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| Time | Nick | Message |
|---|---|---|
| 00:07 | dcook | @$#%^# |
| 00:07 | huginn | dcook: I'll give you the answer just as soon as RDA is ready |
| 00:13 | tcohen joined #koha | |
| 00:13 | dcook | o/ tcohen! |
| 00:14 | tcohen | \o |
| 00:14 | dcook | Back home? |
| 00:15 | tcohen | work + meetings + tennis -> home |
| 00:15 | dcook | Sounds like an all right day |
| 00:15 | I was wondering if you were back from your honeymoon ;) | |
| 00:15 | I only saw some photos but it looked interesting! | |
| 00:16 | tcohen | yes, i got back two weeks ago |
| 00:17 | it was a 28 day trip in europe | |
| 00:18 | rangi: i don't think the ppa's should substitute our repo, I was thinking more of the way they work and expect us to send our stuff | |
| 00:19 | i might set my own just for testing purposes | |
| 00:19 | rangi | its a lot faster to just build your own packages using the build-git-snapshot and pbuilder .. a lot faster |
| 00:19 | you have to wait for it to get built, and it can be in the queue for hours | |
| 00:20 | dcook | tcohen: Well, welcome home belatedly! |
| 00:20 | Is this Debian's introduction of PPAs? | |
| 00:20 | rangi | nope |
| 00:21 | tcohen | i just noticed that the ppa's expect us to provide patches specific for each dist build |
| 00:21 | rangi | only where needed |
| 00:21 | tcohen | so for the same codebase, one provides the patches for (for example) a specific apache version |
| 00:22 | rangi | yeah thats the same with any package |
| 00:22 | tcohen | i already have the patches for it to work with either version |
| 00:22 | so i don't need that | |
| 00:22 | rangi | thats not specific to ppa |
| 00:22 | tcohen | exactly |
| 00:22 | rangi | if you are building for unstable, you should make it work with the unstable apache |
| 00:22 | tcohen | i was just commenting that another approach (rather then supporting everything in the same code) is used too |
| 00:23 | rangi | yep |
| 00:23 | however that doesnt help the people using tar | |
| 00:23 | * dcook | perks up |
| 00:23 | tcohen | i just didn't know it before i read the ppa docs |
| 00:23 | rangi | so if we can do it, we should |
| 00:23 | ahh right :) | |
| 00:23 | dcook | As a non-package user, I'm very interested |
| 00:23 | rangi | you can do it with quilt quite easily |
| 00:24 | tcohen | quilt? |
| 00:24 | rangi | i was fixing debian bugs last weekend with debian/patches for stuff, using quilt |
| 00:25 | http://pkg-perl.alioth.debian.[…]/howto/quilt.html | |
| 00:25 | tcohen | damn rangi, more stuff to read before bed! |
| 00:25 | heh | |
| 00:25 | rangi | you usually do this |
| 00:25 | when you arent the upstream | |
| 00:25 | say if i was packaging koha, but wasnt a developer of koha | |
| 00:26 | i would add the changes i need as a debian patch .. | |
| 00:26 | since we are upstream as well, we dont have to do that, we can edit the koha-conf.xml.in file ourselves etc | |
| 00:27 | but it doesnt hurt to know about it | |
| 00:27 | maybe i could do a packaging tutorial or something at kohacon | |
| 00:28 | tcohen | :-D |
| 00:28 | rangi | since we want/need to package upstream perl modules sometimes too |
| 00:28 | tcohen | btw, how do i ask Debian perl maintainers to update some lib I maintain? |
| 00:29 | rangi | the best thing to do |
| 00:29 | wahanui | it has been said that the best thing to do is make the password VERY secure |
| 00:29 | rangi | http://pkg-perl.alioth.debian.org/ |
| 00:29 | tcohen | thanks rangi |
| 00:29 | rangi | its a very low barrier to entry, so you could even join the debian perl group and update the modules yourself |
| 00:30 | * tcohen | hopes he finds the time to publish Memoize::Memcached v1.00 soon |
| 00:35 | tcohen | rangi, if you have some time would you take a look at https://github.com/tomascohen/[…]g_11404_apache2.4 ? |
| 00:36 | i've been focused on the packages | |
| 00:36 | rangi | yep ill have a look after lunch |
| 00:36 | tcohen | thanks! |
| 00:36 | there might be some glitches | |
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| 00:40 | tcohen | dcook, as a tar user, do u think you could benefit from bug 11962? |
| 00:40 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=11962 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, NEW , New 'cluster' install mode |
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| 01:03 | * dcook | is having a mega rant on Bugzilla it seems |
| 01:03 | dcook | Sorry for spamming everyone |
| 01:04 | @later tell tcohen Possibly, although we use a non-standard FS layout, so probably not for us. Seems like a worthwhile goal overall though! | |
| 01:04 | huginn | dcook: The operation succeeded. |
| 01:08 | tcohen joined #koha | |
| 01:09 | tcohen | networking issues |
| 01:09 | night #koha, pizza time :-D | |
| 01:09 | dcook | Mmm pizza |
| 01:09 | night tcohen! | |
| 01:10 | rangi | you've ranted more than it would take to write a patch :) |
| 01:11 | dcook | Hehe. I don't know about that. |
| 01:11 | Maybe to write the patch. Probably not the test plan though. | |
| 01:12 | I don't really see the purpose of that syspref anyway. | |
| 01:12 | I think Owen was bang on about using the existing pref from the start | |
| 01:12 | * dcook | hasn't had breakfast so he might be a bit ornery |
| 01:12 | dcook | I have a few re-writes to the XSLT that will come up eventually anyway.. |
| 01:13 | Thought I'd make folks aware in any case :p | |
| 01:14 | Actually, while you're around rangi, can you shed some light on the link tracking? | |
| 01:14 | rangi | yep |
| 01:14 | dcook | So you set the pref, and then you get the data using your own SQL queries from scratch? |
| 01:14 | rangi | yep |
| 01:15 | dcook | Cool. Nothing else involved? |
| 01:15 | rangi | nope |
| 01:15 | dcook | Sweet as. Thanks :) |
