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| Time | Nick | Message |
|---|---|---|
| 00:00 | tcohen | heh |
| 00:01 | dcook | That can't be a real bug.. |
| 00:01 | rangi | 11244 |
| 00:02 | * dcook | was just doing the process of elimination |
| 00:02 | dcook | hehe |
| 00:03 | tcohen | not even the linux kernel bugzilla has that bug number |
| 00:03 | night | |
| 00:04 | rangi | night |
| 00:14 | huginn | New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 10220 IDs on checkin columns <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]29bcd33ab9c060820> |
| 00:38 | NateC joined #koha | |
| 00:41 | pianohacker | heh, has mozilla hit the millions yet? |
| 00:42 | dcook | Dang, they do seem to have a lot... |
| 00:51 | eythian | http://opensource.com/business[…]l-tiemann-red-hat <-- dcook, for your OSDC talk |
| 00:51 | dcook | Never heard about about that so not sure it's a thing, but thanks! |
| 00:52 | eythian | neither have I yet, but that's not too unexpected |
| 00:53 | it looks like the CFP is still open, too. | |
| 00:58 | dcook | Hmm, interesting. |
| 00:58 | wahanui | hmmm... interesting is sometimes good and sometimes bad |
| 01:25 | * dcook | wonders how people manage their authorities in Koha |
| 01:25 | dcook | I'm planning to upload 600,000+ authorities into Koha |
| 01:26 | Store the 001 from the original system in the 035 | |
| 01:26 | Then upload annual updates using the 001 from those updates against the 035 for the existing records | |
| 01:26 | In theory, that should work perfectly | |
| 01:26 | But...I'll have to tweak Zebra to do it...which makes me wonder what folks do now... | |
| 01:26 | * dcook | assumes that people don't update their authorities |
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| 01:27 | * dcook | looks at record matching rules more... |
| 01:30 | dcook | Ah...except I don't think you can compare different fields... |
| 01:34 | Oh wait...yes it does | |
| 01:34 | Derp | |
| 01:35 | Muahahahaha | |
| 01:35 | Except...that still won't work | |
| 01:35 | Unless... | |
| 01:35 | wahanui | unless is probably meant to give code that reads more like natural language? but i'm not a fan either |
| 01:36 | dcook | Marc modification templates might work for this... |
| 01:40 | Hmmm | |
| 01:41 | Well that's special... | |
| 01:41 | Turns out importing an authority using matching rules will overwrite the 001... | |
| 01:41 | That's not good... | |
| 01:41 | (I imagine) | |
| 01:55 | Interesting... "authid" really is just the auth_header.authid column...hmmm | |
| 01:58 | So really your 001 can be anything you want... | |
| 01:59 | mtj | hey dcook |
| 01:59 | dcook | heya mtj |
| 02:00 | mtj | i have been poking at a similar AUTH task to yours |
| 02:00 | dcook | Neato! |
| 02:00 | I'd love to hear about it :) | |
| 02:02 | mtj | importing newer LA auth records into a koha, matching on 035 strings |
| 02:02 | dcook | Intriguing |
| 02:02 | Are you moving the 001 from the LA records into the 035? | |
| 02:03 | mtj | actually i cant remember if i matched on 035 or 001, atm |
| 02:03 | dcook | If you didn't changing the indexing, it would be 001 |
| 02:03 | mtj | ok, its 001 then :) |
| 02:03 | dcook | Because Koha doesn't index 035 by default |
| 02:03 | Interesting | |
| 02:03 | wahanui | rumour has it Interesting is sometimes good and sometimes bad |
| 02:03 | dcook | So how are you importing the records in the beginning? |
| 02:04 | mtj | ./bulkmarcimport.pl -v -a -m ISO2709 -file ~/formal_extra_final_10184.aut |
| 02:04 | dcook | Mmm, same |
| 02:04 | Well, actually | |
| 02:04 | I used -keepid=035a | |
| 02:04 | To move the 001 into the 035a | |
| 02:05 | In your case, I imagine you're nuking the 001? | |
| 02:05 | Unless bulkmarcimport.pl doesn't do that.. | |
| 02:05 | mtj | then a --update for the following files... |
| 02:05 | ./bulkmarcimport.pl -u -v -a -file ./NCG-20140212-18_00_44-All-titles.prd | |
| 02:06 | i dont seem to have required any more tricks than that ^^ | |
| 02:07 | dcook | Interesting |
| 02:07 | wahanui | Interesting is, like, sometimes good and sometimes bad |
| 02:07 | dcook | I'm surprised that would update properly |
| 02:07 | Because -u will match on the 001 | |
| 02:07 | mtj | record matching seemed to 'just work' |
| 02:07 | dcook | Unless bulkmarcimport.pl doesn't nuke the 001 and replace it with the authid from auth_header... |
| 02:07 | Which it probably doesn't | |
| 02:07 | Interesting | |
| 02:07 | wahanui | well, Interesting is sometimes good and sometimes bad |
| 02:07 | dcook | Thanks for that, mtj :) |
| 02:08 | Ideally, we should be using a Koha-specific number in 001, and put LA's 001 in the 016$a or 035$a... | |
| 02:08 | Probably 016$a according to the spec | |
| 02:08 | mtj | ah ok |
| 02:09 | dcook | But...*shrug* |
| 02:09 | I can't be too fussed over this | |
| 02:09 | If I were really fussed over everything, I wouldn't get out of bed in the morning :p | |
| 02:10 | Ahh, yep, as I expected | |
| 02:11 | bulkmarcimport.pl won't replace the 001 unless you use -keepid=FIELD | |
| 02:12 | That's probably a bug... | |
| 02:12 | But fixing that will screw up the workflow for others (like yourself) | |
| 02:13 | Which could get nasty when importing records... | |
| 02:14 | mtj | hmm, this is stuff i havent considered yet, to be honest |
| 02:14 | dcook | I don't think anyone ever considers it ;) |
