IRC log for #koha, 2015-01-15

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00:13 barton rangi -- couldn't agree more about functional logic in TT.
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00:17 barton In any case, we need something powerful enough in the 'letter' templates that we don't have to write code every time we add a new letter. I only suggested TT because I know it's up to the task. The fifty zillion ways of representing details in messages gets very hard to support.
00:19 wizzyrea it would be good if a default letter, or the content of the default letter were added to every new cloned notice.
00:19 barton The other major problem with notices is that they're hard to test... it would be nice to be able to click a button and see what the generated notice looked like.
00:19 wizzyrea I agree, I filed a bug about that ages ago ;)
00:19 "test mode for notices"
00:20 bug 8000
00:20 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8000 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, philippe.blouin, Needs Signoff , Test mode for notices
00:20 wizzyrea oh look, it's needs signoff.
00:21 Francesca hello! rangi is there anything I can help with?
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00:31 rangi hmm i dont think so Francesca, unless you can think of some bugs that people could fix
00:32 Francesca I dont think I know any sorry
00:32 oh well
00:42 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 12850: C4::Serials::GetLateIssues can be removed <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]b0eeef9bcb4fdfd6e> / Bug 13537 - Focus should move to barcode after renewing via checkouts table <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]88696bad1286823ad> / Bug 13564: Items search: rename Stock number to Inventory number <http://git.koh
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00:48 anonymous wizzyrea?
00:48 wahanui wizzyrea is a Cylon, and they all have plans.
00:48 anonymous omg shh
00:49 wahanui?
00:49 wahanui anonymous?
00:49 anonymous anonymous?
00:49 be quiet?
00:50 dcook Ah, anonymous is Abby?
00:50 Thanks for that sign off earlier :)
00:50 Francesca anoymous is abby doing the catalyst academy?
00:50 if so hi anoymous
00:50 dcook I suppose there could be a few Abbys...
00:51 * dcook goes back to juggling three bugs at once
00:51 * wizzyrea waves
00:51 * eythian points to the 'whois' command
00:52 Francesca hi wizzyrea!
00:52 wizzyrea hi there :)
00:52 Francesca hows the academy project week going?
00:52 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 12889: Updated pod for C4::Members::AddMember <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]962a75782067b2c9a>
01:01 wizzyrea would seem to be going ok, http://scoreboard.koha-community.org
01:04 Francesca I like the page
01:05 hey rangi I'm gonna be in town all day tomorrow. Do you guys need a hand at the academy or something? I know its the last day but I'm around so
01:09 anonymous come for pizza
01:11 rangi yeah you could come in round lunch and stay for the presenations if you wanted
01:17 anonymous wait dcook how did you know?
01:17 dcook Hmm?
01:17 Know what?
01:19 wizzyrea don't creep out our youngsters!
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01:23 eythian oh goody, C4::SQLHelper has its own memcache code which uses the koha-conf values, not the envvars like the entire rest of the codebase.
01:24 * eythian hopes SQLHelper gets taken out back and quietly retired some time soon
01:24 wizzyrea <wide eyes>
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01:25 wizzyrea retired. with a bullet.
01:25 krumpingallthetime ?
01:25 * eythian nukes it from orbit. It's the only way to be sure.
01:26 wizzyrea *snerk*
01:26 eythian rangi: things are going awry
01:26 krumpingallthetime wahanui?
01:27 eythian bugs.k-c seems to be gone
01:27 wahanui yes, krumpingallthetime?
01:27 jenkins_koha Project Koha_Master_D7 build #288: UNSTABLE in 41 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]ha_Master_D7/288/
01:27 * Marcel de Rooy: Bug 13204: Plugin housekeeping: Remove labs_theses.pl plugin
01:27 * Olli-Antti Kivilahti: Bug 13222 - Accessors for import_record.status have variable names suggesting overlay_status
01:27 * Kyle M Hall: Bug 13290 - Add better feedback for returns to the checkouts table
01:27 * Rochelle: Bug 13564: Items search: rename Stock number to Inventory number
01:27 * Kyle M Hall: Bug 13537 - Focus should move to barcode after renewing via checkouts table
01:27 * Jonathan Druart: Bug 12850: C4::Serials::GetLateIssues can be removed
01:28 rangi eythian: looking now
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01:29 Francesca sweet I shall be there at lunch time :) See you then
01:29 eythian rangi: 504 Gateway Time-out
01:29 rangi yeah someome slammed bugzilla
01:29 used up all mysql connections
01:30 try now eythian
01:31 eythian it appears to be a fully armed and operational battle station
01:33 dcook That's no moon...
01:36 Hmm, is there a system preference for auto-generating username and password?
01:36 I guess userid is generated automatically but not password
01:37 So ACCTDETAILS will never be sent unless a username and password are specified... which makes sense
01:37 Although I suppose if there is no password the email could say something like "Password: currently disabled"
01:37 wizzyrea token system.
01:38 we need a token system for passwords.
01:38 dcook Yeah, that would be heaps better
01:38 wizzyrea "I've created you an account, click here to set your password"
01:38 dcook I suppose it's possible that they create their account at the circ desk...
01:38 But yeah... that would still work
01:38 As they don't need a password until they try to login themselves
01:39 wizzyrea oh I could scope creep the hell out of that feature
01:40 dcook lol
01:40 wizzyrea I can imagine a patron being all "I don't want to tell you my password for you to input it"
01:40 dcook Yeah, that's fair enough
01:40 wizzyrea so you'd need an option to send them an email with a token to change it
01:40 on the main borrower add screen
01:40 dcook Mmm
01:40 That would tie into the password recovery system quite easily
01:41 Or could rather
01:41 wizzyrea yeah exactly - a new user with no password is essentially a user with a lost password.
01:41 dcook Having that system would probably make my life way easier...
01:41 wizzyrea except one gets a "welcome to the library" email, the other would get a "reset your password" email
01:42 dcook Yeah
01:42 wizzyrea or just say "set your password" and be done with it.
01:42 "Hi, you've got an account here, you should set your password. Here are some handy links in case you've forgotten..."
01:43 eythian probably would also be good to help engagement with the opac
01:43 wizzyrea *nod*
01:43 there was a forgot password dev for a while
01:43 dcook Yeah, I think Blou was doing it
01:43 wizzyrea it got stuck in qa
01:44 dcook I wrote us a token-based password reset a while ago, but it's in PHP. I haven't gotten around to converting it to Perl, and it needs some improvements... and then I saw Blou's so I figured I'd wait it out
01:45 I recall there being some issue with the tokens... I think
01:49 @karma abby
01:49 huginn dcook: Karma for "abby" has been increased 1 time and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 1.
01:50 dcook But in the meantime before token-based password setting... what do folks think about sending the password even if the password isn't set?
