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| 03:48 | mtompset | Greetings, #koha. |
| 03:49 | Oh profiling-king eythian, you here? ;) | |
| 03:50 | eythian | I...guess. |
| 04:42 | dcook | Trying to debug minified JS... |
| 04:42 | * dcook | twitches |
| 04:44 | eythian | switch it out for the non-minified version |
| 04:45 | dcook | I... |
| 04:45 | Was going to do that, then I seemed to think that wouldn't work...but now it's obvious that it will | |
| 04:45 | Good one :p | |
| 04:45 | Yay for us using recent DataTables! | |
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| 04:45 | eythian | hi cait |
| 04:45 | go back to bed | |
| 04:46 | dcook | All right let's try this again.. |
| 04:46 | cait | :P |
| 04:46 | dcook | @wunder konstanz |
| 04:46 | huginn | dcook: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 5.8°C (6:45 AM CEST on April 23, 2014). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 93%. Dew Point: 5.0°C. Windchill: 6.0°C. Pressure: 30.06 in 1018 hPa (Steady). |
| 04:46 | dcook | Earrrly! |
| 04:47 | * dcook | was up at 6:30am with a sick wife.. |
| 04:47 | dcook | Go back to bed while you can! :p |
| 04:48 | mtompset | Oops... Got distracted, eythian. :) |
| 04:49 | eythian | I figured :) |
| 04:49 | damn it, I just made a diagnostic change to something to see why it was failing, and it started working. | |
| 04:49 | mtompset | I was wondering how to profile the speed difference between Koha.Preference() calls in Template, and actually passing a template parameter. |
| 04:50 | eythian | hmm. NYTProf may tell you that sort of thing, I'm not sure. |
| 04:50 | it probably will. | |
| 04:52 | keep in mind its only worth worrying about if it's called enough times for a time difference to actually show up. | |
| 05:03 | mtompset | eythian: So did you figure out why your diagnostic change caused it to work? ;) |
| 05:03 | eythian | no, it did fail again later however. I'm screwing with multithreading so I think there are race conditions happening. That's bad. |
| 05:07 | cait | eythian++ |
| 05:08 | eythian | unfortunately this means that making MARC import work on a plack setup is best done with a rewrite and the addition of a queueing process. |
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| 05:09 | eythian | ashimema: howdy |
| 05:09 | wahanui | salut, eythian |
| 05:10 | eythian | wahanui: botsmack |
| 05:10 | wahanui | :( |
| 05:10 | cait | morning ashimema |
| 05:10 | ashimema | morning cait |
| 05:10 | cait | eythian: ugh |
| 05:10 | ashimema | evening eythian |
| 05:12 | eythian | @wunder nzwn |
| 05:12 | huginn | eythian: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 15.0°C (5:00 PM NZST on April 23, 2014). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 72%. Dew Point: 10.0°C. Pressure: 30.04 in 1017 hPa (Steady). |
| 05:14 | mtompset | Yuck. Debugging multithreading is a pain, unless you have something to serialize processing as needed. |
| 05:15 | @wunder l7e 5y5 | |
| 05:15 | huginn | mtompset: The current temperature in Wilshire-Thornhill, Vaughan, Ontario is 3.7°C (1:10 AM EDT on April 23, 2014). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 88%. Dew Point: 2.0°C. Windchill: 1.0°C. Pressure: 29.73 in 1007 hPa (Rising). |
| 05:15 | mtompset | Have a great day (24 hour period), #koha. |
| 05:15 | ashimema | @wunder stevenage, uk |
| 05:15 | huginn | ashimema: The current temperature in Pin Green, Stevenage, United Kingdom is 7.6°C (6:10 AM BST on April 23, 2014). Conditions: Fog. Humidity: 97%. Dew Point: 7.0°C. Windchill: 8.0°C. Pressure: 29.98 in 1015 hPa (Steady). |
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| 05:25 | dcook | Muahaha |
| 05:25 | eythian: Thanks for reminding me to do the obvious with that JS :) | |
| 05:27 | eythian | np :) |
| 05:27 | bug 8970 in case anyone wants something confusing to look at | |
| 05:27 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8970 critical, P5 - low, ---, robin, In Discussion , MARC import gives error under Starman/Plack |
| 05:28 | * eythian | has to go to training now. |
| 05:28 | dcook | I think I've had enough confusion for today.. |
| 05:28 | For some reason, DataTables seems to be detecting an html type where it previously detected a string type | |
| 05:28 | As far as I know, the version hasn't changed, so...I don't know. Maybe it's browser-based... | |
| 05:28 | Found a solution anyways, but damn | |
| 05:29 | @wunder seattle | |
| 05:29 | huginn | dcook: The current temperature in Herrera, Inc., Seattle, Washington is 8.1°C (10:29 PM PDT on April 22, 2014). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 89%. Dew Point: 6.0°C. Windchill: 8.0°C. Pressure: 29.89 in 1012 hPa (Steady). |
| 05:29 | dcook | gmcharlt: Are you around to answer a quick RM question? |
| 05:29 | gmcharlt | dcook: hmm? |
| 05:29 | dcook | bug 11502 needs the tiniest of follow-ups |
| 05:29 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=11502 minor, P5 - low, ---, dcook, Pushed to Stable , Branch filter in "Holds To Pull" is too fuzzy |
| 05:30 | dcook | Should I post the patch to that bug or make a new one? |
| 05:30 | * cait | thinks how horrible bug 7180 would be without working git-bz |
| 05:30 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7180 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Signed Off , Order from staged file improvements |
| 05:31 | dcook | gmcharlt: Since it's been pushed to three different branches, I'm not quite sure what is optimal :/ |
| 05:33 | gmcharlt | dcook: new bug after it's pushed to master, and definitely after it's pushed to stable |
| 05:34 | dcook | Cool. In that case, I might make some extra improvements as well. |
| 05:34 | Thanks for letting me know :) | |
| 05:48 | cait: Did gmcharlt get git bz working again? | |
| 05:48 | gmcharlt | ayup |
| 05:49 | dcook | gmcharlt++ |
| 05:49 | \o/ | |
| 05:49 | I think this will be the first patch I've sent in ages... | |
| 05:52 | cait | so close... |
| 05:52 | gmcharlt is a hero :) | |
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| 06:07 | ashimema | gmcharlt++ for git-bz improvments.. |
| 06:08 | though I agree.. it may be time to re-think git-bz using the api's that now exist | |
| 06:25 | pybugz look interesting.. a possible starting point.. any python addicts here with some spare time ;) | |
| 06:35 | pianohacker | oh goodness, it's late |
| 06:35 | good night all | |
| 06:37 | cait | bbl |
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| 06:38 | reiveune | hello |
| 06:38 | wahanui | que tal, reiveune |
| 06:43 | dcook | Can I even remember how to use git bz.. |
| 06:43 | yo, reiveune | |
| 06:44 | reiveune | hi dcook |
| 06:44 | dcook | Hmm...I have PATH problems.. |
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| 06:46 | dcook | Yata! |
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| 07:04 | pianohacker | hahahahah wooo I have XML fixed field widgets finally working! |
| 07:04 | * pianohacker | dances |
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| 07:05 | pianohacker | had to celebrate that, carry on, good to see you all |
| 07:05 | dcook | pianohacker++ |
| 07:05 | alex_a | bonjour |
| 07:05 | wahanui | privet, alex_a |
| 07:05 | dcook | salut alex_a |
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| 07:16 | cait | good morning #koha |
