![http://31.media.tumblr.com/cad[…]1rrx588o1_400.gif](http://31.media.tumblr.com/cad3162e5f133db0827856e4704369f7/tumblr_mq4fzqmpMF1rrx588o1_400.gif){kind=link}
![http://div.libriotech.no/files[…]19%2023-23-21.png](http://div.libriotech.no/files/2014/KohaProfile%202014-03-19%2023-23-21.png){kind=link}
![http://ecx.images-amazon.com/i[…]I/5136WCG9GRL.jpg](http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/5136WCG9GRL.jpg){kind=link}
← Previous day | Today | Next day → | Search | Index
All times shown according to UTC.
| Time | Nick | Message |
|---|---|---|
| 00:35 | rhcl joined #koha | |
| 00:35 | BobB joined #koha | |
| 01:09 | * wizzyrea | is contemplating a koha-get-password command line script. |
| 01:09 | wizzyrea | thoughts? |
| 01:09 | or a koha-get-info | |
| 01:09 | and if it was get info, what info do we want? | |
| 01:16 | dcook | I did something like that on my VM, but why would a person want to do that, wizzyrea? |
| 01:16 | I think I was using it for mysql but there is that built-in koha-mysql now isn't there? | |
| 01:16 | dpk joined #koha | |
| 01:16 | wizzyrea | because you're a system administrator, and remembering all of the flags for xmlstarlet is onerous. |
| 01:17 | because koha-get-password sitename is faster to type than cat /etc/koha/sites/sitename/koha-conf.xml? | |
| 01:18 | dcook | I meant in what cases would a person need to know? |
| 01:18 | wizzyrea | laziness, mostly is your answer. |
| 01:18 | dcook | But I don't do much in the way of sysadmin, so I wouldn't know :) |
| 01:18 | I made a get_password.sh to do exactly what you're describing though :p | |
| 01:18 | wizzyrea | because you want to log in as the supersuperadmin to check on sysprefs for the library |
| 01:18 | so did I | |
| 01:18 | but I was wondering if it should be an included command | |
| 01:19 | for the same reason that koha-mysql sitename is easier than mysql -u -p dbname | |
| 01:19 | dcook | Couldn't hurt. I would be down with it. |
| 01:19 | mtj | wizzyrea, sounds like a handy thing, to me... |
| 01:19 | i often want to dump that info, for a koha | |
| 01:20 | wizzyrea | yea, I was thinking, if you had a get info |
| 01:20 | it could dump all of the most interesting stuff out of koha-conf.xml in a readable fashion. | |
| 01:20 | mtj | koha-info --passwd mykoha |
| 01:21 | dcook | The unix sockets for Zebra would be nice too |
| 01:21 | wizzyrea | yeah, something like that. |
| 01:21 | dcook | Every now and then I want to yaz-client it up |
| 01:21 | wizzyrea | things that have to do with connectivity, users, passwords |
| 01:22 | you'd have to sudo to get it so it's not a security concern (i.e. it's not anything that a user with sudo privileges can't get one way or another anywa) | |
| 01:22 | dcook | Exactly |
| 01:23 | wizzyrea | but really, in response to "why" the answer is "laziness" |
| 01:23 | dcook | I seem to recall there being a quote about how the ideal sysadmin/programmer is lazy |
| 01:24 | That they build the tools to do the work for them :p | |
| 01:24 | wizzyrea | plus the tools, given the same parameters, do it exactly the same way every time. |
| 01:24 | so cuts down on error. | |
| 01:26 | gmcharlt | xml2 < koha-conf.xml | grep '^/yazgfs/config/pass' |
| 01:28 | (for when you don't want to deal with xmlstarlet) | |
| 01:28 | wizzyrea | the one I have does basically that but with starlet ^.^ nice to know there's an alternative though |
| 01:28 | gmcharlt | yeah, phasefx found it recently |
| 01:29 | wizzyrea | you still have to remember the path to the variable you want though |
| 01:29 | and yeah ok you'd remember that after 10 times | |
| 01:31 | also think about the mailing list, and the documentation | |
| 01:32 | which would you rather new users do? | |
| 01:32 | gmcharlt | er, I'm not arguing with you about the utility of a koha-info command |
| 01:32 | wizzyrea | oh, i'm not arguing. |
| 01:32 | ^.^ | |
| 01:33 | dcook | hehe |
| 01:33 | wizzyrea | I just thought of another reason to have it, besides laziness |
| 01:33 | ^ it's up there. :P | |
| 01:33 | dcook | moar commands = moar fun? |
| 01:34 | mtj | those type of commands are really helpful for newbies |
| 01:36 | and make it easier for us to help debug newbies installs, too | |
| 01:38 | i've often thought a tool to check a koha for common problems (like permissions) , would be handy too | |
| 01:39 | # koha-check mykoha | |
| 01:40 | eythian | presumably koha-fsck |
| 01:40 | then koha-unfsck to fix issues | |
| 01:40 | dcook | mtj: We've started building up a monthly "audit" checking for common problems |
| 01:41 | I can't remember the criteria off the top of my head, but mostly...looking for bad records, notices not being set, and stuff like that | |
| 01:41 | mtj | a check for wrong user/pass combos for… mysql or zebra |
| 01:42 | wizzyrea | koha-unfsck makes me giggle. |
| 01:43 | mtj | zebra files that are owned by root, etc... |
| 01:43 | wizzyrea | http://kohadevreactions.tumblr[…]acker-looks-at-an < then it could really be like this |
| 01:44 | eythian | a weekly job that tracks things like records that aren't indexed would be interesting too. |
| 01:44 | mtj | theres a whole bunch of common newbie mistakes that a tool could detect |
| 01:44 | awesome wizzyrea :p | |
| 01:45 | eythian, agreed | |
| 01:45 | eythian | Or just make an expert system that learns symptoms and solutions and point people to that :) |
| 01:46 | http://www.20q.net/ <-- like this | |
| 01:51 | mtj | ooooh, thats very cool |
| 01:51 | …looks 28 questions to get 'software' :) | |
| 01:52 | rocio left #koha | |
| 01:53 | wizzyrea | It couldn't guess mine |
| 01:54 | eythian | It didn't have blast cord. |
| 02:08 | I really really don't like that the packages C4::OAI::* are actually in opac/oai.pl. | |
| 02:09 | I don't see why they wouldn't be split out like normal. | |
| 02:13 | * eythian | also notes that OAI-PMH doesn't respect the opac supression type things. |
| 02:22 | dcook | OAI-PMH pretty much respects nothing |
| 02:23 | eythian: opac/oai.pl also drives me nuts | |
| 02:24 | It might not be a bad idea to define export profiles for the OAI-PMH server. | |
| 02:25 | eythian | what are they? |
| 02:25 | wahanui | they are quite expensive at the moment. i should check that with electricity prices :) |
| 02:25 | dcook | Well, what I mean is just running it through a XSLT before sending it out |
| 02:25 | eythian | ah right |
| 02:25 | dcook | In the case of DSpace, they convert from their internal metadata format to a host of others such as DC |
| 02:26 | It's something we would need to do anyway if we were to become metadata agnostic | |
| 02:26 | Well..maybe | |
| 02:26 | I suppose we already do it for oai_dc in a way | |
| 02:26 | Actually, I can't remember if we use XSLT or the Perl modules for the oai_dc... | |
| 02:27 | eythian | I've not dared to look that deep. |
| 02:27 | dcook | hehe |
| 02:32 | MARC21slim2OAIDC.xsl | |
| 02:32 | That looks like the XSL we use to output oai_dc | |
