drojf: the new rPi doesn't look particularly interesting for installing Koha on.
18:35 drojf: where is the challenge?
18:35 wahanui the challenge is that I would like to be able to specify that there has to be an exact match, except 'u's and 'v's can be interchangeable, as can be 'i's and 'j's.
18:36 * jcamins said that, didn't he?
18:36 vfernandes i've added a cronjob to warn me when the memory to try to access the server earlier and prevent more oom-killers
18:36 drojf jcamins: true :D
18:36 rangi vfernandes: good idea
18:38 vfernandes thanks for the help rangi
18:40 if the problem reappears, I will be here again  :D
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18:56 cait hi agai #koha
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20:11 rangi @wunder nzwn
20:11 huginn rangi: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 21.0°C (9:00 AM NZDT on February 03, 2015). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 64%. Dew Point: 14.0°C. Pressure: 29.50 in 999 hPa (Steady).
20:14 magnuse @wunder boo
20:14 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is -7.0°C (8:50 PM CET on February 02, 2015). Conditions: Light Snow. Humidity: 74%. Dew Point: -11.0°C. Windchill: -16.0°C. Pressure: 29.47 in 998 hPa (Steady).
20:16 Dyrcona @wunder 01844
20:16 huginn Dyrcona: The current temperature in Timber Lane, Methuen, Massachusetts is -12.7°C (3:16 PM EST on February 02, 2015). Conditions: Snow. Humidity: 85%. Dew Point: -15.0°C. Windchill: -21.0°C. Pressure: 29.55 in 1001 hPa (Falling). Winter Storm Warning in effect until 1 am EST Tuesday...
20:17 magnuse ooh, you win Dyrcona
20:17 Dyrcona Well, Sudbury has me beat temperature-wise, but we've got wind and snow.
20:17 @wunder p3e 2c6
20:17 huginn Dyrcona: The current temperature in Sudbury, Ontario is -13.2°C (3:03 PM EST on February 02, 2015). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 53%. Dew Point: -21.0°C. Windchill: -13.0°C. Pressure: 30.02 in 1017 hPa (Falling).
20:18 Dyrcona I just came in from doing a little shoveling.
20:19 magnuse fun
20:19 @wunder karasjok
20:19 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Karasjok, Norway is -12.5°C (9:15 PM CET on February 02, 2015). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 54%. Dew Point: -20.0°C. Windchill: -12.0°C. Pressure: 29.89 in 1012 hPa (Steady).
20:19 Dyrcona Yeah, the wind and snow picked up and I decided I'd had enough.
20:20 * Dyrcona doesn't feel like "winning." ;)
20:21 * magnuse has a nice fire going in the fireplace
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20:55 DisneyDave Hello all
20:55 We LOVE KOHA
20:56 quick question... I have had to restart MYSQL twice in two days ... is 3.18.02 causing anyone else any restarts?
20:56 magnuse yes we do!
20:57 not for me. what are your symptoms?
20:58 DisneyDave I was just checking in 5 items from a patron who had 42 items out at her individual screen so I checked the 5 items for return
20:58 and the checkin area spun and spun
20:58 I backed out and got the MYSQL is down error.
20:59 The other day I came in and it was down.  We have not had any luck upgrading from 3.18.02 to 3.18.03 yet but it sounds like we took the right steps.  Version still says 3.18.02
21:00 magnuse is mysql completely stopped when that happens?
21:01 DisneyDave yes
21:02 cait DisneyDave: if the version still says 3.18.2 the update didn't run completely
21:02 DisneyDave Thanks cait.
21:03 cait sorry, misread i gues
21:03 DisneyDave I will get with my tech person to try and figure out why it didnt run completely
21:03 Are you having any issues with mysql stopping cait?
21:04 cait we have a test installation running 3.18.3, but haven't seen any problems there so far
21:05 DisneyDave Ok, thanks Manguse and Cait
21:05 eythian hi
21:05 wahanui bidet, eythian
21:06 cait hi eythian
21:08 magnuse hi eythian
21:09 eythian cait: you want me to explain the ES stuff? If you were in a real timezone, you would have got my complaining about how it's tricky to build an authorities search query yesterday :)
21:10 cait not in that much detail
21:10 but people ask about it you know
21:10 and i have no idea what to tell them - that#s annoying
21:11 and my timezone is fine, i like living in the past.
