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| 00:45 | dcook | http://view.officeapps.live.co[…]2014%2f2-559.pptx |
| 00:46 | My summary: "Oh no. Everyone's website breaks for IE 10/11 because the classic workarounds no longer work, but our browser still doesn't perform up to snuff, so let's add a 'mode' and act like we're doing you a favour for bringing back what we already took away." | |
| 00:46 | wajasu | lets add a mode to koha :) |
| 00:47 | eythian | we have people who keep turning compatibility mode on, and it breaks the staff client. |
| 00:48 | dcook | eythian: That sounds familiar. I think we might've run into similar issues. |
| 00:48 | I think the best response to IE breaking things is "So I switched to Firefox or Chrome instead." | |
| 00:48 | Done. | |
| 00:49 | eythian | yeah, we've convinced some of them to do that. |
| 00:49 | wajasu | i recently migrated a company from xp to win7 and hacks plus new security broke old app functionality. explorer 10 (no dhtml .htc scripts) broke even more so 8 expl 8 became the new corp standard. |
| 00:51 | eythian | oh, I'm connected here by IPv6, that'll be why this channel is still working. |
| 00:52 | dcook | Working? |
| 00:53 | eythian | Not not working. |
| 00:53 | dcook | I thought that was what we were doing right now :p |
| 00:54 | * dcook | sees if he can crash his browser again.. |
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| 01:31 | bag | just saw a comerical on tv - that the guy looked like dcook |
| 01:31 | Hi there dcook - just saw you | |
| 01:35 | dcook | lol |
| 01:35 | What were they selling? | |
| 01:35 | I can assure you that it wasn't me, but I'm curious | |
| 01:36 | ibeardslee | you'd would hope you'd be aware if they were selling you |
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| 01:36 | dcook | ibeardslee: *insert joke about politics here* |
| 01:37 | There are many people in the world who look like me. Usually, I hear about it through situations like this. | |
| 01:37 | However, once, I got to meet a doppelganger. He was dating a classmate of mine. | |
| 01:37 | wajasu | dcook++ |
| 01:37 | Aslien | How to make a plugin in koha? |
| 01:37 | dcook | She didn't see the similarity, but everyone else did. It was pretty neat talking to a near duplicate of yourself, especially growing up in a family full of sisters :p |
| 01:39 | Aslien | I want to have a plugin connect database, have any document or anything else? |
| 01:40 | dcook | No idea, Aslien. I haven't looked into it too much yet. https://www.google.com.au/search?q=koha+plugin |
| 01:40 | wajasu | i once came face to face with my doppleganger. folks had mentioned of his existence for years. we walked up to each other looked into each others eyes with no words spoken, then turned and walked away, never to see each other again. |
| 01:41 | dcook | Aslien: I recommend looking at anything by ByWater as they're the ones who developed the plugin system |
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| 01:56 | bag | dcook: it’s an add for Lowe’s home improvement… need help? |
| 01:56 | it’s pretty rad | |
| 02:01 | Aslien | plugin koha is written by javascript or perl language? |
| 02:03 | dcook | Aslien: It probably depends on what you want to do, but the examples I've seen have been written in Perl. |
| 02:03 | bag: My home could use so many improvements :p. I do love hardware... | |
| 02:05 | Aslien | I need a document or video help me step by step make a plugin, but i can't find it. can you help me/. |
| 02:06 | eythian | arg Cache::Entry has some real brain-dead decisions in it. |
| 02:07 | dcook | Aslien: No, I cannot help you, if that's the case. As I mentioned, check out the ByWater sites. If that's too complex, you'll probably have trouble trying to create a plugin. |
| 02:08 | eythian | you can't really make a plugin "step by step". |
| 02:08 | dcook | ^ |
| 02:09 | Aslien | dcook: yah, I checked out ByWater but not anymore. They just have some example plugins. @@... |
| 02:10 | mtompset | Musical flashback: http://youtu.be/ay6GjmiJTPM (step by step NKOTB) |
| 02:11 | eythian | /kick mtompset NO!@#!@!@!# |
| 02:11 | * mtompset | laughs. |
| 02:12 | mtompset | There is no "Writing a plug-in for dummies" anywhere. |
| 02:14 | eythian | http://i.imgur.com/VIM31JE.png <-- click here |
| 02:21 | wajasu | i clicked, and got 57 hits |
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| 02:45 | mtompset | Greetings, khall! |
| 02:45 | Is this really you, or just a computer? :) | |
| 02:47 | eythian | mtompset: it was a reconnect. |
| 02:47 | [14:27] * khall heeft verlaten (Ping timeout: 480 seconds) | |
| 02:47 | [14:28] * khall (~khallh10.105.21.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net) is binnengekomen bij #koha |
