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| Time | Nick | Message |
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| 00:01 | dcook | Damn, this is addictive... |
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| 00:24 | mtompset | Greetings, #koha. |
| 00:30 | Okay... the OPAC XSLT stuff grabs the MARCXML field, parses and formats it, and then pumps it out to the opac-detail page. | |
| 00:31 | If I want to HIDE fields, is there a nice way to do it without converting it to a marc record so I can fliter it against the marc_subfield_structure table for the biblio's frameworkcode? | |
| 00:32 | eythian | probably not |
| 00:33 | mtompset | Okay, yuck. :) |
| 00:33 | Let the ugliness begin. | |
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| 00:58 | mtompset | Progress, but not quite. |
| 00:58 | eythian | mtompset: what are you doing? because it sounds like something we will need soon also. |
| 00:59 | mtompset | The opac-MARCdetail.pl properly hides things based on the hidden value in marc_subfield_structure |
| 00:59 | opac-detail.pl does not. | |
| 01:00 | eythian | ah |
| 01:00 | yeah | |
| 01:00 | mtompset | I'm fixing it so opac-detail.pl will match opac-MARCdetail.pl |
| 01:00 | eythian | if you make a nice generic function to filter marc, I'll be able to use that too. |
| 01:00 | mtompset | So if you do crazy things like hide 100$a, it will. |
| 01:00 | eythian | I'll be needing something so that logged in users have different rules to anon users. |
| 01:00 | mtompset | different?! |
| 01:01 | That actually sounds like something WE could use. ;) | |
| 01:01 | wizzyrea | If you're gonna do it, should DO IT. |
| 01:01 | eythian | basically, they want a public catalogue, but they want notes to be hidden unless you're logged in, as they are potentially a little politically inflammatory. |
| 01:02 | mtompset | In our case, we want to hide authors which would link the book to an organization that some countries would be unhappy about. :) |
| 01:03 | or publishers. not everything, just not liked parts. | |
| 01:03 | eythian | ah yep |
| 01:03 | mtompset | So, the hiding functionality needs to work properly across views. |
| 01:03 | eythian | yeah, same here |
| 01:04 | mtompset | If you give me a week, I'll have it all nicely up on bugzilla for you, eythian, so you can extend it as you want. |
| 01:04 | eythian | that'd be cool |
| 01:10 | mtompset | just my luck, the template toolkit website is timing out on me. |
| 01:16 | eythian | doh |
| 01:16 | might have docs in /usr/share/docs | |
| 01:16 | (I'm not sure) | |
| 01:19 | dcook | Yeah, the TT manual is on the system. |
| 01:19 | Or at least some are... | |
| 01:19 | * dcook | was looking at them the other day |
| 01:20 | dcook | -> /usr/lib/perl5/.../Template/Manual |
| 01:21 | mtompset: ^ | |
| 01:21 | At least, that's on my OpenSUSE | |
| 01:21 | mtompset | for future reference. |
| 01:28 | eythian | so routing list notes are terribly broken. |
| 01:29 | it looks like someone assumed they worked one way, when they in fact work a different way, and now they don't work at all. | |
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| 01:45 | mtompset | oh joy! |
| 01:45 | does anyone know how to DELETE a tag from a MARC::Record? | |
| 01:47 | dcook | MARC::Field documentation would tell you that, I believe |
| 01:48 | wizzyrea | @quote add A sad story: "it looks like someone assumed they worked one way, when they in fact work a different way, and now they don't work at all." |
| 01:48 | huginn | wizzyrea: The operation succeeded. Quote #291 added. |
| 01:49 | wizzyrea | an all too common story :(( |
| 01:50 | mtompset | That triggered this musical flashback |
| 01:50 | http://youtu.be/lenFPDV76uM | |
| 02:02 | eythian | I'm not convinced the routing list notes have ever worked |
| 02:02 | they seem to have been introduced in '06, and the queries look broken then. | |
| 02:04 | wizzyrea | ^ this is what I thought when I was looking at it, but didn't feel qualified to make any pronouncements :/ |
| 02:07 | eythian | Oh, I just make pronouncements and if I'm wrong, it's safe to assume that everyone has forgotten about them before long anyway. |
| 02:07 | dcook | I think I've looked at the routing list notes, but only barely |
| 02:19 | * mtompset | grins. |
| 02:19 | mtompset | Question... if I decide to hide 260$a,b,c but not the other subfields of 260. |
| 02:20 | Should the label "Publisher:" show if nothing else is printed? | |
| 02:20 | * wizzyrea | strives to be more like eythian |
| 02:20 | mtompset | -- this seems to be a pain to do in the XSLT stuffs. |
