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| 01:45 | wizzyrea | so quiet. |
| 01:50 | ibeardslee | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BF9TjbdJyUE |
| 01:51 | wizzyrea | oh bjork, I can't ever be mad at you |
| 02:03 | mtj | heya wizzyrea |
| 02:03 | wahanui | it has been said that wizzyrea is a Cylon, and they all have plans. |
| 02:04 | wizzyrea | hi mtj |
| 02:08 | mtj | wizzyrea, eythian, rangi, can i run my TT solution pass yall? |
| 02:11 | my solution is pretty stupidly simple, yet... i cant see why it would not work | |
| 02:12 | 1/ subsitute all TT blocks in a template with a placeholder variable | |
| 02:13 | 2/ build a .po file from the substituted template | |
| 02:13 | 3/ upload .po file to pootle server, for translation | |
| 02:14 | - then to build a translated template... | |
| 02:16 | 4/ apply .po file to a substituted .tt file | |
| 02:17 | 5/ replace placeholder variables in substituted .tt file, with correct TT constructs | |
| 02:17 | . | |
| 02:18 | and thats it... | |
| 02:18 | rangi | where are the values you need to add back in going to live? |
| 02:18 | (thats pretty much exactly what we are doing now btw) | |
| 02:19 | the %s in the po files are the placeholders | |
| 02:19 | stripping the tt stuff is pretty easy, because its all [% %] | |
| 02:20 | mtj | they could live in a file, or in memory - i guess... |
| 02:20 | rangi | yeah thats what we do now |
| 02:20 | that is the simple bit, its the stuff inside html that is tricky | |
| 02:20 | you want to translate alt tags for example | |
| 02:20 | but not src ones | |
| 02:21 | mtj | ok, so perhaps i dont undestand the problem yet :/ |
| 02:21 | rangi | the problem is when people try to be cute |
| 02:21 | and do things like | |
| 02:22 | something something [if ] something [ else ] something else | |
| 02:22 | mtj | i thought the complex TT blocks in a template made translating hard, for humans |
| 02:22 | rangi | instead of |
| 02:22 | [% if %] something something something [% else %] something something something else [% end %] | |
| 02:22 | that causes problems | |
| 02:22 | cos it ends up as | |
| 02:22 | something something something something else | |
| 02:23 | when you strip the tt | |
| 02:23 | ie, you mess up the context | |
| 02:23 | does that make sense? | |
| 02:23 | its when programmers are lazy and go, oh no, typing some extra characters i will die | |
| 02:23 | that it makes life hard for the translators | |
| 02:24 | mtj | yes, i think i understand |
| 02:24 | stripping the constructs, removes the context | |
| 02:24 | rangi | yes, so try to make your stuff contextual |
| 02:24 | even if you have to repeat something | |
| 02:24 | mtj | ...which creates translation bugs for translating |
| 02:25 | rangi | yep |
| 02:25 | mtj | s/translating/translators/ |
| 02:25 | rangi | *nod* for both |
| 02:25 | mtj | ah right, so its still a 'people' problem :/ |
| 02:25 | rangi | automated translating, and translators |
| 02:25 | yep | |
| 02:26 | its almost always easier to translate a phrase | |
| 02:26 | than a single word | |
| 02:26 | at least to do a 'good' translation | |
| 02:27 | structuring our tt files | |
| 02:27 | we could do that better | |
| 02:27 | with includes | |
| 02:27 | or blocks | |
| 02:27 | so that there is less to translate | |
| 02:28 | that would help | |
| 02:28 | mtj | hum, something to think about |
| 02:29 | rangi | itd be fun/interesting to spend an afternoon sometime, shifting stuff around, and seeing how that changes the .po generated etc |
| 02:29 | mtj | having not actually done any translating, i havent experienced the problems with 'complex' template files |
| 02:29 | rangi | its not really even complex |
| 02:30 | its just when you embed stuff in html | |
| 02:30 | or split things up | |
| 02:30 | mtj | yeah, gotcha |
| 02:30 | rangi | it loses context |
| 02:30 | my dream would be | |
| 02:30 | remember kea | |
| 02:30 | how you could click on a block of text to edit it? | |
| 02:31 | if you could do that to translate, and somehow push it upstream | |
| 02:31 | mtj | yep ^ |
| 02:31 | rangi | that would be awesome |
| 02:33 | mtj | so embedding if/else TT logic within an html element - is the basic problem? |
| 02:33 | rangi | thats defintely a major one |
| 02:34 | but also breaking a sentence up, with an if else that hcanges the meaning of the sentence by changing one word | |
| 02:34 | is also problematic | |
| 02:34 | http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]arkup_inside_HTML | |
| 02:35 | http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]bedded_JavaScript is one too | |
| 02:37 | mtj | ok, i got it :0) |
| 02:37 | thanks for explaining that... again, rangi | |
| 02:38 | rangi | no worries, its a non obvious problem, unless you have tried to translate |