| 02:34 | So at the moment it will use an XSLT for anything that isn't marcxml | |
| 02:34 | Although only marcxml and oai_dc are available metadataPrefixes by default.. | |
| 02:34 | Heaps of XSLTs look like they're there for other metadata formats though | |
| 02:35 | Btw, eythian: Feel free to separate those packages out. I would test and sign off that patch in no time. | |
| 02:37 | eythian | There's a chance we'll have to do some work on that (making it obey 942$n), in which case I'll do that as its own thing I think. |
| 02:37 | The code seems nice and clean otherwise really though, albeit woefully undocumented. | |
| 02:37 | NateC joined #koha | |
| 02:38 | dcook | Feel free to CC me into those bug reports if you'd like. I would be keen to see that go through as well. |
| 02:38 | Yeah, I don't think there's much to it. Mostly just extending the HTTP::OAI modules so that they work specifically with Koha | |
| 02:38 | eythian | cool |
| 02:41 | dcook | There are a few things that should probably be fixed up with our implementation but...nothing too severe, I think. |
| 02:41 | Some suggestions about how it could support deleted items would also be sweet, but yep...good ol' time.. | |
| 02:51 | irma joined #koha | |
| 02:54 | BobB_ joined #koha | |
| 03:12 | eythian | wahanui: andromeda is coming right for us! |
| 03:12 | wahanui | OK, eythian. |
| 03:14 | dcook | yay tcohen for 3.18! |
| 03:15 | BobB joined #koha | |
| 03:36 | cait-m___ joined #koha | |
| 03:43 | mtompset_away joined #koha | |
| 03:43 | mtompset | Greetings, #koha. |
| 03:45 | * eythian | notes that Nine Inch Nails is playing tomorrow in Wellington. |
| 03:45 | eythian | Also that I have a ticket. |
| 03:47 | dcook | Can't say that I'm really a NIN fan, but yay live music! |
| 03:47 | eythian | I must try to find my earplugs. |
| 03:49 | dcook | A wise decision. |
| 03:49 | * dcook | really needs to remember to 'buy' earplugs. |
| 03:49 | wizzyrea | oooo |
| 03:49 | dcook | I figure being deaf has certain advantages as I get older... |
| 04:10 | mtompset | what? ;) |
| 04:11 | shoot... dcook... what was that bug report that made me think of you. | |
| 04:11 | eythian | Oh no, I think I've just become papa. I just wrote a map containing a ternary operator containing another map. |
| 04:12 | and it relies on a -- along with short-circuit evaluation to determine if it should function. | |
| 04:13 | mtompset | Eeeeew! |
| 04:13 | dcook: bug 11575. | |
| 04:13 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=11575 normal, P5 - low, ---, dcook, In Discussion , OPACBaseURL sometimes set by ENV variable and not system preference |
| 04:13 | pastebot | "eythian" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "that's totally understandable, right?" (6 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/172 |
| 04:14 | eythian | oh, 'cept that @_ should be $_ |
| 04:15 | mtompset | eythian: That's a logistical nightmare to read. |
| 04:15 | dcook | mtompset: Oh? |
| 04:15 | * eythian | passes mtompset a book on LISP |
| 04:16 | dcook | eythian: It's easier to read than some nested maps I've seen |
| 04:17 | mtompset | easier to read still doesn't make it right. |
| 04:18 | dcook: Are you going to move forward on 11575? | |
| 04:20 | dcook | I can't say that it's on my list of priorities at the moment, no. |
| 04:21 | Possibly in the next few months maybe | |
| 04:25 | mtompset | Did anyone notice my question on the development list? |
| 04:34 | Have a great day, #koha dcook eythian wizzyrea. | |
| 04:42 | papa | I fint it cool |
| 04:58 | cait joined #koha | |
| 05:11 | rhcl joined #koha | |
| 06:33 | cait joined #koha | |
| 06:36 | cait | morning #koha |
| 06:42 | paxed | if i type "au:smith pubdate(-2008)" into the mainpage catalog search input, i get "Error: Can't call method "sort" on an undefined value at /root/kohaclone/C4/Search.pm line 426." |
| 06:44 | laurence joined #koha | |
| 06:47 | cait1 joined #koha | |
| 06:47 | pianohac1er joined #koha | |
| 06:48 | * magnuse | waves |
| 07:03 | * cait1 | waves |
| 07:07 | sophie_m joined #koha | |
| 07:07 | cait1 | eythian++ # signing up as packaging manager again :) |
| 07:10 | hm, we still need a lot of rmaints | |
| 07:12 | magnuse | cait++ for signing up as qam again :-) |
| 07:32 | paxed | can anyone confirm that error i wrote about in here? looks similar to bug 9578 |
| 07:32 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9578 minor, P3, ---, fridolyn.somers, Signed Off , Error when search and sort not on relevance |
| 07:37 | reiveune joined #koha | |
| 07:37 | reiveune | hello |
| 07:37 | wahanui | hello, reiveune |
| 07:46 | cait joined #koha | |
| 07:46 | cait | good morning #koha |
| 07:50 | magnuse | guten morgen cait |
| 07:52 | cait | god morgen magnuse |
| 07:53 | magnuse | :-) |
| 07:54 | lds joined #koha | |
| 08:16 | Joubu | good morning |
| 08:21 | cait | good morning Joubu :) |
| 08:25 | magnuse | bonjour Joubu |
| 08:25 | @wunder boo | |
| 08:25 | huginn | magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is -6.0°C (9:20 AM CET on March 19, 2014). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 54%. Dew Point: -14.0°C. Windchill: -14.0°C. Pressure: 29.56 in 1001 hPa (Steady). |
| 08:25 | magnuse | @wunder marseille |
| 08:25 | huginn | magnuse: The current temperature in Realtor, CABRIES, France is 10.2°C (9:25 AM CET on March 19, 2014). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 40%. Dew Point: -3.0°C. Pressure: 30.15 in 1021 hPa (Rising). |
| 08:26 | magnuse | ...and all that lovely cheese. hm... |
| 08:36 | paul_p joined #koha | |
| 08:58 | sophie_m | magnuse: there is some left, and that smells stronger every day :-) |
| 09:08 | Hopla joined #koha | |
| 09:10 | Hopla | hey koha i just updated koha (old-stable and updated perl dependencies only Test::WWW::Mechanize would not update is that a problem ? |
| 09:13 | rhcl joined #koha | |
| 09:15 | magnuse | Hopla: only if you want to run a few of Koha's more exotic tests |
| 09:16 | nothing to worry about for regular use of Koha | |
| 09:16 | sophie_m: yay! ;-) | |
| 09:16 | Hopla | ok :) |
| 09:18 | gerundio joined #koha | |
| 09:30 | nlegrand | hey #koha :) |
| 09:36 | magnuse | hiya nlegrand |
| 09:37 | nlegrand | o/ magnuse ^^ |
| 10:38 | indradg joined #koha | |
| 10:39 | Joubu | cait: what do you suggest for bug 11744? |
| 10:39 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=11744 major, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Failed QA , cancel receipt doesn't work for one item |
| 10:40 | Joubu | cait: to show holds? To raise an alert if an hold exist? To remove the hold silently? |
| 10:57 | paxed | grrh. |
| 10:58 | is there any technical reason not to use unique id for database tables? | |
| 10:59 | cait | sorry phone call |
| 11:01 | paxed | or, when there is a unique id, why not use it? |
| 11:15 | cait | i think alert that the hold will be canceleld (and doing that) would be good |
