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| Time | Nick | Message |
|---|---|---|
| 00:03 | * dcook | is rather full from breakfast, so naturally...pastry time! |
| 00:03 | dcook | This 20-something metabolism is rad. |
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| 01:18 | kathryn | hi mtompsett , I liked your email :) |
| 01:20 | dcook | ^ |
| 01:38 | kathryn | hi dcook :) |
| 01:38 | dcook | heya kathryn :) |
| 02:54 | wajasu | mtompset: i'm going to put the preliminary patch for zebra facets query on bug 11232 for whoever to play with and comment on. its got commenting warns and lacks some detection. i only tested against marc21 dom icu environment. |
| 02:54 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=11232 new feature, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Retrieve facets from Zebra |
| 02:55 | mtompset | Thank you, kathryn dcook |
| 02:55 | wajasu | it'll take me few minutes to type some test instructions |
| 02:55 | mtompset | okay, wajasu. |
| 02:55 | wajasu | you'll want to use a dev install |
| 02:56 | mtompset | No promises on testing... I'm rather exhausted. |
| 02:56 | dev install from a tarball? | |
| 02:56 | or a git install? | |
| 02:57 | wajasu | i do git clone, with perl MakePerl.pl with dev, dom, icu |
| 02:57 | then make, make install | |
| 02:57 | * dcook | is trying a "make test" at the moment and failing miserably |
| 03:02 | pastebot | "dcook" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "Make test failing :(" (20 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/209 |
| 03:03 | dcook | Any ideas on what my Net::Z3950::ZOOM doesn't seem too happy? |
| 03:04 | wajasu | i think i recall someone talking about a version upgrade |
| 03:05 | eythian | yeah, I'd make sure that library version numbers match, and that the package providing the .so is up to date, and so on. |
| 03:05 | wajasu | or was it Marc::Record or such |
| 03:05 | dcook | Net::Z3950::ZOOM looks up to date :/ |
| 03:05 | I can see ZOOM_query_sortby2 poking out in the .so | |
| 03:06 | The .so looks like it comes with Net::Z3950::ZOOM as well. At least it's nestled under it in the dir structure | |
| 03:07 | I figure there must be a mismatch somewhere but darned if I know where.. | |
| 03:07 | wajasu: The Marc::Record thing was for the "big records" | |
| 03:07 | eythian | you're making assumptions, it's best not to do that. |
| 03:07 | dcook | Agreed, although I'm not entirely sure how to test that assumption |
| 03:08 | eythian | dpkg -S? |
| 03:08 | dcook | Non-Debian system :( |
| 03:08 | eythian | also try reinstalling it. |
| 03:08 | ah | |
| 03:08 | * dcook | reaches out longingly for his Debian system at home |
| 03:08 | eythian | then I know not much about it. |
| 03:09 | dcook | I'll try those ideas in an y case, eythian :) |
| 03:09 | Thanks | |
| 03:10 | Reinstall and check out the source coming in.. | |
| 03:13 | eythian: Good call on reinstalling | |
| 03:13 | It's the same module, but maybe the build went wrong the first time.. | |
| 03:14 | eythian | could be, yeah. If it's a compiled from cpan thing, then it's possible a library had changed somewhere. |
| 03:14 | They should be binary compatible, but maybe aren't always. | |
| 03:15 | dcook | No idea :/. But yay for working! |
| 03:16 | * dcook | says very sophisticatedly |
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| 04:10 | wajasu | so there. i did something. bug 11232. maybe folks can see if thats a doable stratgey that be rolled out. |
| 04:10 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=11232 new feature, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, ASSIGNED , Retrieve facets from Zebra |
| 04:11 | wajasu | i changed it to assigned, maybe it should be needs signoff, but it will need followups. |
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| 04:17 | mtompset | boot up the unimarc VM, get it up to date. :) |
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| 04:47 | mtompset | how do I compare a 3.12.x version of a file against a 3.14.x version of a file? Is there a nice git command for that? |
| 04:49 | got it. :) | |
| 04:57 | eythian | now share for the channel |
| 04:57 | (it's something I do so rarely that I have to look it up each time.) | |
| 04:58 | wizzyrea | isnt it like git diff commitid commitid or something |
| 04:59 | eythian | Well, I think it's commitid:path/to/file or something |
| 04:59 | mtompset | Let's say I'm on 3.14.x ... git diff origin/3.12.x -- filename |
| 04:59 | wizzyrea | oh yea probably |
| 04:59 | there you go | |
| 05:00 | mtompset | dcook: It's all your fault. :P |
| 05:00 | dcook | Hmm? |
| 05:00 | mtompset | bug 10893 |
| 05:00 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10893 normal, P5 - low, ---, mathsabypro, Patch doesn't apply , Location facet not working in UNIMARC |
| 05:00 | dcook | Oh, very possibly. |
| 05:00 | mtompset | It's all your fault. Bug 10078 |
| 05:00 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10078 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, dcook, Pushed to Master , show location facet for all |
| 05:01 | mtompset | I'm rebasing it accordingly. |
| 05:01 | dcook | You're a peculiar one, mtompset. |
| 05:01 | I think there are probably some issues with that patch though yeah | |
| 05:01 | mtompset | Actually... the patch just changes 995$c to 995$e. |
| 05:01 | which is correct, as far as I can tell, for Locations. | |
| 05:02 | dcook | Actually, I might be thinking of something else.. |
| 05:02 | I was thinking of something locally :p | |
| 05:03 | mtompset: I just copied what was already there | |
| 05:03 | mtompset | Yes, but by moving the code, you triggered the patch failure. :P |
| 05:03 | dcook | ... |
| 05:03 | You're a peculiar one, mtompset. | |
| 05:04 | Good one on these instructions though: http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]a_on_ubuntu_-_git | |
| 05:04 | mtompset | I try to keep the bar low for new developers. |
| 05:04 | dcook | Well, I mostly followed them...for a non-Debian/Ubuntu system |
| 05:04 | Excuse me? | |
| 05:05 | mtompset | sometimes the instructions on the wiki are written by programmers who forget to be explicit about intermediate steps. |
| 05:06 | Glad they were helpful in getting a non-debian-based system functional. | |
| 05:06 | dcook | They certainly seem comprehensive :). I think a few parts might be questionable, but it's nice having everything laid out. |
| 05:07 | mtompset | which parts? I'm open to revising accordingly. |
| 05:07 | Remember, I am trying to keep it at a git for dummies type level. | |
| 05:08 | dcook | "Do not install extra packages during Ubuntu installation. Apache2 and MySQL will be installed in the instructions later." |
| 05:08 | You might want to mention explicitly later in the instructions when they're added | |
| 05:09 | mtompset | Well, remember, if you are a developer, you might do strange things like not use a local MySQL. |
| 05:09 | dcook | Not if you're a dummy though, right? :p |
| 05:09 | mtompset | True. |
| 05:10 | But I can't write instructions for dummies that are totally insulting to non-dummies. | |
| 05:10 | It's a comment to keep installation minimal. | |
| 05:10 | dcook | Then maybe just tweak that line? |
| 05:10 | mtompset | because less is more in a server context. |
| 05:10 | dcook | Anyway, it was just a suggestion |
| 05:10 | mtompset | I think it is a fair one. |
| 05:11 | dcook | As for the being totally insulting to non-dummies, that ones always a good one to keep in mind as well |
| 05:11 | Well, actually, not being insulting in general is usually pretty good | |
| 05:12 | To that effect, I hope I wasn't insulting with my comment about being peculiar earlier. I should re-phrase that. I find your humour just to be different than what I'm used to. | |
| 05:17 | mtompset | No, I didn't take it as insulting. And I was being over the top in my blame as a type of humor. I'm glad you got it. |
| 05:18 | Well, non-dummies tend to get bored by such explicit instructions. "Of course I know that!" | |
| 05:19 | dcook | True true |
| 05:21 | mtompset | I tweaked it, as per your suggestion. |
| 05:21 | dcook | Cool :). I think that makes sense. |
| 05:23 | Actually, now that I think about it, it might be worth adding a link to the "gitify" repo as well. | |
| 05:23 | That's even easier | |
| 05:24 | As an alternative that is | |
| 05:34 | mtompset | There is no gitify wiki page. |
| 05:34 | wizzyrea | github.com/mkfifo |
| 05:34 | mtompset | I would think there should be, and the git page could put a reference to it. |
| 05:35 | paxed | which is the one i should edit, C4/Calendar.pm or Koha/Calendar.pm? |
| 05:35 | wizzyrea | the docs that come with gitify should be decent |
| 05:36 | mtompset | They look pretty good. I haven't had a chance to try them to suggest improvements. |
| 05:36 | dcook | mtompset: Perhaps something like "Alternatively, you can use koha-gitify (github.comm/mkfifo) with a package install instance." |
| 05:37 | wizzyrea | https://github.com/mkfifo/koha-gitify |
| 05:37 | is the whole path | |
| 05:40 | it's github, you can just fork it, make a patch, and issue a pull request | |
| 05:40 | ) | |
| 05:40 | ;) | |
| 05:40 | ezpz | |
| 05:41 | mtompset | wizzyrea: One comment. There's a handy dandy box missing on the "echo deb..." |
| 05:41 | wizzyrea | see above |
| 05:41 | it's github, you can just fork it, make a patch, and issue a pull request :) | |
| 05:43 | mtompset | That would require me doing something instead of going to bed. :P |
| 05:43 | I have a bad cold and it is 1:43AM here. :) | |
| 05:43 | wizzyrea | haha well you should go to bed. that's alright I'll take credit for your idea |
| 05:44 | mtompset | I have no problem with that. If the community wins, I win. :) |
| 05:44 | Have a great day (24 hour period), #koha wizzyrea dcook paxed | |
| 05:45 | paxed | ... i was kinda hoping to get an answer ... |
| 05:48 | wizzyrea | what are you working on? |
| 05:48 | paxed | looking at bug 8735 |
| 05:49 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8735 minor, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Failed QA , Expire holds waiting only on days the library is open |