| 02:20 | eythian | mtompset: if there are no other subfields, there should be no 260 in the resulting record. |
| 02:21 | and so it should behave exactly as though there was no 260 to start with. | |
| 02:22 | mtompset | Hmm... the XSLT is still putting out Publisher, even if the 260 field is all hidden, which I suspect is not there. |
| 02:22 | (I delete fields when there are no subfields) | |
| 02:24 | eythian | mtompset: in that case, just leave it alone. It's not your problem, at least as part of this. |
| 02:24 | mtompset | So, what is "<xsl:if test="marc:datafield[@tag=260]">" actually looking at? |
| 02:24 | eythian | that ought to catch it. |
| 02:24 | mtompset | It should. |
| 02:25 | OOOOO! | |
| 02:26 | I have an idea... the delete_subfield fails on the last subfield. | |
| 02:26 | eythian | ahh |
| 02:26 | mtompset | now to test that idea. |
| 02:26 | eythian | I don't like that behaviour myself. |
| 02:27 | I'd rather it either deleted it, and the field too, or issued an exception so you know you have to handle it. | |
| 02:27 | mtompset | I haven't tested the idea, but that's the only thing I can think of right now. |
| 02:28 | bingo! | |
| 02:29 | Oh this is awesome. I'm really close now. | |
| 02:29 | eythian | awesome :D |
| 02:29 | mtompset | Basically, opac/opac-detail.pl grabs GetMarcBiblio. |
| 02:29 | This is a Marc::Record | |
| 02:30 | I think delete fields/subfields based on hidden values from marc_subfield_structure | |
| 02:30 | ^think^then^ | |
| 02:31 | eythian | sounds like a good way to do it. |
| 02:31 | mtompset | I then wrote a function which attempts to takes a partial kohafield and relate it back to the MARC fields/subfields. |
| 02:32 | And create a hash of whether it is hidden or not. | |
| 02:32 | I did have to tweak opac-MARCdetail.pl, because it wasn't hiding title properly. | |
| 02:33 | And had to tweak C4/XSLT.pm to delete out fields which have no subfields. | |
| 02:33 | but it doesn't actually check hidden at all. | |
| 02:33 | it's just a fix. | |
| 02:34 | oh, and GetMarcSubjects... [ { '', undef } ] is useless to push. | |
| 02:34 | so I added a check, so the Subjects hides correctly. :) | |
| 02:35 | I suppose I should hide/unhide subtitle correctly in the template. | |
| 02:35 | But it looks weird to hide the title and NOT the subtitle. | |
| 02:36 | eythian | mtompset: don't make semantic decisions |
| 02:36 | mtompset | exactly. |
| 02:36 | eythian | if people hide title and not subtitle, then that's their own problem. |
| 02:36 | mtompset | exactly. |
| 02:36 | eythian | and maybe they have a reason for it anyway |
| 02:36 | wizzyrea | @quote get 123 |
| 02:36 | wahanui | http://xkcd.com/1172/ |
| 02:36 | huginn | wizzyrea: Quote #123: "rangi: #thingsihavelearnt if there is a mad scheme a library somewhere will be doing it ... except madder" (added by wizzyrea at 09:20 PM, March 30, 2011) |
| 02:36 | mtompset | I can't think of a reason to hide the title and not the subtitle. |
| 02:36 | wizzyrea | ^ |
| 02:36 | eythian | mtompset: I can. |
| 02:36 | BRAIN WORMS! | |
| 02:36 | mtompset | Really?! |
| 02:37 | That doesn't count as a GOOD reason. :P | |
| 02:37 | eythian | you didn't ask for a good one |
| 02:37 | wizzyrea | Things I've learned: it doesn't have to be a good reason, it just has to be a reason. |
| 02:37 | good reasons are better, of course :P | |
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| 02:46 | mtompset | but brain worms?! That's not even realistic. :P |
| 02:54 | eythian | I beg to differ. |
| 03:02 | mtompset | URL to a scientific study. :P |
| 03:06 | * wizzyrea | recalls the study where toxoplasmosis makes rates run towards cats, instead of away |
| 03:06 | eythian | http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Brain_worm |
| 03:06 | wizzyrea | rats* |
| 03:07 | not quite a worm, but a parasite. :P | |
| 03:07 | eythian | toxoplasmosis is the disease |
| 03:07 | Toxoplasma gondii is the parasite | |
| 03:08 | wizzyrea | just like you are nauseated, instead of nauseous. |
| 03:08 | mtompset | oh shoot! This has side effects. |
| 03:08 | eythian | wizzyrea: no, I'm nauseous, you're nauseated :) |
| 03:08 | wizzyrea | well I meant it how I said it, but you're right now. ;) |
| 03:09 | mtompset | GetCOinSBiblio -- triggers warnings when there is no 245 field. :) |
| 03:09 | wizzyrea | you, a person, feel nauseated. Something else makes a person feel nauseous. |
| 03:10 | eythian | No, something that is nauseous makes someone feel nauseated. |
| 03:10 | wizzyrea | ^ that's saying the same thing, I think. |
| 03:10 | eythian | I don't think so. |