| 02:14 | mtj | i'll take a closer look next tme i work on it |
| 02:15 | * dcook | shrugs |
| 02:15 | dcook | Your workflow works, which is good |
| 02:15 | The only downside would be if someone imported records via the web UI | |
| 02:16 | Because that will toss the 001 and put authid there instead | |
| 02:19 | Ideally, I think the 001 would be a unique number that we would also store in the DB and use for linking records together | |
| 02:19 | (the 001 for both authorities and bibliographic records) | |
| 02:19 | I suppose there is some difficulty with that though.. | |
| 02:19 | So maybe not store in the DB... | |
| 02:19 | Well, stored in the DB but maybe not as the primary key | |
| 02:20 | I don't know. | |
| 02:27 | I don't know about this stuff either | |
| 02:28 | Now that I think about it, perhaps it is appropriate to leave the 001 untouched | |
| 02:28 | An organization receiving a record may move the incoming control number from field 001 (and the control number identifier from field 003) to field 035 (System Control Number), 010 (Library of Congress Control Number), or 016 (National Bibliographic Agency Control Number), as appropriate, and place its own system control number in field 001 (and its control number identifier in field 003). | |
| 02:28 | http://www.loc.gov/marc/bibliographic/bd001.html | |
| 02:30 | Same for authorities.. | |
| 02:30 | Since it's "may", you could never count on 001 as a local number really... | |
| 02:30 | MARC-- | |
| 02:39 | mtj: Now that I think about it... wouldn't -u not work that well? | |
| 02:39 | I'm just looking at the documentation now, but it looks like that's supposed to only update existing authorities | |
| 02:39 | Not add missing ones | |
| 02:40 | Hmm, the documentation looks like it might be wrong... | |
| 02:47 | mtj++ | |
| 02:47 | I think I'm going to use your method. Cheers :) | |
| 02:48 | mtj | afaik, the -u arg did add new unmatched records too (as i hoped) |
| 02:48 | dcook | Yep, it does |
| 02:49 | The documentation is wrong :/ | |
| 03:01 | Hmm, trying to think of all the ways to import authorities... | |
| 03:01 | Staged MARC Management, Z39.50 Authority Search, bulkmarcimport.pl... | |
| 03:28 | mtj | dcook: thats all , i think... ^^ |
| 03:31 | dcook | Me too |
| 03:31 | Btw, mtj, you might want to look at your action_logs | |
| 03:32 | If you have logging for authorities turned on, your action_logs will fill up when using bulkmarcimport.pl for authorities | |
| 04:14 | eythian | There's a terrible annoyance with the plugin system. When you upload files using them, they go onto the system with 666 perms. a) other-writable is bad, b) some of them may need to be 755 and you have to manually update that. |
| 04:14 | .zip is a silly format on unix machines. | |
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| 04:16 | mtompset | Greetings, #koha. |
| 04:16 | How accurate is http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]/Translating_Koha | |
| 04:18 | eythian | I'm not sure, but that is pretty accurate: http://youtu.be/0j74jcxSunY |
| 04:24 | dcook | Bahaha |
| 04:24 | This guy is fantastic | |
| 04:26 | eythian | he does a lot of videos on various interesting things that are good. |
| 04:26 | dcook | Apparently Korean is super interesting when it comes to counting |
| 04:26 | No, not counting | |
| 04:26 | Placement I think... | |
| 04:26 | He seems like he'd be good for a few things | |
| 04:28 | mtompset | Good video. |
| 04:32 | Have a great day, #koha eythian dcook. | |
| 04:33 | * dcook | ponders patching bulkmarcimport.pl |
| 04:34 | dcook | But... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pg_ArW8lrl0 |
| 04:34 | Well, not the actual patching. Just the process... | |
| 04:35 | fix is https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pg_ArW8lrl0 | |
| 04:35 | fix? | |
| 04:35 | wahanui | somebody said fix was going to be something else |
| 04:35 | dcook | fix? |
| 04:35 | wahanui | fix is going to be something else |
| 04:35 | dcook | hmm |
| 04:35 | fix is also https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pg_ArW8lrl0 | |
| 04:35 | wahanui | okay, dcook. |
| 04:35 | dcook | fix? |
| 04:35 | wahanui | well, fix is going to be something else |
| 04:35 | dcook | fix? |
| 04:35 | wahanui | fix is probably https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pg_ArW8lrl0 |
| 04:42 | dcook | Hehe. Like this line in updatadatabase.pl: "Upgrade to 3.15.00.000 done (the road goes ever on)" |
| 04:42 | "Upgrade to 3.17.00.000 done (there is no time to rest on our laurels)" | |
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| 04:46 | eythian | hi cait |
| 04:46 | dcook | hey cait |
| 05:01 | * cait | waves |
| 05:04 | dcook | Hmm, I seem to recall there being an issue with system preference caching... |
| 05:05 | eythian: Didn't you do a fix for that? | |
| 05:05 | eythian | there is, sometimes |
| 05:05 | yeah | |
| 05:05 | I need to re-do it actually | |
| 05:05 | after doing it, I wrote a proper caching system, and the syspref fix doesn't use it. | |
| 05:06 | dcook | Hmm |
| 05:08 | I suppose for now I should just use "C4::Context->disable_syspref_cache();" ? | |
| 05:08 | bulkmarcimport.pl temporarily changes CataloguingLog, but it with caching it doesn't actually change... | |
| 05:08 | eythian | ah, that'd be an issue |
| 05:09 | dcook | Totes |