| 11:16 | and then have an option to back out - yes delete cancel and um no | |
| 11:28 | jwagner joined #koha | |
| 12:02 | mtompset_away joined #koha | |
| 12:02 | mtompset | Greetings, #koha. |
| 12:04 | meliss joined #koha | |
| 12:08 | francharb joined #koha | |
| 12:08 | francharb | morning #koha |
| 12:17 | oleonard joined #koha | |
| 12:18 | oleonard | Hi #koha |
| 12:20 | * cait | waves |
| 12:21 | * paxed | hits C4/Reserves.pm with a hammer. |
| 12:22 | * oleonard | hands paxed a bigger hammer |
| 12:23 | paxed | yes, indeed, i do need one. |
| 12:23 | * mtompset | sprinkles the hammer with holy water. |
| 12:23 | * paxed | grumbles something about having a unique id in the table... and then not using it. |
| 12:24 | mtompset | paxed: You have to think of development as on going.... |
| 12:24 | oleonard | paxed: reserveid? That was added fairly recently. |
| 12:24 | mtompset | perhaps it started without one. |
| 12:24 | paxed | mtompset: there is no reason to create a table without a uid column. |
| 12:25 | mtompset | paxed: I agree, but just because something makes sense does not mean that is the way it is coded. |
| 12:26 | paxed | i'd like to hit the person who coded it with the hammer. |
| 12:26 | mtompset | Remember, not everyone in the Koha community are pure coders, just as not everyone is a pure librarian. We're a mongrel bunch. :) |
| 12:27 | * mtompset | enchants the hammer to only be solid against code, but nerf against people. ;) |
| 12:27 | paxed | sure, but not everyone has commit access, and those who do, should know better. |
| 12:28 | oleonard | Since there is 14+ years of Koha history it's better not to get angry about decisions that were made a long time ago, especially when the evidence shows that people are trying to make it better. |
| 12:28 | mtompset | I'm with oleonard on this. :) |
| 12:29 | paxed | ok, i'll phrase it as: there was no reason to create a db table with no uid 15 years ago. |
| 12:29 | hopefully whoever did that has learned a bit since then. | |
| 12:30 | mtompset | @seen khall |
| 12:30 | huginn | mtompset: khall was last seen in #koha 1 week, 0 days, 21 hours, 48 minutes, and 1 second ago: <khall> also, I like the icon |
| 12:31 | oleonard | paxed: patches are always welcome. |
| 12:31 | paxed | oleonard: why do you think i'm cursing this code? |
| 12:31 | petter joined #koha | |
| 12:31 | mtompset | Good for working on a patch. :) |
| 12:31 | petter | Hello #koha |
| 12:31 | magnuse | kia ora petter! |
| 12:31 | petter | hei hei! |
| 12:33 | Are there any plans to bootstrapify the staff interface as well? | |
| 12:34 | jsut curious | |
| 12:34 | oleonard | petter: No immediate plans because it's such a big task |
| 12:34 | petter | ok |
| 12:35 | oleonard | It would be nice to have a framework in place to make the staff client more mobile-friendly, but... So many templates. |
| 12:35 | petter | yea, I dont know if i would use the staff interface on mobile myself |
| 12:35 | I agree it would be a giant task | |
| 12:36 | oleonard | I do from time to time: Consulting the holds queue while walking through the stacks for instance, looking at title information. |
| 12:36 | It would be worthwhile to choose certain pages to make mobile-friendly while leaving other things as they are. | |
| 12:37 | mtompset | Have a great day, #koha. -- EXERCISE! |
| 12:38 | petter | Yes. I was also thinking about the "reusable component" which a framework like bootstrap allows |
| 12:38 | like modal windows | |
| 12:38 | dropdowns | |
| 12:38 | wahanui | dropdowns are great for preventing typos. |
| 12:38 | tcohen joined #koha | |
| 12:38 | petter | right |
| 12:38 | talljoy joined #koha | |
| 12:40 | nengard joined #koha | |
| 12:41 | oleonard | Good morning tcohen, talljoy, nengard |
| 12:41 | nengard | morning oleonard!! |
| 12:42 | I used your bootstrap tab tutorial the other day :) | |
| 12:42 | thanks so much for that | |
| 12:42 | talljoy | morning oleonard! |
| 12:43 | oleonard | nengard: Sure. If you have common problems that you think I should address please let me know. |
| 12:44 | nengard | I do have one. The 'powered by' at the bottom. People seemed to like it as the Koha logo instead of having the logo in the top left, I tried to do it on my own but it was a spectacular disaster |
| 12:44 | so if you want to do another post in the future, I'd love to know how to make that powered by a Koha logo (linked to Koha's site) | |
| 12:47 | marcelr joined #koha | |
| 12:48 | oleonard | nengard: So people ask for the Koha logo at the top to go away, or be replaced by something else? |
| 12:49 | nengard | i've only trained a couple libraries so far on bootstrap - but yes, go away seems to be the request because theyw ant their logo (in the header) to be prominent - and they still want to give Koha credit of course but at the bottom in the 'powered by' statement as a logo instead of text |
| 12:50 | oleonard | Do they want their logo to replace the Koha logo at the top? It's so small. |
| 12:52 | nengard | nope |
| 12:52 | they just want nothing up there | |
| 12:52 | they will use the header (like you suggest) for their logo | |
| 12:53 | oleonard | I guess having nothing is feasible since there is now a consistent breadcrumbs menu |
| 12:53 | nengard | So it goes like this: 1. hide Koha logo at top, 2. Add library logo to header (which you showed) 3. update powered by at bottom to have Koha logo instead of 'Koha' words |
| 12:53 | Or: | |
| 12:53 | 1. hide koha logo at top when it's a logo, but leave it there as the home icon - if having the home icon is a concern | |
| 12:53 | I did try that too | |
| 12:54 | oleonard | breadcrumbs don't appear below a certain pixel width, so a home link is needed then. |
| 13:01 | nengard | So then my alternate option - show the home icon, but not the Koha Logo at the top |
| 13:01 | tcohen | morning #koha |
| 13:01 | francharb joined #koha | |
| 13:06 | NateC joined #koha | |
| 13:11 | cait | nengard: wait a sec |
| 13:11 | i think 952$2 is right | |
| 13:11 | nengard | 952$2 is right |
| 13:11 | wahanui | i already had it that way, nengard. |
| 13:11 | cait | ah :) |
| 13:11 | nengard | she says it says 942$2 |
| 13:11 | which is wrong | |
| 13:11 | but I don't know what documentation she means | |
| 13:11 | because the manual is right :) | |
| 13:11 | cait | ah i misread |
| 13:12 | * cait | stops writing an email |
| 13:12 | nengard | hehe |
| 13:12 | cait | i guess today is a 'no sql updates on production databases' kind of day |
| 13:12 | nengard | LOL |
| 13:12 | Mine was Monday | |
| 13:12 | cait | today is terrible :( |
| 13:13 | * nengard | sends cait a virtual cookie |
| 13:13 | cait | aw thx :) |
| 13:15 | nengard: i think both are probably kind of right - as we do have 942$2 as well... but I am not sure it is used | |
| 13:15 | http://git.koha-community.org/[…]42b9624cbfe652a61 | |
| 13:15 | but i found the help page | |