21:21 eythian cait: I'll see about making a wiki page with info
21:22 it's still a bit string-and-duct-tape to put together quickly at the moment :)
21:28 cait aha!
21:33 @wunder Konstanz
21:33 huginn cait: The current temperature in Bodensee Konstanz City, Konstanz, Germany is -0.3°C (10:33 PM CET on February 02, 2015). Conditions: Light Snow. Humidity: 92%. Dew Point: -1.0°C. Windchill: 0.0°C. Pressure: 29.62 in 1003 hPa (Steady).
21:33 cait ew more snow
21:34 eythian @wunder nzwn
21:34 huginn eythian: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 21.0°C (10:00 AM NZDT on February 03, 2015). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 60%. Dew Point: 13.0°C. Pressure: 29.50 in 999 hPa (Steady).
21:34 eythian no snow
21:34 though, gale force winds, but that's nothing new
21:35 wizzyrea I miss the wind when it's not there. I prefer it really.
21:35 it's too hot when the wind goes.
21:35 eythian look at the person who doesn't have a bike :)
21:35 wizzyrea NZ sun is crazy hot.
21:35 without a breeze it's the most sweltering 23C you'll ever experience
21:35 I do feel for the cyclists.
21:36 :)
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21:57 mtj wiz,i've really grown to like the wind around wgtn too
21:57 cait :)
21:58 mtj great for kite flying
21:59 off-topic... anyone recommend any android fones?
21:59 what are people using these days?
22:00 cait my phone is a dinosaur... so can't really help :)
22:01 mtj ha, all good cait
22:02 im guessing the catalyst folk have some hot tips
22:03 rangi @later tell joubu ive removed the balance column
22:03 huginn rangi: The operation succeeded.
22:06 rangi @later tell joubu also it is not looking at bugzilla at all, this is purely from git, so it counts all sign offs, including qa and release manager etc
22:06 huginn rangi: The operation succeeded.
22:07 rangi @later tell joubu also means it cant know if it is a bug or an enhancement, its purely the number of patches authored, grouped by organisation, and the number of sign offs by organisation
22:07 huginn rangi: The operation succeeded.
22:14 * dcook waves
22:14 rangi hi dcook
22:14 dcook hey rangi
22:15 mtj: I bought a S3 online just as the S4 was coming out. Good price and it's been a good phone.
22:15 Really though... I'd probably just look at the specs and see what you like
22:15 Regarding size, speed, etc.
22:16 * dcook is tempted to use Cyanogenmod over Android actually
22:19 eythian cyanogenmod ⊂ android
22:19 wizzyrea also cyanogen is now in league with microsoft?
22:20 cait hm stuck on my facets problem
22:20 i hae checked that dom is activated in koha-conf... the facet entries are there
22:20 also the facet configuration in the dom xsl
22:21 nothing on the about page
22:22 problem: my facets are not showing up, like the problem described on the mailing list today
22:23 nothing in the logs either
22:23 rangi what happens if you turn zebra facets off
22:23 cait just switch the koha-conf entry?
22:23 i will try sec
22:24 dcook eythian: ⊂?
22:24 cait restarted the zebrasrv too
22:24 oooh
22:24 facets are back
22:24 eythian dcook: subset of
22:24 dcook wizzyrea: Apparently microsoft is investing in it
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22:25 eythian dcook: you never studied...
22:25 wizzyrea http://arstechnica.com/gadgets[…]away-from-google/
22:25 dcook eythian: Never studied...?
22:25 eythian: A quick google showed me the opposite for superset. I guess I should have inferred the answer :p
22:25 eythian to recognise a subset when you see one :)
22:25 dcook wizzyrea: Yeah that's the one I read too
22:25 cait rangi: ok, so the zebra facets are not working.. i had the idea maybe they were not being indexed correctly = not showing up, nothing in the facet index
22:25 but i am not sure how to confirm that
22:26 dcook cait: you could try using yaz-client to find out
22:26 cait could you guide me how to?