01:51 I see the point of only sending it when there's a password... as that's the only time that the patron will have credentials that they can actually use to log in
01:51 I suppose we can't put "disabled" or something though, as that would be a translation nightmare
01:51 * Francesca waves at abby
01:52 wizzyrea I think don't send
01:52 eythian what purpose would sending them achieve? If they have no password, they effectively have no account.
01:53 dcook Well, I suppose in our case we do have a password reset that they could use.
01:53 They'd have an account, just no way to access it.
01:54 I suppose it depends on what ACCTDETAILS says. If they're students, it could let them know which email address is associated with what username with their library account.
01:54 I seem to recall there being a random password generator that a person could use..
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02:05 dcook Hmm, I must be mad
02:06 eythian wizzyrea: looks like I collect on the bet after all
02:06 wizzyrea hahahaha
02:06 damn.
02:07 dcook Ahhh, right
02:07 It's "Change password" which has the auto generator
02:08 jenkins_koha Project Koha_Master_D7 build #289: NOW UNSTABLE in 41 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]ha_Master_D7/289/
02:08 शंतनू: Bug 12889: Updated pod for C4::Members::AddMember
02:08 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=12889 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Pushed to Master , Improving documentation in C4::Members.pm
02:10 dcook I suppose you could have it auto-generate a random password if one isn't created...
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02:22 jenkins_koha Starting build #33 for job Koha_3.18.x_U14 (previous build: SUCCESS)
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03:19 dcook Hmm...
03:19 pastebot "dcook" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "While installing koha-common on Ubuntu 14.04" (2 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/366
03:20 eythian dcook: I think you're missing the actual error
03:20 dcook Ahh, right, that's the apache stuff
03:20 eythian: Agreed :)
03:20 eythian I did an install on 14.04 about ... 20 minutes ago, and it worked (with the apache caveat.)
03:21 dcook So what did you do in regards to Apache?
03:21 I installed koha-deps and koha-perldeps on Ubuntu 14.04 a while ago and it was all right, but I installed and configured apache ahead of time
03:23 Hmm, looks like doing it after works fine too..
03:23 eythian dcook: you follow the instructions in the documentation :)
03:23 dcook Well, those aren't instructions per se
03:23 They're notes
03:23 It doesn't say anything about doing it before or after encountering a problem
03:23 eythian http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]hooting_Ubuntu_14.04
03:23 "If you see...then run..." are pretty instructional
03:23 dcook Interesting...
03:23 wahanui interesting is sometimes good and sometimes bad
03:23 dcook I was looking at http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]:_Troubleshooting
03:24 rangi and something that tcohen will like
03:24 dcook Which says "If you encounter problems, see Appendix B."
03:24 tcohen ?
03:24 dcook Which I suppose is arguably "do this after", I suppose
03:24 eythian yeah, those instructions are too verbose, imo
03:24 dcook Yeah, I like the set you linked to better
03:24 At least in this regard
03:24 eythian http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]lk:Koha_on_Debian <-- I recommend this, I just need to polish it up a bit
03:25 dcook Mmm beauty
03:26 wizzyrea eythian++ those are straightforward instructions.
03:26 dcook Ahhh, I was wondering why I didn't install mysql-server manually
03:26 It's cause koha-deps has mysql-server...
03:26 When doing my AWS install on 14.04... not this one
03:27 eythian the purpose of koha-deps is just to make development a bit easier by chasing up the dependencies for you.
03:27 wizzyrea it's sensible to me to not include mysql-server, once I understood why
03:28 dcook wizzyrea: totally
03:28 eythian: makes sense
03:28 tcohen hi dcook wizzyrea eythian
03:28 eythian hello tcohen
03:28 dcook I used it to handle deps for me when doing a source install :p
03:28 Ideally I would've used packages, but long story...
03:28 wizzyrea tcohen, hi
03:28 dcook yo tcohen :)
03:28 eythian ah yep, that's a legit enough use
03:28 wizzyrea you must have a wee cohen
03:28 eythian ...
03:28 wizzyrea keeping you awake
03:29 eythian wizzyrea: I assume tcohen is already toilet trained.
03:29 dcook eythian: If I find the time some day, I'd love to build a yum/rpm equivalent
03:29 wizzyrea shh
03:29 wee small, silly
03:29 dcook Did I say love?
03:29 Sort of like?
03:29 hehe
03:29 tcohen eythian: avoid slang!
03:29 dcook hehe
03:29 * dcook was just about to ask about manuel
03:29 tcohen ah, Manuel
03:29 eythian dcook: g'luck, the debian one has only spend ~4 years being polished :)
03:29 tcohen Cecilia is feeding him
03:29 eythian tcohen: where's the fun in avoiding slang?
03:29 tcohen he sleeps most of the night!
03:30 wizzyrea manuel++
03:30 good boy.
03:30 tcohen yeah
03:30 wizzyrea I had a question for you
03:30 if you are not too sleepy.
03:30 re: the video
03:30 wahanui the video is on
03:30 tcohen i've just arrived from a day on a pool
03:30 shoot
03:30 dcook eythian: hehe, yeah, even if I copied a lot of what you've already done, I'm sure it would be heaps more work..
03:30 tcohen pool + wifi
03:31 wizzyrea: the video... ?
03:31 wahanui the video is on
03:31 wizzyrea so it would be cool if we had a bit shorter version, would the lovely ladies who made it be ok with it being trimmed down?
03:31 the koha-community video
03:31 not as a replacement version, but like the elevator pitch version
03:32 it's perfect and beautiful, and would love to have the essence of the message in a slightly shorter form oh god I feel terrible
03:32 dcook Interesting... I can't seem to set the password for the root user in mysql..
03:32 wizzyrea blargh
03:32 tcohen wizzyrea: i like the idea
03:33 something koha-specific
03:33 dcook eythian: Don't suppose you've run into that problem?
03:33 tcohen removing the kohacon part
03:33 wizzyrea yes, exactly
03:33 eythian dcook: why can't you seem to set the password?
03:33 tcohen will try
03:34 i guess they are on vacation now
03:34 will send them an email
03:34 wizzyrea if they are not interested, I also know someone here who would, given footage, be willing to give it a try.
03:34 so, options
03:34 tcohen i don't think they would mind
03:34 dcook eythian: It prompts and I put it in twice, but then it says it can't
03:34 I'll try to see what it exactly says
03:34 tcohen as it is CC-licenced
03:35 it just needs to preserve the attribution
03:35 wizzyrea ya, I figured :)
03:35 eythian dcook: you should see what the actual message is, but I haven't seen this before that I recall
03:35 dcook wtf...
03:35 Just tried doing it about... 5 times in a row
03:35 And after the 5th time, I no longer get any errors
03:35 wizzyrea well that's.. baffling.