| 07:19 | dcook | evening, cait :) |
| 07:23 | cait | morning dcook :) |
| 07:24 | dcook | How're you going, cait? |
| 07:24 | cait | mostly ok i think |
| 07:25 | very busy this week with work, my spanish course and feature freeze coming up | |
| 07:26 | dcook | Spanish course? That sounds exciting! |
| 07:30 | cait | it's fun yeah :) |
| 07:31 | dcook | Well, I should go home and take care of my sick wife (and sick cat). Have a good day! |
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| 07:32 | gaetan_B | hello |
| 07:32 | cait | hm |
| 07:32 | i am fighting with a jquery | |
| 07:32 | i need to replace a string with another | |
| 07:32 | to fix bug 11741 for now | |
| 07:32 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=11741 normal, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, Passed QA , < > not displaying correctly in XSLT result list |
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| 07:39 | cait | hm i think i got it |
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| 08:10 | cait | @later tell eythian could you take a look at bug 10486? I am wondering if it will be ok for packages |
| 08:10 | huginn | cait: The operation succeeded. |
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| 09:26 | ashimema | morning atheia |
| 09:29 | anyone fancy testing a SIP patch? | |
| 09:29 | bug 11633 | |
| 09:29 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=11633 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, colin.campbell, Needs Signoff , Cannot use the override function AllowFineOverride on the Staff client because this stops the pay function working on the SelfCheck (SC) machines |
| 10:02 | cait | hi atheia |
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| 10:31 | cait | hm looking for a sign off for bug 11859... |
| 10:31 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=11859 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, Needs Signoff , Add edition and publication year to PDF templates in acquisitions |
| 11:03 | cait | ashimema++ |
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| 11:43 | bgkriegel | Buen día |
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| 11:53 | cait | hi bgkriegel :) |
| 11:53 | * chris_n | grabs a can of spray and walks in the direction of bug 8375 |
| 11:53 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8375 normal, P5 - low, ---, matted-34813, Needs Signoff , Common diacritics not shown correctly when exporting batch label to PDF |
| 11:53 | cait | chris_n: good luck! |
| 12:12 | francharb | Morning |
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| 12:12 | chris_n | cait: tnx; it appears I will need lots of it |
| 12:15 | oleonard | Hi #koha |
| 12:15 | cait | chris_n: oh |
| 12:15 | hi oleonard :) | |
| 12:18 | chris_n | so does anyone else have issues with browsers borking with a error about the cookie being too long with the staff client? |
| 12:18 | seems to plague chrome and ff every few weeks | |
| 12:18 | cait | there is a known bug with search history i think |
| 12:18 | chris_n | clearing the cookies fixes it up |
| 12:19 | is there a fix for it yet? | |
| 12:19 | oleonard | There is a patch |
| 12:19 | * chris_n | is all ears |
| 12:19 | oleonard | Bug 11369 |
| 12:19 | wahanui | somebody said Bug 11369 was hitting us hard after upgrading to 3.14 |
| 12:19 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=11369 major, P5 - low, ---, olli-antti.kivilahti, Passed QA , Too many search cursor cookies overflow HTTP-header size, when making multiple searches in the staff client. |
| 12:19 | oleonard | wahanui: Oh hey I said that! |
| 12:19 | wahanui | oleonard: what? |
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| 12:20 | oleonard | ByWater applied the patch for us and it seems to have cleared it up |
| 12:20 | (haven't gotten any more reports anyway) | |
| 12:20 | chris_n | based on the irritation level around here, that should be a high priority fix |
| 12:20 | :) | |
| 12:21 | I'll apply it and see if it helps here | |
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| 12:28 | chris_n | question about the fix for 11369: it patches jquery.cookie.js-plugin which is a third-party plugin: should/has this fix been submitted to the plugin maintainer for inclusion in future releases? |
| 12:28 | * chris_n | may be showing his js ignorance |
| 12:28 | marcelr | hi #koha |
| 12:28 | cait | hm |
| 12:28 | tcohen | morning #koha |
| 12:28 | cait | i might have misread that, it hought it was only the newest version of the plugin |
| 12:29 | marcelr | hi tcohen |
| 12:29 | cait | 'Downloaded the newest plugin version and minified it. Now works as intended.' |
| 12:29 | hi marcelr and tcohen | |
| 12:29 | marcelr | is the dev meeting cancelled or is galen just absent? |
| 12:29 | hi cait | |
| 12:29 | chris_n | cait: ok, so the patch is the newest version |
| 12:31 | cait | that was my assumption |
| 12:37 | huginn | New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 10782 - Add a koha-mysqlcheck script <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]f4536f398b612944b> |
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| 12:40 | oleonard | I think it might be better to postpone the dev meeting if the RM can't be there. |
| 12:40 | Particularly with regard to the Module Maintainer/Release Maintainer discussions | |
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| 12:42 | oleonard | Anyone else have an opinion? Who is ready to commit to a meeting today? |
| 12:45 | gmcharlt | oleonard: depends on which RM you're talking about; the MM discussion is going to be much more driven by tcohen's desires, I would think |
| 12:45 | cait | I tend to agree with that |
| 12:45 | oleonard | Is tcohen going to be present? |
| 12:46 | chris_n | cait: after applying 8375: Wide character in compress at /usr/local/share/perl/5.14.2/PDF/Reuse.pm line 819. |
| 12:46 | I must be doing something wrong | |
| 12:46 | cait | hm which script? |
| 12:46 | wahanui | it has been said that which script is this? |
| 12:46 | cait | i think only some of them work nicely i ws told |
| 12:46 | hm i mean font | |
| 12:46 | chris_n | helvetica |
| 12:47 | cait | and sorry, have to run out in a few mins... hope to be back for the meeting in time |
| 12:47 | do you have the mappings in your kohaconf.xml? | |
| 12:47 | chris_n | is there anything special about the xml to add to the conf file? |
| 12:47 | yes | |
| 12:47 | huginn | New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 12105 - Remove duplicated plugin jquery.dataTables.columnFilter.js <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]d8935333014b1f62c> |
| 12:47 | cait | hm i think you might have to install the package with the fonts |
| 12:47 | chris_n | per the notes on the bug |
| 12:47 | cait | dejavu? |
| 12:47 | chris_n | they are installed as well |
| 12:47 | cait | and mabe check the paths? |
| 12:47 | chris_n | seems to be ok |
| 12:47 | :-P | |
| 12:48 | I'll go over it all again | |
| 12:48 | cait | no idea then right now sorry :( |
| 12:48 | chris_n | syntax is a killer sometimes :-) |
| 12:48 | cait | bgkriegel: ? |
| 12:48 | i think he might now much more than i do :) | |
| 12:50 | chris_n | cait: the <ttf> tags should be just inside the <yazgfs> tags, right? |
