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| 02:34 | dcook | Quick question if anyone is around... |
| 02:34 | If you're testing a patch and something is wrong, do you fail it or sign off with a follow-up fix? | |
| 03:01 | rangi | http://geonet.org.nz/quakes/re[…]aland/2014p051675 |
| 03:01 | felt that | |
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| 03:04 | dcook | Apparently, I've had earthquakes happen around me, but I've only known because I was told afterward. How might that feel? |
| 03:04 | 6.3 that is? | |
| 03:31 | hehe | |
| 03:31 | "eythian: The koha community is a major force in preventing the extinction of zebras with the amount we're rebuilding." | |
| 03:49 | rangi: When might the bug count on the dashboard turn yellow/green? | |
| 03:51 | All things considered...Koha is actually rather impressive. We might have quite a few bugs to sign off, but the oldest is from October 24th. That's not even 3 months ago. | |
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| 04:24 | mtompset | Greetings, #koha. |
| 04:24 | dcook: I just commented on one of your bugs. ;) | |
| 04:27 | dcook | Cool. Which one? |
| 04:27 | mtompset | 11575 |
| 04:28 | see also bug 6800 | |
| 04:28 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6800 major, P3, ---, jcamins, CLOSED WONTFIX, Koha authentication should handle proxies better |
| 04:29 | dcook | Yes, I already wrote that in the first comment. |
| 04:30 | I think it makes more sense to use the system preference, as we use it elsewhere in Koha. | |
| 04:32 | mtompset | If we handled proxies properly, I would think that using the URL directly would make more sense. ;) |
| 04:32 | But since we don't, I agree that using the system preference makes more sense. | |
| 04:43 | dcook | Perhaps. I think that we would need to check through Koha and see why we're using the system preference instead, so that we don't spit out links with two different URLs |
| 04:52 | mtompset | hey, do you have any brilliant thoughts on how to get the framework code or biblionumber if you only have a MARC record? |
| 04:55 | I don't want to have to edit a whole bunch of files to add another parameter, but it is looking like I may have to do that. :( | |
| 04:58 | dcook | I would say... |
| 04:58 | first question? | |
| 04:58 | wahanui | "What are you trying to do?" or "What is the goal?" |
| 05:02 | mtompset | make opac-detail hide the same things that opac-MARCdetail hides. |
| 05:03 | The problem is GetMarcSubjects, GetMarcNotes, etc. don't check the hidden field in marc_subfield_structure. | |
| 05:03 | They grab directly from the koha fields. | |
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| 05:05 | mtompset | So, in order to hide things properly, I may need to pass the biblionumber to those calls, so I can grab the correct hidden field. |
| 05:06 | And then use that in those functions to filter out what shouldn't be shown. :) | |
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| 05:06 | mtompset | Greetings, cait. |
| 05:10 | cait | hi mtompset |
| 05:12 | mtompset | Well, better sleep now. |
| 05:13 | Have a great day (24 hour period), #koha dcook cait. :) | |
| 05:20 | dcook | hey cait |
| 05:34 | cait | hi dcook |
| 05:34 | i wanted to add it to your bug but forgot | |
| 05:34 | there had been some discussion about opacbaseurl on irc | |
| 05:34 | because i ran into a problem with the cart/list emails there | |
| 05:34 | dcook | Oh? |
| 05:35 | cait | bug 5010 |
| 05:35 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5010 normal, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, Needs Signoff , Incomplete links in carts and lists sent from the staff client |
| 05:36 | cait | when i worked on this |
| 05:36 | galen suggested doing a pref then | |
| 05:36 | haven't taken a closer look at oyur patches yet I am afraid :( | |
| 05:37 | dcook | Mine uses the system preference if it is set. If it isn't set, it uses the SERVER_NAME |
| 05:38 | Although if I had been smarter, I would've done it like this | |
| 05:38 | 1) system preference 2) if no, syspref - check for http_forwarded_x_host 3) if no http_forwarded_x_host - server_name | |
| 05:38 | cait | not sure if it'ssmarter |
| 05:38 | part of the discussion was about multibranchsetups | |
| 05:39 | with different opac urls | |
| 05:39 | i think | |
