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| 00:01 | kmlussier joined #koha | |
| 00:04 | eythian | pianohacker: whats it do? |
| 00:05 | oh, it's in there by default | |
| 00:05 | could be worth keeping in mind | |
| 00:11 | chrisvella94 joined #koha | |
| 00:20 | dcook | irma or BobB about? |
| 00:20 | Or anyone willing to check a Z39.50 server? | |
| 00:20 | Actually, probably irma or BobB as you'll need an account with the provider.. | |
| 00:25 | I have orange flavoured chocolate... | |
| 00:25 | We really need teleporters...if only for food | |
| 00:41 | BobB | hi dcook |
| 00:41 | dcook | Yo BobB |
| 00:41 | BobB | z3950? |
| 00:41 | dcook | Yep |
| 00:42 | BobB | details? |
| 00:42 | dcook | Are you having any problems accessing Libraries Australia via z39.50? |
| 00:42 | We're getting timeouts and I want to confirm its them and not us | |
| 00:42 | BobB | no-one has said, but let check - stand by ... |
| 00:45 | dcook | Ah, it might be back up |
| 00:45 | Yep. Back up. Nevermind, BobB :) | |
| 00:46 | BobB | ah, ok, I have not had success yet |
| 00:47 | dcook | Oh? Hmm, that's not good |
| 00:47 | You can try ISBN 9780007296934 | |
| 00:47 | That should bring up some results pretty quickly | |
| 00:48 | BobB | I have a result, so its up :) |
| 00:48 | dcook | Huzzah! |
| 00:48 | They must've had an outage this morning.. | |
| 00:48 | BobB | possible, I tried from one client's account and failed, but the next one worked |
| 00:49 | so I'd better check back on the first client :) | |
| 00:50 | dcook | Good call :) |
| 00:51 | BobB | hmm, problem - at least we know before they tell us |
| 00:51 | thx dcook | |
| 00:53 | dcook | no worries. Thanks for checking |
| 00:53 | Yay cooperation! | |
| 00:55 | eythian | every so often we get someone asking us why Natlib NZ isn't working. We usually start with "it's probably down", and then actually check it. |
| 00:55 | We've not been wrong yet. | |
| 00:58 | dcook | "It's probably down", "turn it off then turn it back on again", "it's probably the pop-up blocker" |
| 00:58 | Words to live by | |
| 00:59 | eythian | heh |
| 00:59 | @excuse | |
| 00:59 | huginn | eythian: My excuse for today is "peak oil" |
| 00:59 | eythian | @excuse |
| 00:59 | huginn | eythian: My excuse for today is "peak oil" |
| 00:59 | eythian | hmm |
| 00:59 | I'm sure there were more somewhere | |
| 00:59 | wahanui: excuse | |
| 00:59 | wahanui | eythian: Someone else stole your IP address, call the Internet detectives! |
| 00:59 | eythian | wahanui: excuse |
| 00:59 | wahanui | eythian: Your Flux Capacitor has gone bad. |
| 00:59 | eythian | wahanui: excuse |
| 00:59 | wahanui | eythian: not enough memory, go get system upgrade |
| 00:59 | eythian | wahanui: excuse |
| 00:59 | wahanui | eythian: Satan did it |
| 00:59 | eythian | wahanui: excuse |
| 00:59 | wahanui | eythian: only available on a need to know basis |
| 00:59 | eythian | wahanui: excuse |
| 00:59 | wahanui | eythian: It must have been the lightning storm we had (yesterday) (last week) (last month) |
| 01:00 | eythian | wahanui: excuse |
| 01:00 | wahanui | eythian: Arcserve crashed the server again. |
| 01:00 | eythian | wahanui: excuse |
| 01:00 | wahanui | eythian: We're out of slots on the server |
| 01:00 | eythian | wahanui: excuse |
| 01:00 | wahanui | eythian: The Borg tried to assimilate your system. Resistance is futile. |
| 01:00 | eythian | wahanui: excuse |
| 01:00 | wahanui | eythian: What office are you in? Oh, that one. Did you know that your building was built over the universities first nuclear research site? And wow, aren't you the lucky one, your office is right over where the core is buried! |
| 01:00 | eythian | wahanui: excuse |
| 01:00 | wahanui | eythian: Daemons loose in system. |
| 01:00 | eythian | wahanui: excuse |
| 01:00 | wahanui | eythian: Defunct processes |
| 01:00 | eythian | wahanui: excuse |
| 01:00 | wahanui | eythian: What office are you in? Oh, that one. Did you know that your building was built over the universities first nuclear research site? And wow, aren't you the lucky one, your office is right over where the core is buried! |
| 01:00 | eythian | wahanui: excuse |
| 01:00 | wahanui | eythian: Collapsed Backbone |
| 01:00 | eythian | wahanui: excuse |
| 01:00 | wahanui | eythian: Your Pentium has a heating problem - try cooling it with ice cold water.(Do not turn off your computer, you do not want to cool down the Pentium Chip while he isn't working, do you?) |
| 01:00 | dcook | hehe |
| 01:36 | rocio left #koha | |
| 01:59 | pianohacker | grrrrrrrrr. Has anyone here configured a VPN connection through network manager successfully? |
| 01:59 | jcamins | pianohacker: years ago, yeah. It just worked. |
| 02:00 | pianohacker | I cannot get it to acknowledge the presence of any of the VPN plugins I have installed... |
| 02:00 | jcamins | pianohacker: plugins? I don't remember installing any plugins. |
| 02:00 | pianohacker | they might have been installed by default, not sure... |
| 02:00 | jcamins | rangi: happy birthday! |
| 02:01 | I just go to network connections, choose "Add," and it lets me choose a PPTP connection. | |
| 02:02 | pianohacker | jcamins: No PPTP option there. Cannot figure out what's going on |
| 02:02 | dcook | Isn't PPTP out of date? |
| 02:02 | eythian | pianohacker: have you restarted NM to get it to discover the plugins? |
| 02:02 | I'm pretty sure that's necessary | |
| 02:02 | pianohacker | eythian: have restarted dbus, network-manager and nm-applet... |
| 02:02 | jcamins | pianohacker: are you not using a deb-based system? 'Cause ignore all my comments if you're not using Ubuntu/Debian/Mint. |
| 02:03 | eythian | (I use NM for openvpn all the time, it works fine.) |
| 02:03 | pianohacker: how did you install the plugins? | |
| 02:04 | pianohacker | nope, on debian wheezy. Installed networkmanager-{pptp,vpnc,openvpn}{,-gnome} |
| 02:04 | eythian | that should do it. |
| 02:04 | I dunno why it wouldn't. | |
| 02:04 | you restarted the NM service? | |
| 02:04 | jcamins | pianohacker: did you restart the computer, just for fun? |
| 02:05 | eythian | don't swear, jcamins |
| 02:05 | jcamins | eythian: hey, I'm not the one who broke Debian! |
| 02:05 | eythian | fair point |
| 02:06 | pianohacker | jcamins: ... I don't want to but I might have to |
| 02:06 | rangi | thanks jcamins |
| 02:14 | pianohacker | I need to just bite the bullet and update... I've been putting off a system update for so long that when I installed the plugins, they updated some parts of networkmanager but not others |
| 02:14 | thus the .so's that showed the VPN configuration couldn't load | |
| 02:14 | so they were hidden (silently) | |
| 02:15 | this took an ltrace for me to figure out | |
| 02:15 | eythian | ah |
| 02:41 | dcook | Wow IE 11's emulator for IE 8 is absolute crap... |
| 02:44 | eythian | imagine that! |
| 02:45 | * dcook | stares at IE 8 |
| 02:45 | dcook | I think it's actually applying styles to a HTML comment |
| 02:46 | eythian | haha |
| 02:47 | dcook | Actually, I have absolutely no idea what it's doing... |
| 02:52 | Hmm, leaves the space that the masthead would take up with the expanded search options in the Patrons module.. | |
| 03:04 | pianohacker | what in the seven hells is going on |
| 03:05 | has anyone ever seen a hang when cache fastmmap tries to load? | |
| 03:07 | dcook | Nope, but it looks like my issue is related to the loading of Javascript... |
| 03:08 | Or something. Who knows with IE 8.. | |
| 03:16 | pianohacker | dammit. This is a really nasty problem... |
| 03:35 | eythian | rangi: you know, I think I'm going to drop the CCL terms like 'su-to' in favour of more canonical names like 'subject'. It'll make things a bit simpler, and I can't really see a downside. |
| 03:36 | though, su-to should probably really be 'topic' | |
| 03:36 | ...maybe | |
| 03:36 | eh, easy to change later. | |
| 03:36 | rangi | yeah |
| 03:38 | mtompset joined #koha | |
| 03:38 | mtompset | Greetings, #koha. |
| 03:38 | dcook, eythian: you guys around? | |
| 03:38 | eythian | yep |
| 03:38 | mtompset | I want to bounce ideas off you regarding 11592. |
| 03:39 | eythian | bug 11592 |
| 03:39 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=11592 normal, P5 - low, ---, mtompset, ASSIGNED , opac scripts do not respect MARC tag visibility |
