IRC log for #koha, 2015-01-14

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00:57 wizzyrea_ HIgh, it would be awesome if we could get some signoffs or comments on the bugs on the academy list
00:57 http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]n=run&sharer_id=1
00:57 pleeeease and thank youuuuu
00:57 (please be gentle)
00:57 or dont', according to your whim.
01:14 rochelle eythian, can we copy the etc one straight into the debian/templates?
01:15 eythian I'm pretty sure it'll need some modification to account for the variables (like __KOHASITE__) and different paths in the debian/templates version.
01:15 so you probably can't just drop it in
01:16 rochelle :(
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01:24 wizzyrea_ has anyone noticed on current master, that xslt is super duper broken?
01:24 in the intranet *at least*
01:27 so weird, some of them have a problem and some of them dont.
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01:37 oleonard Hi again #koha
01:38 wizzyrea_ hi oleonard
01:39 how's ohio?
01:40 oleonard Cold and recently snowy
01:41 Two snow/cold days so far in 2015 for the kids
01:42 I don't recall them ever closing school because of cold in Kansas, but they do here
01:48 jcamins oleonard: isn't it kind of late for you?
01:48 oleonard Yeah, putting in a little extra time
02:08 wizzyrea_ jcamins about?
02:08 jcamins Eh, maybe?
02:08 wizzyrea_ heh
02:08 :)
02:09 question about the browser.js - was that yours?
02:09 jcamins Staff client or OPAC?
02:09 wizzyrea_ staff
02:09 jcamins Probably, then.
02:10 wizzyrea_ vinnie is looking at a problem that seems to be tied to it
02:10 jcamins Oh?
02:10 What's the problem?
02:10 wahanui the problem is it's human beings doing it. Rebuild your indexes.
02:10 wizzyrea_ where the opac view -> open in new window doesn't open the link when the result browser is active
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02:11 jcamins Oh, interesting.
02:11 wahanui rumour has it interesting is sometimes good and sometimes bad
02:11 wizzyrea_ there she is :)
02:11 vinny, meet jcamins, author of the result browser :)
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02:11 wizzyrea_ hi alvet :)
02:12 something to do with the url being rewritten I think?
02:12 jcamins Probably.
02:13 wizzyrea_ hehe
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02:20 alvet hi wizzyrea :)
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03:42 irma wizzyrea_: hi Liz :-0
03:43 wizzyrea_ hi irma :)
03:43 irma wizzyrea_ How has 2015 been so far for you?
03:44 wizzyrea_ Hope all is well ...
03:45 wizzyrea_ We wonder if you could add to the koha wiki a page "Roadmap for Koha" ... Bob promised to have some info added last IRC meeting
03:46 wizzyrea_ I don't have the permission level to add a new page
03:47 http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]i/Roadmap_to_3.12
03:47 wizzyrea_ er... really?
03:48 not even with a [[Roadmap to 3.20]] type link?
03:48 irma I am checking again ... 1 second pls
03:49 wizzyrea_ it should make a red link, then you click on it and click "edit"
03:49 or somesuch
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03:50 eythian everyone who is logged in should be able to make pages
03:50 unless it's that validated email address thing
03:50 irma hi eythian :-)
03:51 eythian howdy irma
03:51 wizzyrea_ what he said
03:51 irma on the phone now ..
03:51 biab
04:03 Got it ... http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]/Roadmap_for_Koha <> Thanks wizzyrea_ and eythian
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06:02 wizzyrea_ did irma get her thing figured out?
06:04 mtj hi wizzyrea_, yeah i think so ^
06:04 wizzyrea_ sweet as
06:11 BobB I'm starting to add some content now  :)
06:15 wizzyrea_ \o/
07:26 magnuse Irma++ BobB++
07:26 * magnuse waves
07:27 magnuse ooh, meeting in 2,5 hours?
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07:51 reiveune hello
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07:57 alex_a hello
07:57 wahanui what's up, alex_a
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08:04 fridolin hie community
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08:10 magnuse hiya laurence reiveune alex_a fridolin cait
08:10 reiveune \o_
08:10 laurence hi magnuse
08:10 alex_a hello magnuse
08:10 cait hi all :)
08:10 alex_a and cait :)
08:10 fridolin salut magnuse
08:10 not too cold weather ?
08:12 magnuse @wunder boo
08:12 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 0.0°C (8:50 AM CET on January 14, 2015). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 69%. Dew Point: -5.0°C. Windchill: -7.0°C. Pressure: 28.80 in 975 hPa (Steady).
08:12 magnuse it rose by 10 degrees during the day yesterday :-)
08:12 @wunder marseille
08:12 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Saint Victoret, France is 8.9°C (9:12 AM CET on January 14, 2015). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 89%. Dew Point: 7.0°C. Windchill: 9.0°C. Pressure: 30.21 in 1023 hPa (Steady).
08:12 magnuse summery!
08:13 @wunder konstanz
08:13 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is 8.0°C (9:00 AM CET on January 14, 2015). Conditions: Light Rain Showers. Humidity: 70%. Dew Point: 4.0°C. Pressure: 30.05 in 1017 hPa (Rising).
08:13 magnuse @wunder vila de sal rey
08:13 huginn magnuse: Error: No such location could be found.
08:13 magnuse @wunder vila de sal rey, cabo verde
08:13 huginn magnuse: Error: No such location could be found.
