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| 00:01 | dcook | eythian: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xp0vr1n25u4 |
| 00:01 | cait | hm also 6760 |
| 00:01 | bug 6760 | |
| 00:01 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6760 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, priyanka.nk, ASSIGNED , Generate new card number on renewals and duplicate card issuance |
| 00:03 | cait | never mind, i just added a note |
| 00:05 | * cait | stops now |
| 00:10 | cait | we still got 2159 open bugs... and enhancements in bugzilla |
| 00:11 | the bugs are down by 17 from last march... and the total up by a bit over 100... so more enhancements less bugs? :) | |
| 00:21 | aline joined #koha | |
| 00:21 | aline | Hi |
| 00:21 | and happy new year | |
| 00:22 | cait | happy new year |
| 00:22 | good night #koha | |
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| 00:39 | aline | I have a question about how install a local instance of koha |
| 00:40 | I use linux mint | |
| 00:41 | someone can help? | |
| 00:42 | anyone? well, i wonder if it's a mistake if I put in the conf file the local ip address | |
| 00:42 | 127.0.0.1 | |
| 00:44 | I don't know i f have to replace the apache conf file | |
| 00:44 | eythian | aline: how are you installing koha? |
| 00:46 | aline | i ve installed koha from debian packages |
| 00:47 | i don't if i use the right terminology | |
| 00:48 | eythian | yep. So what are you trying to do? |
| 00:49 | aline | I follow the step 3.0 : http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]Web_Install_Setup |
| 00:50 | but we don't have our own domain name right know and don't have a server | |
| 00:50 | that can be always connected | |
| 00:50 | so, we decide to have first a local instance | |
| 00:50 | using apache but locally | |
| 00:51 | eythian | ah OK |
| 00:51 | aline | so I have ton configure the conf file to address locally the instance of our not web opac but local opac |
| 00:52 | eythian | in that case, you probably want them each on a different port. |
| 00:52 | aline | that is to say.... |
| 00:53 | what each? | |
| 00:53 | I don't if we are going to have a web opac right know because we are kind of poor | |
| 00:54 | eythian | well, it's common to put the OPAC on port 80, and the staff client on port 8080, for example. |
| 00:54 | aline | can I configure with localhost 127 0 0 1 as domain name? |
| 00:54 | eythian | that way you can access them without needing DNS set up. |
| 00:55 | I probably wouldn't do that. | |
| 00:55 | aline | ok |
| 00:55 | eythian | if you set them up to just work on different ports, then you can just use the IP to access them directly. |
| 00:57 | aline | when you say them to what exactly do you refer (I'm not sure) |
| 00:57 | ? | |
| 00:58 | eythian | to access the OPAC and the staff client |
| 00:59 | aline | actually we just have one computer. |
| 01:00 | eythian | yes, that's fine. They both run from the same server. |
| 01:02 | aline | I'm sorry I don't understand |
| 01:03 | eythian | Koha has two interfaces: OPAC and staff client. Both of these are websites running from the same computer. If you don't have DNS, then usually you run the OPAC from port 80 and the staff client from port 8080 so that you can still access them by IP address. |
| 01:04 | aline | ok |
| 01:05 | so I ignore all the lines about DNS | |
| 01:05 | and follow these instructions : http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]A:_Named-based_vs._IP-based_installations | |
| 01:05 | ? | |
| 01:05 | eythian | yes |
| 01:07 | aline | ok |
| 01:08 | thank you. I'm going to modify and add the information into the conf file. it can be seemed trivial but... | |
| 01:08 | eythian | you may also have to do some extra configuration to apache to make it work, but it won't be too complicated. |
| 01:11 | aline | ok |
| 01:13 | I ve modified koha conf, just changed one of the ports by 8080 | |
| 01:14 | intraport 8080 | |
| 01:17 | I had problem messages when I have just installed mysql-server | |
| 01:17 | Des erreurs ont été rencontrées pendant l'exécution : libapache2-mpm-itk apache2-mpm-itk koha-common koha koha-deps | |
| 01:17 | why ? | |
| 01:17 | eythian | that's a known bug, easy to fix |
| 01:17 | aline | ok |
| 01:17 | eythian | I'll find the link |
| 01:18 | aline | do I have to do that first? |
| 01:18 | eythian | http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]untu_happens_here |
| 01:18 | also, you shouldn't install the koha package | |
| 01:18 | just koha-common | |
| 01:19 | the koha package shouldn't even be in the repository | |
| 01:20 | aline | oooh |
| 01:21 | I deleted it ok | |
| 01:21 | thank you | |
| 01:22 | eythian | you also don't need koha-deps, but it won't cause you any problems. |
| 01:22 | aline | ok but apach2 fails to restart |
| 01:22 | don't know why | |
| 01:23 | eythian | what does it say? |
| 01:23 | aline | fail |