| 03:10 | mtompset | so is the former an adjective and the other a verb? |
| 03:10 | eythian | you can't feel nauseous. |
| 03:10 | mtompset: I think they're both adjectives | |
| 03:10 | wizzyrea | ugh, yes I know! |
| 03:11 | we're saying the same thing only I'm saying it poorly | |
| 03:11 | eythian | the nauseous cheese, the nauseated person. |
| 03:11 | ah right | |
| 03:11 | wizzyrea | ^.^ |
| 03:13 | mtompset | Actually, I think you can feel nauseous, but wouldn't it be like "I think I'm feeling like I cause others to be nauseated"? ;) |
| 03:13 | eythian | yes, that's true :) |
| 03:16 | mtompset | What is GetCOinSBiblio for? |
| 03:17 | # COinS format FIXME: for books Only | |
| 03:18 | <span class="Z3988" title="[% ocoins %]"></span> | |
| 03:19 | Okay... some other technology which I must not touch. | |
| 03:21 | eythian | yeah, coins is a thing people use |
| 03:22 | I think it lets browser plugins scrape a page for biblio daa | |
| 03:22 | *data | |
| 03:22 | so, e.g., citation managers. | |
| 03:22 | I think that's that one, anyway. | |
| 03:30 | mtompset | Well, if people do crazy things like hide 254$a, that's going to get floody in the error log. |
| 03:31 | eythian | hmm, it'd be nice if it didn't, if it's an easy fix, I guess. |
| 03:31 | if it's not an easy fix, then I'd say it's safe to ignore. | |
| 03:53 | do authorities always use DOM? | |
| 03:56 | dcook | eythian: I think there's an option but that DOM might've been the default for a while? |
| 03:57 | eythian | I'm trying to figure it out. |
| 03:58 | ahh | |
| 03:59 | I was looking in the template, but not realising that it had variables in there, so my searches weren't working. | |
| 03:59 | silly me | |
| 04:10 | mtompset | okay... if I can figure out why XSLT vs. non-XSLT differs in hiding the subtitle, I'll post up my patch. |
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| 04:24 | eythian | you know what we haven't had in a while: test failures when building packages. |
| 04:24 | I like this. | |
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| 04:35 | mtompset | okay... dumb question. |
| 04:35 | wahanui | there are no dumb questions. |
| 04:35 | mtompset | What is the point of fieldmapping vs. marc_subfield_structure? |
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| 04:39 | mtompset | Does anyone actually have anything in their fieldmapping table? |
| 04:40 | eythian | I tend to grep through the code and see where it's being used, in those cases. |
| 04:41 | I just checked on db and it was empty | |
| 04:47 | dcook | mtompset: We use it on our 3.8, but that's for some local stuff that I want to eliminate |
| 04:47 | Maybe | |
| 04:47 | I'm probably lying | |
| 04:47 | mtompset | which is part of my confusion. |
| 04:47 | I also noticed I don't have a 254$b in my BKS framework. | |
| 04:47 | dcook | Mmm, I think it should have subtitle in it at the very least |
| 04:48 | mtompset | in marc_subfield_structure. |
| 04:48 | dcook | 254 or 245? |
| 04:48 | wahanui | 255 |
| 04:48 | dcook | Love you too, wahanui |
| 04:48 | wahanui | dcook: i'm not following you... |
| 04:48 | mtompset | I'm pretty sure 254. |
| 04:48 | because 254$a is title, and 254$b is subtitle. | |
| 04:49 | well, remainder of title. | |
| 04:49 | dcook | http://www.loc.gov/marc/biblio[…]oncise/bd254.html |
| 04:49 | $a - Musical presentation statement | |
| 04:49 | http://www.loc.gov/marc/biblio[…]oncise/bd245.html | |
| 04:49 | $a - Title (NR) | |
| 04:49 | $b - Remainder of title (NR) | |
| 04:49 | :) | |
| 04:49 | mtompset | okay, okay... |
| 04:49 | I'm lysdexic. :P | |
| 04:49 | dcook | That said, they should both be there anyway :p |
| 04:59 | mtompset | oh... is anyone else getting a C4::Context modulus error on line 1250? |
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| 05:16 | cait | morning magnuse |
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| 05:41 | Bahruz | good morning |
| 05:52 | mtompset | Anyone want a quick sign off? :) |
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| 06:05 | mtompset | Could someone else confirm this problem. 3.14.x Koha/List/Patron.pm uses IsSuperLibrarian, but C4/Context.pm does not have that function. |
| 06:08 | @later tell gmcharlt Please confirm 3.14.x Koha/List/Patron.pm use of IsSuperLibrarian against C4/Context.pm's lack of that function. bug 10565? Not sure. | |
| 06:08 | huginn | mtompset: The operation succeeded. |
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| 06:26 | mtompset | Have a great day (24 hour period), #koha. |
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| 06:38 | cait | @wunder Konstanz |