| 02:38 | mtj | hopefully i can write some better tests for the qa-tool, from this info |
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| 04:30 | wajasu | when trying to do an install for a package build for wheezy, I get warnings of not being able to locate: libdata-paginator-perl, libmodule-bundled-files-perl, and libtemplate-plugin-htmltotext.perl |
| 04:31 | is did a CPAN for the paginator, but wonder if I need some other unstable/repo in my sources.list | |
| 04:47 | probably because i am in a debian wheezy chroot but using git master debian.packages. i'll look at the tag for 13.06.04 | |
| 04:47 | tmrw | |
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| 07:16 | * magnuse | waves |
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| 07:38 | * mveron | waves |
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| 07:40 | marcelr | hi #koha |
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| 07:53 | reiveune | hello |
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| 07:56 | magnuse | @wunder boo |
| 07:56 | huginn | magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 8.0°C (8:50 AM CET on November 03, 2014). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 81%. Dew Point: 5.0°C. Windchill: 5.0°C. Pressure: 28.91 in 979 hPa (Falling). |
| 07:56 | magnuse | hot! |
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| 08:02 | alex_a | bonjour |
| 08:02 | wahanui | que tal, alex_a |
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| 08:10 | gaetan_B | hello |
| 08:14 | cait | hi #koha |
| 08:19 | Joubu | hello #koha |
| 08:20 | marcelr | hi gaetan_B cait Joubu |
| 08:25 | * magnuse | waves |
| 08:26 | just had three moose walking through his garden | |
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| 08:37 | bensinober | hi, anyone from biblibre working on koha-restful here? |
| 08:38 | cait | hi bensinober - maybe try again a bit later if noone answers now |
| 08:39 | bensinober | morning cait, will do! |
| 08:39 | cait | still early in europe on a monday :) where are you from? |
| 08:40 | magnuse | oslo! :-) |
| 08:41 | bensinober | yes, Benjamin from the Oslo gang ;9 |
| 08:41 | cait | what's the word for a person who lives in oslo? oslonian? |
| 08:41 | oh hi Benjamin then :) | |
| 08:42 | bensinober | it's probably 'an ozzie' |
| 08:42 | cait | :) |
| 08:43 | mveron | hello everybody |
| 08:43 | @wunder allschwil | |
| 08:43 | huginn | mveron: The current temperature in Wetter Allschwil, Allschwil, Switzerland is 12.9°C (9:43 AM CET on November 03, 2014). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 76%. Dew Point: 9.0°C. Pressure: 29.83 in 1010 hPa (Falling). |
| 08:45 | magnuse | @wunder oslo |
| 08:45 | huginn | magnuse: Error: No such location could be found. |
| 08:45 | magnuse | @wunder oslo, norway |
| 08:45 | huginn | magnuse: The current temperature in Kikut, Oslo, Norway is 7.8°C (9:39 AM CET on November 03, 2014). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 96%. Dew Point: 7.0°C. Windchill: 8.0°C. Pressure: 29.27 in 991 hPa (Steady). |
| 08:48 | magnuse | i think perhaps jajm and Joubu have been involved in koha-restful? |
| 08:50 | jajm | magnuse, hi, I worked on koha-restful with alex_a and matts |
| 08:51 | clrh | bensinober: yep I am here |
| 08:52 | bensinober: I know the question and you will have the answer | |
| 08:52 | bensinober: Claire, BibLibre | |
| 08:52 | (development team) | |
| 08:55 | jajm | bensinober, hi! clrh sent me the output of koha-restful's tests. i will take a look at that |
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| 08:57 | cait | hi mveron btw ;) |
| 08:58 | mveron | hi cait :-) ...and hi everybody :-) |
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| 09:02 | magnuse | oops, i think bensinober is in a short meeting, he will be back later |
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| 09:08 | * ashimema | mental note: Don't upgrade Ubuntu versions just after return from holiday |
| 09:09 | magnuse | better to do it right before the holiday? |
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| 09:12 | cait | welcome back Joubu! |
| 09:13 | and welcome back ashimema! | |
| 09:13 | ashimema | oh la cait |
| 09:13 | hows it all been in my week absence? | |
| 09:13 | magnuse | horrible! |
| 09:13 | ashimema | oh? |
| 09:14 | mad rush of qa and signoff for the next release? | |
| 09:14 | or just overly quiet ;) | |
| 09:14 | magnuse | a bit of a rush, yes |
| 09:14 | cait has been qa'ing like... something awesome | |
| 09:15 | but that is nothing new, i guess | |
| 09:15 | bensinober | jajm & clrh, sorry, we just had status meeting |
| 09:15 | we actually solved the failing tests in koha-restful against 3.16 | |