| 03:39 | mtompset | So, I think I have GetBiblioMARC filtering internally based on parameter style. |
| 03:39 | And then I realize, I still need a filtering function. :( | |
| 03:39 | opac-showmarc.pl | |
| 03:39 | eythian | I thought you had one already |
| 03:40 | mtompset | I had moved it into GetBiblioMARC directory. |
| 03:40 | directly. | |
| 03:40 | wahanui | directly is easier... |
| 03:40 | eythian | no, that's bad |
| 03:40 | no big functions. | |
| 03:40 | mtompset | That's what I thought. :( |
| 03:44 | Well, that was easy... in a bad way. | |
| 03:46 | eythian | every functional unit should be its own function, in order to reduce maintenance headaches later on. |
| 03:46 | Also makes for easy understanding. | |
| 03:46 | Have a look at the worse parts of C4::Search, and do everything it doesn't. | |
| 03:47 | pianohacker | well, you should still write your code in Perl, but the rest, yeah, do the opposite |
| 03:50 | eythian | nice, I just found the ES thing where it treats strings like a simple search language, so you can do AND, OR, quotes, etc. |
| 03:51 | that'll make life a bit easier | |
| 03:51 | rangi | nice |
| 03:51 | people will love the quotes for phrases | |
| 03:52 | eythian | should a default search for, say shoes boots cars be "or" or "and" do you reckon? |
| 03:52 | rangi | we default to and |
| 03:52 | currently | |
| 03:52 | probably best to stick to that | |
| 03:52 | eythian | OK |
| 03:52 | rangi | however could have a pref to change the default i gues |
| 03:52 | s | |
| 03:53 | eythian | (all it takes is adding "default_operator => "AND"" to the query, so preferencising it is pretty easy.) |
| 03:53 | dcook | :D |
| 03:53 | Yeah, default of 'and' is probably best. | |
| 03:53 | The quotes will also be awesome | |
| 03:54 | eythian | yeah. and anyway, you can just do 'shoes or boots or cars' if that's what you want anyway |
| 03:55 | dcook | Could you also do '"shoes or boots" or "cars"'? |
| 03:55 | eythian | oh, also 'title:word' just works like this. |
| 03:56 | dcook: probably, but I don't quite know how to test that. | |
| 03:56 | dcook | Hmm |
| 03:56 | Four records | |
| 03:56 | eythian | actually |
| 03:56 | dcook | "Cars", "shoes", "boots", "shoes or boots" ? |
| 03:57 | eythian | it might treat "shoes or boots" like a phrase if you do that. |
| 03:57 | dcook | "shoes or boots" or "cars" would retrieve everything but "boots" |
| 03:57 | Hope so | |
| 03:57 | That would be fabulous | |
| 03:57 | eythian | you can also do name:/joh?n(ath[oa]n)/ |
| 03:58 | and qu?ck bro* | |
| 03:58 | pianohacker | eythian: so you could also do author:, isbn:, etc.? |
| 03:58 | * eythian | keeps quoting the documentation. |
| 03:58 | eythian | pianohacker: totally, yes |
| 03:58 | pianohacker | sweet! |
| 03:58 | are there any major hiccups or missing features in ES so far at all? | |
| 03:59 | eythian | http://www.elasticsearch.org/g[…]ery-string-syntax <-- basically, it's lucene syntax |
| 03:59 | pianohacker: do you mean in ES itself, or in what Koha can do with it so far? | |
| 04:00 | pianohacker | eythian: in ES itself |
| 04:00 | eythian | not that I can tell at the moment. It's lucene based, and lucene has been doing this for a very long time. |
| 04:01 | dcook | ^ |
| 04:01 | How about date ranges? | |
| 04:01 | eythian | eventually |
| 04:01 | currently everything is indexed as a string | |
| 04:01 | pianohacker | eythian: and the fact that it's java-based won't cause any deployment hiccups? |
| 04:01 | dcook | I remember that being an issue when DSpace had a homebrewed Lucene system rather than Solr |
| 04:02 | eythian | but when we get more semantics out of it, ranges can be done. |
| 04:02 | dcook | Mmm |
| 04:02 | Makes sense | |
| 04:02 | eythian | pianohacker: provided you can deploy java, no. It's pretty much a case of "build an ES cluster, point Koha at it, do a full reindex, done." |
| 04:02 | dcook | Do you need something like Tomcat or Jetty to run ES? |
| 04:03 | eythian | nah, it's standalone so far as I can tell |
| 04:03 | dcook | Whoa. That's rad. |
| 04:03 | pianohacker | eythian: OK, cool. Sorry to grill you, but excited about this |
| 04:03 | eythian | either that or it uses an embedded one. |
| 04:03 | dcook: oh: (quick OR brown) AND fox AND NOT news | |
| 04:03 | pianohacker | indeed! I know that was a pretty big roadblock with solr |
| 04:03 | dcook | I imagine embedded, but nice that we don't have to provide our own.. |
| 04:03 | eythian | yeah, it's just apt-get install, and away it goes. |
| 04:03 | dcook | eythian: That's sexy. |
| 04:03 | * dcook | wonders how hard it'll be to install from source.. |
| 04:04 | dcook | Oh well. Chance to learn and have fun I always say. |
| 04:04 | eythian | can also do: |
| 04:04 | "bool": { | |
| 04:04 | "must": { "match": "fox" }, | |
| 04:04 | "should": { "match": "quick brown" }, | |
| 04:04 | "must_not": { "match": "news" } | |
| 04:04 | } | |
| 04:04 | which is the sort of construction I'm planning to use for advanced search. | |
| 04:04 | (that's what the queries look like as I'm constructing them.) | |
| 04:04 | e.g. | |
| 04:04 | $res->{query} = { | |
| 04:04 | query_string => { | |
| 04:04 | fields => [$f], | |
| 04:04 | query => $query, | |
| 04:04 | fuzziness => $fuzzy_enabled ? 'auto' : '0', | |
| 04:04 | default_operator => "AND", | |
| 04:04 | } | |
| 04:04 | }; | |
| 04:04 | that does the lucene-like text searching | |
| 04:05 | pianohacker | oh goodness... |
| 04:05 | this is pretty spectacular | |
| 04:05 | eythian | yep |
| 04:05 | queries can get really complex if you need them to too, e.g. nesting them | |
| 04:05 | pianohacker | who knew staying on IRC until 10 at night while I fix a server would have a positive side effect? |
| 04:05 | eythian | heh |
| 04:06 | pianohacker | how's the demo site coming along? Haven't seen it since March |
| 04:06 | eythian | also has filters, which I'm debating as a method of separating biblios and authorities. |
| 04:06 | demo site? | |
| 04:06 | pianohacker | hrm, that could have been one of our own dev servers running your code |
| 04:07 | eythian | we have a demo site running plack, nothing public running ES yet. |
| 04:07 | (it's only been the past week it's really been able to produce nice results.) | |
| 04:08 | dcook: oh, I see you can do ranges on strings too | |
| 04:08 | so titles between A and M. | |
| 04:08 | pianohacker | oh cool, the shelf browser could be sped up by leaps and bounds |
| 04:09 | eythian | good point |
| 04:09 | I hadn't thought of that, but yeah | |
| 04:09 | dcook | Crap what was I thinking of.. |
| 04:09 | Oh, in terms of ditching Zebra as a z39.50 server... | |
| 04:09 | I was talking a bit to bshum earlier about what Evergreen does for their z39.50 | |
| 04:09 | eythian | hmm, filtering by locations...anyone geocode their items? :) |
| 04:10 | dcook | He didn't have all the details, but maybe there's a way around that too.. |
| 04:10 | pianohacker | eythian: if it's weird and it involves information there's not just one library that does it but an entire special interest group |
| 04:10 | dcook | eythian: how do you mean? |
| 04:10 | eythian | dcook: filter by location in lat/long |
| 04:10 | dcook | Ahhh |
| 04:10 | rangi | zebra does z3950 |
| 04:10 | dcook | I think that's available in MARC actually :p |
| 04:10 | eythian | pianohacker: you're probably right |
| 04:10 | rangi | way better than anything we could ever write |
| 04:10 | id vote to just keep it for that | |
| 04:11 | dcook | rangi: But surely we can't hold on to it forever because of that |
| 04:11 | rangi | why not? |
| 04:11 | eythian | no reason not to |
| 04:11 | rangi | at least as long as people want to run a z3950 server |
| 04:11 | dcook | Well, I would say support, but we don't use Koha as a z3950 server, so no skin off my nose I guess... |
| 04:11 | eythian | It'd be a lot more loosely integrated anyway. |
| 04:11 | rangi | yeah |
| 04:11 | dcook | eythian: Oh? |
| 04:11 | pianohacker | I think exposing a public Z39.50 server is while not _rare_ not something that will be half as common as wanting to search your catalog |
| 04:11 | dcook | If it's more loosely integrated, I would be happy |
