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| Time | Nick | Message |
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| 00:26 | mtompset | Have a great day, #koha, eythian, etc. |
| 00:52 | dcook | Hmm, I'm starting to think I'm not getting all the listserv messages.. |
| 00:53 | Ah, or maybe I just marked it as read and I didn't actually read it... hmm. | |
| 01:22 | eythian | there's been talk of some things going a bit slow. |
| 01:23 | but which listserv? | |
| 01:24 | dcook | Mmm koha-devel |
| 01:24 | It was my bad | |
| 01:24 | When I looked back, they were in my read messages | |
| 01:24 | Couldn't remember their contents but they were there | |
| 01:24 | Bad brain day yesterday I guess | |
| 01:42 | francharb: You still around? | |
| 01:42 | Ahh, I see.. | |
| 01:43 | @later tell francharb if you have questions about Zebra, feel free to shoot me an email :). I think I've read every doc and every config file ;). | |
| 01:43 | huginn | dcook: The operation succeeded. |
| 01:44 | dcook | I really should make a Zebra wiki page... or build on the existing ones... |
| 01:44 | * dcook | goes to do something else instead though |
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| 05:30 | paxed | this is just lovely. i've tried everything i can think of, and trying to resort the issues-table datatable just gives me "cannot reinitialize". i guess doing it via IntranetUserJs is just impossible. |
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| 05:32 | Viktor | Good morning #koha :) |
| 05:33 | eythian | paxed: it probably shouldn't be impossible. Is it worth stepping through the code to see why it's saying that? |
| 05:34 | paxed | eythian: it says that because the datatable is not fully loaded when the intranetuserjs get executed, and there doesn't seem to be any reliable way to determine if datatable is finished loading or not |
| 05:35 | dcook | Whoa! It's a paxed! |
| 05:35 | eythian | $(function() { .. do stuff here .. }); |
| 05:35 | that'll make it process once the page has loaded. | |
| 05:36 | paxed | eythian: tha table data is loaded via ajax calls. |
| 05:36 | eythian | ah, I see |
| 05:36 | I dunno then | |
| 05:36 | In that case, it might not be possible without terrible magic. | |
| 05:36 | dcook | I want to say I resorted a datatable a few months ago but I can't remember how.. |
| 05:36 | * dcook | looks through some notes |
| 05:37 | paxed | (also, just clicking on the headers to resort the table removes the "Previous checkouts" -line |
| 05:37 | ) | |
| 05:38 | dcook | Mmm, I cheated and changed the datatable config in the .tt file... |
| 05:38 | paxed: That sounds familiar. Is that in master or an older version? | |
| 05:40 | paxed | dcook: dunno, i don't have access to the server atm. kivilahtio would know, when he drags himself to work. |
| 05:40 | dcook | I'm surprised to see you here actually. I thought you were done working on Koha? |
| 05:43 | paxed | getting paid helps salve my wounds. |
| 05:51 | cait | paxed: i thik there is a patch ready to be tested for a sorting issue in checkouts |
| 05:51 | not sure it's the thing you wnat to change, but maybe a start? | |
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| 05:52 | cait | bug 12899 |
| 05:52 | wahanui | bug 12899 is, like, ready for another look |
| 05:52 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=12899 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Needs Signoff , Row grouping in checkouts table is alphabetical and layout depends on words chosen in translation |
| 05:52 | eythian | hi there cait |
| 05:52 | cait | if someone signed it off (hopefully it works) i can do qa later |
| 05:52 | hi eythian :) | |
| 05:54 | how are things? | |
| 05:56 | eythian | pretty good. Nothing too exciting to report :) |
| 05:56 | cait | :) |
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| 06:29 | ashimema | morning |
| 06:29 | cait | morning :) |
| 06:31 | @wunder Konstanz | |
| 06:31 | huginn | cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 13.9°C (8:30 AM CEST on September 16, 2014). Conditions: Fog. Humidity: 96%. Dew Point: 13.0°C. Pressure: 30.04 in 1017 hPa (Rising). |
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| 06:38 | reiveune | hello |
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| 06:57 | alex_a | bonjour |
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| 07:11 | cait | good morning #koha |
| 07:12 | dcook | yo cait |
| 07:12 | * dcook | wonders sometimes how he misses lots of other people's entry into the channel but rarely cait's :p |
| 07:12 | dcook | I suppose it's because I shouldn't be at work anymore :p |
| 07:14 | cait | go home dcook! :) |
| 07:14 | dcook | hehe |
| 07:15 | cait | or help me with IE? |
| 07:15 | i am looking for a way to deactivate links with CSS | |
| 07:15 | i got it working with Firefox, but IE is being mean | |
| 07:15 | dcook | deactivate links with CSS? |
| 07:15 | cait | cursor: text; pointer-events: none; seems to work ok for Firefox |
| 07:16 | and their example works in IE too... but my koha one only works in firefox... gr. | |
| 07:17 | dcook | Tricky! |
| 07:20 | sophie_m | exit |
| 07:22 | dcook | Never! |
| 07:22 | paxed | IE 11 supports pointer-events. |
| 07:22 | at least according to http://caniuse.com/#feat=pointer-events | |
| 07:22 | cait | paxed: i think ti should work and their example does too - but what i got in Koha only works in Firefox |
| 07:23 | it's ... grr | |
| 07:26 | hm i think i will look into a jquery solution for ie | |
| 07:26 | dcook | Yeah, it's interesting |
| 07:27 | The example does work in IE 11 | |
| 07:27 | But not in Koha | |
| 07:33 | cait | this seems to work: $('.results_summary a, .author a').bind('click', false); |
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| 07:34 | * dcook | thumbs up |
| 07:35 | dcook | That will be more reliable than the CSS as well |
| 07:35 | cait | i think both approaches together will hopefully work :) |
| 07:36 | dcook | "D |
| 07:36 | :D* | |
| 07:36 | It looks like I'm trying to eat a snowflake... | |
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| 08:04 | cait | heh |
| 08:04 | dcook: go home! | |
| 08:04 | dcook | I just finished my taxes :) |
| 08:04 | I should probably go home... | |
| 08:07 | * cait | glares a bit at dcook |
| 08:07 | cait | go now :) |
| 08:07 | ok, i can't really stay serious | |
| 08:07 | dcook | hehe |
| 08:07 | But you're German! | |
| 08:07 | I suppose you're renowned for your laughter too though :p | |
| 08:07 | Germans that is | |
| 08:07 | Maybe you too. I don't know. | |
| 08:08 | * dcook | thinks he might be renowned for talking a lot and being overly comprehensive. |
| 08:08 | dcook | And staying late :p |
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| 08:50 | Viktor | Opac has "My tags", but what about "My comments" and "My star ratings" ? |
| 08:50 | cait | Viktor: currently pages for those don't exist |
| 08:50 | but I think it woudl be nice to have | |