| 05:09 | eythian | yeah, I think then you should call that |
| 05:09 | dcook | Sweet. |
| 05:09 | Would I need to re-enable it afterward? | |
| 05:09 | I suppose for Plack setups... | |
| 05:10 | eythian | it's just an in-process cache, I think |
| 05:10 | it's not setting any global state | |
| 05:10 | dcook | Admittedly, I don't know how that works with Plack :/ |
| 05:11 | eythian | it'll just apply to the bulkmarcimport.pl process |
| 05:11 | dcook | So that means C4::Context gets re-loaded regularly with Plack? |
| 05:12 | eythian | no, you're not setting it in plack if you call it from bulkmarcimport |
| 05:14 | dcook | Stop me if I'm wrong... in both Plack and non-Plack, bulkmarcimport.pl will load C4::Context, then calling C4::Context->disable_syspref_cache(); will create a new C4::Context object and disable the syspref cache, then the object is destroyed at the end of the process? |
| 05:14 | eythian | yeah, though I'm not sure that it creates a new C4::Context (it might, I can't remember.) |
| 05:14 | dcook | Or is it with Plack it would only load C4::Context when Plack goes up, but the object is still created and destroyed within the process? |
| 05:14 | eythian | plack has nothing to do with bulkmarcimport |
| 05:15 | bulkmarcimport doesn't know nor care that you have plack somewhere else. | |
| 05:15 | dcook | So long as there are no "our" variables? |
| 05:15 | Admittedly, I've only poked at Plack a little bit so far | |
| 05:15 | eythian | it's a totally different process. The only communication they have is via the database or memcache. |
| 05:16 | dcook | Interesting.. |
| 05:16 | wahanui | i think interesting is sometimes good and sometimes bad |
| 05:16 | dcook | So what sort of persistence does Plack provide then? |
| 05:17 | eythian | it serves multiple requests with one process, so once C4::Context etc. is loaded in that particular process, it doesn't need to be loaded again. |
| 05:19 | dcook | Multiple requests you say? |
| 05:19 | eythian | yeah |
| 05:19 | that's why it's faster | |
| 05:19 | the startup overhead only happens once per process | |
| 05:20 | dcook | And how often is a process initiated? |
| 05:20 | eythian | it depends. You might have 10 on startup, and it gets killed after say 50 requests. |
| 05:21 | when it's killed a new one is started. | |
| 05:22 | dcook | Hmm, I think that leads me to more questions, which I might not burden you with at the moment |
| 05:22 | Suffice it to say, I won't bother re-enabling the syspref cache in this case :) | |
| 05:22 | eythian | good, because I have to leave in a few minutes :) |
| 05:22 | dcook | Me too, so I should hurry up on this patch |
| 05:29 | Yay...now I won't get a million entries in my action_logs... | |
| 05:29 | Of course, I suppose I could've just turned off AuthoritiesLogging this time... | |
| 05:29 | Actually, I think I might do that rather than do a local patch while waiting for this one to be signed off... | |
| 05:42 | Interesting...if I slump forward I get sunlight reflecting off a window, but if I have proper posture there is no glare | |
| 05:42 | Need to get more windows around here... | |
| 06:14 | pianohacker | jaysis I never closed my IRC! |
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| 07:52 | cait | @wunder Konstanz |
| 07:52 | huginn | cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 17.7°C (9:50 AM CEST on August 06, 2014). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 85%. Dew Point: 15.0°C. Pressure: 30.06 in 1018 hPa (Falling). |
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| 07:59 | Viktor | Hi! |
| 07:59 | Is anyone aware of any work on a separate renewal fee for item types? | |
| 08:00 | We have DVDs that should cost the same for each renewals while ILLs is a one off fee where renewals are free. | |
| 08:01 | Asking so I don't post a duplicate thread on Bugzilla. | |
| 08:02 | cait | Viktor: hm I can't remember something like that |
| 08:02 | but we'd have a similar problem i think | |
| 08:06 | Viktor | It's not the end of the world of course. But it would be a welcome improvement |
| 08:08 | Then I think a bugzilla thread might be called for. But as it feels like a patch that needs to store an extra parameter in the database it might be a little over my head. | |
| 08:28 | cait | maybe a step by step thing |
| 08:28 | the change int he database is not too bad | |
| 08:29 | i think the rental fee is charged every time | |
| 08:29 | for checkout and for renewal | |
| 08:29 | the hold/reserve fee is what we use for ILL | |
| 08:29 | bit it depends on the workflow | |
| 08:30 | Viktor | Hm - wondering if I missed an important part |
| 08:31 | I only see rental fee under item types. Does hold/reserve fee live i syspref? | |
| 08:31 | cait | Viktor: ah you are right... we wanted to use it, but it's by patron category |
| 08:31 | it's been a while, our ill workflow is not in production yet | |
| 08:32 | Viktor | Ah. Glad I didn't miss an important part though :) |
| 08:32 | cait | sorry for confusing |
| 08:32 | hm guess right now ill fee is a bit complicated | |
| 08:32 | Viktor | No problem. Being confused is part of the fun. |
| 08:32 | cait | apart from putting it on the account manually |
| 08:33 | Viktor | Yes. Manually is no fun.. |
| 08:33 | Another ILL-thought. A "per item type" flag for "allow patron renewals" would be great. | |
