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| Time | Nick | Message |
|---|---|---|
| 00:08 | jenkins_koha | Yippee, build fixed! |
| 00:08 | wahanui | o/ '`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`'` |
| 00:08 | jenkins_koha | Project Koha_master build #1673: FIXED in 2 hr 22 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]Koha_master/1673/ |
| 00:08 | Owen Leonard: Bug 11671 - Restructure patron lists add form for improved usability | |
| 00:08 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=11671 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Restructure patron lists add form for improved usability |
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| 01:02 | wizzyrea | syspref changes are tracked in the actionlogs |
| 01:03 | eythian^ | |
| 01:04 | oh nm that wasn't your question | |
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| 01:23 | jmsasse | Hello community. |
| 01:24 | wizzyrea | sup sasse |
| 01:25 | jmsasse | A great thawing. Not fast enough but it's a start. |
| 01:27 | If someone adds a block to a bz item, what does that mean. | |
| 01:30 | Also, has gmcharlt announced feature and string freeze dates yet? | |
| 01:30 | Foe 3.16, that is. | |
| 01:31 | rangi | if its blocks, that mean the patches on the other bug depend on this one |
| 01:31 | if its depends, it depends on the patches from another bug | |
| 01:36 | jmsasse | OK, thanks rangi. |
| 01:47 | rangi, got a minute to discuss permissions? | |
| 01:50 | bag | hola jmsasse and mr rangi |
| 01:50 | permissions jmsasse ? | |
| 01:50 | eythian | hey bag |
| 01:51 | bag | you eythian - great day to you dood |
| 01:51 | yo* even :P | |
| 01:51 | jmsasse | hello bag |
| 01:52 | bag, 3.14 seems to have introduced some redundancy in staff permissions. | |
| 01:54 | set permissions (permissions) vs. (staffaccess) | |
| 01:54 | these appear to do the same thing. | |
| 01:58 | bag | I think they do - do seperate things - like one allows you to even log into the staff side and the other allows you to be able to set staff permissions |
| 02:02 | wizzyrea | ^ |
| 02:03 | anybody heard of extreme slowness related to the new restrictions engine? | |
| 02:03 | bag | yes wizzyrea |
| 02:03 | wahanui | wizzyrea is, like, silly |
| 02:03 | wizzyrea | is there a bug? |
| 02:03 | also hi bag ;) | |
| 02:03 | bag | we saw it pop up last week |
| 02:03 | and we're still trying to test it | |
| 02:03 | larryb spottted it | |
| 02:03 | wizzyrea | 3.14.04? |
| 02:03 | bag | I don't know it he created the ticket yet |
| 02:04 | yes ma'am 3.14.04 | |
| 02:04 | wizzyrea | bother. |
| 02:04 | thank you :) | |
| 02:04 | bag | like 30+ seconds for those with restrictions |
| 02:04 | dcook | "new restrictions engine"? |
| 02:04 | wizzyrea | yeah it's quite extreme |
| 02:04 | must be something new in 04 though | |
| 02:04 | I don't think it was happening in 03 | |
| 02:04 | so that's useful | |
| 02:05 | bag | wizzyrea: it you create the bug - I'll alert larryb to it and maybe he can add some of his findings |
| 02:07 | jmsasse | I'm looking at demos of 3.14.01, 3.15, and my 3.12.10 and seeing very different things in set permissions. |
| 02:08 | yeah, what is the "new restrictions engine"? | |
| 02:10 | wizzyrea | the way restrictions on borrowers are handled is different now, you can now have multiple restrictions, with user defined reasons. |
| 02:20 | dcook | "is jerk" |
| 02:20 | I like it :D | |
| 02:21 | Too bad about the slow down :( | |
| 02:26 | rangi | how do we have a new feature in a maintenance release? |
| 02:29 | ah no, that came in in 3.14.0 the multiple debarred thing? | |
| 02:34 | jmsasse | Is marijuana legal in NZ? |
| 02:34 | rangi | no |
| 02:34 | wizzyrea | yep, regarding the multiple debarred |
| 02:34 | was in 3.14.0 but seems like it's just gotten slow in .04 | |
| 02:35 | the only thing that seems remotely relevant are new indexes on the borrowers table | |
| 02:35 | but... | |
| 02:35 | bag | we've seen the same thing as wizzyrea |
| 02:35 | jmsasse | Those boys in Colorado are serving up some serious buds. |
| 02:36 | I saw a documentary. | |
| 02:36 | Just sayin' | |
| 02:37 | rangi | run the query with explain, it will tell you |
| 02:38 | wizzyrea | ^ was my next step |
| 02:38 | rangi | normally new indexes dont slow down selects tho, just updates/inserts |
| 02:39 | jmsasse | Um, I'm hoping next months bywater update is not to 3.14.04 |
| 02:41 | :-) | |
| 02:45 | rangi | wizzyrea: the indexes were added in 3.14.3 ? |
| 02:50 | bag | jmsasse: it will be 3.14.5 |
| 02:50 | hopefully | |
| 02:52 | rangi | I suspect it has the same issue, as it was released yesterday |
| 02:53 | bag | yup |
| 02:53 | the good thing is that not many are "using"the double restriction yet | |
| 02:54 | so we've only got a very small sample - very small of the problem | |
| 02:54 | larry's got a bunch of notes on it | |
| 02:54 | I'm seeing if I can find them now | |
| 02:54 | but he lost internet for most of today... so he was out of commision | |
| 02:55 | wizzyrea | oh stink for him. |
| 02:56 | well we have at least 2 instances of it now | |
| 02:58 | jmsasse | (putting on my serious hat) staff patron permissions are a big deal |
| 02:59 | IndependentBranches syspref is too restrictive | |
| 02:59 | dcook | Couldn't agree more, jmsasse |
| 03:00 | wizzyrea | @quote get 123 |
| 03:00 | wahanui | http://xkcd.com/1172/ |
| 03:00 | huginn | wizzyrea: Quote #123: "rangi: #thingsihavelearnt if there is a mad scheme a library somewhere will be doing it ... except madder" (added by wizzyrea at 09:20 PM, March 30, 2011) |
| 03:01 | bag | is it just weird that quote is the most useful one and it's the easier to remember.... 123... |
| 03:01 | like rangi were you saving that - for the 123rd quote? | |
| 03:02 | anyways worked out well :) | |
| 03:02 | wizzyrea | just lucky :) |
| 03:02 | @quote get 245 | |
| 03:02 | huginn | wizzyrea: Quote #245: "<jcamins> Noooooooooooo!!!! wahanui! Cut down in the prime of life!" (added by gmcharlt at 11:07 PM, May 02, 2013) |
| 03:02 | wizzyrea | @quote get 234 |
| 03:02 | huginn | wizzyrea: Quote #234: "<oleonard> I was just reading the logs because I didn't know where else to go to find out what to do with an extra half an avacado" (added by slef at 12:59 AM, March 01, 2013) |
| 03:02 | bag | HA |
| 03:03 | @quote get max-num | |
| 03:03 | huginn | bag: Error: 'max-num' is not a valid id. |
| 03:03 | eythian | @quote help |
| 03:03 | huginn | eythian: I'll give you the answer as soon as RDA is ready |
| 03:03 | eythian | @quote |
| 03:03 | huginn | eythian: I'll give you the answer as soon as RDA is ready |
| 03:03 | eythian | @quote get |
| 03:03 | huginn | eythian: (quote get [<channel>] <id>) -- Gets the quote with id <id> from the quote database for <channel>. <channel> is only necessary if the message isn't sent in the channel itself. |
| 03:03 | dcook | lol, love #234 |
| 03:03 | * dcook | wishes that his timezone was closer to oleonard's :( |
| 03:04 | dcook | Or vice versa. Get to the west coast Leonards! |
| 03:04 | * dcook | wishes that you could symlink geographic locations... |
| 03:04 | wizzyrea | @quote help |
| 03:04 | huginn | wizzyrea: I'll give you the answer just as soon as RDA is ready |
| 03:04 | wizzyrea | hrmph. |
| 03:05 | bag | @help quote |
| 03:05 | huginn | bag: Error: There is no command "quote". |
| 03:06 | bag | @quote get #bywater 12 |
| 03:06 | huginn | bag: Error: There is no Quote with id #12 in my database for #bywater. |
| 03:06 | bag | :P |
| 03:06 | jmsasse | I only live by Arnold quotes |
| 03:09 | dcook | Hey, Benedict, or Schwarzenegger, jmsasse? |
| 03:12 | jmsasse | The governor of California, of course |
| 03:14 | "Conan, what is best in life?" | |
| 03:15 | "Crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentations of their women" | |