| 08:51 | Viktor | cait: then at least I didn't fail in finding them in admin :) |
| 08:51 | cait | nope :) |
| 08:52 | Viktor | cait: I think they would be good too. I had a visit by 7 librarians who are interested in Koha and they asked how you review your other metadata beside tags. |
| 08:52 | I'll file threads on bugzilla. | |
| 08:52 | cait | thx :) |
| 08:56 | Viktor | Duplication engine found bug 2075 for comments :) |
| 08:56 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=2075 enhancement, P3, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Create a page to show and manage the user's comments |
| 08:57 | Viktor | I filed bug12926 for star ratings. |
| 08:58 | I do however think we might (might) want to merge these three pages into a single one with three tabs. It's quite a lot of navigation options already. | |
| 08:59 | Or we could group navigation in the left nav on the account page. | |
| 08:59 | cait | i like that idea |
| 08:59 | i just can#t think up a tab name right now | |
| 09:18 | dcook: i hope you are gone! ;) | |
| 09:22 | Viktor | cait: Yep. "My metadata" don't give normal people any clue whatsoever. |
| 09:24 | cait: "Tags, stars and comments" is actually shorter than "your purchase suggestions" so it would fit I that initial "you/your" could be dropped from the tabs. | |
| 09:32 | cait | viktor_away: might need to have different tab names, depending on which features are active :) |
| 09:33 | Joubu++ thx for qa | |
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| 10:01 | cait | hm does someone know if we can search on the not-for-loan value? |
| 10:01 | it seems to be indexed, but I don't seem able to actually search for it | |
| 10:01 | 301 melm 952$7 notforloan:n,notforloan:w | |
| 10:04 | ok... it was me :) | |
| 10:04 | typoed | |
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| 11:34 | cait | hi ashimema |
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| 11:47 | oleonard | So did someone really do this? http://kohadevreactions.tumblr[…]ime-to-update-the |
| 11:50 | cait | no idea |
| 11:52 | oleonard | I always assume that the Koha Dev Reactions posts are based on a conversation I missed. |
| 11:52 | cait | i think probably it's a mix |
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| 11:54 | oleonard | ...and hi cait and everyone :) |
| 11:55 | ashimema | lol |
| 12:02 | cait | hi oleonard |
| 12:21 | * oleonard | just now notices the giant-ass back/forward/reload buttons in the latest Firefox's context menu |
| 12:27 | cait | oleonard: can't wait |
| 12:27 | hi druthb :) | |
| 12:28 | bag: around? | |
| 12:30 | druthb | hi, cait. :) |
| 12:31 | cait++ #Tuesday, of course. | |
| 12:32 | cait | *rolleyes* |
| 12:32 | :) | |
| 12:32 | druthb | :P |
| 12:33 | jcamins++ #COOKIES. | |
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| 12:36 | oleonard | /join #COOKIES |
| 12:37 | Wow #COOKIES is just everyone shouting about cookies. | |
| 12:37 | druthb | "just", he says. |
| 12:38 | tcohen | morning |
| 12:38 | druthb | Sometimes, cookies are the finest thing to shout about! |
| 12:39 | oleonard | I like Bootstrap 3's finer-grained control over breakpoint behavior, but it comes at the expense of verbosity: 'class="col-sm-6 col-sm-offset-3 col-md-6 col-md-offset-3"' |
| 12:40 | cait | oleonard: i noticed soem breakpoints don't work well with german - our texts are just too long |
| 12:40 | werid language. | |
| 12:41 | maybe there are tricks we could use to be more flexible there, i am not sure | |
| 12:42 | oleonard | cait: If you send me examples I can investigate |
| 12:42 | cait | one example is the tab text in the patron account - it starts running outside the tab before it breaks and the tabs move to a top navigation (nice effect :) ) |
| 12:49 | oleonard | Biblibre having problems with the mailing list server? paul_p? Joubu? |
| 12:49 | http://www.downforeveryoneorju[…]/mailman/listinfo | |
| 12:49 | paul_p | oleonard mmm... no problem I'm aware of... |
| 12:50 | asking our sysop | |
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| 13:00 | tcohen | @seen bag |
| 13:00 | huginn | tcohen: bag was last seen in #koha 20 hours, 46 minutes, and 52 seconds ago: <bag> yup |
| 13:00 | tcohen | morning cait |
| 13:01 | cait | morning tcohen :) |
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| 13:04 | mtompset | Greetings, #koha |
| 13:05 | @later tell gmcharlt How would I suggest a patch for MARC::Field and MARC::Charset? | |
| 13:05 | huginn | mtompset: The operation succeeded. |
| 13:10 | tcohen | mtompset: git send-email --to galen? |
| 13:11 | mtompset | Is there a repo from which to clone it? |
| 13:11 | tcohen | lemme check |
| 13:11 | git://git.code.sf.net/p/marcpm/code | |
| 13:16 | mtompset: did you succeed cloning? | |
| 13:17 | mtompset | Yes. Thank you, tcohen. |
| 13:17 | tcohen++ # thanks for the repo link. | |
| 13:19 | So, how does this git send-email thing work? | |
| 13:20 | oleonard | Kids these days are spoiled by git-bz ;) |
| 13:20 | mtompset | I think I got it. And yes, git bz is awesome. |
| 13:20 | oleonard | http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]rest_of_the_world |
| 13:22 | mtompset | We have email success... next... |
| 13:31 | cait | oh oleonard - how do i change the meeting line in the channel? |
| 13:31 | oleonard | The topic? " /topic New topic here" |
| 13:32 | cait | hmm i will try |
| 13:33 | Topic for #koha is now Next Dev Meeting is 16 August, 15 + 22 UTC | |
| 13:33 | cait | hm |
| 13:33 | now i killed all the other things... | |
| 13:34 | Next dev meeting is 16 September 2014 at 15:00 and 22:00 UTC. Welcome to the IRC home of Koha http://koha-community.org. Please use http://paste.koha-community.org for pastes. | |
| 13:34 | Topic for #koha is now Next dev meeting is 16 September 2014 at 15:00 and 22:00 UTC. Welcome to the IRC home of Koha http://koha-community.org. Please use http://paste.koha-community.org for pastes. | |
| 13:34 | cait | ok :) |
| 13:34 | druthb | cait++ |
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| 13:35 | cait | would someone volunteer to send a meeting reminder to the list maybe? |
| 13:35 | NateC joined #koha | |
| 13:36 | oleonard | Sure cait I will |
| 13:36 | cait | thx :) |
| 13:47 | mtompset | Has it started? |
| 13:47 | cait | no, in 1:13 |
| 13:48 | oleonard | mtompset: The channel's topic would indicate that there was a meeting going on |
| 13:48 | mtompset | oleonard: I haven't finished my morning liquid sleep yet. |
| 13:48 | tcohen | @later tell wizzyrea I've added the conference banner to the site, and also a 'Venue' section with the maps, feel free to review what I did |
| 13:48 | huginn | tcohen: The operation succeeded. |
| 13:48 | mtompset | (otherwise known as caffeine) |
| 13:49 | tcohen | @later tell wizzyrea we might promote the banner to the front page too |
| 13:49 | huginn | tcohen: The operation succeeded. |
| 13:49 | cait | oleonard++ and tcohen++ :) |
| 13:50 | mtompset | tcohen: Your unnecessary diags passed QA (bug 12879) ;) |