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| 02:48 | mtompset | Oh. :( |
| 02:48 | eythian: Sorry about the NKOTB flashback. ;) | |
| 02:48 | eythian | :) |
| 02:49 | mtompset | I'm confused on how acquisition budgets and funds are supposed to work. |
| 02:50 | I wanted to help cait out and test bug 11578, but something doesn't make sense to me intuitively. | |
| 02:50 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=11578 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , Improvement of the funds list view |
| 03:06 | wizzyrea | someone please kill me I've gone down the new kids on the block rabbit hole. |
| 03:07 | next thing will be debbie gibson and tiffany, and then you might as well call the coroner. | |
| 03:08 | mtompset | wizzyrea: I put the name of the song and band on the link. |
| 03:08 | wizzyrea: Stop clicking! | |
| 03:09 | wizzyrea | I can't! |
| 03:10 | mtompset | http://youtu.be/K38xNqZvBJI (1985 - Bowling for Soup) |
| 03:11 | wizzyrea | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8I_WavHGBdA you're welcome. |
| 03:12 | * mtompset | cringes, "That's pretty bad." |
| 03:12 | wizzyrea | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w6Q3mHyzn78 |
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| 03:13 | mtompset | I counter your debbie gibson with whitney! http://youtu.be/eH3giaIzONA (I wanna dance with somebody) |
| 03:13 | Alias | How to create a plugin in koha? |
| 03:14 | eythian | It's like deja-vu all over again. |
| 03:14 | mtompset | There is no "Writing a plug-in for dummies" anywhere. |
| 03:14 | * mtompset | nods at eythian. |
| 03:15 | mtompset | wizzyrea: Tiffany is okay. I like that song. :P |
| 03:15 | Alias | Help me, plz |
| 03:16 | mtompset | There is no "Writing a plug-in for dummies" anywhere, Alias. Sorry, we can't help. |
| 03:16 | eythian | Alias: you'll have to look at existing plugins, look at the plugin documentation, and start from there. |
| 03:17 | * eythian | assumes there's documentation |
| 03:17 | * mtompset | laughs. |
| 03:17 | mtompset | That's probably a bad assumption. |
| 03:17 | wizzyrea | http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7804 |
| 03:17 | huginn | 04Bug 7804: new feature, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, RESOLVED FIXED, Add Koha Plugin System |
| 03:17 | wizzyrea | this is the bug that added the feature |
| 03:17 | there is an example plugin there. | |
| 03:18 | http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]ug.cgi?id=7804#c2 < this comment | |
| 03:18 | huginn | 04Bug 7804: new feature, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, RESOLVED FIXED, Add Koha Plugin System |
| 03:18 | eythian | someone* needs to go write a wiki page that's an intro to writing plugins. |
| 03:18 | * bags not | |
| 03:18 | * cjh | nominates eythian |
| 03:24 | Alias | yeah, let's write a wiki page that's an intro to writing plugins... |
| 03:25 | eythian | cjh volunteered. |
| 03:30 | Alias | and, plugin is written by JavaScript or perl? |
| 03:30 | wajasu | you could look at t/Koha/Plugin/Test.pm to get started. i am not sure, but i think they are zip files(.kpz) that overlay and the plugin handler looks at C4::Context->config("enable_plugins") |
| 03:30 | perl | |
| 03:30 | Alias | can i write by JavaScript? |
| 03:32 | dcook | Alias: Maybe what you really want is this: http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]ki/JQuery_Library |
| 03:32 | eythian | Alias: what are you actually trying to do? |
| 03:33 | dcook | ^ |
| 03:34 | Alias | I'm trying to connect database, do you have any document or video? |
| 03:34 | eythian | what does "connect database" mean? |
| 03:34 | Koha spends all its time connected to a MySQL database. | |
| 03:35 | It sometimes connects to other databases via Z39.50 to get information. | |
| 03:36 | Alias | yes, i want to connect to other database. |
| 03:36 | eythian | wahanui: z39.50 |
| 03:36 | wahanui | it has been said that z39.50 is the ANSI standard of the beast. |
| 03:36 | wizzyrea | Alias: what are you trying to do with your connection to the database? |
| 03:37 | the first question? | |
| 03:37 | wahanui | "What are you trying to do?" or "What is the goal?" |
| 03:40 | Alias | ex, I have a database user, and i want to import it |
| 03:40 | mtompset | What do you mean import a database user? |
| 03:40 | eythian | Alias: you're going to have to provide a lot more detail. |
| 03:41 | Alias | (sr, because my EL is not really good) :( |
| 03:41 | mtompset | Do you want to import patrons? |
| 03:41 | Alias | maybe |
| 03:41 | mtompset | You don't need a plug in for that. |
| 03:42 | Home -> Tools -> Import patrons. | |