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| 03:22 | jmsasse | Words to live by, people, words to live by. |
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| 05:27 | dcook | +ok($keycount2==0,'The YOLO framework does not exist.'); |
| 05:27 | mtompset (wherever you are): That is rather amusing | |
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| 06:04 | cait | bgkriegel++ |
| 06:04 | eythian | hi cait |
| 06:04 | cait | hi eythian :) |
| 06:04 | still around? | |
| 06:08 | eythian | for now, just writing some emails before I go. |
| 06:12 | cait | ah |
| 06:12 | so have anice evening :) | |
| 06:14 | eythian | will do, ta :) |
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| 06:46 | dcook | Hmm, I think I just noticed a flaw in advance_notices |
| 06:46 | Or the issues table | |
| 06:46 | wahanui | somebody said the issues table was not used on displaying item. |
| 06:46 | dcook | or all the things |
| 06:47 | By default, advance_notices shows "issue_date" :S | |
| 06:47 | You can change this to due_date, but if you're renewing an item...it won't show lastrenewdate, it will show due_date | |
| 06:49 | Unless there is a bug and due_date should match lastrenewdate... | |
| 06:50 | cait | ? |
| 06:50 | lastreneweddate is the date of the renewal - do you mean that? | |
| 06:50 | different from due date | |
| 06:50 | dcook | Wait, the numbers are merging together...lol |
| 06:52 | You can ignore everything I just said :) | |
| 06:52 | Although advance_notice does default to issue_date when it should probably use due_date instead by default... | |
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| 07:12 | dcook | night all |
| 07:12 | wahanui | goodnight dcook. You'll be back. |
| 07:12 | dcook | Uncle David is going to go enjoy his evening thinking up presents to send his nephew in America. Not sure a boomerang is infant appropriate, but I'm sure I'll think of something. |
| 07:13 | cait | :) |
| 07:13 | cangaroo? | |
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| 07:16 | * magnuse | waves |
| 07:20 | magnuse | bonjour sophie_m - you are early! |
| 07:20 | sophie_m | hello magnuse |
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| 07:21 | sophie_m | I'm not really there, I don't work on thursdays, but I connect to read after |
| 07:22 | magnuse | ah, cool :-) |
| 07:26 | rangi | evening |
| 07:27 | magnuse | kia ora rangi |
| 07:27 | cait | hi rangi |
| 07:33 | * magnuse | wonders if the "use koha under plack for one day in production" experiment will blow up spectacularly or just silently succeed |
| 07:35 | rangi | did you fix zconn ? |
| 07:35 | searches will definitely randomly fail unless you have | |
| 07:36 | and you wont notice | |
| 07:36 | unless it fails for you | |
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| 07:36 | marcelr | hi #koha |
| 07:36 | rangi | because it doesnt log the failure |
| 07:36 | just says no results found | |
| 07:40 | magnuse | ah no, i did not do that, yet |
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| 07:40 | reiveune | hello |
| 07:40 | wahanui | hi, reiveune |
| 07:41 | rangi | eythian found a couple more bugs, but thats about the nastiest one |
| 07:42 | magnuse | known bugs > unknown bugs |
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| 07:57 | alex_a | bonjour |
| 08:04 | magnuse | rangi: i forget - is it this patch? http://git.catalyst.net.nz/gw?[…]86e253cb4dfe04597 |
| 08:05 | rangi | yep |
| 08:06 | thats a slapdash fix | |
| 08:07 | magnuse | ...and it's really just commenting stuff out? |
| 08:07 | rangi | yep |
| 08:07 | so that it makes a new connection for each search | |
| 08:07 | magnuse | ah yes, you said it reconnect for each search |
| 08:07 | * magnuse | seems to remember now :-) |
| 08:07 | rangi | (which is what happends under cgi anyway) |
| 08:08 | magnuse | yeah |
| 08:08 | and it fixes both intranet and opac, since it is in C4/Context.pm? | |
| 08:08 | rangi | yep |
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| 08:11 | fridolin | hie all |
| 08:11 | magnuse | bonjour fridolin |
| 08:12 | fridolin | hie magnuse |
| 08:12 | nice weather here in Nîmes, blue sky | |
| 08:13 | magnuse | @wunder nimes |
| 08:13 | huginn | magnuse: Error: No such location could be found. |
| 08:13 | magnuse | @wunder nimes, france |
| 08:13 | huginn | magnuse: Error: No such location could be found. |
| 08:13 | magnuse | @wunder boo |
| 08:13 | huginn | magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 5.0°C (8:50 AM CET on March 27, 2014). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 87%. Dew Point: 3.0°C. Pressure: 30.42 in 1030 hPa (Steady). |
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| 08:18 | huginn | GERMS!!!! |
| 08:18 | wahanui | i heard germs was http://i.imgur.com/5UfhT.jpg |
| 08:20 | magnuse | kia ora cait and paul_p |
| 08:20 | cait | hi magnuse and paul_p |
| 08:20 | magnuse | rangi: and if the zconn fails you will just get 0 hits? i think i saw that once yesterday |
| 08:20 | rangi | exactly |
| 08:23 | cait | bug 8908 |
| 08:23 | wahanui | bug 8908 is where I reported it, but I don't see a patch. |
| 08:23 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8908 normal, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Starman/Plack hangs when faced with zombie Zebra |
| 08:23 | cait | is that the bug? |
| 08:23 | magnuse | hm, is that the same thing? |
| 08:23 | i don't think so | |
| 08:25 | cait | i don't knwo :) |
| 08:25 | i just fell over it | |
| 08:25 | magnuse | rangi? |
| 08:25 | wahanui | I LIKE ALMONDS! HAVE SOME NUTS! |
| 08:25 | magnuse | hehe |
| 08:28 | rangi | nope |
| 08:28 | different bug | |
| 08:29 | cait | something for eythian maybe? |
| 08:29 | magnuse | ah |
| 08:29 | rangi | this doesnt leave the browser spinning |
| 08:30 | and it doesnt need a zombie process | |
| 08:34 | magnuse | as far as i can see there is no bug for the zconn thing |
| 08:34 | * magnuse | will report one |
| 08:38 | magnuse | bug 12005 |
| 08:38 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=12005 major, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Zebra searches sometimes fail silently under Plack |
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| 08:51 | ashimema | plack testing is really moving again now.. |
| 08:51 | that's great to see | |
| 08:51 | magnuse++ | |
| 08:51 | magnuse | Viktor reports an "kCFErrorDomainCFNetwork error 303" error when he tries to access koha running under plack with safari on a mac. anyone else seen that? |
| 08:52 | * magnuse | is trying to push plack support forwards |
| 08:53 | rangi | does he get that message in the brwser, cos that sounds like a client side error |
| 08:54 | and plack is behind a proper webserver like nginx or apache2 eh? | |
| 08:55 | magnuse | yeah, in the browser |
| 08:55 | * cait | loves to see the cooperation on this and the zebra facets :) |
| 08:55 | cait | andn ow... i have a meeting |
| 08:55 | magnuse | the opac is baing proxied by apache |
| 08:56 | staff is not behind a webserver for this test | |
| 08:56 | rangi | yeah id never do that |
| 08:56 | just fyi | |
| 08:57 | magnuse | yeah, this is sort of a quick and dirty test day, because they are desperate for more speed... |
| 08:58 | rangi | where is the error coming from staff or public interface? |
| 08:59 | magnuse | not sure, i've asked viktor to clarify |
| 09:02 | the main library opens now... | |
| 09:06 | rangi | good luck .. if you get more network type errors i would put the staff side behind a webserver |
| 09:06 | * rangi | is going to sleep |
| 09:07 | magnuse | i'll remember that advice - sleep well! |
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| 09:15 | atheia | Morning koha! |
| 09:26 | magnuse | hiya atheia |
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| 09:54 | magnuse | opl doing cool stuff: http://vimeo.com/68687814 powered by rdf |
| 10:01 | cait | hi ateh |
