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| 01:03 | dcook | Huh...I had never noticed "crontab.example" until now. |
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| 01:42 | mtompset | Greetings, #koha. |
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| 02:11 | BobB | @wunder Sydney, Australia |
| 02:11 | huginn | BobB: The current temperature in Matraville, Sydney, New South Wales is 31.5°C (12:10 PM EST on April 24, 2014). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 17%. Dew Point: 3.0°C. Pressure: 29.89 in 1012 hPa (Steady). |
| 02:11 | BobB | Summer is back again! |
| 02:13 | eythian | @wunder nzwn |
| 02:13 | huginn | eythian: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 16.0°C (2:00 PM NZST on April 24, 2014). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 94%. Dew Point: 15.0°C. Pressure: 30.01 in 1016 hPa (Steady). |
| 02:13 | eythian | nah ah! |
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| 02:45 | wizzyrea | 31 really! |
| 02:45 | wtf, srs | |
| 02:47 | eythian | australia au |
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| 03:36 | * wajasu | isn't a fan of subfields :) |
| 04:06 | BobB | http://www.theguardian.com/com[…]/first-dog-royals |
| 04:26 | mtompset | I concur, wajasu. subfields() is evil. ;) |
| 04:26 | @wunder l7e 5y5 | |
| 04:26 | huginn | mtompset: The current temperature in Wilshire-Thornhill, Vaughan, Ontario is 1.8°C (12:15 AM EDT on April 24, 2014). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 48%. Dew Point: -8.0°C. Windchill: 2.0°C. Pressure: 30.10 in 1019 hPa (Rising). |
| 04:26 | mtompset | At least someone has heat. |
| 04:26 | Have a great day, #koha. | |
| 04:40 | dcook | rancor? |
| 04:40 | rancor is bug 11559 | |
| 04:40 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=11559 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jweaver, Needs Signoff , Professional cataloger's interface |
| 04:41 | dcook | rancor? |
| 04:41 | wahanui | rancor is bug 11559 |
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| 05:33 | cait | good morning #koha |
| 05:33 | dcook | morning cait |
| 05:34 | cait | Joubu: something weird about refreshing the funds still :( |
| 05:34 | so close! | |
| 05:34 | morning dcook | |
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| 06:16 | paxed | cait: re bug 12132 a staffer commented here: "So they assume librarians are old maids and crazy cat ladies with no kids?" |
| 06:16 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=12132 trivial, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Show guarantees in staff patron details too |
| 06:16 | cait | no just using separate accounts |
| 06:17 | well we do that | |
| 06:17 | so they can check out books for work related tasks and have a personal account for other things - but not all libraries do that, that's why the other bug | |
| 06:18 | i justthought you might have to task other bits in the code to really make that work consistently, and we would have to update documentation | |
| 06:18 | this is about the behaviour about the patron category - categories | |
| 06:18 | currently adult > child, organisation > professional | |
| 06:18 | for linking records | |
| 06:20 | paxed | consistency is showing guarantees when the person has those. |
| 06:21 | if you have separate staff and personal accounts, then your staff account should not have guarantees, just your personal one. | |
| 06:22 | cait | yes |
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| 06:22 | reiveune | hello |
| 06:22 | wahanui | privet, reiveune |
| 06:22 | cait | you can look at this from 2 sides as a bug |
| 06:23 | some would say the intended feature was not for them to have children, others the other way | |
| 06:23 | but it should be consistent | |
| 06:24 | paxed | no matter what the intention was, because it doesn't do that and behaves inconsistently. my patch fixes that inconsistency. |
| 06:26 | cait | i am all for consistency |
| 06:27 | ok, have to run :) | |
| 06:27 | bbl | |
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| 06:52 | marcelr | hi #koha |
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| 06:58 | alex_a | bonjour |
| 06:58 | wahanui | hey, alex_a |
| 06:59 | marcelr | hi alex_a |
| 07:00 | alex_a | hi marcelr |
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| 07:25 | gaetan_B | hello |
| 07:25 | wahanui | salut, gaetan_B |
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| 07:39 | thuthuy | I want to ask the difference between Koha 3.12 and Koha 3.8? |
| 07:47 | ashimema | did last nights meeting happen at all then.. |
| 07:47 | doesn't look like it. | |
| 07:48 | morning #koha | |
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| 07:56 | BobB | @later tell thuthuy Koha 3.12 has more features, a number of bug fixes and will be supported longer than Koha 3.8. Go with 3.12 (or 3.14) |
| 07:56 | huginn | BobB: The operation succeeded. |
| 07:58 | thuthuy | Can you say more detail? |
| 07:58 | ashimema | thuthuy, why not take a look at the release notes for the two? |
| 07:59 | http://koha-community.org/koha-3-14-0-released/ | |
| 07:59 | http://koha-community.org/koha-3-8-0-released/ | |
| 08:00 | though, you'll probably also want to look at the major release between too | |
| 08:00 | http://koha-community.org/koha-3-10-0-released/ | |
| 08:00 | http://koha-community.org/koha-3-12-0-released/ | |