| 03:42 | Alias | and import other database: patrons, staffs, books, user,.... |
| 03:42 | wizzyrea | what is your native language? |
| 03:42 | ohhhh you want to move your things from another system to Koha? | |
| 03:42 | Alias | Laos |
| 03:42 | wizzyrea | don't need a a plugin for that either |
| 03:43 | what system are you coming from/ | |
| 03:43 | mtompset | I think you are right, wizzyrea. |
| 03:43 | wizzyrea | ? |
| 03:43 | eythian | Oh, a friend's girlfriend is Laos. However, that doesn't help us either. |
| 03:43 | mtompset | Is the database another library system, Alias? |
| 03:43 | Alias | to hard to say what i mean |
| 03:43 | @@ | |
| 03:43 | huginn | Alias: I'll give you the answer as soon as RDA is ready |
| 03:44 | mtompset | Is the database an old system that you want to change to Koha? |
| 03:44 | wizzyrea | you have records for books and people and stuff from another database that you want to put into Koha? does that sound right? |
| 03:45 | Alias | no no, not old system, this's a my exercise |
| 03:45 | wizzyrea | oh, ok so you have some kind of data that you want to put into Koha |
| 03:45 | Alias | Wizzyrea |
| 03:45 | wahanui | Wizzyrea is a Cylon, and they all have plans. |
| 03:46 | wizzyrea | True. |
| 03:46 | Alias | yeah |
| 03:46 | wizzyrea | MARC data? |
| 03:46 | wahanui | MARC data is probably being migrated from 2.2.9 to 3.2 |
| 03:46 | * mtompset | laughs, "Not useful, wahanui." |
| 03:46 | wahanui | mtompset: what? |
| 03:46 | mtompset | MARC? |
| 03:46 | wizzyrea | eythian: can you teach wahanui that when we say something like "zip it" he shuts up for 5 minutes or something |
| 03:46 | wahanui | MARC is the standard that isn't |
| 03:46 | wizzyrea | :) |
| 03:46 | eythian | erm. Maybe, though not right now. |
| 03:46 | wizzyrea | well no |
| 03:46 | when you're bored. | |
| 03:47 | Alias | " have records for books and people and stuff from another database that you want to put into Koha" |
| 03:47 | can you help me? | |
| 03:48 | connected and show it on a webpage | |
| 03:48 | wizzyrea | well, I'm trying to think of someone who can help you in your language - that'll be easier. |
| 03:49 | wajasu | Alias: http://bywatersolutions.com/20[…]s-in-to-koha-3-8/ |
| 03:49 | http://bywatersolutions.com/20[…]rting-in-to-koha/ | |
| 03:49 | mtompset | Yes, that's a good start at getting the books in. :) |
| 03:49 | wajasu | picture is worth... |
| 03:51 | Alias | you know, I'm a student. And my exercise is add a module to koha, it can connect to any database. |
| 03:55 | wizzyrea | what do you want your module to do? |
| 03:55 | besides "show things on a screen" because that is not a great amount of information | |
| 03:58 | Alias | let's do first with show a database on a screen |
| 03:59 | wizzyrea | this sounds like what koha does already |
| 03:59 | eythian | phew, caching system heavily modified, and all the tests pass. |
| 04:02 | wizzyrea | eythian++ |
| 04:03 | dcook | eythian++ |
| 04:27 | mtompset | If only I could figure out how to install plack and memcache, I'd test your patch. |
| 04:28 | eythian | memcache is easy |
| 04:29 | mtompset | documentation url? |
| 04:30 | eythian | apt-get install memchached |
| 04:30 | -h | |
| 04:31 | and then you need to set up the environment vars | |
| 04:31 | which is something that koha-plackify can do | |
| 04:33 | mtompset | is port 11211 the default memcached port? |
| 04:34 | koha-plackify? | |
| 04:36 | eythian | yes |
| 04:36 | http://git.catalyst.net.nz/gw?p=koha-plack.git | |
| 04:36 | it's very alpha | |
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| 05:10 | bag | UCONN!!!! |
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| 06:00 | magnuse | bag: HI |
| 06:00 | wahanui | kai ora, magnuse |
| 06:00 | * magnuse | waves |
| 06:01 | dac | Wha, I quit? |
| 06:02 | dcook | heya magnuse :) |
| 06:02 | magnuse | hiya dcook |
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| 06:11 | mtompset | Quick question before I sleep, eythian. :) So, this plackify works on the packages, not a git? |
| 06:11 | eythian | yeah |
| 06:11 | I manually made mine work with both | |
| 06:12 | mtompset | I'll have to look at it later. Perhaps it will be obvious for me to tweak to work on my git. |
| 06:12 | * mtompset | dreams. :) |
| 06:13 | eythian | you might be able to use koha gitify in conjunction with it, I'm not sure. |
| 06:13 | mtompset | Have a great day, #koha, eythian wizzyrea dcook magnuse |
| 06:13 | magnuse | ooh, "Support for plackifying the staff client" |
| 06:13 | eythian | later |
| 06:13 | magnuse: yeah, I'm tracking down the issues and sorting them. | |
| 06:13 | I just redid koha::cache to make it work better | |
| 06:14 | bug 12041 | |