08:13 magnuse pft
08:20 ashimema @wunder stevenage, uk
08:20 huginn ashimema: The current temperature in Pin Green, Stevenage, United Kingdom is 1.1°C (8:10 AM GMT on January 14, 2015). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 83%. Dew Point: -1.0°C. Windchill: -1.0°C. Pressure: 29.59 in 1002 hPa (Steady).
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08:29 gaetan_B hello
08:29 wahanui hi, gaetan_B
08:41 Joubu info: bug 11944 breaks the installer, follow-up coming soon
08:41 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=11944 major, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , Cleanup Koha UTF-8
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09:00 magnuse Joubu++
09:00 @karma
09:00 huginn magnuse: Highest karma: "cait" (185), "gmcharlt" (153), and "tcohen" (138).  Lowest karma: "^" (-10), "-" (-10), and "ie" (-10).  You (magnuse) are ranked 11 out of 342.
09:00 magnuse who can reset that for the new year?
09:03 Joubu @karma
09:03 huginn Joubu: Highest karma: "cait" (185), "gmcharlt" (153), and "tcohen" (138).  Lowest karma: "^" (-10), "-" (-10), and "ie" (-10).  You (Joubu) are ranked 6 out of 342.
09:04 Joubu whaou
09:04 ie--
09:04 @karma
09:04 huginn Joubu: Highest karma: "cait" (185), "gmcharlt" (153), and "tcohen" (138).  Lowest karma: "ie" (-11), "^" (-10), and "-" (-10).  You (Joubu) are ranked 6 out of 342.
09:04 magnuse hehe
09:04 Joubu better :)
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09:13 cait hm i think there should be an IRC meeting about now
09:13 my meeting got cancelled, will be back in 5 mins if we want to have one
09:16 ashimema ooh.. meeting
09:16 Joubu * AGREED: The next meeting will be held on 14 January 2015 at 10 UTC
09:18 cait hm is that now or later?
09:20 aah it's at "11" - 40 minutes
09:25 ashimema done
09:26 sent a reminder to the list.. bit late but hopefulyl some may see it
09:26 magnuse ashimema++
09:27 cait ashimema++ thx!
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09:34 thd ashimema: Could we discuss your ideas for the wiki?
09:51 ashimema hi thd
09:51 did you just call?
09:51 i was in a call and a colleague picked up.
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09:52 thd Yes ashimema
09:52 wahanui well, ashimema is on qa now .)
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09:53 ashimema i'll be about for another 20 mins or so.. then I have another call so will be trying to dip in and out of the two meetings :(
09:53 thd ashimema: I suggest that we try to reach a consensus or at least a common understanding about  the wiki.
09:53 jransom hi everyone: jo ransom, horowhenua (nz)
09:54 thd ashimema Is there some time we could talk on telephone?
09:54 ashimema Hi jo.. meeting hasn't quite started yet.. but when it does  stick an #info infront of that ;)
09:54 jransom cheers
09:54 ashimema sure thd.. erm.. remind me. where are you based?
09:55 thd ashimema: I am based in New York City but would be happy to call you wherever.
09:55 ashimema I can skype out to you to keep the costs down.. as I said I'm a little tied this morning (UK time)
09:56 hmm.. your lateish afternoon over there right now right..
09:56 thd ashimema: I saw your criticisms while I was in California but I did not have any opportunity until now to try to communicate with you properly.
09:56 It is 5 am in NYC.
09:56 ashimema they were meant to be constructive btw.. hope they're werent too nasty sounding..
09:56 oh.. 5am.. i was thinking it was 5pm..
09:57 thd Nothing was nasty and you have some good ideas
09:57 ashimema early riser then ;)
09:58 thd I have the time to implement any good ideas or at least I expect to start to have proper time from mid-February.
09:58 ashimema cool..
09:58 thd ashimema: I think you are also a little confused about the function of some installed extensions.
09:58 wahanui okay, thd.
09:59 thd ashimema: When would be a good time to talk on telephone?
09:59 cait ok, it's about meeting time now but i might get called awy...
09:59 who is around for the meeting and would maybe be willing to take over chair/chair?
09:59 ashimema I should be free for a chat between 7am and 11am your time today if that helps
09:59 i was just working that out ;)
09:59 i'm getting called away any minute too cait :(
10:00 thd ashimema: I suggest we defer decisions about wiki management until the next general meeting while we discuss options.
10:00 BobB hi all
10:00 ashimema I'm fine with that.. makes reasonable sense..
10:01 cait ok, i wil start it and we see what happens?
10:01 ashimema especially as neither of us has too much time at the minute to start implementing anything we discuss/decide upon.. delaying a decision won't delay the action.. yet
10:01 thd ashimema: What number should I call at 7 am EST?
10:01 cait #startmeeting General IRC Meeting, 14th January 2015
10:01 huginn Meeting started Wed Jan 14 10:01:23 2015 UTC.  The chair is cait. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
10:01 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.