| 12:50 | or should they be below <config> | |
| 12:50 | cait | hm i am not sure and can't check right now - sorry |
| 12:51 | chris_n | k, tnx |
| 12:53 | cait | chris_n: i suggest leaving a note on the bug, bgkriegel is normally fast answering |
| 12:53 | chris_n | will do |
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| 13:01 | tcohen | hi |
| 13:01 | wahanui | salut, tcohen |
| 13:01 | tcohen | oleonard: yes |
| 13:03 | gmcharlt | Joubu: could you or one of your colleagues provide a follow-up for 11351 to add French translations? |
| 13:05 | Joubu | gmcharlt: yes, I will do it |
| 13:10 | oleonard | git bz has a problem with unicode? |
| 13:10 | UnicodeDecodeError: 'ascii' codec can't decode byte 0xc3 in position 352: ordinal not in range(128) | |
| 13:12 | Am I doing something wrong? Trying to git-bz attach a patch and I get that error | |
| 13:13 | tcohen | oleonard: it has a problem with unicode |
| 13:14 | Joubu | oleonard: you can attach this kind of patch without the -e param |
| 13:14 | ashimema | one of the signoffer/author has an unlaut or somthing in their anme oleonard |
| 13:14 | what Joubu said ;) | |
| 13:14 | oleonard | Thanks Joubu |
| 13:15 | Or the patch writer included some fancy-schmancy French word in the commit message | |
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| 13:29 | Joubu | gmcharlt: done |
| 13:30 | marcelr | Joubu? |
| 13:30 | wahanui | i guess Joubu is not his irc name? |
| 13:31 | marcelr | bug 10845 |
| 13:31 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10845 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Signed Off , Multi transport types for holds |
| 13:31 | marcelr | how do I enable sms for hold_filled? |
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| 13:35 | Joubu | marcelr: did you fill the smsdriver pref? |
| 13:35 | marcelr | i guess not |
| 13:37 | ok resolved | |
| 13:50 | oleonard | Hey you guys I had a great idea! http://imgur.com/aAAx8qU |
| 13:56 | Joubu | oleonard: will be possible shortly: https://github.com/joubu/bz-splitter ;) |
| 13:56 | wip | |
| 13:57 | oleonard | :) |
| 14:03 | marcelr | Joubu: still another question on bug 10845 ;) |
| 14:03 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10845 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Signed Off , Multi transport types for holds |
| 14:03 | marcelr | if I disable sms and email, I do not get a print notification |
| 14:03 | (as promised in the commit message) | |
| 14:05 | Joubu | hum |
| 14:05 | it should | |
| 14:05 | marcelr | it is not in the results of GetMessageing Prefs |
| 14:05 | the results are empty then | |
| 14:08 | Joubu | marcelr: no sorry. It's the expected behavior |
| 14:09 | marcelr | ok so the commit message is wrong? |
| 14:09 | Joubu | marcelr: It's useless to generate a print message |
| 14:10 | marcelr: it seems to be wrong... | |
| 14:12 | gmcharlt | Joubu++ |
| 14:14 | Joubu | marcelr: ok, looking at the code, the commit message is correct :) |
| 14:14 | sorry | |
| 14:14 | marcelr | I will read it again :) |
| 14:16 | Joubu | marcelr: look at the C4::Reserves l.1926 |
| 14:16 | marcelr | Yes I saw that (print is a fallback for the other mtt there) |
| 14:18 | commit says: if the user has neither of them, there is 1 new message: 1 print. (If the user disabled sms and email, he will have 0 messages) | |
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| 14:22 | sylvar | Hi all! Are there any vendors offering a free/cheap Koha hosted installation for hobbyists? I know there are community demo servers, but was thinking of a summer project with a bit more data continuity. |
| 14:23 | ashimema | sylvar: not that I know of, sorry. |
| 14:24 | sylvar: you could get some pretty cheap hosting and install your own though? | |
| 14:24 | sylvar | ashimema++ that's the backup plan |
| 14:25 | jcamins | sylvar: possibly. If you're in the US or Canada and a librarian (or library student, or can make a convincing argument that you should be considered to be like a librarian), you'd be eligible for our DaredevILS program. |
| 14:25 | (PMing more information) | |
| 14:25 | ashimema | these guys offer super tiny vm's: http://tinyvz.com/ |
| 14:25 | there are other of simlar style.. | |
| 14:25 | jcamins | ashimema: yeah, but OpenVZ + Koha = :( |
| 14:26 | ashimema | really? |
| 14:26 | sylvar | jcamins++ I have my MLS and my wife is getting hers in a week and a half, but she regrets her limited ILS experience and I want to show her Koha. |
| 14:26 | ashimema | jcamins to the rescue |
| 14:27 | jcamins | ashimema: yeah, it works... until someone else is doing something, and then you're SOL. |
| 14:27 | ashimema | SOL. what that.. an americanism? |
| 14:28 | sylvar | ashimema: yes, 'shit out of luck'. |
| 14:28 | ashimema | haha.. I see |
| 14:28 | cheers | |
| 14:29 | * ashimema | is a silly brit |
| 14:29 | sylvar | If I'm understanding correctly, the British equivalent is "and then you're lucked out". But in US English, we say "I really lucked out" when we roll a natural 20. |
| 14:29 | * oleonard | tasks ashimema with promulgating "SOL" throughout the British Isles |
| 14:30 | ashimema | pass |
| 14:30 | jcamins | ashimema: it's a great phrase! |
| 14:31 | ashimema | yeah, happy to spread it.. |
| 14:31 | pass was to sylvar and what we have as an equiivlent | |
| 14:31 | jcamins | Oh, I see. |
| 14:32 | sylvar | Well, I got here through KiTTY/SOCKS5, so I should politely drop my tunnel now that I don't strictly need it. Thanks, all! |
| 14:34 | oleonard | Hm. Kitty socks. |
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| 14:43 | cait-m__ | i will be around for the neeting |
| 14:44 | but have to get off the bis firsr | |
| 14:44 | might be 5 mins late | |
| 14:48 | hm meeting bus first - need my laptop :) | |
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| 14:56 | cait-m__ | brb |
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| 14:59 | cait | hola |
| 14:59 | wahanui | hey, cait |
| 15:00 | cait | wiki claims it's meeting time... |
| 15:00 | anyone here for a meeting? | |
| 15:01 | tcohen | +1 |
| 15:01 | ashimema | +1 |
| 15:01 | thd | +1 |
| 15:02 | cait | ok |
| 15:02 | gmcharlt asked me if i could chair - but we will make it a quick 1 hour meeting then | |
| 15:02 | is that ok? | |
| 15:02 | jwagner | My calendar said there was a meeting, is the the normal monthly one or something else? |
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| 15:02 | cait | this is the dev meeting and we are holding elections today |
| 15:03 | noone vetoes.. so i am going to start it :) | |
| 15:03 | #startmeeting Dev IRC Meeting, part 1 | |
| 15:03 | huginn | Meeting started Wed Apr 23 15:03:12 2014 UTC. The chair is cait. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. |
| 15:03 | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | |
| 15:03 | Topic for #koha is now (Meeting topic: Dev IRC Meeting, part 1) | |
| 15:03 | huginn | The meeting name has been set to 'dev_irc_meeting__part_1' |
| 15:03 | tajoli | #info Zeno Tajoli, CINECA |
| 15:03 | cait | #topic Introductions |
| 15:03 | wahanui | #info wahanui, a bot that has become sentient |
| 15:03 | Topic for #koha is now Introductions (Meeting topic: Dev IRC Meeting, part 1) | |
| 15:03 | marcelr | #info Marcel |