| 05:49 | wizzyrea | koha::calendar I'd reckon |
| 05:49 | because of the 2nd attachment "switch from c4::calendar to koha::calendar" | |
| 05:50 | paxed | which is the one i _should_ use preferably, assuming i were to write my own stuff? |
| 05:50 | wizzyrea | and the problem there is that he hasn't provided unit tests, afaict. |
| 05:50 | yep | |
| 05:51 | paxed | C4/Calendar or Koha/Calendar? |
| 05:51 | wizzyrea | koha::calendar |
| 05:51 | paxed | so, C4/Calendar is being deprecated? |
| 05:51 | wizzyrea | as far as I know yes |
| 05:51 | everything you add in Koha/ has to have unit tests, just so you know. | |
| 05:52 | well everything in C4 and Koha now, I guess | |
| 05:52 | paxed | so, having the calendar module twice is just due to hysterical raisins? |
| 05:53 | wizzyrea | pretty sure that everything is eventually going to be moved to Koha |
| 05:53 | paxed | ok. |
| 05:53 | wizzyrea | maybe someone else knows differently |
| 06:25 | * magnuse | waves |
| 06:28 | reckons the long term goal is to move everything from C4:: to Koha::, with the stricter rules that apply to Koha:: | |
| 06:31 | wizzyrea | yeah that was my impression |
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| 06:45 | reiveune | hello |
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| 06:57 | alex_a | bonjour |
| 06:58 | magnuse | bonjour france |
| 07:05 | * magnuse | is terrible at names and perpetually confused by the debian version names |
| 07:08 | dcook | Toy Story! |
| 07:09 | I think.. | |
| 07:10 | magnuse | yeah, but i havn't even seen the movie... |
| 07:10 | i heard there is a toy in the movie called "buggy", but the debian folks have no plans to use that name... :-) | |
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| 07:19 | magnuse | hiya kivilahtio |
| 07:19 | ...and kivilahtio_ | |
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| 07:35 | * cait | waves |
| 07:36 | sophie_m | hello |
| 07:36 | wahanui | hey, sophie_m |
| 07:42 | * magnuse | waves to cait and sophie_m |
| 07:42 | sophie_m | hello magnuse |
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| 08:30 | kivilahtio_ | hiya magnuse |
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| 08:36 | fridolin | hie all |
| 08:36 | I've updated my test to master (3.15.00.027) and my OPAC is broken. Do you have it also ? | |
| 08:37 | I get : Template process failed: file error - cssinclude: not found at /home/koha/src/C4/Templates.pm line 132. | |
| 08:38 | Ooo | |
| 08:38 | sorry, my fault : i removed the translated templates | |
| 08:44 | kivilahtio_ | Does anyone know what does reservations.expirationdate do? |
| 08:44 | when is it populated? | |
| 08:44 | what does it expire? | |
| 08:45 | hi there fridolin! | |
| 08:45 | fridolin | hi kivilahtio_ |
| 08:45 | kivilahtio_ | how was your holiday? |
| 08:45 | fridolin | super cool |
| 08:45 | kivilahtio_ | good to hear :) |
| 08:45 | fridolin | went to spain and belgium |
| 08:45 | kivilahtio_ | wow |
| 08:46 | with family? | |
| 08:46 | fridolin | one day we add lunch at 4pm and the other we add diner at 6pm |
| 08:46 | kivilahtio_ | :) |
| 08:46 | happy to hear you were busy! | |
| 08:47 | fridolin | I've seen your mail, but i do not get the all point |
| 08:47 | kivilahtio_ | haha |
| 08:47 | no ownder | |
| 08:47 | fridolin | do you have a moment to explain it to me ? |
| 08:47 | kivilahtio_ | no wonder |
| 08:47 | sure | |
| 08:59 | cait | kivilahtio_: i think it's an optional field you can set when placing a hold |
| 08:59 | something like: I won't need this after... | |
| 09:00 | i am not sure if there is a cronjob to clean out those, might be, i Haven't looked into it yet | |
| 09:00 | kivilahtio_: but you might want to check what I said :) | |
| 09:02 | kivilahtio_ | ok |
| 09:02 | It is just hard to find the expiredate use cases, since it looks like some of that might be hidden under dbi::x | |
| 09:02 | or whatever that monster was :) | |
| 09:03 | magnuse | dbix::class aka dbic, probably? :-) |
| 09:04 | kivilahtio_ | it was so easy to just search for database column in Koha :( |
| 09:12 | cait | kivilahtio_: hm not sure there is dbic for htat yet |
| 09:12 | what is the difference no in searching? | |
| 09:12 | i mean so far we don't use dbix much (sadly) | |
| 09:13 | maybe i am just confused | |
| 09:15 | kivilahtio_: i found this in kohastructure: `expirationdate` DATE DEFAULT NULL, -- the date the hold expires (usually the date entered by the patron to say they don't need the hold after a certain date) | |
| 09:20 | kivilahtio_: bug 1532 | |
| 09:20 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=1532 blocker, PATCH-Sent (DO NOT USE), ---, gmcharlt, CLOSED FIXED, Port dev_week holds enhancements to 3.0 |
| 09:20 | cait | kivilahtio_: looks like quite old code, probably worth testing if it works like it should |
| 09:23 | sophie_m | kivilahtio_: misc/cronjobs/holds/cancel_expired_holds.pl |
| 09:25 | cait | :) |
| 09:26 | kivilahtio_ | sophie_m: but I cannot get the expireddate column to tpopulate? |
| 09:27 | I am migrating our holds, and some holds are already expired, but I would like to have koha print the report | |
| 09:27 | so i need to figure out how koha knows what reservations are expired | |
| 09:28 | but that has nothing to do with expirydate i think | |
| 09:28 | thanks for the help ! | |
| 09:28 | cait | kivilahtio_: i think you have to set it in hte interface |
| 09:29 | kivilahtio_ | cait: yeah it looks like that |
| 09:29 | cait | kivilahtio_: and for waiting holds it calculates from the waitingdate i think |
| 09:29 | sophie_m | kivilahtio_: most of the time it is calculated by koha. Column is only populated when you explicitly ask for expiration date on hold |
| 09:29 | kivilahtio_ | sophie_m: thanks yous! |
| 09:29 | * cait | agrees with sophie_m |
| 09:30 | kivilahtio_ | cait: ah yeah, I need to set the waiting date, but I fear our legacy system doesnt have a matching column :) |
| 09:30 | cait | waitingdate is only for those on the holds shelf |
| 09:30 | sophie_m | there is also a syspref i think |
| 09:30 | cait | waiting to be picked up, so should not be so many - maybe just set it to a hardcoded date? giving the patrons a few days to pickup? |
| 09:30 | kivilahtio_ | yeah holdsexpired |
| 09:30 | yeah holdsexpired... | |
| 09:31 | ok. Ill figure it out now that I know the role of expireddate | |
| 09:35 | cait | @wunder Upfingen |
| 09:35 | huginn | cait: Error: No such location could be found. |
| 09:35 | cait | @wunder reutlingen |
| 09:35 | huginn | cait: The current temperature in Reutlingen, Germany is 12.9°C (11:35 AM CEST on April 09, 2014). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 25%. Dew Point: 0.0°C. Pressure: 30.30 in 1026 hPa (Steady). |
| 09:36 | cait | @wunder München |
| 09:36 | huginn | cait: Error: No such location could be found. |
| 09:36 | cait | @wunder Munich |
| 09:36 | huginn | cait: Error: No such location could be found. |
| 09:36 | cait | hm |
| 09:38 | magnuse | @wunder boo |
| 09:38 | huginn | magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 5.0°C (11:20 AM CEST on April 09, 2014). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 49%. Dew Point: -5.0°C. Windchill: -1.0°C. Pressure: 29.92 in 1013 hPa (Steady). |
| 09:55 | cait | i wonder if I could persuade someone to sign off on a few patches... |
| 09:55 | like 8375 | |
| 09:55 | bug 8375 | |
| 09:55 | wahanui | bug 8375 is surposed to fix something, and it's on the right track, but not sufficiant to make utf-8 work. |
| 09:55 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8375 normal, P5 - low, ---, matted-34813, Needs Signoff , Common diacritics not shown correctly when exporting batch label to PDF |
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| 10:08 | * khan | slaps BobB around a bit with a large fishbot |
| 10:11 | cait | khan: please don't slap people |
| 10:11 | khan | Sorry |
| 10:12 | cait | it's ok |
| 10:12 | khan | It's my first time here |
| 10:13 | Can you please let me know the URL of phpmyadmin in KOHA 3.12 | |
| 10:15 | cait | hm |
| 10:15 | phpmyadmin is not part of Koha | |
| 10:16 | khan | cait: you there? |
| 10:16 | cait | it's a separate program some people use to access the mysql db Koha uses |
| 10:16 | what are you trying to do? | |
| 10:18 | khan | i just want to access the mysql database |
| 10:20 | cait | if you have koha locally instaleld |
| 10:20 | you can also do it from command line or use a graphical tool like mysql workbench | |
| 10:20 | well also if you have installed it somewhere else | |
| 10:20 | phpmyadmin is justone option | |
| 10:20 | khan | i have it locally |
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| 10:28 | khan | cait: i really need some help |
| 10:28 | cait | it's hard witout knowing waht you are tying to do |
| 10:28 | what do you want to access the database for? | |
| 10:30 | Joubu: around? | |
| 10:32 | khan | why is that a crime? |
| 10:33 | why you are asking that question. | |
| 10:33 | Joubu | cait: more or less :) |
| 10:34 | cait | ah, i am working on the gst bug |
| 10:34 | is it possible that the display on the basket is still confusingly wrong? | |
| 10:34 | khan | great |
| 10:34 | cait | khan: it's not a crime, but i might be able to give better advice by knowing what you are trying to achieve |
| 10:34 | khan | OK |
| 10:34 | sorry | |
| 10:35 | for being rude | |
| 10:35 | Joubu | cait: all is possible with prices calculation... |
| 10:35 | cait | Joubu: very true |
| 10:35 | wahanui | I know. That's why I said it. |
| 10:35 | cait | that makes it so confusing |
| 10:35 | posting a screenshot, one sec | |
| 10:37 | Joubu: i know i am supposed to check the invoice page - and i wlil do that of course | |
| 10:38 | Joubu | cait: why do you want GST=0.1 ? |
| 10:38 | cait | 10% for easier testing |
| 10:38 | not in reality in germany | |
| 10:38 | Joubu | GST = 10 % price |
| 10:39 | cait | hm no i have 0.10 in my gist |
| 10:39 | Joubu | so 9.9/10, no ? |
| 10:39 | cait | yes |