10:01 Topic for #koha is now  (Meeting topic: General IRC Meeting, 14th January 2015)
10:01 huginn The meeting name has been set to 'general_irc_meeting__14th_january_2015'
10:01 cait #topic Introductions
10:01 Topic for #koha is now Introductions (Meeting topic: General IRC Meeting, 14th January 2015)
10:01 wahanui #info wahanui, a bot that has become sentient
10:01 BobB ashimena there is only one meeting today: a decision of the last meeting'
10:01 cait please introduce yourself with #info
10:01 thd ashimema:  I am at +1 212-674-3783
10:01 BobB #info Bob Birchall, Calyx Australia
10:01 cait #link http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]g_14_January_2015
10:02 #info Katrin Fischer, BSZ, Germany
10:02 Joubu #info Jonathan Druart, BibLibre
10:02 jransom #info joann ransom, horowhenua, nz.
10:02 ashimema #info Martin Renvoize, PTFS Europe
10:02 paul_p #info Paul Poulain, BibLibre
10:02 ashimema cheers thd.. I'll call you :)
10:02 thd #info: Thomas Dukleth, Agogme, New York City
10:02 paul_p (hello all, and good morning, evening, afternoon, or night night)
10:03 BobB hi paul_p
10:03 cait ok, moving on :)
10:03 #topic Announcements
10:03 Topic for #koha is now Announcements (Meeting topic: General IRC Meeting, 14th January 2015)
10:03 cait paul_p: hackfest maybe? :)
10:04 paul_p cait what kind of announcement would you like ? ;-)
10:04 BobB #info Asian Cup:  Australia 4 Oman 0
10:04 cait heh
10:04 that there is one .)
10:04 but i will take anything
10:05 paul_p as already announced on koha-devel : Hackfest in Marseille will take place in March, 2nd-6th. It will take place in 2 locations (20mn distant), so we should have a lot of space
10:05 bag told me that he expect to have ElasticSearch search working & ready to be tested for the hackfest
10:05 cait #info The hackfest in Marseille is from Marc 2nd - 6th and will take place in 2 locations (20 mins apart)
10:05 ashimema I'm just booking hotels and flights paul_p.. just bending colinc's arm, alex will be there for the whole period and I hope to join for at least half (with baby on the way that's a bit up in the air ;) )
10:05 paul_p there are already many registrations, and that will be a great time :D
10:05 BobB sadly not us
10:05 paul_p ashimema ++++ !
10:06 cait paul_p: google doc? ;)
10:06 ashimema will register properly once I know exact details of our lot this end
10:06 paul_p cait should come soon
10:06 cait hotel is booked for me,still waiting for the train tickets - were not available last time i tried :)
10:06 ok, something else?
10:06 paul_p I don't think so.
10:06 cait #topic Updates on Releases
10:06 Topic for #koha is now Updates on Releases (Meeting topic: General IRC Meeting, 14th January 2015)
10:07 cait I think we are a bit short on RM and RMaints this meeting
10:07 but it looks like all is quite well on track I think
10:07 BobB mtj about?
10:07 mtj hi all
10:07 BobB #info I know Mason is on track to release 3.16.7 on 22 Jan
10:08 cait #info UTF-8 patches got pushed to master yesterday - keep an eye out for any encoding problems
10:08 mtj ..sorry, didnt realise a meeting was on
10:08 BobB ah sorry mtj
10:08 * fridolin i'm here
10:08 cait updates on the releases? :)
10:08 * mtj reads the scrollback
10:08 Joubu cait: installer is broken, patch sent this morning
10:09 cait ah ok
10:09 fridolin i m adding only a few patches on 3.14.x to keep a stable version
10:09 cait do you have the bug number for testing?
10:09 paul_p I'd like to see HEA backported to previous versions. And maybe activated by default (because, for now, there's "no-one" that has activated it : only 53, most of them -if not all- come from BibLibre)
10:09 fridolin since there is 3.16;x and 3.18.x
10:09 cait paul_p: i think activating by default is highly critical
10:10 Joubu cait: bug 13577 fixes the installer problem
10:10 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=13577 blocker, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , The correct COLLATE set to all DB tables
10:10 Joubu blocker, NSO
10:10 paul_p cait what do you mean by "highly critical" ?
10:10 cait #info please test bug 13577 to fix a problem with the installer
10:10 we shoud not have a koha that calls out to another website by default
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10:11 cait i know we don't transmit personal information, but it shoudl still be opt-in
10:11 mveron #info Marc Véron, marc veron ag / Koha Support Schweiz
10:11 ashimema ooh.. thanks for the reminder paul..
10:11 I've been meaning to activate our 3.18's
10:11 paul_p ashimema ;-)
10:11 cait maybe we could put it in the newsletter?
10:11 mtj #info i'll be pushing some commits to the 3.16 branch over the next few days
10:11 Joubu paul_p: Maybe a mail on the koha ml + the news letter could be useful
10:11 cait today was the call
10:11 paul_p cait + Joubu ++ !
10:11 Joubu I let you drop an email about that, OK ?
10:12 Joubu paul_p: k
10:12 cait ready to move on to the next topic?
10:12 #action Joubu will send info about HEA to the mailing list and the newsletter
10:12 paul_p: also a thing to keep in mind - many people might not have updated to 3.18 yet
10:12 BobB cait, joubu ++
10:13 cait will take us some more time too
10:13 #topic KohaCon15
10:13 Topic for #koha is now KohaCon15 (Meeting topic: General IRC Meeting, 14th January 2015)
10:13 paul_p cait yes, of course. And that's why that would be good to have it backported !