| 01:15 | rangi | just select * from linktracker |
| 01:15 | and whatever conditions you want | |
| 01:16 | dcook | Sounds good. I'm working on our new Koha, so trying to combine all the changes.. |
| 01:16 | rangi | sweet |
| 01:17 | dcook | Now I'm remembering why we made a change :p |
| 01:17 | It groups and deduplicates bib level and item level links, so that you can get them in the results as well.. | |
| 01:17 | All the patches... | |
| 01:17 | * dcook | is pretty sure he doesn't even sound coherent anymore |
| 01:21 | dcook | Actually, I guess those first few posts would be an easy patch.. |
| 01:22 | Well, maybe they all are. | |
| 01:22 | * dcook | takes a cupcake break. |
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| 02:01 | dcook | rangi++ |
| 02:01 | That link tracker is a nice touch | |
| 03:27 | eythian | hi |
| 03:28 | * dcook | waves |
| 03:33 | * eythian | once again has a valid first aid qualification |
| 03:34 | eythian | (actually, I don't know that my old one expired, but it was getting close.) |
| 03:34 | wizzyrea | I feel ok having a heart attack now. |
| 03:34 | j/k | |
| 03:34 | dcook | Ack! |
| 03:34 | eythian | yeah, we talked about rangi :) |
| 03:34 | dcook | Gotta make sure someone is around to keep rangi in working order :p |
| 03:35 | rangi | heh |
| 03:45 | eythian | the koha list definitely seems to be playing up. |
| 03:45 | Something I sent on wednesday appeared to only arrive this morning. | |
| 03:51 | http://blog.petflow.com/truly-[…]s-smart-must-see/ <-- honey badgers | |
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| 05:07 | cait | hi #koha |
| 05:50 | dcook | yo cait |
| 05:58 | cait | h dcook |
| 05:59 | @wunder Konstanz | |
| 05:59 | huginn | cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 12.7°C (7:55 AM CEST on May 09, 2014). Conditions: Light Drizzle. Humidity: 90%. Dew Point: 11.0°C. Pressure: 30.06 in 1018 hPa (Steady). |
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| 06:42 | * magnuse | waves |
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| 06:52 | reiveune | hello |
| 06:52 | wahanui | bonjour, reiveune |
| 06:58 | magnuse | hiya sophie_m and reiveune |
| 06:58 | reiveune | hi magnuse |
| 06:58 | sophie_m | hello magnuse and #koha |
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| 07:02 | alex_a | bonjour |
| 07:06 | sophie_m | khall_away: I only receive now your notification on bug 9593, sorry for not answering before, but I see that now it is pushed |
| 07:06 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9593 normal, P5 - low, ---, sophie.meynieux, Pushed to Master , Prices not imported correctly from a staged file |
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| 07:48 | paxed | magnuse: re. trimming placeholders from po-files, see bug 12221 |
| 07:48 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=12221 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, pasi.kallinen, NEW , Remove TT statement placeholders from translatable strings |
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| 07:54 | cait | ping gmcharlt |
| 07:57 | ashimema | morning cait |
| 07:57 | cait | morning |
| 08:00 | ashimema: read your pm | |
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| 08:32 | ashimema | :) |
| 10:25 | cait | quiet freiday |
| 10:26 | hm friday | |
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| 10:52 | ashimema | super quiet |
| 10:58 | * magnuse | hums "it's oh so quiet" almost inaudibly |
| 11:00 | barton | ping ashimema |
| 11:03 | ashimema | hi |
| 11:05 | barton | morning khall! |
| 11:05 | khall | mornin all! |
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| 11:09 | barton | @later tell ashimema there's a broken link on your 'adding a link to zebra' page: 'Updating Koha Install' does not exist on the koha wiki. |
| 11:09 | huginn | barton: The operation succeeded. |
| 11:10 | ashimema | I'm here barton ;) |
| 11:11 | * barton | shakes his head... |
| 11:11 | barton | not enough coffee yet. |
| 11:12 | ashimema | just in a call.. will reply in a minute |
| 11:14 | barton | so... I've been working through your instructions for updating zebra indexes... you suggest working in kohaclone, then running the 'koha update procedure'... but the link to that is broken. |
| 11:20 | * barton | has coffee now... Coffee: |==>|................| 20 % <== this means that I'm functional ;-) |
| 11:22 | magnuse | yay! :-) |
| 11:22 | barton | coffee++ |
| 11:23 | morning magnuse :-) | |
| 11:25 | magnuse | howdy barton |
| 11:26 | barton | @wunder oslo |
| 11:26 | huginn | barton: The current temperature in Kikut, Oslo, Norway is 6.9°C (1:16 PM CEST on May 09, 2014). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 69%. Dew Point: 2.0°C. Windchill: 6.0°C. Pressure: 29.62 in 1003 hPa (Steady). |
| 11:27 | barton | heh. |
| 11:29 | I don't think that my irssi 'ring the bell when my name shows up' plugin likes unicode. | |
| 11:29 | hense the dbus message above. | |
| 11:30 | Ironically, it's never actually notified me of anything, either. | |
| 11:31 | ashimema | ok barton, I've lifted the relevant page from our internal wiki now. |
| 11:31 | barton | aha! |
| 11:32 | * barton | refreshes wiki/MRenvoize/zebra ... |
| 11:32 | ashimema | The command set in there is based on how we install koha though.. |
| 11:32 | barton | et voila! |
| 11:33 | nod. | |
| 11:33 | ashimema | which is a dev install using git etc.. so you may need to alter some apths etc.. |
| 11:33 | the important bit is running through the makefile, make and make upgrade steps.. then rebuilding zebra. | |
| 11:33 | barton | right... I think that we do basically the same... |
| 11:33 | ashimema | else your changes won't take effect |
| 11:33 | :) | |
| 11:34 | barton | ... but we're also moving toward a gitified package install. |