| 09:15 | ashimema | cait is indeed awesome in every way :) |
| 09:15 | cait | ashimema: to make it worse.. you got volunteered tolook at the most terrible bugs ;) |
| 09:15 | ashimema | sorry for nto being about to help spread the load a bit cait.. |
| 09:16 | haha... thanks cait ;) | |
| 09:16 | I'll probably mostly be catching up with the email backlog etc today.. but let me know if there's anything your desperate for me to take a look at. | |
| 09:16 | cait | nothing desperate right now, read your email :) |
| 09:16 | jajm | bensinober, oh, great! do you need anything else from us ? |
| 09:17 | ashimema | :(.. |
| 09:17 | * ashimema | was looking for any excuse not to dig sraight into the email pile ;) |
| 09:17 | cait | why the sad smiley? |
| 09:17 | heh | |
| 09:17 | go read your email! | |
| 09:17 | clrh | bensinober: stigbd told us you could submit us a patch |
| 09:17 | bensinober | jajm, actually, we're wondering if you'd like pull requests on github or if you'd like code somewhere else? |
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| 09:20 | jajm | bensinober, pull requests on github would be fine i think |
| 09:20 | bensinober | good, we use your http://git.biblibre.com as upstream anyway, so should be easy to merge in |
| 09:21 | beware we have done no testing against < 3.16 | |
| 09:29 | jajm, pull request now sent, please dont hesitate to ask/object | |
| 09:30 | we also have some more general future requests for a more generic koha-restful, but that is part of a wider discussion | |
| 09:33 | I believe Petter (colleague from Oslo) started some koha and API discussion a while ago, but I don't know if it came close to any conclusion | |
| 09:38 | jajm | bensinober, i quickly read the diff from the PR, there's one thing that should be fixed: wthdrawn is reworded to withdrawn, the database column was 'wthdrawn' (without 'i') until 3.14. We try to be compatible with as many versions of Koha as possible. |
| 10:24 | bensinober | jajm, ok, makes sense, but since db_dependent tests run upgrade_database script, how to handle the shift from 3.14 to 3.16? |
| 10:25 | either tests must run a check on koha version or koha-restful must be versioned after koha? | |
| 10:25 | or even better, koha-restful should be part of koha ;) | |
| 10:29 | jajm | bensinober, maybe this is the way to go ;) |
| 11:15 | marcelr | cait: fedora |
| 11:15 | cait | ah ok - i think maybe we need tcohen get involved here |
| 11:15 | not sure what's best | |
| 11:15 | the tests will need to be rewritten if you aremissing themodule eventually | |
| 11:15 | at least we need to check in order to make it non-mandatory | |
| 11:15 | lunch :) bbiab | |
| 11:38 | ashimema | I'd like to see allot of koha-restful added to koha mainstream... But, I think I prefer the implementation logic around pianohackers Kohaa::Services module (which is not yet out there).. |
| 11:38 | I'll be attempting to port a few of biblibres restful api's to using it when I get a moment.. as a proof of concept | |
| 11:42 | bensinober | ashimema, sounds like a great plan! let us know if we can help! |
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| 11:43 | ashimema | https://github.com/pianohacker[…]c84667fe633868fda if your interested in the Service module that I'd like to base it upon ;) |
| 11:44 | just the top file in that commit it the 'important' one.. the other files are just re-implimnetations of existing /svc services. | |
| 11:44 | It's nice because it handles authentication for you.. using existing koha code.. and also handle json natively too | |
| 11:45 | which is pretty neat ;).. less dependencies on new modules from cpan too.. | |
| 11:45 | koha-restful is awesome though.. just needs some thought into the bits the above seems to solve | |
| 11:50 | bensinober | ashimema, this is extremely interesting! |
| 11:51 | ashimema | thought you might like it ;) |
| 11:51 | bensinober | whatever is Koha::Service::Frobnicator ? |
| 11:51 | ashimema | just an example ;) |
| 11:51 | So, Koha::Service is the base object that you extend.. | |
| 11:52 | Koha::Service::Thing is then the 'Thing' api object.. for interacting with 'Thing' | |
| 11:53 | you then expose it via a /svc/script which become just a simple 2 line script | |
| 11:53 | I really like it because it makes the api super testable ;) | |
| 11:53 | it's a Work In Progress very much at the minute.. with some 'nasties' in that commit to be backward compatible.. | |
| 11:54 | What I'd like to see is a versioned api arise from it... | |
| 11:54 | with /api/script for example coming in.. and not having to add sid 'nasties' into the Koha::Service:: namespace. | |
| 11:55 | I've implimented some ILL stuff using it.. and it's works very nicely so far. | |