10:13 mtj paul_p:  i'd be keen to backport HEA to 3.16
10:13 paul_p and we've already done it for 3.14
10:13 (as most of our customers are using it)
10:13 mtj awesome ^
10:14 paul_p let's submit the patch then ;-) ( Joubu  / fridolin = can you take care of that pls )
10:14 cait mtj: want an #action? :)
10:14 BobB #action mtj to backport HEA to 3.16
10:14 mtj yes please :0)
10:14 cait #action Joubu or fridolin to submit HEA patches for 3.16
10:14 Joubu will have a look, yes
10:14 cait #action mtj to backport HEA into 3.16
10:15 I'd also like to see a statement on the hea page about what is /can be stored
10:15 fridolin ok, whe have a 3.14 version indeed
10:15 squashed patches
10:15 Joubu cait: aleisha is working on Hea
10:15 cait Joubu: cool
10:16 ok, nothing for kohacon i think?
10:16 I will move on?
10:16 #topic Actions from the last meeting
10:16 Topic for #koha is now Actions from the last meeting (Meeting topic: General IRC Meeting, 14th January 2015)
10:16 cait we got the roadmap on the agenda
10:17 BobB: I saw you did some work on it?
10:17 BobB #link:      http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]/Roadmap_for_Koha
10:17 So that is the proposal I guesss:  needs feedback ...
10:17 and if it is ok, folks can start to populate it
10:18 cait i like the text - read it before the meeting
10:18 BobB++
10:18 paul_p sorry, about the KohaCon, i've something to say !
10:18 (was AFK due to another call...)
10:18 BobB go ahead paul_p
10:18 cait let's talk about the raodmap first and come back to the con?
10:19 paul_p fine !
10:19 BobB ah, sorry , what cait said
10:19 paul_p (as I just receive an email about the kohacon15 NOW !)
10:19 reading it...
10:19 cait BobB: shoudl we put the wiki page on the mailing list?
10:19 asking people to add?
10:20 BobB yep, ok, will i do that?
10:20 ashimema added 5 libraries to HEA for you paul_p ;)
10:20 will get collegues to keep going through the list
10:20 cait BobB: it would be nice if you could
10:21 BobB #action BobB to email the list to ask for contributions to the Road Map
10:21 cait #action BobB will send an email about the Roadmap wiki page to the mailing list
10:21 ah
10:21 heh
10:21 BobB Is everyone here ok with the idea / text?
10:22 cait i am :)
10:22 +1
10:22 mveron +1
10:22 ashimema +1
10:22 BobB ok, cool
10:23 thd +1
10:23 cait :)
10:23 #topic KohaCon14 (cont.)
10:23 Topic for #koha is now KohaCon14 (cont.) (Meeting topic: General IRC Meeting, 14th January 2015)
10:23 cait paul_p: nwo :)
10:23 now even
10:23 paul_p chris & I have some emails with ppl from Ibadan. The organisation is moving on. The proposed location cost quite a lot of money (international & diplomatic location). So we're wondering whether that's the best option. Other locations (like in a university) would be much cheaper, but ppl could fear about security.
10:23 so, still to be decided, but things are moving ;-)
10:24 cait #info things are moving, location still to be decided
10:24 thd cait: Should that not be KohaCon15?
10:24 cait yes... it should be
10:24 paul_p hehe...
10:24 cait don't tell me doesn't happen to all of you currently :)
10:24 #info topic should be 15 ... not 14.
10:25 anything else?
10:25 thd paul_p: What is indicated that fear for security would be warranted at a university location?
10:25 paul_p what is you opinion about the location : a very safe one, in diplomatic area, with all safety, but cost 150USD/day all included
10:25 cait paul_p: for the participant?
10:25 paul_p or the university, where security would be more "standard" (the ibadan area being not in the unsafe part of nigeria)
10:26 cait thd: if you read up a bit about nigeria there are some warnings
10:26 paul_p cait = yep, 150USD for room, lunch, dinner,...
10:26 + 1800USD/day for the conference room, that will have to be sponsored by someone
10:26 cait i see
10:26 paul_p cait = yep, 150USD for bedroom, lunch, dinner,...
10:26 thd cait: Yes, I know the general reports.
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10:27 cait paul_p: not sure - it's quite a bit of money, bit worried about the local participation
10:27 paul_p anyone an opinion that I could feedback to the team ?
10:27 yep, that's also my 1st reaction : local or non nigerian but african participation.
10:28 jransom nigeria was on the 'no travel' list ladt time I looked on nz foreign affairs page so insurance is going to be imposdible. the secure place would be my preference but price is so high.
10:28 cait i thnk it's hard to tell from here - the organizers will know best about the local situation
10:28 paul_p 150USD/day is fine for me, that's what costed the KohaCon in Nevada or Argentina, roughly.
10:28 cait jransom: similar here
10:28 ashimema same here jransom
10:28 paul_p cait organizers say it's safe. but of course they're black & nigerian...
10:29 thd I would like to know more about the specific security concern at a nearby university as distinct from known problematic places in Nigeria.
10:29 paul_p here it's "orange", which is better than "red" (northern part or nigeria), but worst than green or yellow...
10:29 OK, I'll feedback that to organizers.
10:30 thd paul_p: Where is the colour coded map?
10:30 BobB the problem is that you know the security situation now: you don't know what it will be in Oct
10:30 paul_p thd http://www.diplomatie.gouv.fr/[…]ys/nigeria-12319/
10:30 BobB I would urge an abundance of caution
10:30 paul_p probably wise BobB ...