03:36 dcook It said something about not being able to set it because the root password was already set, or it couldn't communicate with the mysql server
03:36 There was some other info I can't recall
03:36 tcohen eythian: each time you use slang i improve my googling skills
03:36 dcook hehe
03:36 tcohen but I miss some parts of the conversation
03:36 hopefully i'll do it real-time soon
03:36 eythian tcohen: someone has to keep you on your toes :D
03:37 tcohen heh
03:37 rangi tcohen: justin has fixed the cant attach a commit with git bz if there is utf8 in it
03:37 eythian dcook: was the mysql server running?
03:37 oh good
03:37 dcook eythian: I don't think so. It started up after the last attempt though
03:37 tcohen rangi: that's... awesome!
03:37 justin++
03:37 eythian dcook: you should read the error messages, they tell you what's going on :)
03:38 dcook :p
03:38 They were vague and baffling :p
03:38 tcohen night everyone
03:38 dcook night tcohen
03:39 eythian bye tcohen
03:39 dcook eythian: I notice you don't include the enabling of "mpm_prefork". Is that not necessary?
03:39 eythian nopw
03:39 e
03:39 dcook Sweet
03:39 I should take that out of my cookbook then
03:39 Already had cgi and rewrite in there and the disabling of event
03:40 Actually, the Chef version of this went way nicer than the manual version..
03:40 Probably handled things a bit smarter and suppressed some of the warnings..
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03:48 dcook Hmm, can't even open firefox on this VM
03:48 That's... interesting
03:49 wizzyrea what exactly are you trying to do?
03:49 dcook View a web page :p
03:50 wizzyrea no I meant, with koha
03:51 dcook Oh, I was just installing it on a VM to poke it
03:51 On Ubuntu 14.04 particularly
03:53 wizzyrea ah
03:53 rangi tcohen: http://git.koha-community.org/[…]fs/heads/fishsoup
03:54 tcohen =D =D
03:54 confeti!
03:54 confeti
03:54 wizzyrea: can u do it
03:54 dcook wizzyrea: In general, we don't use Debian-based operating systems here
03:55 But I'm using Ubuntu on AWS and that's worked really well
03:55 I use Chef to manage the configuration of those AWS instances
03:55 But yeah, this one on Virtualbox is just for seeing how things are working
03:55 wizzyrea confetti!
03:55 wahanui rumour has it confetti is http://25.media.tumblr.com/tum[…]1qh8hleo1_400.gif
03:55 wizzyrea confetti
03:55 wahanui confetti is https://31.media.tumblr.com/f5[…]1tt9lrzo6_250.gif
03:56 wizzyrea confetti
03:56 wahanui somebody said confetti was https://31.media.tumblr.com/f5[…]1tt9lrzo6_250.gif
03:56 wizzyrea lol dangit.
03:56 more confetti!
03:56 wahanui o/ '`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'​`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'
03:56 wizzyrea there we go
03:56 tcohen wizzyrea: thanks :-D
03:56 and good night
03:56 wahanui I watch you sleep.
03:57 wizzyrea yes, good night
03:57 wahanui I watch you sleep.
03:57 dcook Jeez... maybe I was too much of a scrooge with the resources...
03:57 eythian how much ram?
03:57 dcook 1gig
03:57 Pretty stingy
04:00 eythian my test boxes are typically about 192MB. But I don't do silly things like run a GUI on them.
04:01 dcook :p
04:02 I had the image I used to build my laptop just sitting there, so I figured I'd give it a whirl
04:03 I'm trying to remember if you need to play with the network settings to use your desktop browser..
04:03 eythian should just magically work
04:04 dcook Been too long since I've used vbox
04:04 The Debian machine I have is perfect
04:04 This one.
04:04 wahanui this one is probably cool as long as someone *wants* acknowledgement
04:04 dcook ..
04:05 Can't recall how to find the ip address I need to ssh in..
04:05 Wait, I'm not even sshing in
04:08 I do think I needed to set up a Host-only network adapter..
04:08 eythian haha
04:08 oh
04:08 yeah
04:08 you need a NAT and a host-only network
04:08 dcook I have for Debian but it's not even an option for Ubuntu... probably because it's still powered on
04:09 :p
04:09 Like I said, way too long since I"ve done this
04:09 eythian yeah, you can't add interfaces while it's running
04:09 dcook Yeah
04:11 There we go
04:11 Much better
04:11 Hmm
04:11 Although now that I think about it...
04:11 I'll still have to tunnel the http over ssh, no?
04:12 Hmm maybe not
04:12 Ahh, right
04:12 I'm a dolt
04:12 ports.conf
04:13 There we go :)
04:13 eythian it does work better if you plug it in :)
04:13 dcook hehe
04:13 eythian though, why do you need more ports anyway?
04:14 dcook Doing it just with ip addresses
04:14 So admin on 8080
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04:14 eythian ah
04:14 * eythian chooses to not do things the hard way
04:14 dcook Yeah, I wouldn't do this normally
04:14 eythian I just add an entry into the hosts /etc/hosts
04:15 oh right
04:15 I'm failing to achieve anything here today, I'm going to head off
04:15 dcook Yeah, that's what I would normally do too if I was going to just use ip
04:15 I know that feeling. Juggling too many things... so it seems like I haven't done a lot even though it's all slowly getting done..
04:15 ta eythian
04:18 Yep... had a feeling there was madness going on...
04:24 I'd actually planned to run up Ubuntu 14.04 for other purposes anyway, so I guess any excuse..
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06:04 cait justin_++
06:04 just seeing one of the academy studens appears to have fixed the problem with utf-8 characters in git-bz!
06:05 dcook :D
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06:18 dcook Looks at 2000+ emails of latest bug changes
06:18 Maybe I should go home instead...
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06:38 cait dcook: or sign off on a n academy patch ;)
07:04 meeting this morning... cya later
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07:20 * magnuse waves
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07:39 reiveune hello
07:39 wahanui kia ora, reiveune
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07:47 marcelr hi #koha
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08:00 alex_a bonjour
08:00 wahanui salut, alex_a
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08:03 Joubu hello
08:04 marcelr hi Joubu and alex_a
08:05 alex_a hello marcelr
08:08 fridolin hie all
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08:35 gaetan_B hello
08:44 ashimema ooh.. awsome
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08:59 magnuse ashimema: what?
08:59 ashimema 06:04 <cait> just seeing one of the academy studens appears to have fixed the problem with utf-8 characters in git-bz!
09:00 that bug has been nagging at me for ages
09:01 justin_++
09:04 Joubu cait: did you see my comment on bug 11345?
09:04 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=11345 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Passed QA , self registration captcha
09:04 Joubu comment 4
09:05 cait: do you know where is the fix (for git bz attach -e)?
09:06 ashimema I just pulled fishsoup..
