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| 00:02 | bag | ah cool thanks eythian and rangi - perhaps later tonight :) |
| 00:04 | pianohacker | dcook: You read the real-life implementation part of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I[…]fe_implementation ? |
| 00:04 | check dat pinmg | |
| 00:04 | *ping | |
| 00:05 | dcook | Nopes. Just read the first bit :p |
| 00:08 | Ahhhh | |
| 00:08 | They reference the later bit in the earlier bit | |
| 00:08 | I thought that was just a joke :p | |
| 00:10 | pianohacker | http://www.blug.linux.no/rfc1149/ |
| 00:11 | dcook | Damn it. Now I"m going to think about IPoAC all day :p |
| 00:11 | (Well that and chocolate, but the pigeons are a tad bit more interesting) | |
| 00:12 | Well not really IPoAC I guess | |
| 00:12 | More so just using pigeons to carry stuff... | |
| 00:12 | * dcook | checks to see if his office's windows open |
| 00:12 | dcook | Nope. That's a bit of a barrier to using pigeons, alas. |
| 00:13 | pianohacker | ooh |
| 00:13 | IP over quadcopter! | |
| 00:15 | dcook | Install some anti-theft devices and it's more secure than the internet :p |
| 00:15 | Actually, still more secure even without the anti-theft devices | |
| 00:15 | Well... | |
| 00:15 | In any case, I suggest you make this a reality, pianohacker ;) | |
| 00:20 | It is also highly recommended that you implement a rollback strategy for any virtual machines that you download. This could be as simple as holding onto the original archive that you downloaded, or you could take advantage of your virtualization platform’s snapshotting capability so that you can start over with a fresh VM at any time and not have to worry about the guest operating system running out of trial time. | |
| 00:20 | wahanui | okay, dcook. |
| 00:20 | dcook | Damn it |
| 00:20 | wahanui: forget it | |
| 00:20 | wahanui | dcook: I forgot it |
| 00:20 | dcook | That's right |
| 00:20 | wahanui | I know. |
| 00:20 | eythian | that would have been a great factoid. |
| 00:20 | wahanui: status | |
| 00:20 | wahanui | Since Thu May 15 22:14:16 2014, there have been 87 modifications and 27 questions. I have been awake for 5 days, 2 hours, 6 minutes, 28 seconds this session, and currently reference 37363 factoids. Addressing is in optional mode. |
| 00:20 | dcook | It is also highly recommended that you implement a rollback strategy for any virtual machines that you download. This could be as simple as holding onto the original archive that you downloaded, or you could take advantage of your virtualization platform’s snapshotting capability so that you can start over with a fresh VM at any time and not have to worry about the guest operating system running out of trial time. |
| 00:20 | Interesting.. | |
| 00:21 | wahanui | i think interesting is sometimes good and sometimes bad |
| 00:21 | * dcook | is trying out Microsoft's "IE development" VMs |
| 00:21 | dcook | Wondered how they enforced the trial times... |
| 00:47 | * dcook | twitches |
| 00:47 | dcook | Take forever to download Microsoft's IE VMs...and the files are corrupt. |
| 00:48 | pianohacker | one of the reasons I think torrents are more useful for legitimate things than pirated ones :P |
| 00:48 | dcook | Totes |
| 00:48 | I think I have a torrent client on here that I use for grabbing Linux images | |
| 00:49 | I remember reading something about how apparently Twitter uses (or used) torrents for transferring files internally. | |
| 00:50 | http://torrentfreak.com/twitte[…]eployment-100210/ | |
| 00:51 | pianohacker | cool |
| 00:53 | dcook | https://github.com/lg/murder |
| 00:54 | Oh right, I was complaining about Microsoft... | |
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| 01:26 | pianohacker | dcook: hey, want to talk z39.50? :D |
| 01:27 | dcook | Not for fun, but sure :p |
| 01:29 | pianohacker | dcook: It looks like the Z39.50 search code in Koha outputs results in an essentially random order, and puts up to 20 results per target on each page |
| 01:29 | is this correct? | |
| 01:33 | dcook | Maybe? |
| 01:33 | wahanui | well, Maybe is a momentaneous error |
| 01:34 | dcook | I don't think the Z39.50 search sends any sort to the remote server, so I'm not sure what order the results have |
| 01:34 | I think there are 20 results per page, and older versions of Koha would only show 20 results and have no paging... | |
| 01:46 | pianohacker | dcook: Yup, before the table sorting, page N of the Z39.50 search returns the Nth set of 20 records from each server, in order of which server responded first |
| 01:46 | Jesus, that's... I don't even know | |
| 01:47 | dcook | I suppose the idea is not to bother retrieving the full set if all you want is the first 20 results |
| 01:48 | As for the sort, that could probably be added to the code? Depends if different servers support it I guess | |
| 01:48 | pianohacker | It makes sense in a way, but seems kinda arbitrary |
| 01:49 | I'll have to talk to some actual catalogers to figure out what they might want :) | |
| 01:49 | (in rancor) | |
| 01:50 | dcook | Once upon a time, I was an actual cataloguer :p |
| 01:50 | It's been a couple years now since I did much of it though | |
| 01:50 | Btw, looks like sorting on the Z39.50 server might be out of the picture. Zebra seems to have its own special sorting... | |
| 01:51 | pianohacker | Yeah, figured as much... |
| 01:51 | dcook | Oh wait maybe I'm wrong.. |
| 01:51 | pianohacker | It seems like client-side relevance ranking would be more useful than just a straight-up title/author/etc. sort, no? |
| 01:51 | * dcook | just had yaz up a moment ago.. |
| 01:52 | pianohacker | And (within reason) you'd want the sort to be across all pages of sort results, rather than just a single page, right? |
| 01:52 | dcook | Only if you retrieved all the records I guess |
| 01:52 | pianohacker | Yeah, you'd have to (kind of like pazpar2 does) |
| 01:53 | dcook | I suppose on one hand you might want relevancy ranking, unless you're looking for a particular title. |
| 01:53 | Which you would be | |
| 01:53 | You might be annoyed to get back 100+ results, but you'd sort by Title and then scroll through until you found the right spot where it should be | |
| 01:54 | * dcook | puts on his cataloguing hat |
| 01:54 | dcook | I'd probably be doing a title or ISBN search. Ideally, I would get back results that match my search pretty exactly. |
| 01:55 | Might need to look through a few different editions and such.. | |
| 01:55 | I might do a keyword search if I were desperate | |
| 01:56 | In which case I would then want to use relevancy ranking | |
| 01:56 | pianohacker | dcook: In all of those cases, or just keyword search? |
| 01:56 | dcook | I suppose all of them now that I think about it |
| 01:56 | pianohacker | ok, cool |
| 01:57 | dcook | Although I might want the option to change my sort to alphabetical by title if the relevance was off |
| 01:57 | pianohacker | I'll have to figure out where and how to do the relevance ranking, but that makes sense |
| 01:57 | and yeah, rancor will be getting custom sort fairly soon | |
| 01:58 | dcook | :D |
| 01:59 | So how does z39.50 factor in? I think I recall from your Kohacon demo... | |
| 01:59 | pianohacker | dcook: The search on the sidebar |
| 01:59 | dcook | Rancor is mostly for doing your own catlaoguing...but there is an option on the side where you can do a serach then bring it into the editor directly? |
| 01:59 | pianohacker | exactly |
| 01:59 | eythian | what is rancor? |
| 01:59 | wahanui | rancor is bug 11559 |
| 01:59 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=11559 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jweaver, Needs Signoff , Professional cataloger's interface |
| 01:59 | eythian | oh, right |
| 01:59 | thanks wahanui | |
| 02:00 | pianohacker | dcook: I was doing z39.50 searching through pazpar2 as I had it mostly working for bug 10486, and I didn't want to implement metasearch myself |
| 02:00 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10486 new feature, P5 - low, ---, jweaver, Failed QA , Allow external Z39.50 targets to be searched from the OPAC |
| 02:01 | dcook | Fair enough. |