10:30 BobB There are Work Health and Safety issues for employers, just sayin'
10:31 jransom I agree.
10:31 paul_p thd click on "securité" tab
10:31 cait something we should add to the logs?
10:31 or minutes, it's all going into the logs of course
10:32 thd paul_p: Where is it green or yellow?
10:32 paul_p thd see argentina for example : http://www.diplomatie.gouv.fr/[…]/argentine-12200/
10:32 jransom I fear it will an either /or situation: affordable and high local participation vs exp and moderate number of foreigners
10:32 paul_p thd mostly green, some parts yellow
10:32 Joubu no green or yellow in nigeria :)
10:32 or :-/
10:32 paul_p Joubu right...
10:33 maybe I should ask you : let's suppose it's tomorrow. would you go if it were in the diplomatic area ? would you go if it were in the university ?
10:34 thd paul_p: You should ask what might be done to mitigate the security concern at a local university.
10:34 jransom if tomorrow I would go to diplomatic area but not university
10:34 cait paul_p: I think it's unlikely I will go this year - not giving a vote
10:35 paul_p cait = imagine you've the budget, the time and the agreement from you boss. It's just to poll ;-)
10:36 jransom I guess the organisers will have to the best judgement calls they can, put together the package and offer up to the community.
10:36 cait jransom++
10:36 Joubu What about Africans? Are they ready to come?
10:36 Africans from other countries I meant
10:36 paul_p Joubu don't know.
10:36 magnuse #info Magnus Enger, Libriotech
10:37 (sorry, was busy with other things)
10:37 thd Certainly, they ought to try to poll people who may be likely to come if they do not know how to decide otherwise.
10:38 paul_p OK, will report all that to organizers. Thanks for questions/advices/opinions
10:38 jransom if it was in ghana or kenya or south african, a university no problem, but nigeria has known security issues that have to be taken into consideration. is a different
10:38 cait ok
10:38 moving on?
10:39 #topic Set date and time for the next meeting
10:39 Topic for #koha is now Set date and time for the next meeting (Meeting topic: General IRC Meeting, 14th January 2015)
10:39 thd If relatively few people would come in any case and those people would have sufficient funding then the issue may be easier to decide.
10:39 cait i'd like to propose february 11th, 19 UTC
10:40 i feel like we used to have good attendance at 19 UTC in the past, but might be wrong
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10:40 cait and it would be 8horus from now, so shoudl get some of the people missing today
10:40 BobB worth a try
10:40 cait vetos? +1? :)
10:40 other suggestions?
10:41 i am bad with timezones, so hope my thinking is not wrong :)
10:41 thd Yes, I think we should take some measures to avoid worst times which have had almost no attendance.
10:41 oleonard +1 to not this time
10:41 cait 19UTC oleonard?
10:41 11th february?
10:41 Joubu cait: not 10 UTC for oleonard :)
10:42 thd oleonard: There are worst times than this hour for you :)
10:42 cait don't leave me alone now people - please vote :)
10:42 thd +1
10:42 oleonard 19UTC works fairly well for me
10:42 Joubu +0 # not a good time, too late for me
10:43 BobB ouch will be 6am here
10:43 but good in nz
10:43 cait hm moving it to 20utc better?
10:43 ah no
10:43 not for joubu
10:43 BobB 18 UTC is ok
10:43 cait 5am?
10:43 wahanui 5am is probably early for me, with luck i'd have insomnia ;)
10:43 Joubu cait: the idea was to alternate, so it's good
10:43 BobB sorry I meant 19
10:43 thd BobB would adjusting the time to 21 UTC work better?
10:44 cait shoudl we try 19 and see how it works out?
10:44 BobB there is no time that is good for everyone in the world
10:44 cait i think ideal is not achievable sadly
10:45 #info Next meeting is scheduled for 11th February, 19 UTC
10:45 BobB all good
10:45 thd BobB: Yes, we cannot  make it good for everyone but we can make it least bad for many.
10:45 cait we can still discuss on ml if it causes bigger problems
10:45 #endmeeting
10:45 Topic for #koha is now Koha 3.18.0 is released! Welcome to the IRC home of Koha http://koha-community.org | Code of conduct - http://koha-community.org/abou[…]/code-of-conduct/ | The next Koha General IRC meeting is 14 January 2015 at 10 UTC | Please use http://paste.koha-community.org for pastes | Installation guide for Koha is http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Debian
10:45 huginn Meeting ended Wed Jan 14 10:45:29 2015 UTC.  Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4)
10:45 Minutes:        http://meetings.koha-community[…]-01-14-10.01.html
10:45 Minutes (text): http://meetings.koha-community[…]5-01-14-10.01.txt
10:45 Log:            http://meetings.koha-community[…]14-10.01.log.html
10:45 cait thx for attending everyone
10:45 Joubu cait: yep :)
10:45 BobB thank you cait
10:46 We did not discuss the matter of the Wiki Curator and Communications manager
10:46 Discussion on those topics is ongoing
10:46 I will list them for next meeting
10:47 jransom and the funded position / fundraising / donatons.