| 08:00 | BobB | yep, the release notes list all the new features |
| 08:02 | good night #koha | |
| 08:02 | ashimema | night BobB |
| 08:02 | or... if your technically minded and feel like sifitng through 'ALLOT' of logs.. | |
| 08:03 | then you could checkout a 3.12 branch and read back through the commit log.. | |
| 08:03 | the release notes are created from the commit log anyways. | |
| 08:09 | thuthuy | <ashimema> I see that but it is not clear |
| 08:11 | smile :) | |
| 08:22 | Thanks you <BobB> and <ashimema> | |
| 08:23 | ashimema | no worries.. sorry we couldn't be of more help (just show that neither of us knows koha well enough to put a finger on the differences specifically either) |
| 08:23 | I'de have to go through the release notes too ;) | |
| 08:24 | paul_p wrote a script that did 'nicer' release notes at some point.. think it was only used for one release though :( | |
| 08:24 | though I have a feeling it took some manual intervention to look as nice as they did.. | |
| 08:25 | thuthuy | ashimema> humble |
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| 08:26 | thuthuy | ok |
| 08:27 | ashimema | paul_p.. I was just talking about you.. ;) |
| 08:27 | you did some lovely release notes once.. | |
| 08:27 | paul_p | ashimema yep. (automated) |
| 08:27 | I've added an option --html to release tools | |
| 08:27 | (iirc) | |
| 08:28 | ashimema | thuthuy was just trying to get to grips with the differences between a couple of versions.. I thought your html style notes might help |
| 08:28 | cool.. shame they don't appear to have been used much since. :( | |
| 08:29 | paul_p | ashimema = http://git.koha-community.org/[…]ls.git;a=shortlog |
| 08:30 | ashimema right (I failed to communicate more on that...) | |
| 08:30 | ashimema | cool.. cheers. |
| 08:30 | paul_p | I should have warned RM and RMAints |
| 08:30 | thuthuy | you can use facebook? |
| 08:30 | ashimema | maybe we should have another go at promoting it. |
| 08:30 | paul_p | yep |
| 08:31 | thuthuy | oh |
| 08:31 | <paul_p> excellent | |
| 08:32 | ok | |
| 08:33 | we are developing koha in Vietnam | |
| 08:33 | ashimema | developing? |
| 08:33 | or promoting | |
| 08:33 | paul_p | hi thuthuy ! (our administrative assistant is vietnamese, you could speak your language with her ;-) ) |
| 08:35 | thuthuy | <ashimema> developing |
| 08:35 | oh | |
| 08:36 | surprise | |
| 08:36 | ashimema | if your developing.. then you should really be developing against master and contributing back? |
| 08:36 | thuthuy | ok |
| 08:36 | ashimema | wondering where the question of whats the difference between versions came from ;) |
| 08:37 | awesome to hear there's another developer out there though | |
| 08:37 | thuthuy | :) |
| 08:39 | We supports community for use koha in vietnam | |
| 08:39 | ashimema | cool. |
| 08:41 | thuthuy | we translated vietnamese 3.12 |
| 08:41 | koha 3.12 | |
| 08:41 | wahanui | koha 3.12 is probably still on schedule. |
| 08:42 | thuthuy | and share Koha users in Vietnam |
| 08:43 | <wahanui> yes | |
| 08:45 | ashimema | thuthuy, wahanui's a bot.. ignore him ;) |
| 08:46 | thuthuy | ? |
| 08:46 | why? | |
| 08:51 | <ashimema> | |
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| 09:11 | paul_p | thuthuy = wahanui is a bot, not a real human. He usually says silly things, but can anser some basic questions. Don't hesitate to say "shut up" if he becomes too noisy, he won't be upset :D :D |
| 09:11 | good morning wahanui | |
| 09:11 | wahanui good morning | |
| 09:11 | wahanui | paul_p: i'm not following you... |
| 09:11 | paul_p | wahanui next release ? |
| 09:11 | wahanui | paul_p: no idea |
| 09:11 | paul_p | really stupid :D |
| 09:12 | wahanui seen rangi ? | |
| 09:12 | wahanui | rangi was last seen on #koha 7 days, 12 hours, 42 minutes and 39 seconds ago, saying: just that first paragraph is from the old article [Wed Apr 16 20:29:27 2014] |
| 09:12 | thuthuy | :) |
| 09:14 | do not argue | |
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| 09:44 | atheia | G'morning |
| 09:45 | cait: I haven't yet thanked you for the qa of the housebound patches. | |
| 09:45 | Thanks very much — really helpful feedback. | |
| 09:45 | We will in fact be splitting it into the 'previous issue?' functionality and the rest. | |
| 09:48 | cait | atheia: i was a little woried you'd never talk with me again :) |
| 09:50 | atheia | Not at all — tbh, I agree with all points. It's good to spend some more time on it. |
| 09:52 | cait | atheia: I am glad, I was aiming for helpful/constructive, but just couldn't get over the hardcoded categories |
| 10:27 | kivilahtio | is there a script in Koha to batch import records in a ISO2709 format? |
| 10:28 | I am trying to understand stage-marc-import.pl, and I realized there is a webservice to import MARCXML | |
| 10:29 | just wondering if anyone has done something similar, or maybe I can just use BatchStageMarcRecords()? | |
| 10:30 | Oh yeah, one important thing. I am trying to stage a MARC file. Not directly import to db, but into the staged records tables. | |
| 10:31 | Maybe kohaclone/misc/stage_file? :) | |
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| 10:32 | jcamins | kivilahtio: yeah, you might look at the perldoc for stage_file. |
| 10:32 | * jcamins | leaves to exhibit. |
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| 10:45 | ashimema | stage_file is the one kivilahtio |