| 10:01 | hi atheia even | |
| 10:01 | atheia | :-) |
| 10:01 | good morning | |
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| 10:03 | gaetan_B | hello |
| 10:03 | in marc21, the biblionumber is linked to 999$c, but according to the standard it should be in field 001 | |
| 10:03 | is it a problem to change this setting ? | |
| 10:05 | cait | yes |
| 10:05 | gaetan_B | hm |
| 10:05 | cait | well it might work, but it might blow up badly |
| 10:05 | gaetan_B | so a library that want sto have this consistent has to enter it manually in 001 i guess |
| 10:05 | cait | and you'd have to change the index as well |
| 10:05 | gaetan_B | changing the index would be ok |
| 10:05 | but i am afraid of the blow up :D | |
| 10:05 | cait | and for us it would not work - because we have a 001 from the union catalog |
| 10:06 | that could be moved around... but not a quick and easy thing | |
| 10:06 | the bilbionumber is such a central thing... i would be worried about side effects | |
| 10:06 | but hard to tell | |
| 10:14 | magnuse | gaetan_B: see also bug 9921 |
| 10:14 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9921 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, nunyo, In Discussion , Make it possible to force 001 = biblionumber |
| 10:15 | gaetan_B | thanks magnuse, such a long in discussion bug for this point strongly indicates i should leave it as it is !! |
| 10:16 | magnuse | maybe... :-) |
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| 10:25 | cait | Joubu++ |
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| 10:50 | cait | wifi-- |
| 10:51 | drojf joined #koha | |
| 10:51 | drojf | hi #koha |
| 10:51 | cait | hi drojf |
| 10:51 | @karma wifi | |
| 10:51 | huginn | cait: Karma for "wifi" has been increased 0 times and decreased 1 time for a total karma of -1. |
| 10:51 | drojf | hi cait |
| 10:52 | :D | |
| 10:52 | had to reboot for other reasons ;) | |
| 10:52 | cait | ah, it still won't hurt |
| 10:52 | drojf | nope. i am connected to that particular wifi right now, it will be of use later ;) |
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| 11:52 | barton | good morning #koha! |
| 11:54 | cait | hi barton |
| 11:54 | barton | morning cait! |
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| 11:55 | barton | morning meliss! |
| 11:55 | meliss | good morning barton |
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| 11:56 | barton | morning natec! |
| 11:56 | NateC | mornign barton! |
| 11:56 | morning #koha! | |
| 11:56 | * barton | thinks that we might as well do our morning introductions in #koha ;-) |
| 11:57 | NateC | i like it |
| 11:57 | cait | hi NateC :) |
| 11:57 | NateC | hey cait! |
| 11:57 | its like 30 degrees here I'm so ready for spring | |
| 11:58 | barton | I hear you there, natec! |
| 11:59 | cait | @wunder Konstanz |
| 11:59 | huginn | cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 8.4°C (12:55 PM CET on March 27, 2014). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 71%. Dew Point: 3.0°C. Windchill: 8.0°C. Pressure: 29.80 in 1009 hPa (Steady). |
| 11:59 | cait | not 30 celsius, right? |
| 11:59 | NateC | no 30 F |
| 11:59 | meliss | my thermometer says it's currently 17 F |
| 11:59 | barton | cait, *definitely* correct. |
| 11:59 | NateC | really? damn it must be that here then |
| 11:59 | meliss | if not colder natec |
| 12:00 | NateC | @weather 06896 |
| 12:00 | huginn | NateC: The current temperature in Redding, Connecticut is -5.5°C (8:00 AM EDT on March 27, 2014). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 64%. Dew Point: -11.0°C. Windchill: -6.0°C. Pressure: 30.39 in 1029 hPa (Rising). |
| 12:01 | NateC | far from optimal |
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| 12:02 | barton | that's the one thing I never got the hang of in metric... I can handle metric lengths and volumes and such, but temp. is such an intuitive thing... I know what 70F feels like, but I don't have a feeling for anything other than 0C. |
| 12:04 | NateC | yeah when we were in NZ for a month i started to get the swing of it but now its lost |
| 12:04 | * cait | doesn't have any feelings for fahrenheit |
| 12:04 | NateC | i guess i need to go back! |
| 12:04 | cait | true :) |
| 12:05 | * barton | likes chris_n's quit message. |
| 12:06 | barton | temp conversion is hard to do in your head... |
| 12:06 | magnuse | @wunder boo |
| 12:06 | huginn | magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo Vi, Norway is 6.0°C (1:00 PM CET on March 27, 2014). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 75%. Dew Point: 3.0°C. Pressure: 30.45 in 1031 hPa (Rising). |
| 12:07 | barton | @wunder lou |
| 12:07 | huginn | barton: The current temperature in Louisville Bowman, Kentucky is 3.0°C (7:53 AM EDT on March 27, 2014). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 47%. Dew Point: -7.0°C. Windchill: 0.0°C. Pressure: 30.14 in 1020 hPa (Falling). |
| 12:07 | barton | hey, it worked! |
| 12:08 | * barton | wonders if anyone else saw the dbus errors... |
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| 12:12 | barton | chris_n: I liked your 'Coyote finally caught me' message. :-) |
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| 12:15 | oleonard | Hi #koha |
| 12:15 | barton | morning oleonard! |
| 12:17 | oleonard | Hi barton, those librarians keeping you busy? |
| 12:17 | barton | heh. |
| 12:18 | so many librarians, so little time ;-) | |
| 12:25 | nlegrand | Oi! |
| 12:27 | magnuse | oy! |
| 12:30 | barton | oy oy oy. |
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| 12:32 | barton | morning nengard! |
| 12:32 | nlegrand | ^^ |
| 12:32 | magnuse | howdy nengard |
| 12:32 | nengard | hola |
| 12:32 | :) | |
| 12:35 | barton | morning jessem! |
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| 12:36 | JesseM | Morning Barton |
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| 12:38 | NateC | morning edveal! |
| 12:38 | edveal | morning all |
| 12:41 | cait | hi edveal and JesseM :) |
| 12:42 | edveal | hi cait |
| 12:49 | oleonard | gmcharlt are you still interested in investigating bug 11702 or is it a moot point now? |
| 12:49 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=11702 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, RESOLVED DUPLICATE, Can't specify date for automatic resumption of suspended hold |
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| 12:56 | JesseM | Hi cait |
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| 13:05 | NateC | oleonard did you guys get hit with the snow? |
| 13:06 | oleonard | We got a little bit on Tuesday, just enough to make us all feel depressed but not enough to stick. |
| 13:06 | NateC | heh |
| 13:06 | oleonard | NateC: You? |
| 13:06 | wahanui | You are not the first to ask that question |
| 13:06 | NateC | nope just crazy wind |
| 13:07 | and really cold temps | |
| 13:07 | i had a 30 ft tree fall across the driveway yesterday | |
| 13:07 | oleonard | Yikes |
| 13:07 | NateC | yeah and I had nothing but a hand saw and a Jeep with a plow to clear it |
| 13:07 | it was interesting | |
| 13:08 | oleonard | Yeah but I bet you felt really manly doing it. |
| 13:08 | NateC | that i did |
| 13:08 | i felt like i was on the show Ax Men | |
| 13:08 | i even grew a beard for it :) | |
| 13:09 | oleonard | :D |
| 13:09 | NateC | but i really need to buy a chainsaw now... |
| 13:10 | oleonard | My father-in-law went to buy a chainsaw and they told him he didn't want a chainsaw--they're too dangerous. |
| 13:11 | NateC | HA |
| 13:11 | ince | |
| 13:11 | nice | |
| 13:12 | oleonard | Of course he may just look like someone who's likely to accidentally kill himself with a chainsaw ;) |
| 13:15 | NateC | yeah id probably fall into that category too |
| 13:17 | oleonard | Not with that beard. |
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| 13:59 | * magnuse | has an electrical chainsaw - does that count? |