| 15:03 | cait | please introduce yourself with #info |
| 15:03 | JesseM | #info Jesse Maseto - ByWater |
| 15:03 | tcohen | #info Tomas Cohen Arazi, Universidad Nacional de Cordoba |
| 15:03 | talljoy | #info Joy Nelson - ByWater Solutions |
| 15:03 | cait | #info Katrin Fischer, BSZ Germany |
| 15:03 | ashimema | #info Martin Renvoize, PTFS Europe |
| 15:04 | thd | #info Thomas Dukleth, Agogme, New York City |
| 15:04 | tajoli | #info Zeno Tajoli, CINECA (Italy) |
| 15:04 | bgkriegel | #info Bernardo Gonzalez Kriegel, UNCordoba |
| 15:04 | cait | i wonder if the meeting bot allows a second chair? |
| 15:04 | if someone knows, please pm me | |
| 15:04 | i'd like to start with the elections as a first item for today | |
| 15:05 | oleonard | #info Owen Leonard, Athens County Public Libraries |
| 15:05 | ashimema | go for it cait.. |
| 15:05 | cait | #topic Elections - Release Team 3.18 |
| 15:05 | Topic for #koha is now Elections - Release Team 3.18 (Meeting topic: Dev IRC Meeting, part 1) | |
| 15:05 | cait | #link http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]ki/Roles_for_3.18 |
| 15:06 | #chair ashimema | |
| 15:06 | huginn | Current chairs: ashimema cait |
| 15:06 | cait | ah :) |
| 15:06 | just in case this takes longer ;) | |
| 15:06 | mario joined #koha | |
| 15:06 | cait | or i fall off the free wifi |
| 15:06 | ok | |
| 15:07 | we have different options here | |
| 15:07 | nengard | #info Nicole Engard, ByWater Solutions |
| 15:07 | cait | vote on persons (p), roles (r) and the total release team (t) |
| 15:07 | can i get a qiuck preference? | |
| 15:07 | barton | #info Barton Chittenden, Bywater Solutions, Louisville KY, USA |
| 15:07 | ashimema | I better find the agenda then, jsut in case ;) |
| 15:08 | talljoy | roles |
| 15:08 | cait | i linked the roles above, the agenda is here |
| 15:08 | tajoli | roles |
| 15:08 | ashimema | roles.. |
| 15:08 | jwagner | #info Jane Wagner, LibLime/PTFS |
| 15:08 | Joubu | #info Jonathan Druart, BibLibre, France |
| 15:08 | cait | #link http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]ng,_23_April_2014 |
| 15:08 | dani joined #koha | |
| 15:09 | cait | ok :) |
| 15:09 | roles it is | |
| 15:09 | so let's start with a vote on the most important role :) | |
| 15:09 | talljoy | QA |
| 15:09 | :-D | |
| 15:09 | cait | heh |
| 15:09 | marcelr | :) |
| 15:09 | cait | i was thinking RM :) |
| 15:09 | tcohen | heh |
| 15:09 | rocio left #koha | |
| 15:09 | rocio joined #koha | |
| 15:09 | cait | #topic Vote on RM |
| 15:09 | Topic for #koha is now Vote on RM (Meeting topic: Dev IRC Meeting, part 1) | |
| 15:09 | marcelr | +1 for tcohen |
| 15:09 | ashimema | +1 for tcohen |
| 15:09 | talljoy | +1 |
| 15:09 | oleonard | +1 for tcohen |
| 15:09 | Joubu | +1 |
| 15:09 | cait | #info Candidate: Tomas Cohen Arazi |
| 15:09 | +1 | |
| 15:09 | bgkriegel | +1 |
| 15:09 | rocio | #info Rocio Jordan ByWater Solutions |
| 15:10 | cait | I am also going to add: gmcharlt: +1 |
| 15:10 | wahanui | okay, cait. |
| 15:10 | nengard | +1 for tcohen |
| 15:10 | JesseM | +1 for tcohen |
| 15:10 | cait | the +1 for gmcharlts applies to all votes today :) |
| 15:10 | thd | +1 |
| 15:10 | tajoli | +1 for tcohen |
| 15:10 | bag_confcall | #info Brendan Gallagher ByWater |
| 15:10 | +1 | |
| 15:10 | cait | #agreed Release manager for 3.18 is: Tomas Cohen Arazi (tcohen) |
| 15:10 | mario | #info Mario Guilin ByWater Solutions |
| 15:10 | thd | +1 tcohen |
| 15:11 | cait | congratulations! :) |
| 15:11 | nengard | congrats |
| 15:11 | cait | tcohen++ |
| 15:11 | JesseM | congrats tcohen |
| 15:11 | ashimema | you poor bugger tcohen.. |
| 15:11 | cait | #topic Vote on Release Maintainers |
| 15:11 | Topic for #koha is now Vote on Release Maintainers (Meeting topic: Dev IRC Meeting, part 1) | |
| 15:11 | nengard | heh |
| 15:11 | chris_n | +1 |
| 15:11 | ashimema | sorry.. menna say congrats ;) |
| 15:11 | tcohen | thanks for your support #koha |
| 15:11 | cait | #info Candidates are: 3.16: Galen Charlton, 3.14 Fridolin Somers, 3.12 Kyle Hall |
| 15:11 | tcohen | i know i'll do my best |
| 15:11 | chris_n | #info Chris Nighswonger FBC |
| 15:12 | marcelr | +1 for all three of them |
| 15:12 | cait | please vote :) |
| 15:12 | talljoy | +1 |
| 15:12 | chris_n | +1 |
| 15:12 | Joubu | +1 |
| 15:12 | nengard | +1 to all three |
| 15:12 | JesseM | +1 |
| 15:12 | ashimema | +1 to all three |
| 15:12 | cait | cait: +1, gmcharlt: +1 |
| 15:12 | oleonard | +1 |
| 15:12 | tcohen | +1 |
| 15:12 | bag | +1 |
| 15:12 | tajoli | +1 for all three |
| 15:12 | thd | +1 all |
| 15:12 | bgkriegel | +1 all |
| 15:12 | tcohen | +1 all |
| 15:13 | cait | #agreed Release maintainers are Galen Charlton (gmcharlt, 3.14), Fridolin Somers (3.14) and Kyle Hall (khall, 3.12) |
| 15:13 | #topic Vote on Module maintainers | |
| 15:13 | Topic for #koha is now Vote on Module maintainers (Meeting topic: Dev IRC Meeting, part 1) | |
| 15:13 | Joubu | s/3.14/3.16 |
| 15:13 | tcohen | gmcharlt 3.16 |
| 15:13 | cait | #info Candidates are...on the wiki |
| 15:13 | oh typoed | |
| 15:13 | thx | |
| 15:13 | oleonard | So no more official support for 3.10 or 3.8? |
| 15:14 | cait | #agreed .. and that would be Galen Charlton for 3.16! |
| 15:14 | oleonard: so far noone stepped up, i think we could still have somoene elected later | |
| 15:14 | i am quite glad khall stepped up for 3.12 actually | |
| 15:14 | oleonard | khall++ |
| 15:14 | ashimema | khall++ indeed |
| 15:15 | bag | khall++ |
| 15:15 | talljoy | khall++ |
| 15:15 | nengard | khall++ |
| 15:15 | tcohen | khall++ # lots of stuff |
| 15:15 | cait | because it looked like that would go eol for a bit too |
| 15:15 | khall | 3.8 has not needed an update in many months, I would be willing to work on 3.12, 3.10 and 3.8 if needed |
| 15:16 | JesseM | khall++ |
| 15:16 | khall | I expect updates to 3.10 will be rare, and 3.8 even more so |
| 15:16 | tajoli | very good khall |
| 15:16 | ashimema | the whole LTS and support length is another conversation really.. |
| 15:16 | marcelr | i would focus on 3.12, khall |
| 15:16 | cait | probably only security updates now |
| 15:16 | khall | agreed |
| 15:16 | ashimema | sounds fair to me.. |
| 15:16 | +1 | |
| 15:16 | tcohen | +1 |
| 15:17 | cait | thx to all who volunteered for being module maintainers |
| 15:17 | +1, gmcharlt +1 | |
| 15:17 | I am going to not list all in the agreed - please forgive me for that :) | |
| 15:17 | nengard | +1 |
| 15:17 | JesseM | +1 |
| 15:17 | bag | no vote for myself --> but +1 for the rest |
| 15:17 | oleonard | +1 for module maintainers |
| 15:17 | talljoy | +1 |
| 15:17 | * chris_n | volunteers to keep riding herd on label, et. al. |
| 15:18 | cait | +1 for chris_n :) |
| 15:18 | marcelr | +1 for all MM |
| 15:18 | ashimema | I was tihnking of volunteering for a module next time around.. but sticking to QA this time |
| 15:18 | +1 for all those who stepped up, good show | |
| 15:18 | marcelr | do not leave QA, ashimena |
| 15:18 | Joubu | +1 for others, -1 for me (Acq will be a pain...) |
| 15:18 | bag | heh Joubu++ |
| 15:19 | ashimema | was thinking I might persuade the boss to let me do both ;) |
| 15:19 | thd | +1 sll |
| 15:19 | cait | yeah, extra cookies for Joubu :) |
| 15:19 | ashimema | Joubu++ |
| 15:19 | tcohen | Joubu++ |