| 06:38 | huginn | cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 3.1°C (7:35 AM CET on January 21, 2014). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 94%. Dew Point: 2.0°C. Windchill: 3.0°C. Pressure: 29.83 in 1010 hPa (Rising). |
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| 07:17 | * magnuse | waves |
| 07:17 | cait | @wunder Konstanz |
| 07:17 | huginn | cait: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is 3.0°C (8:00 AM CET on January 21, 2014). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 88%. Dew Point: 2.0°C. Pressure: 29.88 in 1012 hPa (Rising). |
| 07:18 | magnuse | @wunder boo |
| 07:19 | huginn | magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is -2.0°C (7:50 AM CET on January 21, 2014). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 43%. Dew Point: -13.0°C. Windchill: -11.0°C. Pressure: 30.12 in 1020 hPa (Steady). |
| 07:19 | magnuse | windchill-- |
| 07:19 | and hiya cait | |
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| 07:23 | mram3 | hi everybody |
| 07:24 | it's normal that the script link bibs to authorities runs ok with dom indexing, but not with grs1? | |
| 07:25 | bareword "geographicsubdiv" it's indexed with dom but not with grs1? , I'm right? | |
| 07:25 | jcamins | Yes. |
| 07:25 | That is normal. | |
| 07:25 | cait | jcamins: go to sleep. |
| 07:25 | mram3 | thnk you ¡ |
| 07:26 | jcamins | GRS-1 indexing can't handle headings. |
| 07:26 | dcook | Great Scot! |
| 07:26 | jcamins: 2:26am? | |
| 07:26 | jcamins | cait: I'm running link_bibs_to_authorities... |
| 07:26 | mram3 | it was driving me crazy... |
| 07:26 | ok | |
| 07:26 | jcamins | And, errr, finishing my book. |
| 07:28 | cait | sleep? :) |
| 07:29 | jcamins | 12k records to go. I have some other scripts I want to kick off when this is done. |
| 07:34 | cait | bbiab |
| 07:34 | go to sleep jared! | |
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| 07:37 | reiveune | hello |
| 07:37 | wahanui | niihau, reiveune |
| 07:38 | * magnuse | waves to jcamins and reiveune |
| 07:38 | * dcook | should go home but is reading about GPG |
| 07:38 | waves to reiveune and magnuse\ | |
| 07:39 | * reiveune | just say "hello" to dcook magnuse rangi kathryn |
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| 07:49 | magnuse | bonojur paul_p |
| 07:50 | s/bonojur/bonjour/ | |
| 07:54 | dcook | Yay! All the way through the GPG user manual! |
| 07:54 | Outdated but mostly good! | |
| 07:54 | magnuse | dcook: yay! now you just have to start using it? :-) |
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| 07:55 | dcook | Yarp! |
| 07:55 | I'm not entirely how best to do that at this point | |
| 07:55 | I mean...I have a work computer and a home computer which would be two different identities... | |
| 07:55 | alex_a | bonjour |
| 07:55 | wahanui | hi, alex_a |
| 07:55 | dcook | Well, not necessarily two identities |
| 07:57 | paxed | is it just me, or is the sample frequency nro 7 wrong? ('1/month', 'month', 1, 1, 7) but [% IF ( subscription_LOO.periodicity7 ) %]3 months |
| 08:04 | dcook | Mmm, I could just have a subkey on my work computer.. |
| 08:05 | paul_p | good morning #koha |
| 08:06 | dcook | bon matin, paul_p |
| 08:08 | paul_p | hello dcook (in french, we don't say "bon matin", we only have "bonjour" ("good day") and "bonsoir" ("good evening") -in one word- ) |
| 08:09 | and we usually switch from "bonjour" to "bonsoir" when the sun goes down, so the hour depends on the season | |
| 08:09 | dcook | (Interesting! Thanks for the tip :D) |
| 08:10 | Is "bonne nuit" just for when you're about to go to sleep? | |
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| 08:11 | Joubu | hi |
| 08:11 | wahanui | privet, Joubu |
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| 08:21 | gaetan_B | hello |
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| 08:43 | Joubu | thank you cait for passing qa on 7825! :) |
| 08:46 | cait | np |
| 08:46 | hope it's ok and i didn't miss something :) | |
| 09:02 | magnuse | bug 7825 |
| 09:02 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7825 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Passed QA , Change OPACItemHolds syspref to be of type Choice, choices being "no", "yes", "force" |
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| 09:10 | MrAgent075 | Evening all, who have we got tonight? |
| 09:11 | cait | hm? :) |
| 09:11 | hi MrAgent075 | |
| 09:12 | MrAgent075 | hi cait, how's it goin'? |
| 09:13 | cait | tuesday morning, long to do list :) |
| 09:14 | how are you doing? | |