| 13:50 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=12879 trivial, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Passed QA , Remove unnecesary diags from Holds.t |
| 13:50 | tcohen | :-D |
| 13:51 | mtompset | Of course, that's what triggered my question to gmcharlt about those libraries. |
| 13:51 | Because the C4::Charset messages bugged me. | |
| 13:51 | tcohen | they bug everyone |
| 13:52 | mtompset | so, I fixed them... but that triggered those messages in those libraries. |
| 13:52 | tcohen | mtompset: do u think i should have named the bug: 'poor diag usage'? lol |
| 13:53 | mtompset | No, because to be honest, I'd put them in when initially writing the test. :) |
| 13:56 | tcohen | lol |
| 13:59 | Joubu | tcohen: could you have a look at bug 12859 comment 10 please? |
| 13:59 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=12859 major, P5 - low, ---, abl, Signed Off , Patron import tool doesn't import extened attributes values any longer |
| 14:00 | tcohen | yes |
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| 14:00 | Joubu | tcohen: b4158f2d2485c9e57bd7f14362b210732bef9d35 removes too much lines :) |
| 14:01 | oleonard | I wonder why the web installer doesn't show you an error message if you try to log in with the wrong username/password |
| 14:02 | tcohen | oleonard: does it show you the 'go to previous page / not enough permission' dialog? |
| 14:02 | Joubu: i'm aware of the mistake | |
| 14:02 | just didn't have the time to take on it | |
| 14:02 | oleonard | tcohen: It doesn't show any error at all |
| 14:02 | Joubu | tcohen: ok, will create another bug report |
| 14:03 | tcohen | no problem |
| 14:03 | cait | oleonard: are you prettying the web installer? :) |
| 14:04 | oleonard | cait: I'm using it for a Bootstrap 3 test drive |
| 14:04 | cait | cool :) |
| 14:05 | oleonard | Also I got sick of that bright green version of the Koha logo |
| 14:05 | * ashimema | is liking bootstrap 3 |
| 14:05 | ashimema | my app looks shiny with barely any work at all |
| 14:05 | * ashimema | like AngularJS even better... app works shiny ;) |
| 14:05 | oleonard | Ooh look who just volunteered to help update the staff client templates to Bootstrap 3! |
| 14:06 | ashimema | Yikes.. big scary job. |
| 14:06 | cait | lol |
| 14:06 | ashimema | I can QA them ;) |
| 14:06 | that's helping.. right... | |
| 14:06 | cait | heh it is |
| 14:07 | * ashimema | think oleonard has done an awesome job on keeping koha looking nice so far.. |
| 14:07 | ashimema | oleonard++ |
| 14:08 | mtompset | Joubu: Every diag in the test file for bug 10895? |
| 14:08 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10895 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, mtompset, Failed QA , Tests for C4::Items GetHiddenItems |
| 14:08 | oleonard | Thanks ashimema |
| 14:08 | indradg | oleonard++ |
| 14:09 | ashimema | also.. it's one thing starting out using bootstrap.. it's way harder converting somtihng else to using it I've found.. so double up on the awesomeness points to oleonard.. the opac move went down very well indeed. |
| 14:12 | cait | but it could be good also in promoting more TT plugins and usage i guess |
| 14:12 | hard... but also a chance for improvements | |
| 14:12 | and fix some of the ugly 'build a sentence with if-else-structures' translation issues:) | |
| 14:12 | * ashimema | has finsihed creeping for one day |
| 14:13 | cait | scope creeping? |
| 14:13 | i guess you are right | |
| 14:13 | Joubu | mtompset: I think diag should only be used when something wrong happens |
| 14:13 | mtompset | okay. |
| 14:13 | ashimema | I meant I'd finished telling oleonard how awesome he is for today.. cait |
| 14:14 | Joubu | mtompset: http://perldoc.perl.org/Test/M[…].html#Diagnostics |
| 14:14 | ashimema | I agree that using a shift to bootstrap to also encourage tt plugin usage would be cool |
| 14:14 | oleonard | Someone better fail QA on a patch of mine to keep it from going to my head |
| 14:14 | Joubu | the example is : ok(1, 0 "desc) or diag("foo") |
| 14:16 | cait | oleonard: you'd have to write a bad patch first :) |
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| 14:19 | mtompset | Joubu: needs sign off or qa follow up and leave it signed off? |
| 14:20 | Joubu | yep, you can switch to signoff directly |
| 14:23 | mtompset | Okay, I tweaked the messages so you would know which case was tested, rather than leave diags. |
| 14:32 | oleonard | I would think we would have planned for the possibility that someone would start the web installer but not have the correct database created |
| 14:32 | I get a Perl error message instead | |
| 14:32 | Unknown database 'koha' at /home/oleonard/kohaclone/C4/Context.pm line 802. | |
| 14:33 | ashimema | Yeah.. I've seen that a few times.. |
| 14:33 | oleonard | Seems like the database checks in step 2 are misplaced |
| 14:33 | ashimema | but never gotten around to fixing it :( |
| 14:34 | oleonard | I wonder if the db check causing the error should simply be skipped if the installer is going to check it in step 2? |
| 14:36 | cait | have to run, will be back for the meeting :) |
| 14:36 | ashimema | feels that way.. |
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| 14:37 | tcohen | does this look oj? http://snag.gy/VGXXj.jpg |
| 14:38 | * oleonard | staying-home frowny-face |
| 14:38 | ashimema | damn.. did my boss forget to sponsor this year ! |
| 14:38 | looks good though tcohen. | |
| 14:38 | also frowny-face from me.. :( | |
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| 14:39 | tcohen | :/ |
| 14:39 | we'll miss you guys | |
| 14:43 | @later tell wizzyrea i've uploaded a posibly front-page banner, beware of my poor design capabilities, have the source anyway if fix is needed | |
| 14:43 | huginn | tcohen: The operation succeeded. |
| 14:45 | ashimema | tcohen.. whats the attendance looking like for this years con? |
| 14:45 | lots of peeps signed up as usual (ignoring the indians that always sign up.. but never turn up ;) | |
| 14:51 | mtompset | You mean okay, right, tcohen? |
| 14:52 | Because that's a nice banner. | |
| 14:52 | tcohen | mtompset: that's correct |
| 14:52 | oleonard | It doesn't seem like it's possible to test the database error handling in the web installer template. Can't get past the log in form with a user who has insufficient privileges. |
| 14:52 | tcohen | ashimema: we have 135 atendees registered |
| 14:53 | indradg | flight's too long and too expensive :P |
| 14:57 | mtompset | tcohen: who is CINECA? |
| 14:57 | and orex? | |
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| 14:59 | cait | back :) |
| 15:01 | ashimema | looking good then tcohen. |
| 15:01 | tcohen | mtompset: google? |
| 15:01 | wahanui | google is, like, not a web browser, it's an advertising company with a pretty good search engine |
| 15:02 | mtompset | orex is a mining company? Why would they sponsor kohacon? |
| 15:02 | And I can't seem to narrow CINECA meaningfully. Perhaps my queries are poor. | |