| 08:34 | DVDs is fine if they renew by themselves but ILLs require the staff to check with issuing library before allowing renewal. A "request renewal" would be better for those. | |
| 08:45 | cait | Viktor: hm you can do renewals in the circulation matrix |
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| 09:02 | Viktor | @cait - Sorry. Browser acting up. Working away from regular computer and no IRC-client. |
| 09:02 | huginn | Viktor: I'll give you the answer just as soon as RDA is ready |
| 09:10 | cait | Viktor: i only said that for the renwals the configuratin is in the circ matrix now - so that shodl be ok |
| 09:18 | Viktor: ah... sorry, i am a bit slow today | |
| 09:18 | Viktor: you could allow staff to override renewal limits | |
| 09:18 | and set it to 0 for the patrons | |
| 09:41 | Viktor | Good idea. I think that is how we have it configured actually :) |
| 09:42 | But am I right that this will block borrower renewals altogheter? | |
| 09:43 | I'd like to see a middle ground where you can still do a "request renewal from staff" where the renewal is handled by the staff as we do with tags etc. | |
| 10:19 | cait | renewals for this cmbination of itemtype/patron category/library |
| 10:19 | we use a separate itemtype for ill material | |
| 10:21 | Viktor | We do too :) Just thought it would be cool if people could still request a renewal in opac in the middle of the night. At least I as a patron would like that instead of having to wait until morning and call the library :) |
| 10:55 | cait | @later tell Viktor - true :) |
| 10:55 | huginn | cait: The operation succeeded. |
| 10:55 | cait | @seen ashimema |
| 10:55 | huginn | cait: ashimema was last seen in #koha 4 days, 3 hours, 24 minutes, and 4 seconds ago: <ashimema> laters |
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| 12:44 | tcohen | morning! |
| 12:44 | wahanui | morning is, like, a state of the cait |
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| 12:59 | tcohen | oleonard: how do I add the calendar button to a form field? |
| 13:01 | oleonard | tcohen: Often all you need is 'class="datepicker"' on the input |
| 13:02 | tcohen | can the class be appended using jquery? |
| 13:02 | i was using $("#dateenrolled").datepicker({ maxDate: "-1D" }); | |
| 13:02 | which adds the datepicker, but no icon | |
| 13:03 | .addClass :-D | |
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| 13:19 | oleonard | I disagree with the style changes made by Bug 12576 but I don't know if it's because of reasons or because I'm a stick-in-the-mud |
| 13:19 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=12576 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, seanh, Signed Off , search links need style id |
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| 14:31 | cait | oleonard: still around? |
| 14:31 | oleonard | yes |
| 14:32 | cait | not sure what a stick-in-the-mud is... but I added you in cc to the bug because I had similar feelings :) |
| 14:37 | oleonard | A stick-in-the-mud is someone who doesn't like new things because they're different. |
| 14:37 | cait | ah |
| 14:37 | is there a story to it or something? | |
| 14:37 | why it's called so? | |
| 14:38 | oleonard | No idea :) I don't even know if it's a widely-used expression in the US or if it's a regional thing |
| 14:38 | cait | it's a patch from a new contributor |
| 14:38 | i think it will make all links look the same? | |
| 14:38 | all being buttons? | |
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| 14:42 | oleonard | I think it's good that the links look like links because they look less important |
| 14:42 | But it is also true that the styling of the buttons make them appear less important too, but in a different way. | |
| 14:42 | wahanui | okay, oleonard. |
| 14:43 | oleonard | okay what wahanui ? |
| 14:43 | wahanui | i am a bot |
| 14:43 | oleonard | But it? |
| 14:47 | cait | but it |
| 14:47 | wahanui is being weird | |
| 14:47 | i think i haven't looked at the styleing yet - i probably should | |
| 14:51 | druthb | wahanui: botsnack oatmeal cookie |
| 14:51 | wahanui | :) |
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| 15:24 | paul_p | cait ? |
| 15:24 | wahanui | cait: go to bed |
| 15:24 | paul_p | not really a time to go to bed yet ;-) |
| 15:25 | cait = is it true that the german national library has closed its z39.50 server ? How do you copy catalogue then ? | |
| 15:25 | * oleonard | waves to paul_p |
| 15:26 | paul_p | hi oleonard. I hope the mud is not annoying you too much :D |
| 15:27 | cait | paul_p: i think they offer sru now |
| 15:27 | paul_p: and there are still union catalogs offering z39.50 | |
| 15:27 | paul_p | cait right. but how do you manage copy catlaoguing with Koha then ? |
| 15:27 | cait | we have our own target |
| 15:27 | paul_p | own target ??? |
| 15:28 | cait | the swb unoin catalog still offers z39.50 |
| 15:28 | it's only the nationa library that does not | |
| 15:28 | and i am not sure if they totally closed it - but i remember they don't offer for authorities | |
| 15:29 | https://wiki.bsz-bw.de/doku.ph[…]m:daten:z39.50neu | |
| 15:29 | paul_p: remember, we are a bit similar to abes i think | |
| 15:29 | paul_p | cait (thanks, it's for a -I hope future- customer that has german books & would like retro-cataloguing) |
| 15:30 | cait | it's free you can use ours |
| 15:30 | paul_p | "give me a XSL with scanned ISBN, and we populate your database" |