| 10:39 | i'd think that the price including tax should be 10.00 then | |
| 10:39 | if it's 9.90 ecluded the 10% | |
| 10:39 | maybe my calculation is wrong? that's why I am asking... not sure where i am wrong and where Koha is | |
| 10:40 | oooh | |
| 10:40 | you are right | |
| 10:41 | 10% of 10 are 0.10... 9.90 + 10% are 9.90 +.99 so 10.89 | |
| 10:41 | gah. | |
| 10:41 | khan | cait: i am trying to manage a library |
| 10:42 | cait | Joubu: sorry for bothering you, i see now where assumption was wrong |
| 10:42 | :) | |
| 10:42 | khan | cait: this is kind of a assignment for mr |
| 10:42 | me | |
| 10:43 | cait | khan: that's ok, but do you want to just see how the data in the database looks like? are you trying to migrate data? do you just want to see the contents of the tables or do you want to make changes? |
| 10:43 | Joubu | I searched a document I don't find :-/ |
| 10:43 | cait | if you are using linux maybe take a look at tools like mysql workbench? |
| 10:44 | Joubu: the good news then is that what koha displays is right on the page :) | |
| 10:44 | Joubu | cait: ok great :) |
| 10:45 | cait | i will continue testing, hopefully not getting confused by math again :) |
| 10:45 | khan | cait: i want to see and work with it but i can't even see database |
| 10:45 | cait | khan: so you installed Koha - are you able to access the catalog and the staff interface? |
| 10:48 | khan | yes i can create patron library book item |
| 10:48 | cait | so Koha is working, that's good |
| 10:48 | khan | yes |
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| 10:49 | cait | you can create sql reports from within Koha if you want to see the data |
| 10:50 | khan | how? |
| 10:50 | cait | it's in the reports module |
| 10:50 | you can't change the data there, but you can see what's in the tables | |
| 10:51 | khan | got it |
| 10:52 | in 3.10 if i just write aftet172.0.1.1:8080/phpmyadmin i can see the database | |
| 10:52 | cait | hm |
| 10:52 | then someone installed phpmyadmin | |
| 10:53 | it doesn't come with standard koha | |
| 10:53 | it's a separate program | |
| 10:53 | khan | ok |
| 10:53 | cait | maybe with your update that got overwritten |
| 10:53 | khan | how i can do that |
| 10:53 | ? | |
| 10:53 | cait | I have never done it |
| 10:53 | i normally use mysql workbench | |
| 10:53 | as a graphical interface | |
| 10:54 | khan | i was downloding that |
| 10:54 | cait | then you need your database connection data and it should work |
| 10:55 | the plus is that you don't need to change things with apache | |
| 10:55 | like you owuld have with phpmyadmin | |
| 10:56 | khan | great |
| 10:56 | Hey how can i communicate with you without this system | |
| 10:57 | cait | you can also contact people over the mailing lists, but you shouldn't contact me personally |
| 10:58 | khan | ok |
| 11:02 | i was looking for koha live dvd/cd for 3.10 but i couldn't find it any where... | |
| 11:02 | cait | 3.10 is very outdated |
| 11:02 | 3.14 is the current stable version | |
| 11:02 | khan | I have download koha 3.12 live dvd and installed it |
| 11:04 | that's how i am using it | |
| 11:04 | i am not familier with ubuntu or Koha but i really want to learn | |
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| 11:22 | khan | cait: you there? |
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| 11:49 | cait | bg |
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| 12:20 | oleonard | Hi everyone |
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| 12:41 | oleonard | paxed here? |
| 12:41 | paxed | yes? |
| 12:41 | oleonard | Hi paxed, I wondered how Bug 12056 is observable |
| 12:41 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=12056 normal, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Untranslatable strings in calendar |
| 12:42 | paxed | those strings show up when you hover over holiday'd days on the calendar grid |
| 12:43 | oleonard | Got it, thanks! |
| 12:43 | paxed | also bug 12055 |
| 12:43 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=12055 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Typo "holdiay" in calendar |
| 12:44 | oleonard | Working on those now. |
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| 12:49 | oleonard | good morning nengard |
| 12:49 | nengard | morning oleonard |
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| 12:55 | francharb_ | morning |
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| 13:25 | cait | oleonard++ |
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| 13:52 | cait | Joubu: still around? |
| 13:54 | Joubu | cait: yep |
| 13:54 | cait | i am in the final stages of testing the gst bugs (got interrupted before) |
| 13:54 | so i wonder | |
| 13:55 | if the list price and the invoice price are without taxes | |
| 13:55 | does that mean that the library does not have to pay the tax | |
| 13:55 | because we calculate it, but it seems only for display? | |
| 13:56 | Joubu | yes, the columns are all displayed. Which is quite stupid/useless in some cases |
| 13:56 | cait | ok |
| 13:56 | also if you look at the ordered/spent lists for a fund | |
| 13:57 | for example the spent list, that i see now after I received all my baskets | |
| 13:57 | always says 10 - which was my list price | |
| 13:57 | but it should use the actual price I think? | |
| 13:58 | Joubu: sorry if i am confusing | |
| 13:58 | Joubu | i am not sure which one is used on this screen |
| 13:58 | cait | I always thought estimated price = what you think you have to pay |
| 13:59 | actual price = what you really paid | |
| 13:59 | i have actual prices that vary from 9.09 to 11.00 but it still shows always the 10 | |
| 13:59 | this whole tax thing is a black hole | |
| 14:00 | but at least with your patch it seems more consistent | |
| 14:00 | Joubu | cait: it shows 10 on the ordered/spent screens? |
| 14:00 | cait | yeah |
| 14:00 | 10.00 was the list price i used for all 4 orders | |
| 14:00 | when i received the orders, the calculated price it gave me varied, from 9.09 to 11.00 - i am still trying to wrap my mind around it | |
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| 14:02 | cait | Joubu: ordered/spent - whenyou click on the fund on the acq home page |
| 14:02 | Joubu | yep |
| 14:02 | I should have a look at the 2 pages. It seems they don't have changed since a long time | |
| 14:03 | cait | i think so, it's the same for the new fund view tho |
| 14:04 | i mean the amounts match, it just doesn't seem to make sense :( | |
| 14:04 | Joubu | the "new" fund view? |
| 14:04 | cait | the 'newer' :) there is the acquisitions > funds overview |
| 14:04 | and the lists with orders you reach directly from the start page | |
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| 14:05 | cait | maybe part of my problem is bug 10461 |
| 14:05 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10461 major, P5 - low, ---, koha, Needs Signoff , tax not taken in to account in the acq budget summaries |
| 14:06 | Joubu | arf, I forgot this one |
| 14:07 | cait | i think what i see looks like a return of bug 4831 |
| 14:07 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4831 critical, PATCH-Sent (DO NOT USE), ---, srdjan, CLOSED FIXED, Actual Price being ignored after receive |
| 14:07 | Joubu | cait: we (BibLibre) will try to reconsider/rewrite the price/tax calculation in Koha. |
| 14:08 | cait | i think it's not even clear how this all shoudl work... makes it really hard |
| 14:08 | i will run some more tests, sorry for being a pain about this | |
| 14:08 | Joubu | because it is really a nightmare currently, nothing is factorize and the logic is... not logic |
| 14:08 | cait | yeah... |
| 14:08 | centralized logic | |
| 14:09 | also i have the feeling like the estimated prices we calculate are not quite right... | |
| 14:09 | not sure. | |
| 14:09 | Joubu | I really hope to have a simple view, with all different cases, all differents screens. With all values well defined. |
| 14:09 | cait | not sure that will be simple :) |
| 14:09 | but it would be nice | |
| 14:10 | I have the idea that the tax number registered was once used | |
| 14:10 | to determine if the library pays the tax or not | |
| 14:10 | but i am not sure | |
| 14:10 | it seems it should have a function | |
| 14:10 | Joubu | yes, I don't know (at all...) if prices are correctly calculated for the 4 possibles cases |
| 14:10 | cait | yeah, your work calculates correctly for the entered list price |
| 14:11 | which is ok I think so far - i will try to do a bit more testing, but it doesn't look bad | |
| 14:11 | it's just that everything doesn't seem to fit well together, once you look at estimated/actual cost | |
| 14:12 | nightmare. | |
| 14:16 | Joubu: I think that the question of the library having to pay tax or not has to be somehow factored in - and maybe it's the tax number registered.... but I am not sure. Then we would knwo when the tax has to be taken into account for the estimated and the actual cost... | |
| 14:16 | but hm. | |
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| 14:24 | cait | Joubu: the funds view seems correct - i have all 10.00 in the databaes as unitcost - I just don't understand why :( |
| 14:26 | Joubu: just ignore me... | |
| 14:27 | Joubu | unit price ? |
| 14:28 | cait | really, ignore me... I think we need to leave the question about which prices are accounted for in the funds for other bugs |
| 14:28 | Joubu | :) |
| 14:28 | * cait | sends Joubu some cookies and dives back into tax calculation |
| 14:29 | Joubu | no, don't dive again! |
| 14:30 | cait | worried i might drown? :) |
| 14:30 | Joubu | yes! |
| 14:31 | cait | :) |
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| 14:38 | druthb | Throws a Coast Guard Approved flotation device to cait. |
| 14:38 | :P | |
| 14:38 | cait | lol |
| 14:49 | oleonard | Meeting in 10 minutes? |
| 14:49 | cait | I think so |
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| 14:57 | gmcharlt | meeting now in 4 minutes ;) |
| 14:57 | * cait | is ready :) |
| 15:00 | gmcharlt | #startmeeting General meeting, 9 April 2014, part 1 |