| 11:34 | ashimema | yeah, we've been doing that.. |
| 11:34 | barton | but this gives me somewhere to start. |
| 11:34 | ashimema | in fact, we're now building our own repositories and going the whole pacakge appraoch |
| 11:35 | gitified could be interesting.. as managing the zebra config will be a tad different in terms of all the locations.. | |
| 11:35 | barton | right. |
| 11:36 | ashimema | may be worth looking at: http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=12216 |
| 11:36 | huginn | 04Bug 12216: enhancement, P4, ---, martin.renvoize, Needs Signoff , One should be able to override zebra configuration on a per instance basis |
| 11:37 | ashimema | and of course.. your bug 11910 |
| 11:37 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=11910 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Adding a zebra index should be a configuration change. |
| 11:37 | ashimema | it's the last missing step really ;) |
| 11:37 | barton | exactly. |
| 11:38 | well, thanks for the update... that will give larrby, khall and me something to talk aobut today :-) | |
| 11:39 | ashimema | should be sort of straight forward to add a syspref or config option to enable simple additon of indexes to for koha's array.. |
| 11:39 | but I don't really have the time to do it at the moment. | |
| 11:39 | barton | who does? |
| 11:39 | ;-) | |
| 11:39 | ashimema | lol |
| 11:40 | barton | ... although frankly, I've got a pile of zebra index tickets that I'm going to be able to close real soon now... |
| 11:40 | oh, one more question. | |
| 11:40 | ashimema | My approach would be to append an array (based upon a directive in koha-conf.xml) to the indexes array in Search.pm. sure khall could nock that up in minutes ;) |
| 11:40 | go ahead | |
| 11:40 | khall | indeed! |
| 11:41 | ashimema | haha.. sorry khall.. volunteering you ;) |
| 11:41 | barton | oh, he's used to it. |
| 11:41 | khall | np! ; ) |
| 11:41 | ashimema | (I'll sign it off though.. ;) ) |
| 11:41 | khall | that is exactly what we've discussed doing as well |
| 11:42 | barton | your 'Additional steps for DOM indexing...' section -- you've got a couple of lines that get added to ' ~/kohaclone/etc/zebradb/marc_defs/marc21/biblios/biblio-koha-indexdefs.xml' |
| 11:42 | ashimema | along with the packages patch I've put together it'll allow proper customisation of zebra config all over I beleive |
| 11:42 | mmm. | |
| 11:42 | khall | it would also be nice to have a system to add new indexes to the advanced search pulldown, but that's a different ball of wax. We just do it with jquery at the moment |
| 11:43 | ashimema | yeah, that's true. |
| 11:43 | cait | ping gmcharlt |
| 11:43 | ashimema | zebra is a complex beast |
| 11:44 | barton | I've been testing your process against 3.14.05 -- I don't think that my biblio-koha-indexdefs.xml ends up looking like yours... |
| 11:44 | ashimema | barton: those additional steps are highly frowned upon by Jared.. you have been warned ;) |
| 11:45 | basically, I run through the step 2 (using scripts to create new dom configs) having taken a backups of the existing ones.. | |
| 11:45 | barton | ok, I think I'll skip them... |
| 11:45 | ashimema | then I just diff the backup and the newly created ones.. and make sure I've not accidentally dropped anything from the backup that I didn't want to |
| 11:45 | * cait | waves |
| 11:46 | * barton | waves at cait. |
| 11:46 | ashimema | problem is.. those scripts a) create a massive diff due to the comments with linenumber, and B) grs1 and dom haven't been kept in sync well generally.. so they are often mor different than you may expect |
| 11:47 | barton | hm. |
| 11:47 | cait | barton: we also go the full package approach, i think there were some security concerns about git installs in the past |
| 11:47 | khall | hi cait! |
| 11:47 | cait | hi khall |
| 11:48 | ashimema | Are you suing Dom barton? |
| 11:48 | cait | why would he sue the dom? |
| 11:48 | barton | using yes, suing, no ;-) |
| 11:48 | ashimema | if you are, you'll deffo need a hacked up version of those additional steps ;) |
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| 11:48 | ashimema | haha.. classic typo |
| 11:48 | cait | ... it as just too tempting :) |
| 11:52 | barton | ok. I've got my spear and magic helmet ... |
| 11:52 | cait | good luck :) |
| 11:52 | barton | kill the zebra, kill the, kill the ZEEEE-BRA!!! |
| 11:53 | (appoligies to elmer fudd) | |
| 11:53 | ashimema | ok, barton, I've updated the instructions a bit to be more generic |
| 11:53 | * cait | prefer taming it |
| 11:53 | ashimema | Jared still won't like them, as he goes on about never ever using those scripts to generate configs again.. |
| 11:54 | but I'm no pro in writing the DOM config manually.. so I use them and deal with the consequences | |
| 11:54 | barton | ashimema++ |
| 11:54 | ashimema | jcamins, surprised you've not shot me down in flames yet ;) |
| 11:55 | jcamins | ashimema: if you want to do something stupid after you *know* it's stupid, I don't really care... it's just when there's a possibility that you're doing something dumb because you don't know any better that I'll point it out. |
| 11:55 | barton | maybe jcamins hasn't had his coffee yet, either. |
| 11:55 | ashimema | hehe.. thanks jcamins.. that's reasonable.. |
| 11:55 | jcamins | Also, I've already pointed out to Barton that doing that is a Bad Idea, so there's no one involved in the conversation who might leave with incorrect ideas. |
| 11:56 | * barton | stands corrected. |
| 11:56 | ashimema | I'm still stuck on getting QueryParser working with opacsupression though.. |
| 11:56 | eythian was having similar issues with getting elasticsearch working with supression | |
| 11:56 | supression is plain baldy implimented | |