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| 14:03 | francharb | hi |
| 14:04 | rhcl | morning |
| 14:04 | @wunder 64507 | |
| 14:04 | huginn | rhcl: The current temperature in St Joseph, Missouri is 12.1°C (9:00 AM CDT on March 27, 2014). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 67%. Dew Point: 6.0°C. Pressure: 29.44 in 997 hPa (Falling). |
| 14:08 | cait | marcelr++ |
| 14:08 | css-- | |
| 14:09 | oleonard | :P |
| 14:20 | magnuse | feels like i'm missing something obvious here... how do i a print a check in receipt? |
| 14:23 | ashimema | css-- ? |
| 14:25 | oleonard | I'm sure she didn't mean it ashimema. |
| 14:25 | * oleonard | comforts css |
| 14:25 | gerundio | hi, good afternoon |
| 14:26 | anyone around to help me understand authorities in Koha and how to set them up? | |
| 14:26 | magnuse | @karma css |
| 14:26 | huginn | magnuse: Karma for "css" has been increased 0 times and decreased 2 times for a total karma of -2. |
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| 14:27 | * oleonard | hands cait all his old <font> and <table> tags, with a few spacer gifs thrown in. |
| 14:27 | magnuse | gerundio: not me, but have you looked at http://manual.koha-community.o[…]tauthorities.html ? |
| 14:27 | ooh, space gifs! | |
| 14:28 | gerundio | magnuse, I have |
| 14:29 | I don't have any knowledge of authorities whatsoever, so I have some basic doubts | |
| 14:29 | the way I see it, the information for our authorities is already in our biblio records | |
| 14:30 | I was asked to populate author and subject authorities | |
| 14:30 | in there any way to import authorities from the biblio records? | |
| 14:30 | ashimema | ooh.. oleanard. Happen to know if there's a way to re-order datatables upon intial page load via IntranetUserJS syspref? |
| 14:30 | gerundio | maybe I'm completely off here, let me know if I am |
| 14:30 | ashimema | oleonard.. even |
| 14:31 | magnuse | gerundio: i think there is, but i have never used them |
| 14:31 | ashimema | a is nowhere near o on my keyboard.. how did that typo creep in |
| 14:31 | oleonard | ashimema: I have never tried that. |
| 14:31 | magnuse | tabcomplete++ |
| 14:32 | oleonard | ashimema: The DataTables documentation does include examples of triggering a sort through alternate means, so that might be a place to start. |
| 14:32 | ashimema | I try to do as little template customisation as possible now.. those css and js sysprefs are awesome. |
| 14:33 | cool.. I'll have a bash at it.. | |
| 14:33 | maybe even add it to the wiki if I work it out. | |
| 14:34 | oleonard | At least I thought I saw that in the docs, now I don't. Might take some Googling. |
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| 14:46 | huginn | New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 11906: ensure that Koha::Database uses UTF8 mode when connecting to databases <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]e72f35b220cd691b0> / Bug 11906: regression test for using DBIC to store & fetch UTF8 strings <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]08fcb06c67200ab36> |
| 14:49 | cait | lol |
| 14:49 | thx | |
| 14:49 | just trying to make a koha opac look like another website | |
| 14:49 | ... and it's trickx | |
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| 15:00 | jenkins_koha | Starting build #1674 for job Koha_master (previous build: FIXED) |
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| 15:03 | cait | hah! IE and firefox look the same! |
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| 15:34 | cait | yui-- |
| 15:35 | oleonard | I'll join that pile-on |
| 15:35 | yui-- | |
| 15:39 | cait | *sigh* |
| 15:39 | my navigtion keeps showing up in weird places - opacnav | |
| 15:40 | and the facets... | |
| 15:40 | wahanui | the facets are drawn from the records in the search results and are being worked on in bug 11232: http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=11232 |
| 15:40 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=11232 new feature, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Retrieve facets from Zebra |
| 15:40 | 04Bug 11232: new feature, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Retrieve facets from Zebra | |
| 15:41 | jenkins_koha | Starting build #400 for job master_maria (previous build: SUCCESS) |
| 15:53 | drojf | i am getting an endless loop of updatedatabase.pl upgrading to 3.15.00.026, web installer asking to upgrade from 3.15.00.025 to 3.15.00.026 and so on. any ideas why that is happening? (i had the same with my own package of 3.12.12 while 3.12.11 works fine) |
| 15:54 | (must have been a different database number for 3.12, don't remember it though) | |
| 15:58 | cait | an XX left in the pdatedatabase? |
| 15:59 | or a 13 instead of a 15? | |
| 16:09 | atheia | Off the top of your heads, does anyone know a nice reference set of unit tests that I could use to get an idea of good standards? |
| 16:09 | cait | hmm not sure it's ice, but reserves.t has grown a bit recently |
| 16:09 | atheia | Fab, I'll check that out for starters :) |
| 16:09 | cait | i think you want to make sure it uses transactions if it's a db_dependent one |
| 16:10 | i think we haven't cleaned up all yet | |
| 16:15 | oleonard++ | |
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| 16:20 | bag | morning all you alls |
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| 16:26 | gaetan_B | bye ! |
| 16:34 | bag | hey meliss |
| 16:34 | you on the phone? | |
| 16:34 | can we skype | |
| 16:34 | meliss | sure |
| 16:36 | bag | thanks meliss |
| 16:36 | singing in meliss | |
| 16:37 | meliss | singing? |
| 16:37 | bag | HA!!! |
| 16:37 | :P | |
| 16:38 | jenkins_koha | Project master_maria build #400: SUCCESS in 58 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]master_maria/400/ |
| 16:38 | * Galen Charlton: Bug 11906: regression test for using DBIC to store & fetch UTF8 strings | |
| 16:38 | * Galen Charlton: Bug 11906: ensure that Koha::Database uses UTF8 mode when connecting to databases | |
| 16:38 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=11906 normal, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Pushed to Master , Bad display of utf-8 chars in Patron lists (Datatable) |
| 16:40 | reiveune | bye |
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| 17:01 | jenkins_koha | Project Koha_master build #1674: SUCCESS in 2 hr 3 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]Koha_master/1674/ |
| 17:01 | * Galen Charlton: Bug 11906: regression test for using DBIC to store & fetch UTF8 strings | |
| 17:01 | * Galen Charlton: Bug 11906: ensure that Koha::Database uses UTF8 mode when connecting to databases | |
| 17:01 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=11906 normal, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Pushed to Master , Bad display of utf-8 chars in Patron lists (Datatable) |
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| 17:06 | pianohacker | hallo |
| 17:11 | rhcl | hola pianohacker |
| 17:12 | pianohacker | hi rhcl |
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| 17:27 | atheia | 'allo pianohacker |
| 17:27 | pianohacker | Hi alex! :) |
| 17:30 | cait | hi pianohacker :) |
| 17:30 | pianohacker | hi cait |
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| 17:33 | mtompset | Greetings, #koha. |
| 17:33 | oleonard++ # thanks for the catch on bug 7567. | |
| 17:33 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7567 enhancement, P3, ---, mtompset, Passed QA , News by Library: refactor, enhance, and fix |
| 17:36 | mtompset | Split? |
| 17:36 | * wahanui | will provide the bananas! |
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| 18:03 | mtompset | dcook: You didn't publish your comments. |
| 18:03 | (bug 11592) | |