| 10:46 | I'de love to see bulkmarcimport and stage_file merged into one eventually.. as their features differ but are comparable | |
| 10:46 | buldmarkimport in your case isn't the one.. as it imort directly, not via the staging table | |
| 10:47 | kivilahtio | ashimema: Thanks! |
| 10:47 | I am writing a integration module to our bookseller | |
| 10:47 | luckily it is quite straightforward | |
| 10:47 | ashimema | cool.. |
| 10:47 | not edi related I assume? | |
| 10:48 | the edi patch also pulls in skelaton records ;) | |
| 10:48 | anywho.. good luck | |
| 10:48 | kivilahtio | nope. we send our basketgroups to their ftp-server. Get replies from their ftp-server. And push selection lists from their ftp-server as ISO2709 to staged lists |
| 10:48 | then do acquisitions fromthose staged lists | |
| 10:48 | works quite well | |
| 10:48 | ashimema: we need it :) | |
| 10:48 | keep up the good fight! | |
| 10:51 | ashimema | sounds very similar to edi workflow interestingly enough.. edi is all ftp based, with files getting pushed and pulled from the vendors ftp server. |
| 10:52 | yeah, we're getting closer every day at the moment.. | |
| 10:52 | Colin is meant to be squshing it all into a sensible patch to post back up again iminently. | |
| 11:10 | marcelr | ashimena++ #bug 9612 |
| 11:10 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9612 minor, P5 - low, ---, m.de.rooy, Signed Off , SRU Response is different when DOM indexing is enabled |
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| 11:56 | francharb | morning #koha |
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| 12:16 | oleonard | Hi everyone |
| 12:19 | marcelr | hi oleonard |
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| 12:23 | rangi | i fear i may be using all the bandwidth cloning the git repo |
| 12:24 | kmlussier: if the internet is slow, you can blame me, it should be done soon | |
| 12:25 | also im sitting next to karl fogel, which im excited about | |
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| 12:25 | rangi | http://producingoss.com/ <-- that karl fogel |
| 12:25 | tis a great read btw | |
| 12:25 | * liw | warmly recommends that book |
| 12:26 | kmlussier | rangi: Should I start streaming something to totally cripple the Internt? |
| 12:26 | rangi | heh |
| 12:27 | tcohen | morning #koha, rangi |
| 12:27 | rangi | heya tcohen |
| 12:28 | oleonard | Hi rangi, what's first on your agenda today? |
| 12:28 | rangi | https://foss4lib.org/schoss/sy[…]hedule-and-agenda |
| 12:28 | we are at the welcome bit | |
| 12:29 | im not presenting til tomorrow, so my main mission today is to not fall asleep since i slept really badly last night | |
| 12:30 | oleonard | I was surprised at how much the time zone shift to Reno messed me up, so I can't even imagine. |
| 12:30 | rangi | yeah its 12.30am friday |
| 12:31 | if i can stay awake for 6 hours, i should start feeling like its daytime again | |
| 12:31 | :) | |
| 12:33 | * rangi | is super stoked about the maple syrup dbs gave me |
| 12:33 | oleonard | dcook++ # for patch testing and signoffs |
| 12:34 | rangi | yes |
| 12:34 | dcook++ | |
| 12:35 | ashimema | wow, dcook is on a sign off rampage, dcook++ |
| 12:38 | kivilahtio | dcook++ |
| 12:38 | tcohen | dcook++ |
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| 12:42 | rangi | right, the clone has finished, so the slow net can no longer be blamed on me |
| 12:42 | NateC | hey rangi how goes it in HotLanta? |
| 12:42 | oleonard | Slow net at a conference? That's unpossible. |
| 12:51 | rangi | NateC: so far so good |
| 12:51 | NateC | cool Libby is leaving for there today! |
| 12:53 | rangi | yep, been talking a bit on facebook, the symposium finishes at midday tomorrow, so hoping we can catch up sometime friday |
| 12:53 | huginn | New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 10942: (QA followup) make warnings to to STDERR <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]9552bc78bba9c4408> / Bug 10942: (follow-up) debconfing the update option <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]ee025a3e94ba898c0> / Bug 10942: (follow-up) make AUTOMATIC_TRANSLATIONS_UPDATE default to yes <http://git.koha-community.org/g |
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| 12:57 | * cait | waves |
| 12:57 | jenkins_koha | Starting build #451 for job master_maria (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #442 3 days 13 hr ago) |
| 13:00 | Starting build #1714 for job Koha_master (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #1706 3 days 19 hr ago) | |
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| 13:04 | oleonard | Did the second IRC meeting not happen? |
| 13:08 | cait | oleonard: it seemed there ws nooone around interested in holding it |
| 13:08 | oleonard | Fair enough. |
| 13:13 | * druthb | blames oleonard. |
| 13:13 | oleonard | It's true druthb, I was not there. It's no wonder. |
| 13:14 | druthb | right? If you'd spread the word you were going to be there, others would have, too, just to see your smilin' face. |
| 13:16 | oleonard | :| |
| 13:17 | cait | not that face actually |
| 13:17 | i was still awake, but it was past midnight | |
| 13:27 | ashimema | I couldn't make the second one.. was cooking tea |
| 13:27 | shame it didn't happen at all. | |
| 13:28 | rangi | im feeling a little condescended to here |
| 13:28 | not intentionally im sure | |
| 13:28 | oleonard | You personally rangi or the tone in general? |