| 11:56 | hehe :) | |
| 11:57 | jcamins | You said it! |
| 11:57 | ashimema | I really aught to take another look at that bug.. we simply can't use QP until that's fixed :'( |
| 11:57 | barton | um, jcamins ... actually I *don't* remember you polnting out to me that this was a bad idea... |
| 11:58 | ashimema | he did.. when I first added that page to the wiki for you ;) |
| 11:58 | I remember ;) | |
| 11:58 | jcamins | barton: really? I could've sworn you were part of the conversation when ashimena added the page and I said "STOP!!!! DON'T FOLLOW THOSE DIRECTIONS UNTIL YOU KNOW THAT YOU SHOULDN'T REGENERATE THE DOM CONFIGS!!!" |
| 11:59 | ashimema | hehe.. yup.. that's how I remember it |
| 12:00 | barton | hm. that slightly rings a bell ... |
| 12:00 | ashimema | which reminds me.. I'd like a aptch to ditch all the comments in those dom files at some point.. if w don't want them relating to grs anymore.. then they don't need to be there.. they're just confusing |
| 12:00 | jcamins | Agreed. |
| 12:00 | ashimema | :) |
| 12:03 | barton | so ... is there someplace that I could read up on regenerating DOM configs? |
| 12:03 | jcamins | gmcharlt did write some documentation, but I don't remember where it is. It's a pretty straightforward format. |
| 12:05 | ashimema | I'm sure it's not too bad.. but I've been trying to keep the configs in sync whilst we support both.. and i've found the easiest way was to regenerate and then diff accross the 'special' bits for dom |
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| 12:08 | barton | ok, that makes sense, more or less. |
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| 12:10 | ashimema | ack.. my IRC just crashed.. |
| 12:10 | did I miss anything | |
| 12:10 | jcamins | ashimema: yeah, there was a moment of Transendent Moment of Understanding. |
| 12:12 | ashimema | :) |
| 12:12 | glad to hear it ;) | |
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| 12:17 | oleonard | Hi #koha |
| 12:18 | cait | hi oleonard :) |
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| 12:28 | tcohen | morning #koha |
| 12:28 | ashimema | morning tcohen |
| 12:29 | tcohen | dcookhi |
| 12:29 | hi ashimema | |
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| 12:46 | tcohen | hi magnuse |
| 12:59 | barton | ashimema: If you fix the ~/kohaclone/etc/zebradb/marc_defs/marc21/biblios/biblio-koha-indexdefs.xml before you run xsltproc, that basically takes care of ~/kohaclone/etc/zebradb/marc_defs/marc21/biblios/biblio-zebra-indexdefs.xsl ... the only changes that I had there were the ones that I wanted. |
| 13:00 | I think that it's worth doing a diff after the fact, just to make sure... | |
| 13:00 | ashimema | sounds fair to me barton |
| 13:01 | barton | i'll update your wiki page. |
| 13:01 | ashimema | it's a while since i've actually followed the instructions to be honest.. I understand it just about well enough to fly by the seed of my pants now ;) |
| 13:01 | :) | |
| 13:01 | feel free to 'publish' it somewhere more sensible if you like. | |
| 13:02 | I left it under my username whilst it was a bit crude.. but it sounds like you've got allot of it tidied up nicely now.. | |
| 13:03 | barton | Yeah, I will, once I've been through it once or twice. I'm still learning... |
| 13:06 | markvandenborre | I have a library of 2702 pieces of sheet music |
| 13:07 | right now, the only metadata we have is in iTunes (don't ask) | |
| 13:07 | the only fields are: title, code, level (string), various (string), instrument, composer | |
| 13:07 | and pdf document | |
| 13:08 | is there an easy and clean way to import these into koha? | |
| 13:08 | without wading through piles and piles of metadata fields? | |
| 13:09 | the goal would be to upgrade this data set in the long term with some extra fields (publisher, ...) | |
| 13:10 | but to keep things as simple as possible in the short term, and to have something up and running | |
| 13:10 | asap | |
| 13:10 | jcamins | markvandenborre: you'll need to convert your records into MARC format. You'll probably need to write a script to do that, though if you can get a CSV out of iTunes, you might be able to make use of that. |
| 13:11 | There is already a script for converting CSVs to MARC. | |
| 13:12 | markvandenborre | jcamins: I have pulled some csv out of iTunes (don't ask how, it was horrible) |
| 13:12 | jcamins | markvandenborre: in that case... |
| 13:12 | wahanui | in that case is preferable thar each text be inside some tag, then it will be picked alone, and not with all %s mess, they are left and removed by Bug 11631 |
| 13:12 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=11631 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, pasi.kallinen, Pushed to Master , Make translation toolchain ignore useless translatable strings |
| 13:12 | jcamins | koha tool box? |
| 13:12 | koha toolbox? | |
| 13:12 | toolbox? | |
| 13:12 | migration toolbox? | |
| 13:12 | wahanui | well, migration toolbox is https://gitorious.org/koha-migration-toolbox |
| 13:13 | jcamins | ^^ there's a csv to marc script in the migration toolbox. |
| 13:13 | oleonard | wahanui: forget in that case |
| 13:13 | wahanui | oleonard: I forgot in that case |
| 13:14 | markvandenborre | but don't I need to define an item type for this kind of thing first? |
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| 13:16 | jcamins | Possibly. That's a policy decision. How you want to handle item types, etc. |
| 13:17 | markvandenborre | jcamins: I was hoping to get a better idea of minimal steps to take |
| 13:18 | there seem to be quite a few layers of metadata in koha (probably rightly so for many situations) | |
| 13:18 | jcamins | If I had scanned sheet music, all I would do is convert the CSV into MARC and load it into Koha. |