| 04:12 | eythian | as in, no point starting it if there's no serving configured, then just something that periodically dumps new records into it. |
| 04:12 | could be done strange from ES probably. | |
| 04:12 | rangi | yep |
| 04:12 | eythian | *straight |
| 04:12 | pianohacker | rangi: Would there be any major issues with slapping a PQF parser on Net::Z3950::SimpleServer, though? |
| 04:13 | rangi | probably |
| 04:13 | itd probably explode randomly | |
| 04:13 | zebra is solid, you can pound it with queries and it keeps on answering | |
| 04:14 | pianohacker | it really does take some skill to communicate tired bitterness across the pacific ocean |
| 04:14 | rangi | the amount of config work youd have to do to get the same reliability out of a perl implementation is gonna be not worth the effort |
| 04:14 | pianohacker | rangi++ |
| 04:14 | And yeah, the reliability is a big sticking point... | |
| 04:14 | eythian | > my @params = $cgi->param("limit"); |
| 04:14 | ^-- srsly? that couldn't be called '@limits'? | |
| 04:14 | rangi | heh |
| 04:15 | pianohacker | eythian: are you reading the existing search code? |
| 04:15 | * dcook | shudders |
| 04:15 | eythian | I'm making sure that my ES search works with the existing opac-search.pl |
| 04:15 | damned if I'm going to rewrite all that | |
| 04:15 | and facets add a 'limit=' parameter, so I'm making that work now. | |
| 04:16 | dcook | Ah, maybe that's what was screwing with QP then... |
| 04:16 | * dcook | was wondering where an empty limit= parameter was coming from |
| 04:16 | dcook | Actually, I think that might be something els.. |
| 04:16 | * dcook | goes to have lunch despite the scintillating ES talk |
| 04:16 | eythian | erg |
| 04:16 | later: | |
| 04:16 | > my $params = $cgi->Vars; | |
| 04:16 | there's no way that won't get confusing: it's an arrayref. | |
| 04:16 | rangi | barf |
| 04:17 | eythian | oh, hashref |
| 04:17 | still... | |
| 04:17 | dcook | Isn't $cgi->Vars problematic when using repeated params? |
| 04:17 | eythian | I wouldn't be at all surprised. |
| 04:17 | * dcook | seems to recall reading this in the perldoc |
| 04:17 | dcook | Oh well. Food time. |
| 04:17 | * dcook | really goes this time |
| 04:18 | eythian | haha |
| 04:18 | cait joined #koha | |
| 04:18 | eythian | > my @limits = $cgi->param('limit'); |
| 04:18 | even later | |
| 04:18 | that's pretty special | |
| 04:18 | pianohacker | oh, holy cow! Vars returns multivalued parameters in a single string separated by NULs |
| 04:18 | that's also pretty special | |
| 04:18 | eythian | wat |
| 04:18 | pianohacker | that was about the reaction I had |
| 04:22 | mtompset | Sounds like old-school C strings. |
| 04:23 | Have a great day, #koha pianohacker eythian rangi dcook. | |
| 04:23 | pianohacker | mtompset: after a nice strfry or strtok, yeah... |
| 04:23 | eythian | later |
| 04:23 | pianohacker | bye mtompset |
| 04:24 | eythian | there's far too much search logic being carried around in the URLs to opac-search |
| 04:24 | oh actually | |
| 04:24 | I think it's just in opac-search | |
| 04:25 | still, not the best place for it | |
| 04:30 | pianohacker | all right, I'm closing out for the day |
| 04:30 | eythian: good luck man, you're doing really cool work | |
| 04:30 | eythian | catch you later! |
| 05:01 | join ' AND ', map { "($_)" } @parts; <-- well that's not much work to integrate limits and query strings together. | |
| 05:02 | paxed | ffs. no wonder that code didn't work. returns.pl has separate template variables for borrower stats and wrong-branch-borrower stats. borsurname vs. wborsurname. grrr... |
| 05:05 | dcook | eythian: Looking at your code has made me start to appreciate map |
| 05:05 | eythian | yeah, I end up using it a fair bit. |
| 05:05 | dcook | I used it quite a bit for something but I have no idea what it was now that I think about it |
| 05:06 | Ah, CLI utility | |
| 05:06 | Nice job, memory. | |
| 05:06 | eythian | heh |
| 05:07 | dcook | I know I've asked this before but I probably forgot...is this ES code going back into the community? |
| 05:07 | eythian | it will, yes |
| 05:07 | dcook | Exciting :) |
| 05:08 | Then we'll phase out Zebra as the search engine and just use it for z39.50 when necessary? | |
| 05:08 | eythian | that's the plan. |
| 05:08 | It's not a short term plan, mind you. | |
| 05:10 | dcook | Fair enough. How long are you thinking? |
| 05:10 | cait | i think onyl problem could be that ES is kinda complex? I still hear you talking about 3 servers for it |
| 05:10 | eythian | it's really hard to say. |
| 05:10 | cait | might not be an option for everyone |
| 05:10 | ashimema | it's too early here.. the wonders of having a daughter wake you up at 5am :( |
| 05:10 | morning all | |
| 05:10 | cait | morning ashimema |
| 05:11 | ashimema | :) |
| 05:11 | eythian | cait: you can do it on one, it's just not something I'd recommend. It'd probably work fine, and as it's not a primary data source, not the end of the world. |
| 05:11 | dcook | P.S. Check this out: https://www.google.com.au/sear[…]&es_sm=0&ie=UTF-8 |
| 05:11 | eythian | three is the recommended minimum for a robust cluster. |
| 05:11 | that might be more robust than is required though. | |
| 05:11 | dcook | MtG card as the image for a bird entry in Wikipedia |
| 05:11 | cait | eythian: i guess we could manage having more servers, but we refused solr partially because thinking about the real small libraries |
| 05:12 | well we said we can't rip out zebra/replace easily | |
| 05:12 | eythian | cait: also, it's unlikely that zebra will actually be removed for a while. |
| 05:12 | (a long while) | |
| 05:12 | cait | eythian: would you have those 3 for each customer or just 3 for ES and can have multiple kohas use that? |
| 05:12 | eythian | cait: what we'll probably do for the stuff we host is put it on our large, central ES cluster that's used for many things. |
| 05:13 | No, just one cluster for everyone. | |
| 05:13 | cait | ah ok |
| 05:13 | eythian | for self-hosting, I'm not sure yet. Maybe set up ES on the koha machine if it's got enough grunt. |
| 05:13 | cait | dcook: i guess your link works differently here than for you :) |
| 05:14 | dcook | cait: Oh? That's too bad :( |
| 05:14 | cait | i have a quite random list of google results :) |
| 05:14 | dcook | Well, just google for "Halcyon" |
| 05:15 | Hopefully it'll show a MtG card instead of a photo of a bird to the right of the results :p | |
| 05:17 | ashimema | works for me dcook.. |
| 05:17 | MtG | |
| 05:18 | eythian | ((tax) AND (subject:INCOME TAX)) AND (subject:GOODS AND SERVICES TAX) ... close, but not quite what I want... |
| 05:19 | ashimema | I'd love to see a comparison of minimum requirements for zebra vs es.. |
| 05:19 | you have my sympathies eythian.. the search code is aweful. | |
| 05:19 | have you worked out the opac supression crap yet? | |
| 05:20 | I'm still searching for a solution to that with QP | |
| 05:20 | eythian | ashimema: ES will require more resources. |
| 05:20 | I haven't even looked at it yet. The way it's currently done is really bad. | |
| 05:20 | ashimema | I assumed ES would require more.. but how much more was the real question ;) |
| 05:20 | eythian | 6908 elastics 20 0 2933m 962m 7396 S 0 50.4 337:10.45 java |
| 05:20 | that's what my test server is using | |
| 05:21 | ashimema | Yeah.. it's tacked on at the very end of the search string.. after the string's ben mangled a few times.. |
| 05:21 | makes or a really hard to fix bug with QP | |
| 05:21 | eythian | yeah. I'm expecting that I'll just "if" that block out if not using zebra and implement it separately. |
| 05:22 | ashimema | that's not so bad.. I have a feeeling there's a certain amount of FUD about regarding ES and it needing massive clusters full of high mem mahcines to even get off the ground ;) |
| 05:22 | That's a very good plan. | |
| 05:23 | that's what I tried to do with the QP stuff.. but I couldn't work out the syntax to add it in either in QP or before the QP call | |
| 05:23 | it'll get there.. I just didn't have the time to spend. | |
| 05:23 | anywho.. your doing an awesome job of ES. | |
| 05:23 | dcook | ashimema: What are you trying to figure out with the QP? |
| 05:23 | eythian | ashimema: if I were using it as a primary data store with important data, I would recommend a three node cluster. |