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| 02:04 | pianohacker | all right, I need to close the computer and go get some dinner |
| 02:04 | good night, all | |
| 02:05 | dcook | night! |
| 02:06 | @later tell pianohacker my pleasure | |
| 02:06 | huginn | dcook: The operation succeeded. |
| 02:33 | * dcook | reads "add regression test" as "add aggression test" |
| 02:33 | wonders what that would look like... | |
| 02:56 | wizzyrea | don't take your baseball bat to the aggression test. |
| 02:56 | rangi | dont bring a knife to the gun test |
| 02:57 | dcook | Don't write cheques your test can't cash? |
| 02:58 | rangi | for library software we should have passive aggression tests |
| 02:59 | dcook | true as |
| 02:59 | There we go. Another example. Wrong channel though... | |
| 02:59 | rangi | heh |
| 03:00 | wizzyrea | hehehehehe |
| 03:00 | rangi | if your test fails, they put a sign on the wall, with clip art and comic sans |
| 03:01 | wizzyrea | *snicker* |
| 03:01 | if your test fails, they tell everyone else in the library that you're a screw up and then tell you that everything's fine. | |
| 03:39 | dcook | gmcharlt: Got a patch up for bug 11014 |
| 03:39 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=11014 major, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Needs Signoff , Slip Print Problem in Chrome |
| 03:39 | dcook | If anyone feels like an easy sign off, it's waiting. wizzyrea, perhaps? :) |
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| 04:06 | wizzyrea | Hm I don't have chrome :( |
| 04:07 | and I'm not super inclined to install it :? | |
| 04:11 | ibeardslee | chromium not close enough? |
| 04:12 | eythian | Oh nice, someone finally cleaned up the "adding a system preference" page in the wiki, so it no longer talks about really old versions. |
| 04:12 | dcook | ibeardslee: Not sure :/ |
| 04:13 | I think Chromium might be OK. I'm on Windows at the moment, so I can't check Chromium | |
| 04:13 | ibeardslee | ahh |
| 04:13 | dcook | Hmm... |
| 04:14 | I suppose you could check that the system preference works, wizzyrea | |
| 04:14 | Mind you, it's a simple patch, so maybe don't bother :/ | |
| 04:14 | Pretty sure that I got 'em all | |
| 04:14 | * dcook | wonders who will test his IE8 patches :p |
| 04:14 | dcook | Going to go eat though. bbiab |
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| 05:00 | dcook | hey cait :) |
| 05:00 | I figured out why that CSS you tried to start with didn't work | |
| 05:01 | cait | hi dcook :) |
| 05:01 | you did? :) | |
| 05:02 | eythian | hello cait |
| 05:02 | cait | i think some li in the other css overwrote what i wanted to do to the ul |
| 05:02 | dcook | I think so? |
| 05:02 | cait | hi eythian :) |
| 05:02 | dcook | Your ul had a class not an id |
| 05:02 | Err | |
| 05:02 | cait | ah, i changed that only yesterday :) |
| 05:02 | i repeat the whole block for english and switch between them using jquery | |
| 05:03 | dcook | Ah, so maybe I wasn't blind yesterday then :p |
| 05:03 | cait | so it was doubled up :) |
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| 05:40 | cait | dcook++ |
| 05:41 | dcook | Who wha? |
| 05:41 | cait | dcook: putting it on the li was your idea, so you did help :) |
| 05:41 | dcook | Ah, well. Glad to have helped :). |
| 05:49 | Finding good public library Z39.50 targets is hard... | |
| 05:49 | Especially when the Australian public library system is so fractured that I have to look for different countries.. | |
| 06:06 | ashimema | morning all |
| 06:12 | dcook | morning ashimema |
| 06:12 | As for Australian public libraries, it looks like LibrariesAustralia actually keeps a pretty good network of records...but at a bit of a premium... | |
| 06:14 | * magnuse | waves |
| 06:14 | * dcook | crosses his fingers and hopes this Microsoft VM doesn't break |
| 06:14 | dcook | yo magnuse |
| 06:15 | magnuse | yo yo yo dcook |
| 06:20 | ashimema | dcook.. it's microsoft. what do you expect? |
| 06:22 | * ashimema | is wondering whether the pint and random dive into koha code last night is going to persuade his friend to send in a CV or not. |
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| 06:31 | dcook | ashimema: I think it was actually Chrome that mangled my download the first time. Probably should get a download manager extension... |
| 06:31 | Pint and a random dive, eh? | |
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| 06:40 | ashimema | indeed.. got a mate whose getting rather bored in his job and might fancy a change.. |
| 06:40 | he's a kernel developer at the moment though.. so steeping out into our world and using perl is a big change. | |
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| 06:41 | reiveune | hello |
| 06:41 | wahanui | hi, reiveune |
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| 06:45 | dcook | He might get annoyed by all the things he'd need to fix ;) |
| 06:46 | ashimema | indeed.. |
| 06:54 | dcook | All right. Win 7 IE 8 VM downloaded from Microsoft has been imported into Virtual Box. Let's see what happens... |
| 07:02 | Hmm, seems to work all right. Not sure I get this "trial period" thing entirely but whatever... | |
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| 07:24 | fridolin | hie all |
| 07:25 | magnuse | bonjour reiveune sophie_m alex_a fridolin |
| 07:26 | alex_a | salut magnuse |
| 07:26 | reiveune | salut magnuse |
| 07:26 | fridolin | salut magnuse, your french is good ;) |
| 07:32 | magnuse | fridolin: yeah, awesome! ;-) |
| 07:32 | * magnuse | adds a suggestion for bug 11944 - Cleanup Koha UTF-8 to the schedule of http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]ting,_21_May_2014 |
| 07:32 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=11944 major, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Needs Signoff , Cleanup Koha UTF-8 |
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| 07:41 | dcook | night all |
| 07:41 | wahanui | goodnight dcook. You'll be back. |
| 07:41 | dcook | PS if anyone can look at bug 11014, I'll possibly love them forever. |
| 07:41 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=11014 major, P5 - low, ---, dcook, Needs Signoff , Slip Print Problem in Chrome |
| 07:41 | dcook | Or at least for a little while |
| 07:42 | Galen said it can still get into 3.16 | |
| 07:42 | ok really going now | |
| 07:42 | cheers | |
| 07:47 | jenkins_koha | Starting build #42 for job Koha_3.14.x (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE) |
| 07:49 | ashimema | wow time flies.. hadn't reaised there was a dev meeting today. |
| 07:49 | cait | yeah and i will miss it again |
| 07:49 | magnuse: left a note on the wiki | |
| 07:50 | appointment in the city at the same time :( | |
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| 07:56 | * magnuse | is afraid noone would turn op for a bug squash |
| 07:56 | magnuse | but it's worth a try |
| 07:57 | cait | i would |
| 07:57 | ashimema | Yeah, give it a try.. |
| 07:57 | cait | i think w eneed to start doing stuff like that, maybe advertise with libraries too |
| 07:58 | ashimema | always worth trying. |
| 07:58 | cait | i would be there, if we can pick a date i can be around |
| 07:58 | helping with weird german words :) | |
| 07:58 | magnuse | hehe |
| 07:58 | cait | we could also upload a small test set of weird records to the wiki |
| 07:58 | ashimema | a QA sprint would also be in order (even if it actually focused on sign-offs this time around as a posed to qa's) |
| 07:58 | cait | i tihnk there is a nice arabic set somewhere in bugzilla |
| 07:58 | and i think we should then, hopefully after utf-8 being a success | |
| 07:59 | have one for the accounts rewrite | |
| 07:59 | and rancor... and whatever we can think off that is 'huge' | |
| 07:59 | ashimema | indeed |
| 08:02 | fridolin | FIY the use of attribute "required" like in Bug 11788 is really a good thing. Browser can render how he whats the required fields |
| 08:02 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=11788 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Use validation plugin when creating new course |
| 08:04 | fridolin | (oups its FYI ...) |
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| 08:41 | nlegrand | Hey #Koha ! |