| 01:23 | eythian | no error messages? |
| 01:24 | aline | no |
| 01:24 | diradira-desktop ~ $ service apache2 restart * Restarting web server apache2 [fail] |
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| 01:24 | diradira-desktop ~ $ sudo a2dismod mpm_event Module mpm_event already disabled |
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| 01:25 | eythian | have a look in the error logs in /var/log/apache2 |
| 01:25 | aline | is it the response I shoud receive? |
| 01:25 | eythian | also, did you do the 'apt-get install -f' bit? |
| 01:26 | aline | no not yet |
| 01:26 | should I? | |
| 01:26 | eythian | do that now, see if it helps |
| 01:27 | aline | ok |
| 01:28 | no error messages | |
| 01:28 | sudo apt-get install -f Lecture des listes de paquets... Fait Construction de l'arbre des dépendances Lecture des informations d'état... Fait 0 mis à jour, 0 nouvellement installés, 0 à enlever et 0 non mis à jour. | |
| 01:29 | eythian | hmm OK, then have a look in the log files, there should be a clue in there. |
| 01:31 | aline | ok |
| 01:34 | [Mon Jan 05 21:59:52.837053 2015] [mpm_event:notice] [pid 24917:tid 3074280064] AH00489: Apache/2.4.7 (Ubuntu) configured -- resuming normal operations [Mon Jan 05 21:59:52.837177 2015] [core:notice] [pid 24917:tid 3074280064] AH00094: Command line: '/usr/sbin/apache2' [Mon Jan 05 22:09:56.121046 2015] [mpm_event:notice] [pid 24917:tid 3074280064] AH00491: caught SIGTERM, shutting down [Tue Jan 06 18:32:04.296640 2015] [mpm_event:notice] [pid | |
| 01:35 | eythian | There might be other logs around there that contain something useful. |
| 01:35 | wait | |
| 01:35 | what command are you using to restart it? | |
| 01:36 | aline | the one explains |
| 01:36 | eythian | There was ten minutes between startup and shutdown there, that indicates that it worked fine, unless you're missing some log messages. |
| 01:36 | aline | service apache2 restarts |
| 01:36 | eythian | use paste.koha-community.org for pasting things, IRC isn't good for long messages. |
| 01:36 | aline | ok |
| 01:38 | pastebot | "aline" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "logs apache" (4 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/346 |
| 01:39 | eythian | that's just access logs, you're looking for someting that says why apache isn't restarting. |
| 01:41 | aline | the other file is empty |
| 01:41 | the other log file is empty | |
| 01:42 | eythian | but you pasted part of it just aboce |
| 01:42 | above | |
| 01:42 | aline | I pasted what appear in the terminal |
| 01:43 | eythian | <aline> [Mon Jan 05 21:59:52.837053 2015] [mpm_event:notice] ... |
| 01:43 | that looks like part of a log file | |
| 01:43 | pastebot | "aline" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "lines from terminal" (2 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/347 |
| 01:46 | "aline" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "apache 2 restart apparently ok" (2 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/348 | |
| 01:48 | aline | I ve put sudo su before and executed the command service apache2 restart again |
| 01:48 | eythian | if it's saying fail, it's probably not OK. |
| 01:48 | I wouldn't expect that to make any difference. | |
| 01:48 | it'll be logging the error in the error log file, I would expect. | |
| 01:49 | pastebot | "aline" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "apache 2 restart apparently ok" (4 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/349 |
| 01:49 | eythian | ah |
| 01:49 | yeah, that looks promising | |
| 01:49 | aline | yes sorry |
| 01:49 | for my mistake | |
| 01:50 | do I have go over the past instructions again? | |
| 01:50 | have to go | |
| 01:50 | or could I go for creating a koha instance? | |
| 01:51 | eythian | You can probably just create an instance now |
| 01:51 | aline | yes! :) |
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| 01:52 | aline | ooooh :( |
| 01:52 | failed to load external entity "/etc/koha/sites/bibliothequedira/koha-conf.xml" | |
| 01:53 | eythian | that is an unexpected error |
| 01:53 | though, your instance name is too long also | |
| 01:53 | I don't know if that's what is causing that though | |
| 01:54 | aline | ok |
| 01:54 | eythian | we really really need to put length checks in for that |
| 01:55 | aline | doesn't work with a shorter name |
| 01:55 | same answer | |
| 01:55 | eythian | at what point is it saying that? |
| 01:56 | and are there any other messages? | |
| 01:56 | aline | as a response to the command line |
| 01:56 | sudo koha-create ''dira'' | |
| 01:56 | eythian | oh |
| 01:56 | sudo koha-create --create-db dira | |
| 01:57 | aline | ah i thought it was a comment |
| 01:57 | I got confused with marks sometimes in the different codes | |
| 01:57 | eythian | I don't even know what it does if you don't put anything there. |
| 01:58 | apparently nothing sensible, anyway... | |
| 01:58 | aline | anyways |