22:26 dcook yep
22:27 Let's see if I have a good setup so that I can do it at the same time..
22:27 cait: have you used yaz-client before?
22:28 cait once or twice but ages ago
22:30 dcook cait: So go to koha-conf.xml
22:30 And copy the contents of <listen id="biblioserver"></listen>
22:31 Mine is "unix:/home/dcook/koha-dev/v​ar/run/zebradb/bibliosocket"
22:31 cait ok
22:31 dcook Then type into the command line "yaz-client unix:/home/dcook/koha-dev/va​r/run/zebradb/bibliosocket"
22:31 but with your own socket address
22:32 Just give me a sec to setup my zebra conf..
22:32 cait should i turn facets back on before that?
22:32 dcook Nah, it shouldn't matter.
22:32 Because we'll be doing the facet queries directly
22:34 cait ok
22:34 dcook Ok, now let's see...
22:35 type in "base biblios"
22:35 then... "elements zebra::facet::any:w,title:w,title:0"
22:35 eythian hmph, the dev meeting is on a public holiday.
22:35 cait oh arg
22:35 h
22:36 thursday?
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22:36 eythian cait: friday the 6th
22:37 cait dcook: nothing happened
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22:37 dcook Ah, my bad. It might be a configuration thing
22:37 Try..
22:37 "elements zebra::facet::any:w"
22:38 "format xml"
22:38 then "find test"
22:38 then "show"
22:38 That should show you the zebra facets for your search
22:38 (sort of)
22:38 cait ineresting
22:38 pasting sec
22:39 http://paste.koha-community.org/387
22:39 dcook If that's the case, then I wonder a bit about your configuration..
22:39 Could you do "list_all" and paste the output of that?
22:40 More importantly actually...
22:40 You you paste the contents of...
22:41 /koha-dev/etc/zebradb/retrieval-info-bib-dom.xml
22:41 Because "elements zebra::facet::any:w" should work, if retrieval-info-bib-dom.xml is setup correctly
22:41 cait i am on it
22:41 dcook :)
22:42 cait http://paste.koha-community.org/388
22:43 dcook Hmm, that's surprising..
22:44 cait hm?
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22:45 dcook cait: I'm surprised that you got that error message, as your conf looks OK
22:45 cait werid indeed then
22:45 and confusing
22:46 dcook You restarted zebrasrv as well... so that's ok...
22:48 cait could it be a wrong path or something
22:48 =
22:48 pointing to another file?
22:48 dcook I'm wondering a bit about that
22:48 Hmm, I just tried mangling my conf, and got a different error
22:48 "[25] Specified element set name not valid for specified database -- v2 addinfo 'zebra::facet::title:w'"
22:49 Interestingly enough... I don't actually even seem to need "<retrieval syntax="xml" name="zebra::*"/>" in my conf..
22:51 I know I've got that same error message you've gotten before though...
22:51 mtj dcook: thanks for the facet info.. very handy :0)
22:52 dcook mtj: a lot of it is in bug 11232 :)
22:52 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=11232 new feature, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, RESOLVED FIXED, Retrieve facets from Zebra
22:52 dcook But it's a massive bug so a bit tough to root through... so you're welcome!
22:52 cait: what happens if we try something else?
22:53 like "elements"
22:53 Are you able to retrieve records?
22:53 cait sec
22:53 nothin
22:53 f
22:53 dcook I thought that might be the case
22:53 Maybe try reindexing your db
22:53 cait i did :(
22:53 with -r
22:53 dcook and it worked?
22:53 cait yeah
22:54 dcook So when you say nothing... what do you see?
22:54 you might need to try "find test" again
22:54 as "show" cycles through the records
22:54 and will give you an error once you hit the end
22:54 cait cs_put: System (lower-layer) error: Broken pipe
22:54 dcook Oh my
22:54 * dcook tries to recall if he's ever seen that one
22:55 dcook Maybe let's try existing yaz-client and starting over again
22:55 So type "quit"
22:55 cait just a new line in the z command
22:55 dcook Ctrl + C
22:55 cait restart?