| 08:45 | Joubu | cait: bug 10935, what is the issue ? :) |
| 08:45 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10935 major, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, REOPENED , CSV for basket and basketgroup are broken when translated |
| 08:45 | fridolin | hie bag , I noticed some patches have a odd email address : Invalid address: âÂÂstaffbywatersolutions.comâ |
| 08:45 | bag: i noticed this also in release notes | |
| 08:45 | Joubu | cait: I tried on master, and I got : |
| 08:45 | headers | |
| 08:45 | <blank line> | |
| 08:45 | values 1 | |
| 08:45 | values 2 | |
| 08:46 | cait: it looks good, except the blank line between headers and values. Do you agree? | |
| 08:47 | fridolin | bag: I found the patch, look at Bug 11572 |
| 08:47 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=11572 trivial, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Pushed to Stable , Keyword searches no longer detect isbn from "Search the catalog" |
| 08:48 | fridolin | From: =?UTF-8?q?=E2=80=9CByWater?= <“staffbywatersolutions.com”> |
| 08:49 | an UTF-8 problem likly. you may check the git global config on user.email key | |
| 08:51 | cait | Joubu: i got very confused in the end - it didn't work quite right for me |
| 08:51 | it doesn't work in 3.14 installed frompackages | |
| 08:51 | Joubu | cait: looks good on master, except the extra blank line |
| 08:51 | cait | that's why I started investigating - I had showed the feature at the workshop and it didn't work |
| 08:52 | Joubu: could you test with german? i will repeat the test right now | |
| 08:53 | Joubu: did you test basket or basket group? | |
| 08:54 | Joubu: basket works ok - english has an additional blank line, the translated version has not | |
| 08:54 | Joubu | cait: yep, broken with german |
| 08:54 | cait: basket group | |
| 08:55 | cait | i reinstalled german right now - with the latest translations |
| 08:56 | Joubu: it works perfectly now for me :( | |
| 08:56 | seems something between 3.14 and master changed | |
| 08:56 | Joubu | cait: weird, in French I got 1 extra blank line, in German, I got header and the first csv row on the same line |
| 08:56 | cait | yeah it's weird |
| 08:56 | Joubu | ok, French is not up-to-date |
| 08:57 | cait | you can see from the comments i got really confused |
| 08:57 | i used the po files no in master | |
| 08:58 | Joubu | cait: ok, so, on master: bg csv export using French tt: extra blank line, using german, all is good |
| 08:59 | cait | english has the extra blank for me |
| 08:59 | german not | |
| 09:00 | Joubu | yep, same here |
| 09:00 | I cannot explain the difference. | |
| 09:00 | cait: so, is it work? :) | |
| 09:00 | cait | i think ... better not touch it |
| 09:01 | Joubu | :D |
| 09:01 | I have a patch to delete the blank line, but it breaks german export... | |
| 09:01 | cait | so weird |
| 09:02 | noone complained about the blank line...:) | |
| 09:03 | Joubu | Actually the german include file is generated without newline at the end of file. |
| 09:03 | Anyway, next | |
| 09:04 | cait | Joubu: interesting |
| 09:04 | wahanui | interesting is sometimes good and sometimes bad |
| 09:05 | cait | Joubu: I think you can't put new lines in translations... so no idea why that would happen |
| 09:13 | paxed | wtf? yesterday doing perl translate update fi-FI i got not complaints, today two warnings about mismatching number of placeholders. grrr. |
| 09:13 | cait | paxed: did you check the file on pootle? |
| 09:13 | paxed | i uploaded the files there |
| 09:14 | cait | i just tested German to make sure what will be pulled is correct |
| 09:14 | ok | |
| 09:27 | jenkins_koha | Project Koha_3.14.x build #42: STILL UNSTABLE in 1 hr 40 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]b/Koha_3.14.x/42/ |
| 09:27 | * Colin Campbell: Bug 11478: Replace experimental given/when keywords | |
| 09:27 | * Colin Campbell: Bug 11479: Remove experimental given/when keywords | |
| 09:27 | * Owen Leonard: Bug 10714: Redirect to list contents view upon save after initiating edit from list contents view (staff) | |
| 09:27 | * Owen Leonard: Bug 10714 [Follow-up] Redirect to list contents view upon cancel after initiating edit from list contents view (staff) | |
| 09:27 | * Owen Leonard: Bug 11785 - Use validation plugin when uploading local cover images | |
| 09:27 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=11478 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, colin.campbell, Pushed to Stable , Remove experimental given/when from Koha::SimpleMARC |
| 09:27 | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=11479 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, colin.campbell, Pushed to Stable , Remove experimental given/when from C4::MarcModificationTemplates | |
| 09:27 | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10714 minor, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Stable , Redirect to list contents view upon save after initiating edit from list contents view | |
| 09:27 | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=11785 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Stable , Use validation plugin when uploading local cover images | |
| 09:28 | jenkins_koha | Starting build #43 for job Koha_3.14.x (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE) |
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| 10:29 | magnuse | @wunder boo |
| 10:29 | huginn | magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 9.0°C (12:20 PM CEST on May 21, 2014). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 82%. Dew Point: 6.0°C. Pressure: 29.98 in 1015 hPa (Falling). |
| 10:29 | * magnuse | waves to khall |
| 10:30 | khall | mornin magnuse! |
| 10:30 | morning cait, #koha! | |
| 10:31 | * cait | is stuck at home waiting for someone to repair the laptop |
| 10:32 | is grumpy | |
| 10:32 | waves at khall | |
| 10:33 | ashimema | morning khall |
| 10:34 | khall | gday ashimema! |
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| 10:41 | paxed | how do you notify a patron who has no email or phone? like, when they've got a reserved book. |
| 10:49 | sophie_m | paxed: print notices HOLD_PRIND + script gather_print_notices.pl |
| 11:07 | paxed | ah. thanks! |
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| 11:20 | paxed | sophie_m: so how does that work? i don't see HOLD_PRINT notice - do i just create it, and populate the Print-section? |
| 11:26 | khall | @later tell gmcharlt I've submitted the warning patch for bug 12025. I'd suggest you take a look at it to confirm your satisfaction of the wording and the behavior that triggers the warning |
| 11:26 | huginn | khall: The operation succeeded. |
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| 11:31 | jenkins_koha | Project Koha_3.14.x build #43: STILL UNSTABLE in 2 hr 2 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]b/Koha_3.14.x/43/ |
| 11:31 | * Owen Leonard: Bug 11787 - Use validation plugin when adding new vendor | |
| 11:31 | * Owen Leonard: Bug 11788 - Use validation plugin when creating new course | |
| 11:31 | * Owen Leonard: Bug 11795 - Use validation plugin when creating new Z39.50 server | |
| 11:31 | * Owen Leonard: Bug 11793 - Use validation plugin when creating new item type | |
| 11:31 | * Owen Leonard: Bug 11792 - Use validation plugin when creating new currency | |
| 11:31 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=11787 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Stable , Use validation plugin when adding new vendor |
| 11:31 | jenkins_koha | * Owen Leonard: Bug 11791 - Use validation plugin when creating new city |
| 11:31 | * Kyle M Hall: Bug 11796: fix display of search result facets if facet happens to have exactly six entries | |
| 11:31 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=11788 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Stable , Use validation plugin when creating new course |
| 11:31 | jenkins_koha | * Mathieu Saby: Bug 11611: Rephrase description and examples of 5 MARC related sysprefs |
| 11:31 | * Fridolin Somers: Bug 11611: DBRev 3.14.06.002 | |
| 11:31 | * Ketan Kulkarni: Bug 11087: Make the Pay Fines tab the default tab | |