| 01:58 | it failed to do it :) | |
| 01:59 | do i have to put dira between quotemarks? | |
| 01:59 | eythian | no |
| 01:59 | oh | |
| 02:00 | someone's changed that on the page and the quotes are showing up when they shouldn't be | |
| 02:01 | aline | weel doesn't work either |
| 02:01 | well | |
| 02:01 | eythian | same error? |
| 02:01 | pastebot | "aline" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "apache 2 restart apparently ok" (4 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/350 |
| 02:01 | "aline" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "apache 2 restart apparently ok" (3 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/351 | |
| 02:02 | eythian | what does that translate to? |
| 02:03 | aline | ah it says that it is impossible to create the directory into /var1log/koha/dira : no such file or folder |
| 02:03 | not into | |
| 02:03 | eythian | hmm. maybe /var/log/koha doesn't exist. That would explain it, but I don't know why it wouldn't exist. |
| 02:04 | aline | the directory dira into /var/log/koha |
| 02:04 | ahaha | |
| 02:04 | good question. | |
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| 02:04 | aline | you're right |
| 02:05 | no koha directory | |
| 02:05 | in var/log | |
| 02:05 | should I create one? | |
| 02:05 | eythian | yeah |
| 02:11 | pastebot | "aline" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "apres la creation dira2 response" (6 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/352 |
| 02:12 | eythian | that looks good |
| 02:12 | aline | isnt'it |
| 02:14 | well, so next step | |
| 02:14 | If I want access to the opac | |
| 02:15 | the web interface | |
| 02:15 | wahanui | the web interface is working right this moment? |
| 02:15 | eythian | then you should be able to access it via IP address |
| 02:15 | see what happens. | |
| 02:16 | aline | no |
| 02:17 | is the ip adress 127.0.0.1? | |
| 02:18 | eythian | yes |
| 02:18 | assuming you're doing it on a local computer | |
| 02:19 | aline | yes ad it links to apache |
| 02:19 | eythian | disable your default site |
| 02:20 | sudo a2dissite 000-default | |
| 02:20 | most likely | |
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| 02:25 | aline | apparently it works but ti is offline |
| 02:26 | it | |
| 02:26 | eythian | yeah, you need to go to the staff client and set it up |
| 02:27 | aline | ok |
| 02:30 | i m looking for the documentations | |
| 02:31 | where are the instruction to set up the staff client | |
| 02:31 | ? | |
| 02:31 | eythian | can you access the staff client? |
| 02:31 | aline | how ? |
| 02:31 | eythian | http://127.0.0.1:8080 |
| 02:32 | it's probable you need to add 'Listen 8080' to /etc/apache2/ports.conf and restart apache. | |
| 02:33 | aline | Do I have to follow the instructions from there : http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]QL_Security_Tweak |
| 02:35 | eythian | I don't know, I usually manually configure mysql. |
| 02:35 | it's probably a good idea | |
| 02:35 | aline | yeah! ''welcome to the koha web installer'' |
| 02:36 | eythian | there you go :) |
| 02:39 | aline | I'm in the ckoha conf xml file |
| 02:40 | koha-conf-site. xml | |
| 02:40 | to be precise | |
| 02:40 | and | |
| 02:40 | eythian | you want to look in /etc/koha/sites/whateveritis/koha-conf.xml |
| 02:40 | aline | ah |
| 02:41 | eythian | http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]the_web_interface |
| 02:41 | or use the commands there. | |
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| 02:47 | aline | thx |
| 02:50 | roh misere de misere I shouldn't have change the pasword | |
| 02:50 | because it says : Software error: Access denied for user 'koha_dira2'@'localhost' (using password: YES) at /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/Context.pm line 785. For help, please send mail to the webmaster ([no address given]), giving this error message and the time and date of the error. | |
| 02:51 | eythian | just change the password in koha-conf.xml so it matches |
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| 02:55 | dcook | Hmmm... anyone remember what "OpacMainUserBlockMobile" was for? |
| 02:55 | Ah CCSR I think | |
| 02:57 | eythian | I think so, yeah |
| 02:57 | dcook | Found Owen's bugs where he removes them :) |
| 02:57 | In 3.18 it seems | |
| 03:05 | aline | eythian: it doesn't work |
| 03:06 | eythian | in what way doesn't it work? |
| 03:06 | aline | I'm trying with the two commands again |
| 03:06 | It may works | |
| 03:07 | it may work. | |
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| 03:21 | aline | it doesn't |
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| 03:22 | aline | I've changed the âssword for the user in the file koha-conf.xml /etc/koha/sites/dira2 |
| 03:23 | eythian | oh |
| 03:23 | aline | but when I tried to log in with those it doesn't work |