| 13:18 | I would not add any items. | |
| 13:19 | markvandenborre | ok, I'll try and do that first then |
| 13:19 | the point of course being that all of these will need to be edited (pdf url field needs to be customised) | |
| 13:19 | jcamins | But whether that's what you want to do is a policy decision. If you have multiple branches, or the sheet music exists somewhere physically as well, you might want items. |
| 13:20 | markvandenborre | jcamins: no, we don't want that (for the moment) |
| 13:20 | there is only one branch | |
| 13:20 | the main one | |
| 13:20 | and we don't want the physical copies of the sheet music to be used | |
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| 13:21 | markvandenborre | jcamins: /me is looking at the conversion scripts |
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| 13:31 | markvandenborre | jcamins: so I run the csvtomarc.pl script, and I get a text file that I can import somehow into koha... |
| 13:31 | jcamins | It generates MARC records which you can load through the Stage MARC Record tool. |
| 13:32 | You'll have to read the documentation for that script, because you have to do all the mapping on the command line. | |
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| 13:35 | mveron | Hi #koha |
| 13:36 | barton | ashimema: I just made those changes; also I added a 'REGENERATE THE DOM CONFIGS' step -- there should be a link there to any documentation that we have about that. |
| 13:36 | morning mveron | |
| 13:38 | mveron | Good afternoon barton :-) |
| 13:38 | @wunder allschwil | |
| 13:38 | huginn | mveron: The current temperature in Wetter Allschwil, Allschwil, Switzerland is 22.1°C (3:38 PM CEST on May 09, 2014). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 55%. Dew Point: 13.0°C. Pressure: 30.06 in 1018 hPa (Steady). |
| 13:38 | markvandenborre | jcamins: thank you for the hints |
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| 14:05 | khall | I'm getting bad search results on master: http://i.imgur.com/ff3BorL.png |
| 14:13 | mveron | khall: See Bug 9612 - SRU Response is different when DOM indexing is enabled . A patch that fixes this issue is pushed. |
| 14:13 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9612 minor, P5 - low, ---, m.de.rooy, Needs Signoff , SRU Response is different when DOM indexing is enabled |
| 14:14 | khall | thanks! |
| 14:16 | mveron | Sorry, mistaked, has "Needs Signoff" as status. |
| 14:17 | oleonard | khall: And then you can sign off :) |
| 14:19 | * mveron | ...thinks that it could be set to critical or higher... |
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| 14:45 | rambutan | @wunder 64507 |
| 14:45 | huginn | rambutan: The current temperature in Wyatt Park, St Joseph, Missouri is 13.4°C (9:45 AM CDT on May 09, 2014). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 64%. Dew Point: 7.0°C. Pressure: 29.91 in 1013 hPa (Rising). |
| 14:54 | New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 12214: (follow-up) Clean up reports-toolbar.inc, show Edit link when SQL has... <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]07dfc24beab0b88dd> / Bug 12214: (follow-up) correct POD of C4::Reports::Guided::execute_query() <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]d3976ec0f865bb370> / Bug 12214: display SQL errors in reports to users | |
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| 15:01 | jenkins_koha | Starting build #1750 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS) |
| 15:02 | cait | nice |
| 15:05 | tcohen | hi cait |
| 15:05 | reiveune | bye |
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| 15:06 | cait | hi tcohen |
| 15:14 | markvandenborre | hm, anyone used csvtomarc.pl before? |
| 15:14 | I have all dependencies installed, and I am quite certain I am calling it in the right way | |
| 15:14 | but for some reason it complains about | |
| 15:15 | Missing column specified in the mapping: titel doesn't exist in migrate.csv | |
| 15:15 | while the first line of that file says: | |
| 15:15 | code;titel;graad;stuk/studie/methode (string);instrument;componist (string); | |
| 15:16 | jcamins: any idea? | |
| 15:16 | I'm not a perfect perl reader | |
| 15:16 | jcamins | markvandenborre: I can't really troubleshoot, but if I had to guess, I'd say you might not have changed the separator character. |
| 15:17 | markvandenborre | it doesn't seem to tell what separator it expects, but indeed... |
| 15:17 | jcamins: I was hoping someone would be able to tell me what separator it was expecting | |
| 15:17 | jcamins | Comma. |
| 15:17 | markvandenborre | _ah_ |
| 15:17 | brilliant, thank you | |
| 15:18 | jcamins | CSV is generally pronounced "comma-separated values," even though technically it stands for "character-separated values." |
| 15:20 | markvandenborre | I tried to avoid using commas since some book titles tend to contain them... |
| 15:21 | jcamins | Yeah, that's why the best thing to do is change the separator character the script is using. |
| 15:23 | markvandenborre | just did that |
| 15:23 | thx for the hint | |
| 15:23 | it seems to be workign | |
| 15:24 | huginn | New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 12065: use encode_qp consistently when sending basket/shelf <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]5ad604c446a50f751> |
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| 16:09 | markvandenborre | I'm looking through all kinds of metadata fields and I'm not really sure |
| 16:09 | how to map these very basic fields from csv to marc | |
| 16:10 | title, code, level (string), various (string), instrument, composer and (internal) url | |
| 16:10 | the csvtomarc.pl tool gives the example of title as something to map | |
| 16:10 | but I'm not 100% where to find this | |