| 11:31 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=11795 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Stable , Use validation plugin when creating new Z39.50 server |
| 11:31 | jenkins_koha | * Nicole C. Engard: Bug 11272 - add second submit button to inventory form |
| 11:31 | * Jonathan Druart: Bug 11562: re-sort sysprefs.sql | |
| 11:31 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=11793 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Stable , Use validation plugin when creating new item type |
| 11:31 | jenkins_koha | * Tomas Cohen Arazi: Bug 10580: adjust Makefile.PL to reflect that Zebra no longer optional in Koha setup |
| 11:31 | * Galen Charlton: Bug 10580: (follow-up) tweak wording about looking for zebrasrv & zebraidx | |
| 11:31 | * Marcel de Rooy: Bug 11799: Housekeeping: Remove _biblionumber_sth from VirtualShelves.pm | |
| 11:31 | * Jonathan Druart: Bug 11471: Display the currency for baskets in a basketgroup | |
| 11:31 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=11792 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Stable , Use validation plugin when creating new currency |
| 11:31 | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=11791 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Stable , Use validation plugin when creating new city | |
| 11:31 | jenkins_koha | * Owen Leonard: Bug 11789 - Use validation plugin when creating new list |
| 11:31 | * Marcel de Rooy: Bug 11803: use $dbh consistently in _koha_modify_item | |
| 11:31 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=11796 normal, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Pushed to Stable , Results with 6 facets have missing facet |
| 11:31 | jenkins_koha | * Owen Leonard: Bug 10751: standardize validation of title in staff purchase suggestions form |
| 11:31 | * Fridolin Somers: Bug 11707: fix editing additional attributes for patron whose category code includes a space | |
| 11:31 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=11611 trivial, P5 - low, ---, mathsabypro, Pushed to Stable , fix possible confusion between UNIMARC and MARC21 in some sysprefs |
| 11:31 | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=11087 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, ketan, Pushed to Stable , Have the fines tab default to pay fines rather than account | |
| 11:31 | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=11272 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, nengard, Pushed to Stable , copy submit button on inventory | |
| 11:31 | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=11562 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Stable , QA: the sysprefs.sql is not correctly sorted | |
| 11:31 | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10580 normal, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Pushed to Stable , Remove NoZebra reference from Makefile.pl | |
| 11:31 | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=11799 trivial, P5 - low, ---, m.de.rooy, Pushed to Stable , Housekeeping: Remove _biblionumber_sth from VirtualShelves.pm | |
| 11:31 | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=11471 minor, P5 - low, ---, mtompset, Pushed to Stable , Basket groups display 0 0 | |
| 11:31 | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=11789 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Stable , Use validation plugin when creating new list | |
| 11:31 | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=11803 trivial, P5 - low, ---, m.de.rooy, Pushed to Stable , Consistent use of $dbh in _koha_modify_item | |
| 11:31 | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10751 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Stable , Title should be mandatory for creating suggestions in staff | |
| 11:31 | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=11707 normal, P5 - low, ---, fridolyn.somers, Pushed to Stable , Additional attributes broken for category code with space | |
| 11:32 | jenkins_koha | Starting build #44 for job Koha_3.14.x (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE) |
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| 12:09 | oleonard | Hi #koha |
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| 13:03 | oleonard | It's very frustrating that the batch patron modification tool offers surname and first name as options but not city, state, address, etc. |
| 13:04 | Hard to imagine doing batch update on first name. Easy to imagine doing a batch update of zip code. | |
| 13:12 | Joubu | oleonard: it should not be too difficult to add some fields. |
| 13:12 | * oleonard | is trying it now |
| 13:13 | jenkins_koha | Project Koha_3.14.x build #44: STILL UNSTABLE in 1 hr 41 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]b/Koha_3.14.x/44/ |
| 13:13 | * Owen Leonard: Bug 11819 - Don't show catalog edit menu if user has no edit permissions | |
| 13:13 | * Owen Leonard: Bug 11717 - Use new DataTables include in member templates | |
| 13:13 | * Owen Leonard: Bug 11710 - Use new DataTables include in cataloging Z39.50 search template | |
| 13:13 | * Owen Leonard: Bug 11716 - Use new DataTables include in label manage template | |
| 13:13 | * Owen Leonard: Bug 11736 - Use new DataTables include in Koha news templates | |
| 13:13 | * Owen Leonard: Bug 11805 - Use validation plugin when creating new basket in Acquisitions | |
| 13:13 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=11819 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Stable , Don't show catalog edit menu if user has no edit permissions |
| 13:13 | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=11717 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Stable , Use new DataTables include in member templates | |
| 13:13 | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=11710 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Stable , Use new DataTables include in cataloging Z39.50 search template | |
| 13:13 | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=11716 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Stable , Use new DataTables include in label manage template | |
| 13:13 | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=11736 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Stable , Use new DataTables include in Koha news templates | |
| 13:13 | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=11805 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Stable , Use validation plugin when creating new basket in Acquisitions | |
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| 13:30 | tcohen | morning! |
| 13:30 | wahanui | rumour has it morning is a state of cat |
| 13:31 | druthb | Hi, tcohen. :) |
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| 13:35 | * cait | waves |
| 13:44 | druthb | cait! |
| 13:44 | cait | druthb |
| 13:45 | druthb | :) |
| 13:55 | rambutan | @wunder 64507 |
| 13:55 | huginn | rambutan: The current temperature in Wyatt Park, St Joseph, Missouri is 26.3°C (8:55 AM CDT on May 21, 2014). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 64%. Dew Point: 19.0°C. Pressure: 29.87 in 1011 hPa (Rising). |
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| 14:04 | tcohen | hi cait, druthb |
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| 14:35 | fridolin | FYI : for a master install, use now debian repo with "squeeze-dev", there are a few paquages more than "squeeze" |
| 14:35 | it works for Wheezy | |
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| 14:54 | gmcharlt | reminder, the development meeting starts in five minutes or so |
| 14:57 | thd | Are there any current issues from bug 11944 which affect the storage or editing of bibliographic or authority records? |
| 14:57 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=11944 major, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Needs Signoff , Cleanup Koha UTF-8 |
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| 15:02 | gmcharlt | #startmeeting Koha Development Meeting, 21 May 2014, part 1 |
| 15:02 | huginn | Meeting started Wed May 21 15:02:01 2014 UTC. The chair is gmcharlt. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. |
| 15:02 | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | |
| 15:02 | Topic for #koha is now (Meeting topic: Koha Development Meeting, 21 May 2014, part 1) | |
| 15:02 | huginn | The meeting name has been set to 'koha_development_meeting__21_may_2014__part_1' |
| 15:02 | gmcharlt | #info Agenda is http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]ting,_21_May_2014 |
| 15:02 | #topic Introductions | |
| 15:02 | wahanui | #info wahanui, a bot that has become sentient |
| 15:02 | Topic for #koha is now Introductions (Meeting topic: Koha Development Meeting, 21 May 2014, part 1) | |
| 15:02 | tcohen | #info Tomas Cohen Arazi, Universidad Nacional de Cordoba |
| 15:02 | oleonard | #info Owen Leonard, Athens County Public Libraries |
| 15:02 | gmcharlt | #info Galen Charlton, 3.16 RM |
| 15:03 | phasefx | #info Jason Etheridge, Equinox |
| 15:04 | thd | #info Thomas Dukleth, Agogme, New York City |
| 15:04 | ashimema | #info Martin Renvoize, PTFS Europe |
| 15:04 | bgkriegel | #info Bernardo Gonzalez Kriegel, Córdoba Argentina |
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| 15:05 | wosch | #info Wolfram Schneider, IndexData |
| 15:05 | ztajoli | hi |
| 15:05 | wahanui | hola, ztajoli |
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| 15:05 | gmcharlt | ok, let's get started |
| 15:05 | #topic Announcements | |
| 15:06 | Topic for #koha is now Announcements (Meeting topic: Koha Development Meeting, 21 May 2014, part 1) | |
| 15:06 | gmcharlt | #info Koha 3.16.0 will be released tomorrow |
| 15:06 | tcohen | gmcharlt++ |
| 15:06 | * oleonard | cheers |
| 15:06 | gmcharlt | #info Galen will continue to push patches to master through Sunday; tcohen will take over the master branch on Monday |
| 15:06 | any other quick announcements? | |
| 15:07 | ashimema | gmcharlt++ |
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| 15:07 | gmcharlt | oh, one more |
| 15:07 | wahanui | i think one more is better than one less but yeah they should be the same |
| 15:07 | gmcharlt | #info 3.16.x will be branched tomorrow |
| 15:07 | ok, moving | |
| 15:07 | #topic RM 3.18 comments | |
| 15:07 | Topic for #koha is now RM 3.18 comments (Meeting topic: Koha Development Meeting, 21 May 2014, part 1) | |
| 15:07 | gmcharlt | tcohen: you have the floor |
| 15:08 | tcohen | hi every1 |
| 15:08 | i wanted to say a few words on how i expect to do my RM work | |
| 15:09 | I'd like to set a dashboard of the current "big" developments you are all involved in, or at least worried about | |
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| 15:09 | tcohen | and I'll commit to find all the bottlenecks so everything goes as smooth as we can |
| 15:09 | I'll set (for now) a Trello board for that, and I expect to get some feedback from MMs | |
| 15:10 | I also hope we can make dev meetings from frecquently | |
| 15:10 | not as we need them, but something like twice a month | |
| 15:10 | to catch up with everyone's works | |
| 15:11 | I want all of you know I'm open to comments on all this | |
| 15:12 | ashimema | so far so good tcohen.. sounds promising. |
| 15:12 | gmcharlt | tcohen: sounds good to me |
| 15:12 | tcohen | that's it, I'll take notes of the "big things" you are all working on |
| 15:13 | (sorry, my boss came to my desk with a chatty attitude | |
| 15:14 | ztajoli | Well, as CINECA, we will try test/sign-off as much as possible on UFT-8 ( bug 11944) |
| 15:14 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=11944 major, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Needs Signoff , Cleanup Koha UTF-8 |
| 15:14 | ztajoli | And on ACQ |
| 15:15 | thd | tcohen: Ensure that the subject of discussion for development meetings motivate widespread interest and you should have sufficient participation. |
| 15:15 | tcohen | thanks thd |
| 15:15 | ztajoli | We also probably send an RFC on ACQ, but also test/sign-off of others patch |
| 15:15 | gmcharlt | I agree with thd ... I suggest making sure that the agenda for the dev meetings doesn't get too rote if you run them as frequently as twice a month |
| 15:15 | ashimema | I like gmcharlt's two stage meetings to catch timezones.. do you intend on following suit tcohen? |
| 15:15 | reiveune | bye |
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| 15:16 | tcohen | ashimema: yes |
| 15:16 | ashimema | :) |
| 15:16 | gmcharlt | one suggestion is (as often as possible) getting somebody to do a 10-15 minute presentation on some aspect of Koha development each emeeting |
| 15:16 | ashimema | agree with the two above.. keep the agenda's tight, especially as they're going to be more frequent |
| 15:17 | gmcharlt | (and I volunteer to do that at least a couple times) |
| 15:17 | tcohen | my ultimate goal is that we share our problems with implementing stuff |
| 15:17 | ashimema | sounds good to me.. also happy to volunteer from here (wether that be me, or me getting Colin to step up ;) ) |
| 15:17 | tcohen | and that if (for example) we need to agree on an API definition so people can start coding, we can do it on the meeting |
| 15:18 | gmcharlt | ashimema: there is a fine tradition of volun-telling folks who don't bother to attend the meeting ;) |
| 15:20 | ashimema | ;) |
| 15:20 | gmcharlt | tcohen: anything more you want to say? |
| 15:20 | wosch | Hi, I'm wondering what the status of the Koha plugin system is in 3.16. Can I run plugins on the opac site, and not only on the staff site? |
| 15:20 | ashimema | Colin's working on EDI at the minute.. so I didn't fancy reminding him about the meeting ;) |
| 15:21 | tcohen | ok, lets move to the tasty part |
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| 15:22 | gmcharlt | wosch: Koha's plugins currently support only staff-side functionality, in particular new items under the Tools and Reprts page |
| 15:22 | #topic Additions to Coding Guidelines | |
| 15:22 | Topic for #koha is now Additions to Coding Guidelines (Meeting topic: Koha Development Meeting, 21 May 2014, part 1) | |
| 15:23 | gmcharlt | #info There is a proposal by cait to deprecate C4::SQLHelper now that DBIx::Class is available |
| 15:23 | #info more info on bug 11385 | |
| 15:23 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=11385 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , C4::SQLHelper should be removed |
| 15:23 | ashimema | cait++ |
| 15:24 | gmcharlt | deprecation is easy enough in the sense of "no new code that uses SQLHelper" |
| 15:24 | I may poke at 11385 during the 3.18 cycle to work towards replacing it | |
| 15:24 | ztajoli | for me ++ |
| 15:24 | wosch | gmcharlt: thanks for the clarification! |
| 15:25 | tcohen | I'd adopt this coding guideline |
| 15:25 | gmcharlt | +1 as well |
| 15:25 | tcohen | and I hope the QA team agrees to enforce it for submissions |
| 15:26 | thd | gmcharlt +1 for bringing all code to conform to current guidelines. |
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| 15:29 | gmcharlt | #agreed (pending confirmation) the coding guidelines will be revised to deprecate C4::SQLHelper |
| 15:29 | #topic How can we get "Bug 11944 - Cleanup Koha UTF-8" into Koha? | |
| 15:29 | Topic for #koha is now How can we get "Bug 11944 - Cleanup Koha UTF-8" into Koha? (Meeting topic: Koha Development Meeting, 21 May 2014, part 1) | |
| 15:29 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=11944 major, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Needs Signoff , Cleanup Koha UTF-8 |
| 15:30 | tcohen | Joubu? |
| 15:30 | wahanui | Joubu is, like, not his irc name |
| 15:30 | gmcharlt | regarding magnuse's suggestion, though I am NOT old ;), I will volunteer to review the code and approach during the next few weeks |
| 15:31 | I also suggest the following - that a special sandbox be set up running the code | |
| 15:31 | and I also suggest adopting magnuse's proposal of a GBSD solely for this bug | |
| 15:31 | ztajoli | we do the best to test it (Paola Rossi) |
| 15:32 | jwagner | #info Jane Wagner, LibLime/PTFS |
| 15:32 | apologies for being late | |
| 15:33 | gmcharlt | actually, cait's proposal of a dedicated GBSD |
| 15:33 | tcohen | I think we need to have unit tests for encoding issues |
| 15:33 | gmcharlt | agreed |
| 15:33 | thd | Are there a unified set of patches for the bug which must all stand or fall together? |