22:55 dcook Sounds like yaz-client isn't having a good time
22:56 Just try to exit out of the yaz-client Z> commmand
22:56 cait i did
22:56 dcook Perfect. Then yeah, try "yaz-client unix:..." again
22:56 rangi https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Ls5j5iz2eA
22:57 dcook hehe
22:57 cait dcook: which commands?
22:57 dcook cait: where are you now?
22:58 cait i did base biblios
22:58 find test
22:58 show
22:58 and it shows results
22:58 dcook Cool
22:58 So let's just try "format xml"
22:58 and "show 1"
22:58 cait marcxml
22:59 dcook Hmm, same, which is actually not what I expected originally
22:59 Try... "elements index"
22:59 then "show 1" again
23:00 cait i see the indexes
23:00 butnothing about facets
23:01 dcook Yep, that's all right
23:01 There shouldn't be anything about facets yet
23:01 cait ok
23:01 dcook Now try "elements zebra::facet::title:w"
23:01 then "show 1"
23:02 cait Diagnostic message(s) from database:
23:02 [25] Specified element set name not valid for specified database -- v2 addinfo ''
23:02 nextResultSetPosition = 2
23:02 Elapsed: 0.000711
23:02 dcook That's so bizarre..
23:02 cait yeah :(
23:03 dcook I'm sure I've seen that before, but not in a long time
23:03 I do have a few different config options though so I'm going to try changing them and trying again
23:04 Nope, that's not it
23:05 It looks like you're not using the retrievalinfo fallback in koha-conf.xml, or else "elements index" wouldn't have worked
23:05 You're certain that the retrieval-info-bib-dom.xml file is the one pointed to in your koha-conf.xml?
23:06 cait i will check
23:06 dcook Oh, I think I might have an idea..
23:07 Are you using ICU?
23:08 wizzyrea I think the person on the list mentioned ICU.
23:08 cait hm not sure
23:08 let's verify
23:08 dcook Yeah, I'm looking at an old list entry
23:08 wizzyrea either way, somehow these two problems are bouncing around in my consciousness together.
23:08 dcook Apparently I got "[25] Specified element set name not valid for specified database -- v2 addinfo ''" once upon a time... although it looks like it was for both ICU and non-ICU
23:08 But it was when I used "index:0"
23:09 That's why I specifically wanted to try "index:w" instead..
23:09 cait hm
23:09 looking into my xsl file
23:10 dcook Apparently the error went away once I was indexing ":0" in my xsl..
23:10 cait <z:index name="su-to:0">
23:10 <xslo:value-of select="marc:subfield[@code='a']"/>
23:10 </z:index>
23:12 dcook: did you see the mailing list mail with the same problem?
23:12 dcook I don't think so?
23:12 When was it?
23:12 * dcook doesn't read the mailing list most of the time
23:12 cait today
23:12 dcook General or devel?
23:13 cait koha main list
23:13 from cindy murdock ames
23:13 dcook Fwd:  Facets missing on fresh dev install of 3.18.3
23:13 Ah, k
23:13 I'll look
23:13 eythian dcook: what do you do for your daily dose of entertainment/dispair if you don't read the list?
23:14 dcook dcook: Facebook
23:14 wahanui rumour has it Facebook is *not* a universal authenticator
23:14 dcook Wow, I just addressed myself
23:14 I think that really says it all, in a way
23:14 eythian: ^
23:14 eythian haha
23:14 dcook cait: Interesting. Certainly interesting.
23:15 cait and i am seeing it 2... which ... makes it look like something weird is going on
23:15 dcook Oooh, I just managed to get the same error when I tried..
23:15 zebra::facet::*
23:15 Another thought... what version of Zebra are you using, cait?