| 09:26 | MrAgent075 | I'm doin' alright. Might get back into the work tomorrow - resetting routers a thousand times is not the best thing to sit through... :/ |
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| 11:22 | cait | magnuse++ |
| 11:34 | magnuse | cait: huh? |
| 11:35 | cait | email to dev list |
| 11:38 | magnuse | ah, we get pluses for asking dumb questions? ;-) |
| 12:22 | cait | pluses for communicating |
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| 12:32 | mtompset | Greetings, #koha. |
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| 12:58 | francharb | good morning |
| 13:00 | magnuse | khall++ for answering |
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| 13:08 | tcohen_ | morning #koha |
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| 13:19 | magnuse | hola tcohen_ |
| 13:19 | tcohen_ | hi magnuse ! |
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| 13:26 | oleonard | Hi #koha |
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| 13:32 | magnuse | sophie_m: could be :-) |
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| 14:00 | tcohen | fridolin? |
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| 14:02 | fridolin | hie all |
| 14:03 | * cait | waves |
| 14:05 | * druthb | waves |
| 14:05 | tcohen | hi cait druthb |
| 14:05 | druthb: did my email reach koha-translate? | |
| 14:06 | cait | the one about arabic? |
| 14:06 | i saw something form you | |
| 14:07 | druthb | tcohen: yup! |
| 14:08 | tcohen | good |
| 14:08 | its just that I expected being flooded by answers heh | |
| 14:09 | druthb | The Arabic community for Koha is not large, partly because of issues like that one. Give it a little time. |
| 14:09 | a hunt through the archives for Karam might get his address, and you could write him directly. | |
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| 14:22 | magnuse | i think i found a problem at the intersection of DBIC and koha-gitify: https://github.com/mkfifo/koha-gitify/issues/7 |
| 14:22 | no time for proper testing at the moment, though | |
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| 14:40 | tcohen | cait: there are 32 strings to translate in german 3.12 |
| 14:41 | cait | that's not much :) |
| 14:41 | i amon it | |
| 14:44 | druthb | super-cait! |
| 14:52 | tcohen | portuguese translator? |
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| 15:36 | mtompset | Karam? He's trying to link to me on LinkedIn. ;) |
| 16:02 | tcohen | Joubu: steps to reproduce? |
| 16:02 | wahanui | steps to reproduce are on comment 1 |
| 16:03 | Joubu | tcohen: I applied yours patches, launch a search and... that's all |
| 16:03 | tcohen | UNIMARC grs-1? |
| 16:03 | or DOM? | |
| 16:03 | wahanui | DOM is the answer... |
| 16:03 | Joubu | tcohen: grs1 |
| 16:04 | unimarc | |
| 16:05 | tcohen | http://snag.gy/LdI8f.jpg |
| 16:09 | cait | translations are all done :) |
| 16:13 | druthb | cait++ |
| 16:13 | hm. | |
| 16:13 | @most increased | |
| 16:13 | huginn | druthb: "gmcharlt": 18, "cait": 11, "oleonard": 9, "rangi": 8, "khall": 5, "magnuse": 5, "jcamins": 5, "tcohen": 5, "eythian": 5, "Joubu": 4, "petter": 3, "francesca": 3, "community": 3, "fridolin": 3, "davidnind": 3, "wizzyrea": 3, "druthb": 3, "ashimema": 3, "paul_p": 2, "ebegin": 2, "MrAgent075": 2, "pianohacker": 2, "jatara": 2, "*+++++++++": 1, and "davidtennant": 1 |
| 16:19 | fridolin | see you |
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| 16:20 | mtompset | YAY! I'm not on the hit list of blame. ;) |
| 16:24 | ARG! Just when I thought I was good... [ view plain ] has to come along! | |
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| 16:42 | mtompset | How do I turn the contents of marcxml into a MARC::Record? |
| 16:42 | (and vice versa) | |
| 16:55 | reiveune | bye |
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| 16:59 | Joubu | mtompset: MARC::Record->new_from_xml ? |
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| 16:59 | JesseM | Hello |
| 16:59 | Bahruz | hi all |
| 17:00 | Joubu | hi / bye :) |
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| 17:07 | gaetan_B | bye ! |
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| 18:07 | * magnuse | waves |
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| 18:56 | * mtompset | struggles to stay away. |
| 18:56 | mtompset | stay AWAKE. |
| 18:57 | druthb | lolz |
| 18:57 | mtompset | Just caught the tail portion of a meeting online. |
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| 19:39 | mtompset | oh come on! I hide 0,3,5, and 8! |
| 19:40 | * mtompset | yells at his VM. |