09:06 there's a new commit in it Joubu
09:07 that's the UTF8 fix anyways
09:07 not sure about attach -e.. i've given up on it of late :(
09:09 Joubu outch, a 1 line patch to fix this **bip** bug!
09:09 Are you sure it fixes the -e option?
09:10 rangi yep
09:10 thats how we were testing it
09:10 ashimema awesome!
09:10 wahanui That'll be $1 for the awesome jar, ashimema
09:10 Joubu very good news
09:11 ashimema hope I've not been flooding the Academy keyword for you too muhc rangi..
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09:11 Joubu Is this author name is expected: http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]ment.cgi?id=35139 ?
09:11 rangi ashimema: all good
09:12 yeah
09:12 marcelr Joubu: in git log I saw it better
09:12 rangi it will look better in git log
09:12 Joubu hum, I don't, just [][][]
09:13 but if I c/p it, I got the correct chars. Problem with my term...
09:13 rangi it should be jsut 3 chars or so
09:13 ashimema Joubu.. was there a reason that the hea cronjob wasn't added to the crontab templates?
09:14 having it there at install time would mean hea was easier to setup.. i.e. just enable the syspref.. rather than dig into adding the script to cron?
09:15 Joubu ashimema: I don't know, I think it's an oversight
09:15 (oversight is the correct word??)
09:15 magnuse http://digital.deichman.no/blo[…]o-public-library/ :-)
09:15 ashimema yup..
09:15 cool..
09:15 I'm submitting a bug then ;)
09:16 Joubu ashimema: thanks, I will be happy to test it
09:16 rangi tomorrow is the end of the academy
09:17 http://scoreboard.koha-community.org/
09:17 can we crack 30 kittens
09:17 ashimema cool
09:18 Joubu Does somebody know what's happening to our log bot?
09:18 http://irc.koha-community.org/koha/2015-01-15
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09:21 rangi something keeps hammering bugzilla
09:21 and it maxes out connections to mysql
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09:21 rangi and then things like the dashboard, and logbot die
09:22 ill try to track it down tomorrow and add a new fail2ban rule to lock the ip out
09:22 ashimema just added another Academy bug.. help get to that magic 30 ;)
09:22 magnuse rangi: the numbers on the coreboard don't add up: 20 + 6 + 1 != 28
09:22 ashimema should be a simple one again
09:23 does Justins git-bz patch count perhaps magnuse.. I bet that wuoldn't show up
09:24 rangi magnuse: you get 2 kittens for rescuing a patch
09:31 magnuse ah, ok
09:36 Joubu rangi: Does Aleisha still working on Hea?
09:48 Do you know C4::SQLHelper is closed to
09:48 be removed?
09:48 see bug 11385
09:48 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=11385 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, yohann.dufour, Needs Signoff , C4::SQLHelper should be removed
09:49 Joubu The only blocker is bug 12633
09:49 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=12633 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, ASSIGNED , SQLHelper replacement - C4::Members
09:49 Joubu in C4::Members
09:49 So after a quick look, it seems that the only real patch blocking the deletion of C4::SQLHelper is bug 13021
09:49 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=13021 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , DataTables server-side processing - guarantor search
10:55 ashimema do we have any datatables with inline editing at all yet?
10:57 magnuse ashimema: maybe the quote of the day editor?
10:58 not sure if that uses datatables, but it does have inline editing in the table
10:58 * magnuse wanders off to find lunch
10:59 ashimema thanks magnuse
11:04 wow.. that was built in 2012..
11:06 slef hi all - is anyone using subjects organised into hierarchies?  I thought I'd seen it before with careful cataloguing and authorities but it doesn't look documented anywhere obvious
11:32 ashimema matts.. I've been meaning to test your CAS patches.. is there a CAS server I can use to test against anywhere?
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12:40 cait Joubu: sorry, was in a meeting all morning, reading back now
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13:15 barton good morning #koha!
13:15 oleonard Hi barton and everyone
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13:16 barton I did a major overhaul on the 'Customizing Notices and Slips' page. See http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]ips#Notice_Markup
13:18 oleonard barton++
13:21 barton I'm soliciting for help on filling in the bottom part of the table: CHECKOUT, RENEWAL, TRANSFERSLIP, HOLD, HOLDPLACED, RESERVESLIP, ASKED, CHECKED, ACCEPTED, REJECTED, OPAC_REG_VERIFY.
13:25 akafred Anyone know of anyone integrating Tagvision with Koha?
13:26 cait barton: that's really nice
13:26 saw it last night, it's a good idea
13:26 i'd like to try and add somet to it if i get the time
13:26 there is also <<today>> available on some slips
13:28 barton Thanks. I'll have to look for that. I'm also missing the markup which uses '----' before and after a detail section. I think that might be in Circulation.pm
13:33 cait hm not sure, it's for checkout and check-in slip - the DGST
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13:40 barton Also, if someone could update http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]aging_rewrite_RFC, that would be nice. Some of the changes have been made, others suggestions are obsolete. I'd like to make a link between Customising_Notices_and_Slips and the notifications RFC, but I don't want to do that until the latter has been brought into 2015.
13:41 magnuse barton++
13:43 barton anyway, I'm off to work tickets. ping me or @later me if you have further thoughts or comments.
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14:36 * Nicole C. Engard: fix typo
14:36 * Nicole C. Engard: update funds images
14:36 magnuse stockholm university library chooses Koha: http://www.sub.su.se/start/nyh[…]otek-valjer-koha/ (they will be self hosting)
14:40 nlegrand gaetan_B: is that your work? :)
14:41 cait wow cool
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14:58 paul_p hi #koha
15:06 gaetan_B nlegrand: not completely, but i like to think that we helped in convincing them :)
15:06 ashimema what datatables version are we running at the minute.. can't seem to find a version number
15:06 gaetan_B i do hope we'll get more work with them though, it has been one of my favourite projects last year
15:10 oleonard ashimema: 1.10.2
15:12 ashimema awesome.. thqanks oleonard..
15:13 where does it say the verison btw.. I couldn't find it
15:13 probably me just being blind
15:13 so we have all the 1.10 goodness.. i can make my service more sane :)
15:13 * cait likes sane
15:15 Joubu ashimema: head -n1 koha-tmpl/intranet-tmpl/lib/jquery​/plugins/jquery.dataTables.min.js
15:15 ashimema ooh.. thanks Joubu
15:16 nlegrand gaetan_B: nice :)
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16:03 reiveune bye
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16:17 Joubu Qaers: I have added a new check for the charset collate in the koha-qa repo, please update your repo
16:19 tcohen Joubu++
16:20 Joubu tcohen: there is no check for updatedatabase.pl, so be aware :)
16:21 tcohen Joubu: is the followup for kohastructure.sql ready?