| 05:39 | dcook | I think you mentioned them being able to use apache config to do that |
| 05:40 | cait | I am not sure i get all the ifs thens that are needed here - that's why I chose my solution and didn't clean it up totally :) |
| 05:42 | aah | |
| 05:42 | dcook: i think the main problem was fnding the right opac url from staff | |
| 05:42 | because we are using links to the opac in the list and cart email and on the opac detail screen i think | |
| 05:42 | http://irc.koha-community.org/[…]3-12-09#i_1435556 | |
| 05:42 | staff detail | |
| 05:43 | dcook | Sorry what line am I looking for? |
| 05:44 | OPACBaseURL is a bit of a mess.. | |
| 05:44 | cait | sorry i am confusing :) |
| 05:44 | yes it is | |
| 05:44 | it drove me nuts trying to fix the stupid links | |
| 05:44 | cait: one issue re your last comment -- constructing a base URL using $ENV{'SERVER_NAME'} from the *staff* interface won't necessarily give the correct result | |
| 05:44 | that's hwat galen said | |
| 05:45 | dcook | "we acutally have links into the opac for the intranet mails as well" |
| 05:45 | I've been thinking about that as well | |
| 05:45 | I imagine there might be other cases where we use OPACBaseURL without a http request | |
| 05:45 | cait | hm why without a http request? |
| 05:46 | sorry, i am really confusing here | |
| 05:46 | dcook | No, not at all |
| 05:46 | cait | but i thoguth maybe the discussion had some interesting bits for you |
| 05:46 | dcook | You're probably right |
| 05:46 | cait | and hoping someone might finally sign off my patch or improve it :) |
| 05:46 | dcook | Just if there's a time where a cronjob is generating a value for OPACBaseURL, but I don't know if that would happen |
| 05:47 | cait | hm i think we don't have that yet |
| 05:47 | dcook | Well, I know I don't like Maxime's solution |
| 05:47 | cait | but it seems that when the intranet files generate a url into the opac it's also a bit complicated |
| 05:47 | dcook | Hardcoding http isn't a good idea |
| 05:47 | cait | yeah that's why i did the alternative patches |
| 05:47 | as another proposal how to solve it | |
| 05:47 | not in a perfect way tho.. but maybe improving it some for now | |
| 05:48 | dcook | Hmm, I'm not sure |
| 05:49 | I'd probably prefer to use CGI's https() method rather than a system preference | |
| 05:49 | Then again, with a proxy, that could be a problem too | |
| 05:49 | Although there might be a forwarded value for that as well.. | |
| 05:49 | cait | dcook: but would that work if you try to determine the OPAC uses https from the intranet? |
| 05:50 | i imagine it woudl just tell you if the staff odes use httsp | |
| 05:50 | dcook | Mmm, that's true |
| 05:51 | I keep forgetting about that crossing over from the intranet to the opac | |
| 05:52 | cait | as you said... it's messy |
| 05:52 | dcook | I wonder how much interrogation of the apache config could be done |
| 05:53 | I suppose some people might have SSL mostly set up without actually using it though.. | |
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| 07:02 | cait | @later tell ashimema - I think bug 11519 is a duplicate to your development, but I can't find the bug, maybe you can? |
| 07:02 | huginn | cait: The operation succeeded. |
| 07:05 | cait | @wunder Konstanz |
| 07:05 | huginn | cait: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is 2.0°C (8:00 AM CET on January 20, 2014). Conditions: Mist. Humidity: 88%. Dew Point: 1.0°C. Pressure: 29.61 in 1002 hPa (Rising). |
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| 07:08 | * magnuse | waves |
| 07:09 | magnuse | @wunder boo |
| 07:09 | huginn | magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is -8.0°C (7:20 AM CET on January 20, 2014). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 53%. Dew Point: -16.0°C. Windchill: -17.0°C. Pressure: 30.21 in 1023 hPa (Steady). |
| 07:09 | magnuse | nice... |
| 07:09 | cait | ah |
| 07:10 | finally a real winter? | |
| 07:10 | magnuse | hehe yeah |
| 07:10 | almost too real ;-) | |
| 07:10 | cait | it's supposed to get colder here now too |
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| 07:12 | cait | morning ashimema |
| 07:12 | i was thinking about you like 5 minutes ago :) | |
| 07:12 | ashimema | that was quck cait.. my computer hasn't fully started yet.. |
| 07:13 | :) | |