| 15:02 | cait | ok, everyone ready? |
| 15:03 | mtompset | Excuse me. I'll have to catch the later one. |
| 15:03 | thd | Mining for books is important! |
| 15:03 | Joubu | mtompset: http://www.orex.es/ |
| 15:03 | tcohen | mtompset: http://www.orex.es/ <- Koha vendor |
| 15:03 | cait | #startmeeting Koha Dev Meeting, September 16, part 1 |
| 15:03 | huginn | Meeting started Tue Sep 16 15:03:21 2014 UTC. The chair is cait. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. |
| 15:03 | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | |
| 15:03 | Topic for #koha is now (Meeting topic: Koha Dev Meeting, September 16, part 1) | |
| 15:03 | huginn | The meeting name has been set to 'koha_dev_meeting__september_16__part_1' |
| 15:03 | tcohen | thd: heh |
| 15:03 | cait | #topic Introductions |
| 15:03 | wahanui | #info wahanui, a bot that has become sentient |
| 15:03 | Topic for #koha is now Introductions (Meeting topic: Koha Dev Meeting, September 16, part 1) | |
| 15:03 | cait | please introduce yourself with #info |
| 15:03 | gmcharlt | #info Galen Charlton |
| 15:03 | tcohen | #info Tomas Cohen Arazi, Universidad Nacional de Cordoba |
| 15:03 | khall | #info Kyle M Hall, ByWater Solutions |
| 15:03 | cait | #info Katrin Fischer, BSZ |
| 15:03 | Joubu | #info Jonathan Druart, BibLibre |
| 15:04 | thd | #info Thomas Dukleth, Agogme, New York City |
| 15:04 | cait | #link http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]16_September_2014 |
| 15:04 | indradg | #info Indranil Das Gupta, Kolkata |
| 15:04 | cait | ok, moving on :) |
| 15:04 | tcohen | +1 |
| 15:05 | cait | #topic RM 3.18 comments |
| 15:05 | Topic for #koha is now RM 3.18 comments (Meeting topic: Koha Dev Meeting, September 16, part 1) | |
| 15:05 | * cait | hands the keyboard to tcohen |
| 15:05 | ashimema | #info Martin Renvoize, PTFS Europe |
| 15:05 | tcohen | #info I've been busy with several kohacon14 stuff that needs to be ready this week |
| 15:05 | barton_phone | #info Barton Chittenden, Bywater Solutions, Louisville, KY, USA |
| 15:05 | tcohen | so, not many updates |
| 15:05 | ColinC | #info Colin Campbell PTFS Europe |
| 15:05 | cait | tcohen++ bgkriegel++ and unc++ :) |
| 15:06 | tcohen | i'll try to push several patches in my queue today/tomorrow |
| 15:06 | that are needed for the stable branches | |
| 15:06 | (3.16 mostly) | |
| 15:06 | oleonard | #info Owen Leonard, Athens County Public Libraries |
| 15:06 | tcohen | also, i expected more feedback on the zebra facets work |
| 15:07 | but, we might work on that during the hackfest | |
| 15:07 | * tcohen | will miss gmcharlt and jcamins at the hackfest |
| 15:07 | * cait | agrees |
| 15:07 | cait | and oleonard |
| 15:07 | wahanui | oleonard is still here, if you just wish hard enough. or Koha's master UI designer |
| 15:08 | tcohen | and kyle, and everyone, damn |
| 15:08 | cait | and ashimema |
| 15:08 | wahanui | ashimema is on qa now .) |
| 15:08 | cait | we need to stop :) |
| 15:08 | we have been talking about virtual participation | |
| 15:08 | for the hackfest and maybe the conf? | |
| 15:08 | ashimema | I'll be there in spirit.. and online when the timezones match up |
| 15:08 | tcohen | #info tcohen will push several bugfixes that are needed for the stable branches this week |
| 15:08 | ashimema | virtual participation++ |
| 15:08 | gmcharlt | tcohen++ # I'll be doing 3.16.x pushes this week |
| 15:09 | cait | #info zebra facets need feedback |
| 15:09 | tcohen | #info we are arranging things so zeno and galen can bring us their presentations live |
| 15:09 | khall | my time zone isn't far off so I can probably participate. I'm an early riser though, so I don't know how much of our time windows will ine up |
| 15:10 | cait | i'd be great to see work on some of the bigger things during hackfest and clean up the qa queue some |
| 15:10 | tcohen: moving on? | |
| 15:10 | tcohen | yes |
| 15:10 | cait | #topic General technical discussion |
| 15:10 | Topic for #koha is now General technical discussion (Meeting topic: Koha Dev Meeting, September 16, part 1) | |
| 15:11 | cait | the first one is DBIC again - there has been a lot of discussion on he mailing list already |
| 15:11 | hm, the link won't open for me currently | |
| 15:11 | #info link to the mailing list thread for DBIC is on today's agenda in the wiki | |
| 15:12 | tcohen | i think that discussion needs more voices, still |
| 15:12 | and hasn't ended | |
| 15:12 | Joubu | (lists.k-c.org is down for the moment) |
| 15:12 | tcohen | so no action on the irc |
| 15:12 | cait | yep |
| 15:12 | tcohen | is needed |
| 15:12 | khall | how about an informal vote? |
| 15:12 | Enhance DBIC vs Encapsulate DBIC | |
| 15:13 | cait | there is also a bug currently, which is kinda blocked by this discussion |
| 15:13 | bug 12892 | |
| 15:13 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=12892 major, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Signed Off , Holds Waiting: not showing from check out screen |
| 15:13 | Joubu | and at least 4 enh... |
| 15:13 | cait | Joubu: true |
| 15:14 | the holds waiting is a problem in stable, so i'd like to see that moving forward | |
| 15:14 | if you don't see that there are holds waiting for the patron at the circ desk... that's kind of a bad thing | |
| 15:15 | Joubu | The question is: Are all dev expressed on this topic? |
| 15:15 | (and I hope the answer is "no") | |
| 15:15 | reiveune | bye |
| 15:15 | reiveune left #koha | |
| 15:15 | gmcharlt | Joubu: re DBIC? no, I want to weigh in as well |
| 15:15 | cait | #info please voice your opinion on the mailing list, more comments needed |
| 15:15 | khall | Well, the mailing list thread seems to have lost a lot of steam |
| 15:16 | gmcharlt: can you weigh in right now? | |
| 15:16 | gmcharlt | no, I think I prefer to revive the ML thread |
| 15:16 | cait | maybe we could see how this develops until the next general meeting? |
| 15:16 | khall | sounds good |
| 15:16 | cait | it's not too far away |
| 15:17 | next subtopic? | |
| 15:17 | Joubu | vat rewrite is stuck until something will be decided. |
| 15:17 | cait | ah |
| 15:17 | khall | bug 12892 is a perfect example of how I propose to use DBIC. So that's a good place to look if you are trying to understand my position. |
| 15:18 | cait | #info bug 12892 is an example for Kyle's position on how to use DBIC |
| 15:18 | yeah we can't leave this for long | |
| 15:18 | when is the next meeting? | |
| 15:19 | indradg | 24th? |
| 15:19 | cait | yep next wednesday |
| 15:19 | gmcharlt: is that ok for you to respond before then? | |
| 15:19 | gmcharlt | yes |
| 15:19 | clarification on next meeting - are we taking dev meeting or general? | |
| 15:19 | cait | ah |
| 15:19 | i thought we could maybe use part of the general one, but not sure | |
| 15:20 | tcohen: what do you think? | |
| 15:20 | wahanui | somebody said do you think was something the QA team should take a look when someone adds unit tests? |