| 13:29 | rangi | developers |
| 13:29 | wahanui | the brains that make Koha grow and get better. Give them cookies. Lots of cookies. And possibly beer. |
| 13:29 | rangi | we dont understand business |
| 13:29 | or CRM or stuff | |
| 13:29 | cait | oh you don't? |
| 13:29 | oleonard | Well sure rangi that's why none of us have jobs. |
| 13:29 | Dyrcona | Heh. Most MBAs don't understand business. ;) |
| 13:29 | cait | we librairans would disgree with that :) |
| 13:31 | * cait | wishes she coudl clone some more qa people |
| 13:32 | ashimema | we could do with a few more QA.. |
| 13:32 | always need more ;) | |
| 13:33 | rangi | apparently not we just like technology |
| 13:33 | and im super lagged | |
| 13:34 | ashimema | so how come there are support companies making money out here then? |
| 13:34 | rangi | i think i can address it tomorrow in my talk, i think koha and maybe evergreen are different to the projects that have been talked about so far |
| 13:35 | ashimema | go get 'em rangi ;) |
| 13:35 | * Dyrcona | is a developer with a MLS. |
| 13:35 | Dyrcona | So there's one, at least. ;) |
| 13:36 | kmlussier | Dyrcona: But where's your MBA? ;) |
| 13:36 | rangi | right we have to go break out now |
| 13:36 | * rangi | fights the urge to break dance to the break out rooms |
| 13:37 | kmlussier | rangi: I would like to see that. |
| 13:37 | rangi | you really wouldnt :) |
| 13:37 | bbiab | |
| 13:37 | cait | kmlussier: if he does... make photos, please? |
| 13:38 | kmlussier | cait: If I don't, I'm sure somebody else will. :) |
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| 13:45 | * druthb | tries to picture rangi break-dancing, and thinks it would be an amazing display of gangly awkwardness. As long as no one got hurt, though, it'd sure be fun to see! |
| 14:00 | jenkins_koha | Project master_maria build #451: STILL UNSTABLE in 1 hr 3 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]master_maria/451/ |
| 14:00 | * Tomas Cohen Arazi: Bug 10942: Provide a way for package upgrades to update template translations | |
| 14:00 | * Galen Charlton: Bug 10942: (follow-up) create a /etc/koha/koha-common.conf | |
| 14:00 | * Galen Charlton: Bug 10942: (follow-up) make AUTOMATIC_TRANSLATIONS_UPDATE default to yes | |
| 14:00 | * Robin Sheat: Bug 10942: (follow-up) debconfing the update option | |
| 14:00 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10942 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Pushed to Master , Provide a way for package upgrades to update template translations |
| 14:00 | jenkins_koha | * Tomas Cohen Arazi: Bug 10942: (QA followup) make warnings to to STDERR |
| 14:00 | cait | nice! |
| 14:01 | ashimema | awesome! |
| 14:01 | wahanui | That'll be $1 for the awesome jar, ashimema |
| 14:01 | ashimema | lol |
| 14:01 | * druthb | chuckles. |
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| 14:02 | * oleonard | would like to know when wahanui is going to throw us an awesome party with the money from the awesome jar |
| 14:02 | ashimema | haha |
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| 14:04 | oleonard | wahanui: How many dollars have you collected? |
| 14:04 | wahanui | no idea, oleonard |
| 14:04 | oleonard | Well there's our problem. |
| 14:08 | tcohen | gmcharlt: it seems to me that the database/env for building 3.14 (jenkins) has some trouble |
| 14:08 | i cannot seem to reproduce the failing tests on my workstation | |
| 14:19 | gmcharlt | tcohen: hmm, the 3.14.x project seems to be pointing at master |
| 14:19 | I'll need to look at it later | |
| 14:19 | tcohen | np, let me know if i can do something about it |
| 14:34 | Joubu | khall: around? |
| 14:34 | khall | yo |
| 14:35 | Joubu | khall: Hello! I think I found a problem with bug 2720. The updatedb entry does not remove the borrower.debarred value |
| 14:35 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=2720 enhancement, P3, ---, fridolyn.somers, Pushed to Master , Overdues which debar automatically should undebar automatically when returned |
| 14:36 | Joubu | so if the date is passed, the suspension alert is displayed |
| 14:36 | I get: "Restricted: Patron's account is restricted until 10/01/2014 | |
| 14:37 | khall: do you confirm we should clean this field for all patrons? | |
| 14:37 | khall | gimme a couple minutes to take a look |
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| 14:42 | Joubu | hum, I don't understand, the circ/circulation.tt test "userdebarred" to display this alert. And it comes from member->{debarred}, returned by GetMemberDetails (which does a select into borrowers. Why don't we check borrower_debarments? |
| 14:42 | Note: I'm on 3.14.4 | |
| 14:44 | No, I remember :) The field is kept to avoid to parse the borrower_debarments table ! | |
| 14:45 | but a check is missing somewhere | |
| 14:45 | tcohen | is anyone working on implementing permissions per user-type? |
| 14:46 | ashimema | not that I've heard tcohen.. |
| 14:46 | would be a nice addition though ;) | |
| 14:46 | tcohen | indeed |
| 14:46 | Joubu | tcohen: nothing as for me |
| 14:47 | tcohen | someone in the koha-es list asked how much money should they raise to sponsor such a feature |
| 14:47 | * oleonard | imagines it would be a big change |
| 14:49 | tcohen | i'm not sure how big it would be |
| 14:49 | Joubu | tcohen: you could imagine default permissions, same as Default messaging preferences. |