| 18:03 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=11592 normal, P5 - low, ---, mtompset, Passed QA , opac scripts do not respect MARC tag visibility |
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| 18:35 | magnuse | how do i recognize a zombie zebra, if i meet one? |
| 18:36 | rangi | server up, not answering any connections |
| 18:36 | i havent bumped into one | |
| 18:36 | magnuse | ref bug 8908 |
| 18:36 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8908 normal, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Starman/Plack hangs when faced with zombie Zebra |
| 18:36 | rangi | how'd the experiment go? |
| 18:36 | jcamins | magnuse: ps says 'Z' |
| 18:37 | Or maybe it's top that says 'Z' | |
| 18:37 | One of them. | |
| 18:37 | wahanui | one of them is bound to have a good idea ;) |
| 18:37 | bag | @seen johnc |
| 18:37 | huginn | bag: I have not seen johnc. |
| 18:37 | pastebot | "magnuse" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "a heard of zebras after running with plack in production for a day" (9 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/190 |
| 18:38 | bag | hmm I forgot his irc name |
| 18:38 | Dyrcona | jcamins: Think they'll both say Z depending on options. |
| 18:38 | magnuse | bag: HI |
| 18:38 | wahanui | bidet, magnuse |
| 18:38 | jcamins | Dyrcona: ah, that's why I was confused. |
| 18:39 | rangi | magnuse: and that's with the patch fixing zconn? |
| 18:39 | bag | magnuse: HI |
| 18:39 | magnuse | rangi: yes |
| 18:39 | bag | @seen crockett |
| 18:39 | huginn | bag: I have not seen crockett. |
| 18:39 | rangi | interesting, looks like something in the staff side then |
| 18:39 | bag | @seen jcrockett |
| 18:39 | huginn | bag: I have not seen jcrockett. |
| 18:39 | magnuse | <defunct> looks suspicious? |
| 18:39 | rangi | library.nzica.com has been running under plack for months now |
| 18:40 | (opac only) | |
| 18:40 | jcamins | magnuse: yeah, the <defunct> one is a zombie. |
| 18:40 | rangi | we dont end up with a bunch of zebra |
| 18:40 | magnuse | i had nagios reporting more zebras than expected |
| 18:41 | so something is happening there | |
| 18:41 | bag | yeah we've had washoe running opac starman for awhile now too - the only problem we have is with the rss rewrite |
| 18:41 | rangi: is that with apache2 or nginx? | |
| 18:41 | rangi | apache2 |
| 18:41 | jcamins | Apparently the reason I encountered that bug is that I had manually run Zebra rather than using the daemon script for some reason. |
| 18:41 | rangi | cos its doing the staff side normally too |
| 18:42 | magnuse: it will spawn more zebras as things connect, but they should go away | |
| 18:44 | magnuse | i think they have been coming and going, but maybe lingering a bit before going away |
| 18:44 | rangi | that makes sense, timing out |
| 18:45 | this is why having yaz-proxy between koha and zebra would make this a lot nicer | |
| 18:45 | eythian is going to be looking into this i think | |
| 18:45 | magnuse | eythian++ |
| 18:45 | bag | eythian++ |
| 18:47 | cait | magnuse: what did they say about performance? |
| 18:48 | bag | sorry a little late to the convo - magnuse "i had nagios reporting more zebras than expected" was that the -z zebras? |
| 18:48 | magnuse | cait: "check in was fast, check out quite fast" |
| 18:49 | bag: probably | |
| 18:49 | well, a couple times i have seen this: 1049 14139 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? Z 13:31 0:04 [zebrasrv] <defunct> | |
| 18:49 | rangi | checkout does too much |
| 18:49 | thats a pet peeve of mine | |
| 18:49 | all done to librarians who hate clicking | |
| 18:50 | magnuse | (as part of output from "ps aux | grep zebrasrv") |
| 18:50 | rangi | down even |
| 18:50 | bag | checkout does do too much - but we can always add more right :P |
| 18:50 | mtompset | Should you even have a heard of zebras? |
| 18:50 | bag | heh just kidding |
| 18:50 | rangi | 'you must put everything on this one screen cos i grew up with crappy ils software and you must replicate it' |
| 18:50 | bag | magnuse: we use flock on zebra -z |
| 18:50 | maybe that would help? | |
| 18:50 | magnuse | but there was more of these than i expected: 1049 17770 0.0 0.3 100336 6652 ? S 19:33 0:00 zebrasrv -v none,fatal,warn -f /etc/koha/sites/hylte2/koha-conf.xml (which looks like a healthy zebra to me) |
| 18:51 | bag | or I'm missing the point (which happens) |
| 18:51 | magnuse | bag: a flock of zebras? |
| 18:51 | * magnuse | has no clue what flock is |
| 18:51 | rangi | magnuse: there will be more |
| 18:51 | mtompset | magnuse: It's daemon that spawns it, so I don't think the problem is zebra. |
| 18:51 | * bag | hears the lovely music of a flock of zebras |
| 18:51 | rangi | because the perl doesnt die |
| 18:51 | so have to wait for the timeouts | |
| 18:51 | magnuse | perl will never die! |
| 18:52 | yeah, that seems to make sense | |
| 18:52 | rangi | instead of the connection being torn down when perl process ends |
| 18:52 | its mostly harmless, just messy | |
| 18:52 | bag | magnuse: iirc http://perldoc.perl.org/functions/flock.html |
| 18:52 | mtompset | oh, because the perl is waiting on a Zconn that never returns? |
| 18:53 | cait | magnuse: now i am confused, which was faster? |
| 18:53 | rangi | checkin cait |
| 18:53 | magnuse | cait: plack was fast! |
| 18:54 | cait | that makes sense :) |
| 18:54 | * cait | goes to put groceries away |
| 18:54 | magnuse | they felt the speedup on checkin was better than on checkout |
| 18:54 | bag | magnuse: you should add this too Bug 11703 |
| 18:54 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=11703 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Signed Off , Convert checkouts table to ajax datatable |
| 18:54 | bag | and see if that speeds up even more |
| 18:55 | rangi | id test that pretty hard in staging first |
| 18:55 | you want to be sure you dont somehow miss a checkout | |
| 18:55 | bag | I have no clue - haven't tested that with plack |
| 18:56 | rangi | but it should be a good speedup in cgi and plack |
| 18:56 | magnuse | bag: it probably will, but i don't have the time to do much experimenting right now |
| 18:57 | bag | time I wish I had it too :) |
| 18:57 | magnuse | :-) |
| 18:57 | bag | @tell magnuse HI |
| 18:58 | magnuse | @later tell bag: HI |
| 18:58 | huginn | magnuse: The operation succeeded. |
| 18:59 | bag | @notes |
| 18:59 | huginn | bag: I currently have notes waiting for #koha, bag:, bgkriegel, bgkriegel:, Brooke:, cait,, cait., cait:, ccurry, chris_c, chris_n,, chris_n:, christ, cindy, Culiforg:, dcook,, dpavlin:, drofj, drojf:, druthb_away, druthb_away:, eythian:, Genji:, gmcharlt:, hackfesters, hdl:, hdl_laptop:, http://www.ub.uni-dortmund.de/[…]bib/msg48204.html, jcamins:, juan-siera, kf,, khall, khall:, khall_away, km_kale, (1 more message) |
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| 19:00 | bag | @notes bag: |
| 19:00 | huginn | bag: Sent 1 minute ago: <magnuse> HI |
| 19:00 | bag | @notes help |
| 19:00 | huginn | bag: Error: I have no notes for that nick. |
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| 19:03 | magnuse | hiya francharb |
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| 19:08 | francharb | o/ magnuse |
| 19:09 | cait | @notes cait,, |
| 19:09 | huginn | cait: Error: I have no notes for that nick. |
| 19:09 | cait | @notes cait, |
| 19:09 | huginn | cait: Sent 2 years, 13 weeks, 1 day, 2 hours, and 6 minutes ago: <Oak> sent you mail :) as usual, check your spam folder. and Sent 4 weeks, 1 day, 10 hours, and 57 minutes ago: <ashimema> any idea's why bug 8962 got left behind.. I'm looking to do similar, but wondered whether the history meant anything. |
| 19:10 | cait | @notes cait |
| 19:10 | huginn | cait: Error: I have no notes for that nick. |
| 19:10 | cait | @notes cait: |