16:22 Joubu tcohen: yes, it's pushed
16:25 tcohen looks like I forgot to takr my pill today
16:26 :-P
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16:28 tcohen Joubu: I think I was right, it is bug 13577
16:28 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=13577 blocker, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Signed Off , The correct COLLATE is not set to all DB tables
16:30 ashimema cheers Joubu
16:30 Joubu tcohen: hum? Maybe I forgot mine (pill) but I don't understand...
16:31 tcohen: you meant I didn't link the right bug number in the new commit on the koha-qa repo?
16:32 tcohen nope, was  just asking if someone is passing it, as it is a major one
16:33 Joubu tcohen: Why do you want a followup?
16:33 end of the day here...
16:34 tcohen ok, now i have both of my hands available
16:34 gaetan_B bye !
16:35 Joubu tcohen: the last updatedb entry is 11944, we don't need a followup for updatedb.pl
16:35 tcohen bug 13577 is signed-off, is anyone testing it so it gets passed-qa?
16:35 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=13577 blocker, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Signed Off , The correct COLLATE is not set to all DB tables
16:35 tcohen it patches kohastructure.sql
16:35 Joubu tcohen: yes :) but no need to fix updatedb.pl
16:36 tcohen i know, but I don't mean to say we need to patch updatedatabase.pl, at all!
16:36 Joubu 3.19.00.006 had updated all tables present at the moment (with the ones updatedb by 13577 in kohastructure.sql)
16:36 hum
16:36 tcohen yes, i'm only talking about "when can I push 13577"
16:37 :D
16:37 Joubu looks like I confused everybody, even french people on the other chan
16:38 tcohen hehehe
16:39 Joubu I need to leave the computer :)
16:39 see you tomorrow
16:40 ashimema haev a good evening Joubu
16:44 paul_p hi tcohen !
16:44 tcohen I've seen your email and fw: it to lds (laurent), our sysop
16:44 tcohen great
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17:21 * Nicole C. Engard: update anonymouspatron
17:21 * Nicole C. Engard: fix typo
17:27 mtj hi tcohen, have you got a tic for a jenkins Q?
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17:27 * Nicole C. Engard: add note about reading history deleting
17:27 * Nicole C. Engard: update anonymouspatron
17:27 * Nicole C. Engard: fix typo
17:28 mtj ..the ubuntu12 box has been failling for a while, on the 3.16 branch
17:28 the db seems to be missing a table column
17:29 DBD::mysql::st execute failed: Unknown column 'contact' in 'field list' at /srv/jenkins/workspace/Koha_​3.16.x_U12/C4/Bookseller.pm line 194.
17:29 http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]ha_3.16.x_U12/34/
17:30 tcohen hi mtj
17:30 mtj heya :)
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17:30 tcohen what do u need mtj
17:31 a fresh DB?
17:31 mtj looks like aqbooksellers table is missing the 'contact' column, on u12 box
17:31 hmm, i think so
17:31 this is the 1st time i have this problem, with jenkins
17:32 but, a fresh db sound good :)
17:32 tcohen: its a quick/easy thing to do?
17:33 tcohen it is
17:33 i have a 3.12.0 dump there
17:33 mtj ah cool, lets try that then
17:36 also.. no hurry :0)
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17:38 tcohen wip
17:38 done
17:38 try running it, you should see the updatedatabase.pl call make lots of updates
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17:40 * ashimema wants to cry...
17:40 oleonard :(
17:40 tcohen how is that?
17:40 :(
17:40 * ashimema started to work with datatables.editable assuming that as it's on the same site and from the same people as datatables it had the same license
17:41 ashimema oh well. back to manually adding jeditable calls to a datatables based table.. this should be 'fun'
17:41 dinner time now.. I bet someone else has made that mistake before.
17:41 mtj New BSD License, ashimema?
17:42 https://code.google.com/p/jque[…]atables-editable/
17:45 tcohen mtj: I triggered the build
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17:50 mtj awesome thanks
17:51 tcohen:  is there an option in jenkins, to trigger a build?
17:52 i've never spotted it, myself
17:52 tcohen you need a login
17:57 mtj ok, i have a login, http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]mtj@kohaaloha.com
18:02 tcohen: the 3.16-deb6 box seems to be missing a Moose.pm dep (also failling)
18:02 http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]b/Koha_3.18.x_D6/
18:03 tcohen mtj: that's because that dep was removed, and it uses koha-perldeps to pull them
18:03 can u drop me an email about it?
18:04 i need to be AFK for some time now
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18:04 Nicole C. Engard: add cross link to opacprivacy
18:04 mtj no probs, tcohen
18:04 thanks for your help
18:06 the solr tests are failling without moose.pm - i could always just remove the tests :)
18:07 tcohen i guess so
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18:25 Yippee, build fixed!
18:25 wahanui o/ '`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`
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18:26 ashimema I was looking at http://editor.datatables.net/ mtj..
18:26 hadn't seen the New BSD licensed one you've found..
18:26 that's more promising.
18:28 mtj http://editor.datatables.net/purchase/index
18:28 yeah, pass on that ^
18:28 ashimema yeah.. exactly..
18:28 I didn't spot the purchase before I started working with the code..
18:28 as the rest of MIT I also thought it was MIT
18:29 .. then when i went to check a piece of the docs I saw the purchase link :(
18:29 sad
18:29 oh well.. the one you've spotted looks pretty reasonable ;)
18:29 and a bit easier than using jeditable
18:29 anywho.. one for tomorrow now me thinks
18:29 hope you guys got jenkins fixed ;)
18:35 mtj ta, the ubuntu12 is now sorted... just the deb6 to go
18:42 tcohen mtj: smae problem?
18:44 jenkins_koha Starting build #39 for job Koha_3.16.x_U14 (previous build: STILL FAILING)
18:50 tcohen mtj: i fixed u14 too
18:50 I know it doesn't look like that :-P
18:57 bye everyone
19:11 rangi morning
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19:33 Yippee, build fixed!
19:33 wahanui o/ '`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`
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19:43 rangi anyone around to do a quick test of bug 7996 ?
19:43 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7996 normal, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, Needs Signoff , Patron Modification Log Requires Parameters Permission
19:43 rangi last day of the academy today :)
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19:48 nengard I don't see a test plan on this : http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8337
19:49 can somoene tell me what the DefaultLongOverdueChargeValue preference is looking for?
19:49 what value am I putting in there? the lost authoritze value?
19:49 that's my guess
19:50 khall do you know ^^
19:50 jenkins_koha Yippee, build fixed!
19:50 wahanui o/ '`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`
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19:51 rangi <br>Example: [1] [30] Sets an item to the LOST value 1 when it has been overdue for more than 30 days
19:51 that help nengard ?
19:51 nengard rangi that's for the other preference
19:51 that's for DefaultLongOverdueLostValue
19:52 I'm looking at DefaultLongOverdueChargeValue
19:52 jenkins_koha Yippee, build fixed!