| 05:23 | If it's something that can be regenerated, one is enough. | |
| 05:23 | ashimema | did they catch you for an update at the dev meeting ? I gave a brief big up to you in the first one. |
| 05:24 | eythian | not really, I guess I've been flooding the channel with enough of it lately anyway :) |
| 05:24 | ashimema | dcook. see bug 10542 |
| 05:24 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10542 critical, P1 - high, ---, martin.renvoize, Failed QA , QueryParser + OpacSuppression doesn't allow search in 'all libraries' |
| 05:24 | eythian | I simply can't use the way OpacSuppresion works now, as it expects the query from the query build phase to be a string, and mine isn't, it's a ref. |
| 05:25 | ashimema | opac supression basically breaks normal searching with QP |
| 05:26 | no worries.. I just pointed at your git branch.. and suggested that you were at the stage you wanted some brave testers ;) | |
| 05:26 | which is what you said the other morning.. | |
| 05:26 | eythian | heh yeah |
| 05:26 | ashimema | that should cover it really. |
| 05:27 | dcook.. I wouldn't even bother reading my patch.. it was far too simplistic.. | |
| 05:27 | was never going to work. | |
| 05:31 | dcook | Interesting.. |
| 05:31 | wahanui | rumour has it interesting is sometimes good and sometimes bad |
| 05:33 | ashimema | that's one word for it dcook |
| 05:34 | I like QP.. I just wish it hadn't been abandoned. | |
| 05:34 | dcook | Yeah, I liked the idea of it as well |
| 05:35 | ashimema | I liked the idea of getting it to replace Search.pm in the long run.. and using it to drive the adoption of different backends. |
| 05:36 | but it needed someone to followup by supporting it and advocating it for at least a couple of years.. | |
| 05:36 | instead it was bascially dumped in and left with bugs :( | |
| 05:36 | eythian | > |
| 05:36 | Results of search for 'tax' with limit(s): 'subject:GOODS AND SERVICES TAX subject:CASE LAW subject:LEGISLATION' | |
| 05:36 | now we're getting somewhere... | |
| 05:36 | ashimema | nice work |
| 05:36 | dcook | eythian: So it's automatically treating them as phrases? |
| 05:37 | eythian | dcook: not yet, that's the next step. |
| 05:37 | dcook | eythian++ |
| 05:37 | eythian | (just for limits though.) |
| 05:37 | dcook | :/ |
| 05:37 | ashimema: Yeah, it's a tough one. | |
| 05:37 | eythian | well, that's what you want |
| 05:38 | you don't want your term to be treated as a phrase | |
| 05:38 | (unless you put quotes on it yourself) | |
| 05:38 | dcook | Right |
| 05:38 | I think I get what you're saying | |
| 05:42 | eythian | so, subject:goods and services should be subject:"goods and services" because I got there by clicking on a link to "goods and services" |
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| 05:45 | * dcook | thinks so |
| 05:45 | dcook | ashimema: did you try using ! instead of -? |
| 05:45 | This distinction (or lack thereof) between negation and disallowal is a bit ridiculous it seems.. | |
| 05:46 | I wonder a bit why we don't just add a suppression limit before "buildQuery" | |
| 05:46 | ashimema | I don't remember tbh dcook. |
| 05:46 | dcook | It would show up as a hidden field in the HTML but that shouldn't really matter |
| 05:48 | * dcook | shrugs |
| 05:48 | ashimema | I think the issue was more that If i passed the negation in before the buildQuery for QP, then qp was butchering it as I was using a different syntax to what the rest of the string was being passed in as.. |
| 05:48 | I never got to the bottom of what that syntax should be though ;) | |
| 05:48 | what would sho up in the html.. i've lost you there? | |
| 05:49 | that bug is the main reason we don't have QP turned on anywhere at the moment.. | |
| 05:49 | dcook | Yeah, the syntax would get you |
| 05:49 | ashimema | virtually all our customers use opacsupression somehow. |
| 05:49 | dcook | Actually, I might be looking at a custom version of the code so it might not show up.. |
| 05:49 | Might be using that for our stuff | |
| 05:49 | It should be easy though | |
| 05:49 | Probably something like... | |
| 05:50 | push(@operators,'not'); | |
| 05:50 | push(@operands,'1'); | |
| 05:50 | push(@indexes,'suppress'); | |
| 05:50 | QP should translate not properly from there | |
| 05:51 | ashimema | that makes some sense actually.. |
| 05:51 | hmm.. | |
| 05:51 | you've inspried me to have another go. | |
| 05:51 | dcook | \o/ |
| 05:53 | * dcook | double-checks some code |
| 05:53 | dcook | Yeah, that should work |
| 05:53 | Provided QP processes "not" correctly...which I guess it what it all hinges on.. | |
| 05:54 | We added a "search within" feature that essentially just adds a keyword search onto the original search | |
| 05:54 | ashimema | yowers.. my branch for that patch is 612 commits behind.. it's been a while ;) |
| 05:54 | dcook | Yikes! |
| 05:54 | ashimema | cool.. that's nice feature.. |
| 05:54 | dcook | Originally, I pushed to those arrays, although I wound up just using some hidden fields in the template to slim down on the code I used.. |
| 05:54 | ashimema | upsteam it, upsteram it ;) |
| 05:54 | dcook | haha |
| 05:54 | It's on the list :) | |
| 05:54 | It's one of those ones I was talking about on Facebook a while ago | |
| 05:55 | I didn't really like how we implemented it in the past, so I rewrote it and it's way better now | |
| 05:58 | ashimema | git loglol |
| 05:58 | dcook | ? |
| 05:59 | eythian | (tax) AND (subject:"INCOME TAX") |
| 05:59 | thar we go | |
| 06:00 | (tax) AND (subject:"INCOME TAX") AND (subject:"TAX LAW") | |
| 06:00 | eeeexcelent | |
| 06:00 | (guess the nature of my testing library data...:) | |
| 06:02 | dcook | hehe |
| 06:02 | eythian | while I think this "convert everything to lucene syntax" plan appears to work well, I'd quite like to actually be using the ES AST queries. |
| 06:02 | Oh well, that can happen later. | |
| 06:02 | dcook | ES AST? |
| 06:03 | eythian | when you build a structure to describe your search |
| 06:03 | rather than a string | |
| 06:03 | "multi_match" : { | |
| 06:03 | "query": "this is a test", | |
| 06:03 | "fields": [ "subject", "message" ] | |
| 06:03 | } | |
| 06:03 | like that, but they can be nested. | |
| 06:04 | (AST = Abstract Syntax Tree, it's what languages get turned into for computers to understand.) | |
| 06:08 | http://git.catalyst.net.nz/gw?[…]eb6d452af97c5139d <-- and that's all it took :) | |
| 06:08 | damn, the compatibility stuff makes things ugly. | |
| 06:09 | dcook | author and subject probably work with Zebra as well |
| 06:09 | au is just an alias for author | |
| 06:09 | Same with su and subject | |
| 06:09 | eythian | they probably do, but au and su-to won't work for ES without me making a mapping thing, which I don't want to do if I can avoid it. |
| 06:10 | (I already have one to handle the search dropdown, but that's not too terrible.) | |
| 06:10 | dcook | Yeah, mappings would be no fun |
| 06:10 | magnuse | @arewethereyet |
| 06:10 | huginn | magnuse: YES! |
| 06:10 | magnuse | woohoo! |
| 06:11 | eythian | I'll probably have to do one for advanced search, which I think will be the next thing I work on. |
| 06:12 | hi magnuse | |
| 06:12 | magnuse | kia ora eythian |
| 06:13 | more ES progress - yay! | |
| 06:13 | * magnuse | bought the book, should read it some time |
| 06:14 | eythian | I should get the book. It'd probably be useful. |
| 06:15 | magnuse | yay, i was just asked if i wanted to rename the koha apache config files (ubuntu 14.04 on my desktop) |
| 06:15 | hehe | |
| 06:15 | eythian | The online documentation has a bad habit of going almost all the way there, but leaving a lot of useful context out.) |
| 06:15 | ah, good. Running master? | |
| 06:15 | I guess you'd have to be... | |
| 06:16 | magnuse | packages |
| 06:16 | wahanui | packages is at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Debian |
| 06:16 | cait | eythian: aah, is there a plan on when you can make packages for 3.16? |
| 06:16 | magnuse | deb http://debian.koha-community.org/koha squeeze-dev main |
| 06:17 | eythian | cait: when it's out, but I did some for master which is pretty much the same. |
| 06:17 | cait | i have promised my workshop participants to update their playgrounds :) |
| 06:17 | magnuse | latest and greatest! :-) |