| 13:15 | nengard | wow! how is it that i have never updated taht? |
| 13:15 | that | |
| 13:15 | will report bug and fix right now | |
| 13:16 | thanks cait | |
| 13:16 | cait | hm bug 6939 |
| 13:16 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6939 normal, P5 - low, ---, colin.campbell, CLOSED FIXED, DefaultClassificationSource not used in 942$2 |
| 13:16 | cait | nengard: at least searching is unlike to break something :) |
| 13:17 | Dyrcona joined #koha | |
| 13:17 | sophie_m | QA team, would it be possible to have a look at bug 9593. It's a serious pb for some of our customers. Thx |
| 13:17 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9593 normal, P5 - low, ---, sophie.meynieux, Signed Off , Prices not imported correctly from a staged file |
| 13:20 | cait | sophie_m: not sure when I will get to it :( It not one of the quick and fast ones I suspect. khall is probably not going to be around for a while, but I will see what I can do |
| 13:22 | JesseM joined #koha | |
| 13:23 | nengard | typo fixed |
| 13:24 | kivilahtio joined #koha | |
| 13:26 | kivilahtio | do you have issues with cpan HTTPD::Bench::ApacheBench ? |
| 13:26 | sophie_m | thanx cait |
| 13:28 | kivilahtio | hmm, I was missing a c compiler :) |
| 13:29 | jenkins_koha | Starting build #30 for job Koha_Docs_3.14.x (previous build: SUCCESS) |
| 13:29 | Project Koha_Docs_3.14.x build #30: SUCCESS in 23 sec: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]a_Docs_3.14.x/30/ | |
| 13:29 | Nicole C. Engard: update classification sources | |
| 13:39 | Starting build #51 for job Koha_Docs_3.12.x (previous build: SUCCESS) | |
| 13:39 | Project Koha_Docs_3.12.x build #51: SUCCESS in 20 sec: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]a_Docs_3.12.x/51/ | |
| 13:39 | Nicole C. Engard: update classification sources | |
| 13:41 | Starting build #76 for job Koha_Docs_3.10.x (previous build: SUCCESS) | |
| 13:41 | Project Koha_Docs_3.10.x build #76: SUCCESS in 23 sec: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]a_Docs_3.10.x/76/ | |
| 13:41 | Nicole C. Engard: update classification sources | |
| 13:45 | Starting build #457 for job Koha_Docs (previous build: SUCCESS) | |
| 13:45 | Project Koha_Docs build #457: SUCCESS in 24 sec: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]ob/Koha_Docs/457/ | |
| 13:45 | * Nicole C. Engard: update classification sources | |
| 13:45 | * Nicole C. Engard: update author info for matching rules | |
| 13:45 | * Nicole C. Engard: update firefox plugin author info | |
| 13:45 | * Nicole C. Engard: update bibliographic cheat sheet author info | |
| 13:45 | * Nicole C. Engard: fix search guide author info | |
| 13:45 | * Nicole C. Engard: update sopac author info | |
| 13:45 | * Nicole C. Engard: update SRU author info | |
| 13:45 | * Nicole C. Engard: update excel immport author info | |
| 13:45 | * Nicole C. Engard: update custom logo author | |
| 13:45 | * Nicole C. Engard: update amazon lookup author info | |
| 13:45 | * Nicole C. Engard: update easyanalytics author info | |
| 13:45 | magnuse | nengard++ |
| 13:45 | nengard | :) |
| 13:45 | doing a bit of catching up | |
| 13:46 | magnuse | better late than never! :_ |
| 13:46 | :-) | |
| 13:46 | jenkins_koha | Starting build #31 for job Koha_Docs_3.14.x (previous build: SUCCESS) |
| 13:47 | Project Koha_Docs_3.14.x build #31: SUCCESS in 12 sec: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]a_Docs_3.14.x/31/ | |
| 13:47 | * Nicole C. Engard: update author info for matching rules | |
| 13:47 | * Nicole C. Engard: update firefox plugin author info | |
| 13:47 | * Nicole C. Engard: update bibliographic cheat sheet author info | |
| 13:47 | * Nicole C. Engard: fix search guide author info | |
| 13:47 | * Nicole C. Engard: update sopac author info | |
| 13:47 | * Nicole C. Engard: update SRU author info | |
| 13:47 | * Nicole C. Engard: update excel immport author info | |
| 13:47 | * Nicole C. Engard: update custom logo author | |
| 13:47 | * Nicole C. Engard: update amazon lookup author info | |
| 13:47 | * Nicole C. Engard: update easyanalytics author info | |
| 13:55 | smrt joined #koha | |
| 14:02 | maximep joined #koha | |
| 14:03 | magnuse | anyone got a nice, simple, free software, javascript chart library they can recommend? |
| 14:04 | NateC joined #koha | |
| 14:06 | petter | http://omnipotent.net/jquery.sparkline/#s-about |
| 14:06 | jcamins | magnuse: d3? Flot? |
| 14:06 | petter | d3 is not exacly simple, but very powerfull! |
| 14:06 | jcamins | True. |
| 14:10 | magnuse | yeah d3 looked like a bit of overkill, but it's certainly on my todo list... |
| 14:28 | rocio joined #koha | |
| 14:32 | mtompset_away joined #koha | |
| 14:32 | kivilahtio | Is anyone using memcached with koha? |
| 14:32 | I havent seen a koha module yet to actually use memcached | |
| 14:32 | is it called anywhere from code? | |
| 14:32 | petter | I think its just used as session store |
| 14:32 | mtompset | Greetings, #koha. |
| 14:33 | kivilahtio | thanks petter |
| 14:33 | mtompset | git grep -i memcache |
| 14:39 | kivilahtio | mtompset: thanks! I wonder why memcached is even an optional part of Koha? It should be a mandatory part of Koha :) |
| 14:40 | mtompset | Because it would be yet another thing to configure. |
| 14:41 | kivilahtio | mtompset: hmm that's true. |
| 14:42 | mtompset | And a DB setup and Apache configuration is complex enough. Too complex for some. |
| 14:42 | kivilahtio | mtompset: checking for memcahced in code is just nasty, but one can capsulate those checks under the api |
| 14:42 | mtompset: I understand. Thanks for helping me out! | |
| 14:43 | * magnuse | uses memcached |
| 14:43 | magnuse | petter: it's not just for sessions |
| 14:44 | not sure how to get an overview of what it is used for, though | |
| 14:44 | mtompset | That's why I mentioned the git grep, magnuse. :) |
| 14:44 | petter | magnus: ok! |
| 14:44 | what else? | |
| 14:44 | I havent rellay looked into it, | |
| 14:44 | I enabled memcached and did some benchmarks | |
| 14:44 | No big difference | |
| 14:44 | but i heard if you have many active sessions it can help you out | |
| 14:46 | kivilahtio | petter: git grep -i memcache :) |
| 14:46 | petter | hehe, thanks! |
| 14:46 | But I'm lazy | |
| 14:46 | I want you guys to explain! | |
| 14:46 | magnuse | :-) |
| 14:47 | oops, https://github.com/digibib/kohaprofile now saves data in mysql and displays them in a Dancer app. work in progress, patches welcome! :-) | |
| 14:48 | cait | kivilahtio: look for the Koha::Cache bug |
| 14:48 | kivilahtio | petter: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=upcvR-39myE There is no rest for the wicked |
| 14:48 | :) | |
| 14:48 | cait | kivilahtio: there are some things in the code that could use memcache, but in my experience it's still a bit experimental, apart from sessions maybe |
| 14:49 | kivilahtio | cait: thanks |
| 14:49 | cait: I'll deploy memcached and try to use it in my further dev-work | |