| 06:14 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=12041 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, robin, Needs Signoff , Improve Koha::Cache |
| 06:14 | wajasu | i've kind of got the zebra facets working, but i can't get the 490a Title-series : 0 to show in the Series facet section. |
| 06:14 | magnuse | eythian: awesome! |
| 06:14 | wahanui | That'll be $1 for the awesome jar, magnuse |
| 06:14 | magnuse | eythian++ |
| 06:14 | wajasu | eythian++ |
| 06:16 | i think its got to do with the facet that the general search box does a @attr 1=6 word list search, while the 490a series title might only be in the : p register. | |
| 06:16 | i did not think i would have to learn so much about zebra. | |
| 06:18 | magnuse | learning is good, right? ;-) |
| 06:19 | wajasu | i also wonder if we should use 830a instead of 490a. I seem to see the same series title in both, but get more results with 830a. |
| 06:19 | for facets | |
| 06:19 | dcook | Noope |
| 06:20 | wajasu | ok. just want to be sure. |
| 06:20 | dcook | wajasu: That would be legacy data |
| 06:20 | wajasu | 830a is legacy? |
| 06:20 | dcook | Actually, I better doublecheck that :p |
| 06:21 | Ah, my mistake. Sorry 'bout that ;) | |
| 06:21 | Not legacy data. "Current" data. | |
| 06:21 | wajasu | i think i see both series titles in the details page which might use 830a. but the current facets use 490a |
| 06:21 | dcook | They should use 490 |
| 06:21 | If you're getting more hits on 830, your data might be off | |
| 06:22 | Actually...what you might be able to do... | |
| 06:22 | The 490 is always going to have the series statement (in theory) | |
| 06:22 | The 830 will have the authorized form, where an authorized form is available. | |
| 06:22 | I haven't looked at the DOM indexing stuff, but if a person can play with indicators... | |
| 06:24 | wajasu | i got all the facets looking like the current implementation, but for series, i seem not to get one book's 490a. i have an index in that for Title-series:0, which i use for the element set name, and can't seem to get it to show. |
| 06:24 | dcook | That is, if the series isn't traced, use 490. If it is traced, use 830. |
| 06:24 | wajasu | well, that would mean i would have to retrieve the marc record to decide. and i am not retrieving it yet. |
| 06:25 | dcook | It might depend on where you've placed it. As paul_p mentioned on Bugzilla, you might be getting pipped by another index |
| 06:25 | Good. You won't want to retrieve it. | |
| 06:25 | wajasu | i think i'm getting pipped. |
| 06:26 | dcook | The 490/830 thing is interesting. |
| 06:26 | You need 490 for the cases when you don't have an 830... | |
| 06:26 | But it would be nice to use an authority when available.. | |
| 06:26 | I suppose you could always use both | |
| 06:27 | wajasu | i tried making a new distinct index called Series : 0 but still don't see my 490a. One thing is there is also a 490 index. I'll try to comment that out to see if its interfering. |
| 06:27 | dcook | Actually, I think my idea could work, since "biblio-zebra-indexdefs.xsl" is parsing the whole MARC record. It's just an extra bit of XPath. Of course, I'm not sure it's a great idea to start playing around too much.. |
| 06:28 | Tough to say without looking further, and I'm crazy busy. | |
| 06:28 | Good luck in any case. | |
| 06:28 | * dcook | thought he was just barge in with some librarian-ness |
| 06:28 | dcook | thought he would* |
| 06:30 | wajasu | thx. i'm just doing minimal changes. (additional indexes, without removing existing) |
| 06:32 | * wajasu | signs off |
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| 06:40 | reiveune | hello |
| 06:40 | wahanui | niihau, reiveune |
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| 06:53 | magnuse | bonjour france! |
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| 06:56 | alex_a | bonjour |
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| 08:24 | cait | hi #koha |
| 08:24 | hi atheia | |
| 08:24 | atheia | Morning cait |
| 08:24 | How's things? | |
| 08:26 | cait | on a train again...shaky? :) |
| 08:27 | atheia | ;-) |
| 08:30 | cait | how are you doing? |
| 08:34 | atheia | Not too bad. Upgrades and such… |
| 08:36 | * magnuse | waves to cait and atheia |
| 08:37 | atheia | Hi magnuse |
| 08:40 | cait | hi magnuse |
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| 10:03 | paxed | hm. should i comment on a bug with the patch commit message, if i uploaded the patch to bugzilla? (seeing how it doesn't automagically show the commit msg...) |
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| 10:08 | atheia | paxed: the commit message should normally appear if you use 'git bz'. |
| 10:08 | Did you upload via the webform? | |