| 15:30 | cait | bibliographic and authorities |
| 15:30 | paul_p | s/xsl/xls/ ;-) |
| 15:30 | cait | hm the result might not be what they expect |
| 15:31 | given different editions can have different isbn etc | |
| 15:31 | other union catalogs also offer z39.50 - but only marc21 I think not unimarc | |
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| 15:37 | Mahdi | i'm setting up a fresh amazon machine to run a Koha instance. are there any suggestions about which machine is a better option? |
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| 16:30 | indradg | Hi oleonard... around? |
| 16:30 | oleonard | yes |
| 16:32 | indradg | sorry i wasnt clear enough on the m/l. the kohanews block (in the case I was working on) was large enough that it was pushing the new block almost down to the edge of the screen |
| 16:33 | the idea behind pages.pl is (if I have it right) for news and other other updates that admins might want to publish... that why I was trying to bounce the idea | |
| 16:33 | nothing more | |
| 16:34 | oleonard | I still don't understand the problem. News is displaying but you don't want it to? You want news to display but too much displays? |
| 16:37 | Anyone hear any news from Koha North America conference? | |
| 16:41 | WNickC | Just getting underway |
| 16:42 | nengard is going to share the agenda asap | |
| 16:43 | oleonard | Oh yeah, time zones. |
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| 17:41 | oleonard | So a few days ago I found that I couldn't run xt/author/valid-templates.t without error, but some reported that it worked if the Perl version was 5.18.2 |
| 17:41 | Anyone have any idea why a test would work with Perl v5.18.2 but not 5.14.2? | |
| 17:45 | tcohen | oleonard: jenkins nodes aren't having trouble with it |
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| 18:41 | pianohacker | hello |
| 18:41 | wahanui | bidet, pianohacker |
| 18:44 | cait | hm |
| 18:44 | my flight schedule just completely changed | |
| 18:44 | i am arriving earlier, and leaving later... but still leave and arrive at the same time | |
| 18:45 | and hi pianohacker :) | |
| 18:45 | did i give you karma for helping me yesterday yet? pianohacker++ :D | |
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| 18:49 | pianohacker | hahaha yes you did, but I always love me some internet points |
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| 19:42 | pastebot | "oleonard" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "Errors following new package install on Ubuntu 14" (5 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/144 |
| 19:43 | oleonard | Anyone know what I should do about those errors? |
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| 19:46 | pianohacker | oleonard: Those errors should correspond to some other message during the installatin |
| 19:52 | cait | oleonard: hm i think therw as something about the apachee itk lately |
| 19:53 | hm maybe | |
| 19:53 | http://koha.1045719.n5.nabble.[…]ts-td4521315.html | |
| 19:53 | hm way too old, forget that | |
| 19:55 | oleonard: maybe this? http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]g.cgi?id=11404#c6 | |
| 19:55 | huginn | 04Bug 11404: major, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Pushed to Master , add out-of-the-box support for Apache 2.4 |
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| 20:44 | bag | hi there |
| 20:45 | rangi | hi bag |
| 20:45 | hows hte conf going | |
| 20:45 | bag | it’s going well |
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| 20:52 | bag | rangi: is mibbit banned from irc? |
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| 20:52 | ryanleesipes | Hello Nicole. |
| 20:52 | bag | hello nengard |
| 20:52 | WNickC_ | Hi nengard |
| 20:52 | nengard | Hi from the Koha Users Group meeting! |
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| 20:53 | Robin_NEKLS | Hi folks!! |
| 20:53 | bag | @wunder wenatchee, WA |
| 20:53 | huginn | bag: The current temperature in 3rd and Elliott, Wenatchee, Washington is 33.8°C (1:52 PM PDT on August 06, 2014). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 10%. Dew Point: -2.0°C. Pressure: 29.90 in 1012 hPa (Falling). |
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| 20:53 | bag | heya carmenh - nice lunch? |
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| 20:53 | carmenh | lunch was great… came back with a food baby though :) |
| 20:53 | bag | HA |
| 20:53 | larryb | o/ NAKUG |
| 20:54 | bag | agenda? |
| 20:54 | wahanui | it has been said that agenda is a wiki |
| 20:54 | bag | heya larryb |
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| 20:55 | larryb | hi bag |
| 20:55 | bag | hey there jmsasse |
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| 20:55 | rangi | bag: yeah, dont use mibbit |
| 20:55 | jmsasse | Hello everybody! |
| 20:56 | bag | nengard: yup looks like mibbit is blocked |
| 20:56 | Robin_NEKLS | Hi jmsasse! |
| 20:56 | rangi | http://webchat.oftc.net/?channels=koha use that if you have to use a web based one |
| 20:56 | carmenh | hello jmsasse…. hello rangi |
| 20:56 | :) | |
| 20:56 | rangi | heya carmenh |
| 20:56 | wahanui | i think carmenh is a new trainer :) ... and hello cait |
| 20:56 | ryanleesipes | Too bad somebody didn't post some (safe) ascii art while she had the channel pulled up |
| 20:56 | bag | sweet thanks rangi |