| 12:00 | bensinober | exactly, and covers authentication as well |
| 12:01 | very interesting indeed! | |
| 12:03 | does this have some leverage in the community? we would love to see some communal agreement on APIs, it's quite important for our mode d'emploi | |
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| 12:09 | ashimema | Well.. it's not especially public as yet.. but it's certainly what I'm aiming to back ;) |
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| 12:10 | ashimema | my hope is that converting the koha-restful stuff should be fairly trivial |
| 12:10 | if so, the I could see it getting allot of unified backing.. | |
| 12:10 | I know a number of interested parties ;) | |
| 12:10 | Code wise, Koha::Service would pass QA in my books already ;) | |
| 12:13 | bensinober | koha-restful mainly exposes internal APIs in Koha and routes to GET/POST/PUTs, with some extra checks e.g. expanding the Holds module |
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| 12:14 | bensinober | but most should be trivial to port, but I'm not the one to say, jajm and clrh from biblibre would know |
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| 12:16 | * cait | is all for restul APIs and will back whatever seems to make most sense :) |
| 12:25 | jajm | bensinober, a thing to consider is that koha-restful is compatible with mod_perl, thanks to CGI::Application::Dispatch. If we decide to put koha-restful into koha, that must not change |
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| 12:31 | clrh | and if API does not change it is better because some other components are based on its ;) |
| 12:36 | bensinober | From what I see, koha-restful is very kosher except from the extra tests in reserves/holds (CanBookBeReserved,CanItemBeReserved) which should perhaps be pushed into Koha main? |
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| 12:40 | bensinober | and as I see it, although koha-restful is opac-focused, the exposed methods are generic, create/edit/delete user etc. |
| 12:41 | cait | i think authentication was mentioned as one area to improve - not sure how that is handled |
| 12:42 | bensinober | it would be handled as /svc does today if ported to ashimema's Koha::Service |
| 12:43 | by session cookies if I'm not mistaken (sessionid, username, pass) | |
| 12:44 | which eliminates need for extra authentication/validation | |
| 12:45 | cait | and all is sent encrypted? |
| 12:45 | bensinober | dunno : |
| 12:46 | cait | i am german, so paranoid :) |
| 12:46 | magnuse | wouldn't that work the same way as https for the rest of koha? |
| 12:46 | you can configure it, but it is more or less outside the scope of koha? | |
| 12:46 | bensinober | an opessl https would go, i suppose |
| 12:47 | cait | ok |
| 12:47 | paul_p: around? | |
| 12:47 | bensinober | and I suppose more dangerous services (create/mod/delete branch) could be masked behind firewalls as well, if wanted |
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| 12:47 | ashimema | indeed.. |
| 12:47 | cait | hi tcohen and oleonard |
| 12:47 | tcohen | oh, connected |
| 12:47 | ashimema | it would support https the same way koha does already ;) |
| 12:47 | tcohen | awesome (been having trouble doing so) |
| 12:48 | ashimema | it allows for login via username/password with every request.. or via cookie if you choose to use login sessions. |
| 12:48 | tcohen | @later tell rangi you've got to be kidding :-D |
| 12:48 | huginn | tcohen: The operation succeeded. |
| 12:48 | ashimema | the big advantage of using koha's native auth is tha tit comes with permissions built in ;) |
| 12:49 | I believe | |
| 12:49 | jajm.. what special about mod_perl in koha-restful? | |
| 12:49 | tcohen | cait, the report isn' tshowing anything to me |
| 12:50 | oleonard | Hi all |
| 12:50 | tcohen | hi oleonard |
| 12:50 | cait | tcohen: found out later the link only works for me - it hows how many bugs in which severity are open |
| 12:50 | jajm | ashimema, nothing special, just that it works, and it would be too bad that we lose this feature while porting it into koha :) |
| 12:50 | tcohen | bugs like bugs? excluding enh and new? |
| 12:51 | Joubu1: wb | |
| 12:51 | cait | tcohen: well it's just an overview thing, also showing the number of blockers and critical bugs |
| 12:52 | ashimema | jajm.. I don't think it's likely that adding the entire CGI::Application as a dependency is likely to happen myself.. |
| 12:53 | hense sticking to koha's routines | |
| 12:53 | I'm game for keeping mod_perl though if viable.. | |
| 12:53 | I'de rather ensure that services 'just work' under plack by default | |
| 12:54 | tcohen | cait: the patches from msaby still fail Search.t |
| 12:54 | cait | ah |
| 12:54 | not sure why they don't fail for him | |