| 15:00 | huginn | Meeting started Wed Apr 9 15:00:27 2014 UTC. The chair is gmcharlt. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. |
| 15:00 | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | |
| 15:00 | Topic for #koha is now (Meeting topic: General meeting, 9 April 2014, part 1) | |
| 15:00 | huginn | The meeting name has been set to 'general_meeting__9_april_2014__part_1' |
| 15:00 | gmcharlt | #link http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]ting_9_April_2014 Agenda |
| 15:00 | #topic Introductions | |
| 15:00 | Topic for #koha is now Introductions (Meeting topic: General meeting, 9 April 2014, part 1) | |
| 15:00 | wahanui | #info wahanui, a bot that has become sentient |
| 15:00 | oleonard | #info Owen Leonard, Athens County Public Libraries |
| 15:00 | gmcharlt | #info Galen Charlton, 3.16 RM, Equinox Software, USA |
| 15:01 | cait | #info Katrin Fischer, BSZ, Germany |
| 15:01 | jwagner | #info Jane Wagner, LibLime/PTFS |
| 15:01 | ColinC | #info Colin Campbelll, PTFS Europe Ltd |
| 15:01 | Joubu | #info Jonathan Druart, BibLibre, France |
| 15:01 | thd | #info Thomas Dukleth, Agogme, New York City |
| 15:02 | mduncan | #info Margo Duncan, UT Tyler, USA |
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| 15:03 | slef | #info MJ Ray, software.coop, England |
| 15:03 | peggy | #info Peggy Thrasher, NH USA |
| 15:04 | indradg | #info Indranil Das Gupta, L2C2, India |
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| 15:04 | gmcharlt | thanks |
| 15:05 | I'm going to merge the next few agenda items, thus: | |
| 15:05 | #topic Updates on 3.8, 3.10, 3.12, 3.14, and 3.16 | |
| 15:05 | Topic for #koha is now Updates on 3.8, 3.10, 3.12, 3.14, and 3.16 (Meeting topic: General meeting, 9 April 2014, part 1) | |
| 15:05 | gmcharlt | #topic Updates on 3.8, 3.10, 3.12, 3.14 |
| 15:05 | Topic for #koha is now Updates on 3.8, 3.10, 3.12, 3.14 (Meeting topic: General meeting, 9 April 2014, part 1) | |
| 15:05 | gmcharlt | any RMaints around to give updates? |
| 15:05 | cait | #info today's agenda: http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]ting_9_April_2014 |
| 15:06 | gmcharlt | #info Koha 3.12.12 was released on 24 March 2014 |
| 15:06 | #info Koha 3.14.5 was released on 26 March 2014 | |
| 15:06 | slef | cait++ |
| 15:07 | gmcharlt | ok, guess that's it |
| 15:07 | #topic Update on 3.16 | |
| 15:07 | Topic for #koha is now Update on 3.16 (Meeting topic: General meeting, 9 April 2014, part 1) | |
| 15:07 | gmcharlt | #link http://lists.koha-community.or[…]April/040419.html Release schedule |
| 15:07 | #info Alpha release scheduled for Wednesday, 23 April - RM will clear PQA queue by then | |
| 15:07 | cait | gmcharlt++ |
| 15:08 | gmcharlt | #info Feature freeze scheduled for Monday, 28 April - new features & enhancements must have reached PQA by then to be considered, with leeway giving to the new cataloging editor |
| 15:08 | #info Beta release will be cut on Wednesday, 30 April; soft string freeze starts then as well | |
| 15:09 | #info Firm string freeze starts on Monday, 5 April | |
| 15:09 | #info RC will be cut on Monday, 19 May | |
| 15:09 | #info General release will occur on Thursday, 22 May | |
| 15:09 | slef | PQA is Passed Quality Assurance |
| 15:09 | RC is Release Candidate | |
| 15:09 | gmcharlt | correct |
| 15:09 | slef | gmcharlt: I know, just making sure wahanui is uptodate |
| 15:09 | gmcharlt | ah, gotcha |
| 15:10 | questions for me? | |
| 15:10 | Bruce_ | translations are appreciated |
| 15:10 | gmcharlt | slef++ |
| 15:11 | cait | There are still a lot of things waiting for sign off that would be nice additions to 3.16... and the new cataloguing editor needs testing I think? |
| 15:11 | slef | ok, I'm not seeing stats on the dashboard so I'm grubbing around |
| 15:11 | oh my bad, scroll down | |
| 15:11 | gmcharlt | yep |
| 15:12 | cait | #info 170 needs signoff, 68 signed off currently |
| 15:12 | slef | #info 170+52 needs signoff, 68+21 waiting for QA, 180 failed QA, 36 Patch Does Not Apply |
| 15:12 | cait | slef: 170 is including the 52 :) |
| 15:12 | slef | oh is that "170, 52 of which"? |
| 15:12 | gotcha | |
| 15:13 | #info correction: 170 needs signoff, 68 waiting for QA, 180 failed QA, 36 Patch Does Not Apply | |
| 15:13 | gmcharlt | magnuse: is a GBSD in the works, perchance? |
| 15:13 | slef | Need Signoff needs ad-hoc developers to get off our lazy backsides and do some initial reviewing |
| 15:13 | What's the plan for those 180 and 36? | |
| 15:14 | cait | slef: hoping for someone to gett of their backsides? ;) |
| 15:14 | slef | cait: sure, but the original developers or is it open season? |
| 15:14 | cait | i am not sure there is a plan, we had it down to around a 100 after the hackfest, but it came back up quickly |
| 15:15 | gmcharlt | no |
| 15:15 | perhaps that's a project role to consider: Official Kitten Rescuer | |
| 15:15 | oleonard | I don't see why another dev couldn't fix conflicts if they really wanted to |
| 15:15 | cait | oh sorry, confused the queues |
| 15:16 | gmcharlt | thought at the moment I'm not sure whether we have mroe than a title to offer |
| 15:16 | cait | i was talking about the 170 signed off |
| 15:16 | gmcharlt | yeah, I'm thinking more about the failed QA, not the patch-does-not-apply |
| 15:16 | thd | The time between RC and general release seems very short for testing , although, it may be based on some similar time having been passed and no stopping bugs found. |
| 15:16 | gmcharlt | although there are probably at least a few useful contributions from casual contributors in that status that just need somebody to deal with the merge conflict |
| 15:16 | slef | might be worth RM or similar to declare "I am particularly keen to see the following list fixed by anyone:" |
| 15:17 | gmcharlt | slef: yes, that's a thought I'll take up |
| 15:17 | oleonard | Whatever happened to the patch-applying bot? |
| 15:17 | slef | #idea it might be worth RM or similar to declare "I am particularly keen to see the following list fixed by anyone:" |
| 15:17 | cait | I think someone complained it was turned off |
| 15:17 | gmcharlt | thd: to be clear, extensive testing should being with the beta release, and I'll make an announcement to that effect |
| 15:17 | * slef | wonders if he can declare #idea |
| 15:17 | cait | I'd like to see it back in action actually, and even improved to run qa script and tests automatically |
| 15:17 | gmcharlt | testing of the RC is mostly just to verify that there aren't stupid errors |
| 15:18 | thd | Yes of course. |
| 15:18 | gmcharlt | cait: something to discuss with rangi, I imagine |
| 15:18 | and/or bribe with cookies and chocolate | |
| 15:18 | cait | yeah, but i think having a few votes for starting it again could help persuade him |
| 15:18 | slef | would people prefer me to work on needs signoff or does not apply? |
| 15:19 | gmcharlt | slef: yes, everybody can use #idea |
| 15:19 | oleonard | slef: I would think needs signoff |
| 15:19 | gmcharlt | slef: my preference would be for you to glance at does not apply to see if there are any obvious wins, but to focus on needs signoff |
| 15:19 | cait | slef: I am torn there - i think both have gems |
| 15:19 | Joubu | Are you sure someone test beta versions? |
| 15:20 | cait | Joubu: we can't really force people to - maybe we could reserve a sandbox? |
| 15:20 | slef | Just for context, I think I've up to 7 hours available to get back up to speed on koha-community this month, less the time in this meeting. |
| 15:20 | gmcharlt | Joubu: to be blunt, I'm pretty sure that folks don't in general test as much as we would like them to, but I'll try to encourage people to test the beta |
| 15:21 | cait | to make it easier? but some of the demos arealso running master |
| 15:21 | gmcharlt | but yeah, beta sandboxes would be nice, and highlighting some of the master demos |
| 15:21 | cait | maybe when you write the email - include some links to demos or a setup sandbox? |
| 15:21 | :) | |
| 15:21 | #idea highlight sandboxes and demos running the beta for testers | |
| 15:21 | Joubu | I think the only person to test pre release versions are developpers |
| 15:22 | but maybe I am wrong, I don't know | |
| 15:22 | Bruce_ | Would an additional (funded) sandbox help? |
| 15:22 | gmcharlt | by and large, although I thik most of us have at least a couple customers apiece who are engaged enough to respond to a request to test a beta |
| 15:22 | slef | I'm happy to mail our libraries asking for testing if there's a beta sandbox available. |
| 15:23 | * gmcharlt | will also specifically request beta testing to be done by a couple of our customers who are generally willing to do that sort of thing |
| 15:25 | gmcharlt | OK, time to move on in the agenda |
| 15:25 | #topic Nominations for roles for 3.18 | |
| 15:25 | Topic for #koha is now Nominations for roles for 3.18 (Meeting topic: General meeting, 9 April 2014, part 1) | |
| 15:25 | gmcharlt | #link http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]ki/Roles_for_3.18 Current 3.18 nominations |
| 15:26 | as it stands now, we have candidates for RM and RMaints for the two most recent stable branches | |
| 15:26 | Joubu | slef: all sandboxes listed on http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]ailable_Sandboxes are available |
| 15:26 | gmcharlt | as well as translation manager, doc manager, QA manager, and QA team members |
| 15:26 | so a couple things I'd like to point out | |
| 15:26 | first -- is there interesting in maintaining 3.12 further? | |
| 15:27 | and if so, is there somebody interested in being RMaint for that release? | |
| 15:27 | slef | NAFAIK but I will ask what I think is our last 3.12 library if they're going to agree an upgrade date with us or if they want to fund maintenance ;-) |
| 15:27 | cait | we are still running it... probably for a bit longer... so I would be happy if we got someone |
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| 15:29 | slef | Joubu: Sorry, I've been away. Don't they run master rather than a beta or RC? |
| 15:29 | cait: got any funding? ;-) | |