19:52 wahanui o/ '`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`
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20:02 wahanui o/ '`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`
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20:06 * Nicole C. Engard: add DefaultLongOverdue preferences
20:06 * Nicole C. Engard: update longoverdue cron
20:07 rangi ahh hmm
20:07 no idea then
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20:14 wizzyrea nengard: probably 1 or 0
20:14 1 fo charge, 0 for don't charge.
20:15 that's what the cronjob used to ask for
20:15 nengard yeah that's what i thought
20:15 wizzyrea I think.
20:15 nengard but then the way it was worded made it sound like it wanted the authorized value
20:15 and if it's just 1 or 0 then it should be a Yes/No pull down ...
20:15 or maybe i'm overthinking it
20:16 wizzyrea sounds like a qa thing to me
20:16 nengard yup
20:16 wizzyrea naw, you're probably right there, if it's 1/0 it should be labeled yes/no
20:16 users don't understand 1/0
20:16 nengard for now it's in the manual - or will be tomorrow - and then i'll update the bug report with a link
20:16 wizzyrea i'll have a quick look
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20:17 wizzyrea - <br>Leave this field empty if you don't want to charge the user for lost items.
20:17 so empty for no charge, and yeah I see what they've done here
20:18 it's different from the cron (sorry...)
20:18 they want the numeric value of the authorised value
20:18 so when an item changes to that value, it gets charged.
20:18 nengard okay - that's how i worded it in the manual
20:18 but i have another question
20:18 is it just if the item changes to that value via the longoverdue?
20:19 cause if so it seems silly to have that preference the way it is
20:19 it should be just charge or don't
20:19 cause the following pref asks for the authorized value
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20:19 Nicole C. Engard: add norwegian card preferences
20:19 nengard ... and i'm way way way behind on the manual and that's why i'm briniging it all up now
20:19 wizzyrea ah that's alright
20:20 I think this particular patch deals only with items marked with longoverdue
20:20 the cron.
20:20 wahanui the cron is sending it to that? Sounds like a system problem, not koha.
20:20 wizzyrea forget the cron
20:20 wahanui wizzyrea: I forgot cron
20:21 wizzyrea the "I marked this lost in the interface" charging is dealt with somewhere else
20:21 which seems dumb but whatever.
20:23 nengard hehe
20:23 got it
20:23 then i think what i wrote is okay
20:27 wizzyrea in defense of the patch, it is nice to be able to specify longoverdue values from the interface.
20:30 nengard oh i agree 100%
20:30 i wish it had all the values
20:30 like the --return (or whatever the value is)
20:30 wizzyrea yeah, should file a bug about that one
20:30 nengard i can do that
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20:30 wizzyrea not sure why it wasn't included, tbh
20:31 oversight, prolly
20:31 nengard what other values are there?
20:31 are there any others missing?
20:31 wizzyrea emmm
20:31 nengard the perldoc is empty on this puppy
20:33 pastebot "wizzyrea" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "nengard - what longoverdue *can* take" (20 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/367
20:33 nengard thanks
20:33 wizzyrea don't think we need to set verbose from the interface
20:33 nengard updating the manual
20:33 wizzyrea or quiet
20:33 that was just looking at the script - it's in misc/cronjobs
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20:34 Nicole C. Engard: add AllowRenewalIfOtherItemsAvailable
20:35 wizzyrea hrm, what is the best way to restore a deleted biblio?
20:36 can't say I've ever done this before.
20:36 nengard it's not easy
20:36 wizzyrea that part seems clear to me lol.
20:36 nengard hehe
20:37 okay - writing steps
20:37 insert into biblio where (select * from deletedbiblio where biblionumber=xxx)
20:37 delete frmo deletedbiblio where biblionumber=xxx
20:37 carmenh hiya rangi :D
20:38 nengard insert into biblioitems where (select * from deletedbiblioitems wher ebiblionumber=xxx)
20:38 delete from deletedbiblioitems where biblionumber=xxx
20:38 i think that's all ... anyone disagree?
20:39 wizzyrea yeah that seems sensible to me
20:39 nengard of course i'd leave out my typos
20:39 :)
20:42 wizzyrea http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=13589
20:45 wizzyrea nengard++ for like, 10 things this morning
20:45 afternoon, whatever.
20:47 nengard hehe
20:48 somewhere i screwed up .... git isn't matching up
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20:49 * Nicole C. Engard: update longoverdue cron doc
20:49 * Nicole C. Engard: update longoverdue cron
20:52 wizzyrea ftr, it's just:  insert into biblio (select * from deletedbiblio where biblionumber=1)
20:52 no where :)
20:53 rangi hey carmenh
20:53 wahanui I LOVE DISNEY
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20:54 Nicole C. Engard: update longoverdue cron doc
20:54 carmenh I love Disney too wahanui
20:54 :D
20:55 I had an internship there years ago :)
20:55 how are things in NZ rangi :)
20:57 rangi warm
20:57 @wunder nzwn
20:57 hmm no huginn
20:57 wizzyrea partly cloudy, no chance of meatballs.
20:59 nengard hehe
21:00 carmenh you're talking to a bot :)
21:00 someone programmed wahanui to say that about you
21:00 hehe
21:00 nengard?
21:00 wahanui you are fast
21:00 carmenh lol ahhh
21:00 nengard see
21:00 rangi?
21:00 wahanui I LIKE ALMONDS! HAVE SOME NUTS!
21:00 wizzyrea wizzyrea?
21:00 wahanui rumour has it wizzyrea is silly
21:00 carmenh oops
21:00 lol
21:00 nengard I bet rangi is the one who made the bot say that
21:00 wizzyrea could have been anybody really :)
21:00 * carmenh feels silly but she still loves Disney :D
21:01 wizzyrea eythian?
21:01 wahanui eythian is an expert bot trainer
21:01 nengard which i think only rangi knows around here
21:01 the disney thing
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21:02 nengard okay i think the manual is fixed
21:02 still got about 20 more patches to review
21:02 and document
21:02 wahanui i heard document was not a stylesheet
21:02 nengard but i'm getting there
21:03 wahanui that is silly
21:03 wahanui ...but that is the intended behavior?...
21:03 nengard it might be
21:03 :)
21:04 wizzyrea wahanui is a learning bot.
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21:04 Yippee, build fixed!
21:04 wizzyrea he's full of nonsequiturs
21:04 wahanui o/ '`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`
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21:04 * Nicole C. Engard: add DefaultLongOverdue preferences
21:04 * Nicole C. Engard: Revert "add norwegian card preferences"
21:04 * Nicole C. Engard: add norwegian prefs
21:04 nengard WOO HOO
21:04 wizzyrea and a confetti throwing bot
21:04 rangi lets add more marc?