| 14:49 | it doesnt look like it is used for much. | |
| 14:50 | cait | one of the problems i had was that changes to the frameworks wouldn't show up immediatley |
| 14:50 | kivilahtio | xcept SQLHelper which "might" automatically pull from cache primary keys |
| 14:51 | and column stuff, where SQL helper is used (not very oftern :) | |
| 14:51 | cait | i think ther is a bug for making sqlhelper die too :) |
| 14:51 | jcamins | As an aside, the memoize_memcached used by SQLHelper is massively buggy. |
| 14:51 | kivilahtio | jcamins: So i might be better off not using memcached? |
| 14:51 | jcamins | As an additional aside, memoize is just a bad idea all around. |
| 14:51 | cait | hm was that the module tcohen is maintaining now? |
| 14:52 | jcamins | cait: oh, was he? That'd be nice. |
| 14:52 | cait | i thought i remembered something like that |
| 14:52 | kivilahtio | ok ,no memcached for our production :( |
| 14:52 | jcamins | Yup. Cool! |
| 14:52 | cait | ah you were faster :) i was still searching - where did you find it? |
| 14:52 | jcamins | So memoize_memcached 0.04 should work fine. |
| 14:53 | http://search.cpan.org/~tcohen/ | |
| 14:53 | cait | ah , had the wrong name then :) |
| 14:53 | jcamins | I mean, it's still a bad idea, but at least it doesn't hurt performance. |
| 14:53 | kivilahtio | haha |
| 14:53 | thats a marketing speech for a cache | |
| 14:54 | jcamins | memoize is appropriate for repeated math, not for data access. |
| 14:54 | petter | hm, yea, you would need some way to invalidate the cache when you update your data |
| 14:55 | jcamins | petter: exactly. |
| 14:55 | * cait | nods |
| 14:55 | cait | otherwise it turns out rather confusing |
| 14:55 | hm quite confusing? | |
| 14:56 | jcamins | Hehe. |
| 14:56 | kivilahtio | cait: yes |
| 14:56 | I don't want any hard to track behaviour here | |
| 14:56 | I guess I will be way over my head anyway | |
| 14:56 | tgoatley joined #koha | |
| 15:14 | kivilahtio | is it possible to use unixsockets to communicate between mysql and koha? |
| 15:14 | mysql <-> perl | |
| 15:14 | mtompset | Why are you asking that? |
| 15:15 | Do you think the DBI library is poorly written? | |
| 15:15 | petter | I would guess that's what DBI is using |
| 15:15 | mtompset | me too, petter, me too. :) |
| 15:16 | petter | if you are on the same machine that is |
| 15:16 | At least its capable of doing it | |
| 15:16 | http://www.cs.wcupa.edu/docs/m[…]nfo/perl_dbi.html | |
| 15:16 | kivilahtio | my issues is that I have two containers, which have a hsared partition for unix sockets |
| 15:17 | koha container -> shared socket partition <- mariadb container | |
| 15:17 | so koha and mariadb dont work in the same namespace but could communicate via a unix-socket | |
| 15:17 | this way I don't have to generate TCP packets | |
| 15:19 | petter | You could maybe try modify sub _new_dbh in Context.pm |
| 15:20 | kivilahtio | I could |
| 15:20 | jcamins | kivilahtio: it would require changing the connection string. But I would suspect that the overhead is probably insignificant compared to other things Koha does. |
| 15:20 | kivilahtio | :) |
| 15:20 | jcamins: good point | |
| 15:20 | petter | I think so too, probably not worth it |
| 15:20 | Rarther, lets get Plack to work! | |
| 15:20 | jcamins | But if you think it might be, test test test. |
| 15:22 | rhcl joined #koha | |
| 15:25 | petter | hm, actually it might be quite a bit to gain |
| 15:26 | indradg joined #koha | |
| 15:26 | petter | check this |
| 15:26 | http://momjian.us/main/blogs/p[…].html#June_6_2012 | |
| 15:26 | its the postgress maintainer | |
| 15:26 | measuring, udp to be 33% percent faster than TCP | |
| 15:27 | sorry, not udp, menat unix-domain-socket | |
| 15:27 | kivilahtio | koha makes a HUGE amount of database queries |
| 15:27 | jcamins | petter: an Apache process is started and the entirety of the Koha codebase is loaded on every connection... |
| 15:31 | petter | jcamins: yes. There are some inherit limitations in the cgi-model I guess. If it was an in-memory process we could reuse connections |
| 15:33 | Anyway, I have some hopes that if we get a working Plack configuration we could see quite a boost | |
| 15:35 | ok, time to go out in the sun | |
| 15:35 | see you folks! | |
| 15:35 | paul_p joined #koha | |
| 15:35 | oleonard | @wunder 45701 |
| 15:35 | huginn | oleonard: The current temperature in Windy Ridge, Athens, Ohio is 10.9°C (11:35 AM EDT on March 19, 2014). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 75%. Dew Point: 7.0°C. Pressure: 29.90 in 1012 hPa (Steady). |
| 15:35 | oleonard | No sun here. |
| 15:36 | rhcl | @wunder 64507 |
| 15:36 | huginn | rhcl: The current temperature in Wyatt Park, St Joseph, Missouri is 3.2°C (10:36 AM CDT on March 19, 2014). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 71%. Dew Point: -2.0°C. Windchill: 1.0°C. Pressure: 30.08 in 1019 hPa (Rising). |
| 15:45 | nengard | @wunder 78741 |
| 15:45 | huginn | nengard: The current temperature in Huston-Tillotson Environmental Studies, Austin, Texas is 14.3°C (10:39 AM CDT on March 19, 2014). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 37%. Dew Point: -1.0°C. Pressure: 30.13 in 1020 hPa (Rising). |
| 15:45 | nengard | Loving it :) |
| 15:47 | rhcl | why do I always have to be at the coldest spot on the planet? Why can't I be warmer than Athens, Ohio just once? |
| 15:47 | mtompset | @wunder l7e 5y5 |
| 15:47 | huginn | mtompset: The current temperature in Schomberg, Ontario is 2.7°C (11:47 AM EDT on March 19, 2014). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 74%. Dew Point: -1.0°C. Windchill: 3.0°C. Pressure: 29.83 in 1010 hPa (Falling). |
| 15:48 | nengard | eek |
| 15:48 | rhcl | I mean, I don't expect to live in a tropical paradise like nengard and druthb, but just warm would be nice |
| 15:48 | nengard | LOL |
| 15:48 | hey, we had a cold winter here in paradise | |
| 15:48 | mtompset | Just had to point out it was colder here. :) |
| 15:48 | nengard | freeze warnings all over the place and ice storms |
| 15:48 | rhcl | barely, and you are 39 more lattitude lines north |
| 15:48 | jcamins | OH MY GOD! THERE WAS SOME ICE! |
| 15:48 | nengard | LOL |
| 15:49 | it's a bit nuts, but when you don't have the infrastructure to handle it it makes sense - they don't insulate their pipes here like they did back home | |
| 15:49 | and so they freeze easy so everyone makes a big fuss when it gets cold | |
| 15:49 | in fact the pipes in our new house burst cause there wasn't any heat yet - of course it's not our house yet so they had to fix that :) | |
| 15:50 | webinar time for me | |
| 15:50 | ttyl | |
| 15:54 | * druthb | perks |
| 15:54 | druthb | tropical paradise? oh, yes, I'm wearing a sleeveless blouse today. :) |
| 15:54 | Be jealous. | |
| 15:55 | mtompset | It may be freezing, but I'm wearing a short sleeve shirt... just not outside. ;) |