| 14:50 | with a script (cronjob) updating the patron when you change the permissions | |
| 14:51 | tcohen | i was thinking more like generalizing the current flags use for patrons, and patron categories |
| 14:52 | and using the same logic from Auth.pm for checking first the user permissions, and if fails then category permission | |
| 14:53 | Joubu | tcohen: yes, this way is the big change, I would say |
| 14:53 | (and cleaner than the solution I propose) | |
| 14:54 | ashimema | i like tcohens suggestion.. but agree it's a harder thing to achieve. |
| 14:54 | how hard though.. I'm unsure. | |
| 15:00 | Joubu | khall: I confirm. I think a updatedb entry should be enough |
| 15:00 | khall | Joubu: the suspension alert should not come up if borrowers.debarred is a date in the past. And it should not be cleared out, it shoud be the furthest date in the future from borrower_debarments for that patron, or null |
| 15:01 | Joubu | khall: so it should not be a date in the past? |
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| 15:02 | Joubu | khall: I think something like |
| 15:02 | update borrowers set debarred = null where debarred is not null and debarred < NOW() | |
| 15:02 | should have been added to the updatedb for 2720 | |
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| 15:02 | khall | yes, that would not hurt to add |
| 15:02 | that's a good idea | |
| 15:03 | Joubu | and maybe a check in the circulation script, but that should not append |
| 15:03 | khall: Do you agree that borrowers.debarred should NEVER contain a date in the past? | |
| 15:04 | khall | Joubu: I do not agree ; ) |
| 15:04 | If the date is in the past, the system should ignore it and tell you the patron is debarred. Isn't that how it acted before the new debarments system? | |
| 15:05 | cait | hm don't think so |
| 15:05 | khall | I meant if the date is in the past, the system should ignore it and *not* tell you the patron is debarred |
| 15:05 | cait | yep |
| 15:05 | have to run, bye all :) | |
| 15:05 | khall | bye! |
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| 15:05 | khall | Joubu: otherwise we'd have to run _UpdateBorrowerDebarmentFlags every day for every borrower |
| 15:06 | Rubens | Hi, I have a database in ISAD-G standard for archival desccripcion, we are in the process of migration to KOHA and MARC21. I think the next step is to create a custom framework set to ISAD-G and then import in koha... is correct? |
| 15:06 | khall | because borrower.debarred is only updated when a change is made to the borrower_debarments table |
| 15:07 | rangi | back |
| 15:07 | jenkins_koha | Project Koha_master build #1714: STILL UNSTABLE in 2 hr 9 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]Koha_master/1714/ |
| 15:07 | * Tomas Cohen Arazi: Bug 10942: Provide a way for package upgrades to update template translations | |
| 15:07 | * Galen Charlton: Bug 10942: (follow-up) create a /etc/koha/koha-common.conf | |
| 15:07 | * Galen Charlton: Bug 10942: (follow-up) make AUTOMATIC_TRANSLATIONS_UPDATE default to yes | |
| 15:07 | * Robin Sheat: Bug 10942: (follow-up) debconfing the update option | |
| 15:07 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10942 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Pushed to Master , Provide a way for package upgrades to update template translations |
| 15:07 | jenkins_koha | * Tomas Cohen Arazi: Bug 10942: (QA followup) make warnings to to STDERR |
| 15:07 | Joubu | khall: yes, it what _UpdateBorrowerDebarmentFlags does |
| 15:07 | it does not fill the borr.debarred field | |
| 15:07 | khall: yep indeed | |
| 15:07 | so, a check is missing in the pl script? | |
| 15:09 | khall | yep |
| 15:09 | or it could be checked at the TT level | |
| 15:10 | Joubu | khall: compare dates in TT ? |
| 15:11 | Rubens | Hi, I have a database in ISAD-G standard for archival description, we are in the process of migration to KOHA and MARC21. I think the next step is to create a custom framework set to ISAD-G and then import in koha is correct .... |
| 15:11 | khall | Joubu: I think it's probably better to just do it in circulation.pl |
| 15:12 | at 268 add in if check to see if borrowers.debarred is in the past before setting that userdebarred param | |
| 15:13 | Joubu | khall: Koha::Borrower::Debarments::IsDebarred is wrong too! |
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| 15:13 | khall | Joubu: indeed it is! |
| 15:14 | Joubu | khall: maybe the best way todo is to fix this routine |
| 15:15 | khall | yep, but it still won't fix the bug in circulation.pl |
| 15:15 | Joubu | But I need a quick fix, a customer is blocked in production. I don't know what to do... |
| 15:15 | khall | is there a bug number? I can file a patch asap |
| 15:16 | in my test, circulation isn't actually blocked, is it for you? I just get a warning | |
| 15:16 | Joubu | khall: yep, but we could sent to the template userdebarred =>IsDebarred($borrnum) |
| 15:16 | khall | that works for me! |
| 15:19 | Joubu | khall: when I check an item out, I get: |
| 15:19 | Patron has had overdue items and is blocked for 2014-01-10 day(s). | |
| 15:19 | the patron does not have overdue | |
| 15:19 | khall | ahh, I didn't go that far |
| 15:20 | Joubu | I think it is CanBookBeIssued which call IsMemberBlocked which call IsDebarred (which is broken) |
| 15:21 | khall | I have a patch ready, is there a bug for me to put it on? |