21:04 we should use more marc
21:04 wahanui http://02varvara.files.wordpre[…]no-bear.jpg?w=800
21:04 nengard more marc????
21:04 wahanui http://02varvara.files.wordpre[…]no-bear.jpg?w=800
21:04 nengard LOL
21:04 love it
21:05 wizzyrea nopetopus would also be appropriate there
21:05 nopetopus?
21:05 oh that should be a thing.
21:05 * nengard is confused
21:05 wizzyrea nopetopus is <reply> http://img.ly/system/uploads/0[…]/large_upload.jpg
21:05 nopetopus?
21:05 nengard and dizzy from the tail end of a migraine
21:05 wahanui http://img.ly/system/uploads/0[…]/large_upload.jpg
21:06 nengard well okay then
21:06 wizzyrea aw forget nopetopus
21:06 forget nopetopus
21:06 wahanui wizzyrea: I forgot nopetopus
21:06 nengard why?
21:06 no forgetting
21:06 wizzyrea nopetopus is <reply> http://reactiongif.org/wp-cont[…]-run-away-GIF.gif
21:06 that's better :D
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21:08 rangi yeah buddy
21:08 wahanui https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BD0mif8R9vQ
21:08 wizzyrea https://scontent-a.xx.fbcdn.ne[…]1f82b&oe=55264E21 nengard
21:08 sorry I couldn't find a rainbow butterfly unicorn sheltie.
21:09 ibeardslee keep searching
21:09 rangi wow rfid thread brings out the consultants
21:09 wizzyrea chide chide chide
21:09 much finger waggling.
21:10 rangi consultants?
21:10 wahanui http://demotivators.despair.co[…]ngdemotivator.jpg
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21:12 wizzyrea LOL!
21:12 rangi++ that was a good laugh.
21:14 nengard wnickc !!
21:14 you're famous now :)
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21:19 Project Koha_Docs build #602: SUCCESS in 1 min 18 sec: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]ob/Koha_Docs/602/
21:19 * Nicole C. Engard: update notices templates
21:19 * Nicole C. Engard: update Add and delete budgets permission
21:20 wnickc huh?  I am?
21:20 wizzyrea I want to do something like this for Koha
21:20 https://static1.squarespace.co[…]518/?format=1000w
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21:20 wizzyrea with applicable stats, of course.
21:20 specifically of interest
21:20 is the "development costs" section.
21:21 wnickc nengard:  I've always been fabulous, the fame was inevitable
21:21 nengard LOL
21:22 YIKES who let LordVoldemort in???
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21:23 LordVoldemort I let myself in thanks
21:23 DarthVader :)
21:23 nengard HA
21:23 stormageddondarklordofall :)
21:24 HarryDresden :)
21:24 stormageddondarklordofall *snicker*
21:24 LordVoldemort I don't even know who Harry Dresden is
21:24 are you a villain too?
21:24 HarryDresden OH NO!!!
21:24 Hell no - I'm a wizard who can woop you a**
21:24 :)
21:24 I'm a good guy
21:24 dumbledore keke
21:24 HarryDresden there is a meme asking harry dresden v. lord voldemort
21:25 http://www.factpile.com/wp-con[…]-vs-voldemort.png
21:25 DarthVader haha
21:25 * Dyrcona doesn't need to change his name. He is legendary.
21:25 HarryDresden LordVoldemort you might like the series
21:25 it's pretty awesome
21:26 * wizzyrea too, really
21:31 eythian hi
21:31 wahanui salut, eythian
21:32 nengard hola
21:34 jenkins_koha Starting build #603 for job Koha_Docs (previous build: SUCCESS)
21:34 Project Koha_Docs build #603: SUCCESS in 1 min 18 sec: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]ob/Koha_Docs/603/
21:34 Nicole C. Engard: add NotHighlightedWords
21:54 JesseM ok heading out for a bit
21:55 LordVoldemort wizzyrea is there anything more i can do for the website?
21:55 nengard anyone know what the point of  OPACFallback  is ?
21:56 wizzyrea LordVoldemort: let me look...
21:58 LordVoldemort: the release team link goes to the wrong place on this page: http://koha-community.org/abou[…]ect-organization/ it would be cool if you could make it point to the wiki, the link should be on the page you worked on yesterday
22:00 eythian nengard: it lets you fall back to another theme
22:00 I'm not sure when that'd be useful
22:01 LordVoldemort okay
22:01 wizzyrea It would be neat if you could add a link to the kohadevbox (https://github.com/digibib/kohadevbox) from the "for developers" page (http://koha-community.org/get-[…]/for-developers/)
22:01 pastebot "eythian" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "nengard: this might explain it, from the function that uses it." (3 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/368
22:02 nengard eythian i'm still not sure i get it - is it there cause we didn't make sure that every page works in bootstrap?
22:02 is it just a safety net
22:02 LordVoldemort internet is down :(
22:02 nengard and if so why is bootstrap an option along with prog?
22:02 wizzyrea aw sad.
22:02 eythian It's probably in case you make a custom theme for some purpose
22:03 wizzyrea so you can fall back on the default theme if *you* mess up your custom theme.
22:03 eythian so, you only need to put the changed files into your new theme, and anything missing will fall back to the existing bootstrap|prog
22:03 wizzyrea: no, so you don't have to supply all files
22:03 wizzyrea eythian is much more diplomatic.
22:03 :)
22:03 eythian like some of our stuff does with lang
22:03 if you mess up the custom theme, it'll still display messed up :)
22:04 wizzyrea I might consider it messing up to not include all files >.> but that's not being very diplomatic and maybe a bit rude.
22:05 eythian what happens if you only change one file?
22:05 jenkins_koha Starting build #604 for job Koha_Docs (previous build: SUCCESS)
22:05 Project Koha_Docs build #604: SUCCESS in 2 min 17 sec: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]ob/Koha_Docs/604/
22:05 Nicole C. Engard: add ExpireReservesOnHolidays
22:05 eythian you don't want to maintain copies of everything
22:05 wizzyrea (I'm not really arguing with you, you're right. )
22:05 eythian it'd mean we could use custom themes instead of custom translations.
22:06 I don't know if that'd be better or worse, tbh.
22:06 wizzyrea we all know how much I love custom translations
22:06 seems better, as it doesn't do all files.
22:07 though now that I've learned how to only translate certain files, I feel happier.
22:07 less annoyed, anyway.
22:07 I really want some frogurt.
22:08 eythian that's an idea I approve of.
22:08 wizzyrea \o/
22:08 eythian Bring me back some would you? ;)
22:09 wizzyrea I sense an afternoon foray in my future.
22:11 eythian https://github.com/ValveSoftwa[…]linux/issues/3671 <-- beware, this is horribad
22:12 dcook Too much scrollback, not enough sleep...