| 15:19 | cait | ok, ready for an agreed? :) |
| 15:19 | bag | ashimema: aren't you the boss of yourself |
| 15:19 | marcelr | ashimena: you can always enter QA but never leave :) |
| 15:19 | cait | #agreed All module maintainers elected (see wiki) |
| 15:19 | ashimema | nah, the other half's gotta have some say bag ;) |
| 15:19 | cait | #topic Vote on Translation manager |
| 15:19 | Topic for #koha is now Vote on Translation manager (Meeting topic: Dev IRC Meeting, part 1) | |
| 15:20 | cait | #info candidate is Bernardo Gonzalez Kriegel |
| 15:20 | bag | +1 |
| 15:20 | marcelr | +1 |
| 15:20 | oleonard | +1 |
| 15:20 | tajoli | +1 |
| 15:20 | JesseM | +1 |
| 15:20 | ashimema | +1 Bernardo |
| 15:20 | Joubu | +1 |
| 15:20 | tcohen | +1 |
| 15:20 | cait | bgkriegel++ # great work! |
| 15:20 | talljoy | +1 |
| 15:20 | cait | and +1, gmcharlt +1 |
| 15:20 | chris_n | +1 |
| 15:20 | bgkriegel | thx :) |
| 15:20 | nengard | +1 |
| 15:21 | khall | +1 |
| 15:21 | thd | +1 |
| 15:21 | cait | #agreed New old translation manager is Bernardo Gonzalez Kriegel (bgkriegel) |
| 15:21 | #topic Documentation manager | |
| 15:21 | Topic for #koha is now Documentation manager (Meeting topic: Dev IRC Meeting, part 1) | |
| 15:22 | cait | #info candidate is Nicole Engard (nengard) |
| 15:22 | please vote :) | |
| 15:22 | oleonard | I thought nengard had been elected for a lifetime term :P |
| 15:22 | chris_n | +1 |
| 15:22 | cait | +1, gmcharlt +1 |
| 15:22 | talljoy | +1 |
| 15:22 | * nengard | too |
| 15:22 | oleonard | +1 |
| 15:22 | barton | +1 |
| 15:22 | JesseM | +1 |
| 15:22 | chris_n | nengard++ |
| 15:22 | bag | +1 |
| 15:22 | ashimema | nengard++ |
| 15:22 | Joubu | +1 |
| 15:22 | ashimema | life term ;) |
| 15:22 | thd | +1 |
| 15:22 | ashimema | +1 |
| 15:22 | bgkriegel | +1 |
| 15:22 | tajoli | +1 |
| 15:23 | marcelr | +1 |
| 15:23 | khall | +1 |
| 15:23 | tcohen | +1 |
| 15:23 | cait | #agreed New Documentation manager - Nicole Engard (nengard) |
| 15:23 | nengard | :) |
| 15:23 | cait | #topic Quality Assurance Manager |
| 15:23 | Topic for #koha is now Quality Assurance Manager (Meeting topic: Dev IRC Meeting, part 1) | |
| 15:23 | edveal | #info edveal ByWater |
| 15:24 | cait | #info candidate: Katrin Fischer (cait) |
| 15:24 | nengard | +1 |
| 15:24 | chris_n | +1 |
| 15:24 | oleonard | +1 for cait! |
| 15:24 | edveal | +1 |
| 15:24 | bag | +1 |
| 15:24 | ashimema | cait++ |
| 15:24 | barton | +1 |
| 15:24 | Joubu | cait++ |
| 15:24 | +1 | |
| 15:24 | ashimema | +1 for cait |
| 15:24 | bag | cait++ |
| 15:24 | talljoy | +1 |
| 15:24 | chris_n | cait++ |
| 15:24 | thd | ashemima: Yes, it could become a penal sentence |
| 15:24 | khall | +1 |
| 15:24 | tcohen | +1 |
| 15:24 | JesseM | +1 |
| 15:24 | thd | +1 |
| 15:24 | bgkriegel | +1 |
| 15:24 | JesseM | cait++ |
| 15:24 | rocio | +1 |
| 15:25 | mario | +1 |
| 15:25 | laurence left #koha | |
| 15:25 | nengard | cait we skipped the DB doc manager (just a reminder to go back) |
| 15:25 | cait | yep, will fix after qa assistants |
| 15:25 | sorry, had scrolled too far | |
| 15:25 | nengard | no problem! |
| 15:25 | cait | #agreed Katrin Fischer will be Quality Assurance Manager |
| 15:26 | tcohen | :-D |
| 15:26 | marcelr | +1 for cait |
| 15:26 | thd | nengard++ |
| 15:26 | cait | thx all :) |
| 15:26 | #topic Quality Asssurance Team | |
| 15:26 | Topic for #koha is now Quality Asssurance Team (Meeting topic: Dev IRC Meeting, part 1) | |
| 15:26 | cait | long list of candidates - let's keep the queue small :) |
| 15:27 | thd | +1 all we can have |
| 15:27 | JesseM | +1 to all |
| 15:27 | oleonard | +1 to all |
| 15:27 | marcelr | +1 |
| 15:27 | chris_n | +1 to all |
| 15:27 | tcohen | +1 all |
| 15:27 | tajoli | +1 to all |
| 15:27 | talljoy | +1 |
| 15:27 | edveal | +1 to all |
| 15:27 | Joubu | +1 |
| 15:27 | nengard | +1 |
| 15:27 | cait | #info Candidates are: Martin Renvoize, Marcel de Rooy, Brendan Gallagher, Paul Poulain, Julian Maurice, Jonathan Druart, Galen Charlton, Kyle M Hall |
| 15:27 | +1 to all of them! | |
| 15:27 | +1 from gmcharlt as well | |
| 15:27 | barton | +1 to all. |
| 15:27 | ashimema | +1 to all |
| 15:27 | barton | (and all for 1) |
| 15:28 | rocio | +1 to all |
| 15:28 | lol barton | |
| 15:28 | cait | #agreed QA team: Martin Renvoize, Marcel de Rooy, Brendan Gallagher, Paul Poulain, Julian Maurice, Jonathan Druart, Galen Charlton, Kyle M Hall |
| 15:28 | hmwondering if the election is official before the second meeting? | |
| 15:29 | but I don't expect too many changes :) | |
| 15:29 | #topic Database documentation manager | |
| 15:29 | Topic for #koha is now Database documentation manager (Meeting topic: Dev IRC Meeting, part 1) | |
| 15:29 | cait | #info candidate is Zeno Tajoli |
| 15:29 | nengard | +1 |
| 15:29 | cait | #1, gmcharlt +1 |
| 15:29 | thd | +1 |
| 15:29 | cait | hm +1 |
| 15:29 | oleonard | +1 |
| 15:29 | JesseM | +1 |
| 15:29 | tcohen | +1 |
| 15:29 | barton | +1 |
| 15:30 | Joubu | +1 |
| 15:30 | edveal | +1 |
| 15:30 | ashimema | +1 |
| 15:30 | bgkriegel | +1 |
| 15:30 | bag | +1 |
| 15:30 | talljoy | +1 |
| 15:30 | khall | +1 |
| 15:30 | cait | #agreed Database documentation manager is Zeno Tajoli |
| 15:30 | #topic Packaging manager | |
| 15:30 | tajoli | :) |
| 15:30 | Topic for #koha is now Packaging manager (Meeting topic: Dev IRC Meeting, part 1) | |
| 15:30 | cait | #info candidate is Robin Sheat (eythian) |
| 15:30 | marcelr | +1 |
| 15:31 | thd | +1 |
| 15:31 | cait | almost done, hang on everyone :) |
| 15:31 | bag | +1 |
| 15:31 | JesseM | +1 |
| 15:31 | ashimema | +1 for Robin.. |
| 15:31 | cait | +1, gmcharlt +1 |
| 15:31 | Joubu | +1 |
| 15:31 | tajoli | +1 |
| 15:31 | talljoy | +1 |
| 15:31 | cait | also eythian++ packages++ |
| 15:31 | bgkriegel | +1 |
| 15:31 | rocio | +1 |
| 15:31 | oleonard | +1 |
| 15:31 | barton | +1 |
| 15:31 | cait | #agreed Packaging manager is Robin Sheat |
| 15:31 | #topic Bug Wranglers | |
| 15:31 | Topic for #koha is now Bug Wranglers (Meeting topic: Dev IRC Meeting, part 1) | |
| 15:31 | cait | our list of bug wranglers is quite short this time |
| 15:31 | thd | +1 |
| 15:32 | cait | any last minute wranglers? :) |
| 15:32 | khall | +1 |
| 15:32 | talljoy | +1 |
| 15:32 | oleonard | +1 |
| 15:32 | cait | #candidate: Zeno Tajoli |
| 15:32 | wahanui | well, Zeno Tajoli is the person who has introduced UNIMARC italian support into Koha |
| 15:32 | nengard | +1 |
| 15:32 | thd | +1 all volunteers |
| 15:32 | edveal | +1 |
| 15:32 | cait | ok, isee you people are on auto pilot by now :) |
| 15:32 | oleonard | :) |
| 15:32 | * cait | thinks oleonard is also a bug wrangler |
| 15:32 | wahanui | okay, cait. |
| 15:32 | tcohen | +1 |
| 15:32 | cait | ah wahanui... |
| 15:32 | +1, gmcharlt +1 | |
| 15:33 | Joubu | +1 |
| 15:33 | tcohen | +1 # eythian, missed that 7 |
| 15:33 | cait | #agreed Bug wranglers... Zeno Tajoli |
| 15:33 | done! | |
| 15:33 | tajoli | :) |
| 15:33 | cait | We got a release team 3.18 :) |
| 15:33 | ashimema | I'll get athaei to volunteer before the seocnd meeting ;) |
| 15:33 | thd | I still control my autopilot even in my sleep. :) |
| 15:33 | cait | community++ |
| 15:34 | tcohen | koha+ |
| 15:34 | cait | :) |
| 15:34 | i am not sure we wll make the whole agenda in the time remaining | |
| 15:35 | hm let's see:) | |