| 16:00 | rhcl | Well, I'm sitting here rubbing my hands together over my computer wishing it had a 1000 watt power supply instead of just 550. |
| 16:01 | cait | that reminds me of that comic... |
| 16:02 | can't find the right xkcd :( | |
| 16:02 | ah this one.. https://xkcd.com/1172/ | |
| 16:02 | reiveune | bye |
| 16:02 | reiveune left #koha | |
| 16:03 | rhcl | that is appropriate! |
| 16:09 | mtompset | paxed: Oh yes! Love that patch for 11885... It's so elegant. |
| 16:09 | cait | bug 11885 |
| 16:09 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=11885 normal, P5 - low, ---, pasi.kallinen, Needs Signoff , Inconsistent HTML in MARC Details |
| 16:10 | mtompset | I'm just in the midst of signing it off. |
| 16:12 | Ooo... minor thing. | |
| 16:12 | Missing a - that was there before. | |
| 16:13 | paxed | as i noted in the bug description. |
| 16:15 | mtompset | and there it is. Great! |
| 16:16 | Also... is an IF around the description necessary? What's wrong with a blank span? | |
| 16:17 | Hmm... if you don't have a tag, can you even have indicators or a description? | |
| 16:18 | I'll sign off... but perhaps there is a tighter optimization possible. | |
| 16:18 | paxed | i was more aggravated by impossible css styling. |
| 16:19 | oleonard | Isn't avoiding unnecessary markup a form of optimization? |
| 16:24 | mtompset | oleonard: But the markup should be consistent between tabs. |
| 16:25 | AmitG joined #koha | |
| 16:25 | AmitG | hi |
| 16:25 | mtompset | paxed made them consistent by turning the tab draws into a single subroutine. |
| 16:25 | AmitG | alex around |
| 16:25 | mtompset | It was so beautiful, I almost cried. |
| 16:26 | oleonard | @seen alex |
| 16:26 | huginn | oleonard: I have not seen alex. |
| 16:28 | cait | oleonard: which alex are you looking for? |
| 16:29 | oleonard | cait: That was for AmitG who is looking for an alex |
| 16:29 | cait | ah |
| 16:29 | AmitG | hi cait |
| 16:29 | cait | i think we have different alex...s but with other nicks |
| 16:30 | AmitG | alex biblibre |
| 16:30 | cait | hm alex_a i think |
| 16:30 | @seeen alex_a | |
| 16:30 | huginn | cait: downloading the Perl source |
| 16:31 | cait | @seen alex_a |
| 16:31 | huginn | cait: alex_a was last seen in #koha 1 week, 2 days, 7 hours, 38 minutes, and 51 seconds ago: <alex_a> hello |
| 16:31 | AmitG | @seen AmitG |
| 16:31 | huginn | AmitG: AmitG was last seen in #koha 1 minute and 6 seconds ago: <AmitG> alex biblibre |
| 16:31 | druthb | hm. |
| 16:31 | @seen jdavidb | |
| 16:31 | huginn | druthb: jdavidb was last seen in #koha 2 years, 17 weeks, 6 days, 20 hours, 37 minutes, and 57 seconds ago: <jdavidb> I'm just here to confuse you. |
| 16:31 | druthb | damn. |
| 16:32 | I'm surprised it remembers. | |
| 16:32 | jcamins | druthb: I'm confused... |
| 16:32 | AmitG | hi |
| 16:32 | wahanui | salut, AmitG |
| 16:32 | AmitG | indradg |
| 16:32 | hi druthb | |
| 16:32 | druthb | Hi, AmitG |
| 16:33 | AmitG | any good doc drupal with koha |
| 16:33 | ? | |
| 16:33 | druthb | @seen libsysguy |
| 16:33 | huginn | druthb: libsysguy was last seen in #koha 4 weeks, 4 days, 0 hours, 53 minutes, and 58 seconds ago: <libsysguy> its quiet in here today |
| 16:33 | druthb | saw him today, in the lunch line. Gave him crap about eating the buffet today—it's Deep Fry All The Things day. |
| 16:33 | oleonard | \o/ |
| 16:33 | druthb | Told him if he got the mini corn dogs, I was going to tell The Swede on him. |
| 16:34 | jcamins | druthb: do they have deep fried Mars Bars? |
| 16:34 | druthb | no. I had those at the State Fair, tho. *ick* |
| 16:34 | jcamins | lol |
| 16:34 | I've never actually tried one. It sounds too horrible. But that's apparently a Scottish thing. | |
| 16:34 | druthb | Deep-fried butter is even nastier. But it sells like crazy. |
| 16:35 | jcamins | Deep-fried butter? That doesn't even make sense. |
| 16:35 | cait | eww |
| 16:35 | jcamins | The melting point of butter is way below 300 degrees. |
| 16:35 | druthb | you're requiring southern food to make sense? Since when? |
| 16:35 | yes. But you freeze the butter, batter it, and flash-fry it. Like fried ice cream—only a little metls. | |
| 16:36 | melts, even. | |
| 16:36 | cait | eww |
| 16:36 | jcamins | And then you spread it on deep fried toast? |
| 16:36 | druthb | But it is *supremely* icky. |
| 16:36 | No, then you eat it. | |
| 16:37 | * cait | thinks she should really go home now :) |
| 16:37 | jcamins | It's new. |
| 16:37 | It came out of Texas in 2009, but the Iowa State Fair appears to be the venue best-known for it. | |
| 16:38 | cait left #koha | |
| 16:38 | laurence left #koha | |
| 16:43 | mtompset | AmitG: I'd ask someone in BibLibre, but I can't help you beyond that. I know they wrote some drupal connector thing. |
| 16:43 | druthb | There was a joint in DC in 2009-2010 that was making it, in response to the news…some bar or other. That's where I tried it. They were using quarter-sticks, having determined that a pat of butter would melt too quickly, and a stick was just a waste. |
| 16:44 | AmitG | i have done with MARC21 |
| 16:44 | but some confusion is there | |
| 16:45 | Dyrcona joined #koha | |
| 16:45 | mtompset | deep fried toast? wouldn't that be like french toast? |
| 16:46 | * mtompset | dreams of the day he'll be able to have maple syrup again. |
| 16:53 | oleonard | mtompset: Are you banished to a land without maple syrup? |
| 16:53 | mtompset | No, I'm on a diet. |
| 16:53 | And that means avoiding sugar and carbs. | |
| 16:54 | not all carbs, just more than a microscopic amount. | |
| 16:54 | I've lost 45+ pounds in just over a year. | |
| 16:54 | So, I'm going to stick with it until I reach my optimal weight. | |
| 16:55 | Then, I'll be able to "cheat" and then work hard to keep it off at a much more relaxed level. | |
| 17:00 | tcohen | when is the newsletter sent? ((aprox) |
| 17:04 | marjorie joined #koha | |
| 17:08 | cait joined #koha | |
| 17:08 | marjorie | Hi, i am searching a way to scan mutiple barcode on return.pl. Is someone knows a way to do with RFID? |
| 17:09 | cait | marjorie: are you using barcodes or rfid? |
| 17:10 | the software one of the vnedors our libraires use had an option to send a return after each number... i think that kind of worked, but basically it's not made for multiple | |
| 17:10 | you might miss messages it shows, like for holds | |
| 17:10 | marjorie | cait: rfid |
| 17:11 | cait | yeah, then what i said applies i think |
| 17:11 | move_ joined #koha | |
| 17:11 | cait | there is one interesting rfid rfc from oslo public library on the wiki |
| 17:11 | marjorie | cait: ok thanks! |
| 17:14 | move_ | hello, is somebody here using koha with nginx and plack? I have problems that sometimes item searches in opac shows no results. if i try the serach again, all results are shown. can't figure out the problem (btw: sorry for my bad english) |
| 17:18 | cait | move_: your english is fine - sadly i can't really help |
| 17:18 | ashimema might be interested - he was going to look into nginx and plack | |