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| 15:22 | Joubu | khall: 12134 |
| 15:22 | bug 12134 | |
| 15:22 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=12134 critical, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Members are restricted even if the debarment is ended |
| 15:25 | khall | Joubu: patch submitted! |
| 15:26 | Joubu | khall++ |
| 15:26 | thanks! | |
| 15:29 | khall | np! |
| 15:30 | Joubu | khall: it looks perfect! |
| 15:31 | khall | excellent! |
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| 15:40 | khall | @later tell cait I've attached a trivial followup for you issue to bug 11703 |
| 15:40 | huginn | khall: The operation succeeded. |
| 15:42 | rangi | the eternal problem of people using commercial when they mean proprietary .. every single conference |
| 15:48 | liw | rangi, *nod* |
| 15:48 | rangi | the only real solution to the costs of answering rfp is to realise that rfp are an incredibly bad way to procure software |
| 15:48 | liw | rangi, it's because proprietary is hard to type and pronounce! :) |
| 15:48 | rangi | anything else is a band aid |
| 16:09 | gaetan_B | bye! |
| 16:09 | ashimema | yowsers that flags stuff isn't pretty |
| 16:11 | oleonard | I get the feeling adding times to the display of date due in the OPAC is going to make some patrons scared and confused. |
| 16:12 | ...but I don't know how else to handle the hourly loans possibility than showing the time for all checkouts. | |
| 16:13 | ashimema | could you limit the display based upon whether the itemtype is loanable hourly or not? |
| 16:14 | oleonard | I imagine that would be a tedious and costly check to go through for every checkout displayed on a patron's account. |
| 16:15 | ashimema | or a jscript hack to display only date if time is 23:59? |
| 16:15 | that's not perfect.. but would catch most cases right/ | |
| 16:15 | ? | |
| 16:17 | oleonard | I'm so jaded that I assume that plan would backfire when hourly loans which *really were due at 23:59* got hidden :| |
| 16:17 | ashimema | indeed.. it would.. |
| 16:17 | but... how often is that acutally going to happen | |
| 16:18 | hence, the 'not perfect' comment ;) | |
| 17:02 | wajasu | maybe we should employ systemd configs for koha services,etc http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/201[…]switching-systemd |
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| 17:06 | tcohen | oleonard-away: how do I add stuff to opac.css (bootstrap)? it seems to be minified? |
| 17:08 | anyone knows if there's a coding guideline for css addition to bootstrap¿ | |
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| 17:28 | tcohen | has anyone had a "Smartmatch is experimental at .../QohA/Report.pm" error in koha-qa? |
| 17:30 | bag | @seen magnuse |
| 17:30 | huginn | bag: magnuse was last seen in #koha 1 week, 6 days, 4 hours, 5 minutes, and 1 second ago: <magnuse> awww... |
| 17:30 | bag | ah must be on holiday |
| 17:31 | @later tell magnuse HI | |
| 17:31 | huginn | bag: The operation succeeded. |
| 17:33 | druthb | Bag! |
| 17:34 | * druthb | pokes wahanui |
| 17:34 | wahanui | ouch! |
| 17:34 | druthb | wahanui: bag? |
| 17:34 | wahanui | I LIKE BASEBALL |
| 17:34 | druthb | okie |
| 17:34 | wahanui: druthb? | |
| 17:34 | wahanui | Well, she finally snapped, like we all knew she would. |
| 17:34 | bag | heya druthb |
| 17:35 | druthb | howdy, bag. :) |
| 17:55 | tcohen | druthb_away: take a look at bug 11117 |
| 17:55 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=11117 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Needs Signoff , Right to left text in facets + facet count = mixed text |
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| 18:02 | oleonard | tcohen: http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]p_OPAC_LESS_files |
| 18:04 | kmlussier | rangi: I understand why you were excited about sitting next to karl fogel. Best talk so far! |
| 18:04 | reiveune | bye |
| 18:04 | reiveune left #koha | |
| 18:05 | rangi | yeah, what i do is to any manager type person at a library that shows interest in being more involved, is point them to his book |
| 18:05 | its a short, concise and really informative read | |
| 18:05 | it shortcuts about 6 months of conversations :) | |
| 18:05 | * kmlussier | will read it. |
| 18:06 | tcohen | oleonard: should I put my new classes selectors and styles in opac.less, generate and commit them? |
| 18:06 | liw | that book robbed me off a short, but lucrative, consulting gig, it's that good |
| 18:06 | oleonard | tcohen: Yes. CSS changes are made to the .less file, and opac.css is generated from that. |
| 18:07 | tcohen | and the generated css is part of the patch |
| 18:07 | oleonard | Yes. |
| 18:09 | tcohen | should I use --yui-compress? |
| 18:09 | bag | oh hey there rangi |
| 18:10 | rangi | heya |
| 18:10 | oleonard | tcohen: or "--compress" if your LESS compiler is up to date. |
| 18:16 | tcohen | oleonard: would you place a .facet-count selector inside the #search-facets block? |
| 18:18 | oleonard | I don't understand the question tcohen |
| 18:18 | tcohen | does nesting need reflect the DOM structure? |
| 18:18 | rangi | john brice is up now bag, hes doing a pretty decent talk, given his slides didnt work |
| 18:19 | bag | sweet |
| 18:19 | oleonard | tcohen: Oh, in the LESS file? |
| 18:19 | bag | go John Brice - khall will be excited |
| 18:19 | tcohen | yes |
| 18:19 | rangi | yep libki got a shout out |