| 07:13 | glad to know i'm in your thoughts ;) | |
| 07:14 | cait | always ;) |
| 07:14 | ashimema | what bugs? |
| 07:14 | wahanui | somebody said bugs was http://devopsreactions.tumblr.[…]ter-a-new-release |
| 07:15 | ashimema | looks like huggin just caught up ;) |
| 07:16 | cait | i think i was thnking about 10477 |
| 07:17 | bug 10477 | |
| 07:17 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10477 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kohapatch, Failed QA , Increased flexibility for upload of Staged MARC records |
| 07:23 | magnuse | hm, what happened to http://lists.katipo.co.nz/ ? |
| 07:23 | cait | bbiab |
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| 07:40 | reiveune | hello |
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| 07:48 | magnuse | bonjour reiveune paul_p paul_p_ |
| 07:49 | reiveune | salut magnuse :) |
| 07:49 | paul_p_ | I don't understand why 3 xirc are opening when I switch my computer ON... |
| 07:49 | 'morning #koha | |
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| 07:50 | gaetan_B | hello |
| 07:50 | alex_a | bonjour |
| 07:50 | wahanui | what's up, alex_a |
| 07:52 | magnuse | paul_p_: to help you be 3x more effective? ;-) |
| 07:53 | reiveune | gaetan_B: salut, tu me tiens au courant pour chaillot stp |
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| 07:58 | cait | good morning #koha |
| 07:59 | magnuse | kia ora cait |
| 08:00 | cait | hi magnus :) |
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| 08:09 | Joubu | hello |
| 08:11 | cait | hi Joubu |
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| 08:57 | nlegrand | Hey #koha |
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| 09:10 | cait | hi nlegrand |
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| 09:11 | petter | good day koha! |
| 09:11 | cait | god morgen petter |
| 09:11 | petter | hi kathrin |
| 09:11 | cait | oh please no h :) |
| 09:12 | petter | sorry! |
| 09:12 | katrin | |
| 09:12 | cait | perfect :) |
| 09:12 | just one of my pet peeves... people keep adding that extra letter all the time | |
| 09:14 | petter | I'll never do it again! |
| 09:14 | I promise | |
| 09:14 | cait | heh thx :) |
| 09:16 | ah and btw... we need more sign offs people... http://dashboard.koha-community.org/ | |
| 09:16 | or qa will run out of things to qa soon ;) | |
| 09:27 | petter | cait: I'm on it! |
| 09:27 | cait | :) |
| 09:27 | petter | Speaking of |
| 09:27 | There are many patches that changes the database, run updatedatabase.pl | |
| 09:27 | sp | |
| 09:27 | so | |
| 09:27 | Is there an automated way to roll back changes? | |
| 09:27 | cait | hm not yet |
| 09:28 | petter | Or do I have to manually dump the database and import it after |
| 09:28 | oh, too bad | |
| 09:28 | cait | what i do is a mysqldump if i have a structural change to test |
| 09:28 | and reload the database after my test | |
| 09:28 | petter | Would help speed up the process |
| 09:28 | cait | for sysprefs i mostly leave them in or delete them manually |
| 09:28 | i think it woudl be really hard in some cases to provide an undo | |
| 09:29 | petter | I was just thinking of a script to automat dumb and import |
| 09:29 | like koha-db-set-restore-point | |
| 09:29 | and | |
| 09:29 | koha-db-restore | |
| 09:29 | cait | hmnot sure, maybe something in the packages could |
| 09:29 | petter | Maybe I should stop complaining and start do it myself! |
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| 09:30 | marcelr | hi #koha |
| 09:31 | cait | petter: i think writing a script for your personal use is probably quite easy, a general solution might be a bit harder |
| 09:33 | petter | yes you're right |
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| 09:35 | Yaxh | Hi, I am Yaxh :) new to koha... |
| 09:36 | cait | hi Yaxh |
| 09:37 | petter | hi Yaxh |
| 09:37 | welcome | |
| 09:37 | * magnuse | started on a testing script once, but have not been maintaining it: https://github.com/MagnusEnger[…]b/master/testkoha |
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| 09:49 | magnuse | koha in occitan - very cool! |
| 09:50 | cait | :) |
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| 10:45 | paul_p | "hackfest in Marseille" officially announced and registration open : http://www.biblibre.com/en/blo[…]st-marseille-2014 ! |
| 10:54 | magnuse | paul_p++ |