| 19:10 | huginn | cait: Sent 1 year, 20 weeks, 0 days, 0 hours, and 50 minutes ago: <magnuse> the sushi wasn't any good anywat ;-), Sent 1 year, 19 weeks, 6 days, 10 hours, and 21 minutes ago: <magnuse> looks like my permissions for nb-NO 3.10 are still not quite right, and Sent 9 weeks, 1 day, 11 hours, and 48 minutes ago: <dcook> Yep |
| 19:10 | cait | @notes cait. |
| 19:10 | huginn | cait: Sent 1 week, 2 days, 5 hours, and 12 minutes ago: <mtompset> Thanks for the clarification. |
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| 19:22 | mtompset | That was probably with respect to the one line of code that was wrong on that one patch. :) |
| 19:22 | The one I haven't tested, because I have to do retro-testing to properly test it. | |
| 19:23 | And that takes extra time. | |
| 19:23 | which is why I suggested axing the fix to history. | |
| 19:25 | rangi | ok, off to take the kids to school |
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| 20:03 | talljoy | back |
| 20:14 | wizzyrea | more like "you must put everything on one scream because this daycare mom with 15 children can't be away from my desk fast enough" |
| 20:14 | scream. that's a freudian slip. | |
| 20:17 | jcamins | wizzyrea: huh? I think there must be some bizarre and interesting context for that statement. |
| 20:17 | wizzyrea | screen. |
| 20:17 | jcamins | Ohhh. |
| 20:17 | Right. | |
| 20:18 | * jcamins | is disappointed. |
| 20:18 | jcamins | It was so much better without context. |
| 20:18 | Completely right either way, of course. | |
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| 20:26 | wizzyrea | heheh |
| 20:39 | cait | ok |
| 20:39 | say i was doing this 2 day koha workshop for librarians | |
| 20:39 | ... what would be fun doing with them? | |
| 20:43 | nothing? :) | |
| 21:10 | eythian | hi |
| 21:10 | wahanui | salut, eythian |
| 21:10 | eythian | @notes eythian: |
| 21:10 | huginn | eythian: Sent 2 years, 48 weeks, 2 days, 6 hours, and 39 minutes ago: <cait> forget everything before and answer that question: Is there a bug for the accounting rewrite to which I can link bugs as 2696 Fine payments should show whatwas paid for, Sent 1 year, 9 weeks, 1 day, 0 hours, and 48 minutes ago: <magnuse> kia ora! any news on the funding for the images from multiple sources thing? just curious... :-), (3 more messages) |
| 21:10 | eythian | @notes |
| 21:10 | huginn | eythian: I currently have notes waiting for #koha, bag:, bgkriegel, bgkriegel:, Brooke:, cait,, cait., cait:, ccurry, chris_c, chris_n,, chris_n:, christ, cindy, Culiforg:, dcook,, dpavlin:, drofj, drojf:, druthb_away, druthb_away:, eythian:, Genji:, gmcharlt:, hackfesters, hdl:, hdl_laptop:, http://www.ub.uni-dortmund.de/[…]bib/msg48204.html, jcamins:, juan-siera, kf,, khall, khall:, khall_away, (1 more message) |
| 21:10 | eythian | @notes help |
| 21:10 | huginn | eythian: Error: I have no notes for that nick. |
| 21:11 | eythian | I want to see my three other messages :/ |
| 21:11 | cait | hm |
| 21:11 | it didn't change after delivering the notices | |
| 21:11 | bag | eythian: it's @more |
| 21:12 | cait that's cause the note is really for user = eythian: not eythian | |
| 21:12 | @notes | |
| 21:12 | huginn | bag: I currently have notes waiting for #koha, bag:, bgkriegel, bgkriegel:, Brooke:, cait,, cait., cait:, ccurry, chris_c, chris_n,, chris_n:, christ, cindy, Culiforg:, dcook,, dpavlin:, drofj, drojf:, druthb_away, druthb_away:, eythian:, Genji:, gmcharlt:, hackfesters, hdl:, hdl_laptop:, http://www.ub.uni-dortmund.de/[…]bib/msg48204.html, jcamins:, juan-siera, kf,, khall, khall:, khall_away, km_kale, (1 more message) |
| 21:12 | bag | @more |
| 21:12 | huginn | bag: kmkale:, kyleh, LadyNight32, lducos, magnus, magnus_waffles, manguse, member:libsysguy, mtj:, mtompset:, mtompsett,, mveron, NCAR, nenegard, nengard:, nicole, Oak, Oak:, oleonard:, owen:, paul_p,, paul_p:, rangi:, santy,, Schuster:, sekjal:, seneca:, sjeffrey, slef:, tchoen, tcohen:, thd-away, Viktor:, whoever, wizzrea, wizzyrea,, and wizzyrea:. |
| 21:13 | bag | @notes eythian |
| 21:13 | huginn | bag: Error: I have no notes for that nick. |
| 21:13 | nengard | eeek ... and i forget how to find those |
| 21:13 | bag | @notes eythian: |
| 21:13 | huginn | bag: Sent 2 years, 48 weeks, 2 days, 6 hours, and 42 minutes ago: <cait> forget everything before and answer that question: Is there a bug for the accounting rewrite to which I can link bugs as 2696 Fine payments should show whatwas paid for, Sent 1 year, 9 weeks, 1 day, 0 hours, and 51 minutes ago: <magnuse> kia ora! any news on the funding for the images from multiple sources thing? just curious... :-), Sent 1 (3 more messages) |
| 21:13 | nengard | @notes nengard: |
| 21:13 | huginn | nengard: Sent 4 years, 6 weeks, 0 days, 20 hours, and 42 minutes ago: <chris_n> I submitted a patch for the docbook documentation correcting some invalid markup |
| 21:13 | bag | @more |
| 21:13 | huginn | bag: year, 1 week, 0 days, 10 hours, and 27 minutes ago: <magnuse> do you happen to have any opinions on Bug 9749?, Sent 1 year, 0 weeks, 6 days, 4 hours, and 46 minutes ago: <magnuse> if you should happen to feel like fixing bug 9890 i'll sign off in ~15 hours :-), Sent 50 weeks, 1 day, 14 hours, and 35 minutes ago: <magnuse> i did not report a bug for the version in build-git-snapshot, i just added it as a (2 more messages) |
| 21:13 | nengard | 2 YEARS??? |
| 21:13 | bag | @more |
| 21:13 | huginn | bag: comment on some other bug, Sent 50 weeks, 1 day, 14 hours, and 28 minutes ago: <magnuse> my original comment was on http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9918, Sent 48 weeks, 5 days, 23 hours, and 45 minutes ago: <tcohen> take a look at bug 10084, and Sent 48 weeks, 0 days, 8 hours, and 23 minutes ago: <tcohen> we could do smth like for lang in $(koha-translate --list) ; do koha-translate (1 more message) |
| 21:13 | bag | @more |
| 21:13 | huginn | bag: --update $lang ; done during the packages update |
| 21:14 | eythian | handy |
| 21:14 | magnuse is the main offender :) | |
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| 21:33 | magnuse | huh? |
| 21:34 | eythian | at leaving messages for 'eythian:' rather than 'eythian' :) |
| 21:35 | magnuse | ah |
| 21:35 | oops | |
| 21:36 | eythian | http://www.biblibre.com/en/tags/did-you-know <-- hey, this is pretty good. |
| 21:36 | might have to point that out to some of our libraries. | |
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| 21:38 | bag | ah there he is JohnC |
| 21:38 | what's up man | |
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| 21:39 | bag | hey JohnC do you have skype in your office |
| 21:39 | heya nancyk | |
| 21:39 | nancyk | Hi |
| 21:39 | * cait | waves |
| 21:39 | bag | hiya cait |
| 21:40 | cait | hi bag :) |
| 21:50 | bag | ah JohnC came and left |
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| 21:51 | bag | ah is that john__ = john crockett |
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| 22:30 | pianohacker | hi cait |
| 22:38 | wajasu | is there such a thing as a syspref that is "hidden" from the staff editor? so one could write YAML config there with some custom UI. |
| 22:38 | eythian | I don't _think_ so. |
| 22:39 | pianohacker | wajasu: What do you mean by the second part? |
| 22:39 | wizzyrea | bag, perchance on your very slow borrowers with restrictions |
| 22:40 | do they have expiration dates set? | |
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| 22:41 | wajasu | i was thinking that msaby's facet config UI for YAML could be put in that table. the custom UI would be "secure" and not "free form YAML" |
| 22:41 | pianohacker | wajasu: If you don't have a systempreference in the YAML, it'll just show up in the local use tab |
| 22:42 | wajasu: The most robust option would be either putting it in a separate table with its own admin screen, or adding it as a syspref type to preferences.tt (if the config screen isn't too large) | |