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| 10:11 | paxed | atheia: via web. |
| 10:13 | atheia | hmm, not sure whether the commit msg would then appear. If it hasn't I would add it. |
| 10:13 | Most other bugs will have commit messages as comments. | |
| 10:23 | magnuse | yeah, with git bz you get that for free |
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| 10:44 | paxed | looking at the code, it seems like CancelExpiredReserves() (that is, the ReservesMaxPickUpDelay syspref) doesn't seem to consider library closed dates at all? |
| 10:57 | ah. bug 8735 | |
| 10:57 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8735 minor, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Failed QA , Expire holds waiting only on days the library is open |
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| 12:16 | oleonard | Hi #koha |
| 12:17 | meliss | hi oleonard |
| 12:19 | francharb | morning |
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| 12:27 | fridolin | hie all |
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| 12:41 | oleonard | Wow it's been a while since I've seen an all-flash site. I never expected that from a Koha support company. |
| 12:41 | http://www.bibliorion.com/ | |
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| 12:59 | paul_p | oleonard (+link to the demo broken...) looks a little bit abandonned... |
| 13:00 | oleonard | They just asked to be listed a few days ago, so they have no excuse. |
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| 13:04 | oleonard | ...and hi paul_p! I hope you are well :) |
| 13:05 | paul_p | oleonard yes I am. In a really strange/new place those days: Chisinau, in Moldavia ! |
| 13:05 | arrived a few hours ago. 3 days of Koha demo starting tomorrow. | |
| 13:05 | (for a big EU project with moldovan universities) | |
| 13:05 | oleonard | Exciting! |
| 13:06 | paul_p | if we win the RFP yes, exciting ;-) |
| 13:07 | oleonard | Are you practicing your Romanian language skills? |
| 13:14 | paul_p | oleonard = a lot of ppl speak french in Romania & Moldova. The woman who picked me up at the airport had an almost perfect french -and she's never been in France !- |
| 13:15 | oleonard | Wow I would never have guessed |
| 13:21 | francharb | Should we see holds on checked out items in the hold queue? or, is it just holds on available items? |
| 13:21 | oleonard | Should just be available items. |
| 13:21 | francharb | thanks oleonard ! |
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| 16:15 | reiveune | bye |
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| 16:19 | magnuse | ouch! http://heartbleed.com/ |
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| 16:55 | wajasu | weird. with my zebra facets search for books with 57 results i can't see a certain Title-series from 490a, but if i rebuild the index with just two of the biblios that have that Title-series, they show in my zebra facets. |
| 16:56 | makes me wonder if having certain biblios can put the kabosh on some zebra logic/pipeline. dom filter. | |
| 16:56 | i guess i can wittle throughthe 57 to see if certain one(s) are responsible | |
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| 17:03 | pianohacker | hey #koha |
| 17:04 | * wajasu | waves |
| 17:07 | oleonard | Is there a reason why Bug 11618 is not getting pushed to the stable branches? |
| 17:07 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=11618 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , jQuery timepicker is not picked up by the i18n toolchain |
| 17:07 | oleonard | Because now Bug 12049 |
| 17:07 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=12049 minor, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , DatePicker not translated |
| 17:08 | oleonard | (duplicate) |
| 17:08 | * oleonard | confesses he does not know how long it usually takes things to make it into stable |
| 17:09 | wajasu | sometimes years, sometimes days |
| 17:12 | pianohacker | oleonard++ |
| 17:12 | Thanks for testing bug 11978 | |
| 17:12 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=11978 major, P1 - high, ---, jweaver, Passed QA , OverDrive API now prepends http:// to URLs |
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| 17:13 | oleonard | Sure. Easy fix, easy test. I'll bet that API change screwed up lots of folks. |
| 17:15 | pianohacker | overdrive doesn't seem to have a way of getting any info out to devs like Amazon, so most likely! |
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| 17:23 | bag | heya druthb |
| 17:23 | druthb | hi, bag! |
| 17:23 | pianohacker | hey druthb |
| 17:23 | also, | |
| 17:23 | nginx++ | |
| 17:23 | druthb | nginx++ |
| 17:24 | @most increased | |