| 20:56 | carmenh | I am wahanui :) |
| 20:56 | ryanleesipes | ___ |
| 20:56 | ( "> | |
| 20:56 | )( | |
| 20:56 | // ) | |
| 20:56 | jgs --//""-- | |
| 20:56 | -/------ | |
| 20:57 | bag | NateC? |
| 20:57 | wahanui | I LIKE SPACE AND MY WIFE |
| 20:57 | bag | bag? |
| 20:57 | wahanui | I LIKE BASEBALL |
| 20:57 | nengard | nengard? |
| 20:57 | wahanui | hmmm... nengard is fast |
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| 20:57 | NateC | :) |
| 20:57 | bag | hey there NateC |
| 20:57 | rangi | carmenh? |
| 20:57 | wahanui | I LOVE DISNEY |
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| 20:58 | ryanleesipes | nengard, example |
| 20:58 | jmsasse | Hiya rangi |
| 20:58 | carmenh | you know it rangi!!! :) :) |
| 20:58 | bag | nengard: |
| 20:58 | nengard: | |
| 21:00 | zebra? | |
| 21:00 | wahanui | well, zebra is a fielded free text indexing and retrieval engine with a Z39.50 front-end. You can use any compatible, commercial, or freeware Z39.50 client to access data stored in Zebra. or the search engine koha uses |
| 21:00 | jmsasse | rangi glad to here you are no longer blocking all betas:) |
| 21:00 | rangi | :) |
| 21:01 | bag | oh nengard bring up the newsletter too |
| 21:01 | or maybe you can have chad talk about that | |
| 21:01 | rangi | also |
| 21:02 | bag | and let’s all thank NCRL for having us :) |
| 21:02 | rangi | can someone grab library cards for me |
| 21:02 | bag | oh nice |
| 21:02 | rangi | https://secure.flickr.com/phot[…]inui/14000457698/ <-- to go here |
| 21:02 | bag | hey rangi - can you email me your mailing address? I’ll announce it here so peeps can send you library cards |
| 21:02 | * cait | waves |
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| 21:02 | * bag | or maybe I’ll just collect them for you |
| 21:02 | carmenh | hi cait |
| 21:03 | bag | heya cait |
| 21:03 | rangi | if you collect them and bring them to kohacon that would be sweet! |
| 21:04 | bag | oh man rangi the second picture is your leg |
| 21:04 | ;) | |
| 21:04 | rangi | heh |
| 21:04 | cait | ew |
| 21:04 | hehe | |
| 21:05 | rangi | before https://secure.flickr.com/phot[…]inui/10375159583/ |
| 21:05 | after https://secure.flickr.com/phot[…]inui/10374977936/ | |
| 21:06 | jmsasse | Hi cait. Wie geht's heute? :) |
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| 21:07 | LordOfKoha | ByWater? |
| 21:07 | wahanui | well, ByWater is a great place to work! |
| 21:08 | LordOfKoha | naug? |
| 21:08 | cait | jmsasse: good, how are you? |
| 21:09 | mario | bag: |
| 21:09 | bag | mario: |
| 21:10 | mario | hey all |
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| 21:22 | jmsasse | cait: I'm good, thank you. |
| 21:22 | cait | @seen ashimema |
| 21:22 | huginn | cait: ashimema was last seen in #koha 4 days, 13 hours, 51 minutes, and 11 seconds ago: <ashimema> laters |
| 21:23 | cait | jmsasse: having fun at nakug? |
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| 21:25 | jmsasse | cait: yes:) |
| 21:25 | cait | :) |
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| 21:43 | rangi | hehe |
| 21:43 | https://twitter.com/karencoyle[…]97072124540907520 | |
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| 21:46 | pianohacker | I really was not expecting that in an academic style paper |
| 21:47 | wizzyrea | ...cascading vortex or horror is not a phrase that was previously in my vocabulary but I am glad that it is now. |
| 21:48 | rangi | im reading this |
| 21:48 | https://docs.google.com/docume[…]Ajk97MTWdU18/edit | |
| 21:48 | and there is a logical fallacy here | |
| 21:48 | http://dashboard.koha-community.org/ | |
| 21:48 | wahanui | http://dashboard.koha-community.org/ are the better stats to optimise |
| 21:48 | rangi | check the numbers |
| 21:49 | there are only 54 patches at signed off | |
| 21:49 | 187!!! waiting for sign off | |
| 21:49 | the bottle neck is not qa | |
| 21:49 | its initial sign off | |
| 21:49 | id edit the doc, but it wont let me | |
| 21:49 | * cait | agrees |
| 21:49 | pianohacker | where is this from? |
| 21:50 | cait | it also was down to 30 last week or so |
| 21:50 | rangi | from NAKUG |
| 21:50 | yeah | |
| 21:50 | cait | just went up a bit, will go down again |
| 21:50 | rangi | qa is not, and hasnt been for a few years, where the bottle neck is |
| 21:50 | cait | also - more sign offs, more testing... faster qa |
| 21:50 | rangi | yep |
| 21:50 | cait | less things get failed |
| 21:50 | rangi | yep |
| 21:50 | cait | and need to be redone |
| 21:51 | rangi | the fact is |
| 21:51 | cait | it takes a lot of time to come back to a bug again and again, so more eyes before it hits qa could also help that |
| 21:51 | wizzyrea | ^ I think this is why people see QA as a bottleneck. |
| 21:51 | because you want quality, things get kicked out. | |
| 21:51 | and that's OK!! | |
| 21:51 | rangi | bernardo has done 115 signoffs |
| 21:51 | cait | wizzyrea: i can promise it's not fun... because those bugs keep coming back at you! like zombies heh |
| 21:51 | rangi | marc has done 88 |
| 21:51 | cait | but it's good, of course they should |
| 21:52 | wizzyrea | but people need to understand that dynamic. |
| 21:52 | bad solutions = qa kicks it out. | |
| 21:52 | until it's a good solution. | |
| 21:52 | rangi | a few people are shouldering most of hte signoffs |
| 21:52 | thats where the problem is imho | |