| 18:20 | oleonard | tcohen: It's optional depending on the specificity you want. LESS will generate a specific selector based on the nesting. |
| 18:21 | #search-facets .facet-count {} if it's nested, just .facet-count if it's not | |
| 18:21 | tcohen | thanks |
| 18:21 | khall | sweet! |
| 18:22 | bag | hey oleonard I was wondering if I could give you a phone call - I've got a question for you |
| 18:22 | gmcharlt | oleonard: see suggestion in bug 9723 |
| 18:23 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9723 minor, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Needs Signoff , Hourly loans don't show time due in OPAC |
| 18:23 | oleonard | Sure |
| 18:25 | tcohen | oleonard I get a multiline opac.css file, instead of the single line it was before |
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| 18:36 | rangi | man its freezing up in here |
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| 18:36 | bag | rangi: you should have worn a suit - you wouldn't be cold |
| 18:36 | rangi | id have to buy one first |
| 18:36 | :) | |
| 18:36 | pianohacker | yo |
| 18:36 | rangi | yo pianohacker |
| 18:36 | pianohacker | yo rangi |
| 18:53 | rangi | https://github.com/yuki-kimoto/gitprep |
| 18:53 | interesting | |
| 18:53 | wahanui | i guess interesting is sometimes good and sometimes bad |
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| 19:01 | rangi | wow, it actually works |
| 19:02 | sweet gonna have to play with this more | |
| 19:02 | it took that long to install, 9 minutes, .. thats not bad | |
| 19:03 | liw | rangi, have you looked at Gitano at all? http://www.gitano.org.uk/ with http://git.gitano.org.uk/ and http://git.liw.fi/ being instances |
| 19:04 | rangi | hmm no, but i will :) |
| 19:04 | i have seen git.liw.fi .. but i didnt pay too much attention after i got the url to clone it :) | |
| 19:05 | liw | the web interface is cgit; gitano is accessed mainly over ssh (in order to create repos, manage users, etc) |
| 19:06 | rangi | ahhh |
| 19:06 | right | |
| 19:06 | cool, ill check that out too | |
| 19:06 | oleonard | Thanks gmcharlt I was not aware of that option |
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| 19:08 | rangi | digital humanists just sounds wrong to me |
| 19:09 | (these random utterances brought to you by chris commenting on things people are saying in the room) | |
| 19:11 | right, breakout groups again | |
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| 19:13 | pianohacker | hi cait |
| 19:13 | go to bed | |
| 19:13 | cait | hola |
| 19:13 | i just got home :) | |
| 19:13 | pianohacker | hehe |
| 19:14 | cait | i hope you did a follow up? :) |
| 19:14 | pianohacker | cait: Did I imply dcook was an idiot because of my own mistake on the 10486 updatedatabase thing? |
| 19:14 | cait: no, not yet | |
| 19:14 | cait | ? |
| 19:14 | i haven't read all the bug mails yet | |
| 19:15 | i just got home from spanish class :) | |
| 19:15 | pianohacker | spanish++ |
| 19:16 | cait | we talked about food today :) |
| 19:16 | and me gusta/gustan etc | |
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| 19:19 | pianohacker | what the heck browser was dcook using |
| 19:21 | @later tell dcook what browser were you using when you tested rancor? Cannot figure out why it doesn't have getElementsByTagNameNS | |
| 19:21 | huginn | pianohacker: The operation succeeded. |
| 19:29 | pianohacker | man, developing near feature freeze is exhausting! |
| 19:40 | cait: Oh, to answer your question on 10486 about unimarc/normarc | |
| 19:40 | cait | pianohacker: qaing is too |
| 19:40 | pianohacker | cait: You can have marc21, unimarc and normarc targets selected in the same search |
| 19:40 | cait | oh nice |
| 19:41 | you should have documented that cool feature:) | |
| 19:41 | but maybe it shoudl only load those if you have them? | |
| 19:41 | pianohacker | cait: In fact, you can test with a unimarc target if you want, doesn't require a unimarc koha |
| 19:41 | cait | i will :) |
| 19:43 | pianohacker | cait: The XSLT are (to my own surprise, trust me) rather lightweight; I think adding in the conditional loading would be more complicated than it's worth |
| 19:43 | cait | ok |
| 19:43 | pianohacker | Plus since they're static content they're cached |
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| 19:53 | pianohacker | @later tell dcook also as far as 10486 goes I can't tell you with any confidence which pazpar2 version you need, sorry. They change config formats in minor versions because indexdata |
| 19:53 | huginn | pianohacker: The operation succeeded. |
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| 20:03 | oleonard | Bye #koha |
| 20:03 | pianohacker | bye oleonard |
| 20:04 | cait: well I have the links working, they seem to be 404ing though | |
| 20:04 | is that problem on my end or the original record's | |
| 20:04 | cait | hm they shouldn't |
| 20:04 | do you have an examle? | |
| 20:05 | pianohacker | cait: good old bodensee gives me this for the table of contents: http://d-nb.info/1043638989/04 |
| 20:05 | cait | not you |
| 20:05 | pianohacker | ah kk |
| 20:05 | phew :) | |
| 20:05 | cait | can you give me the controlnumber? |
| 20:06 | i'd like to check the record | |
| 20:06 | or theexact title | |
| 20:06 | pianohacker | cait: I can't seem to find the control number, but the title and ISBN are Bodensee / by Habitz, Gunnar and 9783868718799 |