| 17:24 | huginn | druthb: "gmcharlt": 56, "cait": 50, "oleonard": 45, "eythian": 41, "rangi": 33, "tcohen": 28, "magnuse": 22, "fridolin": 19, "wizzyrea": 19, "ashimema": 18, "khall": 17, "jcamins": 15, "Joubu": 15, "bag": 14, "dpavlin": 13, "marcelr": 13, "paul_p": 8, "pianohacker": 8, "mtompset": 8, "wajasu": 6, "dbs": 6, "dcook": 6, "druthb": 6, "aleisha": 5, and "kivilahtio": 5 |
| 17:24 | pianohacker | The config file format is pretty nice after years of apache |
| 17:24 | druthb | @most decreased |
| 17:24 | huginn | druthb: "windchill": 3, "people_who_use_windows_xp_past_april_8": 2, "yui": 2, "css": 2, "Microfilm": 2, "<-": 2, "^": 2, "ie": 2, "district": 1, "hay_fever": 1, "windows_all": 1, "M$": 1, "windows": 1, "chainsaw": 1, "wifi": 1, "-rw-r--r": 1, "printer": 1, "network_fail": 1, "sinuses": 1, "seriously": 1, "out-": 1, "titles": 1, "d probably mean changing the interface a bit, e.g. having all the passed-on options (1 more message) |
| 17:25 | druthb | @more |
| 17:25 | huginn | druthb: coming after a ": 1, "people_who_don't_know_how_to_make_a_csv": 1, and "bag": 1 |
| 17:25 | druthb | @wunder 77098 |
| 17:25 | huginn | druthb: The current temperature in Greenway Plaza, Houston, Texas is 20.0°C (12:25 PM CDT on April 08, 2014). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 32%. Dew Point: 3.0°C. Pressure: 30.05 in 1018 hPa (Rising). Wind Advisory in effect from 1 PM this afternoon to 7 PM CDT this evening... |
| 17:25 | pianohacker | goddamn -rw-r--r |
| 17:26 | -rwxrwxrwx++ | |
| 17:29 | bag | magnuse HI |
| 17:34 | wajasu | pianohacker: no sticky bit? |
| 17:34 | pianohacker | I don't want my sticky rolls to be have fully-open permissions |
| 17:34 | trw------- | |
| 17:36 | * wajasu | divides and conquers to find a possible rogue biblio |
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| 18:00 | oleonard | Is there a notice for warning patrons in advance that their accounts are about to expire? |
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| 18:10 | oleonard | Bye #koha |
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| 18:15 | mtompset | Greetings, #koha. |
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| 18:28 | pianohacker | oh, what in the seven |
| 18:28 | druthb: you use 3-space indentation? | |
| 18:30 | druthb | eh? |
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| 18:35 | mtompset | I prefer 3 spaces myself, but 4 is the koha standard. :) |
| 18:48 | magnuse | bag: HI |
| 18:48 | wahanui | que tal, magnuse |
| 18:48 | bag | :) |
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| 20:09 | wajasu | i have 11 biblios in my test db. i specifically exported them with rebuild_zebra and i get a missing 490a with those 11 results. once i remove one from the list, the 490a appears (Title-series). this is for a zebra facets query |
| 20:11 | rangi | @later tell oleonard you should ping fridolyn, once its in 3.14.x then it can go into the other stables |
| 20:11 | huginn | rangi: The operation succeeded. |
| 20:16 | rangi | *sigh* |
| 20:17 | pianohacker | wassup rangi |
| 20:17 | you're sighing meaningfully but vaguely | |
| 20:17 | rangi | cant think of a nice way to reply to that usp email |
| 20:18 | mtompset | usp? |
| 20:18 | rangi | on the mail list, comparing koha |
| 20:18 | wajasu | its when i get a certain set of results, that my 490a Title-series disappears. for my zebra facets. |
| 20:20 | its what is holding up my bug 11232 patch | |
| 20:20 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=11232 new feature, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Retrieve facets from Zebra |
| 20:20 | rangi | something like, its interesting you want koha compared against other open source systems. this is perhaps because this is the only thing you can actually reallly do, as with all the proprietary ones, you can't actually see the code, or the schema or anything like that. So you can't actually compare them. I have no doubt tho that in every feature, including security and borrower privacy Koha compares favourably to any proprietary system, Destiny included. |
| 20:21 | pianohacker | What are supervisor and manuals, come to think of it? |
| 20:21 | rangi | probably something in athena |
| 20:21 | this is the problem | |
| 20:22 | people only compare against what they know | |
| 20:22 | its the problem with the rfp process, there is no place to tell them all the things it does instead or as well as those things, so basically the only thing that can fill the rfp is their current system | |
| 20:22 | we run into this all the time | |
| 20:23 | but now its time to do the school run | |
| 20:24 | mtompset | I like what you said, rangi. I think it is a decent reply. |