23:15 cait oh good call
23:15 how to check most easily
23:16 dcook Good question
23:16 Actually, another question would be YAZ versions
23:16 cait i tried zebrasrv -v
23:16 dcook "yaz-client -V"
23:16 will tell you about yaz
23:16 cait 2.0.59
23:17 dcook zebraidx -V
23:17 wizzyrea sudo apt-cache policy idzebra-2.0 also works
23:17 if you installed zebra with a package.
23:17 dcook wizzyrea: If you're on a Debian based system :p
23:17 yeah
23:17 cait seems all give the same
23:17 2.0.59
23:17 dcook Hmm, I'm using 2.0.47... don't know if that really makes a difference
23:17 I would think newer would be better
23:17 * wizzyrea is using 2.0.44
23:18 dcook If you hadn't shown me the "list_all" I'd feel like the elements weren't set right, but it looked ok
23:19 cait: I'm getting that same error message when I type in a bad index name..
23:19 I wonder..
23:19 cait: try "zebra::facet::Title:w"
23:19 I swear that I encountered a case sensitivity thing once
23:20 It later seemed that I was crazy, but it's worth a show perhaps
23:20 cait hm
23:20 dcook It's probably crazy, but..
23:20 cait unknwn command?
23:20 dcook Ah, sorry
23:20 "elements zebra::facet::Title:w"
23:20 cait just a new line
23:20 no feedback
23:20 dcook Maybe you timed out... try exiting and entering yaz-client again
23:21 Your yaz-client/zebra seems a bit tempermental
23:21 Which is odd as mine is usually pretty rock solid..
23:22 I have one or two more ideas in any case :)
23:22 cait nothing just a new line
23:22 did the base biblios
23:22 dcook So you did "base biblios" then "elements zebra::facet::Title:w" ?
23:22 cait and then the elemnts
23:22 did i miss a step?
23:23 dcook "format xml"
23:23 but I'm surprised it just gave a new line
23:23 It should've spat out an error message
23:23 cait nothing
23:23 quiet
23:24 dcook You did "find test"
23:24 and "show 1"?
23:24 cait always the same error :(
23:24 dcook That's ok
23:24 try "elements index" again
23:24 I want to see some of the output of that..
23:25 cait hm
23:25 what exactly
23:25 ?
23:25 dcook Mmm
23:25 Maybe the top bit of output?
23:25 Like...
23:25 * dcook will give an example
23:26 pastebot "dcook" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "example of "elements index"" (25 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/390
23:27 dcook I suppose if I were smart, I would've actually upgraded my dev system to master
23:27 This is... either 3.14.5 or 3.17
23:27 cait http://paste.koha-community.org/391
23:27 dcook Cool
23:27 So let's try "elements zebra::facet::Control-number:w"
23:27 As we know there is definitely something there
23:28 Or maybe... "elements zebra::facet::Bib-level:w"
23:28 cait maybe i am doing it wrong
23:28 dcook Since I don't have Control-number
23:28 cait do i type this just after the last output?
23:28 or do i need to do something in between?
23:28 dcook You can just enter "elements zebra::facet::Bib-level:w"
23:28 It should be fine
23:29 cait nothing...
23:29 wahanui hmmm... nothing is a requirement, we have guidelines though
23:29 dcook Same error message then?
23:29 cait nope
23:29 just a new line
23:29 on sending it
23:29 dcook Can you paste that output?
23:29 Sorry, I keep making assumptions
23:29 cait nextResultSetPosition = 2
23:29 Elapsed: 0.040626
23:29 Z> elements zebra::facet::Control-number:w
23:29 Z> elements zebra::facet::Bib-level:w
23:29 Z>
23:29 dcook After "elements zebra::facet::Bib-level:w"
23:29 You should put:
23:30 "find test"
23:30 "show 1"
23:30 Sorry, I'm giving bad instructions :p
23:30 cait it's ok
23:30 now we are back to the same error
23:30 dcook Very very interesting
23:30 cait getting late here so I am probably not perfect following instructions either
23:30 [25] Specified element set name not valid for specified database -- v2 addinfo ''
23:31 dcook Hmm... I notice something weird with your last pasted output..
23:32 If you look at mine, you see this z:id="516"
23:32 But on yours...