| 15:20 | cait | forget do you think |
| 15:20 | wahanui | cait: I forgot do you think |
| 15:20 | tcohen | dev meeting topic, definitely |
| 15:21 | we might as well have a dedicated dev-meeting for that subject if needed | |
| 15:21 | cait | tcohen: 2 meetings in a week? next tuesday? |
| 15:21 | only dbic? | |
| 15:21 | tcohen | nope |
| 15:21 | only one, about that | |
| 15:22 | cait | we already got a general one scheduled |
| 15:22 | Joubu | we really need a general point of view. All developers should be involved in this discussion. |
| 15:23 | ashimema | sorry.. I'm not inputting much this meeting.. got two others going on at the same time :S |
| 15:23 | Joubu | It's an important choice, we need more ideas |
| 15:23 | cait | tcohen: can you schedule the dev meeting for next week? |
| 15:23 | for dbic? | |
| 15:24 | tcohen | yes |
| 15:24 | cait | #action tcohen to schedule DBIC dev meeting for next week |
| 15:24 | ok, the next has been on the list for possible dev meeting topics for a while | |
| 15:24 | there are some patches, that are kind fo stuck in discussion for a question we couldn't resolve so far: | |
| 15:25 | for pages with different views for all branches and single branches.. which should show when you go to that page? | |
| 15:25 | i have linked 2 examples on the agenda | |
| 15:26 | default to all branches or default to the logged in branch | |
| 15:26 | single library vs. consortia. ... | |
| 15:26 | khall | many librarians want their logged in branch to be the default, due to accidentally editing the all branches rules |
| 15:26 | cait | i have no clear preference |
| 15:27 | tcohen | me neither |
| 15:27 | cait | i am nost sure, what would be a good place to leave comments? the agenda page maybe? |
| 15:27 | khall | and of course consortia would like to limit it to the branch rules only for non-superlibrarians |
| 15:28 | tcohen | if we have a syspref controlling that behaviour (default selection) i'd agree |
| 15:28 | oleonard | I think that where it is possible to set a default rule or setting that option should be displayed rather than the logged-in library. |
| 15:29 | cait | #info which view should be displayed: default rules or logged in library rules? |
| 15:29 | #info idea 1: display logged in library to prevent accidentally editing the default rules | |
| 15:29 | oleonard | It sounds like we need permissions settings for editing default rules |
| 15:29 | cait | #info idea 2: display the default rules, if there are default rules |
| 15:30 | khall | oleonard: yes, I've been writing an RFC to improve our permissions system |
| 15:31 | cait | i just wanted to bring this to attnetion again, hoping we can resolve it - should we continue this on the ml? |
| 15:31 | leave it for now? | |
| 15:32 | indradg | +1 for ml |
| 15:32 | cait | who takes it there? |
| 15:32 | khall | this should definitely be discussed on the general mailing list if it's going to ml |
| 15:34 | cait | no volunteer? |
| 15:34 | ok, moving on for now | |
| 15:34 | the next is a bit similar, there are several bugs about improving independent branches and make it more granular | |
| 15:34 | khall | I will volunteer |
| 15:34 | cait | #action khall will take the branch/default question to the general ml |
| 15:35 | khall: what's the state of this? i think there are also still patches for the branch groups? | |
| 15:35 | khall | cait: I'm ready to abandon the branch groups at this point. |
| 15:36 | Instead of patching what we've already got, it may be time to re-think how we operate for large Koha systems with many libraries | |
| 15:36 | ashimema | khall++ on that |
| 15:36 | cait | oh ok |
| 15:37 | khall: maybe leave a note on the bugs when you are sure? | |
| 15:37 | khall | cait: will do! |
| 15:37 | cait | #action khall will add a status update to the indy branch groups bugs |
| 15:37 | ok | |
| 15:37 | ready for coding guidelines? | |
| 15:37 | #topic Additions to coding guidelines | |
| 15:37 | Topic for #koha is now Additions to coding guidelines (Meeting topic: Koha Dev Meeting, September 16, part 1) | |
| 15:37 | oleonard | Quick question? |
| 15:37 | cait | yep |
| 15:38 | oleonard | Is Perl 5.10 still Koha's minimum requirement? |
| 15:38 | gmcharlt | at present |
| 15:38 | wahanui | at present is not persuaded to support such a move |
| 15:38 | gmcharlt | wahanui: forget at present |
| 15:38 | wahanui | gmcharlt: I forgot at present |
| 15:38 | oleonard | Okay thanks gmcharlt |
| 15:38 | tcohen | oleonard: yes, whatever squeeze ships |
| 15:38 | cait | #info Perl 5.10 is still Koha's minimum requirement |
| 15:38 | tcohen | maybe we could drop support for 3.18... |
| 15:38 | * tcohen | starts a flame war |
| 15:39 | gmcharlt | BURN... |
| 15:39 | :) | |
| 15:39 | cait | #info Perl version dependent on what squeeze ships |
| 15:39 | gmcharlt | more seriously, 3.20 might be an opportunity to revisit |
| 15:39 | tcohen | squeeze is an LTS Debian release, and we are supporting it |
| 15:40 | cait | what ships with squeeze, 5.10? |
| 15:40 | gmcharlt | yes |
| 15:41 | cait | do we need an action item here? |
| 15:41 | gmcharlt | I don't think so |
| 15:41 | cait | ok, moving on? |
| 15:41 | tcohen | yes |
| 15:41 | cait | i think those were discussed last meeting |
| 15:41 | but not yet added to the guidelines page | |
| 15:42 | the first is a guideline about tt plugin use | |
| 15:42 | tcohen | i'll add the HTML7 rule |
| 15:42 | barton | squeeze is in support until 2016-02-06 |
| 15:42 | cait | ok :) |
| 15:42 | tcohen: should we amend for using other TT plugins? | |
| 15:42 | Joubu suggested that on the Trello | |
| 15:42 | thd | What is the consensus on -c as opposed to --confirm? |
| 15:43 | tcohen | we agreed on this one |
| 15:43 | will add it, and new specific ammendments can be discussed | |
| 15:43 | cait | tcohen: makes sense |
| 15:44 | tcohen: so next cli? | |
| 15:44 | rkaranj joined #koha | |
| 15:44 | tcohen | yes |
| 15:44 | oleonard | So there is no question here, just announcing the change? |
| 15:44 | cait | oleonard: i think there was a vote already last meeting. tcohen? |
| 15:45 | ashimema | yup |
| 15:45 | cait | i wasn't there, so will rely on those who have been :) |
| 15:45 | ashimema | it was all minuted ;) |
| 15:45 | tcohen | Pod::Usage, GetOpt::Long, pod2usage, POD at end of file and --confirm |
| 15:45 | thd | I would like to amend -c to both -c and --confirm preferred but when really not practical for some good reason then provide --confirm. |
| 15:45 | cait | #action tcohen to ad HTML7 guideline about tt plugins to wiki |
| 15:46 | i think we have some items we can easily agree on | |
| 15:46 | like pod and getopt? | |
| 15:46 | tcohen | we agreed already |
| 15:46 | cait | not sure about the second part of the meeting |
| 15:46 | i think dryrun and -c seemed a bit difficult | |
| 15:46 | tcohen | ah, you're right |
| 15:47 | pod* & Getopt::Long | |
| 15:47 | cait | i think --confirm sounds ok, but we already use -c in some scripts |