| 20:30 | wajasu | mtompset: i am stuck with testing my 11232 patch. the Series facet doesn't seem to always show all the 490a for zebra facets compared to the current brute force way. |
| 20:31 | but it might be because of the way the search query is done in "Library catalog" and "Author" selections in main search box. | |
| 20:33 | must be some corner case. | |
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| 20:34 | wajasu | but the 490a shows up if i do a Title search |
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| 20:40 | mtompset | When you get it working and have a test plan that an idiot can follow, I'll test it. :) |
| 20:40 | wajasu | well. i'm making it minimal. |
| 20:49 | pianohacker | gmcharlt: rancor update; still working on fixed fields, but the rest should be ready. New set of patches ready for testing by anyone in the community |
| 20:49 | gmcharlt | pianohacker: great |
| 20:53 | bag | who's going to test them? |
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| 20:53 | pianohacker | Free candy for all testers |
| 20:53 | kmlussier left #koha | |
| 20:53 | pianohacker | Well, not candy. But really nice pictures of candy from the internet! |
| 21:01 | magnuse | pianohacker: did you decide on a good way to adapt rancor to unimarc and normarc? i never got round to talking about that in marseille... |
| 21:02 | pianohacker | magnuse: The initial release will require editing the coded fields verbatim, at least for UNIMARC. I'm working on supporting the XML format used for MARC21 006 and 008; then the UNIMARC plugins can be ported to that, which is to the benefit of both editors |
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| 21:02 | magnuse | yeah, that sounds like a good plan |
| 21:03 | and it means i should get cracking on bug 10997, if i only had the time | |
| 21:03 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10997 normal, P5 - low, ---, magnus, NEW , Modernize value_builders for NORMARC |
| 21:03 | pianohacker | magnuse: I can always just make the widgets for normarc based on marc21 for now |
| 21:04 | magnuse | whaddaya mean "based on marc21"? |
| 21:06 | pianohacker | there's a file called cateditor-widgets-marc21.inc; I can make cateditor-widgets-normarc.inc just import cateditor-widgets-marc21.inc for now, and then we can add widgets for the tags that are different. That way you at least have something |
| 21:06 | * pianohacker | is making assumptions about marc standards, always a good idea |
| 21:06 | magnuse | lol |
| 21:07 | hm, my gut feeling is that it is better not to have "something that is not normarc" labeled as normarc... | |
| 21:08 | what's the timeframe for using the xml? | |
| 21:08 | pianohacker | yeah, probably best to play it safe. Are the two standards similar enough that that might be a reasonable approach at some point in the future? |
| 21:08 | magnuse: very very soon, we're trying to get everything in before the feature freeze | |
| 21:08 | magnuse | yay! |
| 21:08 | when is feature freeze, btw? | |
| 21:08 | pianohacker | end of the monthe |
| 21:08 | magnuse | ooh... |
| 21:09 | marc 21 and normarc share the same 00x fields (well there are some in marc21 that are not in normarc), and the same positions in those fields, but the different codes mean different things | |
| 21:10 | pianohacker | ohhhhh, gotcha... |
| 21:10 | definitely not a good idea to mix them up then | |
| 21:10 | magnuse | so you can have say 008 position 06 be audience, but "a" in marc21 can mean adult, and it can mean teenager i nnormarc |
| 21:10 | yeah, it can lead to confusion rather quickly, i fear... | |
| 21:15 | rangi | mtompset++ #good email |
| 21:15 | mtompset | Thanks. I tried. |
| 21:15 | pianohacker | magnuse: I did implement a solution to your problem with using the editor without pazpar2 in the latest followup, btw. Any chance you could test it sometime soon, please? |
| 21:16 | * cait | waves |
| 21:16 | pianohacker | hi, cait |
| 21:16 | * magnuse | waves to cait |
| 21:16 | pianohacker | I'm just fishing for testers over here :) |
| 21:17 | mtompset | oh right... testing... got distracted. |
| 21:17 | magnuse | pianohacker: i'd love to, but i'm running out of round tuits... |
| 21:17 | cait | :) |
| 21:17 | magnuse | i will have some evenings during easter, i'll see what i can do, but if anyone wants to beat me to it... |
| 21:17 | pianohacker | round tuits? |
| 21:18 | ibeardslee | Can someone get wahanui to give out round tuits for people that need them? |
| 21:19 | cait | +1 |
| 21:19 | pianohacker | oh! I'd never heard that phrase before |
| 21:20 | wajasu | or maybe bitcoins |
| 21:20 | pianohacker | Yeah, I could use a bulk delivery service of those |
| 21:20 | magnuse | hehe |
| 21:20 | cait | subscription? :) |
| 21:20 | magnuse | that would be nice |