| 15:34 | gmcharlt | thd: many of the patches look like they need to stand together, but it also lokos like there are a few that could be split off and applied separately |
| 15:34 | so yeah, splitting those out would be good | |
| 15:35 | thd | Are there any current issues from which affect the character encoding storage or editing of bibliographic or authority records? |
| 15:36 | tcohen | as far as I can tell, we have only ackknowledged visualization issues |
| 15:36 | ztajoli | and no others entry of bugzilla blocks it |
| 15:36 | The problem is on display/visualization, not store in DB o Zebra | |
| 15:37 | thd | tchohen: There are past reports for the bug of problems with passwords and some other peripheral data storage issues. |
| 15:37 | gmcharlt | ztajoli: though speaking of storage, you may find this to be of interest: http://bugs.koha-community.org[…].cgi?id=11811#c13 |
| 15:37 | huginn | 04Bug 11811: major, P1 - high, ---, dpavlin, In Discussion , tools/import_borrowers.pl doesn't support utf-8 encoded CSV |
| 15:37 | ztajoli | For authority records, unimarc eng default setup gives problem |
| 15:38 | probably we need only to transfer french unimarc setup into eng | |
| 15:38 | gmcharlt | out of curiosity... who actively uses the English UNIMARC setup? |
| 15:39 | thd | ztajoli: Does UNIMARC English setting affect the character encoding stored in the database? |
| 15:39 | ztajoli | And there the problems with pdf generation, label templating |
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| 15:40 | ztajoli | Storing in database no |
| 15:40 | for unimarc default setup | |
| 15:40 | but impossibile to use, so to input data | |
| 15:41 | gmcharlt | have we come to any conclusion regarding the proposals? |
| 15:41 | ztajoli | Probably no one use English UNIMARC authority setup. |
| 15:42 | But it is the default, so it used to test from Paola Rossi. So we find problems | |
| 15:42 | thd | tcohen: Do you have a simple test for automatically determining when character encoding is displaying incorrectly? |
| 15:42 | tcohen | Who are actively working on this? |
| 15:43 | ztajoli | For test we use to insert Japanese kana and greek letters. No authomatic tests |
| 15:43 | gmcharlt | unless somebody has any objections, I'm willing to volunteer to review the effort and to schedule a GBSD for it |
| 15:43 | (and to see about writing tests) | |
| 15:43 | tcohen | thd: the main issues IMHO are not explicitly decoding/encoding stuff as needed, or setting the proper config for the IO layer |
| 15:44 | there are places we can check for properly formed UTF-8 strings | |
| 15:44 | gmcharlt: +1 | |
| 15:45 | gmcharlt | #action gmcharlt will review the work for bug 11944 and organize a testing environment and a GBSD for some time in June |
| 15:45 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=11944 major, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Needs Signoff , Cleanup Koha UTF-8 |
| 15:45 | gmcharlt | #topic Big stuff we are working on |
| 15:45 | Topic for #koha is now Big stuff we are working on (Meeting topic: Koha Development Meeting, 21 May 2014, part 1) | |
| 15:46 | tcohen | gmcharlt: before that, who are working on 11944? |
| 15:46 | gmcharlt | tcohen: I've said what I'm planning to do; at at this point, I think others need to step up to test as well |
| 15:47 | tcohen | ok |
| 15:47 | thd | tcohen: I should have some time to work on it in July. |
| 15:49 | gmcharlt | any big projects to announce? |
| 15:50 | ashimema | back again.. sorry got called away. |
| 15:50 | tcohen | what is the status of ElasticSearch integration? |
| 15:50 | gmcharlt | there's an effort underway for funding to work on it more |
| 15:50 | as I understand it, it's nealry 100% funded | |
| 15:51 | so I'd expect updates from Catalyst at some point | |
| 15:51 | ashimema | eythian has been on alot of mornings (uk mornings that is) this week |
| 15:51 | tcohen | maybe on part 2 |
| 15:51 | ashimema | he's been making inroads into it. |
| 15:51 | ztajoli | The main developer of 11944 is Jonathan Druart |
| 15:51 | ashimema | he's probably best explaining state of affairs.. but I know he's looking for people to start testing now. |
| 15:53 | gmcharlt | ok |
| 15:53 | tcohen | we will all review what's been done |
| 15:53 | gmcharlt | #topic Actions from previous dev meeting |
| 15:53 | Topic for #koha is now Actions from previous dev meeting (Meeting topic: Koha Development Meeting, 21 May 2014, part 1) | |
| 15:53 | gmcharlt | #info there were no action items ;) |
| 15:53 | tcohen | to make sure nothing breaks badly |
| 15:53 | gmcharlt | #topic Set time of next meeting |
| 15:53 | Topic for #koha is now Set time of next meeting (Meeting topic: Koha Development Meeting, 21 May 2014, part 1) | |
| 15:53 | gmcharlt | tcohen: thoughts? |
| 15:53 | tcohen | talking about UTF-8 cleanup |
| 15:54 | will we have those sandboxes set? | |
| 15:54 | gmcharlt | no, I mean about tsetting a date for the next meeting |
| 15:54 | tcohen | June 4? |
| 15:55 | gmcharlt | tcohen: there's a general meeting scheduled that day IIRC |
| 15:55 | yes | |
| 15:55 | * tcohen | is searching at the wiki |
| 15:55 | ashimema | dug out ES progress git: http://git.catalyst.net.nz/gw?[…]ds/elastic_search |
| 15:55 | tcohen | ok, next week then |
| 15:56 | June 11 | |
| 15:56 | gmcharlt | +1 |
| 15:56 | thd | +1 |
| 15:56 | ashimema | +1 |
| 15:56 | ztajoli | +1 |
| 15:57 | gmcharlt | same times? |
| 15:57 | tcohen | yes |
| 15:57 | ztajoli | yes |
| 15:57 | gmcharlt | #agreed (pending confirmation) the next development meeting will be on 11 June at 15 and 22 UTC |
| 15:58 | thanks, everybody | |
| 15:58 | #endmeeting | |
| 15:58 | Topic for #koha is now Koha 3.16 release candidate is now available. Next dev meeting is at 15:00 and 22:00 UTC on 21 May 2014. Next general meeting is 3 and 4 June 2014 at 22:00 and 15:00 UTC. Welcome to the IRC home of Koha http://koha-community.org. Please use http://paste.koha-community.org for pastes. | |
| 15:58 | huginn | Meeting ended Wed May 21 15:58:09 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) |
| 15:58 | Minutes: http://meetings.koha-community[…]-05-21-15.02.html | |
| 15:58 | Minutes (text): http://meetings.koha-community[…]4-05-21-15.02.txt | |
| 15:58 | Log: http://meetings.koha-community[…]21-15.02.log.html | |
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| 16:02 | phasefx | trello++ |
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| 17:06 | * magnuse | waves apologetically for missing the meeting |
| 17:17 | waves to Jesse | |
| 17:17 | waves to JesseM even | |
| 17:18 | JesseM | hiya magnuse |
| 17:21 | magnuse | bag_aloo_vet: HI |
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| 18:46 | bag | magnuse: HI |
| 18:46 | wahanui | hey, bag |
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| 19:31 | huginn | New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 12274: Invoice detail: don't crash on certain billing dates <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]3df33edb1ee467002> / Bug 12274: handle closed invoices properly on invoice details page <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]0a799398a434af18d> |
| 19:32 | jenkins_koha | Starting build #1760 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS) |
| 19:35 | jwagner | exit |
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| 20:07 | eythian_ | bag: yo |
| 20:07 | * cait | waves |
| 20:08 | eythian_ | hi cait |
| 20:13 | bag | eythian_: yo |
| 20:27 | eythian_ | bag: was it about now you wanted to talk about plack stuff? |
| 20:27 | bag | yes sir |
| 20:28 | eythian_ | We have this: http://git.catalyst.net.nz/gw?[…]-plack.git;a=tree |
| 20:28 | which converts a package install to a plack install. | |
| 20:28 | However I don't expect it will work well with a gitified install | |
| 20:29 | So my suggestion is that you get whichever install type you want to use set up, and then manually walk through the script here and do the things it will do, accounting for the change in paths etc. | |
| 20:29 | bag | hmm probably not |
| 20:30 | eythian_ | That's essentially how I set up my test environment. |
| 20:30 | bag | right so tell me what you are needing for a library production site |