| 06:17 | cait | for testing it seems appropriate |
| 06:17 | eythian | yeah |
| 06:17 | magnuse | just make sure to tell them that we don't usually use .0 in production :-) |
| 06:17 | cait | well someone must.. or we would never find the bugs :) |
| 06:18 | magnuse | i will probably upgrade the server with the private and demo installations pretty soon |
| 06:18 | cait | cool :) |
| 06:19 | dcook | cait: Once and never again ;) |
| 06:20 | ashimema | dcook.. your advise doesn't seem to have fixed the qp problem :( |
| 06:20 | and now my debugger doesn't seem to be wanting to wrok.. so I can't trace it :( | |
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| 06:21 | dcook | ashimema: Dinger :( |
| 06:21 | When you do it before buildQuery does it work for non-QP? | |
| 06:21 | And just breaks for QP? | |
| 06:21 | Or doesn't work for either? | |
| 06:22 | magnuse | eythian: with squeeze-dev "apt-cache policy" now says i have "3.16~git+20140521105956.3f9a8ccc" is that the RC, or did you travel in time in your sleep and build the packages for the new release already? |
| 06:22 | dcook | maguse: eythian and I do live in the future :p |
| 06:22 | eythian | It's master, I updated the build script to be 3.16. Once it's out master will become 3.17. |
| 06:22 | also what dcook said :) | |
| 06:23 | magnuse | ah, of course :-) |
| 06:27 | eythian | http://www.metservice.com/warnings/home <-- well that doesn't look great for the next few days |
| 06:28 | cait | ok have to go- cya al llater |
| 06:28 | dcook | later cait |
| 06:28 | yikes, eythian | |
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| 06:30 | eythian | https://lh5.googleusercontent.[…]76974728743_o.png <-- a bit more clear |
| 06:31 | magnuse | whoa, that's a lot of severe weather! |
| 06:40 | ashimema | dcook.. |
| 06:40 | in a word.. nope.. | |
| 06:40 | eythian | oop, someone has set an alarm off on another floor here. |
| 06:41 | ashimema | pushing at the arrays jsut breask search all together. qp or no qp |
| 06:42 | No idea why though :( | |
| 06:42 | magnuse | eythian: an alarm warning about the presence of object oriented programming? |
| 06:42 | eythian | heh |
| 06:42 | probably someone forgetting the alarm code | |
| 06:42 | ashimema | though I do get the feeling I did this before now.. I couldn't work out how to move the suppress block to before the buildQuery |
| 06:43 | hense.. adding the if to keep the old code as was.. and only try adding the supression before the buildQuery should QP turned on. | |
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| 06:47 | marcelr | hi #koha |
| 06:49 | dcook | Hmm |
| 06:55 | I suppose it's possible you might need to use "suppress:" for your index | |
| 06:55 | rather than "suppress" | |
| 06:55 | But looking at "parseQuery", I don't think it's going to parse "not" correctly | |
| 06:56 | ashimema: Would have to poke around more and don't have time tonight :( | |
| 06:56 | ashimema | no worries |
| 06:57 | magnuse | dcook++ ashimema++ for poking |
| 06:58 | ashimema | advanced search and normal search handle this stuff so differently :( |
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| 06:58 | alex_a | bonjour |
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| 06:59 | reiveune | hello |
| 07:00 | eythian | wahanui: you've been quiet |
| 07:00 | wahanui | eythian: huh? |
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| 07:04 | eythian | oh well, I'm outta here now. Hopefully tomorrow can be making advanced search work. |
| 07:05 | ashimema | this is weird.. the arrays are getting all mixed up lengths. |
| 07:08 | dcook | dinger :/ |
| 07:08 | But I gotta run | |
| 07:08 | Catch you all tomorrow! | |
| 07:11 | magnuse | have fun dcook |
| 07:11 | ...and eythian | |
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| 07:16 | nlegrand | goeiedag #koha! |
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| 07:19 | magnuse | hiya cait nlegrand fridolin |
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| 07:24 | cait | hi magnuse and nlegrand |
| 07:26 | Joubu | oops, it seems I missed the meeting yesterday :-/ |
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| 07:45 | ashimema | Many did Joubu |
| 07:46 | * ashimema | is giving up on bug 10542 again.. |
| 07:46 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10542 critical, P1 - high, ---, martin.renvoize, Failed QA , QueryParser + OpacSuppression doesn't allow search in 'all libraries' |
| 07:46 | fridolin | whouuuuu, I just found how to go far with XSLT by using "following-sibling::" |
| 07:47 | it allows to select next subfield depending on its code : following-sibling::marc:subfield[1][@code='e'] | |
| 07:48 | really handfull for 200$a:200$e repeatable | |
| 07:48 | magnuse | yay! |
| 07:51 | fridolin | but I'm better with JQuery. Whe should have a loog at Node.js |
| 07:52 | magnuse | rewrite koha in node? ;-) |
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| 07:55 | edda | hi |
| 07:55 | i need helps | |
| 07:56 | is anyone here | |
| 07:57 | ??? | |
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| 07:58 | edda | hi |
| 07:58 | hello | |
| 08:00 | ashimema | just ask away edda.. if anyone knows the answer they'll pipe up |
| 08:01 | * magnuse | waves to boutros |
| 08:04 | boutros | hei magnus! |
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| 08:09 | atheia | Good morning |
| 08:09 | magnuse | hiya atheia |
| 08:10 | ashimema | Morning atheia |
| 08:12 | fridolin | magnuse: just replace de xslt processus |
| 08:12 | ;) | |
| 08:13 | atheia | I totally missed the development meeting yesterday. |
| 08:14 | Particularly jarring as I had several notices lying around to remind me! | |
| 08:14 | :-/ | |
| 08:14 | (not to mention the email reminder…) | |
| 08:14 | magnuse | alarm on your phone next time? ;-) |
| 08:15 | ashimema | it's ok.. we only colunteered you for the Search.pm re-write. |
| 08:16 | s/colunteered/volunteered/ | |
| 08:16 | ;) | |
| 08:17 | atheia | 8-| |
| 08:17 | *gulp* | |
| 08:17 | I like 'colunteered' though: captures the idea of volunteering by conscription quite nicely… :-) | |
| 08:19 | ashimema | hehe.. |
| 08:21 | magnuse | typo neologisms FTF! |
| 08:21 | (for the fun...) | |
| 08:22 | atheia | magnuse: indeed, alarm would have been a good idea — maybe it's time that I too enter the brave new era of alarm clocks ;-) |
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| 08:48 | cait | atheia: i think it was quite quiet |
| 08:48 | it seemed someone from indexdata was at the first meeting, but noone semed to notice much? | |
| 08:48 | i was not there either | |
| 08:48 | atheia | ah, k. Thanks cait. |
| 08:49 | ashimema | really.. someone from indexdata was at the first meeting? |
| 08:49 | I certainly didn't notice that. | |
| 08:49 | didn't know anyone from there lurked on here. | |
| 08:50 | cait | maybe i misread |
| 08:53 | fridolin | cait: no, I noticed also : wosch: #info Wolfram Schneider, IndexData |
| 08:53 | cait | ah thx frido |
| 08:53 | was about to look for the logs :) | |
| 08:54 | fridolin | yep, I have an hisoty plugin in my Pidgin for that |
| 08:55 | magnuse | yeah, i had a quick lurk-in at the start of the meeting and noticed IndexData |
| 08:55 | Joubu | please SO and QA bug 12292 |
| 08:55 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=12292 major, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , Members are restricted even if the debarment is ended - moremember.pl |
| 08:56 | Joubu | It should be in 3.16 |
| 08:56 | cait | i can't :( |
| 08:56 | have an important project to finish today and tonight will be too late | |
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| 08:57 | edra | hello |
| 08:57 | wahanui | hey, edra |
| 08:58 | edra | I am new in koha |
| 08:58 | i am try to follin a manula to install it | |
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| 09:07 | edra | hello |
| 09:07 | wahanui | niihau, edra |
| 09:07 | edra | can you help me please |
| 09:07 | ? | |
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| 09:36 | ada | hello |
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| 11:01 | ashimema | OK.. I'm happy to sign-off or QA bug 12292 |