| 16:11 | talljoy | markvandenborre i've used it before and ethyian is the one who wrote it, if i'm not mistaken. |
| 16:11 | markvandenborre | I understand the syntax, and it's working correctly |
| 16:11 | but I don't know the exact name of the marc side of mappings of the fields | |
| 16:11 | so I have a composer | |
| 16:11 | header in the csv file | |
| 16:12 | but I don't know the name of the marc field to map this to | |
| 16:12 | I have a url field and I have been looking into koha | |
| 16:12 | talljoy | oh, that is cataloging question. |
| 16:12 | markvandenborre | and found something like 856u there |
| 16:12 | that stands for url | |
| 16:13 | gmcharlt | are your records all works of musics? |
| 16:13 | talljoy | yes your url woud go in th 856u |
| 16:13 | http://oclc.org/bibformats/en/0xx.html is a great resource for marc tags | |
| 16:13 | markvandenborre | gmcharlt: all sheet music, correct |
| 16:14 | gmcharlt | then for the easy ones |
| 16:14 | title = 245a | |
| 16:14 | composer = 100a | |
| 16:14 | talljoy | additional composers/lyricists 700a |
| 16:16 | markvandenborre | so I just use these numbers that I can find in the url that talljoy just gave |
| 16:16 | ? | |
| 16:16 | as mappings in csvtomarc.pl? | |
| 16:17 | ok | |
| 16:18 | 100a doesn't appear to be a valid Koha field name. | |
| 16:18 | is what I get... | |
| 16:19 | so I'm not entirely sure yet where I can find a list of destination mappings | |
| 16:19 | oleonard | khall: So online registration requires that autoMemberNum be turned on, otherwise patrons who register online will be created with no barcode number |
| 16:19 | markvandenborre | for use with this koha migration toolbox script csvtomarc.pl |
| 16:19 | oleonard | khall: I think this is incorrect. |
| 16:21 | markvandenborre | somehow, this script "knows" what "title" means |
| 16:22 | and running csvtomarc.pl with only the 'titel=title' mapping results in something like http://pastie.org/9159718 | |
| 16:23 | gmcharlt | hmm; there are a few scripts of that name running around |
| 16:23 | could you point to the one you're using specifically? | |
| 16:23 | cait | i think you need to tell it the field it goes to - 245a somewhere |
| 16:23 | markvandenborre | correct, just found information about that in the source of the script |
| 16:23 | marc:100a | |
| 16:24 | cait | german records? :) |
| 16:24 | markvandenborre | German sheet music |
| 16:24 | cait | nice |
| 16:24 | markvandenborre | or, to be correct, German sheet music records |
| 16:24 | :-) | |
| 16:24 | talljoy | this is an example of one of my mapping lines in the csvtomarc script |
| 16:24 | --mapping=SHOW=marc:245_a? | |
| 16:25 | SHOW is the column heading and it is mapped to the marc tag 245 a. | |
| 16:40 | markvandenborre | talljoy: thx, just found that out too |
| 16:40 | by RTFS (reading the ....... source) | |
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| 16:46 | markvandenborre | how would you map an existing unique code to marc? |
| 16:47 | jcamins | markvandenborre: there's pretty extensive Perldoc, as I recall. But the actual fields you'll have to figure out by talking to your catalogers (or if you're the cataloger, by looking at the standard). |
| 16:47 | markvandenborre | the code is just a label that was (inconsistently) |
| 16:47 | applied locally to the book | |
| 16:47 | it wasn't applied to every piece of sheet music | |
| 16:47 | jcamins | Well, that could be an argument for creating items, so you could use the call number field. |
| 16:48 | markvandenborre | ah, an item is a local "instance" of a particular book? |
| 16:48 | jcamins | Exactly. |
| 16:49 | Well... usually. | |
| 16:50 | markvandenborre | ...and presumably, there is no way to keep that local information |
| 16:50 | unless I create items then, right? | |
| 16:50 | jcamins | You can use any fields for local information, if you're not sharing your records. |
| 16:51 | markvandenborre | ...but that would rather be abusing fields |
| 16:51 | ? | |
| 16:51 | jcamins | If you're not a library cataloger, you won't care, so why would anyone else? |
| 16:52 | * jcamins | takes a very cavalier attitude toward these things. |
| 16:52 | jcamins | The MARC standard should have been retired >20 years ago. Just making it work is enough trouble. |
| 16:52 | markvandenborre | so let me take an example... instrument |
| 16:52 | oleonard | We should really stop letting people believe that Koha can restrict the number of holds a patron can place. |
| 16:52 | bag_away | oleonard++ |
| 16:53 | jcamins | markvandenborre: there may be a field for that sort of thing. There probably is, in the 5xx fields. |
| 16:53 | markvandenborre | jcamins: I had already figured that out more or less |
| 16:54 | jcamins | Okay. |
| 16:55 | markvandenborre | koha really feels like a very friendly community around really ancient technology |
| 16:55 | jcamins | That's pretty accurate. |
| 16:55 | oleonard | ...assuming you're talking about MARC and the holds system. |
| 16:56 | markvandenborre | ...and perl |
| 16:56 | * markvandenborre | ducks |
| 16:56 | markvandenborre | also, about really nice people like jcamins or cait or talljoy or ... |
| 16:56 | oleonard | Then computers are ancient too, but that doesn't mean you have to use the oldest one. |
| 16:57 | * markvandenborre | has looked at 5xx and not really found anything useful there |
| 16:58 | talljoy | happy to help markvandenborre |
| 16:59 | markvandenborre | jcamins: or do you mean like that is a place where one could use an unrelated field |
| 16:59 | (or abuse an unrelated field) | |
| 17:00 | gmcharlt | the 500a (general note) is a good catchall |
| 17:00 | ashimema | perls still alive and kicking.. but feel free to re-wrtie koha in python if you have the inclination ;) |