| 12:54 | maybe only failing on a marc21 database? | |
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| 12:55 | jajm | ashimema, if plack allow for the same performance gains than mod_perl, I think it would be ok |
| 12:56 | ashimema | I believe it does.. though I've never tested that comparison.. paul_p may know ;) |
| 12:56 | cait | i think we are moving more and more inthe direction of having plack not 'experimantal' |
| 12:56 | hopefully :) | |
| 12:57 | oooh ashimema - could you test something with caching? | |
| 12:57 | or Joubu1? | |
| 12:57 | paul_p | ashimema &jajm = I never tested this comparison, but I'd say yes, it's the same kind of gain, as it's the same kind of technical behavior |
| 12:57 | cait | there is a patch about syspref cachign waiting in the qa queue |
| 12:57 | paul_p | cait = yes ? |
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| 13:02 | ashimema | bug cait? |
| 13:02 | * oleonard | bugs cait |
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| 13:18 | tcohen | hi |
| 13:19 | cait | ashimema: the queue is 16 bugs, you can spot it :P |
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| 13:37 | cait | oleonard: got a moment? :) |
| 13:38 | oleonard | Yes |
| 13:38 | cait | are you still working on follow-ups for on-site? |
| 13:38 | ashimema | cait.. are we asking all db code to be dbic now? |
| 13:39 | oleonard | cait: I had one more (mostly style-related) style follow-up which I can submit later today |
| 13:41 | cait | ashimema: i think for Koha namespace we probably should |
| 13:41 | tcohen | ashimema: it should, yes |
| 13:41 | cait | but i haven't been super strict this release because the objects are still in limbo |
| 13:41 | ashimema | this is in C4::Context |
| 13:41 | tcohen | no hard rule |
| 13:42 | but we offer cookies | |
| 13:42 | =D | |
| 13:42 | magnuse | :-) |
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| 13:42 | cait | alfajores too? :) |
| 13:42 | tcohen: you let me go home iwth a slight addiction to dulce de leche i think... | |
| 13:43 | ashimema | K.. I've left a comment for Robin on that cacheing bug then cait. |
| 13:43 | it's an 'interesting' one.. | |
| 13:43 | cait | can you define interesting in that context? :) |
| 13:43 | ashimema | I'm not actualyl 100% sure I know what/how it fixes |
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| 13:43 | ashimema | But.. I have come accross the issue.. and it does appear to fix it.. |
| 13:44 | cait | sounds mysterious |
| 13:44 | tcohen | bug? |
| 13:44 | wahanui | it has been said that bug is it stores biblionumber not itemnumber |
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| 13:44 | ashimema | just feels like a bit of a hack.. adding an arbitrary 30 second limit to the cache. |
| 13:44 | bug 11998 | |
| 13:44 | wahanui | bug 11998 is ready for signoff if anyone wants something to do... |
| 13:44 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=11998 major, P5 - low, ---, robin, Signed Off , Syspref caching issues |
| 13:44 | ashimema | It's Plack with Syspref Cache tcohen.. |
| 13:45 | tcohen | yes, found it thanks |
| 13:46 | we expected to have plack mostly solved for release | |
| 13:46 | ashimema | :) |
| 13:46 | tcohen | it looks good |
| 13:46 | ashimema | I can pass it now.. only comment was that dbic stuff.. |
| 13:46 | but robin won't see that for a fair few hours yet ;) | |
| 13:47 | tcohen | pass it |
| 13:47 | if it works, of course :-P | |
| 13:48 | ashimema | hehe.. |
| 13:48 | k.. will just do some last extra checks. | |
| 13:50 | :(.. code works.. but it fails the qa script.. | |
| 13:50 | fail it is then | |
| 13:50 | magnuse | unless we have decided that all new could should use dbic (and how it should use it), i say pass it! :-) |
| 13:51 | ah, the qa script... ;-) | |
| 13:51 | ashimema | just a minor critic error by the looks.. |
| 13:55 | tests should run independent of plack right? | |
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| 14:04 | ashimema | @later tell eythian Could you take a look at bug 11998 pretty please :) |
| 14:04 | huginn | ashimema: The operation succeeded. |
| 14:06 | cait | omg http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]ki/Roles_for_3.20 |
| 14:06 | :P | |
| 14:06 | ashimema | tcohen++ for RM |
| 14:07 | oleonard | every_volunteer++ |
| 14:07 | cait | @later tell eythian - can you also take a look at http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]i/Roles_for_3.20? I thik there is an empty spot... |
| 14:07 | huginn | cait: The operation succeeded. |
| 14:08 | * oleonard | volunteers to continue his role as general busybody |
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| 14:11 | cait | oleonard: you should but your name on the bug wrangler list |
| 14:11 | becasue you are :) | |