| 15:35 | ashimema | maybe not.. but worth starting ;) |
| 15:35 | * barton | is stayin' the distance. |
| 15:35 | cait | #topic Discussion: Role of Module Maintainrs |
| 15:35 | Topic for #koha is now Discussion: Role of Module Maintainrs (Meeting topic: Dev IRC Meeting, part 1) | |
| 15:35 | cait | another typo, gr. |
| 15:35 | on the agenda is a link to the discussion page in the wiki, with some opinions about this | |
| 15:36 | ashimema | I'll take over if you have to go cait ;) (assuming I can remember any irc commands) |
| 15:36 | cait | #link http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]ule_maintainer_do |
| 15:36 | ashimema: thx:) if you could take over at around :50 that would be awesome | |
| 15:36 | ashimema | :) |
| 15:37 | cait | I made the topic, i can't force you all to discuss :) |
| 15:37 | ashimema | I think tcohens 'Communication would be key' sums up my thoughts on Module maintainers. |
| 15:37 | * cait | agrees |
| 15:38 | tcohen | my thought is that MM are people that have a deep insight on the problems related to a specific module |
| 15:38 | tajoli | I'm agree with tcohen |
| 15:38 | ashimema | yup.. |
| 15:38 | tcohen | as I expressed before, the main help will be integrating patch series into topic branches |
| 15:39 | * chris_n | would suggest that MMs be able to QA within their module as well |
| 15:39 | tcohen | which as RM i'd pull. I really hope i can do it well regarding to communication |
| 15:40 | ashimema | agree with chris_n, it's often hard to find the expertise for certain area's in koha.. diluting the pool by removing the MM from QA for their module would just make that harder.. |
| 15:40 | bag | yes - MM has a good idea of what's important to get push to "help" his module. I view my role would be to help encourage others to test and QA patches in "my" module... so things don't get lost. Encouragement - then once it's all good - communicate with the RM to say it's important and has passed all steps :) |
| 15:41 | ashimema | bag++ |
| 15:41 | cait | ashimema: i agree about that for some areas, other areas like holds and circs often can't have enough eyes on them |
| 15:41 | bag++ | |
| 15:41 | tcohen | bag++ |
| 15:41 | cait | i think i like that idea - havign someone being responsible for an area, taking care no kittens get lost, prioritize etc |
| 15:41 | communicate :) | |
| 15:41 | thd | tcohen: Do you have any comment about the thought from paul_p that a module maintainer is automatically part of the QA team for that module? |
| 15:42 | paul_p | hey, I missed the start of the meeting ! |
| 15:42 | ashimema | agreed cait, where there's not a lack of expertise, then get as many eys on the ball as possible... and as bag says, that's part of the MM's job.. to promote poeple looking at bugs in their area. |
| 15:42 | paul_p | thx to call me thd ! |
| 15:42 | cait | thd: hm i think that goes into a very similar direction as the question before |
| 15:42 | paul_p | (time passes so quickly...) |
| 15:42 | bag | also for something with LDAP/SIP which I volunteered for - it's hard for people to test - so ideally I will help provide a testing suite to help, move things along |
| 15:43 | cait | :) |
| 15:43 | thd | paul_p: Would there be a danger of reduced review in your thought? |
| 15:43 | cait | everything server side is a bit hard to get people on |
| 15:43 | ashimema | perfect bag.. |
| 15:43 | cait | ldap, sip, packages, etc. |
| 15:43 | tcohen | thd: i've just read the ongoing discussion (i've just arrived Cordoba from a month abroad) |
| 15:43 | ashimema | I hadn't thought about that side.. good idea.. give people the tools to fish and they'll feed themsevles froever ;) |
| 15:44 | cait | heh |
| 15:44 | bag | welcome back tcohen :) |
| 15:44 | paul_p | well, it was just a question/suggestion. and my main feeling is that it's the RM that should decide ! |
| 15:44 | cait | +1 |
| 15:44 | paul_p | tcohen welcome back 3.18 RM !!! |
| 15:45 | tcohen | as i see it, MM should be part of the QA team, and the ones responsible of integrating the patches fr their modules for pulling |
| 15:45 | paul_p | maybe we should let tcohen some time to be back, and talk about that in the next days |
| 15:45 | tcohen | and i don't think this should prevent scrutiny from other QA members |
| 15:45 | cait | I'd like MM not to replace QA |
| 15:45 | tcohen | thanks paul_p |
| 15:46 | nengard left #koha | |
| 15:46 | cait | we will have overlap, but let's give it a try to get otherson board for testing |
| 15:46 | * paul_p | remember his honeymoon, 20 years ago... |
| 15:46 | ashimema | communication is key.. :) |
| 15:46 | +1 to communication | |
| 15:46 | thd | paul_p: I think that your sus excellent and of course the RM should decide. I merely see the possibility of risk for not enough independent examination in merging MM with QA. |
| 15:46 | tcohen | nothing ever gets pushed without a lot of eyes on it |
| 15:46 | cait | :) |
| 15:47 | i will move the topic if that's ok? | |
| 15:47 | tcohen | this is a matter of trust and communication |
| 15:47 | chris_n | I think if MMs are ever to direct push, they will need to QA also to some extent |
| 15:47 | paul_p | thd = OTOH, if adding MM is only adding one step, I think/fear it won't improve our workflow. |
| 15:47 | thd | paul_p: I think that it is a necessary risk to cope with the volume well. |
| 15:47 | s/volume/volume of patches/ | |
| 15:48 | paul_p | thd (not sure I understand what you mean) |
| 15:50 | cait | hm maybe we should move on and leave at that for now? |
| 15:50 | paul_p | +1 |
| 15:50 | cait | #topic Discussion: Role of Release maintainers |
| 15:50 | ashimema | +1 |
| 15:50 | Topic for #koha is now Discussion: Role of Release maintainers (Meeting topic: Dev IRC Meeting, part 1) | |
| 15:50 | thd | paul_p:The task of RM is very large and motivates using MM, similarly the task of QA, consequently I think that your thought about MM merging somewhat with QA is a good one despite risks of insufficient independence. |
| 15:50 | cait | #link http://lists.koha-community.or[…]April/040420.html |
| 15:51 | paul_p | thd= ok, so you mostly agree with me, right ? ;-) |
| 15:51 | cait | linking to an email from gmcharlt on the mailing list |
| 15:51 | chris_n | paul_p: probably the MM is a mini-RM for a given module with similar RM prerogatives limited to a given module |
| 15:51 | cait | I think his definition covers the current role well |
| 15:51 | thd | paul_p: I completely agree I merely nopte the risk so that we can be aware of it. |
| 15:52 | paul_p | chris_n that's my feeling & what I'd like to see on Koha ! |
| 15:52 | thd | paul_p++ |
| 15:52 | ashimema | ++ |
| 15:52 | right.. so release maintainers.. | |
| 15:53 | cait | i have to run :) - be good for ashimema #koha |
| 15:53 | ashimema | I think the bigger question here is 'Should we adopt a more rigid release/support pattern' |
| 15:54 | in terms of.. how long we should support our cycle.. | |
| 15:54 | to me there's also two levels of support.. | |
| 15:54 | security only fixes, and bug fixes.. | |
| 15:54 | anyone? | |
| 15:54 | wahanui | Anyone? Anyone? Bueller? Bueller? |
| 15:54 | paul_p | ashimema = I fear it's all related to having a volunteer to maintain ! |
| 15:54 | thd | paul_p++ |
| 15:55 | ashimema | having volunteers, or encouraging people to step up? |