| 11:01 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=12292 major, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , Members are restricted even if the debarment is ended - moremember.pl |
| 11:02 | ashimema | does anyone want to sign it off so I can QA it as there are fewer qa'ers than signoffers? |
| 11:02 | or the other way around if anyone's listening ;) | |
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| 12:14 | oleonard | Hi #koha |
| 12:16 | ashimema | Hi oleanard.. |
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| 13:20 | bgkriegel | ashimema: 12292 signed |
| 13:20 | ashimema | cheers.. |
| 13:21 | tcohen | morning bgkriegel ashimema |
| 13:21 | ashimema | morning tcohen |
| 13:22 | bgkriegel | hi tcohen :) |
| 13:22 | rambutan | @wunder 64507 |
| 13:22 | huginn | rambutan: The current temperature in Wyatt Park, St Joseph, Missouri is 13.8°C (8:22 AM CDT on May 22, 2014). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 92%. Dew Point: 13.0°C. Pressure: 30.19 in 1022 hPa (Rising). |
| 13:24 | ashimema | must be one of the fastest QA's ever.. :) |
| 13:24 | @wunder Stevenage, UK | |
| 13:24 | huginn | ashimema: The current temperature in Pin Green, Stevenage, United Kingdom is 15.9°C (2:22 PM BST on May 22, 2014). Conditions: Rain. Humidity: 87%. Dew Point: 14.0°C. Pressure: 29.56 in 1001 hPa (Steady). |
| 13:25 | magnuse | bug 12292 |
| 13:26 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=12292 major, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Passed QA , Members are restricted even if the debarment is ended - moremember.pl |
| 13:26 | magnuse | @wunder boo |
| 13:26 | huginn | magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 11.0°C (3:20 PM CEST on May 22, 2014). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 82%. Dew Point: 8.0°C. Pressure: 29.86 in 1011 hPa (Steady). |
| 13:27 | ashimema | I don't imagine it'll make 3.16.0.. unless gmcharlt is especially keen on his bz watching at the moment, and feeling nice ;) |
| 13:29 | Joubu | thanks bgkriegel and ashimema! |
| 13:32 | bgkriegel | that was fastQA :) |
| 13:32 | ashimema | it helped that I'd already basically tested it all bgkriegel.. |
| 13:33 | hence why I asked for a signoff.. QA was then super easy ;) | |
| 13:34 | bgkriegel | good :) |
| 13:36 | magnuse | so, how do we mock something like Koha::Database->new->schema->resultset('Borrower')->find( $input->{'borrowernumber'} ); in a test? |
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| 14:26 | magnuse | @seen Blou |
| 14:26 | huginn | magnuse: Blou was last seen in #koha 15 weeks, 3 days, 12 hours, 39 minutes, and 53 seconds ago: <blou> thanks |
| 14:32 | Joubu | bgkriegel: thanks for your quick rebase! |
| 14:32 | About your last patch on Bug 12061 - tmpl_process3.pl - Include/exclude file by name | |
| 14:32 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=12061 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, bgkriegel, Needs Signoff , tmpl_process3.pl new features |
| 14:33 | Joubu | -m isn't it the same as -f ? |
| 14:33 | bgkriegel | :) |
| 14:33 | working now on 11726 | |
| 14:34 | Joubu | see bug 9161 |
| 14:34 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9161 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, RESOLVED FIXED, Translate only specific files |
| 14:36 | bgkriegel | Joubu: -m is for something like '*string*' |
| 14:36 | huginn | New commit(s) kohagit: Translation updates for 3.16.00 final release <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]b8206001c57bea817> |
| 14:36 | bgkriegel | not exact name |
| 14:37 | Joubu | bgkriegel: yes, same as -f :) |
| 14:38 | bgkriegel | well :) |
| 14:38 | Joubu | -f main will update/install opac-main and intranet-main |
| 14:38 | bgkriegel | then i will rethink it |
| 14:39 | those are to made possible Bug 7939 | |
| 14:39 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7939 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, bgkriegel, Needs Signoff , Separate po files for different MARC dialects |
| 14:39 | bgkriegel | now I need to run, thanks! |
| 14:41 | bag | good morning |
| 14:42 | magnuse: HI THERE | |
| 14:42 | heya magnuse once we're done concentrating on getting elastic in - I'll be turning my attention to RDF - so I will plan on bugging you bunches then :) | |
| 14:43 | but anytime you want to talk about whay you are doing - would be rad man :) | |
| 14:47 | jenkins_koha | Starting build #1761 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS) |
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| 15:05 | reiveune | bye |
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| 15:11 | magnuse | bag: HI |
| 15:11 | bag: bug away! | |
| 15:11 | bag | bug bug bug |
| 15:11 | you are using catmandu right? | |
| 15:12 | magnuse | i have played with it a bit |
| 15:12 | the rdf stuff i have almost ready for koha is not using it | |
| 15:12 | because it's just querying a sparql endpoint and getting json back | |
| 15:12 | but if we want to do marc2rdf in koha catmandu would be my weapon of choice | |
| 15:14 | bag | cool yeah we're using catmandu for elastic |
| 15:14 | so that was going to be where I was interesting in putting some energy - marc2rdf | |
| 15:16 | magnuse | rangi had something almost done, but not using catmandu |
| 15:16 | shouldn't be too hard to rewrite that with catmandu | |
| 15:36 | oleonard | Has anyone ever used the SUGGEST_STATUS authorised value category to add suggestions statuses? I'm trying to figure out if it actually does anything. |
| 15:38 | fridolin | bye |
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| 15:40 | fridolin | khall : have a look at email adresse in Bug 11572 its sort of corrupted |
| 15:40 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=11572 trivial, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Pushed to Stable , Keyword searches no longer detect isbn from "Search the catalog" |
| 15:40 | khall | heh, yep, that's odd |
| 15:41 | fridolin | maybe you had a bat git configuration |
| 15:41 | khall | but fixing it would require rewriting the git history |
| 15:41 | fridolin | khall: no big deal |
| 15:41 | khall | I must have written it somewhere other than my traditional development system |
| 15:41 | * gmcharlt | shivers |
| 15:41 | fridolin | khall: just check your current git config |
| 15:41 | gmcharlt | "rewrite Git history"... |
| 15:42 | * oleonard | goes back in time and kills git's great-grandfather |
| 15:42 | fridolin | :D |
| 15:42 | khall | yeah, I don't for rewriting the git history just to get credit. Plus this way no one will know who to blame ; ) |
| 15:42 | fridolin | Einstein paradoxe i think |
| 15:44 | bye | |
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| 15:47 | cait | oleonard: it does but it's breaking things for the tabbed view currently - there is a patch from kyle and one from me - i have that on my list |
| 15:48 | oleonard | cait: How is it used? I added a SUGGEST_STATUS value but I don't see it anywhere. |
| 16:02 | cait | hm i think it should just show up as a new tab |
| 16:03 | maybe those can give you a clue | |
| 16:03 | bug 10519 | |
| 16:03 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10519 normal, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, Failed QA , Suggestions: 'Organize by' and correct display of tab descriptions broken |
| 16:04 | cait | bug 12257 |
| 16:04 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=12257 normal, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Needs Signoff , Suggestions management displays all librarians as "Unknown" |
| 16:05 | * ashimema | is finally starting to get to grips with dbic.. though not yet in the koha context. |
| 16:06 | cait | still good :) |
| 16:06 | ashimema++ | |
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| 16:18 | oleonard | cait: I can't see where to add the custom status to a suggestion. All the options are the default ones. |
| 16:19 | cait | oleonard: hm i think it used to work for me |
| 16:19 | not sure what might have happened - did you check the authorized value name? | |
| 16:21 | oleonard | Do you mean the authorized value category? |
| 16:26 | cait | ah yes, sorry, too many widows |
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| 17:01 | huginn | New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 12292: ensure that patrons are not displayed as restricted even when the last... <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]003abee00aa3f7e89> |