| 17:20 | move_ | thx :) in the near future my koha installation must move to a server without apache. all works fine with nginx and plack, only search is not working properly |
| 17:20 | cait | i suspect it's a known plack bug |
| 17:21 | soem people have been talking about that | |
| 17:21 | where zebra looses the connection? | |
| 17:22 | move_ | thx I will try searching this lpack bug |
| 17:22 | cait | try reading the dev meeting logs maybe |
| 17:22 | http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]ng,_March_12_2014 | |
| 17:23 | hm no not the march one | |
| 17:23 | february | |
| 17:23 | http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]February_25,_2014 | |
| 17:24 | cait-m___ joined #koha | |
| 17:28 | rhcl joined #koha | |
| 17:29 | nengard joined #koha | |
| 17:46 | dcook joined #koha | |
| 18:25 | jcamins | cait: the items not showing up is a different bug. |
| 18:25 | move_: are you using a slightly older version of Koha? | |
| 18:26 | move_ | I'm using current debian-version, 3.14.04 |
| 18:26 | debian version ist wheezy | |
| 18:26 | cait | jcamins: ah, i thought search not working at all |
| 18:26 | jcamins | Hmm. |
| 18:27 | cait: yeah, that's the bug you were talking about. :) | |
| 18:27 | cait | move_: sorry, misread then |
| 18:27 | the bug i meant was search sometimes not working | |
| 18:27 | jcamins | move_: could you please share your Plack script thing with paste.koha-community.org? |
| 18:27 | move_ | works most, but after some time search is showing no results and after trying again search shows all results |
| 18:28 | jcamins | Oh, the search is showing no results, not just no items? |
| 18:28 | In that case, it's the bug cait mentioned. | |
| 18:28 | cait | yay :) |
| 18:28 | but it's a bug... so yay :(? | |
| 18:28 | jcamins | As far as I know, no fix has been submitted for inclusion in Koha. |
| 18:28 | But I haven't been following the bugs list recently. | |
| 18:29 | magnuse | known bugs are better than unknown bugs |
| 18:29 | move_ | can't find a bug in this relation for plack and koha |
| 18:29 | cait | there is one link to a kid of fix in the log i think |
| 18:29 | move_: i think it's not on bugzilla, that's why i gave the link to the february dev meeting | |
| 18:29 | i think it was talked about there and a link posted to a repo | |
| 18:29 | magnuse | i think rangi or catalyst has something that is just on a branch somewhere, not a patch yet |
| 18:29 | jcamins | cait: but I think it has to be patched manually. |
| 18:29 | There is a bug, but I don't recall the number. | |
| 18:29 | cait | probably |
| 18:30 | move_ | cant find something related in the dev-log. i will try again |
| 18:30 | cait | haven't seen, i only remembered from the meeting |
| 18:30 | let me see | |
| 18:30 | jcamins | It's called something weird. |
| 18:30 | * jcamins | filed it. |
| 18:31 | cait | http://meetings.koha-community[…]25-21.01.log.html |
| 18:31 | i think it's this | |
| 18:31 | 21:13:29 <rangi> http://git.catalyst.net.nz/gw?[…]86e253cb4dfe04597 | |
| 18:33 | jcamins | Yes. |
| 18:34 | move_ | great :) thx for help |
| 18:34 | magnuse | awww http://bywatersolutions.com/20[…]l-bywater-family/ |
| 18:34 | bag | magnuse: HI |
| 18:34 | wahanui | hi, bag |
| 18:34 | magnuse | bag: HI |
| 18:34 | bag: finally at home, safe and sound? | |
| 18:35 | bag | finally home - arrived last night - with no luggage |
| 18:35 | move_ | jcamins and cait: will try if this fix helps me |
| 18:35 | bag | but the luggage was just dropped off at home |
| 18:35 | cait | bag: good to hear it's late but there now |
| 18:39 | magnuse | bag: that sux - but maybe less than having no baggage when you arrive in the great unknown? |
| 18:40 | bag | yeah at least they knew where it was. I landed in Paris from Rome with only 20 minutes to get on the next plane - so I think I was just faster than my bags where |
| 18:40 | magnuse | ooh, bag was faster than his bags! |
| 18:41 | yeah, 20 minutes is not a lot of time | |
| 18:41 | jcamins | bag: if only they had accidentally sent *you* to Tahiti instead of your luggage, right? |
| 18:41 | bag | HA |
| 18:41 | rhcl | :) funny |
| 18:41 | bag | is a single bag faster than multiple bags - I guess so |
| 18:45 | cait | :) |
| 18:45 | did the chocolate bunny made it? | |
| 18:46 | i made one of my coworkers very happy today by sharing some peanut butter cups... | |
| 18:46 | but i still have about half of them :D | |
| 18:46 | magnuse | ooh, lucky coworkers! |
| 18:49 | cait | lucky me :) |
| 18:50 | nengard left #koha | |
| 18:52 | bag | yes cait the bunny made it :) |
| 18:52 | cait | :) |
| 18:59 | oleonard joined #koha | |
| 19:12 | cait | khall++ :) |
| 19:12 | baby photos! | |
| 19:12 | daria++ :) | |
| 19:17 | bag | khall++ |
| 19:18 | magnuse | khall++ |
| 19:18 | bywater++ for putting baby photos on their website! | |
| 19:18 | bag | :P |
| 19:18 | tcohen | khall++ |
| 19:18 | bag | it's a family |
| 19:19 | mtompset | I saw the thumbnail and khall and thought V is for Vendetta. |
| 19:20 | bag | right |
| 19:20 | magnuse | heh |
| 19:32 | tcohen | bye #koha |
| 19:33 | indradg joined #koha | |
| 19:37 | * magnuse | adds some basic graphing to https://github.com/digibib/kohaprofile and calls it a day |
| 19:40 | NateC joined #koha | |
| 19:46 | rhcl | I've searched the bywater site for "khall's baby", "Kyle's baby pics" and just "baby" and get no results. Obviously the site is using zebra. |
| 19:46 | let's see if the google indexer can find them | |
| 19:47 | neg | |
| 19:49 | meliss joined #koha | |
| 19:50 | mtompset | rhcl: news on the bywatersolutions site. It was just posted today. Google hasn't indexed it yet. :) |
| 19:52 | rhcl | yep, she looks like Kyle |
| 20:19 | * wajasu | wonders if we can employ memcached option with zebra itself to cache using the zebra option memcached. |
| 20:20 | mtompset | wajasu: Are you trying to hurt my brain? :P |
| 20:22 | wajasu | well if we cache the marcxml in memcached by doing a zebra search, then when we go grab the marc_record from results, it might be in the cache(RAM) and save the mysql db hit. |
| 20:23 | also, the named result sets option would cache a query asa named results set option. then when we do paging, we specifiy the named result set. | |
| 20:23 | just sayin. | |
| 20:24 | i started looking into facets. | |
| 20:25 | maximep left #koha | |
| 20:27 | rhcl | I like watching titans talk about stuff. |
| 20:31 | nengard joined #koha | |
| 21:04 | mtompset | wizzyrea++ # good point about the lack of link between patron categories and permissions. |
| 21:04 | didn't the gods kill the titans? ;) | |
| 21:09 | smeagol joined #koha | |
| 21:12 | smeagol | Anyone know why i may be getting this message...? "git: 'bz' is not a git command. See 'git --help'. Did you mean one of these? am gc mv rm" |
| 21:12 | Hi all, by the way | |
| 21:13 | cait | what did you type? |
| 21:13 | and did you install git bz? | |