| 22:43 | wajasu: Having it in the systempreferences table prevents you from later specializing the facets by branch, unfortunately | |
| 22:43 | bag | hey wizzyrea larryb was the main man |
| 22:43 | he's popped into channel here - but I think he's on the phone at the same time | |
| 22:43 | wajasu | brainstorming for bug 10891 and bug 11232 (see comment #31) |
| 22:43 | wizzyrea | ah right |
| 22:43 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10891 enhancement, P3, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Make facets customisable |
| 22:43 | dcook | wajasu: The issue with facet config (using Zebra facets) is that not all facets will be set up correctly without massive changes to the Zebra indexing config |
| 22:43 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=11232 new feature, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Retrieve facets from Zebra |
| 22:44 | bag | so he maybe slow to answer your questions wizzyrea |
| 22:44 | wizzyrea | is he still about or gone for the day? |
| 22:44 | * dcook | hopes the building isn't burning down... |
| 22:45 | larryb | sorry, I'm off the phone now. |
| 22:45 | pianohacker | wajasu: Ah, thanks. What are your concerns with security, if I might ask? |
| 22:46 | wajasu | security - i was thinking of bgu 10891 comment 1 |
| 22:47 | pianohacker | ahhh kk thanks |
| 22:47 | eythian | the syspref aspect of that isn't the key part |
| 22:48 | wizzyrea | hi larryb |
| 22:48 | on your very slow borrowers with restrictions | |
| 22:48 | larryb | hey wizzyrea |
| 22:48 | wahanui | wizzyrea is a Cylon, and they all have plans. |
| 22:48 | wizzyrea | do they happen to have debarred dates way in the future, like 9999? |
| 22:48 | larryb | I can't recall for sure, but that may have been the case |
| 22:49 | you aren't going to ask me to remember who that was, are you? I've slept since then | |
| 22:49 | wizzyrea | You can't actually do that in the interface, and sane close dates don't make it slow |
| 22:49 | nope | |
| 22:49 | larryb | define "sane". within 10, 20, 50 years? |
| 22:50 | cait | larryb: if you leave it empty it#s best for indefinite |
| 22:50 | wizzyrea | sane as far as the interface will let you pick in the date picker, which this year is 2024 |
| 22:50 | larryb | thank you wizzyrea and cait. I will test both of those options see if things improve |
| 22:50 | eythian | cait: still, that case should be handled in a way that doesn't make everything really slow. |
| 22:50 | wizzyrea | I think that the updatedatabase, when converting old restrictions |
| 22:51 | set it at 9999 (I haven't confirmed) | |
| 22:51 | cait | i think there is a bug |
| 22:51 | wizzyrea | and when it goes to do date math on that very distant date it takes for. ev. er. |
| 22:51 | cait | it was converted wrongly and should be empty |
| 22:51 | wizzyrea | there is definitely a bug. |
| 22:51 | cait | if i recall correctly |
| 22:51 | eythian | maybe it does something dumb like loop through every day until then |
| 22:51 | wizzyrea | it also should not do that |
| 22:51 | ^^ | |
| 22:51 | eythian | cait: then there are two bugs |
| 22:51 | cait | let me find it |
| 22:52 | bug 11846 | |
| 22:52 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=11846 major, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Needs Signoff , Correct database update for debarments with 9999-12-31 |
| 22:52 | wizzyrea | cool |
| 22:52 | cait | "Set as major because it creates an heavy load on pages displaying this infinite date (using the TT plugin KohaDates)." |
| 22:52 | sounds like a candidate | |
| 22:53 | wizzyrea | yea def |
| 22:53 | we shoudl fix kohadates. | |
| 22:53 | as well. | |
| 22:53 | so it does not do that. | |
| 22:53 | eythian | yeah |
| 22:53 | because it's probably still taking longer than it needs to on more sensible dates anyway | |
| 22:53 | wajasu | dcook: can you comment on bgu 11232 comment #31. i think if we write a UI for facet config, upon save we could generate enriched index configs that are xml included with fallback. |
| 22:58 | dcook | I think that you could've written the comment better :p |
| 22:58 | * talljoy | jumps in late to the debarment talk |
| 22:59 | dcook | It's a bit vague and has too many competing ideas. I think I understand what you're saying but most people probably won't. |
| 22:59 | larryb | wizzyrea, I went back to our site (I remembered) and changed the debarred field to 2022-12-31. Unfortunately that does not seem to have resolved the slow load. |
| 22:59 | dcook | As for the idea... |
| 22:59 | wizzyrea | I would try removing the date entirely |
| 22:59 | larryb | okay |
| 22:59 | NULL or blank? | |
| 22:59 | dcook | wajasu: Actually, I have no idea what you're talking about in this comment |
| 23:00 | Some parts yes, some parts no | |
| 23:00 | eythian | yeah, I suspect something really broken is happening in the date comparison. |
| 23:00 | wizzyrea | null should work |
| 23:00 | larryb | tnhx |
| 23:01 | dcook | On an unrelated note, I love tasty pastry |
| 23:01 | wizzyrea | don't we all. |
| 23:02 | dcook | Probably. But I just ate two and felt the need to share ;) |
| 23:02 | larryb | hmm that's odd. It still took 30+ seconds to load, the restriction message no longer shows on the detail page, but the Restriction tab is still showing a date of 12/31/9999 |
| 23:02 | cait | that's the old default date - i think it might be right... not sure |
| 23:03 | mtompset | @note mtompset |
| 23:03 | huginn | mtompset: Error: You must be registered to use this command. If you are already registered, you must either identify (using the identify command) or add a hostmask matching your current hostmask (using the "hostmask add" command). |
| 23:03 | cait | hm but should show? *confused* |
| 23:03 | did you change both? | |
| 23:03 | mtompset | @notes |
| 23:03 | huginn | mtompset: I currently have notes waiting for #koha, bag:, bgkriegel, bgkriegel:, Brooke:, cait,, cait., cait:, ccurry, chris_c, chris_n,, chris_n:, christ, cindy, Culiforg:, dcook,, dpavlin:, drofj, drojf:, druthb_away, druthb_away:, eythian:, Genji:, gmcharlt:, hackfesters, hdl:, hdl_laptop:, http://www.ub.uni-dortmund.de/[…]bib/msg48204.html, jcamins:, juan-siera, kf,, khall, khall:, khall_away, (1 more message) |
| 23:03 | cait | borrower_debarments and borrowers.debarred? |
| 23:03 | mtompset | @notes mtompset |
| 23:03 | huginn | mtompset: Error: I have no notes for that nick. |
| 23:04 | larryb | not cait, I only changed borrowers.debarrred |
| 23:04 | let me look at borrower_debarments | |
| 23:04 | cait | might be named a bit differently |
| 23:04 | larryb | no, that's it |
| 23:04 | cait | ah cool |
| 23:05 | larryb | Ah yes, it's 9999-12-31 in borrower_debarments, let me change that to NULL as well |
| 23:05 | mtompset | that reminds me of a bug someone was working on. |
| 23:06 | bug 11846 | |
| 23:06 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=11846 major, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Needs Signoff , Correct database update for debarments with 9999-12-31 |
| 23:07 | larryb | cait wizzyrea that did it. the patron loaded in < 4 secs. However, the red "restricted" message is still gone. Do I need an actual date in there? |
| 23:07 | mtompset | NULL means debarred indefinitely. |
| 23:07 | a date means debarred until then. | |
| 23:08 | larryb | understood, but I think our library would object that the red restricted message is gone from right under the borrower name. |
| 23:08 | that went away when I set borrower.debarred to null | |
| 23:08 | cait | hm it should be there i think |
| 23:09 | bag | yeah the green one is gone too |
| 23:09 | cait | larryb: maybe try something on a borrower |
| 23:09 | bag | :P |
| 23:09 | cait | debar a borrower from the gui |
| 23:09 | leave the date empty | |
| 23:09 | only check the debarred | |
| 23:09 | and compar how it looks | |
| 23:09 | compare | |