| 14:11 | ashimema | indeed.. I was just thinking that too cait |
| 14:14 | cait | on-site |
| 14:14 | gr | |
| 14:14 | oleonard: sorry, missed your answer earlier - cool :) | |
| 14:15 | oleonard | Oh is Joubu back? |
| 14:17 | cait | oleonard: his first day back today - be nice :) |
| 14:17 | * oleonard | is glad Joubu1 didn't get lost in the jungle |
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| 14:19 | Joubu1 | oleonard: More desert and mountain than jungle, but yes I survived :) |
| 14:19 | Joubu | (not my znc server...) |
| 14:19 | * cait | is a bit jealous of Joubu's extar time in Argentina |
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| 14:23 | magnuse | tcohen++ |
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| 14:23 | tcohen | volunteers++ |
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| 14:26 | tcohen | YAY! the coffee pot got refilled at the officce! YAY |
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| 14:30 | cait | tcohen: is it only coffee making you so cheerful? :) |
| 14:30 | tcohen++ :) | |
| 14:30 | tcohen | last week was a nightmare here |
| 14:30 | no coffee, no joy | |
| 14:34 | Joubu | tcohen: no maté neither?? |
| 14:34 | tcohen | yes |
| 14:34 | lots of mate | |
| 14:35 | but am all green inside already | |
| 14:35 | missing coffee | |
| 14:35 | Joubu | ha, ouf! ;) |
| 14:35 | cait | heh |
| 14:35 | tcohen | how was your trip? |
| 14:35 | Joubu | very nice, very hot |
| 14:35 | a lot of sunburn :) | |
| 14:36 | The sun is Argentina is very dangerous! | |
| 14:36 | cait | Joubu: seems i left in time... before it got even hotter |
| 14:36 | @wunder Argentina | |
| 14:36 | huginn | cait: Error: No such location could be found. |
| 14:37 | Joubu | @wunder Mendoza |
| 14:37 | huginn | Joubu: Error: No such location could be found. |
| 14:37 | Joubu | @wunder Mendoza, Argentina |
| 14:37 | huginn | Joubu: The current temperature in Mendoza, Argentina is 11.0°C (11:00 AM ART on November 03, 2014). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 62%. Dew Point: 4.0°C. Pressure: 30.09 in 1019 hPa (Rising). |
| 14:37 | Joubu | ho, it was 30°C 1 week ago :) |
| 14:38 | And the car didn't get any bump! | |
| 14:44 | tcohen | Joubu: it is cold this days, it will last one more day and the hot weather wiull be back |
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| 15:05 | huginn | New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 10860: (RM followup) checkout-related sysprefs belong to the checkouts section <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]036e9296ced6e5acb> / Bug 13184 - Circulation template problems if OnSiteCheckouts is off but OnSiteCheckou... <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]c456a571f7aaa301e> / Bug 13179 - Circulation page layout p |
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| 16:01 | bag | morning |
| 16:06 | reiveune | bye |
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| 16:11 | martin_ | Hey - is there anyone here to can help me troubleshoot an install? I've done this many times successfully, but can't recall why I'm getting a "NO URL FOUND" error |
| 16:11 | ARG! | |
| 16:24 | blou | git install, or koha-common? |
| 16:24 | ha, gone | |
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| 17:19 | tcohen | Joubu: how can I see a checkout is an on-site checkout? |
| 17:20 | oleonard | It should say so in the list of checkouts on the circulation page tcohen |
| 17:21 | tcohen | so this is wrong: http://snag.gy/PhcES.jpg |
| 17:22 | oleonard | Yes, if that was an on-site checkout. That's not how it looks on my system. |
| 17:22 | Joubu | tcohen: yes, you should see the "onsite checkout" in red |
| 17:22 | bag | tcohen: I think you need to have more tabs open in your browser |
| 17:22 | Joubu | s/the/a |
| 17:22 | bag | :P |
| 17:22 | tcohen | bag: :P |
| 17:23 | oleonard | tcohen: http://snag.gy/7bKlh.jpg |
| 17:24 | tcohen | yeah, cannot make it show |
| 17:25 | Joubu | tcohen: did the 'flag' is set in the db? |
| 17:25 | outch | |
| 17:25 | tcohen | evidence: http://snag.gy/OaMnq.jpg |
| 17:28 | paul_p | bag = around ? |
| 17:29 | bag = we switched to winter time 2 weeks ago. Just would like to chec, time for tomorrow meeting... | |
| 17:29 | Joubu | tcohen: did you completly refresh your cache? |
| 17:29 | tcohen | i didn't |
| 17:29 | =D | |
| 17:30 | paul_p | bag = for me it's 6:30PM now. |
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| 17:30 | paul_p | Joubu = have you seen you've a google meeting schedule with brendan tomorrow ? |
| 17:31 | Joubu | paul_p: yep |
| 17:39 | tcohen | Joubu: it worked, thanks |
| 17:39 | * cait | waves |
| 17:39 | cait | brb, just restarting |
| 17:39 | tcohen | hi cait |