| 17:06 | jenkins_koha | Project Koha_master build #1761: SUCCESS in 2 hr 21 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]Koha_master/1761/ |
| 17:06 | Bernardo Gonzalez Kriegel: Translation updates for 3.16.00 final release | |
| 17:10 | Starting build #1762 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS) | |
| 17:21 | magnuse | \o/ |
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| 18:36 | * gmcharlt | slaps forehad |
| 18:36 | slaps forehead again | |
| 18:36 | bgkriegel | what for? |
| 18:37 | gmcharlt | for bug 10500, it didn't occur to me that a work-around would be to be add code to disable UseQueryParser temporarily (and locally) when doing record matching with AggressiveMatchOnISBN on |
| 18:37 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10500 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Pushed to Master , Improve isbn matching when importing records |
| 18:41 | gmcharlt | oleonard: just for you, in the release notes, I'm ensuring that "Public catalog" is used instead of "OPAC" |
| 18:42 | oleonard | Uh... Okay? |
| 18:42 | gmcharlt | oleonard: from the discussing about that at KohaCon? |
| 18:43 | cait | i think rangi was one of the people voting against calling it OPAC |
| 18:43 | * oleonard | doesn't remember anything before lunchtime |
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| 18:43 | cait | heh |
| 18:53 | rambutan | vcard catalog? |
| 18:58 | rangi | No one except librarians and ppl over 30 have ever heard of an OPAC |
| 18:58 | jcamins | Don't trust them! |
| 18:58 | oleonard | Man, librarians over 30 are the worst. |
| 18:59 | magnuse | yikes! |
| 18:59 | rangi | Actually most special librarians haven't either |
| 18:59 | I'm bored of explaining what an OPAC is :) | |
| 19:00 | Now I have to get the kids ready for school | |
| 19:01 | jcamins | Unless they're over thirty, in which case they don't believe in the age of aquarius. |
| 19:02 | magnuse | the kids? |
| 19:02 | wahanui | the kids are all awake already |
| 19:02 | jcamins | The special librarians. |
| 19:02 | Though if the kids are over thirty, they probably don't believe in the age of aquarius either. | |
| 19:14 | jenkins_koha | Project Koha_master build #1762: SUCCESS in 2 hr 6 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]Koha_master/1762/ |
| 19:15 | Jonathan Druart: Bug 12292: ensure that patrons are not displayed as restricted even when the last restriction has expired | |
| 19:15 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=12292 major, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , Members are restricted even if the debarment is ended - moremember.pl |
| 19:37 | oleonard | Oh boy... Looks like batch-modding a checked-out item's collection code checks it in. Surprise! |
| 19:38 | cait | ew |
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| 20:17 | huginn | New commit(s) kohagit: update release notes for 3.16.0 (human) <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]5e68998043ce9afc2> / update of release notes for 3.16.0 (automatic) <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]43a03b47f3a13fc5d> |
| 20:18 | cait | oooh release notes |
| 20:18 | wahanui | release notes are in misc/release_notes |
| 20:18 | cait | my favourite bed time reading :) |
| 20:18 | * gmcharlt | blinks |
| 20:18 | cait | what? :) |
| 20:18 | rangi | heh |
| 20:19 | gmcharlt | http://git.koha-community.org/[…]_16_0.txt;hb=HEAD |
| 20:21 | ashimema | you doing shiny html release notes gmcharlt... |
| 20:21 | * ashimema | remembers a conversation with Paul P about his release ntoes form a few versions back ;) |
| 20:22 | gmcharlt | ashimema: nope, but I hopefully have made the new features and enhancements section actually worth reading |
| 20:22 | ashimema | :) |
| 20:22 | sounds good to me.. | |
| 20:32 | jenkins_koha | Starting build #1763 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS) |
| 20:33 | * cait | got distracted |
| 20:33 | cait | reading now :) |
| 20:37 | magnuse | "Vi oppgraderer fra Koha 3.15.00.052 til 3.16.00.000. Du må oppdater databasen" :-) |
| 20:37 | huginn | New commit(s) kohagit: stamp Koha 3.16.0 <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]3645368f7a69402e5> |
| 20:38 | magnuse | gah, i let one "unconsistent %s count" slip through for nb-NO |
| 20:38 | cait | ah |
| 20:38 | annoying | |
| 20:41 | magnuse | so when is it official? when jenkins calls it a success? |
| 20:43 | <meta name="generator" content="Koha 3.1600000" /> :-) | |
| 20:43 | * magnuse | is excited :-) |
| 20:44 | cait | :) |
| 20:52 | gmcharlt | http://koha-community.org/koha-3-16-0-released/ |
| 20:52 | Topic for #koha is now Koha 3.16.0 is available! Next dev meeting is at 15:00 and 22:00 UTC on 21 May 2014. Next general meeting is 3 and 4 June 2014 at 22:00 and 15:00 UTC. Welcome to the IRC home of Koha http://koha-community.org. Please use http://paste.koha-community.org for pastes. | |
| 20:52 | magnuse | woohoo! |
| 20:52 | gmcharlt++ | |
| 20:53 | cait | gmcharlt++ |
| 20:53 | magnuse | and then some! |
| 20:53 | gmcharlt | all_you_all++ |
| 20:53 | cait | gmcharlt++ again! :) |
| 20:53 | bgkriegel | gmcharl++ and all++! |
| 20:53 | cait | bgkriegel++ |
| 20:54 | rangi | yay! |
| 20:54 | bgkriegel | cait++ |
| 20:56 | cait | confetti! |
| 20:56 | wahanui | somebody said confetti was http://25.media.tumblr.com/tum[…]1qh8hleo1_400.gif |
| 20:57 | bag | here here!!! gmcharlt++ |
| 20:58 | rambutan | gmcharlt++ |
| 20:58 | jeff | gmcharlt++ |
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| 21:03 | cait | gmcharlt++ |
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| 21:11 | huginn | New commit(s) kohagit: DBRev 3.17.00.000: ever onward <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]73987b70d1c756f67> |
| 21:12 | nengard left #koha | |
| 21:12 | cait | :) |
| 21:21 | huginn | New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 12211: fix wrong home link in bootstrap public catalog login page <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]9f03c03a29c28f311> / Bug 12106: fix capitalization: "Patron Attributes" on tools/patron import <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]0012ce3547aed76e0> / Bug 12184: fix typo "retricted" on checkin page <http://git.koha- |
| 21:22 | cait | and off we are to the next awesome release... |
| 21:22 | :) | |
| 21:24 | bgkriegel | Oh encoding! Frédérick for Frédéric and all diacritics (release notes on k-c.org) :( |
| 21:28 | gmcharlt | bgkriegel: I have correct it; thanks for bringing it to my attention |
| 21:28 | bgkriegel | good :) |
| 21:29 | * cait | likes release days |
| 21:29 | bgkriegel | perfect now :) |
| 21:29 | cait | ooh i think i missed adding bug 10811 to german |
| 21:30 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10811 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, dcook, Pushed to Master , Add a 999$c record matching rule to the MARC21 defaults |
| 21:30 | cait | *sigh* |
| 21:40 | gmcharlt | cait: it occurs to me that bug 10936 presents a question of organizing things |
| 21:40 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10936 minor, P5 - low, ---, jesse, Passed QA , Standardnumber doubled up in Advanced search - more options |
| 21:40 | gmcharlt | the prog follow-up doesn't really belong in master |
| 21:40 | cait | ah because we are deprecating it soon? |
| 21:41 | gmcharlt | and (putting my 3.16.x RMaint hat on) I'm not too inclined to push it to 3.16.x so as to not encourage people to stick to prog |
| 21:41 | however, it's perfectly suitable for 3.14.x and earlier | |
| 21:41 | I wonder if the bug should be split | |
| 21:41 | or if we need some sort of additional status | |
| 21:41 | cait | it's removing one line... and it's a little annoying bug |
| 21:41 | not sure it would encourage people :) | |
| 21:41 | gmcharlt | e.g., "passed QA for maintenance branches" |
| 21:42 | yeah, I'm not morally opposed to pushing it all the way, including to 3.16.x | |
| 21:42 | cait | i think removing the themes soon from master would be good |
| 21:43 | and no new features for prog/ccsr of course | |
| 21:43 | i think if we find we broke somthing badly for 3.16 we shoudl still fix | |