| 15:29 | gmcharlt | I'm incilned to write an email to koha-devel, then, specifically asking for somebody to step up, or for us to declare EOL of 3.12 |
| 15:29 | (and the same for 3.10 and 3.8, though more likely it would be EOL for those) | |
| 15:29 | Joubu | slef: yes, they run master. |
| 15:30 | gmcharlt | Joubu: is it easy to pin a couple of them to a beta tag when the time comes? |
| 15:30 | cait | slef: shouldn't hurt if they run on master instead of beta - testing master after beta cut would also be helpful |
| 15:30 | Joubu | gmcharlt: yep, we can remove the reset --hard origin/master at midnight :) |
| 15:31 | gmcharlt | cool |
| 15:31 | slef | cait: ok, I bow to you |
| 15:31 | cait | hm? |
| 15:31 | gmcharlt | #action Galen will send a query to koha-devel regarding status of 3.12, 3.10, and 3.8 |
| 15:31 | next thing - a new type of role is being discussed more seriously | |
| 15:32 | specifically, a module maintainer | |
| 15:32 | some discussion about it has occurred here | |
| 15:32 | http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]ule_maintainer_do | |
| 15:32 | #link http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]ule_maintainer_do module maintainer discussion | |
| 15:32 | though I'm inclined to move that over to koha-devel | |
| 15:33 | slef | I'd appreciate that because I rarely have my wiki login handy now we don't have openid |
| 15:34 | Isn't it largely up to the RM to organise the team as he wants, though? | |
| 15:34 | gmcharlt | I think the developing consensus so far as that MMs are folks who take responsibility for certain areas, have the authority (in conjunction with the RM) to push to master for those areas, but do not bypass the review and QA requirements |
| 15:34 | slef | he/she/it |
| 15:34 | * slef | leaves the option of wahanui as RM open |
| 15:34 | gmcharlt | slef: yes, I think RM oversight is key -- specifically, an RM should have the right to tell an MM to back off or switch to using pull rqeuests rather than pushing directly |
| 15:35 | cait | +1 |
| 15:35 | gmcharlt | but overall, I think the MM concept has value, *provided* that it doesn't become an excuse to bypass QA |
| 15:35 | oleonard | How would the process be different between MM and standard QA workflow? |
| 15:36 | cait | the MM can also work on patches in PQA |
| 15:36 | so hopefully taking some of the weight from the RM - that's how i understand | |
| 15:36 | gmcharlt | right |
| 15:37 | to restate another way | |
| 15:37 | patch passes QA | |
| 15:37 | old behavior: only the RM can review and push it | |
| 15:37 | new behavior: the RM can review and push it, or the relevant MM can review and push it, but MM and RM must communicate | |
| 15:37 | in addition, I think it would be good for MMs to actively manage pre-QA patches | |
| 15:38 | e.g., rescue failed-QA patches, do code cleanup, and the like | |
| 15:39 | #action Galen will move the MM discussion to koha-devel | |
| 15:39 | a quick straw poll | |
| 15:39 | +1/0/-1 on the general idea of having module maintainers? | |
| 15:39 | Bruce_ | +1 |
| 15:39 | cait | +1 |
| 15:39 | ColinC | +1 |
| 15:39 | Joubu | +1 |
| 15:39 | oleonard | +1 |
| 15:39 | jwagner | +1 |
| 15:39 | peggy | +1 |
| 15:39 | slef | 0 |
| 15:40 | thd | +1 |
| 15:40 | gmcharlt | OK, the final topic relating to project roles... when/how do we want to hold the formal elecctions? |
| 15:41 | * cait | suggests a date next week - only topic elections? |
| 15:41 | gmcharlt | I don't think today is really an option given (a) lack of notice and (b) the potential need for at least one more RMaint |
| 15:41 | cait: sounds reasonable to me | |
| 15:42 | Joubu | Maybe should we wait for Tomas? |
| 15:42 | thd | However, we have in the past filled seats for which there were candidates on the designated day. |
| 15:43 | gmcharlt | do we know when tcohen will be back? |
| 15:43 | cait | I am not sure when he returns - but I think we have voted for people not being present in the past. And the situation didn't change since he left |
| 15:43 | no other candidate | |
| 15:43 | quite sure he told me, but I can't remember :( | |
| 15:43 | gmcharlt | right |
| 15:43 | Bruce_ | Does anyone expect another candidate to appear in the next week? |
| 15:43 | ColinC | ls -al |
| 15:44 | Joubu | he left for 3 weeks I think |
| 15:44 | gmcharlt | I don't see that we have any contested elections; I think it's just a matter of formalizing the selection |
| 15:46 | Joubu | It could be great to know how he defines a MM |
| 15:47 | gmcharlt | agreed, he should weight in |
| 15:47 | *weigh in | |
| 15:47 | reiveune | bye |
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| 15:47 | gmcharlt | regardless, I think part of that can be deferred, as the MMs don't need to be in place right away |
| 15:47 | so to that idea, I propose that we hold an IRC meeting next Wednesday to vote | |
| 15:48 | alternatively, we could just do an email thread | |
| 15:48 | what do folks prefer? | |
| 15:49 | cait | I think i have a slight preference for irc - but that might just be me :) |
| 15:49 | Bruce_ | I'm hearing a great roar of indifference. |
| 15:49 | gmcharlt | indeed |
| 15:50 | slef | either is OK with me |
| 15:50 | gmcharlt | actually, I have a thought on how to be more efficent |
| 15:50 | druthb | http://gaspull.geeksaresexytec[…]/Grey-Lantern.jpg |
| 15:50 | gmcharlt | to wit: schedule the next dev meeting for Wednesday the 23rd |
| 15:50 | with the two-part schedule, and as a (small) agenda item, hold the vote then | |
| 15:50 | peggy | Sounds good |
| 15:51 | Bruce_ | +1 |
| 15:51 | cait | +1 |
| 15:51 | gmcharlt | +1 |
| 15:51 | #agreed (pending confirmation) the next dev meeting will be scheduled for 23 April. Project roles for 3.18 will be voted on then. | |
| 15:52 | moving on | |
| 15:52 | #topic KohaCon 14 update | |
| 15:52 | Topic for #koha is now KohaCon 14 update (Meeting topic: General meeting, 9 April 2014, part 1) | |
| 15:52 | thd | +1 |
| 15:52 | gmcharlt | which I think will be short since neither tcohen or bgkriegel are here |
| 15:52 | so | |
| 15:53 | #topic KohaCon 15 | |
| 15:53 | Topic for #koha is now KohaCon 15 (Meeting topic: General meeting, 9 April 2014, part 1) | |
| 15:53 | gmcharlt | it's probably time to start the site selection process |
| 15:53 | do we have a volunteer to kick it of? | |
| 15:53 | *off | |
| 15:54 | thd | What does "kicking off" entail? |
| 15:55 | gmcharlt | thd: at least initially, sending an email to the list soliciting bids, and managing the wiki pages related to site selection |
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| 15:56 | gmcharlt | OK - I'll ask again at the second part of the meeting |
| 15:56 | thd | s done by next month, then I volunteer, but unfortunately I am severely overcommitted this month. |
| 15:57 | gmcharlt | and bug people via email if no volunteer shows up (thd, we'll keep your offer in mind) |
| 15:57 | OK, we've set a date for the enxt developer meeting | |
| 15:57 | so | |
| 15:57 | #topic Set time and date of the next General IRC meeting | |
| 15:57 | Topic for #koha is now Set time and date of the next General IRC meeting (Meeting topic: General meeting, 9 April 2014, part 1) | |
| 15:57 | thd | gremlins swallowed some of my words there. |
| 15:57 | gmcharlt | how does 7 May soudn to folks? |
| 15:58 | cait | ok for me |
| 15:58 | thd | What hours? |
| 15:58 | oleonard | Same two times? |
| 15:59 | cait | ü1 |
| 15:59 | +1 | |
| 15:59 | peggy | +1 |
| 15:59 | Bruce_ | -1 |
| 15:59 | gmcharlt | oleonard: indeed - I'm proposing 15:00 UTC and 21:00 UTC |
| 15:59 | thd | +1 |
| 15:59 | oleonard | +1 |
| 15:59 | cait | Bruce_: just interested - you don't want the plit meetings are are both times inconvenient? |
| 16:00 | gmcharlt | or is it the date? |
| 16:00 | cait | :) |
| 16:00 | Bruce_ | Sorry, wrong fingers. Make that a 0. |
| 16:00 | My calendar just books up more than a month ahead. | |
| 16:00 | slef | +1 |
| 16:01 | gmcharlt | #agreed (pending confirmation) the next general meeting will be on 7 May at 15:00 / 21:00 UTC |
| 16:01 | thd | Bruce_: as a future guide there has been a preference for the first or early Wednesday in a month. |
| 16:01 | gmcharlt | any last minute topics? |
| 16:02 | Bruce_ | I'll try to clear first Wednesdays then. |
| 16:02 | Joubu | gmcharlt: yep |
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| 16:02 | gmcharlt | Joubu: go for it |
| 16:02 | Joubu | does someone copied the 2 "AGREED" from last meeting? |
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| 16:02 | Joubu | the paste is not accessible anymore :-/ |
| 16:02 | http://meetings.koha-community[…]-03-12-21.25.html | |
| 16:02 | 3d, 3e | |
| 16:03 | gmcharlt | Joubu: ah |
| 16:03 | I'll see if I can recover them | |
| 16:03 | Joubu | k thanks. Maybe should we put them on the wiki |
| 16:03 | gmcharlt | agreed |
| 16:04 | thanks, everybody | |
| 16:04 | #endmeeting | |
| 16:04 | Topic for #koha is now Next general meeting is 9 April 2014 at 15:00 and 21:00 UTC. Welcome to the IRC home of Koha http://koha-community.org. Please use http://paste.koha-community.org for pastes. | |
| 16:04 | huginn | Meeting ended Wed Apr 9 16:04:48 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) |
| 16:04 | Minutes: http://meetings.koha-community[…]-04-09-15.00.html | |
| 16:04 | Minutes (text): http://meetings.koha-community[…]4-04-09-15.00.txt | |
| 16:04 | Log: http://meetings.koha-community[…]09-15.00.log.html | |
| 16:04 | cait | gmcharlt++ |
| 16:05 | wajasu | is there a place that shows the current roles(RM, Qa, MM, etc) . or maybe a bot command that could list them? |
| 16:05 | cait | check roles 3.16 on the wiki |
| 16:05 | wajasu | ok |
| 16:05 | peggy | Thanks! |
| 16:05 | cait | http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]ki/Roles_for_3.16 |
| 16:09 | bbl | |
| 16:14 | fridolin | see you, have a nice evening |
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| 16:38 | cait_afk | back |
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| 16:43 | rhcl | @wunder 64507 |
| 16:43 | huginn | rhcl: The current temperature in Wyatt Park, St Joseph, Missouri is 19.1°C (11:43 AM CDT on April 09, 2014). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 30%. Dew Point: 1.0°C. Pressure: 30.04 in 1017 hPa (Falling). |