22:12 wizzyrea oh. my.
22:14 dcook Oh wow...
22:14 horribad indeed
22:15 I thought about trying to automate the path for a variable once...
22:15 (Oh, there are so many jokes that could be made... especially inr eference to Skyrim...)
22:16 pianohacker bethesda's high quality pathfinding?
22:17 wizzyrea something about "I symlinked my steam library and I took an arrow to the knee?"
22:17 dcook ^
22:17 Wish that I had longer to play that game
22:17 Bought an xbox a week before I moved to 'straya, played it for a week, and never saw it again
22:18 wizzyrea the xbox? or skyrim?
22:18 or both
22:18 eythian I rediscovered OpenTTD the other day, there went my evening.
22:18 wizzyrea oh dear.
22:18 dcook wizzyrea: both
22:19 Oh my...
22:19 * dcook pretends that he didn't see OpenTTD
22:19 pianohacker oh, heh. spent a lot of time in fallout new vegas picking off angry irradiated animals that really wanted to get to me. So badly, in fact, that they were going to run straight into a cliff for as long as it took
22:20 so I thought you had a problem with their ${PATH}finding :)
22:20 wizzyrea ^ this is a really excellent nerdy joke
22:20 pianohacker++
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22:28 LordVoldemort hi francesca
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22:33 rangi eythian++ #good reply
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22:38 dcook I think I have every nick possible out at this point :p
22:39 wizzyrea yeah totes.
22:39 eythian++
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23:02 pianohacker what IE versions do we support?
23:02 * dcook thinks this is the moment where someone points to dcook and says whatever he patches :p
23:02 pianohacker curious if we might be able to drop http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]_a_reference_list soonish
23:03 ha! probably :)
23:03 see http://stackoverflow.com/quest[…]ray-and-object-li
23:03 dcook Yeah, I'm familiar with that one :/
23:04 Of course when I'm creating hashes in Perl, I love leaving trailing commas
23:04 Actually, I think pretty much everything ever lets you use trailing commas with exploding
23:04 pianohacker except haskell and something else (Go or Java?)
23:04 dcook Well, Java hates everything :p
23:05 pianohacker true fact
23:05 dcook Although I think I'm mostly just bitter after debugging Java the other day. Oh the pain...
23:05 But yeah. Mmm, I imagine we support... I don't even know
23:05 I guess we don't officially?
23:05 I think Bootstrap 3 has support for IE8 at the lowest
23:06 Although we're still on Bootstrap 2 which supports IE7 at the least
23:06 Even Bootstrap 3 has some extra goodies you can use to support IE 7
23:06 pianohacker dcook: last I heard, official policy was "Firefox always, chrome hopefully, IE no" for the staff side and "everything possible" for the OPAC
23:06 dcook Which is what we do for DSpace 4.x
23:06 Interesting!
23:06 wahanui somebody said interesting was sometimes good and sometimes bad
23:06 dcook I can't say I've ever heard that, but I could see that certainly being the standard
23:07 pianohacker those who have been more actively involved in recent times are free to contradict me on that one :)
23:07 dcook We have a fair number of people using IE for the staff client, so that's where I spend a reasonable amount of time when upgrading versions
23:07 I suppose the thing will be... even if the community doesn't support IE, I'll certainly be writing fixes forever :p
23:08 Although I don't look forward to the day where we start using libraries that I can't hack minorly...
23:08 Well, maybe I do look forward to that day... so that people finally upgrade their IE
23:09 I need to take a note out of the pages of other technical support lines
23:09 I've been on hold for over 20 minutes, and I can't imagine I'm going to be talking to a human any time soon
23:10 pianohacker dcook: what IE versions?
23:10 dcook IE7 :(
23:10 * dcook points to the PM ;)
23:10 pianohacker heh, yes ;)
23:10 dcook It's sad making
23:10 "Your call is progressing"
23:10 Are you sure? Because the exact same music and friendly advice is starting to get to me.
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23:11 cait hi #koha
23:11 dcook hey cait :)
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23:17 pianohacker I may be the slowest person on the internet but I'm laughing really hard at this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RmU-Bmk4Wrk
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23:22 * Francesca waves
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23:24 wizzyrea using a version of IE less than 9 is a menace to society, and those computers running it should be forcibly upgraded to firefox.
23:24 dac ^
23:24 Francesca hi everyone!
23:24 dac yo Francesca
23:24 wizzyrea hi Francesca :)
23:24 dac wizzyrea: unfortunately, the authorities are the ones often running IE less than 9 :p
23:24 wizzyrea time for civil disobedience?
23:24 dac hehe
23:24 wizzyrea :)
23:25 dac Right now I would settle for reliable internet...
23:25 wizzyrea yeah truf.
23:25 * cait waves
23:25 pianohacker hi cait
23:25 dac hey cait
23:26 cait wizzyrea: those cupcakes look great
23:26 dcook Did someone say cupcakes?
23:26 wizzyrea wat there are cupcakes?
23:26 I'm in.
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23:27 wizzyrea where are you seeing the cupcakes?
23:27 * dcook wonders if this tech support line will ever actually pick up
23:27 dcook I think that's the key to 24/7 support services
23:27 Just never answer your phone
23:27 Have it available and never answer it
23:27 Bam. 24/7 support.
23:27 * dcook grumbles
23:28 wizzyrea oh THOSE cupcakes!
23:28 yes, they do look delish.
23:29 cait heh
23:32 :)
23:32 late answer: twitter :)
23:33 dcook huzzah! finally a pickup
23:34 pianohacker bye all :)
23:34 dcook ta pianohacker
23:35 Of course I'm on hold again, but now the music is way better
23:36 wizzyrea cait - have you seen a behaviour, ever, where receiving a serial creates multiple entries in acquisitions?
23:37 cait ugh?
23:37 can you give information to what kind of thing it did?
23:38 there used to be a link between acq andserial when you rnewed it
23:38 but i think we have broken that a longer time ago
23:38 i don't see how it would be possible, unless some old cold about hte renewal got ...
23:38 cold=code
23:39 wizzyrea this is an old, old koha
23:39 I think it has something to do with legacy data but I'm not sure what
23:39 it's so annoying.
23:40 cait not sure
23:40 nd the rnewal went only into suggestions...
23:40 back then
23:40 well i have never seen it :(
23:40 wizzyrea that's ok
23:41 just thought I'd ask.
23:46 cait big thank you to the academy students, awesome job this week!
23:46 good night all
23:47 jenkins_koha Starting build #34 for job Koha_3.18.x_U14 (previous build: FAILURE -- last SUCCESS #32 1 day 0 hr ago)
23:48 eythian http://i.imgur.com/z4qkBNd.gifv
23:50 wizzyrea that is terrifying and adorable all at once.
23:50 dcook hehe
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