| 21:44 | gmcharlt | yeah, but only if it's horrendous |
| 21:44 | cait | but there is probably a lot in between. hm. |
| 21:53 | huginn | New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 10936: (prog theme) remove duplicate 'Standard number' option in Advanced search <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]734b6bf28e7e3bd84> / Bug 10936: remove duplicate 'Standard number' option in Advanced search <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]c57ffe1e37eb6f171> |
| 21:54 | rangi | http://grooveshark.com/#!/ranginui/broadcast |
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| 22:30 | eythian | hi |
| 22:31 | cait | hi eythian :) |
| 22:33 | eythian | ohh, it's steak Friday today. |
| 22:36 | Looks like the order of the morning is 3.16 packages. | |
| 22:37 | cait | :) :) |
| 22:37 | right eythian :) and good night everyone | |
| 22:37 | cait left #koha | |
| 22:37 | eythian | "It is now possible to mark strings in the Perl source code for translation" <-- what on earth is that |
| 22:37 | bye cait | |
| 22:38 | ahh, gettext support | |
| 22:38 | rangi | bug 8044 |
| 22:38 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8044 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, julian.maurice, Pushed to Master , Localization for Perl scripts and modules |
| 22:38 | eythian | I was thinking some crazy conversion process for scripts like happens with templates |
| 22:40 | rangi | ah yeah no :) |
| 22:40 | its runtime, i think i still prefer the pre creation of templates for speed, but when you have to have strings in the perl, not in a template, this makes sense | |
| 22:41 | (im guessing cron jobs that dont use templates or something) | |
| 22:43 | eythian | yeah |
| 22:43 | I have like that requiring translation has helped push the display logic all the way out to the templates. | |
| 22:43 | rangi | *nod* |
| 22:51 | jenkins_koha | Project Koha_master build #1763: SUCCESS in 2 hr 21 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]Koha_master/1763/ |
| 22:51 | * Galen Charlton: update of release notes for 3.16.0 (automatic) | |
| 22:51 | * Galen Charlton: update release notes for 3.16.0 (human) | |
| 22:53 | rangi | gmcharlt: is your jenkins node down? |
| 22:54 | gmcharlt | rangi: no |
| 22:55 | rangi | ill give jenkins a kicking then |
| 22:56 | gmcharlt | eythian: yeah, I think the main win is localizing command-line scripts if folks feel so inclined |
| 22:56 | eythian | seems reasonable |
| 22:56 | gmcharlt | hoping it doesn't open the door for folks to move display logic outside of the templates |
| 22:57 | though no doubt there will always be the few edge cases where it's just easier to build a string inside a script | |
| 22:57 | eythian | probably, though it'll hopefully be heavily frowned upon. |
| 22:58 | gmcharlt | agreed |
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| 23:03 | rangi | @later tell tcohen can you please make a db on your jenkins node called koha_3_16 (default user and password) |
| 23:03 | huginn | rangi: The operation succeeded. |
| 23:03 | jenkins_koha | Starting build #473 for job Koha_Docs (previous build: SUCCESS) |
| 23:04 | Project Koha_Docs build #473: SUCCESS in 4 min 1 sec: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]ob/Koha_Docs/473/ | |
| 23:04 | * Nicole C. Engard: update overdrive info | |
| 23:04 | * Nicole C. Engard: fix typo | |
| 23:04 | * Nicole C. Engard: add OpacSuggestionManagedBy | |
| 23:04 | * Nicole C. Engard: correct references to marc to say marc21 | |
| 23:04 | * Nicole C. Engard: update DefaultLanguageField008 | |
| 23:04 | * Nicole C. Engard: update DefaultLanguageField008 | |
| 23:04 | * Nicole C. Engard: fix marc reference | |
| 23:04 | * Nicole C. Engard: remove references to road type admin | |
| 23:04 | * Nicole C. Engard: add OpacMaxItemsToDisplay | |
| 23:04 | * Nicole C. Engard: add MaxItemsForBatch | |
| 23:04 | * Nicole C. Engard: remove memberofinstitution | |
| 23:04 | * Nicole C. Engard: add CardnumberLength | |
| 23:04 | * Nicole C. Engard: add new library specific news info | |
| 23:04 | * Nicole C. Engard: add department authorized value | |
| 23:04 | * Nicole C. Engard: fix typo | |
| 23:04 | * Nicole C. Engard: add No renewals before to circ rules | |
| 23:04 | * Nicole C. Engard: add OPACMySummaryNote | |
| 23:04 | * Nicole C. Engard: add new updatecharges permissions | |
| 23:04 | * Nicole C. Engard: add NoLoginInstructions | |
| 23:04 | * Nicole C. Engard: add caption to OPACMySummaryNote | |
| 23:04 | * Nicole C. Engard: add AdvancedSearchLanguages | |
| 23:04 | * Nicole C. Engard: add AdvancedSearchLanguages to checklist | |
| 23:04 | * Nicole C. Engard: update OpacAllowSharingPrivateLists | |
| 23:04 | * Nicole C. Engard: update lists info with new OpacAllowSharingPrivateLists feature | |
| 23:04 | * Nicole C. Engard: add AllowMultipleIssuesOnABiblio | |
| 23:04 | * Nicole C. Engard: add DisplayLibraryFacets | |
| 23:04 | * Nicole C. Engard: add new notice template option | |
| 23:04 | * Nicole C. Engard: update notice triggers | |
| 23:04 | * Nicole C. Engard: update notices with more templates | |
| 23:04 | * Nicole C. Engard: add SpecifyReturnDate | |
| 23:04 | * Nicole C. Engard: add SpecifyReturnDate info to check in | |
| 23:04 | * Nicole C. Engard: update currencies with ISO | |
| 23:04 | * Nicole C. Engard: add BlockExpiredPatronOpacActions | |
| 23:04 | * Nicole C. Engard: update patron categories with blocking pref | |
| 23:04 | * Nicole C. Engard: add EnableSearchHistory | |
| 23:04 | * Nicole C. Engard: add AggressiveMatchOnISBN | |
| 23:04 | * Nicole C. Engard: add reference to AggressiveMatchOnISBN to staging records | |
| 23:04 | * Nicole C. Engard: add MarcFieldsToOrder | |
| 23:04 | * Nicole C. Engard: update order from staged file | |
| 23:04 | * Nicole C. Engard: link marcfieldstoorder to staged order | |
| 23:04 | * Nicole C. Engard: add order from hold ratio | |
| 23:04 | * Nicole C. Engard: update cataloging with reference to hiding marc tags | |
| 23:04 | * Nicole C. Engard: update edit items | |
| 23:04 | * Nicole C. Engard: update edit items tab image | |
| 23:04 | * Nicole C. Engard: note that Feed is not an option for notices yet | |
| 23:04 | * Nicole C. Engard: add cron job definition | |
| 23:08 | Starting build #1764 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS) | |
| 23:10 | Starting build #43 for job Koha_Docs_3.14.x (previous build: SUCCESS) | |
| 23:10 | Project Koha_Docs_3.14.x build #43: SUCCESS in 1 min 9 sec: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]a_Docs_3.14.x/43/ | |
| 23:10 | * Nicole C. Engard: update overdrive info | |
| 23:10 | * Nicole C. Engard: fix typo | |
| 23:10 | * Nicole C. Engard: add cron job definition | |
| 23:16 | Starting build #61 for job Koha_Docs_3.12.x (previous build: SUCCESS) | |
| 23:16 | Project Koha_Docs_3.12.x build #61: SUCCESS in 27 sec: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]a_Docs_3.12.x/61/ | |
| 23:16 | * Nicole C. Engard: fix typo | |
| 23:16 | * Nicole C. Engard: add cron job definition | |
| 23:18 | rangi | http://clavius.tij.uia.mx/ <-- pretty |
| 23:18 | jenkins_koha | Project Koha_3.16.x build #1: FAILURE in 11 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]ob/Koha_3.16.x/1/ |
| 23:23 | Starting build #457 for job master_maria (previous build: FAILURE -- last SUCCESS #442 1 mo 1 day ago) | |
| 23:28 | eythian | so it seems when you squish commits it takes the date of the first one. I spend a few moments squinting confusedly at |
| 23:28 | 5bf19357 (Robin Sheat 2013-12-30 15:04:26 +1300 5) -- Robin Sheat <robincatalyst.net.nz> Thu, 01 May 2014 17:19:40 +1200 |
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| 23:28 | (i.e. how a note from 2014 could have been committed last year.) | |
| 23:29 | jenkins_koha | Project Koha_3.16.x build #2: STILL FAILING in 10 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]ob/Koha_3.16.x/2/ |
| 23:30 | * eythian | prepares 3.16.00 packages |
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| 23:43 | eythian | hi papa, tcohen |
| 23:43 | tcohen | hi eythian ! |
| 23:44 | rangi: done | |
| 23:45 | eythian | 3.16 packages uploading |
| 23:45 | * eythian | goes to lunch |
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