| 21:20 | oh, well, time to sleep, have fun #koha! | |
| 21:21 | pianohacker | good night magnuse |
| 21:22 | cait | good night magnuse |
| 21:23 | mtompset | good night, magnuse. :) |
| 21:36 | gmcharlt | mtompset++ |
| 21:37 | mtompset | Thanks, gmcharlt. :) |
| 21:59 | wajasu | i wonder is my new indexes that don't currently exists for index : 0 should be called Subject-to vs su-to or Subject-geo vs su-geo |
| 22:23 | cait | good night all |
| 22:24 | eythian | hi |
| 22:24 | wahanui | kai ora, eythian |
| 22:25 | rangi | need to fix that sometime |
| 22:28 | wajasu | ok. so for a query to succeed, even a zebra::facet query, one must have a result for that index. or else ERROR 25.. |
| 22:28 | probably the same deal with noob with no records | |
| 22:28 | or Suppress | |
| 22:30 | that means i'll have to query each facet index sequentially, upon a ERROR 25. but that shouldn't be too much of a delay. (approx 6 zebra facet queries. | |
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| 22:45 | gml | Hello guys, please someone could help me: Do you know reasons for failing the zebra search by 'callnum'? (other searches such as 'kw' or 'pn' does work normally, but 'callnum' doesn't) |
| 22:52 | I've noticed that callnum searches fail with newly records created with the cataloguing web GUI, but not with the batch-migrated records. | |
| 22:53 | pianohacker | gml: can you find newly created records using, say a title or keyword search? |
| 22:56 | gml | yes I do, just tested title in intranet with advanced search |
| 22:59 | wajasu | i wonder if Local-classification: will work. |
| 23:00 | or LC-call-number | |
| 23:09 | gml | how zebra is updated after a newly record (in biblio or in items) is created with the GUI? this update occurs immediately or by means of a cronjob? |
| 23:10 | rangi | cronjob |
| 23:10 | but if you can find them searching by title, its not a matter of the job not having run yet | |
| 23:11 | and if you can find imported ones, but not ones you have created | |
| 23:11 | then check what is different regarding the callnumber in both of them | |
| 23:15 | wajasu | LC-callnumber 050 vs callnum is Local-classificaiton 952$o i think |
| 23:24 | gml | comparing visible structure differences between imported vs created records, I don't see any ones in biblio.cn_class, biblio.cn_item, or even the ones stored in biblio.marcxml |
| 23:28 | wajasu: at what level can I use LC-callnumber or Local-classification? zebra internal settings files? (I just find something in the koha manual, but I don't know how to use these search indexes in the code) | |
| 23:28 | wajasu | let me see if i can try on my local db |
| 23:34 | huginn | New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 7413: (follow-up) tweak description of the AllowRenewalLimitOverride syspref <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]76ba52e47c83c447d> / Bug 7413: (follow-up) teach renew interface about too_soon <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]9ce83d28f286ee285> / Bug 7413: (follow-up) add direct unit tests <http://git.koha-communit |
| 23:34 | gml | callnumbers stored in 942$h and 942$i can be found through 'callnum'? |
| 23:35 | (I'm working on CCL querys from Search.pm subs) | |
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| 23:37 | wajasu | found callnum in zebra's ccl.properties but haven't had luck finding anything with it yet. |
| 23:41 | i looked in staff client for a book. for marc record cicked item tab. cut full call number, and pasted in opac callnum:BV 3265.3 .I525 2009 | |
| 23:41 | pulled it up | |
| 23:41 | i;m working in master | |
| 23:41 | eythian | wahanui: use strict is <reply>http://wellington.pm.org/archi[…]enberg_strict.jpg |
| 23:41 | wahanui | OK, eythian. |
| 23:42 | gmcharlt | heh |
| 23:44 | huginn | New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 11978 - Fix URLs displayed in OverDrive search <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]a95b81e2a3d7a9ad0> / Bug 9075: Rename "type" to "material type" on OPAC XSLT detail and results <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]9b42f820a0da5b869> / Bug 9075: Rename "type" to "material type" on staff XSLT detail and results <http:/ |
| 23:54 | New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 11734 - Use new DataTables include in batch modification templates <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]5ebb44d563d7ee0f7> / Bug 11711 - Use new DataTables include in circ templates <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]f7314f6c2888f6d71> / Bug 11855: remove unused template file <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=k |
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