10:47 BobB yes jo, also ongoing
10:47 Topic for #koha is now Koha 3.18.0 is released! Welcome to the IRC home of Koha http://koha-community.org | Code of conduct - http://koha-community.org/abou[…]/code-of-conduct/ | The next Koha General IRC meeting is 11 February 2015 at 19 UTC | Please use http://paste.koha-community.org for pastes | Installation guide for Koha is http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Debian
10:47 BobB I think bag will be sure to list it for next time
10:48 jransom cool. I have an agenda to put tigether next week for trustees otherwise next month.
10:48 BobB jransom, bag and I are working on a paper for you this week
10:49 Joubu BobB, jransom: there are not in the agenda: http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]g_14_January_2015
10:49 BobB by what day do you need it?
10:49 thd BobB: ashimema and I are going to discuss ideas about wiki management.
10:49 Joubu s/there/they
10:49 jransom I know paul and brendan are eagef to get this cracking aling.
10:49 BobB joubu that is correct, I'm saying we'll add them for next meeting
10:50 thx
10:50 cait i was not sure who would be around, so i kept the agenda open
10:50 jransom if we want it to got jis month I neeed
10:50 scrap that ...
10:50 thd BobB: He had raised some criticisms but I could not communicate with him properly while I was away in California.
10:50 BobB yep, all good
10:51 best we get these things right, rather than rush them
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10:51 jransom I need to have anything by next thursday if we want it on this month's agenda
10:51 thd BobB: Communications manager needs a better definition or understanding of the intended role.
10:52 BobB ok jransom, that is enough time for us
10:52 will get it to you by mid-week
10:52 * magnuse waves to jransom
10:52 * BobB waves to magnuse
10:52 thd BobB: It may be difficult to attract volunteers for a role for which the responsibilities are unclear.
10:53 BobB agreed, yes
10:54 thd BobB: The issue of ambiguity about what the Communications Manager would do was raised if I remember correctly again at the first meeting last time.
10:55 * magnuse waves to BobB
10:55 BobB feel free to email me (or the list) with any thoughts thd
10:55 thd BobB: What did the Maouri word which I do not remember but thought of as something like Communications Manager do that is different from your conception of communications manger?
10:57 BobB heaven knows, the only Maori I know is on the Koha wiki
10:57 magnuse kaitiaki?
10:58 nah, maybe not
10:58 thd magnuse: yes
10:58 BobB anyway, its bed time for me folks
10:58 good night all
10:58 thd BobB: Do you remember when Koha had a kaitiaki?
10:58 Good night BobB.
10:59 BobB yes I do, nice concept, but don't get me started on governance at this hour, we'll both regret it  :)
10:59 night folks
10:59 ashimema back
10:59 thd jransom: Were you once the kaitiaki?
11:02 ashimema: You may have missed the discussion of no yellow or green bits on the security map for Nigeria.
11:02 magnuse hm, it looks like kaitiaki = guardian, so that might be more apt for jransom and hlt than for a "Communications Manager"?
11:02 * magnuse needs lunch
11:03 thd magnuse: I had thought that one of the functions had at one time been to publicise Koha when it was less well known.
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11:35 gaetan_B i have a question on futureholds and the ConfirmFutureHolds syspref (bug 9761)
11:35 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9761 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, m.de.rooy, CLOSED FIXED, Make it possible to confirm future hold requests at checkin time
11:35 gaetan_B i think i got it but not sure
11:36 does this mean that, if the value in this syspref is 3
11:36 and i place a hold with a date in the future (20th of january for instance)
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11:36 gaetan_B if the book is checked in on the 18th, the librarian will get an alert and will be able to confirm the hold and set the book aside for me
11:37 if the book is checked in on the 16th there will be no message and the book will be back on the shelves for normal circulation ?
11:37 extra question if i got this right : what about checking the book in on the 17th?
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12:32 Joubu bug 13577 needs QA :)
12:32 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=13577 blocker, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Signed Off , The correct COLLATE set to all DB tables
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12:40 oleonard Hi again #koha
12:42 magnuse kia ora oleonard
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12:51 cait hi again oleonard ;)
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12:52 magnuse hiya meliss and NateC
12:52 meliss hi magnuse
12:55 cait mveron: rotating collections doesn't seem to appearin the help files - so we shoudl be done with your patch :)
12:55 mveron++
12:56 mveron hi cait  :-)
12:58 cait mveron: can we rename other things too? medientyp to exemplartyp? :)
13:04 tcohen hi koha
13:08 mveron cait:What would be the new names for Medientyp and Exemplartyp?
13:09 cait Exemplartyp instead of Medientyp
13:09 because people always thing it has to do witht he materialtype shown in the record
13:09 hi tcohen
13:11 mveron cait: Ach so... I will ask librarians here. Maybe we could ask others on German list?
13:19 cait mveron: last time i got only one answer and lost :) but more people around now
13:20 maybe worth trying again
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13:28 tw hello , everybody ! I want to know koha & elasticsearch (current state)
13:28 cait tw: it's still in development
13:28 that's what my impression is
13:29 you can find a bug on bugzlla that links to a branch with some/all? the work i think
13:29 tw thanks,  cait
13:30 ashimema_ what she said
13:32 tw and then, i want to ask  plack for koha (it's also  in development)
13:32 right!
13:33 ashimema_ plack is closer I think..
13:33 but turning it on is still not the most straight forward or documented thing
13:34 tw koha have turn to mvc framework
13:34 some new ides
13:34 some new idea!
13:35 like ruby on rails, php on laravel and some on....