| 03:24 | eythian | so, that password is there because it needs to be the same as the password to access the database. |
| 03:24 | So when you change it, it's no longer going to work for the database. | |
| 03:24 | aline | crap |
| 03:25 | I knew I shoudn't do it | |
| 03:25 | wel | |
| 03:25 | where is the file conf for the database | |
| 03:25 | is it in mysql? | |
| 03:26 | eythian | yeah |
| 03:26 | I don't know where mysql stores it | |
| 03:26 | aline | ok |
| 03:27 | eythian | you can tell mysql to change the password |
| 03:27 | aline | oh yeah? |
| 03:27 | how | |
| 03:27 | eythian | though, it can be tricky, and I'm never sure that I get it right |
| 03:27 | aline | oh |
| 03:27 | dcook | O_o |
| 03:27 | eythian | You're best to look that up, it's not something I do often at all. |
| 03:27 | aline | but may be, at this point |
| 03:28 | dcook | aline, what are you trying to do? |
| 03:29 | eythian | dcook: he's change the password in koha-conf from the one that the packages generated, and now it can't talk to the database. |
| 03:29 | dcook | Ahh |
| 03:29 | eythian | because the password is wrong |
| 03:29 | dcook | hate when that happens |
| 03:29 | Yeah, I'd log in to MySQL as root | |
| 03:30 | Then... "select Host,User from mysql.user where User = 'kohauser'" | |
| 03:30 | aline | nothing |
| 03:30 | dcook | I don't know what host(s) the packages use when creating a user |
| 03:30 | Localhost and '%' I think... | |
| 03:30 | aline | I understood you answered to dcook |
| 03:30 | dcook | aline: nothing? |
| 03:30 | wahanui | nothing is, like, a requirement, we have guidelines though |
| 03:31 | dcook | SET PASSWORD FOR 'kohauser'@'localhost' = PASSWORD('cleartext password'); |
| 03:31 | SET PASSWORD FOR 'kohauser'@'%' = PASSWORD('cleartext password'); | |
| 03:31 | done :) | |
| 03:31 | aline | yes |
| 03:31 | excuse me dcook | |
| 03:31 | wahanui | aline: According to Microsoft, it's by design |
| 03:32 | aline | I'm actually lost into the conversation |
| 03:32 | sorrym so dcook it seems you have a solution | |
| 03:33 | dcook | Sorry, I shouldn't have confused the conversation :) |
| 03:33 | aline | wahanui: I don't follow |
| 03:33 | wahanui | aline: sorry... |
| 03:33 | dcook | wahanui is just a bot ;) |
| 03:33 | aline | ach |
| 03:34 | ok | |
| 03:35 | so I have change the password for the accomodation of the enduser here in the koha-conf.xml file of my koha instance | |
| 03:35 | but as eythian said,this password doesn't work anymore | |
| 03:35 | eythian | you have to have the mysql password and the password in koha-conf.xml be the same thing. |
| 03:36 | dcook | ^ |
| 03:36 | aline | with the one used to access the database |
| 03:36 | yes I understand | |
| 03:36 | eythian | you need to change one of them to match the other |
| 03:36 | rangi | and then never change it again, because it is only used long enough for you to set up koha, and make a real user in koha |
| 03:36 | you should not use it to access koha once you have done that | |
| 03:38 | dcook | ^ |
| 03:38 | aline | yes I did a mistake. |
| 03:38 | dcook | And aline doesn't know the MySQL root password |
| 03:39 | rangi | ahh |
| 03:39 | dcook | I'm thinking maybe peak in /etc/mysql/koha-common.cnf |
| 03:39 | and use the debian-sys-maint sneakily | |
| 03:40 | aline | I think i'm gonna give up for today |
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| 03:48 | dcook | Now that I think about it... the easiest thing to do would probably be to use koha-create to make a new instance... |
| 03:48 | and koha-remove to drop the instance with the incorrect password... | |
| 03:48 | aline | oui? |
| 03:49 | ok | |
| 03:49 | eythian | probably yes |
| 03:50 | aline | ok |
| 03:51 | do I start by removing the actual instance or should I create the next one and then remove the previous one? | |
| 03:52 | dcook | Do you have anything in the current instance? |
| 03:52 | aline | no |
| 03:52 | nothing | |
| 03:52 | dcook | Then it doesn't matter :) |
| 03:52 | aline | ok |
| 03:58 | dcook | Have you tried that? |
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| 04:20 | dcook | Interesting... in 3.14.5, the self-registration makes you have email as a mandatory field |
| 04:20 | Even if you use emailpro instead | |
| 04:21 | I guess that's the whole "primary email" thing slowly coming about.. | |
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| 05:37 | dcook | Huh... never noticed C4::Context::boolean_preference before... |
| 06:19 | rangi: are you still around? | |
| 06:24 | * mtompset | waves good day. |
| 06:24 | mtompset | Have a great day, #koha dcook. :) |
| 06:24 | eythian. :) | |
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| 06:45 | * cait | waves |
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| 07:04 | mrenvoize | Morning koha |
| 07:05 | Wow, I've not signed in as this used for a while... Biggin just have me a 34 week old message | |
| 07:05 | _ashimema | That's better |