| 19:41 | * oleonard | shakes his walking stick menacingly at mtompset's VM |
| 19:41 | mtompset | Try something crazy... uncheck the visibility for 0,3,5, and 8. |
| 19:42 | Then go look at opac-MARCdetail for that framework. | |
| 19:42 | click [ view plain] | |
| 19:42 | Still shows! | |
| 19:44 | oleonard | Is this surprising because you simply expect things to work or because the script appears to be written such that it should work? |
| 19:45 | mtompset | I've been fixing this whole hiding mess. |
| 19:45 | I hid everything for this one record I'm looking at. | |
| 19:46 | except 999$c, 999$d, and 245$b. | |
| 19:46 | I suppose the conversion from MARC::Record back to MARCXML probably creates those. | |
| 19:47 | magnuse | sounds like something gmcharlt would know :-) |
| 19:50 | mtompset | oh... perhaps I have to code the @ trick. |
| 19:54 | magnuse | mtompset scores an 'at-trick! |
| 19:54 | * druthb | rolls her eyes. |
| 19:56 | * magnuse | watches druthb's eyes rolling past his desk |
| 19:57 | druthb | lol |
| 20:00 | mtompset | Sorry... only a partial @ trick. |
| 20:00 | Still working on the LEADER field. ;) | |
| 20:00 | But that was it. :) | |
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| 20:46 | mtompset | I'm going to give up on trying to hide the leader record. |
| 20:46 | I got everything else workings, as far as I know. | |
| 20:46 | I mean leader field. | |
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| 20:52 | rhcl | @seen bag |
| 20:52 | huggin? | |
| 20:52 | wahanui | i think huggin is a bot |
| 20:52 | rhcl | yea, well, where is (s)he? |
| 20:53 | @wunder 64507 | |
| 20:53 | d* bot is off on a bender somewhere | |
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| 21:14 | tcohen | @seen Joubu |
| 21:15 | wizzyrea | you will note that huginn is not in the user list at the moment. |
| 21:15 | ping gmcharlt, when you have a moment, huginn needs a kick :) | |
| 21:18 | tcohen | oh, thanks wizzyrea |
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| 21:22 | pablito | hi all |
| 21:23 | my koha 3.14 doesn't send overdue messages to patrons | |
| 21:23 | the triggers are setup | |
| 21:23 | but the process table is not populated | |
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| 21:40 | wizzyrea | Does anyone out there have a (hopefully nice) comment about the work the academy kids did? |
| 21:40 | hehe. | |
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| 21:49 | wizzyrea | there he is! |
| 21:49 | rhcl | bum |
| 21:49 | gmcharlt | @quote random |
| 21:49 | huginn | gmcharlt: Quote #15: "<|Lupin|>ricardo: you are like the Portuguese Hitchcock!!" (added by wizzyrea at 02:58 PM, July 10, 2009) |
| 21:49 | rhcl | @seen bag |
| 21:49 | huginn | rhcl: bag was last seen in #koha 1 week, 4 days, 22 hours, 34 minutes, and 19 seconds ago: * bag makes a loud banging noise |
| 21:49 | wizzyrea | pablito: I'm going to guess you have the cron jobs set up? |
| 21:50 | pablito | the overdue.pl is already setup by default |
| 21:51 | wizzyrea: now, I try to run that script manually and it gives me this error: unable to locate Koha configuration file koha-conf.xml at /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/Context.pm line 372. | |
| 21:51 | Can't call method "config" on unblessed reference at /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/Context.pm line 797. | |
| 21:52 | eythian | pablito: how have you installed Koha? |
| 21:52 | wizzyrea | also wb gmcharlt |
| 21:53 | pablito | eythian: I did apt-get install koha-common in Ubuntu |
| 21:53 | eythian | OK |
| 21:53 | do you have email configured on your server. | |
| 21:53 | ? | |
| 21:53 | pablito | that's the thing, I remember ever setting up the email server for Koha |
| 21:53 | I DON'T remember ... | |
| 21:54 | it didn't ask me to setup the email server | |
| 21:58 | wizzyrea | why oh why do we still allow the DB user to log in to the regular staff client. Why. WHY. |
| 21:59 | pablito | wizzyrea: ??? |
| 21:59 | wizzyrea | it's not related to you ;) |
| 22:00 | unless you are loggin in as the database user. In which case, don't do that. | |
| 22:00 | eythian | wizzyrea: because if you didn't, you couldn't create a user. |
| 22:00 | wizzyrea | logging* |
| 22:00 | then there needs to be another mechanism for that. | |
| 22:00 | eythian | it's also very handy for nipping in and tweaking a syspref |
| 22:01 | wizzyrea | I agree that it's handy for power users. |
| 22:01 | eythian | pablito: have a look at a user that should have got an email, see if it's in there and marked as sent. |
| 22:01 | wizzyrea | for people who know better than to circ with that account. |