| 21:20 | wizzyrea | probably that means you didn't link git-bz into your path |
| 21:20 | git-bz | |
| 21:20 | git bz? | |
| 21:20 | wahanui | git bz is so much fun :) or http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]_bz_configuration or just about anything except intuitive or AMAZING and WONDERFUL |
| 21:20 | wizzyrea | ^^ see that link |
| 21:20 | smeagol | yes, installed git bz from instructions, went to do command: git bz appy xxxx and got the above message |
| 21:23 | thought i did, will check path again | |
| 21:24 | * wizzyrea | has occasionally reversed the direction of the symlink in a dumb way accidentally |
| 21:24 | wizzyrea | and then it doesn't work :P |
| 21:24 | jcamins | Note that if you're not using Debian, your default path might not include the directory where you put git-bz. |
| 21:24 | wizzyrea | ^^ |
| 21:25 | jcamins | Also note that git-bz is in a folder called git-bz, which can lead to incorrect symlinking due to tabcomplete. |
| 21:25 | eythian | hi |
| 21:28 | cait | hi eythian |
| 21:39 | * wizzyrea | still thinks category based permissions would be cool. |
| 21:40 | wizzyrea | At least to be able to define by default a set of permissions that a category starts with, a la the "enhanced messaging defaults" |
| 21:44 | cait | wizzyrea: i think maybe have a way to save permission sets |
| 21:45 | and then apply when you create the patron | |
| 21:45 | wizzyrea | why not layer that on top of the category? |
| 21:45 | cait | because i don't want to have more than one staff category:) |
| 21:47 | but that's maybe just because of how we set things up | |
| 21:47 | i think i#d be happy if go to the permissions page for a patron and have a pull down that gives me an option to choose from sets i defined, like 'cataloguer' 'circ help' or sth like that | |
| 21:47 | rangi | would mean having to define a bunch of extra circ rules |
| 21:47 | if you tied to category | |
| 21:47 | cait | yeah, and notice triggers and other things |
| 21:48 | wizzyrea | people should not be circulating with their staff accounts. :P |
| 21:48 | rangi | have you ever met library staff? |
| 21:48 | wizzyrea | they should not use them as their personal account. |
| 21:48 | yes, yes I have. | |
| 21:48 | rangi | there is no should in libraries |
| 21:48 | wizzyrea | note the "should" |
| 21:48 | cait | they might still check out things for staff uses |
| 21:48 | rangi | if its possible, they do it |
| 21:48 | cait | and that |
| 21:48 | also more complicated in reports | |
| 21:49 | * wizzyrea | drops it |
| 21:49 | cait | just 2 different approaches i think :) |
| 21:51 | mtompset | At edit or entry time, you know the permissions you want for a patron, I don't see why the member entry couldn't have a drop down list like cait suggested which defaults the flags. |
| 21:52 | wizzyrea | http://31.media.tumblr.com/cad[…]1rrx588o1_400.gif |
| 22:00 | * magnuse | waves |
| 22:02 | * mtompset | gives magnuse a high five. :) |
| 22:05 | magnuse | yay! |
| 22:09 | * magnuse | kicks off a kohaprofile with 100 commits and 100 iterations, and wonders if it will be done before he wakes up |
| 22:09 | falls asleep | |
| 22:09 | rangi | :) |
| 22:10 | dcook | cait: I like this permission set idea, although I'm not sure how well it would go down with staff |
| 22:11 | I wonder how it would factor into the sub-permission for controlling permissions.. | |
| 22:11 | cait | dcook: i don't think it would change much - just a different way to set all the checkboxes and could still allow for manual |
| 22:11 | eythian | magnuse: you could integrate it with git bisect to find where specific performance issues came about. |
| 22:12 | dcook | I imagine library folk wouldn't like the extra click, or you might have staff who don't know what permissions to assign. |
| 22:12 | Or they might assign permissions differently across a patron category even though they should be the same | |
| 22:12 | jcamins | dcook: then they wouldn't have to use it. |
| 22:12 | dcook | But then they would just say it's broken, jcamins :p |
| 22:12 | jcamins | dcook: use CSS to hide the selector. Easy peasy. |
| 22:14 | dcook | Maybe, but what if they're the librarians who wanted to have default permissions by category? :p |
| 22:14 | eythian | So they both want and don't want it? |
| 22:14 | Sounds like they have bigger issues :) | |
| 22:14 | dcook | ^ |
| 22:14 | jcamins | eythian: that sounds redundant. </snark> |
| 22:15 | eythian | heh |
| 22:18 | dcook | I suppose at the moment they have to go into "Set permissions" in order to set permissions anyway |
| 22:18 | So while it might be an extra click in the add/modify page, it would still save clicks overall | |
| 22:19 | Actually, permission sets could be really handy. We wrote a little "permission audit" script a while back, but it's rough in comparison to what you could do using permission sets | |
| 22:21 | That said, the overwhelming majority of new patrons are likely to be actual patrons and not staff... | |
| 22:22 | Hmm, you CAN tell that I went to library school... | |
| 22:22 | * cait | leaves some cookies and goes to bed ;) |
| 22:22 | cait left #koha | |
| 22:22 | dcook | Cookies! |
| 22:22 | wahanui | Cookies are delicious delicacies |
| 22:23 | dcook | Damn now I want chocolate.. |
| 22:23 | mtompset | So do I, but my snacks are tasteless crackers for a few days. :( |
| 22:24 | dcook | Tasteless crackers? |
| 22:24 | But crackers are awesome! | |
| 22:25 | magnuse | eythian: output will look something like this: http://div.libriotech.no/files[…]19%2023-23-21.png not sure if git-bisect will add anything... |
| 22:26 | mtompset | dcook: http://ecx.images-amazon.com/i[…]I/5136WCG9GRL.jpg (except mine is cinnamon) |
| 22:26 | eythian | magnuse: well, it'd be faster as it'd do a binary rather than linear search. But really, it's for a slightly different use case. |
| 22:26 | move_ | cait-m___ and jcamin: yeah :) after some testing your hints to fix the zebra search issue with plack seems to work for me. thanks for pointing this out |
| 22:30 | magnuse | eythian: yeah, i think what i want is a time series that can show trends + any spikes over time |
| 22:30 | eythian | fair enough |
| 22:30 | magnuse | :-) |
| 22:31 | * magnuse | falls asleep for real this time |
| 22:32 | bag | magnuse: HI |
| 22:33 | eythian | magnuse: later |
| 22:38 | dcook | All right, re-introducing "OPACItemsResultsDisplay" back into the XSLT... |
| 22:38 | * dcook | should check that this hasn't already been done |
| 22:48 | dcook | Which doesn't work as described in the non-XSLT anyway... |
| 23:08 | BobB joined #koha | |
| 23:08 | rocio1 joined #koha | |
| 23:14 | papa joined #koha | |
| 23:36 | chrisvella94 joined #koha | |
| 23:39 | mtompset | XSLT? What? Huh? |
| 23:40 | dcook: Oh, on a template level? | |
| 23:47 | rocio1 left #koha | |
| 23:54 | JesseM_away joined #koha |
← Previous day | Today | Next day → | Search | Index