| 23:09 | wajasu | dcook: we would have a UI that reads facet config from YAML/JSON, whatever. The index names to choose from in a dropdown are populated from the biblios-koha-indexdefs.xml. Upon save, we add the index:0 xml fragments, and write out biblios-koha-indexdefs-faceted.xml. Then use xsltproc to generate biblio-zebra-indexdefs-faceted.xsl, and thus retreival-info-bib-grs1-faceted.xml. Our... |
| 23:09 | ...koha_conf.xml can have an xml include for that retriieval file. So the next zebraidx will have index : 0. And the search zebra facet queries would be driven off of the YAML/JSON. | |
| 23:12 | larryb | cait that revealed it. |
| 23:12 | cait | hi mario :) |
| 23:12 | larryb | here's what happening. when you debar with no date, the borrower_debarments expiration is NULL but the borrower.debarred field is 9999-12-31 |
| 23:12 | mario | hey cait |
| 23:13 | cait | larryb: there you go :) you can blame kyle for that ;) |
| 23:13 | but it made sense, it's like it used to work, guess he didn't want to change it | |
| 23:13 | larryb | so 9999-12-31 is okay in borrowers, but it's NOT in borrower_debarments |
| 23:13 | bag | khall++ #for the baby |
| 23:14 | dcook | wajasu: GRS1 doesn't use XML for its config. |
| 23:14 | wajasu: At least it didn't used to...maybe I'll have to look at that again. | |
| 23:14 | cait | larryb: hope it also fixes your page load |
| 23:15 | * cait | keeps finers crossed |
| 23:15 | larryb | it did for this slow patron |
| 23:15 | loaded in 4 secs | |
| 23:15 | dcook | wajasu: Of course, doing a facet search will fail everytime before a re-index, but that's why you mention trying each facet separately if a all-facet query failed |
| 23:15 | larryb | let me change another to be sure |
| 23:15 | dcook | Maybe |
| 23:15 | bag | dcook: GRS1 doesn't use xml |
| 23:15 | dcook | bag: Good, so I'm not crazy :) |
| 23:16 | I wonder what this marc21-retrieval-info-bib-grs1.xml file is.. | |
| 23:16 | bag | never thought of you as being crazy dcook |
| 23:17 | dcook | bag: This file: retrieval-info-bib-grs1.xml also seems out of place.. |
| 23:17 | larryb | WooHoo. Yes. Removing the date from borrower_debarments.expiration is what corrects the slow load |
| 23:17 | bag | hmm dcook I wonder if that's being used at all |
| 23:18 | eythian | ideally, fixing whatever makes the date comparison so slow should really be what's corrected. |
| 23:18 | bag | dcook: maybe that has something to do with Z3950? |
| 23:18 | eythian++ | |
| 23:18 | dcook | wajasu: GRS1 uses record.abs instead of an .xml file |
| 23:18 | wajasu: Mind you, I think GRS1 is being deprecated soon so it might not matter. | |
| 23:19 | bag: No idea :S. gmcharlt might know. | |
| 23:20 | This looks like a job for git blame.. | |
| 23:21 | pianohacker | @karma karma |
| 23:21 | huginn | pianohacker: Highest karma: "gmcharlt" (56), "cait" (46), and "oleonard" (39). Lowest karma: "windchill" (-3), "yui" (-2), and "css" (-2). You (pianohacker) are ranked 18 out of 140. |
| 23:21 | pianohacker | karma++ |
| 23:21 | bag | @karma karma karma |
| 23:21 | huginn | bag: Highest karma: "gmcharlt" (56), "cait" (46), and "oleonard" (39). Lowest karma: "windchill" (-3), "yui" (-2), and "css" (-2). You (bag) are ranked 15 out of 141. |
| 23:22 | bag | doesn't work here either pianohacker |
| 23:22 | dcook | bug 7818 |
| 23:22 | bag | silly bot |
| 23:22 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7818 critical, P1 - high, ---, robin, CLOSED FIXED, support DOM mode for Zebra indexing of bibliographic records |
| 23:22 | pianohacker | curses, we've been foiled again |
| 23:22 | dcook | @karma eythian |
| 23:22 | huginn | dcook: Karma for "eythian" has been increased 35 times and decreased 1 time for a total karma of 34. |
| 23:22 | * dcook | thinks he's increasing eythian's karma about every day :p |
| 23:22 | dcook | @karma |
| 23:22 | huginn | dcook: Highest karma: "gmcharlt" (56), "cait" (46), and "oleonard" (39). Lowest karma: "windchill" (-3), "yui" (-2), and "css" (-2). You (dcook) are ranked 22 out of 141. |
| 23:22 | pianohacker | did it get reset? |
| 23:23 | dcook | Beginning of the year, me thinks |
| 23:23 | You didn't see the epic thread? | |
| 23:23 | pianohacker | no I didn't, actually |
| 23:23 | dcook | Probably for the best :p |
| 23:24 | pianohacker | dcook: ... what happened? |
| 23:26 | larryb | thank you #koha. you have helped us fix 20K + borrower problems |
| 23:27 | dcook | pianohacker: I can't actually recall anymore :/ |
| 23:27 | pianohacker | but how will I know about the delicious |
| 23:27 | #koha drama? | |
| 23:27 | dcook | lol |
| 23:27 | bag | @karma bag |
| 23:27 | huginn | bag: Karma for "bag" has been increased 12 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 12. |
| 23:28 | mtompset | css is -2?! |
| 23:28 | larryb | @wizzyrea++ |
| 23:28 | huginn | larryb: I've exhausted my database of quotes |
| 23:28 | larryb | @cait++ |
| 23:28 | bag | well thank you all who have given me kind karma's back at all of you alls |
| 23:28 | huginn | larryb: I suck |
| 23:28 | larryb | wizzyrea++ |
| 23:28 | pianohacker | bag-- |
| 23:28 | mtompset | pianohacker: It did get reset. |
| 23:28 | larryb | cait++ |
| 23:28 | dcook | lol |
| 23:28 | pianohacker | 11 is a nicer number |
| 23:29 | larryb | that's better |
| 23:29 | cait | :) thx larryb++ bag++ |
| 23:29 | bag | hey I'm prime again - I can love that pianohacker |
| 23:29 | mtompset | prime numbers are always nicer. :) |
| 23:29 | bag | pianohacker++ |
| 23:29 | pianohacker | woot woot |
| 23:29 | cait | oups |
| 23:29 | bag | oh well cait - you're still pretty damn rad |
| 23:29 | mtompset | @karma pianohacker |
| 23:29 | huginn | mtompset: Karma for "pianohacker" has been increased 7 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 7. |
| 23:29 | pianohacker | I need to pick up the pace since the reset! |
| 23:29 | dcook | @karma dcook |
| 23:29 | huginn | dcook: Karma for "dcook" has been increased 5 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 5. |
| 23:29 | dcook | high five! |
| 23:30 | bag | @karma bag #who gave me the karmas? |
| 23:30 | huginn | bag: bag #who gave me the karmas? has neutral karma. |
| 23:30 | bag | HA |
| 23:30 | @karma bag --list | |
| 23:30 | huginn | bag: bag --list has neutral karma. |
| 23:30 | pianohacker | ah, huginn, the ol' dumb raven |
| 23:30 | as opposed to wahanui, the cocaine-powered raven | |
| 23:31 | mtompset | Does that mean wahanui will be Toronto's next mayor? ;) |
| 23:31 | dcook | pianohacker: If I recall correctly, I think there was some discontent about the stratification of karma, so the people with the most decided to renounce their karmic awesomeness to restore balance to the force. |
| 23:31 | Of course, they are awesome, so their karma will be regained anyway. | |
| 23:31 | pianohacker | mtompset: nah, too coherent |
| 23:31 | dcook: Ah okay :) | |
| 23:31 | bag | windows-- |
| 23:31 | dcook | ie-- |
| 23:32 | bag | M$-- |
| 23:32 | mtompset | which version, bag? |
| 23:32 | dcook | Oh yeah...that reminds me to do a shout out for SLUG on twitter... |
| 23:32 | bag | windows_all-- |
| 23:32 | pianohacker | Now that the previous productive conversation has been *completely* derailed, I'm out of here |
| 23:32 | dcook | lol |
| 23:32 | pianohacker | mtompset: one less than it was before |
| 23:32 | * pianohacker | bows |
| 23:32 | bag | later pianohacker BE WELL |
| 23:32 | oh I wonder if I got that in - in time | |
| 23:32 | mtompset | people_who_use_windows_xp_past_april_8-- |
| 23:33 | talljoy | lol |
| 23:33 | mtompset | html2++ # old school is always best. :P |
| 23:34 | bag | people_who_use_windows_xp_past_april_8-- |
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| 23:44 | wizzyrea | heh |
| 23:45 | bag | hey druthb |
| 23:45 | by druthb_away | |
| 23:45 | bye* | |
| 23:49 | eythian | C++ |
| 23:49 | mario | bye |
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