| 22:02 | eythian | wizzyrea: There is a big screamy warning now, don't know if it works though. |
| 22:02 | wizzyrea | it doesn't |
| 22:02 | bug 11590 | |
| 22:02 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=11590 critical, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Needs Signoff , Librarian able to checkout item without setting branch first |
| 22:03 | wizzyrea | GIANT WARNING ... does it anyway. |
| 22:03 | eythian | pablito: if it says it has sent, then you probably have a misconfigured mail server on your system. |
| 22:03 | pablito | eythian: where do I check for the message or the status "sent"? |
| 22:04 | tcohen_ | pablito: apt-cache policy postfix |
| 22:05 | eythian | http://manual.koha-community.o[…]ninformation.html <-- pablito, section 9.7 |
| 22:06 | * eythian | wishes you could link to sections |
| 22:06 | pablito | tcohen_: Here's what I got after running that command: |
| 22:06 | postfix: Installed: (none) Candidate: 2.9.6-1~12.04.1 Version table: 2.9.6-1~12.04.1 0 500 http://il.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ precise-updates/main i386 Packages 2.9.1-4 0 500 http://il.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ precise/main i386 Packages | |
| 22:10 | eythian | wizzyrea: that's also part of the reason we never give out the database passwords, so end users _shouldn't_ be able to do that. Also, giving out database passwords strikes me as a terrible idea. |
| 22:11 | pablito | eythian: hmm, sect 9.7 it doesn't really tell me how to get to the message list |
| 22:11 | wizzyrea | having the login be the db password seems like a bad idea to me :/ |
| 22:11 | at all, ever. | |
| 22:11 | except maybe for upgrades. | |
| 22:11 | eythian | wizzyrea: it's how you configure things |
| 22:12 | pablito: it's the notices tab on the left hand side when you're viewing a user. | |
| 22:12 | wizzyrea | yea, I'm thinking of a mechanism by which you add a user and define your first library at install time |
| 22:12 | add a user, define your first library, and your first circ rule. | |
| 22:12 | eythian | wizzyrea: it'd make life a lot harder for us |
| 22:12 | pablito | eythian: ah, I saw that there was no message. |
| 22:12 | eythian | wizzyrea: because now we have no sure way of logging in ever |
| 22:13 | wizzyrea | right, I thought of that as well - which could lead to things like a "vendor mode" which has a pre-defined login added as part of the koha-sites or something |
| 22:13 | eythian | and then someone deletes it or something. |
| 22:14 | dollars to doughnuts it'll just cause people to get stuck, and piles of questions asking how to log in the first time. | |
| 22:14 | wizzyrea | yep, it would have to be undeletable |
| 22:14 | ok, for arguments sake | |
| 22:14 | wordpress requires a user be defined by the person installing at install time | |
| 22:15 | it comes with a default username, highly suggesting you change it | |
| 22:15 | allows the user to set the password then | |
| 22:15 | it's an ok workflow, I think | |
| 22:16 | eythian | yeah, but we need a separation between "users we have" and "users they have" so that they can't lock us out. |
| 22:16 | wizzyrea | right, I think that falls into what I might think of as "vendor mode" |
| 22:17 | rather like the wordpress multisites, a user of a site can't delete the administrator of the overall site | |
| 22:17 | gmcharlt | spitballing -- is "you must give us shell access on request in order to support you" a solution for you? |
| 22:18 | eythian | gmcharlt: no, because we have shell access :) but often need to log in to flip a syspref or something. The easy way of doing that is to look up the password in koha-conf and log in using that to do it. |
| 22:18 | gmcharlt | especially since it might solve the following problem from the user's POV: "my vendor has somehow gotten their internal database of credentials compromised, and I want to change all the passwords until they sort it out" |
| 22:19 | eythian: indeed, that's the easy way ;) | |
| 22:20 | possibly an obvious step forward: even if we keep a koha-conf.xml-defined superlibrarian account, there is zero reason why it *has* to be based on the DB credentials | |
| 22:21 | it can just be a username and password | |
| 22:21 | eythian | There is an issue with having a default database user like some install guides show, as it's hard to change and easy for someone to figure out. |
| 22:21 | gmcharlt | although -- convenience aside -- it really ought to be hashed |
| 22:21 | wizzyrea | ^ is kind of what I was thinking, a user added by koha-sites, and possibly flagged as undeletable |