13:35 oleonard No. We are not going to re-write Koha in another language.
13:35 ashimema_ if you have an infinite amount of money and time to do such a migration.. go for it ;)
13:35 lol
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14:05 Joubu ashimema(', ashimema_?): Did you see my private msg?
14:06 ashimema_ sorry Joubu.. not seen it yet..
14:07 on the wrong computer at the minute whilst on the phone
14:07 Joubu ashimema: k :)
14:07 ashimema_ will try to finish this phone call soon
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15:12 nengard oleonard around?
15:12 oleonard Yes
15:13 nengard got a sec to help me with a jquery headache? :)
15:13 oleonard Sure
15:13 nengard woo hoo
15:13 one sec i'll paste
15:14 pastebot "nengard" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "jquery for oleonard" (5 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/363
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15:47 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 12792: C4::Reserves breaks my vim syntax color <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]9704846b126b0c214> / Bug 13408: Tell librarians they may continue scanning while checkouts table is loading <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]0fbc0fe14368e6985> / Bug 13566 - Change translation for 'Rotating collection' in German web
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16:07 reiveune bye
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16:46 gaetan_B bye
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17:30 DigitalZen hello
17:31 oleonard Hi DigitalZen
17:32 DigitalZen hi olenoard, I have a question about koha could you help me?
17:33 oleonard You can ask any question you like, and anyone who knows the answer can respond
17:33 DigitalZen awesome
17:33 wahanui That'll be $1 for the awesome jar, DigitalZen
17:36 mveron Bye #koha
17:38 DigitalZen I am trying to import a MARC file into Koha but the 952 tag is not being imported, how can i solve this issue? I am running Koha 3.18 on Debian
17:41 oleonard DigitalZen: How are you creating the MARC file?
17:43 DigitalZen I am exporting them from an Athena system then using MARCedit I changed the 852 tag into 952
17:43 oleonard DigitalZen: Perhaps you could paste the text of an example MARC record at http://paste.koha-community.org/ ?
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17:49 DigitalZen ok done
17:52 oleonard You'll have to share the link with us DigitalZen
17:53 DigitalZen http://paste.koha-community.or[…]bmit=Format+it%21
17:55 oleonard I notice it doesn't have $a (home library) or $b (holding library)
17:57 DigitalZen oh ok, I have another MARC file from the same place but I used a perl script to format it would you like that one too
17:59 pastebot "DigitalZen" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "This one I used a perl script to convert the fields" (26 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/365
17:59 oleonard DigitalZen: For what it's worth, when I import the record you pasted it imports with an item
18:02 DigitalZen when you imported it did it have a barcode?
18:03 oleonard Yes
18:03 34014000074551
18:07 DigitalZen ok I think i see what my problem was, thanks for the help sorry I am new to asking for help on IRC :p have a good day
18:07 oleonard What was the problem DigitalZen?
18:12 DigitalZen I kept looking for the 952 tag in the MARC view on koha. The imports I did in the past was with a perl script that removed my barcodes so I tried doing it without it and I knew the Barcode was in 952p but when I didn't see the 952 tag in the marc view on koha and after searching on google alot i decided to ask for help in IRC.
18:16 oleonard DigitalZen: And now you see item information for your imported records?
18:17 DigitalZen oleonard: Yes I do
18:21 oleonard: I got to go Thanks again
18:21 jenkins_koha Starting build #590 for job Koha_Docs (previous build: SUCCESS)
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18:21 * Nicole C. Engard: update budget image
18:21 * Nicole C. Engard: split add budget section
18:21 * Nicole C. Engard: add second way to duplicate budget
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19:04 Nicole C. Engard: add new section for closing a budget by Denise Hannibal
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19:07 cait hi #koha
19:10 bag hi cait
19:10 cait hi bag
19:11 bag meeting?
19:11 wahanui meeting is probably not today... but tomorrow
19:11 bag meeting notes?
19:11 note?
19:11 wahanui it has been said that note is not visible in opac i think? but in staff?
19:11 bag notes?
19:11 wahanui notes is the key :D
19:11 oleonard wahanui: Forget all that stuff.
19:11 wahanui oleonard, I didn't have anything matching all that stuff
19:11 oleonard wahanui: forget meeting
19:11 wahanui oleonard: I forgot meeting
19:11 oleonard wahanui: forget notes
19:11 wahanui oleonard: I forgot notes
19:12 oleonard wahanui: forget note
19:12 wahanui oleonard: I forgot note
19:17 bag @later tell ashimema  congrats and good luck :)
19:17 huginn bag: The operation succeeded.
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20:05 Nicole C. Engard: update budgets section with links
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20:07 wizzyrea hi
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20:08 nengard hi
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20:57 cait academy_students++
21:18 wizzyrea oh cait
21:19 regarding "report a security bug could be bigger" - it's quite huge here: http://koha-community.org/security/
21:19 cait wizzyrea: it shows really small for me
21:19 wizzyrea on that page?
21:19 cait let#s see if my server has come back so i can show you
21:19 wizzyrea it's a giant blue link.
21:20 cait http://librarygeekgirl.de/pics/pic_fc731a.png
21:20 i disagree :)
21:20 wizzyrea yeah, that one's on every page
21:20 look up at the top of that page.