| 07:12 | Too early or too late for people this fine morning.. This very quiet | |
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| 07:45 | reiveune | hello |
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| 07:49 | ashimema_ | is it just me or have google snuck in https support for their covers service of late? |
| 07:54 | cait | morning brb |
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| 08:10 | Boom_IT | hi |
| 08:11 | need assistant | |
| 08:14 | ashimema_ | Hope i've not gone over the top with the academy keywords rangi.. |
| 08:15 | been trying to find relatively straightforward looking bugs for you whilst doing a bit of a bugzilla audit the past few days. Hpe i've not misjudged too many ;) | |
| 08:15 | What's up Boom_IT | |
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| 08:16 | BOOM_IT_ | hi |
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| 08:24 | fridolin | hie |
| 08:29 | ashimema_ | cait you back yet? |
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| 08:30 | gaetan_B | hello |
| 08:30 | ashimema_ | ooh.. she's actually completely logged off.. silly me. |
| 08:30 | Morning gaetan_B | |
| 08:30 | morning fridolin | |
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| 08:59 | cait | hi #kha |
| 08:59 | hi #koha | |
| 09:04 | ashimema | hi cait |
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| 09:24 | cait | hi akafred |
| 09:24 | sorry, bit slow this morning | |
| 10:53 | splitter++ Joubu++ - used it yesterday to find another bug that touched the same file | |
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| 11:16 | kivilahtio | Has there been any discussion about a centralized unit testing mock object library? |
| 11:17 | The problem with testing all these modules, is creating varied testing data | |
| 11:17 | and taking into account all the myriad cases, like handling a checkout using a SIP server for a borrower with and undefinite debarrment | |
| 11:17 | we can test for checkout or checkin for a normal case sure, but going through all the different permutations is really painfull. | |
| 11:18 | and the separate "mock" objects for various features are all scattered around in their respective test scripts | |
| 11:19 | if we had all the borrowers with all various states under one "library". It would be much easier to make more exhaustive unit tests | |
| 11:21 | Joubu: cait: jcamins: rambutan: wahanui: Do you remember anyone having this discussion? | |
| 11:22 | I would like to work on this interesting challenge, but unfortunately we are just adding our first big library group to our Koha installation and that might be quite time-consuming :) | |
| 11:24 | Joubu | kivilahtio: have a look at bug 10337 and bug 12603 |
| 11:24 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10337 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, In Discussion , UT: The unit tests cannot be launched by everyone |
| 11:24 | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=12603 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, yohann.dufour, Passed QA , TestBuilder - Module to simplify the writing of tests | |
| 11:25 | kivilahtio | Thanks a lot! |
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| 12:16 | jcamins | kivilahtio: what Joubu said. Also, I tried salted licorice on Monday. |
| 12:17 | * jcamins | is not one of the people who loves it. :) |
| 12:20 | kivilahtio | jcamins: salted licorice :) |
| 12:20 | jcamins: congratulations! Did you throw up? | |
| 12:28 | jcamins | lol |
| 12:28 | No. | |
| 12:28 | It wasn't *quite* that bad. | |
| 12:29 | I even finished the piece I tried! | |
| 12:29 | Granted, it was only two bites. | |
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| 12:41 | kivilahtio | jcamins: In Finland we swim in salted liquorice, so bad that it will melt mountains! |
| 12:45 | oleonard | cait++ # for bug-wrangling |
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| 12:47 | marcelr | hi #koha |
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| 13:03 | cait | Joubu: around? |
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| 13:19 | cait | oleonard++ too :) |
| 13:19 | hope i didn't just spam everyone's inboxes | |
| 13:20 | * oleonard | never considers bug-wrangling to be spam |
| 13:23 | marcelr | thx Joubu #13068 |
| 13:24 | Joubu++ | |
| 13:27 | Joubu | marcelr: thanks to you, I am waiting this behavior for 3 years now :) (RIP 7167) |
| 13:27 | marcelr | some things take some time ;) |
| 13:28 | * cait | waves |
| 13:28 | marcelr | and others take even more time :) |
| 13:28 | hi cait | |
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| 14:35 | tcohen | morning |
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| 14:52 | oleonard | Hi tcohen |
| 14:52 | cait | hi tcohen |
| 14:52 | tcohen | hi oleonard cait |
| 14:55 | cait | marcelr++ |
| 14:55 | marcelr | hi tcohen |