| 20:31 | ideally you'd like to be package :) but should it be master or 3.16 or ? | |
| 20:31 | eythian_ | The alternative would be to build packages and use this to convert them, but if you plan to swap patches in and out, that might be a bit too heavyweight. |
| 20:31 | 3.16 pretty much is master right now. | |
| 20:31 | So I'd go for 3.16, and apply the patches to be tested to it. | |
| 20:32 | bag | right well it wouldn't be too fast to have to build a new package and deploy - so I git would be best bet for a produciton test |
| 20:32 | #$%!@# typos | |
| 20:32 | heh | |
| 20:32 | eythian_ | It probably would be. |
| 20:32 | bag | ok that's settled |
| 20:33 | what size are you looking for? (first I have to talk them into going 3.16 early) | |
| 20:33 | eythian_ | Oh, also memcached should be configured. |
| 20:33 | Probably small and easy-going to start with :) | |
| 20:33 | bag | cool |
| 20:33 | eythian_ | So they're good at bug reporting, and won't panic if they see something weird. |
| 20:34 | (and they'll be happy that things are fast :) | |
| 20:34 | bag | right and you'd want ssh access? and control the branch? Or would you want to run that through khall |
| 20:34 | eythian_ | Nah, best if it's independent. That means I know it works for other people too :) |
| 20:35 | bag | ideally someone on the west coast - so that you could "be awake" for parts of their heavier lifting periods |
| 20:35 | ok independent is fine | |
| 20:36 | eythian_ | There's a thing to be aware of with memory, too. At the moment, starman pre-allocates. So you'll want at least 2GB, and then set the worker count so that you're not going to fill it up. |
| 20:37 | I can go over with whoever is doing that at the time though. | |
| 20:37 | And share the detail of what I figured out. | |
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| 20:37 | cait | :) |
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| 20:38 | eythian_ | (I don't think plack is yet ready for multitenanted servers, as the processes take their amount of RAM on startup, and never give it up. I'm not totally sure how to deal with that yet, but I have some ideas.) |
| 20:38 | bag | ok I've got someone in mind let me check the size of their ram pool |
| 20:39 | eythian_ | Well, it would probably be OK with a regular multitenanted server, but only one plack setup per server, unless you do it carefully. |
| 20:40 | bag | yeah I've got one that works |
| 20:40 | eythian_ | cool |
| 20:40 | bag | we'll let me give them a call - probably take us a month to convert them and get them on 3.16 |
| 20:41 | nah I think quicker than that - let me call them first | |
| 20:43 | eythian_ | sure |
| 20:44 | bag | eythian_: they are completely down with it |
| 20:44 | So step one... | |
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| 20:44 | eythian_ | that was fast :) |
| 20:44 | bag | Next week we'll put them on 3.16 |
| 20:45 | eythian_ | cool. |
| 20:45 | bag | give them a week to find any major bugs so that we can patch that |
| 20:45 | then after a week - change them to plack on the staff side and let them rip | |
| 20:46 | eythian_ | ah, that's a good plan. |
| 20:46 | bag | it's Heather Hernandez and the San Fransisco Maritime Museum |
| 20:46 | it's a really cool little special library and Heather is top notch - so it's a good match | |
| 20:46 | she's actually been begging me to do something like this so it's cool :) | |
| 20:47 | eythian_ | sweet :) have I seen her on the list from time to time? I feel like that name rings a bell. |
| 20:48 | bag | yes she replies on the list a number of times - she's a good one :) |
| 20:48 | eythian_ | sounds like a good test case then. |
| 20:49 | bag | oh one more question eythian_ |
| 20:49 | are we going to plack both staff and opac? or just staff for now? my vote is both sides | |
| 20:50 | eythian_ | both sides I reckon. We've been using the opac on plack for a while now with no major issues. |
| 20:50 | (for one of our sites, but a quite high traffic one.) | |
| 20:50 | bag | yeah us too |
| 20:51 | just making sure :) | |
| 20:55 | cait | :) |
| 20:55 | i like watching the 2 of you talk plack | |
| 20:56 | improves this week qiute a bit | |
| 20:56 | eythian++ bag++ | |
| 20:56 | bag | cait++ |
| 20:56 | the chocolate bunny is staring at me | |
| 20:56 | eythian_ | EAT IT! |
| 20:57 | * cait | agrees with eythan |
| 20:57 | cait | wow, must be af irst :P |
| 20:57 | eythian_ | haha |
| 20:58 | bag | HA |
| 20:58 | cait just sent you a picture of that bunny staring at me | |
| 21:00 | cait | heh |
| 21:00 | ah bsz mail? | |
| 21:00 | bag | yes bsz mail |
| 21:00 | cait | can not check that now - it throws me out at 11pm |
| 21:00 | bag | WHAT! |
| 21:00 | cait | don't ask me... :) |
| 21:00 | eythian_ | can't work at all hours |
| 21:00 | cait | i will see it in th emorning |
| 21:00 | bag | ok PM me a better email address |
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| 21:09 | bag | but cait I'm proud that the bunny lasts so long :) my goal was six months this year - so I still have aways to go |
| 21:09 | cait | :) |
| 21:16 | bag | oh yeah eythian_ only behind apache or should we put it behind nginx? |
| 21:17 | eythian_ | we use apache |
| 21:18 | but up to you, eventually we might look into nginix. It'll probably work the same in either case. | |
| 21:18 | OK, time to get ready to head to work | |
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| 21:31 | pastebot | "tcohen" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "bgkriegel: this is what I meant" (14 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/13 |
| 21:36 | jenkins_koha | Project Koha_master build #1760: SUCCESS in 2 hr 6 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]Koha_master/1760/ |
| 21:36 | * Jacek Ablewicz: Bug 12274: handle closed invoices properly on invoice details page | |
| 21:36 | * Jonathan Druart: Bug 12274: Invoice detail: don't crash on certain billing dates | |
| 21:36 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=12274 critical, P3, ---, abl, Pushed to Master , Closed invoices not properly handled on invoice details page |
| 21:52 | tcohen | meeting? |
| 21:52 | rangi | in 8 minutes |
| 21:53 | tcohen | hi rangi |
| 21:53 | rangi | hi tcohen |
| 22:00 | #startmeeting | |
| 22:00 | wahanui | if there is a meeting then Brooke must want me |
| 22:00 | huginn | rangi: Error: A meeting name is required, e.g., '#startmeeting Marketing Committee' |
| 22:00 | wahanui | i already had it that way, huginn. |
| 22:00 | rangi | #startmeeting Developer Meeting |
| 22:00 | huginn | Meeting started Wed May 21 22:00:12 2014 UTC. The chair is rangi. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. |
| 22:00 | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | |
| 22:00 | Topic for #koha is now (Meeting topic: Developer Meeting) | |
| 22:00 | huginn | The meeting name has been set to 'developer_meeting' |
| 22:00 | rangi | #topic Introductions |
| 22:00 | wahanui | #info wahanui, a bot that has become sentient |
| 22:00 | Topic for #koha is now Introductions (Meeting topic: Developer Meeting) | |
| 22:00 | cait | #info Katrin Fischer, BSZ |
| 22:00 | rangi | #info Chris Cormack, Catalyst, NZ |
| 22:00 | tcohen | #info Tomas Cohen Arazi, Universidad Nacional de Cordoba |
| 22:01 | bgkriegel | #info Bernardo Gonzalez Kriegel, Córdoba, Argentina |
| 22:01 | rangi | anyone else? |
| 22:01 | #topic RM 3.18 comments | |
| 22:01 | Topic for #koha is now RM 3.18 comments (Meeting topic: Developer Meeting) | |
| 22:01 | rangi | over to you tcohen |
| 22:02 | tcohen | As I said earlier, my main concern is coorindating efforts |
| 22:02 | rangi | seems like a good concern to have :) |
| 22:02 | tcohen | and find bottlenecks that prevent people's work |
| 22:02 | to get in | |
| 22:03 | rangi | what i tried to maintain (not very well) when i was RM was a blog/wiki |
| 22:03 | bag | #info Brendan Gallagher Bywater |
| 22:03 | tcohen | i.e. if someone needs feedback on an aPI definition, I'll try to make that feedback appear |
| 22:03 | rangi | cool |
| 22:03 | maybe if we could try to get a one page summary, (with links out) of the big things people are working on | |