| 15:47 | tcohen | are the onces we reached consensus on |
| 15:47 | eythian volunteered to post an email | |
| 15:47 | thd | dry run -t should be added. |
| 15:48 | I suggest that -c is ok but -c and --confirm is better. | |
| 15:48 | tcohen | thd: comment on robin's thread |
| 15:48 | cait | ah |
| 15:48 | so we will volunteer eythian again? | |
| 15:49 | tcohen | has he sent that email? |
| 15:49 | cait | i haven't seen one |
| 15:49 | tcohen | @later tell eythian remember to start the thread about CLI guidelines (--dryrun, etc) |
| 15:49 | huginn | tcohen: The operation succeeded. |
| 15:49 | cait | #info CLI guidelines, especially dryrun and -c to go to the ml |
| 15:49 | can we move big stuff and bugs into one? | |
| 15:50 | tcohen | no |
| 15:50 | thd | tcohen: Which thread do you mean in koha-devel list? |
| 15:50 | tcohen | thd: the one robin will start |
| 15:50 | thd | :) |
| 15:50 | cait | #topic Bugs |
| 15:50 | Topic for #koha is now Bugs (Meeting topic: Koha Dev Meeting, September 16, part 1) | |
| 15:50 | tcohen | we also agreed on a coding guideline for database tables/columns name |
| 15:50 | cait | tcohen: ah sorry, missed that on the agenda |
| 15:50 | tcohen | np |
| 15:52 | can anyone volunteer to write the DBIC naming convention down on the wiki? | |
| 15:52 | barton | I'll do that, with khall's help. |
| 15:52 | tcohen | barton++ |
| 15:52 | khall | Yep, I'm in for that |
| 15:54 | cait | #action barton will write up coding guideline for database table/column names with khall |
| 15:54 | bugs? :) | |
| 15:54 | Joubu | bugs ? |
| 15:54 | wahanui | rumour has it bugs is found at http://bugs.koha-community.org. Please fix any bugs you find. :) or reporting them is helpful, too |
| 15:55 | cait | the topic bugs :) |
| 15:55 | does someone haas something to say about bugs? heh | |
| 15:55 | Joubu | ha, yes |
| 15:55 | I have something for bug 10860, I asked to the ML: I didn't know which term to use | |
| 15:55 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10860 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , In-House Use |
| 15:56 | Joubu | I had 3 terms, now twice as much :) |
| 15:56 | in-house use, on-site, in-library, intra-library, reading room, on-site use, reading use only, etc. | |
| 15:56 | cait | ok, so we made it worse heh |
| 15:56 | Joubu | maybe should I add a pref for that ;) |
| 15:56 | cait | Joubu: and we will also have to translate every variation then? :) |
| 15:56 | khall | make'm change it with javascript |
| 15:57 | Joubu | the ft needs QA, but stuck until I sed all occurrences |
| 15:57 | cait | is there any term in the lead right now? |
| 15:57 | oleonard | We just need to pick one which is okay and let custom translations sort the rest out. |
| 15:57 | khall | I suppose we won't ever please everyone no matter what term is chosen |
| 15:57 | cait | true |
| 15:57 | but custom translations... i will take the jquery solution over that *shudders* | |
| 15:58 | gmcharlt: can we draw from how other ils call it? | |
| 15:58 | tcohen | custom translations should be handled with .po files I guess |
| 15:58 | Joubu | cait: I searched 2 years ago, when I started the development. And I found "in-house use". The one I used |
| 15:58 | gmcharlt | cait: yes; "reading room" is closest |
| 15:59 | cait | in gemran we have a direct translation of reading room for that |
| 15:59 | lesesaalausleihe | |
| 15:59 | jcamins | I don't see any problem with custom translations. We are talking about how many libraries, and how many of those are going to actually care? |
| 15:59 | cait | reading room checkout |
| 15:59 | jcamins | A syspref I do see problems with, though. |
| 15:59 | laurence left #koha | |
| 16:00 | Joubu | jcamins: It was a joke :) |
| 16:00 | cait | ok, what can we do to resolve this finally? |
| 16:00 | :) suggestions? | |
| 16:00 | * jcamins | laughs belatedly. |
| 16:00 | khall | so if a library doesn't like the chosen term, there are two ways they can change it. I say pick one and run with it. |
| 16:01 | Joubu | So I pick "in-house use" |
| 16:01 | and I don't modify the patches | |
| 16:01 | oleonard | +1 |
| 16:01 | khall | +1 |
| 16:01 | thd | +1 |
| 16:02 | cait | 0 |
| 16:02 | i can translate it :) | |
| 16:02 | tcohen | +1 |
| 16:02 | Joubu | great, good news :) |
| 16:02 | cait | it's good as long as we have a specific name - not mixing it up with local use |
| 16:03 | gmcharlt | -1 |
| 16:03 | cait | can we move to the last? |
| 16:03 | ah | |
| 16:03 | ColinC | -1 |
| 16:03 | oleonard | Anyone else? |
| 16:04 | cait | ashimema? |
| 16:04 | wahanui | ashimema is on qa now .) |
| 16:04 | cait | jcamins? |
| 16:04 | wahanui | it has been said that jcamins is a spoilsport |
| 16:04 | thd | cait: Would you explain the specific name problem? |
| 16:04 | jcamins | Lemme grep for "in-house use." |
| 16:05 | cait | thd: just that a specific feature should have a specific name - we have a local use feature that does different things, having different names also makes it easier to translate it better |
| 16:05 | i hope that makes sense | |
| 16:05 | gmcharlt | Joubu: how is it called in French? |
| 16:06 | Joubu | "Consulation sur place" |
| 16:06 | thd | Yes, I agree that the name should be context specific. |
| 16:06 | I change my vote -1 | |
| 16:06 | Joubu | oops, typo :-/ |
| 16:06 | ColinC | Just off the top of my head wouldnt in-library yse be better ( in-house sound a bit corporate jargon IMHO) |
| 16:06 | Joubu | "Consultation sur place" |
| 16:07 | gmcharlt | ok, I have a suggestion |
| 16:07 | and that is to run with what Google translate suggests as a literal translation | |
| 16:07 | ColinC | s/yse/use/ |
| 16:07 | gmcharlt | in particular: "On-site use" |
| 16:07 | thd | :) |
| 16:07 | cait | now we listen to google? ;) |
| 16:08 | jus tjoking | |
| 16:08 | thd | :) |
| 16:08 | gmcharlt | or "On-site loans" |
| 16:08 | cait | hm maybe checkouts? to keep in sync? |
| 16:08 | gmcharlt | yeah |
| 16:08 | ColinC | On-site sounds better |
| 16:08 | gmcharlt | "On-site checkouts" |
| 16:08 | cait | well... nzers hate the checkouts, but they are consistent |
| 16:08 | ok, can we get a vote for on-site checkouts? | |
| 16:09 | oleonard | I don't care what we pick, I only care that we pick something. That's why I voted for the term Joubu already used. |
| 16:09 | cait | i think i like the new one |
| 16:09 | gmcharlt | +1 to ":on-site checkouts" |
| 16:09 | cait | and i agree, we shoudl decide and end this :) |
| 16:09 | +1 | |
| 16:09 | jcamins | +1 for anything that the plus one gives a clear majority |
| 16:09 | cait | well, if ther eis no veto from part 2 |
| 16:10 | oleonard | +1 |
| 16:10 | indradg | +1 |
| 16:10 | cait | Joubu: would it be ok for you? |
| 16:10 | Joubu | same, I don't care, I just want a word :) |
| 16:10 | cait | heh |
| 16:10 | ColinC | +1 |
| 16:10 | cait | tcohen: khall? |
| 16:10 | khall | +1 |
| 16:11 | barton | +1 |
| 16:11 | Joubu | so "On-site checkouts", that's what we decided? |
| 16:11 | thd | How site specific would on-site be? |