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| 15:36 | cait | marcelr: just a quick question - how do you determine which is the oldest bug? last changed or soemthing more specific? |
| 15:37 | I have beenwondering if there is a better way | |
| 15:37 | marcelr | last changed works often but sometimes you know that there are older ones; a better way would need peeking in to the bugzilla db |
| 15:38 | and even then we should exclude rebase only stuff | |
| 15:39 | so very hard to do | |
| 15:41 | Joubu | cait, marcelr: on the dashboard, the "10 oldest" are based on the status, not the last change |
| 15:42 | so the 10 oldest are the 10 oldest with the signed off unchanged status | |
| 15:42 | marcelr | that is helpful but may be incomplete too |
| 15:43 | depends on what is added after it reached SO | |
| 15:43 | Joubu | but more complete :) |
| 15:43 | marcelr | probably true |
| 15:43 | even most probably :) | |
| 15:46 | cait | probably using a combination of both will be good |
| 15:46 | trying to pick the oldest at least :) | |
| 15:47 | right now the queue is in 'ok' shape - so it's easier, will get harder again at some point ok | |
| 15:47 | some point i guess... | |
| 15:57 | ashimema | oooh. awesome.. Joubu++ |
| 15:57 | marcelr++ | |
| 15:57 | cait | hm question.... is accountoffsets used? |
| 15:57 | talking about the table | |
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| 15:59 | cait | hm no docs in kohastructure.sql |
| 16:12 | seeems to be related to refunds for lost items | |
| 16:15 | slef | hi |
| 16:17 | cait | hi slef - happy new year :) |
| 16:18 | slef | Happy new year to you. Mine isn't being so happy today :/ |
| 16:20 | I've got the notorious "Record didn't contain match fields in (bib1,Local-number)" on one server after an upgrade and the usual tricks (merging in changes to the configuration) doesn't seem to have worked. 090$c in exported_records looks OK to me. Any tips on curing this or am I doomed to dump and rebuild? :( | |
| 16:22 | cait | so the biblionumber is stored in 090 instead of 999? |
| 16:22 | did you update the koha-conf.xml? | |
| 16:22 | reiveune | bye |
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| 16:22 | cait | is there something showing on the about page / system information tab? |
| 16:25 | slef | cait: biblionumber is in 090$c by default on marc21 I think. I've updated koha-conf.xml |
| 16:28 | cait: hrm, a few ambers and two non-bold red which I think won't be relevant (Test::DBIx::Class and HTTPD::Bench::ApacheBench) | |
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| 16:32 | cait | the system information tab |
| 16:33 | and no, 090$c isn ot standard i am afrid | |
| 16:33 | maybe in real old versions | |
| 16:34 | slef | where is biblionumber these days? I can move it in system administration can't I? |
| 16:35 | things show in the server information tab but nothing particularly unusual-looking there | |
| 16:35 | oh and the system information tab | |
| 16:35 | jcamins | slef: biblionumber hasn't been in 090$c since 2008. |
| 16:36 | (for MARC21) | |
| 16:36 | slef | there's a warning that I'm using the administrative superuser |
| 16:36 | because it was the first login I had | |
| 16:36 | nothing else | |
| 16:36 | why do we have two tabs with rather similar names anyway? ;) | |
| 16:36 | jcamins | You'll need to change all the Zebra configuration and the frameworks. |
| 16:36 | slef | jcamins: do you know where it is now? |
| 16:37 | jcamins | 999$c, biblioitemnumber is 999$d. I think. |
| 16:37 | slef | jcamins: shouldn't upgrading the package have done this? |
| 16:43 | jcamins | No, that was never automated. |
| 16:44 | And the weird Zebra configurations predate the packages by a sizable margin. | |
| 16:46 | slef | hmmm so what's the best route out? Update the frameworks and mappings to match the zebra configuration from the new version? |
| 16:48 | jcamins | That would be my recommendation. |
| 16:48 | slef | and I wonder why this suddenly broke with 3.18 when it worked until now. I guess I should check what the previous version was, but once their catalogue is back on. |
| 16:48 | jcamins | And change your records to use 999$c. |
| 16:48 | wahanui | jcamins: that doesn't look right |
| 16:52 | tcohen | slef: in DOM, 999$c has been hardcoded for a while, and used as record id for indexing |
| 16:52 | maybe a grs-1 setup of yours had its own definition | |
| 16:52 | jcamins | tcohen: since always in DOM, and since almost always in GRS-1. |
| 16:55 | slef | yay, we have search results again |
| 16:56 | Now it's near 5pm I think I'll email the librarian and go work on the bicycle some more. | |
| 16:56 | Thanks jcamins cait tcohen | |
| 16:56 | @karma cait | |
| 16:56 | huginn | slef: Karma for "cait" has been increased 184 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 184. |
| 16:56 | slef | jcamins++ cait++ tcohen++ |
| 16:56 | @karma cait | |
| 16:56 | huginn | slef: Karma for "cait" has been increased 185 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 185. |