| 21:53 | cait | yeah, overall, we need more hands, but can't lessen quality control |
| 21:53 | lessen right word there? | |
| 21:53 | wizzyrea | (and testing the same things over and over is tiresome, for sure) |
| 21:53 | rangi | pianohacker: its https://docs.google.com/docume[…]Ajk97MTWdU18/edit (from the NAKUG meeting) |
| 21:53 | cait: yep you can use lessen in that way | |
| 21:53 | cait | cool :) |
| 21:53 | wizzyrea | but that means we need more people willing to sign off, not more people to QA |
| 21:53 | rangi | you could also use relax |
| 21:54 | cait | ah thx |
| 21:54 | rangi | wizzyrea: what you said |
| 21:55 | wizzyrea | also reducing scope creep would be good. |
| 21:56 | rangi | how many NA libraries .. 600 or so? |
| 21:56 | 1 each a year | |
| 21:56 | holy crap thats 600 | |
| 21:56 | problem solved | |
| 21:56 | im a math genius :) | |
| 21:56 | cait | lol |
| 21:56 | wizzyrea | (we knew that) |
| 21:57 | cait | rangi: does it mean you are going to do my math homework for me now? |
| 21:57 | i can do more qa that way :P | |
| 21:57 | rangi | only if its not combinatorics |
| 21:57 | cait | it's encryption algorithms |
| 21:57 | bag | yeah no worries rangi - we are pushing sign-offs here |
| 21:58 | the notes aren’t totally reflecting the actual conversation that is happening | |
| 21:58 | rangi | sweet |
| 21:58 | cait | not sure it has been mentioned - but the dashboard is missing from the notes |
| 21:58 | bag | just finished demoing sandboxes and now we’re going around helping set up people with a nice sign-off system |
| 21:59 | yeah don’t over react about the notes - those are from nicole - but she’s in the middle of talking at the same time - we’ll clean the notes up in a bit :) | |
| 21:59 | rangi | cait: you could always ask sonja (bag's wife) to help with math :) |
| 21:59 | bag | goal tomorrow is to get everyone into the computer lab here and go at it |
| 21:59 | cait ANYTIME!!!! | |
| 21:59 | rangi | thats the 2nd time this week ive been accused of over reacting |
| 21:59 | cait | the problem might be understanding her in english :) |
| 22:00 | i have trouble with the vocabulary in german already! | |
| 22:00 | bag | HA rangi I wasn’t accusing you - I was accusing everyone - don’t think I picked on just you |
| 22:00 | cait | rangi: where now? |
| 22:00 | wahanui | somebody said now was good time with holidays coming up |
| 22:00 | cait | oh |
| 22:00 | time for sleep | |
| 22:00 | bag | night night cait |
| 22:00 | * cait | just turned into a pumkin |
| 22:01 | cait | it's midnight here :) |
| 22:01 | wizzyrea | I'm ok with being accused of over-reacting - but it's more that I'm emphatic. |
| 22:01 | bag | “don’t over react “ I guess /me just uses that as common speak |
| 22:01 | bag-- | |
| 22:01 | huginn | bag: Error: You're not allowed to adjust your own karma. |
| 22:01 | wizzyrea | ;) |
| 22:01 | * wizzyrea | pats bag |
| 22:01 | cait | bag: could you encourage them to write up how they test/what they test? |
| 22:01 | i always find that very helpful | |
| 22:01 | bag | will try cait |
| 22:01 | LordOfKoha | I need a hug. Was just FORCED to do a presentation on Sandboxes with NO PREP! |
| 22:02 | bag | LordOfKoha++ |
| 22:02 | * wizzyrea | hugs LordOfKoha |
| 22:02 | wizzyrea | i hope that's not weird. |
| 22:03 | * pianohacker | blinks |
| 22:07 | LordOfKoha | Great, a bot hug |
| 22:07 | wizzyrea | err |
| 22:08 | LordOfKoha | Liz, you're not a bot! |
| 22:08 | hahaha | |
| 22:08 | sorry | |
| 22:08 | wizzyrea | ^.^ |
| 22:08 | LordOfKoha | I can't keep this place straight! |
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| 22:08 | wizzyrea | ok now I have to know who you are >.> |
| 22:09 | bag | wizzyrea: I’ll give you a hint |
| 22:09 | CIN | |
| 22:09 | wizzyrea | ummmmm |
| 22:10 | nope. Nuthin. | |
| 22:10 | LordOfKoha | :) |
| 22:10 | bag | last night is the name of a yogurt |
| 22:10 | that’s the last one | |
| 22:10 | * cait | can't sleep with you all talking in here :P |
| 22:10 | bag | you are on your own now |
| 22:10 | LordOfKoha | I'm being ratted out! |
| 22:11 | wizzyrea | Name of a yogurt? now you're just being obtuse |
| 22:12 | bag | obtuse!!! |
| 22:12 | ouch wizzyrea | |
| 22:12 | * wizzyrea | guesses it's not Richard Peachesncream |
| 22:12 | bag | well your husband has an excellent radio voice wizzyrea |
| 22:12 | LordOfKoha | I could call bag a bot. |
| 22:12 | wizzyrea | hehe yes he does. |
| 22:12 | bag | wizzyrea: that’s the best dig I could come up with |
| 22:12 | wizzyrea | lol, obtuse is just obtuse >.> |
| 22:13 | bag | oh even better - wizzyrea your husband looks like a MLB baseball player |
| 22:13 | wizzyrea | OH NO you've just crossed a line there bag. |
| 22:13 | bag | !!!! |
| 22:14 | wizzyrea | hafthor bjornsson is who he looks like. |
| 22:14 | LordOfKoha | Hi pianohacker! |
| 22:14 | cait | wizzyrea: i think now he got you distracted |
| 22:14 | and i was relying on you to figure out the riddle :) | |
| 22:15 | wizzyrea | the only yogurt I can think of is peaches and cream. |
| 22:15 | eythian | hi |
| 22:15 | wahanui | hola, eythian |
| 22:15 | wizzyrea | OH WAIT. |
| 22:15 | bag | yeah wizzyrea think company name |
| 22:15 | lightbulb !!!! | |
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| 22:16 | wizzyrea | http://37.media.tumblr.com/tum[…]1qa6j6co1_500.gif |
| 22:16 | LordOfDuh | There we go...a better fitting name |