| 17:04 | slef | #8375 |
| 17:04 | bug 8375 | |
| 17:04 | wahanui | i heard bug 8375 was surposed to fix something, and it's on the right track, but not sufficiant to make utf-8 work. |
| 17:04 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8375 normal, P5 - low, ---, matted-34813, Needs Signoff , Common diacritics not shown correctly when exporting batch label to PDF |
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| 17:07 | mtompset | I have a question about typographical mistakes in a template. If there is a typo in the english template, and there are a lot of translated templates that use that typo. How do the translated templates get fixed? Do they each have to be fixed manually to correct the bad msgstrid (or whatever it is)? |
| 17:08 | slef | mtompset: in other projects, the tools help but the translators still have to confirm that their translated string didn't change. |
| 17:08 | mtompset | So, you don't have to fix the po files, when you correct a typo? |
| 17:08 | oleonard | mtompset: When the English templates are updated the po file gets updated, and new strings get classified as needing translation |
| 17:09 | Specifically, the po file gets updated after string freeze during the release process | |
| 17:09 | mtompset | Because I'd generally assume that translator's would catch the typo and put the correct translation, and that fixing the id string would be okay. |
| 17:11 | oleonard | If a string is changed or added, the po file shows it as a new (or possibly fuzzy) string which requires translator attention. |
| 17:13 | mtompset | Okay... ignore the po files, leave it to the translators. :) |
| 17:14 | oleonard | Right. We don't update the po files as we go. |
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| 17:17 | Brooke | o/ |
| 17:21 | oleonard | mtompset: Bug 12055 is assigned to me because I have a fix in for it as part of another patch |
| 17:21 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=12055 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED , Typo "holdiay" in calendar |
| 17:21 | cait | :) |
| 17:21 | mtompset | Ah. Okay. |
| 17:22 | reference? | |
| 17:25 | paxed | bug 12056 |
| 17:25 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=12056 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Needs Signoff , Untranslatable strings in calendar |
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| 17:45 | mtompset | oleonard: Why did you remove the name="cancel2"? |
| 17:45 | oleonard | it does not provide functionality and it is invalid markup |
| 17:47 | mtompset | granted no functionality, but invalid markup? http://www.w3.org/TR/html401/s[…]links.html#edef-A -- There is a name attribute. |
| 17:48 | oleonard | In HTML 4, yes. Not in HTML 5 |
| 17:48 | mtompset | Oops... wrong standard. |
| 17:51 | oleonard: How did you decide between 1st vs. 1 use? | |
| 17:52 | oleonard | There were instances of 1st and 10st. I thought it was easier to just drop the st rather than correct it |
| 17:52 | mtompset | Oh, I was wondering about line 349. |
| 17:53 | you changed a 1st to a 1, but I saw you add st in another case. | |
| 17:53 | oleonard | Not intentionally |
| 17:54 | mtompset | Let me recheck... maybe I read the wrong side... |
| 17:55 | I misread. Sorry. | |
| 18:00 | Okay. Eyeballs well. :) | |
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| 18:15 | rocio | can somebody help me with a patron messaging preferences question? it's my understanding that in the patron categories, Email has to be checked in order for Digest to be checked as well. is this correct? and once both are checked, patrons will only receive the digest version of the email? |
| 18:18 | cait | rocio: yes,but only for new patrons |
| 18:18 | it never changes settings for existing patrons | |
| 18:19 | rocio | ah! I see! |
| 18:19 | thank you very much cait :) | |
| 18:19 | cait | sure, hope it helps :) |
| 18:20 | rocio | I have a script that will update the message prefs, but couldn't get the Digest preference to actually stick! yes, this is very helpful! |
| 18:36 | cait | :) |
| 18:41 | bag | @cait++ |
| 18:41 | huginn | bag: I've exhausted my database of quotes |
| 18:41 | bag | cait++ |
| 18:50 | mtompset | I think you may use twitter too much, bag. ;) |
| 18:52 | oleonard: Since we care about markup standards, I figured I'd validate the tools/holidays page while testing 12056. I found markup issues in header.inc as well. Care to test bug 12060? :) | |
| 18:52 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=12060 normal, P5 - low, ---, mtompset, Needs Signoff , Indentation issues allow markup errors in header.inc |
| 18:52 | oleonard | Sure. Those errors have been around for a while and I keep pointedly ignoring them ;) |
| 18:53 | mtompset | don't tell me... you have a patch for that already elsewhere? |
| 18:54 | * cait | thinks oleonard has a patch for everything |
| 18:54 | cait | :) |
| 18:54 | * mtompset | nods. |
| 18:54 | oleonard | Maybe in my head, but not in reality |
| 18:56 | mtompset | This reminds me of "the god chip" discussions I used to have in the computer science club. You could either have all knowledge statically accessible and deliverable instantly or you could have one which is able to solve the problem instantly and deliver the answer instantly. Both cases look identical, but the implementations are different. |
| 18:57 | I think oleonard is admitting to the latter design. ;) | |
| 18:58 | oleonard | If that were true my git repo wouldn't have so many languishing unfinished branches |
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| 18:59 | mtompset | Still the perception may be the same. ;) |
| 19:00 | oleonard | header.inc is interesting in that it offers logic for what to display if you are not logged in but that case never executes. |
| 19:10 | mtompset | Yes, but I was only concerned about the /li and /div tags. |
| 19:31 | oleonard | mtompset: If you are interested in testing templates for validity I recommend the Html Validator plugin for Firefox (http://users.skynet.be/mgueury/mozilla/) |
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| 19:34 | mtompset | Giving the addon a whirl, oleonard. :) |
| 19:36 | Nice... saves the whole cut and pasting step. :) | |
| 19:42 | oleonard: which you had told me about this BEFORE I tested my changes the hard way. :P | |
| 19:42 | ^which^wish^ | |
| 19:42 | Thanks for the sign off. | |
| 19:42 | Almost done a sign off for 12056. | |
| 19:44 | * cait | installs a new plugin :) |
| 19:46 | mtompset | Wow. I feel like I'm harassing oleonard today with questions and requests. |
| 19:47 | cait | and you try to get my queue over 70 again! |
| 19:47 | but i am still fighting! :) | |
| 19:47 | mtompset | oleonard: What do you think of bug 12046? -- It essentially increases the size of the login modal for bootstrap. |
| 19:47 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=12046 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Passed QA , Authentication using CAS - bootstrap |
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| 19:49 | oleonard | mtompset: I haven't looked at it carefully. If you're really concerned about it you could put it "In discussion" in order to delay it from getting pushed. I can't look at it today. |
| 19:50 | cait | hm not sure of it's worth delaying - it's a real problem for CAS users |
| 19:50 | and the design could still be improved later | |
| 19:50 | mtompset | I already noted my concern. |
| 19:50 | oleonard | That was my thought as well cait based on what I saw |
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| 19:51 | cait | i think it's unlikely that you will have more than 1/2 authentication methods used at a time |
| 19:51 | mtompset | I'm not going to delay something that does what it says it is intended to do and solves an immediate problem. |
| 19:51 | cait | so the size of the modal doesn't bother me too much right now |
| 19:53 | mtompset: why the calendar page for the header change? | |
| 19:53 | isn't htat used on all pages? | |
| 19:53 | mtompset | It is. I just checked on the calendar page, because that is where I encountered it. |
| 19:54 | oleonard | cait: But you might encounter different validation problems on other pages, so at least the test plan is specific. |
| 19:54 | cait | true :) |
| 19:54 | was just wondering if I missed something | |
| 19:54 | i am about to pass it :) | |
| 19:54 | mtompset | Thanks, cait. :) |
| 19:56 | cait | next time maybe 2 patces? one whitespace and one the changes? |
| 19:56 | :) | |
| 19:56 | oleonard | I disagree |
| 19:57 | I use the -w flag with git diff | |
| 19:57 | cait | i did that as well |
| 19:57 | but when you look at it later in the git repo or on bugzilla it's much harder to tell | |
| 19:58 | but that's an old argument, i think there are valid points to both sides :) and it's pqa | |
| 19:58 | thx for fixing the list permission bug | |
| 19:59 | * oleonard | didn't like being on the list of "patch doesn't apply" people mentioned during the meeting ;) |
| 20:00 | cait | heh |
| 20:01 | oh one more hour to the next | |
| 20:01 | oleonard: the fixing it include doing less compiling? I am never quite sure right now | |
| 20:01 | did fixing it... | |
| 20:01 | oleonard | Yes |
| 20:01 | cait | ah |
| 20:01 | so i was not too evil for setting it to pda | |
| 20:02 | oleonard | But from now on opac.css will *always* conflict if there are changes to a less file because it is minified. |
| 20:03 | cait | i know you don't like separate patches... |
| 20:03 | but maybe we could have the css change separate? | |
| 20:03 | then it would be easier to fix the conflict (once i have learned how to do the compiling) | |
| 20:03 | maybe next weke | |
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| 20:04 | indradg | hi #koha |
| 20:05 | i need a spot of help with the bcrypt password hashes in 'borrowers' | |
| 20:06 | was looking at the code, and it seems that passwd match is being done by calling hash_password with two param - a) the passwd entered by the user and b) the stored passwd hash in the db for that user | |