| 15:55 | paul_p | ashimema = for 3.14, I alsmot can guarantee you'll get a RMaint for the next 12 months, because we're deploying it a lot ;-) |
| 15:55 | ashimema | ;) |
| 15:55 | likewise | |
| 15:55 | oleonard | I think the point is that if we *want* to adopt a more rigid release/support pattern then we can do more to convince folks to take on the role. Still no guarantee though. |
| 15:56 | ashimema | oleonard++ exactly my thoughts |
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| 15:56 | thd | Despite the truth of needing a maintainer to volunteer, we might have an official community position that the community strives to maintain the previous X release for period Y. |
| 15:57 | ashimema | I think the stats stuff will be usefull to tell us our demographic better too.. |
| 15:57 | I actualyl have very little idea of what versions are in the wild outside of our own comapny ;) | |
| 15:57 | tajoli | For me as comunity i think we need encouraging people to step up around 18-24 months. LTS si for paid costumers |
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| 15:58 | ashimema | 18-24 months is 3-4 releases.. |
| 15:58 | which is about what we've got ;) | |
| 15:58 | tajoli | In fact is the today situation |
| 15:58 | paul_p | ashimema = 18 months sounds a good duration. |
| 15:58 | (to me) | |
| 15:58 | tcohen | we could add to the mix the fac tthat the current channel/pocket schema in the Debian repo makes people inadvertedly shift version too soon |
| 15:59 | paul_p | channel/pocket schema ??? |
| 15:59 | ashimema | good point tcohen.. there was a mail thread aobut that too i think |
| 15:59 | tcohen | ashimema: i missed it as well |
| 15:59 | paul_p: we call 'squeeze' the stable version | |
| 16:00 | we where in 3.12.5 when 3.14.0 overwrote 'squeeze' | |
| 16:00 | ashimema | just trying to dig it out.. |
| 16:00 | there was a conversation about switching the repository to testing, stable and oldstable.. | |
| 16:01 | thd | squeeze forever :) |
| 16:01 | ashimema | then trying to keep those inline with our verisoning instead of confusing people with squeeze, wheezy stuff. |
| 16:02 | tcohen | i'm in favour of using "3.12" "3.14" and so on instead |
| 16:02 | * liw | pipes in and says he'd be happy to discuss the apt repository setup if that'd be helpful, but not right now since he's at work and busy with things |
| 16:02 | ashimema | how would you 'deprecate' a version tcohen? |
| 16:02 | liw, whose liw.. forgive my ignorance | |
| 16:02 | tcohen | lars |
| 16:03 | ashimema | ooh.. lars. didn't know he still lurked.. |
| 16:03 | liw | (I made the .deb packages originally, though I haven't been involved in years) |
| 16:03 | tcohen | liw: i'd be great to discuss it whenever you have time to do it |
| 16:03 | ashimema | lets have a chat at a more appropriate moment maybe.. get the key players in packages together. |
| 16:03 | liw | if someone can give me a URL to the email thread, I'll respond to that when I can |
| 16:04 | ashimema | adn.. we're no in overtime for the meeting chaps. |
| 16:04 | I'll dig it out liw | |
| 16:04 | http://lists.koha-community.or[…]April/040430.html | |
| 16:05 | that's one thread.. but it morphed into another which i'm trying to find. | |
| 16:05 | pastebot | "tcohen" at 172.16.248.198 pasted "thread" (1 line) at http://paste.koha-community.org/11 |
| 16:05 | ashimema | actually.. i think it's all there. |
| 16:05 | liw | ashimema, thanks; do continue the meeting |
| 16:06 | ashimema | so.. shall we move on.. |
| 16:06 | #Topic Additions to Coding guidelines | |
| 16:06 | Topic for #koha is now Additions to Coding guidelines (Meeting topic: Dev IRC Meeting, part 1) | |
| 16:06 | ashimema | Does everyone agree on deprecating C4::Dates? |
| 16:06 | (first I've spotted this :S) | |
| 16:07 | Joubu | +1 for deprecating C4/* |
| 16:07 | ashimema | +1 |
| 16:07 | anyone else? | |
| 16:07 | tcohen | +1 |
| 16:08 | ashimema | and moving on again |
| 16:08 | #Topic Big stuff we are working on | |
| 16:08 | Topic for #koha is now Big stuff we are working on (Meeting topic: Dev IRC Meeting, part 1) | |
| 16:08 | thd | Has it not already been deprecated and is the issue not more about updating the coding guidelines to reflect that? |
| 16:08 | ashimema | good spot thd.. |
| 16:08 | thd | +1 |
| 16:08 | oleonard | ashimema: Did we arrive at an #agreed on that one? |
| 16:09 | ashimema | yeah, we should reflect the change |
| 16:09 | +1 | |
| 16:09 | gmcharlt | a commit adding a big "DO NOT USE" to C4/Dates.lpm would also be good |
| 16:09 | ashimema | funny how peopel pipe up when you decide to move on ;).. works a charm |
| 16:09 | * gmcharlt | is not really hear |
| 16:09 | gmcharlt | *here |
| 16:09 | ashimema | +1 to gmcharlt's suggestion |
| 16:09 | I'm happy to add it to the Coding guidlines if we agree.. | |
| 16:10 | thd | +1 |
| 16:10 | ashimema | hell, lets go for it. |
| 16:10 | #agreed Add 'Deprecate C4/Dates.pm to coding guidlines' | |
| 16:11 | thd | +1 Changing the guidelines and adding an unmissable comment to the code.. |
| 16:11 | ashimema | can we now move on.. pretty please.. :) |
| 16:11 | barton | How 'bout a 'depricated()' method in C4/Dates.pm. |
| 16:11 | sorry. will shutup now. | |
| 16:12 | ashimema | hehe.. |
| 16:12 | did anyone have any anouncments then? | |
| 16:12 | i facny that'll be more for the part 2 of this meeting.. if there are any? | |
| 16:13 | ok, moving on again then.. | |
| 16:13 | #Topic Date of next meeting. | |
| 16:13 | Topic for #koha is now Date of next meeting. (Meeting topic: Dev IRC Meeting, part 1) | |
| 16:13 | ashimema | gmcharlt suggest same times on the 30th |
| 16:14 | +1 from me, though I personally can't make it | |
| 16:14 | thd | +1 Same times 30 April |
| 16:14 | barton | umholdon... |
| 16:15 | tajoli | not 30 May ? |
| 16:15 | oleonard | Another meeting in 1 week? |
| 16:15 | barton | bywater staff retreat is going on then... |
| 16:15 | ashimema | 30 May, me thinks.. |
| 16:15 | barton | I don't know if that matters... |
| 16:15 | ashimema | I only got 30th in the chat ;).. |
| 16:15 | 1 week is a bit short ;) | |
| 16:15 | gmcharlt | oleonard: next week is too soon, but mid-May or late May |
| 16:15 | oleonard | 30 May is a Friday |
| 16:15 | gaetan_B | bye |
| 16:16 | oleonard | Wednesday 21 May? |
| 16:16 | * thd | assumed some agenda forthcoming for 30 April -- oops. |
| 16:17 | gmcharlt | +1 21 May |
| 16:17 | barton | ok nevermind. may. |
| 16:17 | ashimema | 21st is also good by me.. (and I can make that at the moment ;) ) |
| 16:17 | wahanui | okay, ashimema. |
| 16:17 | ashimema | +1 |
| 16:17 | thd | +1 21 May same times. |
| 16:17 | tajoli | +1 21 May same times. |
| 16:18 | ashimema | ok, wanting to bring this to a close now.. only 1/3 time over ;) |
| 16:18 | #agreed 21st May for next meeting(s) | |
| 16:19 | thd | ashimema++ |
| 16:19 | ashimema | #endmeeting |
| 16:19 | Topic for #koha is now Next general meeting is 7 May 2014 at 15:00 and 21:00 UTC. Welcome to the IRC home of Koha http://koha-community.org. Please use http://paste.koha-community.org for pastes. | |
| 16:19 | huginn | Meeting ended Wed Apr 23 16:19:45 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) |
| 16:19 | Minutes: http://meetings.koha-community[…]-04-23-15.03.html | |