| 16:11 | Is that branch specific? | |
| 16:12 | gmcharlt | thd: you are overthinking this |
| 16:12 | thd | OK |
| 16:12 | cait | #topic Big stuff we are working on |
| 16:12 | Topic for #koha is now Big stuff we are working on (Meeting topic: Koha Dev Meeting, September 16, part 1) | |
| 16:12 | cait | oh |
| 16:12 | grump | |
| 16:12 | #agreed the majority agrees on 'on-site checkouts' | |
| 16:13 | thd | +0 abstain for overthinking :) |
| 16:13 | cait | ah sorry |
| 16:13 | hope it's still ok, even if i messed up the minutes a bit | |
| 16:14 | anyone want to talk about his work? | |
| 16:15 | i think gmcharlt will work on something exciting soon... | |
| 16:15 | Joubu | Paola signed off some of the vat rewrite - plumbing. |
| 16:15 | cait | paola++ :) |
| 16:15 | Joubu | New patches will be submited when the DBIC guidelines will be decided. |
| 16:16 | cait | #info some of the vat rewrite-plumbing got signed off by Paola |
| 16:16 | #info more tax rewrite patches to be submitted after decision on DBIC has been made | |
| 16:16 | gmcharlt? :) | |
| 16:17 | gmcharlt | so, I just wanted to mention the Ada Initiative fundraising campaing that's going on |
| 16:17 | the Ada Initiative is an international foundation that works to support women in open technology and open culture, including open source | |
| 16:17 | and the past few days there's been a special fundraiser | |
| 16:18 | a /lot/ of people have benefited form their work, and it is something that I personally support | |
| 16:18 | e.g., | |
| 16:18 | #link http://andromedayelton.com/blo[…]itiative-you-too/ | |
| 16:18 | #info Donation link is https://supportada.org/?campaign=libraries | |
| 16:18 | so, here's where it ties into Koha specifically | |
| 16:19 | if the funding among gets to $16,384 today - and we're just a few hundred short of that | |
| 16:19 | I will be making an add-on to the Bootstrap theme that adds... feline touches to a Koha OPAC | |
| 16:19 | and that's it -- thanks for listening | |
| 16:19 | cait | thx gmcharlt |
| 16:20 | can't wait to see the opac with whiskers :) | |
| 16:20 | thd | gmcharlt: Do you mean catlike? |
| 16:20 | gmcharlt | thd: I do! :) |
| 16:21 | cait | any more announcements? |
| 16:21 | * thd | waits for the canine version. |
| 16:21 | cait | #topic Actions from last meeting |
| 16:21 | Topic for #koha is now Actions from last meeting (Meeting topic: Koha Dev Meeting, September 16, part 1) | |
| 16:21 | cait | i have to admit, i have to look those up, can someone help? |
| 16:22 | ah ok | |
| 16:22 | gmcharlt | #info gmcharlt will be releasing UTF-8 test cases in the enxt couple days |
| 16:22 | cait | i think both got covered |
| 16:22 | nice | |
| 16:22 | :) | |
| 16:22 | ok, so | |
| 16:22 | Joubu | gmcharlt: Are there patches somewhere? |
| 16:22 | gmcharlt | not yet; I'll let you know when I'm ready for you to see them |
| 16:23 | Joubu | k |
| 16:23 | cait | #topic Set time for next meeting |
| 16:23 | Topic for #koha is now Set time for next meeting (Meeting topic: Koha Dev Meeting, September 16, part 1) | |
| 16:23 | cait | as tcohen will schedule one for dbic, can we set the time for the meeting after that there? |
| 16:24 | gmcharlt | perhaps during hackfest? |
| 16:24 | cait | if timezones permit, that might be nice |
| 16:24 | tcohen: is there a good/bad hackfest day for meetings? | |
| 16:24 | and not sure about timezones | |
| 16:25 | i like the hackfest idea - can we leave the exact day/time for now? | |
| 16:25 | so we can see how it works with the schedule? | |
| 16:26 | gmcharlt | +1 |
| 16:26 | cait | #info we will try to schedule the next dev meeting during hackfest, time/day to be decided when we know a bit more about the schedule |
| 16:27 | as noone else seems still awake :) | |
| 16:27 | #endmeeting | |
| 16:27 | Topic for #koha is now Next dev meeting is 16 September 2014 at 15:00 and 22:00 UTC. Welcome to the IRC home of Koha http://koha-community.org. Please use http://paste.koha-community.org for pastes. | |
| 16:27 | huginn | Meeting ended Tue Sep 16 16:27:08 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) |
| 16:27 | Minutes: http://meetings.koha-community[…]-09-16-15.03.html | |
| 16:27 | Minutes (text): http://meetings.koha-community[…]4-09-16-15.03.txt | |
| 16:27 | Log: http://meetings.koha-community[…]16-15.03.log.html | |
| 16:27 | gmcharlt | cait++ |
| 16:27 | cait | thx all for attending |
| 16:28 | * thd | goes back to sleeping at the keyboard. |
| 16:28 | cait | happy dreams thd :) |
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| 17:02 | * cait | decided it's cold enough to make soup |
| 17:02 | cait | @wunder Konstanz |
| 17:02 | huginn | cait: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is 24.0°C (7:00 PM CEST on September 16, 2014). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 51%. Dew Point: 15.0°C. Pressure: 29.90 in 1012 hPa (Falling). |
| 17:02 | cait | hm that feels a lot colder |
| 17:04 | druthb | @wunder 77063 |
| 17:04 | huginn | druthb: The current temperature in Briargrove Park, Houston, Texas is 30.3°C (12:03 PM CDT on September 16, 2014). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 66%. Dew Point: 23.0°C. Pressure: 30.03 in 1017 hPa (Steady). |
| 17:04 | druthb | Houston has soup for an atmosphere. |
| 17:05 | oleonard | Overcast and 30C--yeah that sounds like soup. |
| 17:05 | @wunder 45701 | |
| 17:05 | huginn | oleonard: The current temperature in Whitlind Woods, Athens, Ohio is 19.3°C (1:04 PM EDT on September 16, 2014). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 67%. Dew Point: 13.0°C. Pressure: 30.13 in 1020 hPa (Falling). |
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| 17:14 | mtompset | Greetings, #koha |
| 17:15 | I have a technical question. | |
| 17:15 | I am trying to debug a problem I am having. | |
| 17:15 | And I have narrowed it down to one line of code. | |
| 17:16 | But obviously, there are sideeffects that I obviously don't understand the black magic behind the scenes. | |
| 17:17 | why would a "use C4::Members qw/GetBorrowerCategorycode/;" added to C4 | |
| 17:17 | cait | so what's the question? |
| 17:17 | mtompset | ::items |
| 17:17 | Items. | |
| 17:17 | tcohen | cait++ |
| 17:17 | mtompset | cause prove t/db_dependent/Circulation.t bust? |
| 17:17 | sorry for bad grammar. | |
| 17:17 | cait | hm |
| 17:17 | * cait | refers that question to.. tcohen |
| 17:17 | cait | :P |
| 17:18 | mtompset | I suspect it has something to do with circular references. |
| 17:18 | tcohen | mtompset: circular dependencies are related to circular dependencies (or poor design, in your words :-P) |
| 17:19 | what is the problem? | |
| 17:19 | wahanui | the problem is it's human beings doing it. Rebuild your indexes. |
| 17:19 | mtompset | git bz apply 10589 |
| 17:19 | tcohen | prove t/db_dependent/Circulation.t doesn't fail to me |
| 17:19 | mtompset | prove t/db_dependent/Circulation.t |
| 17:19 | tcohen | ah |
| 17:20 | mtompset | the test uses C4::Circulation |