| 16:56 | slef | cool I can do multiples |
| 16:57 | tcohen | she works 36 hours a day, that's unfair |
| 16:57 | slef | I'll mop up the rest tomorrow |
| 16:59 | cait | i got called away - but see you figured it out - yay :) |
| 17:01 | hm ok | |
| 17:01 | tags_approval says: | |
| 17:01 | CONSTRAINT `tags_approval_borrowers_fk_1` FOREIGN KEY (`approved_by`) | |
| 17:01 | 2278 REFERENCES `borrowers` (`borrowernumber`) ON DELETE CASCADE ON UPDATE CASCADE | |
| 17:01 | does that mean... when we delete the staff user who approved the tags - we delete the tags? | |
| 17:02 | * cait | turns the database upside down these days |
| 17:02 | cait | http://git.koha-community.org/[…]d96aa9c4d1a#l2268 |
| 17:09 | can someone tell me if i read that wrong? | |
| 17:09 | before i embarass myself with a bug report? :) | |
| 17:11 | nooone? | |
| 17:16 | sophie_m | cait : i think you're right |
| 17:17 | cait | sophie_m: thx |
| 17:17 | it just doesn't seem to make sense... | |
| 17:19 | bag | hi there cait |
| 17:19 | happy new year | |
| 17:20 | cait | happy new year bag |
| 17:21 | hm more fun... i tested it | |
| 17:22 | it remains in tags_all - but is no longer visible in the tags list | |
| 17:22 | gone from display too | |
| 17:29 | slef | cait: good spot :-( |
| 17:29 | cait | bug 13534 |
| 17:30 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=13534 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , Deleting staff member who moderated a tag removes tags imcompletely |
| 17:30 | slef | cait: deleting staff should transfer their tags and any similar things? |
| 17:30 | cait | i think stet to null would work there |
| 17:30 | or should | |
| 17:30 | but not sure if we'd also need to adjust the code | |
| 17:38 | bug 13535 | |
| 17:38 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=13535 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Table alert is missing FK and not deleted with the patron |
| 17:38 | cait | more fun stuff |
| 17:48 | time to go before i find more ;) | |
| 17:48 | bye all | |
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| 17:58 | gaetan_B | bye |
| 18:01 | kivilahtio | good night |
| 18:01 | wahanui | I watch you sleep. |
| 18:01 | kivilahtio | I love you wahanui |
| 18:02 | liw | kivilahtio, hyvää yötä |
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| 20:11 | * cait | waves |
| 20:14 | tcohen | hi cait |
| 20:14 | cait | hi tcohen |
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| 20:21 | * magnuse | waves then promptly disappears for another 12 hours or so |
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| 21:25 | p_willie | Looking into Koha for a small church library. |
| 21:30 | Would prefer not to run my own server, but wonder if Koha can be installed on a subscription Apache host like HostGator or Chase. | |
| 21:31 | Do these host services allow command line access for installing Koha? | |
| 21:31 | cait | p_willie: you will need a server with full root access so you can install things |
| 21:32 | i am not sure what hostGator provides | |
| 21:33 | p_willie | Needn't be HostGator necessarily - just wonder if there are any hosts that would offer root access. Does anyone know? Is anyone here already doing it - or are you running your own server? |
| 21:35 | cait | you can certainly rent a server - but I am not the right person for details there :) |
| 21:36 | p_willie | Good point. Thanks. Will do some more digging. |
| 21:37 | wnickc | p_willie: I would try posting this to the Koha list, would be useful to see responses and post them on the wiki somewhere imho |
| 21:37 | some googling suggest it was possible on dreamhost at some point in history: http://wiki.dreamhost.com/Koha | |
| 21:38 | p_willie | That's helpful. Thanks, wnickc! |
| 21:45 | eythian | p_willie: most VPS providers give you root access |
| 21:45 | there will probably be some providers in whatever country you're in. | |
| 21:46 | p_willie | Yes. One quoted me a minimum of $1800/year. Waiting to hear from another. |
| 21:47 | eythian | er |
| 21:47 | that's a bit much | |
| 21:47 | p_willie | Have not asked LibLime yet. |
| 21:47 | rangi | Liblime dont do koha |
| 21:47 | p_willie | You're telling me. |
| 21:47 | eythian | I have one in the US that costs me...US$10/mo or something like that. |
| 21:47 | that kinda ballpark | |
| 21:48 | rangi | that 1800 a year im assuming was for a koha install and maintenance etc |
| 21:48 | not just a barebones server so you could install it yourself | |
| 21:48 | eythian | ah yeah, that's quite likely |
| 21:48 | rangi | have a look at linode |
| 21:48 | https://www.linode.com/ | |
| 21:49 | if you are wanting a linux box you have full control over | |
| 21:49 | p_willie | eythian - is that a Koha host - or an Apache host that you are managing the software on? |
| 21:49 | rangi | but there are hundreds of other companies that will rent you a linux box with root access |