| 11:02 | cait | paul_p++ |
| 11:04 | paul_p | magnuse & cait = now, I'm waiting for YOUR registration ;-) |
| 11:07 | cait | paul_p: I woudl love to attend, but I don't know yet if i can |
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| 11:25 | cait | hm the koha mailing list archive still seems down :( |
| 11:25 | http://lists.katipo.co.nz/mailman/listinfo/koha | |
| 11:29 | hm katipo's website seems also not working well | |
| 11:32 | magnuse | oops |
| 11:38 | gaetan_B | hmmm there's a confition where the accordion for editing subfields in the framework structure is misbehaving but i can't characterize it yet |
| 11:38 | has anyone else seen this ? | |
| 11:39 | once i want to unfold advanced constraints everything gets hidden, and i can't unhide any, the headers are still there, clicking on them activates them | |
| 11:39 | but the content doesn't unfold | |
| 11:42 | maybe it's linked to bug 11570 | |
| 11:42 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=11570 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Needs Signoff , Upgrade jQueryUI to latest version in the staff client |
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| 11:58 | tcohen | morning #koha |
| 12:00 | cait++ # such a good qa manager | |
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| 12:06 | magnuse | ¡hola tcohen! |
| 12:07 | tcohen | hi magnuse |
| 12:07 | wahanui | hi magnuse are you spending much time in oslo? |
| 12:08 | tcohen | do u plan to hack on the apache 2.4 bug? |
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| 12:09 | tcohen | i ask just because I'll be busy for some days on bug 11096 |
| 12:09 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=11096 major, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Failed QA , Koha cannot retreive big records from Zebra |
| 12:10 | magnuse | tcohen: not really - i don't think i would know how to move existing installations from no .conf to .conf extension |
| 12:10 | tcohen | the way to solve it is to "fallback" to non .conf for old setups |
| 12:11 | if you happen to plan working on that just let me know | |
| 12:12 | i'll do it otherwise as soon as I finish working on that bug | |
| 12:13 | gmcharlt: do u know of anyone that can write UNIMARC unit tests? | |
| 12:17 | magnuse | i'll be working full speed on bug 11401 for the next week, so you'll probably beat me to it (which is a good thing, since i would be fairly clueless about the fallback strategy too...) |
| 12:17 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=11401 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, magnus, ASSIGNED , Add support for Norwegian national library card |
| 12:19 | tcohen | magnuse: that's great |
| 12:25 | jcamins: r u around? | |
| 12:26 | #koha: anyone with UNIMARC knowledge around? | |
| 12:35 | *+++++++++++/* | |
| 12:35 | cait | tcohen: glad you are not grumpy :) |
| 12:35 | tcohen | sorry for that, they where just cleaning my desk and pushed some keys |
| 12:38 | cait: i need to write regression tests for UNIMARC searches | |
| 12:38 | and know nothing about UNIMARC | |
| 12:50 | cait | hm not sure it needs to be very specific |
| 12:51 | there are records in the sandbox sample database | |
| 12:51 | i use those :) | |
| 12:51 | you could just 'blow up' one of those records maybe | |
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| 13:13 | cait | tcohen: you can download the sandbox databaess from git |
| 13:14 | tcohen | where? |
| 13:16 | sandboxes? | |
| 13:16 | wahanui | it has been said that sandboxes is fantastic for testing! Kudos #koha |
| 13:16 | tcohen | sandboxes? |
| 13:16 | wahanui | sandboxes is fantastic for testing! Kudos #koha |
| 13:18 | cait | tcohen: it#s on our git |
| 13:18 | tcohen | koha.git? |
| 13:18 | cait | http://git.koha-community.org/[…]d4282be80922cb457 |
| 13:19 | tcohen | thanks cait |
| 13:28 | * tcohen | is gettting grumpy |
| 13:28 | tcohen | my dev setup fr UNIMARC using GRS-1 for biblios |
| 13:29 | seems to give me an error "Record syntax not supported" | |
| 13:31 | magnuse | tcohen: did you set marcflavour = unimarc? |
| 13:31 | (the marcflavour syspref, that is) | |
| 13:34 | tcohen | magnuse: thanks, but I'm using a default setup (choosing unimarc in the right places) |
| 13:35 | and right now, my problem is talking to zebra using yaz-client | |