| 17:20 | tcohen | can't you call it C4::Members::GetBorrowerCategorycode ? |
| 17:20 | mtompset | which uses Items and Members |
| 17:21 | i'll try without the use. | |
| 17:22 | tcohen | why don't you just pass the categorycode instead of adding a circular dependency? |
| 17:22 | just saying | |
| 17:23 | maybe $filter parameter with { categorycode => $categorycode, etc } | |
| 17:24 | mtompset | You can call C4::Members::GetBorrowerCategorycode WITHOUT using Members? |
| 17:25 | tcohen | do u need to call GetBorrowerCategorycode at all? |
| 17:25 | mtompset | Good idea about passing the categorycode. |
| 17:26 | Oh... now I know why I didn't do that... | |
| 17:26 | This is for OPAC filtering... the user may not be logged in. :) | |
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| 17:27 | bgkriegel | hello |
| 17:27 | tcohen | nope, this is a C4::Items method, that might output stuff depending on a $filter parameter |
| 17:28 | which might contain a filter, or not | |
| 17:30 | oh my | |
| 17:31 | mtompset | oh my? |
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| 17:33 | tcohen | i vote for a change in the API, adding a $filter hashref, that contains (or not, depending on the situation) the borrowernumber and categorycode, branchcode, and so on |
| 17:33 | mtompset | Yes, I was thinking homebranch and categorycode being passed. |
| 17:34 | tcohen | that will make writing those unit tests easier too ;-) |
| 17:35 | because, they are needed anyway to get this pushed | |
| 17:35 | hi bgkriegel | |
| 17:39 | bgkriegel | hi |
| 17:41 | tcohen | mtompset: what do u think? |
| 17:41 | wahanui | do u think is, like, ok to set a cookie name marcdocs_borrowernumber true or false |
| 17:42 | mtompset | working on it. :) |
| 17:42 | tcohen | awesome |
| 17:42 | keep in mind, that we should document the functionality the method provides | |
| 17:42 | through unit tests | |
| 17:42 | I prefer mocked tests | |
| 17:44 | the most the functionality depends on parameters than on external entities/conditions, the easier to test | |
| 17:44 | because you should set that env before running each test | |
| 18:01 | mtompset | BTW, this suggestion takes the code out of the function, and forces it into 5 other modules, which then need to be tested all over again. I don't like it. |
| 18:06 | tcohen | mtompset: C4::Search already depends on C4::Members |
| 18:07 | and it already makes use of userenv C4::Search:1963 | |
| 18:07 | (for something similar) | |
| 18:08 | don't fear touching those .pl files | |
| 18:26 | huginn | New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 12879: Remove unnecesary diags from Holds.t <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]a07023dbb3af55efd> / Bug 12899: Row grouping in checkouts table is alphabetical and depends on translation <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]e076f7f2367039d9c> / Bug 12811 - Patron 'Details' and 'Check out' pages not working for staff us |
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| 18:39 | mtompset | At least, tcohen, you didn't congratulate yourself. ;) |
| 18:39 | tcohen | about? |
| 18:40 | mtompset | re the bug you just pushed that was your own... otherwise I'd worry you were a robot. |
| 18:40 | tcohen | ah |
| 18:40 | yes | |
| 18:40 | i'd congratulate myself some time | |
| 18:40 | not sure which one, yet | |
| 18:41 | heh | |
| 18:46 | mtompset | One that touches every file... that would be worth it. ;) |
| 18:46 | tcohen | i prefer the facets from zebra patch |
| 18:55 | oleonard | Bye #koha |
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| 20:53 | tcohen | hi |
| 20:59 | mtompset | Greetings again, tcohen. |
| 20:59 | I need to run. | |
| 20:59 | Have a great day, #koha. | |
| 21:02 | tcohen | hi mtompset |
| 21:06 | cait | tcohen++ #teaching me math :) |
| 21:07 | tcohen | heh |
| 21:08 | cait | bgkriegel++ # offering to teach me math heh |
| 21:11 | * cait | watches a movie about a giant squid |
| 21:12 | wizzyrea | \o/ |
| 21:12 | cait | i like the genetics student |
| 21:12 | she seems really excited :) | |
| 21:12 | wizzyrea | i know, they're all so chuffed to be there it's adorable |
| 21:13 | kohacon14? | |
| 21:13 | wahanui | kohacon14 is, like, in Argentina |
| 21:13 | cait | we got stomach contents! |
| 21:13 | wizzyrea | kohacon14? |
| 21:13 | wahanui | kohacon14 is in Argentina! |
| 21:13 | cait | heh |
| 21:13 | * wizzyrea | sighs |
| 21:13 | pianohacker | well, the valley girl extraction was successful |
| 21:14 | wizzyrea | hehehehe wait til they get to the bit with the beak |
| 21:15 | cait | they got it out already, but i skipped forward a bit |
| 21:16 | wizzyrea | hehe |
| 21:16 | cait | muddy water |
| 21:18 | wizzyrea | soren used to go to school with the Radio NZ interviewer's son - they were/are friends :) |
| 21:18 | I really love listening to her on the radio, she has a perfect radio voice. | |
| 21:19 | pianohacker | @marc 210 |
| 21:19 | huginn | pianohacker: Contains title as abbreviated for indexing or identification. An abbreviated key title is supplied by ISSN centers, based on the Key Title (Field 222). Other abbreviated titles are supplied by cataloging agencies, including abstracting and indexing services. (Repeatable) [a,b,2,6,8] |
| 21:19 | cait | :) |
| 21:20 | tcohen | hi wizzyrea |
| 21:20 | wizzyrea | hiya :) |
| 21:21 | tcohen | i've attached a "media" object |
| 21:21 | a flyer | |
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| 22:06 | thd | Is there a meeting now or am I still asleep? |
| 22:18 | * thd | concludes he is still asleep. |
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| 22:50 | bag | did I miss the meeting? |
| 22:50 | wizzyrea | we uh |
| 22:50 | didn't um, meet. | |
| 22:50 | that I'm aware of. | |
| 22:50 | pianohacker | derp |
| 22:51 | bag | wizzyrea: from the topic "Next dev meeting is 16 September 2014 at 15:00 and 22:00 UTC" |
| 22:51 | wizzyrea | >.> |
| 22:51 | bag | it's 16 sept here |
| 22:51 | I don't know maybe I'm fucking up timezones :) | |
| 22:52 | yeah so I guess we were supposed to meet... | |
| 22:53 | wizzyrea | well... |
| 23:03 | bag | Don't think we've got a quorum |
| 23:03 | wizzyrea | hehe no. |
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| 23:24 | wizzyrea | tcohen? |
| 23:24 | wahanui | tcohen is 122 |
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| 23:47 | tcohen | hi |
| 23:47 | wahanui | hola, tcohen |
| 23:49 | tcohen | i missed the meeting, had to pick the wife |
| 23:49 | eythian | did you manage to pick one? |
| 23:50 | wizzyrea | hehe |
| 23:50 | http://koha-community.org/ < or something | |
| 23:50 | oh wait caching. | |
| 23:50 | try now | |
| 23:51 | tcohen | :-D |
| 23:51 | thanks :-D | |
| 23:52 | wizzyrea | yw :) |
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| 23:57 | wizzyrea | there we go, now I'm happy with that |
| 23:57 | css <3 | |
| 23:58 | tcohen | :-D |
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