| 22:03 | like a taskboard | |
| 22:04 | tcohen | yeha |
| 22:04 | I've tried with a Trello board | |
| 22:04 | rangi | i can look into doing something with bugzilla to pull that info out |
| 22:04 | tcohen | we'll see what serves the purpose |
| 22:04 | rangi | cool |
| 22:04 | tcohen | i hope to have something to show the MM's next week |
| 22:04 | rangi | sweet |
| 22:05 | cait | QA is curious :) |
| 22:05 | bag | :) |
| 22:05 | rangi | im happy to make a RM page, and a MM page and a QA page on the dashboard too |
| 22:06 | with the info people need for them | |
| 22:06 | ok | |
| 22:06 | #topic Additions to Coding Guidelines | |
| 22:06 | tcohen | QA people will be there of course |
| 22:06 | Topic for #koha is now Additions to Coding Guidelines (Meeting topic: Developer Meeting) | |
| 22:06 | rangi | i see that in the last meeting |
| 22:07 | #info Deprecate C4::SQLHelper | |
| 22:07 | eythian | #info Robin Sheat, Catalyst, NZ |
| 22:07 | rangi | anyone think that is a bad idea, or are we all happy working towards deprecating that? |
| 22:07 | tcohen | i'm sorry i have to leave |
| 22:07 | cait | +1 deprecating |
| 22:07 | tcohen | +1 |
| 22:07 | bye #koha | |
| 22:07 | cait | bye tcohen :) |
| 22:07 | rangi | no probelm tcohen thanks for the update |
| 22:08 | +1 | |
| 22:08 | bag | +1 |
| 22:08 | eythian | oh yes, let it die |
| 22:08 | bag | ha |
| 22:09 | rangi | #agreed we will work towards deprecating C4::SQLHelper (Bug 11385) |
| 22:09 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=11385 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , C4::SQLHelper should be removed |
| 22:09 | rangi | #topic Koha and utf8 |
| 22:09 | Topic for #koha is now Koha and utf8 (Meeting topic: Developer Meeting) | |
| 22:09 | rangi | http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]ting,_21_May_2014 |
| 22:09 | if you have a look here | |
| 22:09 | you will see 3 suggestions about how we can work on getting bug 11944 in | |
| 22:09 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=11944 major, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Needs Signoff , Cleanup Koha UTF-8 |
| 22:10 | rangi | does anyone have any other ideas they want to suggest? |
| 22:11 | cait | mine is one on the wiki :) |
| 22:11 | i'd like to try and have us work through bigger enhancements with a group testig things | |
| 22:11 | bag | no other ideas |
| 22:12 | rangi | in that case i think we'll just leave those for now and let people think a bit more |
| 22:12 | bag | rangi: I only see two |
| 22:12 | cait | so I think a gbsd trying that approach would be nice |
| 22:12 | bag | one is cait's and the other is magnuse's |
| 22:12 | cait | it looks like gmcharlt volunteered during the first meeting to help organize something |
| 22:12 | rangi | there is get former rms |
| 22:12 | there is get a group effort | |
| 22:13 | bag | right I see those two :) |
| 22:13 | rangi | and there is push it early and get people to use more diacritics |
| 22:13 | cait | hm that was suppoesd to happen after the group effort |
| 22:13 | well that's what i meant... try to make it happen early | |
| 22:13 | rangi | right you might want to edit the wiki :) |
| 22:14 | i have no more ideas | |
| 22:14 | bag | oh I thought get former rms and push it early was all the same one |
| 22:14 | cait | me too |
| 22:14 | bag | yeah semantics - the important thing is new ideas and I'm out of ideas :) |
| 22:14 | rangi | #topic what are people working on? |
| 22:14 | Topic for #koha is now what are people working on? (Meeting topic: Developer Meeting) | |
| 22:15 | rangi | #info elasticsearch and plack fixes |
| 22:15 | bag | SPEED! |
| 22:15 | rangi I'd add RDF to that too | |
| 22:15 | once we've got elastic - I'm going to be pushing for RDF | |
| 22:15 | rangi | cool |
| 22:16 | #info RDF/linked data | |
| 22:16 | eythian | bag: talk to magnuse about that, he had some interest too |
| 22:16 | bag | yeah I have talked and will continue to talk with him :) |
| 22:16 | cait | wiki updated |
| 22:16 | bag | magnuse HI |
| 22:16 | cait | :) |
| 22:16 | bag | #info RESTful API's and angluarjs circ client |
| 22:16 | cait | nothing big from us |
| 22:17 | but i'd like to help get some of the big things others do moving :) | |
| 22:17 | bag | that above one is from a group of college students from Colorado school of mines |
| 22:17 | eythian | cait: sounds like you want to help work on elasticsearch to me ;) |
| 22:17 | bag | they are doing a 6 week development class - and I volunteered up an idea - and some students chose it |
| 22:18 | cait | hm can you explain a bit? |
| 22:18 | rangi | cait: yeah, the index table .. you could certainly help with that for elasticsearch :) |
| 22:18 | cait | um... |
| 22:19 | :) | |
| 22:19 | well tell me what you need to know.. and it might need to wait until after library conference | |
| 22:20 | eythian | that's OK, it'll take us a little bit to really settle on the form of data we need. |
| 22:21 | bag | that's it from me rangi |
| 22:22 | rangi | cool |
| 22:22 | #topic meeting dates | |
| 22:22 | Topic for #koha is now meeting dates (Meeting topic: Developer Meeting) | |
| 22:22 | rangi | the next development meeting will be on 11 June at 15 and 22 UTC |
| 22:22 | from the last meeting | |
| 22:22 | any objections? | |
| 22:22 | cait | no |
| 22:23 | bag | nope - I'll be in maine enjoying some lobster :D |
| 22:26 | rangi | #agreed the next development meeting will be on 11 June at 15 and 22 UTC |
| 22:26 | #endmeeting | |
| 22:26 | Topic for #koha is now Koha 3.16 release candidate is now available. Next dev meeting is at 15:00 and 22:00 UTC on 21 May 2014. Next general meeting is 3 and 4 June 2014 at 22:00 and 15:00 UTC. Welcome to the IRC home of Koha http://koha-community.org. Please use http://paste.koha-community.org for pastes. | |
| 22:26 | huginn | Meeting ended Wed May 21 22:26:20 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) |
| 22:26 | Minutes: http://meetings.koha-community[…]-05-21-22.00.html | |
| 22:26 | Minutes (text): http://meetings.koha-community[…]4-05-21-22.00.txt | |
| 22:26 | Log: http://meetings.koha-community[…]21-22.00.log.html | |
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| 23:07 | pianohacker | hi guys |
| 23:08 | rangi | hi pianohacker |
| 23:09 | pianohacker | hi rangi |
| 23:09 | * cait | waves |
| 23:09 | pianohacker | hi cait :) |
| 23:09 | cait | pianohacker: remember the sound problem i had a while ago? |
| 23:10 | pianohacker | vaguely.. |
| 23:10 | cait | i got new speakers for the laptop today... was the hardware failing :) |
| 23:11 | bag | too much melted bunny in those old speakers |
| 23:11 | ^^^ wow that reads awesomely | |
| 23:11 | cait | lol |
| 23:11 | i eat them, i don't feed them to the laptop ;) | |
| 23:12 | bag | HA - mine is the guard of my keyboard |
| 23:12 | cait | from the looks of your keyboard you should eat it :) |
| 23:12 | bag | just incase pianohacker gets near to mess with my keyboard - the bunny will defend it |
| 23:12 | cait | hehe |
| 23:13 | i imagined the bunny attacking pianohacker | |
| 23:13 | ok, time to sleep and dream about chocolate bunnies | |
| 23:13 | night all | |
| 23:13 | wahanui | goodnight cait. You'll be back. |
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| 23:14 | pianohacker | bag: you may think so, but remember, the keyboard has two halves |
| 23:14 | one will distract the bunny | |
| 23:14 | and the other will ninja and attack when you least expect it! | |
| 23:15 | bag | yeah I'm just talking about protecting my keyboard |
| 23:18 | eythian | https://stackoverflow.com/ques[…]e/4505773#4505773 <-- I propose a new coding style for Koha, here's an example. |
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| 23:55 | eythian | what part of the qa tool stuff is it that tells you about POD errors? |
| 23:55 | pianohacker | that's beautifully terrible :) |
| 23:56 | does anyone here have experience with git-rerere? It looks really useful, especially for Koha development's rebase-heavy workflow | |
| 23:58 | rangi | never tried, you should and tell us all about it :) |
| 23:59 | pianohacker | ha! okay then :) |
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