| 17:00 | markvandenborre | cool |
| 17:00 | ashimema | :) |
| 17:01 | jcamins | markvandenborre: I meant there was a good chance a field would already exist, and if not, you can use a related field, or, if there isn't even one that's similar, 500 is good for everything. |
| 17:01 | markvandenborre | I just dug in more deeply |
| 17:01 | and saw what you meant | |
| 17:01 | thx | |
| 17:03 | gmcharlt: you mean 500n (misc info) instead of 500a (uniform title) I presume? | |
| 17:03 | gmcharlt | 500a |
| 17:03 | jcamins | markvandenborre: where are you located? |
| 17:03 | gmcharlt | @marc 500$a |
| 17:03 | huginn | gmcharlt: unknown tag 500$a |
| 17:03 | gmcharlt | @marc 500 a |
| 17:03 | huginn | gmcharlt: General note |
| 17:04 | markvandenborre | ah, EU |
| 17:04 | versus US | |
| 17:04 | ? | |
| 17:04 | different Marc dialect? | |
| 17:04 | gmcharlt | yes |
| 17:04 | it's not a strict US vs EU distinction | |
| 17:04 | jcamins | France/Portugal/Spain vs. the rest of the world. |
| 17:04 | gmcharlt | but the two main flavors are UNIMARC and MARC21 |
| 17:05 | markvandenborre | I read that Belgium was more into the French flavor... |
| 17:05 | but if most people here use the other standard, that's worth a lot to me | |
| 17:05 | jcamins | Ah, yeah, that might be. You're in Belgium? |
| 17:05 | * chris_n | begins to think in terms of pastry and icecream |
| 17:06 | markvandenborre | chris_n: and chocolate, and witloof |
| 17:06 | jcamins | chris_n: ooh, I have paneer saag for lunch. I think I'll go eat. |
| 17:07 | markvandenborre | and strawberries, this time of the year |
| 17:07 | and cheese | |
| 17:07 | and beer | |
| 17:07 | and (very few people seem to know this) | |
| 17:07 | some really good wine too! | |
| 17:08 | chris_n | had strawberrys, biscuit, and whipped cream for breakfast |
| 17:08 | strawberries, even | |
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| 17:16 | jenkins_koha | Project Koha_master build #1750: SUCCESS in 2 hr 17 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]Koha_master/1750/ |
| 17:16 | * Julian Maurice: Bug 11843: prevent manual history from being overwritten if subscription switched to automatic history | |
| 17:16 | * Julian Maurice: Bug 11843: (follow-up) fix unit test in t/db_dependent/Serials.t | |
| 17:16 | * Jonathan Druart: Bug 11975: improve the batch patron deletion code | |
| 17:16 | * Galen Charlton: Bug 11975: (follow-up) simplify construction of params for GetBorrowersToExpunge() | |
| 17:16 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=11843 blocker, P5 - low, ---, julian.maurice, Pushed to Master , Manual subscription history doesn't seem to work as expected |
| 17:16 | jenkins_koha | * Galen Charlton: Bug 12214: add regression test for reporting error when running report with SQL error |
| 17:16 | * Pasi Kallinen: Bug 12214: display SQL errors in reports to users | |
| 17:16 | * Galen Charlton: Bug 12214: (follow-up) correct POD of C4::Reports::Guided::execute_query() | |
| 17:16 | * Kyle M Hall: Bug 12214: (follow-up) Clean up reports-toolbar.inc, show Edit link when SQL has errors | |
| 17:16 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=11975 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , Tools: Batch patron deletion code should be improved |
| 17:16 | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=12214 minor, P5 - low, ---, pasi.kallinen, Pushed to Master , SQL errors in reports are not shown to user | |
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| 17:20 | jenkins_koha | Starting build #1751 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS) |
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| 17:28 | khall | @later tell cait I've left a comment/question for you on bug 9303 |
| 17:28 | huginn | khall: The operation succeeded. |
| 17:29 | markvandenborre | I tried to import what I had reformatted into a running koha instance |
| 17:29 | it only imported one record | |
| 17:30 | I wonder if that has something to do with the marc dialect | |
| 17:30 | this is what the csvtomarc.pl manpage says: | |
| 17:30 | This is the file format that will be output. Valid options are B<usmarc> | |
| 17:30 | and B<marcxml>. B<marcxml> is the default. | |
| 17:30 | jcamins | Koha requires usmarc. |
| 17:30 | markvandenborre | ok |
| 17:30 | jcamins | (which is the name of the binary format that is used for both MARC21 and UNIMARC) |
| 17:31 | However, if you're using UNIMARC, you'll want to consult the documentation for UNIMARC to figure out what fields to use. I don't know UNIMARC. | |
| 17:31 | cait | marcxml is way easier to read for testing |
| 17:31 | jcamins | Right, unless you want to load it into Koha. |
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| 17:32 | tcohen | bulkmarcimport accepts MARCXML, doesn't? |
| 17:33 | jcamins | tcohen: yes, but I will never ever suggest someone use bulkmarcimport because I don't want to be responsible for making someone use bulkmarcimport. :P |
| 17:33 | tcohen | heh |
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| 17:37 | markvandenborre | ok, so now I have staged 2702 records for import |
| 17:37 | and added them to the catalog (I think) | |
| 17:38 | so the first thing I try to do is search for them of course | |
| 17:38 | which fails... obviously, I'm missing something here | |
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| 17:40 | markvandenborre | status for every record says "imported" |
| 17:41 | is there anything obvious I am missing? | |
| 17:41 | do I need to trigger a kind of indexing in any way? | |
| 17:44 | I feel like I am missing something vitally important here, and I have no idea what | |
| 17:44 | ah, a restart of the catalog helped | |
| 17:47 | I was too quick thinking that | |
| 17:47 | "cataloging search" works | |