| 20:06 | cait | indradg: i saw your post on fb, but I think I won't be able to help - maybe ask rangi or papa? |
| 20:06 | indradg | do I have that correct? |
| 20:07 | cait: thanks :) rangi already nudged me towards bcrypt and away from md5 :-) | |
| 20:07 | rangi: ^^^ | |
| 20:08 | cait | i think he isn't around yet, might be later |
| 20:13 | oleonard | Bye #koha |
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| 20:41 | mtompset | indradg: What's the question? Not that I can help, but I like listening and learning. :) |
| 20:43 | Actually the second parameter is a SALT (see Koha::AuthUtils | |
| 20:47 | indradg | mtompset: thanks. what I'm trying to do will prolly help... I've a 3.10 to 3.14 upgrade on my hands. as part of service extension, the client wants Squid proxy authentications to work off the 'borrowers' table. I got squid_db_auth working with md5_base64, i need to get it to work with bcrypt as well. |
| 20:47 | mtompset | is squid_db_auth in Koha's code? |
| 20:48 | indradg | no... squid_db_auth is a part of Squid3, allowing squid to authenticate off a MySQL db |
| 20:50 | cait | indradg: hm what about using one of the webservices? |
| 20:50 | mabe that would work? | |
| 20:50 | you can authenticate using sip2, using ils-di and i think there is also something in the restful api | |
| 20:50 | svc directory | |
| 20:51 | gmcharlt | meeting in 10 minutes |
| 20:51 | indradg | cait: was considering that |
| 20:52 | cait | indradg: this way future changes wouldn't break your auth again |
| 20:59 | gmcharlt | dear cat: if you persist in standing in front of my monitor, YOU will get to run the meeting |
| 21:01 | #startmeeting General meeting, 9 April 2014, part 2 | |
| 21:01 | huginn | Meeting started Wed Apr 9 21:01:46 2014 UTC. The chair is gmcharlt. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. |
| 21:01 | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | |
| 21:01 | Topic for #koha is now (Meeting topic: General meeting, 9 April 2014, part 2) | |
| 21:01 | huginn | The meeting name has been set to 'general_meeting__9_april_2014__part_2' |
| 21:02 | gmcharlt | #link http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]ting_9_April_2014 Agenda |
| 21:02 | #link http://meetings.koha-community[…]-04-09-15.00.html Minutes from first part | |
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| 21:02 | gmcharlt | #link http://meetings.koha-community[…]09-15.00.log.html Log from first part |
| 21:02 | #topic Introductions | |
| 21:02 | wahanui | #info wahanui, a bot that has become sentient |
| 21:02 | Topic for #koha is now Introductions (Meeting topic: General meeting, 9 April 2014, part 2) | |
| 21:02 | gmcharlt | #info Galen Charlton, 3.16 RM, Equinox, USA |
| 21:02 | cait | #info Katrin Fischer, BSZ, Germany |
| 21:03 | indradg | #info Indranil Das Gupta, L2C2, India |
| 21:05 | cait | hm that could be a quick meeting |
| 21:05 | gmcharlt | indeed |
| 21:05 | cait | we should have a vote for something silly :) |
| 21:06 | don't go barton... | |
| 21:06 | barton_away | heh! |
| 21:07 | gmcharlt | OK, give the small attendence, I'll start with repeating the most important announcements |
| 21:07 | #topic Announcements | |
| 21:07 | Topic for #koha is now Announcements (Meeting topic: General meeting, 9 April 2014, part 2) | |
| 21:07 | * barton_away | is *always* up for something silly. |
| 21:07 | gmcharlt | #link http://lists.koha-community.or[…]April/040419.html Release schedule |
| 21:08 | #info 3.14 reelase schedule: 23 April - alpha release; 28 April - feature freeze; 30 April - beta release and soft string freeze; 5 May - firm string freeze; 19 May - RC cut; 22 May general release | |
| 21:08 | bag | #info Brendan Gallagher, ByWater |
| 21:08 | gmcharlt | #info Folks will be trying to highlight the availability of sandboxes and the like to encourage testing of the beta |
| 21:09 | hmm, I think we can know swing the vote for the Official Sport of Koha to baseball! ;) | |
| 21:09 | bag | YES!!! |
| 21:09 | +many many many 1's | |
| 21:09 | thd | #info Thomas Dukleth, Agogme, New York City |
| 21:09 | cait | heh |
| 21:10 | gmcharlt | #link http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]ki/Roles_for_3.18 Current 3.18 nominations |
| 21:10 | #info Galen will be posting a query regarding whether 3.12 and earlier releases will continue to be maintained | |
| 21:10 | #link http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]ule_maintainer_do module maintainer discussion | |
| 21:11 | the next dev meeting is tenatively scheduled for 23 April, and project roles will be voted on there | |
| 21:11 | I'm now thinking that 15/22 UTC may be better than 15/21 UTC | |
| 21:12 | cait | agreed |
| 21:12 | barton | #info Barton Chittenden, ByWater |
| 21:13 | gmcharlt | OK, unless there's an object, that's what I'll announce |
| 21:13 | #agreed Next dev meeting is scheduled for 23 April at 15:00 UTC and 22:00 UTC. Voting for 3.18 project roles will take place then | |
| 21:13 | mtompset | #info Mark Tompsett |
| 21:13 | bag | agreed |
| 21:14 | thd | 22 UTC is a problem for me on the first Wed. of the month but I should not really need to attend both times. |
| 21:14 | gmcharlt | at the first meeting we issued a call for volunteers to kick off the Koha 15 selection process |
| 21:14 | thd has volunteered, but can't get started until next month | |
| 21:16 | and based on when we did it last year, that looks like it's soon eough | |
| 21:16 | so thd, I guess you should plan on doing it | |
| 21:16 | thd | gmcharlt: Were you proposing to change next month's second time to 22 UTC or only the meeting for voting on roles? |
| 21:16 | gmcharlt | thd: I think the general meeting as well |
| 21:18 | so speaking of which, the next general meeting was tentatively scheduled for 7 May at 15:00 / 21:00 UTC, but I suggest that the second part be scheduled for 22:00 UCT | |
| 21:18 | thd | OK, I should at least be present for the first time on the day and will plan on starting the process for KohaCon 15 next month. |
| 21:18 | gmcharlt | thoughts? |
| 21:19 | BobB | #info Bob Birchall, sorry I'm late |
| 21:19 | bag | no comments - but I hope I still think |
| 21:19 | gmcharlt | BobB: actually, you're just in time to answer a question regarding scheduling -- would 22 UTC work better for you rather than 21 UTC? |
| 21:21 | thd | gmcharlt: I do not remember the consensus from the earlier meeting on how to further discussion defining the scope of module maintainer roles if such scope would even need to be defined. |
| 21:22 | gmcharlt | I'll be moving the discussion to koha-devel, where it will have more exposure |
| 21:22 | but it also depends in large part on what structure tcohen wants to work with | |
| 21:24 | BobB | yes, 22 UTC is 8am, not 7 |
| 21:25 | yes gmcharlt, 22 UTC is 8am ,not 7 | |
| 21:26 | cait | sounds a lot better |
| 21:26 | BobB | :) |
| 21:27 | gmcharlt | OK |
| 21:27 | * BobB | is waking slowly |
| 21:27 | gmcharlt | #agreed The next general meeting will be 7 May 2014 at 15/22 UTC |
| 21:29 | any other questions or discussions? | |
| 21:30 | BobB | I hope the first half was a little more active? |
| 21:30 | mtompset | Mmm.... |
| 21:30 | * mtompset | goes hunting for agenda. |
| 21:30 | cait | BobB: yes, I thimk we hit a better time there |
| 21:31 | BobB | cool |
| 21:31 | thd | BobB: Attendence was down at the earlier hour but more active than this presently. |
| 21:31 | mtompset | Why do we have so many "active" versions of Koha? |
| 21:32 | 3.8, 3.10, ... | |
| 21:32 | cait | because we have module maintainers for those |
| 21:32 | as long as someone steps up, the version is maintained | |
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| 21:33 | BobB | somepeople don't upgrade, there are forks etc |
| 21:33 | mtompset | Is 3.8 the Windows XP of Koha? |
| 21:33 | rangi | neither of those are really valid reasons though, basically maintaining a version while someone is willing to |
| 21:33 | no | |
| 21:34 | gmcharlt | I have a preference for encouraging folks to not let themselves get too far behind |
| 21:34 | rangi | 3.8 is only 2 years old |
| 21:34 | and is no longer maintained anyway | |
| 21:34 | the last release was february | |
| 21:34 | gmcharlt | I think the big questions are 3.12 and possibly 3.10 |
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| 21:35 | rangi | maintaining a version for 2 years seems pretty good to me |
| 21:35 | BobB | the version one back from current should always be maintained, imo |
| 21:35 | gmcharlt | yeah, I'd think stable and stable -1 would be the bare minimum |
| 21:35 | rangi | if we want to get into debian proper and we do |
| 21:35 | BobB | yeah, two years makes sense |
| 21:36 | gmcharlt | which would translate to 3.16 and 3.14 upon the releae of 3.16 |
| 21:36 | rangi | we would need ot maintain for about that long |
| 21:36 | gmcharlt | stable - 2 would be nice, as it's only 1.5 years back |
| 21:36 | but it does depend on (at least) a rmaint for 3.12 stepping up | |
| 21:36 | rangi | yep |
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| 21:37 | rangi | sorry for being late i was in a real life meeting |
| 21:37 | BobB | rangi, this is real life! :) |
| 21:38 | gmcharlt | rangi: more generally, is 22 UTC preferable to 21 UCT for you? |
| 21:38 | rangi | yes |
| 21:38 | BobB | woot woot |
| 21:39 | gmcharlt | OK, I'll do as I planned already, and put out a call for final nominations |
| 21:39 | with an emphasis on rmaints | |
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| 21:39 | rangi | sounds good to me |
| 21:39 | gmcharlt | rangi: thoughts on the MM discussion, or shall you just weigh in when I start a therad on koha-devel? |
| 21:40 | rangi | basically that really they should work the way that the RM wants them to work, but that its vital they not short cut QA |
| 21:41 | so if RM wants them to pick from things passed qa, push to master .. thats fine, if push to a branch, then merge to master fine too, the important step is that the QA role is still done | |