| 21:49 | eythian | p_willie: it's a plain old Linux server that you can do whatever you like with. It does require having someone know how to maintain Linux though. |
| 21:51 | p_willie | Do they do any Apache/PHP/MySQL updates - or do you have to do that? |
| 21:51 | rangi | you have to do that |
| 21:51 | its your linux server | |
| 21:52 | and koha doesnt use php, so you probably dont want that running/installed | |
| 21:52 | p_willie | Hm. Might be worth playing on, but I'm worried it's out of my depth. |
| 21:54 | rangi | yep thats what you are paying for when you pay for someone to host/maintain a koha instance for your, their knowledge about koha, and linux and to do security updates etc, hence when its more than just the cost of a box you maintain |
| 21:56 | p_willie | Right. Was just hoping for an entrepreneurial sort who might offer "instance hosting" for a small library of < 2000 titles - at an affordable rate. |
| 21:57 | eythian | there are plenty of support companies out there, have you had a look on the list on the Koha website? |
| 21:57 | wahanui: support companies | |
| 21:57 | wahanui | eythian: sorry... |
| 21:57 | eythian | hmm |
| 21:57 | p_willie | Yes. |
| 21:57 | rangi | unfortunatelythe size of the library has no bearing on how much it costs to maintain |
| 21:58 | (or very little anyway unless the size is HUGE) | |
| 21:58 | p_willie | Understood. |
| 21:58 | eythian | wahanui: support companies is <reply>http://koha-community.org/supp[…]-support/country/ |
| 21:58 | wahanui | OK, eythian. |
| 21:58 | eythian | wahanui: support companies |
| 21:58 | wahanui | http://koha-community.org/supp[…]-support/country/ |
| 21:58 | eythian | there :) |
| 21:59 | p_willie | Yes. Have tried the list. That's where I got one $1800/yr quote. Awaiting another. Other North American hosts listed go to expired domains - or one completely in French. |
| 22:00 | eythian | wizzyrea: the Libéo entry on the support list should probably be checked, it's 404ing |
| 22:01 | p_willie | Equinox Software lists "Koha on Demand" instance hosting for small libraries, but I haven't received a quote from them yet. |
| 22:01 | eythian | gmcharlt: y'about? |
| 22:02 | p_willie | http://esilibrary.com/what-we-[…]on-demand/#sthash.bGMSKv7s.dpbs |
| 22:04 | Thanks for your input, guys and gals! | |
| 22:08 | Looking at Linode plans - what is the minimum SSD storage I should get for running Koha? | |
| 22:08 | Cheapest plan is 24 GB, is that enough? | |
| 22:08 | eythian | for a small library, I'd go ~20GB |
| 22:08 | yeah | |
| 22:08 | you'll have plenty of room to move in there. | |
| 22:09 | p_willie | That helps, thanks! |
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| 23:13 | M_Sic | Hi all - I'm new to Koha and am running into an issue that google-fu doesn't seem to be able to solve. Can I ask a simple question here or should I shoot for the mailing lists? Mahalo! |
| 23:14 | eythian | wahanui: ask |
| 23:14 | wahanui | Don't ask to ask, just ask. |
| 23:16 | M_Sic | haha, okay; thanks. I'm at the web installer but when putting in the username/password from the koha-conf.xml file the page just refreshes. No errors listed in the koha-error log and apache log has a few lines similar to : install.pl: Use of uninitialized value in split at /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/Languages.pm line 580. |
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| 23:19 | eythian | hrm |
| 23:19 | so, it just asks for your password again? | |
| 23:20 | M_Sic | Correct - regardless of whether I use the correct username/password or nothing |
| 23:20 | eythian | are you sure you're using the right un/password from the koha-conf.xml file? There are a few in there. You want the ones inside the 'config' section, towards the bottom. |
| 23:21 | * eythian | has to go track down lunch |
| 23:21 | * tcohen | updates PDF::Reuse on his box |
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| 23:27 | dcook | mmm lunch |
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| 23:29 | M_Sic | Just wanted to say thanks! I was using a different user from the xml file; thought the one I'm supposed to use was just for the db. |
| 23:30 | rangi | you should only use that to run the installer/upgrader and then to set up a real user in koha, and then dont use it again (koha will warn you about this) |
| 23:32 | M_Sic | Yep; will do |
| 23:51 | huginn | New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 13407: Bumping required version of PDF::Reuse <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]9247c915f2346acf0> / Bug 13407: Removing depricated code included in PDF::Reuse <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]2271ecbb0f3a80d05> / Bug 11872 - Lost overdue items should not generate fines <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=ko |
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