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| 17:40 | gaetan_B | bye! |
| 17:42 | tcohen | @seen marcelr |
| 17:42 | huginn | tcohen: marcelr was last seen in #koha 6 hours, 26 minutes, and 55 seconds ago: <marcelr> cait: fedora |
| 17:43 | Joubu | tcohen: great! |
| 17:43 | have to good, see you! | |
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| 17:53 | cait | back |
| 18:04 | bag | sorry paul I was on the phone |
| 18:04 | I replied to your email | |
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| 18:05 | bag | hola hankbank |
| 18:07 | cait | hi bag :) |
| 18:07 | bag | heya cait - good day to you |
| 18:08 | tcohen | #koha: i have two sample XSLT transformations for the SRU/Z39.50 import feature |
| 18:08 | remove_items.xsl and remove_9_link_except_items.xsl | |
| 18:09 | can u help me name them in a more sane way? | |
| 18:09 | cait | good day to you too bag :) |
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| 19:01 | wajasu | when i try to build koha-common packages to test debian and ubuntu bugs, shoud I build against squeeze, squeeze-dev or wheezy dist? |
| 19:04 | tcohen | wajasu: i think you can safely build against either |
| 19:04 | i think eythian builds master using squeeze-dev | |
| 19:07 | wajasu | in my minbase environment, with latest git kohaclone, i try dpkg --set-selections < install_misc/debian.packages and get lots of warnings of not being able to locate many of the perl dependencies/ packages. |
| 19:07 | i'll try squeeze-dev | |
| 19:08 | i specifically can't find libdata-paginator-perl and a couple more, so i will see if those are in squeeze-dev. | |
| 19:08 | rangi | you should be building with pbuilder or something, that builds from clean each time, and you will need debian.koha-community.org in your sources.list |
| 19:09 | http://debian.koha-community.o[…]a-paginator-perl/ <-- its definitely there | |
| 19:10 | wajasu | its probably because i tried to do it in wheezy. i'll try squeeze. |
| 19:10 | * cait | waves at wajasu and rangi |
| 19:10 | tcohen | master doesn't seem to require Data::Paginator anymore :-D |
| 19:11 | rangi | hi cait |
| 19:13 | wajasu | well libmodule-bundled-files-perl and libtemplate-plugin-htmltotext-perl where the other two i needed. |
| 19:14 | tcohen | wajasu |
| 19:14 | wajasu | i'll try squeeze. |
| 19:14 | tcohen | you're using debian/build-git-snapshot |
| 19:14 | right? | |
| 19:15 | wajasu | yes |
| 19:16 | but i had put wheezy in my sources.list.d/koha.list instead ;) | |
| 19:24 | tcohen | bye #koha |
| 19:27 | oleonard | Bug 11201 |
| 19:27 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=11201 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , List pending in-house uses |
| 19:27 | oleonard | I don't think "pending" is the right word here |
| 19:28 | I guess the title and breadcrumbs get it right: simply "On-site checkouts" | |
| 19:29 | cait | oleonard: sounds right |
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| 20:21 | * wizzyrea | really wants to test the opac password reset dev |
| 20:21 | wizzyrea | I hope I get time to... |
| 20:21 | blargh. | |
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| 20:27 | bag | yeah wizzyrea that would be rad if you could test that one |
| 20:27 | wizzyrea | wouldn't it. |
| 20:27 | I have a few clients who really want it. I'll try to make it a priority. | |
| 20:27 | i/we | |
| 21:25 | actually no I won't, it wouldn't pass qa in it's current state so I won't touch it. | |
| 21:32 | cait | @wunder Konstanz |
| 21:32 | huginn | cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 5.6°C (10:30 PM CET on November 03, 2014). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 95%. Dew Point: 5.0°C. Windchill: 6.0°C. Pressure: 29.56 in 1001 hPa (Steady). |
| 21:36 | bag | @wunder 93109 |
| 21:36 | huginn | bag: The current temperature in Westside, Santa Barbara, California is 21.9°C (1:35 PM PST on November 03, 2014). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 45%. Dew Point: 9.0°C. Pressure: 30.14 in 1021 hPa (Falling). |
| 21:36 | bag | perfect |
| 21:36 | wahanui | well, perfect is the enemy of good |
| 21:36 | cait | :) |
| 21:36 | cold and dark here | |
| 21:37 | wizzyrea | @wunder nzwn |
| 21:37 | huginn | wizzyrea: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 13.0°C (10:30 AM NZDT on November 04, 2014). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 72%. Dew Point: 8.0°C. Pressure: 30.04 in 1017 hPa (Rising). |
| 21:41 | cait | looking for a tester for 13183 |
| 21:42 | wizzyrea | bug 13183 |
| 21:42 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=13183 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Needs Signoff , Improve visibility of automatic on-site checkout rule when OnSiteCheckoutsForce is on |
| 21:53 | cait | also bug 13170 |