| 21:41 | but someone other than the person pushing | |
| 21:41 | thats my 2cents anyway | |
| 21:41 | cait | :) +1 |
| 21:41 | gmcharlt | other than /just/ the pesron pushing |
| 21:41 | BobB | +1 |
| 21:41 | rangi | yep |
| 21:43 | cait | I think the important bit is to have more people on the pqa witout reduing the eyes on a patch |
| 21:43 | if that makes sense | |
| 21:44 | gmcharlt | yep |
| 21:44 | OK, any final comments or topics? | |
| 21:46 | OK, thanks everybody! | |
| 21:46 | #endmeeting | |
| 21:46 | rangi | did we cover kohacon14 call for talks? |
| 21:46 | Topic for #koha is now Next general meeting is 9 April 2014 at 15:00 and 21:00 UTC. Welcome to the IRC home of Koha http://koha-community.org. Please use http://paste.koha-community.org for pastes. | |
| 21:46 | huginn | Meeting ended Wed Apr 9 21:46:19 2014 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) |
| 21:46 | Minutes: http://meetings.koha-community[…]-04-09-21.01.html | |
| 21:46 | Minutes (text): http://meetings.koha-community[…]4-04-09-21.01.txt | |
| 21:46 | Log: http://meetings.koha-community[…]09-21.01.log.html | |
| 21:46 | gmcharlt | rangi: neither tcohen nor bgkriegel where here today; are there others involved in the program? |
| 21:46 | cait | rangi: tcohen is still gone, so we didn't talk much about kohacon14 |
| 21:48 | what do you have in mind? | |
| 21:48 | BobB | ok, breakfast |
| 21:48 | rangi | well the page is there |
| 21:48 | http://koha-community.org/koha[…]/call-for-papers/ | |
| 21:48 | cait | hm you mean we should advertise? |
| 21:48 | rangi | i was wondering if we should just highlight that |
| 21:48 | and the registration page again too | |
| 21:48 | cos ... its not long now | |
| 21:48 | cait | true |
| 21:49 | we probably should | |
| 21:49 | do we know if something has been sent out to other mailing lists so far? | |
| 21:49 | aprt from the koha lists? | |
| 21:50 | rangi | not that ive seen |
| 21:51 | cait | hm we were wondering at the first meetin gwhen tcohen will be back |
| 21:52 | I stll don't know | |
| 21:58 | rangi | yeah, ok, maybe shelve that til next week |
| 21:58 | gmcharlt | I've sent out a tweet |
| 21:59 | but yeah, beyond that sort of thing I think we need to wait | |
| 22:01 | wajasu | i put preliminary patch for bug 11232 to dicern if that strategy would be something that would be released, if anyone has time to run it (dev install) and give feedback, i would persue adding UNIMAC and suggested followups. |
| 22:01 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=11232 new feature, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, ASSIGNED , Retrieve facets from Zebra |
| 22:04 | gmcharlt | wajasu: my immediate comments upon glancing at it is yes |
| 22:04 | obviously, it needs test cases | |
| 22:05 | also, I'd strongly prefer that new code to parse facets from the Zebra responses be put in a separate routine or routines, not just tacked inside getRecords | |
| 22:05 | rangi | +1 |
| 22:06 | gmcharlt | but unless there is unexpected weirdness in how Zebra calculates facets, I think this is a very reason direction to try |
| 22:07 | wajasu | ok. then i'll invest time in it. any suggestions on how i should test unimarc. just do a dev install with unimarc as choice. are there test unmarc records i can load? |
| 22:08 | gmcharlt | wajasu: there's a tiny sample under t/db_dependent/data/unimarc/zebraexport/ |
| 22:08 | cait | there is the sandbox database |
| 22:08 | it includes unimarc authorities | |
| 22:08 | huginn | New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 12060: remove extraneous tags from header.inc <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]0add5412b7d44d11e> |
| 22:08 | cait | it's in the koha repository with the sandbox code |
| 22:10 | wajasu | i had to specify new indexes for a couple of subfields. don't know if i should call then Subject-to or su-to for topical? any suggestions? Subject-geo vs su-geo |
| 22:12 | gmcharlt | wajasu: I prefer Subject-longer, not su-sh |
| 22:12 | as it were | |
| 22:12 | though you can include the shorter versions as aliases | |
| 22:12 | wajasu | ok. thats what i did so far. i can add them as aliases. |
| 22:13 | * mtompset | likes the short versions available as aliases idea. :) |
| 22:15 | wajasu | but it would be nice to get feedback on if this helps performance. i only have 30k bibs in my prod. |
| 22:18 | cait | i think you shoudl see a difference |
| 22:18 | if you do a search for all your records and set the facets to 30000 | |
| 22:18 | it gets a lot slower | |
| 22:18 | with the way we do it now | |
| 22:18 | compared to the 20 setting that is standard | |
| 22:18 | huginn | New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 12056: fix untranslatable strings in calendar <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]cefd3a5bc3e58292e> |
| 22:20 | nengard left #koha | |
| 22:20 | wajasu | seeing counters is neat. |
| 22:21 | i acually played around with 650a and though 650x could be supplied to the facet heirarchy and later the facet UI could hover and show subdivisions. | |
| 22:22 | so that the inital list is not too big. | |
| 22:23 | i would still need to incorporate Hidden like Suppress for biblios that have all items hidden. | |
| 22:26 | does the marc editor keep the marcxml and tables in sync. so when the biblio export for rebuild happens, the items in the marcxml are in sync, or do we just query the items fromthe DB on needed pages. | |
| 22:27 | rangi | i have no idea what this email means |
| 22:27 | Which Koha-file is an analogue of the syspar.par file from the package "CDS/ISIS for Windows" ? | |
| 22:28 | bag | reply 42 |
| 22:28 | cait | yeah, me neither |
| 22:29 | huginn | New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 10865: (Follow-up) Add CSS style for form hints <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]a805dacede165bc9a> / bug 10865: (follow-up) allow patrons to make their public lists private when OpacAllo... <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]8d863d605a6ba63e8> / Bug 10865: (follow-up) Move a li tag to avoid overlapping tags <http |
| 22:29 | rangi | i just said, i have no idea what you are asking |
| 22:29 | gmcharlt | rangi: I believe the answer to the question, not that I'm inclined to write it up, is that Koha has a variety of more or less friendly web interfaces for setting system parmeters |
| 22:29 | bag | cait: you should reply in german - tell them what the weather is like outside |
| 22:30 | cait | wajasu: the marcxml in koha doens't have the items afaik - I think only the zebra index has them |
| 22:30 | gmcharlt | right - item information is embeded in the MARC only upon (a) export and (b) passing the record to Zebra to be indexed |
| 22:30 | bag | yes items are not in the marc or marcxml |
| 22:30 | cait | bag: in times of google translate that might not help for long :) |
| 22:30 | bag | :P |
| 22:49 | huginn | New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 11184: correct attribute cloning for the patron editor <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]25a0d08733fc030ca> |
| 22:51 | mtompset | Hmmm... well, this kind of sucks... Ubuntu' |
| 22:52 | Ubuntu's 14.04 BETA fails to sudo apt-get install koha-common because of apache2-mpm-itk. | |
| 22:52 | I wish tcohen was here. I know he was looking into that. | |
| 22:52 | gmcharlt | is apache2-mpm-itk not packaged for that release of Ubuntu? |
| 22:53 | mtompset | There seems to be a bizarre circular dependency which prevents installation. |
| 22:54 | pastebot | "mtompset" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "Something like this..." (20 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/210 |
| 22:55 | mtompset | Perhaps because the libapache2-mpm-itk is not the identical version? |
| 22:55 | gmcharlt | not a circular dependency |
| 22:55 | the key thing are the first three lines | |
| 22:56 | mtompset | The post install script bombs, and so it can't be installed? |
| 22:56 | gmcharlt | if you've got a fresh VM, I'd be curious what you get if you simply run apt-get install apache2-mpm-itk |
| 22:57 | right, the failure of the post-install step for libapache2-mpm-itk appears to be the immediate problem | |
| 22:58 | mtompset: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubu[…]-itk/+bug/1286882 | |
| 22:59 | huginn | New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 11951: fix OPAC search suggestions template error <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]56d7aede8aebb20d5> |
| 23:00 | mtompset | bingo! |
| 23:00 | gmcharlt++ # that was it. | |
| 23:00 | gmcharlt | did the workaround in the bug description work for you? |
| 23:01 | eythian | oh yeah, I had something similar on testing, but I haven't tried it on a fresh install to know if it's really the issue. |
| 23:02 | mtompset | Yes, it did. |
| 23:02 | This was a fresh install. | |
| 23:02 | I just grabbed the mini.iso today. | |
| 23:03 | eythian | hmm |
| 23:03 | might have to do some more investigation when I get the chance. | |
| 23:24 | mtompset | Hmmm.... a2ensite is expecting foobar.conf our koha-create only generates foobar. |
| 23:24 | (under 14.04 beta) | |
| 23:25 | eythian | known bug |
| 23:25 | mtompset | is apache 2.4, I believe. |
| 23:25 | Nice... they removed anonymous connections by default. :) | |
| 23:27 | cait | good night all |
| 23:27 | cait left #koha | |
| 23:31 | mtompset | eythian: Where's the best place to tell apache to run .pl files as CGI scripts? |
| 23:31 | eythian | err |
| 23:31 | what are you doing? | |
| 23:32 | mtompset | Trying to install Koha. |
| 23:32 | But perl isn't configured to run as a CGI script by default it sees. | |
| 23:32 | seems. | |
| 23:32 | under 14.04 | |
| 23:35 | ah... sudo a2enmod cgi | |
| 23:35 | wasn't enabled. | |
| 23:36 | eythian | oh right |
| 23:36 | I think that might be a new thing | |
| 23:39 | mtompset | Well, there we go... just 3 bumps, but a koha under 14.04 installed. |
| 23:40 | eythian | http://tumblr.snipe.net/post/8[…]xplains-how-their |
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