| 22:21 | password randomly generated | |
| 22:22 | different from the db user | |
| 22:22 | eythian | a similar option would be to have a user/pw in there that maps to a specially flagged user in the db that can't be deleted. |
| 22:22 | if it is deleted, then it falls back into the current partially broken mode to allow you to recover it. | |
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| 22:23 | wizzyrea | I guess you can't guarantee that your first user won't be deleted if you say, truncate borrowers. |
| 22:23 | but wp would have the same issue. I've never tried it | |
| 22:23 | eythian | yeah exactly |
| 22:24 | wizzyrea | idk what it does there. |
| 22:24 | I suspect it would be massively broken and you'd have to do gymnastics to get out of that situation | |
| 22:24 | gmcharlt | there has to be *some* point where one just sighs, and fires up koha-mysql ;) |
| 22:24 | wizzyrea | well and if the #1 user doesn't exist |
| 22:24 | why wouldn't it just prompt you to create a new one? | |
| 22:25 | eythian | then anyone could just create an admin user |
| 22:25 | wizzyrea | or "go set a variable in your conf to allow creation of a new user" |
| 22:25 | eythian | (assuming it got deleted) |
| 22:25 | wizzyrea | that's kind of like koha-mysql, you can do anything if you have sudo on the server |
| 22:26 | honestly it could go on the way it is, it's just... it seems it could be better. clearly the warning isn't being heeded. | |
| 22:26 | * dcook | whilst stumbling upon this conversation : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xp0vr1n25u4 |
| 22:26 | wizzyrea | (actually I just a couple of weeks ago had a library that was using the DB user systematically as their only staff account.) |
| 22:27 | dcook | (O_O) |
| 22:27 | wizzyrea | it might have worked ok in 3.2, but 3.14? yea, naw, that won't really do. |
| 22:27 | eythian | wizzyrea: not one of ours I hope? |
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| 22:28 | wizzyrea | not one on our servers, no. |
| 22:28 | eythian | that's why I'd be quite happy to turn off things like the circ function. And/or having an overlay that you have to click through on the main screen that tells you why you're a bad person for doing this. |
| 22:28 | wizzyrea | THIS IS BAD AND YOU SHOULD FEEL BAD. |
| 22:28 | dcook | ^ |
| 22:29 | wizzyrea | to be fair, most places catch you if you try to do something that say, requires a branch |
| 22:29 | like circ. | |
| 22:29 | this one spot, didn't | |
| 22:29 | but I feel that's enabling people to do the thing we don't want them to do | |
| 22:30 | eythian | well, that's not hte whole problem. Not having a borrower account can cause problems. |
| 22:30 | wizzyrea | yea, there's bad all over the place with the DB user. |
| 22:31 | probably instead of prompting to select a branch, we should just take them to the add user page. :P With giant red arrows "TICK HERE. AND HERE. AND DO THIS." | |
| 22:31 | that's probably overkill ;) | |
| 22:34 | eythian | well, it's also good should someone do something with a syspref that locks them out or something |
| 22:34 | I'd think blocking access to anything other than admin, borrowers, and so forth would be good. Along with a message saying why they're not available. | |
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| 22:43 | wizzyrea | either way, what started this whole thing was someone doing something they were told not to, then marking it critical. :P |
| 22:43 | that's like reading the law, breaking it anyway, then being mad at the people who wrote the law. | |
| 22:44 | because they let you break ti. | |
| 22:44 | fortunately, we are in the lovely position of rigidly defining the law so that it can't be broken. :P | |
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| 22:58 | cjh | magnuse: just replied to your github koha-gitify issue :) |
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| 23:08 | * cait | waves |
| 23:08 | rhcl | waves |
| 23:08 | * eythian | calms |
| 23:09 | rhcl | calms waves? |
| 23:10 | eythian | well everyone else was waving, but it's not very windy outside. |
| 23:11 | rhcl | ah, compare - contrast |
| 23:13 | cait | :) |
| 23:15 | eythian | gmcharlt: there seems to be a versioning issue with MARC-XML 1.0.2, debian things are seeing it as 1..2. |
| 23:15 | I can work around it, and don't know where it's coming from, so just fyi | |
| 23:16 | gmcharlt | noted, thanks |
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| 23:21 | eythian | libmarc-xml-perl packages updated. |
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