21:20 Report a security issue in Koha
21:20 cait ah
21:20 wizzyrea that is a link
21:20 cait that link
21:21 wizzyrea :)
21:21 cait I thik i just thought it was a heading
21:21 instead of the linkt to report
21:21 wizzyrea that's legitimate
21:21 cait could we make the link at the bottom look linky? (blue?)
21:25 * wizzyrea sics an academy student on the problem
21:26 cait :)
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21:38 wizzyrea 12352 illustrates the importance of a good bug report.
21:41 cait bug 12352
21:41 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=12352 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, ASSIGNED , Update patron records -page should have a link to patron details
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21:53 wizzyrea any other website-y things?
21:53 sections you'd like added?
21:53 removed?
21:54 cait wizzyrea: did you see my update on the bug?
21:55 wizzyrea yeah, really helpful
21:55 the original though, it could have been clearer.
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22:03 eythian hi
22:04 * dcook waves
22:06 wizzyrea cait: your bug reports are always awesome. :)
22:07 cait i wish :)
22:08 wizzyrea pft.
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22:26 cait night :)
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22:35 wizzyrea later cait :)
22:38 rangi bag: you about?
22:41 bag for a sec
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22:43 bag rangi:
22:44 ok I have a meeting I’m running too - catch you later rangi
22:44 rangi: if it’s something urgent - shot me an email - I can check that on the go
22:46 rangi righto
22:47 just wanted a test baker and taylor username to test a bug
22:52 anonymous can you check kohaacademy wizzyrea?
22:52 wizzyrea sure :) sorry was afk for a moment
22:55 anonymous no worries
23:29 barton hey #koha, I've just done a major overhaul on the 'Notices and Slips' page on the wiki. Please take a look. I'm soliciting comments (feel free to leave me a @later if I don't respond).
23:30 http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]Notices_and_Slips
23:32 dcook You know... if LoC cared so much about RDA, you think they'd add a "r" value to the Leader's 18 position... although I'm sure we all know LoC doesn't actually like RDA anyway..
23:32 barton Even better, if you have the ability to read perl code and some extra time and attention, follow the link at the end of the page and help me fill in some of the details.
23:33 dcook barton: I can't say I've had any of the problems you mention with Outlook :S
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23:33 dcook But I'm also on the newest version, I think..
23:34 barton Oh, actually that's the legacy part of the page ... atll the stuff that I added was in the 'Notice Markup' part of the page, and down.
23:35 dcook Mmm
23:35 Neato
23:35 barton It wouldn't surprise me if Microsoft has made their html handling much more robust since that page was written.
23:36 dcook If you don't mind me asking, is the wiki page intended for librarians or developers?
23:36 barton yes.
23:36 ;-)
23:36 dcook lol
23:36 :p
23:37 barton It's meant to be a resource for the entire Koha community.
23:38 I'd like to add a link to the messaging rewrite RFC: http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]aging_rewrite_RFC
23:38 ... unfortunately, that page is fairly out of date as well.
23:38 dcook I was just about to ask if anyone was working on that one :p
23:38 I agree about what you said about messaging being one of the most public parts of Koha though
23:39 It would be good to have all the public parts be the most robust and well documented..
23:41 barton Sing it, brother!
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23:44 barton I would like to see a) the formatting done via template toolkit (I'm not in *love* with template toolkit, but we need something that we don't re-write every time we add a new message type).
23:46 b) much more of the letters logic pulled into C4::Letter (or write Koha::Messages ...)
23:47 jenkins_koha Starting build #32 for job Koha_3.18.x_U14 (previous build: SUCCESS)
23:47 dcook Hmm, using template toolkit could probably be a bit risky
23:47 Totally agree with b) though
23:47 There's so much logic in individual scripts and it's rather inconsistent at times
23:47 Koha::Messages or something would be rad
23:48 barton c) use DBIC for the data to pull, and have the staff client only show the data avaliable for a given letter.
23:48 "rather inconsistent at times" <= understatement of the day.
23:50 dcook hehe
23:50 tcohen @later tell rangi if you want to backport the UTF-8 tests into 3.18.x, I can set jenkins so it runs them
23:50 huginn tcohen: The operation succeeded.
23:51 rangi hmm i dont think i will
23:51 big enough changes that i think ill leave it for master
23:52 barton Like I said, I'm not in love with template toolkit ... it's krufty and ugly, but does have the necessary power to display lists of data in a consistent fashion... plus, we use it for everything else.
23:52 what risks do you see, dcook?
23:52 XSS?
23:53 tcohen rangi: i'm talking about the tests only
23:53 bug 13264
23:53 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=13264 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, z.tajoli, Pushed to Master , Full stack encoding tests (UTF-8)
23:53 tcohen new files
23:53 rangi ah hmm might backport them
23:53 ill let you know
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23:55 rangi TT is for display logic, not functional logic, the only reason stuff gets crufty is when people start putting functional logic in your templates .. just because you can, doesnt mean you should
23:55 dcook ^
23:55 * dcook hearts TT a bit ;)
23:55 dcook barton: I was thinking a bit about http://www.template-toolkit.or[…]html#section_PERL, although it might be irrelevant if "EVAL_PERL" is disabled.
23:56 It probably isn't set although errors wouldn't be good either
23:56 While I like TT syntax, it might also be a bit intimidating for librarians
23:56 And possibly too powerful
23:57 Of course, I'm always locked in a struggle regarding how much power to give to staff client users...
23:59 abby++

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