| 22:17 | wizzyrea | hrmph. |
| 22:17 | * cait | is still confused |
| 22:17 | wizzyrea | Dannon |
| 22:17 | cait | danone? |
| 22:17 | LordOfDuh | Brannon |
| 22:17 | wizzyrea | well hi :) |
| 22:17 | LordOfDuh | :) |
| 22:21 | * cait | waves |
| 22:21 | cait | now i want yoghurt |
| 22:21 | LordOfDuh | I think we should remove scanning from inventory |
| 22:22 | wizzyrea | cait: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1G17wQR3DL0 |
| 22:23 | cait | yes yes... i know |
| 22:23 | wizzyrea | :) |
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| 22:26 | LordOfDuh | Now I don't like yogurt. Thanks bag. |
| 22:29 | pianohacker | hi LordOfDuh |
| 22:30 | LordOfDuh | pianohacker, are you writing any amazing code? |
| 22:30 | wizzyrea | that's the wrong question. |
| 22:30 | pianohacker, what amazing code are you writing right now? | |
| 22:30 | LordOfDuh | ah. Duh. ;) |
| 22:31 | pianohacker | I'm writing a macro language! |
| 22:31 | dani left #koha | |
| 22:32 | LordOfDuh | Macros for cataloging? |
| 22:32 | pianohacker | yup, for the new editor |
| 22:32 | http://paste.koha-community.org/122 | |
| 22:32 | WNickC_ | someone suggested today it would be nice of the macros were like authorized values and could be liimited as to who sees them |
| 22:32 | jmsasse | quit |
| 22:33 | LordOfDuh | I would just like macros for several tasks in Koha staff in general. |
| 22:33 | pianohacker can you do that next? | |
| 22:33 | ;) | |
| 22:33 | pianohacker | hi, WNickC_. The macros already are limited; they're stored per-user |
| 22:34 | LordOfDuh: of course ;) what specific areas, though? | |
| 22:34 | WNickC_ | yay! you read our minds! |
| 22:34 | pianohacker | I'd like to have some sort of shared macro functionality, but that's down the line |
| 22:35 | bag | yo pianohacker |
| 22:35 | what’s up man | |
| 22:35 | WNickC_ | pianohacker: are they stored in browser? or actually on the system |
| 22:35 | bag | we demo’d your rancor today |
| 22:37 | pianohacker | woot woot |
| 22:37 | LordOfDuh | Seriously, though, when we pull holds that have been sitting too long, we have to search for the item, pull up the patron, write a note in the patron messages that they didn't pick up the item, then cancel the hold, and then check it in to trigger the next hold. It would be great if you have a repetitive group of tasks that you do over and over, if you could do it like a macro. :) |
| 22:38 | pianohacker | WNickC_: In browser |
| 22:38 | I have export/import functionality on the list, don't worry :) | |
| 22:38 | LordOfDuh: Ah, yeah. That kind of cross-module scripting would be rather tricky | |
| 22:39 | LordOfDuh | So you'll do it! Yay! |
| 22:39 | eythian | when we have a nice ajax type API, then that sort of thing will become a lot more possible |
| 22:39 | pianohacker | Yup |
| 22:39 | * pianohacker | hides behind his "talk to my boss" mask |
| 22:41 | LordOfDuh | Gotta run and talk with people face to face. Later! |
| 22:46 | pianohacker | marc question; is it possible to ha |
| 22:47 | *have indicators that are something besides a number or blank? | |
| 22:48 | eythian | pianohacker: according to the MARC standard, yes. |
| 22:48 | (i.e. the MARC file format, I don't know if MARC21 or something ever actually does.) | |
| 22:48 | pianohacker | eythian: yeah, that's the main question |
| 22:49 | rangi | probably in RDA you can |
| 22:49 | a cascading vortex of horror of indicators | |
| 22:49 | pianohacker | I mean, MARC proper doesn't even require numeric field numbers |
| 22:49 | heheheh | |
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| 23:14 | * dcook | ponders |
| 23:15 | nengard joined #koha | |
| 23:15 | bag | pianohacker: no hiding behind me :) I trust your judgement |
| 23:15 | nengard: where are you? | |
| 23:15 | nengard | at the hotel with dani, rocio, carmen and todd |
| 23:15 | we wanted to work quietly | |
| 23:15 | bag | nengard: power cable? |
| 23:16 | one sec | |
| 23:16 | nengard | front of the room |
| 23:16 | bag | Kyle just grabbed it YO |
| 23:16 | nengard | thank you both!! |
| 23:16 | If my battery dies before you return here I'll head back out to get it :) | |
| 23:16 | but I think I'm okay | |
| 23:17 | carmen has the new mac so her charger won't work on my old one :( | |
| 23:17 | bag | we’ll probably leave here in about 45 |
| 23:18 | nengard | hey #koha if anyoen wants to read the rough notes from the users group meeting today you are welcome - they are at: http://goo.gl/I62TGm |
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| 23:24 | eythian | g'day papa |
| 23:25 | * dcook | was wondering what all this grabbing and hiding was about :p |
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| 23:49 | dcook | I love that Microsoft have a Windows app for troubleshooting issues with Windows... |
| 23:51 | Right...so I need a Microsoft Account just to install some software onto Windows 8.1... | |
| 23:51 | * dcook | thinks this isn't going to happen |
| 23:52 | pianohacker | what are you talking about in an open source channel >:( |
| 23:52 | nengard | yeah ... what the heck is going on here?? |
| 23:52 | pianohacker | we're far too polite to kick you out, but we'll give you very meaningful looks |
| 23:52 | dcook | All the more reason to use open source :p |
| 23:53 | I use open source at home... :( | |
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