| 21:53 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=13170 major, P5 - low, ---, frederic, Needs Signoff , Remove of prog theme broke the OPAC's "view plain" option for MARC details |
| 21:56 | rangi | ill test that second one |
| 21:56 | cait | thx! |
| 21:57 | rangi | yeah i dont like it |
| 21:57 | my $xsl = C4::XSLT::_get_best_default_xslt_filename( | |
| 22:03 | dcook | Mmm, the opac password reset would be awesome.. |
| 22:03 | cait | yeah |
| 22:04 | rangi: hm not sure i understand, can you leave a comment? | |
| 22:04 | dcook | Hmm, want to start working again on a OAI harvester, but not sure that the SRU/Z39.50 XSLT imports are far enough long yet.. |
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| 22:09 | rangi | cait: http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]g.cgi?id=13170#c5 |
| 22:09 | huginn | 04Bug 13170: major, P5 - low, ---, frederic, Failed QA , Remove of prog theme broke the OPAC's "view plain" option for MARC details |
| 22:09 | rangi | does that make sense? |
| 22:11 | cait | I am usre it does - thx for the feedback |
| 22:11 | rangi | my @candidates = ( |
| 22:11 | "$htdocs/$theme/$lang/xslt/${base_xslfile}", # exact match | |
| 22:11 | "$htdocs/$theme/en/xslt/${base_xslfile}", # if not, preferred theme in English | |
| 22:11 | "$htdocs/prog/$lang/xslt/${base_xslfile}", # if not, 'prog' theme in preferred language | |
| 22:11 | "$htdocs/prog/en/xslt/${base_xslfile}", # otherwise, prog theme in English; should always | |
| 22:11 | # exist | |
| 22:12 | that works only if you never have a different theme | |
| 22:28 | cait | hm argh, i think we might have made a thinking error |
| 22:29 | we blocked adding doubled up letter codes... but some letter codes are needed to be duplicated for different branches... like HOLD? | |
| 22:31 | wizzyrea | the solution for that might be to append the branchcode to the lettercode/ |
| 22:31 | ? | |
| 22:32 | cait | it still won't work - unless we change the code for all the hardcoded letters |
| 22:32 | koha is looking for a HOLD message | |
| 22:32 | so it won't ever use one with the branchcode | |
| 22:32 | wizzyrea | ah yeah, that is in fact a problem. |
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| 23:06 | oleonard | I'm getting really grumpy about the number of bugs which have been caused by Bug 11703 |
| 23:06 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=11703 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Pushed to Stable , Convert checkouts table to ajax datatable |
| 23:07 | dcook | That's a 3.18 feature? |
| 23:07 | cait | yeah |
| 23:07 | dcook | Hmm :/ |
| 23:07 | * cait | feels guilty for mising so much :( |
| 23:07 | oleonard | And backported to 3.16 |
| 23:07 | cait | :( |
| 23:08 | dcook | Ah, yeah, just saw that |
| 23:08 | We're still on 3.14 so haven't run into it yet, but not really looking forward to it :/ | |
| 23:09 | bag | hmmm we've got loads of people using 3.16 and aren't seeing tons of complaints (just an aside) |
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| 23:09 | oleonard | bag: Bug 12971 is a pretty big deal to us after just one day of 3.16 use :( |
| 23:09 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=12971 critical, P5 - low, ---, kyle, NEW , Printing member information lacks data |
| 23:10 | wizzyrea | that seems like a big one |
| 23:10 | cait | also... waiting holds |
| 23:10 | wizzyrea | and translation problems. |
| 23:10 | cait | and i think someting with the slips |
| 23:10 | oleonard | We all share responsibility... We did a bad job testing it. We were not nearly thorough enough. |
| 23:11 | cait | the problem is fixing it - and think we need to fix before 3.18 is released |
| 23:11 | bag | @later tell khall - have you seen this one -- http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=12971 |
| 23:11 | huginn | bag: The operation succeeded. |
| 23:11 | 04Bug 12971: critical, P5 - low, ---, kyle, NEW , Printing member information lacks data | |
| 23:12 | oleonard | ...and it never should have been backported to 3.16.x |
| 23:12 | /end grump. Good night | |
| 23:12 | bag | this is good info for me - I can get kyle to work on those things |
| 23:12 | cait | i think it shows that we are right to be strict about not backporting features |
| 23:12 | bag | darn right before grumpy left :( :P |
| 23:12 | cait | .. something to keep in mind next time |
| 23:12 | not we need to get this back to working | |
| 23:13 | not=now | |
| 23:13 | wizzyrea | good to learn from the lessons of the past :) |
| 23:18 | bag | @later tell magnuse HI |
| 23:18 | huginn | bag: The operation succeeded. |
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| 23:24 | cait | night :) |
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