23:32 cait hm
23:32 what about the element set name
23:32 can we check this?
23:32 dcook It looks like an entire record... instead of just the bib number..
23:33 cait dcook: i agree
23:33 it is the entire record
23:33 dcook Well, the element set name should be defined in "retrieval-info-bib-dom.xml"
23:33 I don't think there is a way to check available element set names from yaz :S
23:33 Which seems silly to me personally
23:33 cait: Yeah, I wonder why that is..
23:34 When you index Zebra, do you use the -x flag?
23:34 cait hm not always
23:34 we can try that
23:34 dcook It might be worthwhile to try it
23:35 cait hm did
23:36 dcook And still no luck?
23:38 cait bad news
23:38 wahanui bad news is that you're probably royally screwed
23:38 cait now my serach is broken
23:38 dcook :S
23:38 Something is rotten in the state of Denmark.
23:39 cait yeah def
23:39 all i changed is facets to 1
23:39 nothing in the logs
23:39 restarted zebra
23:40 no errors on indexing
23:40 i have no clue
23:40 dcook Hmm, well, I've thought more about the element set name in any case
23:40 But that's probably not it, I have a feeling it's something with your whole... setup?
23:41 So search is broken in koha?
23:41 What happens if you try it in yaz-client now?
23:41 cait yeah but it worked before
23:44 dcook cait: Are you able to get results back in yaz-client?
23:44 just using "format xml" and "elements"
23:44 and - of course - "find test" and "show 1"
23:45 cait yes
23:48 works
23:48 dcook Hmm, so something is up with Koha
23:48 :S
23:49 Mind you, that z:id thing still bothers me..
23:49 cait yeahme too
23:50 dcook Oh... it looks like we're creating that..
23:50 Using "biblio-zebra-indexdefs.xsl"
23:51 <xslo:variable name="idfield" select="normalize-space(marc:datafield[@​tag='999']/marc:subfield[@code='c'])"/>
23:51 At least that's the version I have
23:51 And that's what I'm getting in my z:id..
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23:52 dcook Not sure what's happening with your records, cait :S
23:53 cait <xslo:attribute name="z:id">
23:53 <xslo:value-of select="$idfield"/>
23:53 </xslo:attribute>
23:53 ?
23:53 dcook Yeah
23:53 cait <xslo:variable name="idfield" select="normalize-space()"/>
23:53 there
23:53 dcook O_o
23:53 cait let me try yours
23:53 dcook Interesting
23:53 wahanui Interesting is, like, sometimes good and sometimes bad
23:54 dcook k
23:54 I'll also look at the git..
23:54 Yeah, mine is the same as the git
23:55 (at least in that spot)
23:55 cait gah no change
23:55 hm
23:55 maybe
23:55 my files are not up to date?
23:55 dcook That's what I'm wondering
23:55 wahanui wondering is anyone has any good z39.5 libraries that have already cataloged Scholastic books. Having a hard time finding any of the scholastic books for the school that I work at.
23:56 dcook Of course,  "biblio-zebra-indexdefs.xsl" is created by..
23:56 koha-indexdefs-to-zebra.xsl
23:56 wahanui koha-indexdefs-to-zebra.xsl is still used.
23:56 dcook <xslo:variable name="idfield">
23:56 55                     <xsl:attribute name="select">normalize-space(<xsl:value-of select="//kohaidx:id"/>)</xsl:attribute>
23:56 56                 </xslo:variable>
23:57 cait hm what are you saying?
23:57 dcook Well, maybe your files are up-to-date is what I'm thinking
23:57 I don't even see a //kohaidx:id in "biblio-koha-indexdefs.xml" in the git
23:57 Give me just a few secs
23:58 cait i think it's even more broke n than before
23:58 ok
23:58 dcook Ah, I see it now
23:58 Not the overall thing
23:58 But kohaidx:id
23:59 Can you paste in the top of "etc/zebradb/marc_defs/marc21/bib​lios/biblio-koha-indexdefs.xml"?
23:59 There should be a line "<id>marc:datafield[@tag='999']​/marc:subfield[@code='c']</id>" near the top

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