| 20:07 | cait | it's the record |
| 20:07 | http://swb.bsz-bw.de/DB=2.1/PP[…]461251&INDEXSET=1 | |
| 20:07 | pianohacker | cool |
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| 20:18 | pianohacker | cait: aw bugger I forgot to set bug 10486 to needs signoff but it's got a followup |
| 20:18 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10486 new feature, P5 - low, ---, jweaver, Failed QA , Allow external Z39.50 targets to be searched from the OPAC |
| 20:20 | cait | pianohacker: tsk |
| 20:20 | * pianohacker | can see the tsk tsk face |
| 20:20 | pianohacker | got plenty of that in marseille :) |
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| 20:23 | rangi | i think the problem with roadmaps is people think they mean something |
| 20:25 | chris_n | lol |
| 20:25 | cait | hehe |
| 20:25 | pianohacker: but not only those i hope? :) | |
| 20:26 | atheia | Right, uploaded patch to bug 6906; that's me done for the day. |
| 20:26 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6906 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, mtj, ASSIGNED , show 'Borrower has previously issued $ITEM' alert on checkout |
| 20:26 | pianohacker | good night atheia |
| 20:26 | atheia | Have a nice eve' all! |
| 20:26 | good night pianohacker (prby day for you? timezones mess with my head…) | |
| 20:26 | kmlussier1 | Does koha do a roadmap? |
| 20:26 | rangi | nope |
| 20:26 | pianohacker | atheia: close enough :) |
| 20:27 | rangi | we have goals, that are kinda set |
| 20:27 | but they are goals, sometimes they happen, sometimes they dont | |
| 20:28 | eg http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]or_RM_3_18_tcohen | |
| 20:28 | cait | i tihnk more likely to happen if there is a person who nudges people on |
| 20:29 | rangi | the probably with roadmaps, is it presupposes the developers know what the community wants |
| 20:29 | which works for mozilla | |
| 20:30 | kmlussier1 | rangi: Yes, that was the point I was trying to make. |
| 20:30 | rangi | it doesnt work for ILS |
| 20:30 | kmlussier1 | Your goals look something similar to what bshum put out there with his RM proposal. |
| 20:30 | rangi | *nod* |
| 20:30 | so we set new goals each 6 months | |
| 20:30 | most of mine never got met | |
| 20:31 | * Dyrcona | knows about goals not being met. |
| 20:31 | rangi | http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]_for_3.4_Proposal |
| 20:31 | Dyrcona | No roadmap survives contact with the community. |
| 20:31 | rangi | we got the template toolkit, and the 6 monthly release cycle |
| 20:32 | that was back in 2010 | |
| 20:32 | i think if you call it a roadmap, people think it will happen | |
| 20:32 | cait | true |
| 20:32 | rangi | if you call "things that would be nice if we got them done" |
| 20:32 | it sets the right expectations | |
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| 20:55 | rangi | wrapping up for the day |
| 20:56 | cait | have a nice evening |
| 20:56 | * rangi | shuts down |
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| 20:56 | * gdunbar | needs a drink |
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| 21:05 | cait | oups |
| 21:05 | closed wrong window | |
| 21:35 | bag | well welcome back cait |
| 21:35 | cait | thx bag |
| 21:39 | hm too tied to do something useful, i better go to sleep :) | |
| 21:39 | bye all | |
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| 22:11 | bag | yes pianohacker I kicked you for asking - what's the simpsons :) |
| 22:12 | pianohacker | discrimination! |
| 22:12 | bag | pianohacker++ |
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| 22:55 | mtompset | Greetings, #koha. |
| 22:56 | Can anyone point me at a place to get a datepicker in the OPAC? | |
| 22:56 | I think I have a patch for the request on the list. | |
| 22:56 | But I need to test it. | |
| 22:59 | bag | how about suspending a hold |
| 22:59 | mtompset | And how do I do that? |
| 23:25 | Oh well, if anyone knows how to trigger a date picker in OPAC, please look at bug 12137. :) | |
| 23:25 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=12137 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, mtompset, Needs Signoff , Extend CalendarFirstDayOfWeek to be any day |
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| 23:34 | pianohacker | mtompset: user-is-always-right aside, do you have any idea why they'd want to do that? |
| 23:35 | mtompset | No, but then again, I don't see why there should be a need for a difference in Sunday, Monday either. I suspect it is a culturally oriented thing. |
| 23:36 | so, why not just go all the way, right? :) | |
| 23:39 | Consider that Sabbath for Jews is really Friday Night to Saturday Night, but we call it Saturday. But Saturday Night and Sunday Morning would then be Sunday, but is it really Saturday or is it Sunday? The whole 12 hour shift, because we got a 24 hour day (day and night vs night and day) mixed up. | |
| 23:40 | pianohacker | not confusing at all |
| 23:43 | mtompset | So, I figure, perhaps there is something like that going on. Not to mention, why shouldn't the option be more flexible? |
| 23:43 | The datepicker is. Why not Koha? | |
| 23:49 | pianohacker | too much flexibility can be a bad thing, but if someone's asking for a third option we might as well give them all |
| 23:57 | mtompset | It's a pretty small patch. |
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