| 17:47 | but search not | |
| 17:51 | * markvandenborre | reading the manual again |
| 17:54 | gmcharlt | markvandenborre: you need to index; if you installed from packages, the relevant cronjob should already be set up |
| 17:55 | if not, you'd need to run rebuild_zebra | |
| 17:55 | markvandenborre | gmcharlt: I installed from debian packages |
| 17:55 | it seems to be indexing in some way | |
| 17:56 | gmcharlt | then let's see if the search engine is running -- is there at least one process called zebrasrv running? |
| 17:56 | markvandenborre | yes |
| 17:57 | as I said, I can search the catalog using | |
| 17:57 | "cataloging search" | |
| 17:57 | that yields some results | |
| 17:57 | but using the normal "search" not | |
| 17:57 | gmcharlt | yeah, that's a separate search mode |
| 17:57 | markvandenborre | ah, it doesn't rely on zebra? |
| 17:57 | ok | |
| 17:57 | gmcharlt | right |
| 17:58 | try a "sudo koha-rebuild-zebra -b -f -v instancename" | |
| 18:01 | markvandenborre | http://pastie.org/9160037 |
| 18:01 | it seems to find all records | |
| 18:02 | on the rebuild zebra command line | |
| 18:02 | but nothing yet in the web frontend | |
| 18:02 | jcamins | markvandenborre: what field did you put the title in? |
| 18:02 | markvandenborre | ./csvtomarc.pl --input=/root/metadata_itunes_geraardsbergen.csv --output=/root/bib_gbergen.marc --mapping='titel=title' --mapping='componist=marc:100_a?' --mapping='code=marc:500_2?' --mapping='instrument=marc:500_r?' --mapping='graad=marc:500_n?' --mapping='type=marc:500_x?' --kohaconf=/etc/koha/sites/gbergen/koha-conf.xml --kohalibs=/usr/share/koha/lib --fieldsep=';' --format=usmarc |
| 18:02 | was my exact line | |
| 18:03 | jcamins | Yeah, those are MARC21 fields. |
| 18:03 | You'll need to identify appropriate UNIMARC fields to replace the fields. | |
| 18:04 | markvandenborre | you mean for the title field? |
| 18:04 | jcamins | No, all the MARC fields. |
| 18:05 | unimarc? | |
| 18:05 | wahanui | unimarc is http://www.ifla.org/en/publica[…]ted-documentation |
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| 18:11 | markvandenborre | I'm sorry, I'm a bit confused now |
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| 18:12 | jcamins | Everyone here uses MARC21, so those are the fields we suggested. |
| 18:12 | markvandenborre | ok, but I checked the equivalent unimarc fields |
| 18:13 | and I used those | |
| 18:13 | looking at my koha test instance for reference | |
| 18:13 | jcamins | 100$a is a required UNIMARC field, and it doesn't have composer in it. |
| 18:13 | markvandenborre | ah, that is the one before indeed |
| 18:14 | that one was the only one that I took without double checking | |
| 18:14 | so that may be the issue | |
| 18:14 | together with the title one maybe | |
| 18:14 | jcamins | Title should be fine. |
| 18:15 | Actually, just use the MARC field. | |
| 18:15 | Then you don't have to worry about it connecting to the database. | |
| 18:15 | markvandenborre | yup |
| 18:15 | jcamins | Though I guess you weren't getting permissions issues. |
| 18:18 | markvandenborre | aargh, this is such a long list of meta-metadata |
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| 18:19 | markvandenborre | if only there were a way to find out the number for the ten most important bits of information |
| 18:19 | like title, author, ... | |
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| 18:24 | markvandenborre | the intelligent search in the koha interface does help though |
| 18:26 | what is the cleanest way to remove all existing records from koha? | |
| 18:26 | (so that I can test while certain) | |
| 18:31 | sorry about all these questions, all... | |
| 18:32 | I'd hoped to have something running by now | |
| 18:33 | koha is so much more heavyweight than what we actually need, but I _will_ kick it into submission | |
| 18:41 | ah, it only becomes searchable when the koha mapping biblio.title and biblio.author are filled in maybe? | |
| 18:41 | let's hope that is the case... | |
| 18:45 | I mapped correctly now for unimarc, but still no cigar | |
| 18:45 | have to run | |
| 18:45 | thx all for the help | |
| 18:45 | bye | |
| 18:46 | tcohen | is field 019 of any use in MARC21? |
| 18:46 | i've just noticed we don't have it, but have '01e' instead | |
| 18:57 | bye #koha | |
| 19:21 | jenkins_koha | Project Koha_master build #1751: SUCCESS in 2 hr 2 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]Koha_master/1751/ |
| 19:21 | Marcel de Rooy: Bug 12065: use encode_qp consistently when sending basket/shelf | |
| 19:21 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=12065 minor, P5 - low, ---, m.de.rooy, Pushed to Master , Consistent use of encode_qp when sending basket/shelf |
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| 19:37 | talljoy_tickets | i know it's friday, but is anyone still in that knows if there are any 'rules' for converting marc21 to Bibtex citations? i.e. what tag goes into what output field |
| 20:10 | jcamins | talljoy_tickets: you might take a look at marc2bibtex. |
| 20:11 | talljoy_tickets | yup i'm digging around and it seems 'loosey goosey' |
| 20:11 | jcamins | I believe the code is somewhere in C4. |
| 20:11 | talljoy_tickets | i've found the koha code. but before i add more, i thought it would be a good idea to see if anyone cared what i shoved into Alternate Name. heh |
| 20:12 | mainly my issue is with host items (analytics). and i think this is going to be a custom export using the C1, C2 and C3 RIS fields. | |
| 20:12 | and shoving 773 tags into those. | |
| 20:13 | jcamins | Ah, yeah, you're SOL when it comes to 773s. |
| 20:13 | talljoy_tickets | HA |
| 20:14 | jcamins | That's basically just a general rule. |
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