| 16:19 | Minutes (text): http://meetings.koha-community[…]4-04-23-15.03.txt | |
| 16:19 | Log: http://meetings.koha-community[…]23-15.03.log.html | |
| 16:20 | oleonard | ashimema++ # thanks for chairing |
| 16:20 | ashimema | got a feeling I may need to get those logs cleaned up slightly.. never driven meetbot before.. |
| 16:20 | appologies | |
| 16:21 | barton_lunch | ashimema: yeah, the clutch is tricky with the meetbot, and you never know how much gas to give it... |
| 16:21 | ashimema | not too far out by the looks.. only my minor mess up for moving on topic before agreeing at the end ;) |
| 16:21 | hehe | |
| 16:22 | thd | If I am tired, then I must be awake and must be in the wrong (sleep|wale) state. |
| 16:22 | s/wale/wake/ | |
| 16:22 | tajoli | do you know who manage schema.koha-community.org ? |
| 16:24 | wajasu | rangi |
| 16:26 | tajoli | Ok, thank you !! |
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| 17:30 | oleonard | Isn't there a preference for controlling whether an marking an item lost removes it from the patron's checkouts or not? |
| 17:36 | francharb | oleonard, I think it's not a preference |
| 17:36 | but manageable with the script | |
| 17:36 | longoverdue | |
| 17:36 | oleonard | Okay maybe that's what I was thinking of. |
| 17:38 | francharb | I just checked, its the "mark-returned" parameter I was thinking of |
| 17:38 | ;) | |
| 17:39 | oleonard | Thanks francharb |
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| 18:08 | barton | quick zebra question: |
| 18:09 | * mtompset | chokes, "Quick?! Zebra?!" |
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| 18:14 | barton | heh. |
| 18:15 | I've got zebra indexes set up by 'w', 'p' and 's' ... 'w' => keyword, 'p' => phrase, 's' => ??? | |
| 18:16 | spaghetti? stagnation? supercalifragilisticexplaladociousness? | |
| 18:17 | * barton | considers that this is actually something that I'm explaining to a partner ... maybe supercalifragilisticexplaladociousness would work ... |
| 18:18 | barton | wb oleonard. |
| 18:20 | bag | barton how about string |
| 18:21 | barton: http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]diting_record.abs | |
| 18:21 | (:w = Word, :p = Phrase, :s = String, :n = Number, default = Phrase) | |
| 18:22 | barton | Hm. I'll have to hit the link to see what the difference between 'Phrase' and 'String' is. |
| 18:22 | I was wondering if it was string, but that seemed redundant. | |
| 18:22 | thanks bag. | |
| 18:23 | I'm still partial to :s = supercalifragilisticexplaladociousness | |
| 18:24 | bag | my first guess would be - that string is exact and phrase isn't as exact. Or maybe phrase is more than one subfield and string is only one subfield? |
| 18:24 | doesn't know | |
| 18:25 | barton | I was going to guess the former... |
| 18:25 | mostly because I hadn't thought of the latter. | |
| 18:26 | zebra: clarity of options eclipsed only by breadth and depth of documentation. | |
| 18:27 | DaSa | It might also be how multiple terms are treated, as a single phrase or as individual terms like by Boolean operators |
| 18:27 | barton | in this case, close is good enough. |
| 18:35 | reiveune | bye |
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| 18:35 | tcohen | bye |
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| 18:57 | * cait | waves |
| 18:59 | tcohen | hi cait |
| 18:59 | cait | hi tcohen :) |
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| 19:27 | chris_n | cait: 8375 looks fine |
| 19:27 | * chris_n | has also signed off on 9854 |
| 19:28 | chris_n | I'll try to get to 12068 before the end of the week |
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| 19:35 | tcohen | @later tell fridolin where is the 3.14.x jenkins run? |
| 19:35 | huginn | tcohen: The operation succeeded. |
| 19:35 | cait | hi chris_n - sorry, totally exhausted right now - i will look up the bugs |
| 19:35 | bug 8375 | |
| 19:35 | wahanui | bug 8375 is surposed to fix something, and it's on the right track, but not sufficiant to make utf-8 work. |
| 19:35 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8375 normal, P5 - low, ---, matted-34813, Signed Off , Common diacritics not shown correctly when exporting batch label to PDF |
| 19:35 | tcohen | i can't reproduce the errors |
| 19:36 | cait | bug 9854 |
| 19:36 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9854 normal, P5 - low, ---, cnighswonger, BLOCKED , Add 'ttf-dejavu*' packages to debian/control file, for label printing (bug 8375) |
| 19:36 | cait | bug 12068 |
| 19:36 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=12068 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, bgkriegel, Needs Signoff , label-create-pdf.pl Add support for RTL languages |
| 19:36 | cait | chris_n++ |
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| 19:41 | oleonard | Bye #koha |
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| 19:53 | tcohen | gotta run, have a nice day #koha |
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| 20:18 | * talljoy | wonders if it's safe to get comfortable or if i'll be booted. |
| 20:22 | talljoy | i'm looking at the perldoc for ModItem and have a question on the use for non public notes. (more item subfields). I'm not understanding the optional fourth paramter description in perldoc. anyone know about this? |
| 20:23 | cait | do you have a link? |
| 20:23 | talljoy | http://perldoc.koha-community.[…]tems.html#ModItem |
| 20:23 | i've used ModItem a lot to update item data. but not for nonpublic notes. and it's high time i learned to do that. | |
| 20:24 | cait | hmm |
| 20:24 | maybe you could look at the code in koha that does it? | |
| 20:25 | it probably needs to know th emarc field | |
| 20:25 | talljoy | that was my next step to see how koha does it |
| 20:25 | it looks like unliked_item_subfields=(x......) with all the 'other' subfields that get stored as xml | |
| 20:31 | WNickC | poor unliked subfields :-( |
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| 20:43 | talljoy | i do most definitely unlike the unlinked ones. heh |
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| 21:51 | cait | ashimema++ # meeting and lal |
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| 22:20 | bag | cait: you around? |
| 22:21 | cait | for a few more mins |
| 22:21 | it's quite late here | |
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| 22:30 | eythian | hi |
| 22:30 | wahanui | salut, eythian |
| 22:37 | bag | heya eythian |
| 22:37 | wahanui | it has been said that eythian is great at jokes. That everyone else misses them isn't his problem. |
| 22:42 | eythian | @later tell cait pianohacker is hoping to have a look at packaging stuff for bug 10486, it probably won't be too difficult. |
| 22:42 | huginn | eythian: The operation succeeded. |
| 22:42 | cait | hi eythian |
| 22:42 | does that mean pianohacker is looking or you are? | |
| 22:42 | *confused* | |
| 22:42 | eythian | he is. |
| 22:43 | cait | ah, so you 2 talked already |
| 22:43 | ? | |
| 22:43 | eythian | yeah |
| 22:43 | about this time yesterday | |
| 22:44 | cait | :) |
| 22:44 | pianohacker++ eythian++ | |
| 22:44 | ah people, don't forget to have the irc meeting... i am going to sleep :) | |
| 22:44 | night :) | |
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