| 13:35 | magnuse | ah, ok |
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| 13:51 | tcohen | joubu |
| 13:52 | Joubu: around? | |
| 13:53 | Joubu | tcohen: yep |
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| 15:08 | cait | ie-- |
| 15:08 | grr. | |
| 15:31 | * tcohen | needs more coffee so he can focus on UNIMARC unit tests... |
| 15:38 | alex_a | cait++ |
| 15:38 | tcohen | need a UNIMARCguru... pleaseeeeee |
| 15:44 | free croisants for the volunteers? :-P | |
| 15:54 | gaetan_B | tcohen: is it a question that could be answered in a few minutes ? |
| 15:54 | tcohen | yes |
| 15:55 | can u provide me a full koha - marc mapping? | |
| 15:55 | gaetan_B | hmmm yes |
| 15:55 | tcohen | the default is lacking several items |
| 15:55 | gaetan_B | there should be one in the install files actually |
| 15:55 | ok, we actually recycle it in different ways depending on the customer's wishes | |
| 15:55 | tcohen | booksellerid, cn_source, cn_sort and so on |
| 15:56 | so there's is no complete default | |
| 15:56 | gaetan_B | but maybe we could make the default more complete indeed |
| 15:56 | tcohen | I need at least something more complete so I can make proper unit tests for unimarc |
| 15:57 | no need for a patch for me, just information, so I can write tests for 11096 | |
| 15:59 | where do u live gaetan_B? | |
| 15:59 | gaetan_B | tcohen: paris :) |
| 16:00 | i'm reading the bz in order to get what it is about | |
| 16:00 | tcohen | so, maybe I can actually give you the croissant |
| 16:00 | gaetan_B | ooh |
| 16:00 | where are you ? | |
| 16:00 | tcohen | argentina |
| 16:00 | wahanui | argentina is in for kohacon13 |
| 16:00 | gaetan_B | :D |
| 16:00 | that's one very far croissant | |
| 16:00 | tcohen | but will be in paris in a couple of month, for a few days thou |
| 16:00 | gaetan_B | aaah |
| 16:01 | cait | tcohen: intall french sample files |
| 16:01 | tcohen | =) |
| 16:02 | cait | i think they are the most complete |
| 16:02 | tcohen | ok cait, will give it a try |
| 16:02 | gaetan_B | tcohen: do cn_source and cn_sort really need to be linked to some unimarc fields ? |
| 16:03 | tcohen | i'm not sure gaetan_B, i know nothing about UNIMARC |
| 16:03 | gaetan_B | damn tcohen you're right it seems |
| 16:03 | it should be mapped to something for callnumber sorting to work | |
| 16:04 | tcohen | as cait said, maybe we expect people using UNIMARC use it in french |
| 16:04 | gaetan_B | there's no mapping in the defaults for french eitehr |
| 16:05 | tcohen | will u fill a bug for this? |
| 16:08 | gaetan_B | tcohen: i think i should |
| 16:09 | since it means callnumber sorting is broken out of the in unimarc | |
| 16:09 | tcohen: what are the other mappings that are missing for your tests ? | |
| 16:10 | pastebot | "tcohen" at 172.22.66.78 pasted "UNIMARC mappings" (35 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/94 |
| 16:10 | tcohen | the empty ones are the ones missing, I'm not sur eif they are needed or not |
| 16:11 | this are the mappings that MARC21 unit tests set | |
| 16:11 | I want to replicate for UNIMARC so we can have decent Unit Tests for UNIMARC | |
| 16:11 | gaetan_B | are items subfields normalized in marc21 ? (they are not in unimarc, there is only a "recommandation") |
| 16:12 | tcohen | disclaimer: I migth be all wrong, but have good will on improving things |
| 16:12 | gaetan_B: this fields have default mappings in MARC21 as they do in UNIMARC | |
| 16:13 | and can be changed of course to match some library's needs | |
| 16:13 | a good default should be enough for both the users and the tests | |
| 16:13 | gaetan_B | what i mean is a lot of these fields are not mapped by default because they don't match any standard |
| 16:13 | that's not a good reason not to set up something by default in koha though | |
| 16:15 | tcohen | i'm not sure what to say, gaetan_B. I guess I could just leave them as they are now and start looking what is broken in a default UNIMARC setup... |
| 16:15 | that'd be a good thing actually | |
| 16:18 | gaetan_B | tcohen: ok let's create a bz for this, something like "bette defaults for unimarc items mapping" |
| 16:18 | cn_sort, damaged are issues | |
| 16:18 | but we might as well fiw a few more things on the way | |
| 16:19 | i'm creating it tcohen | |
| 16:19 | i am afraid this is not going to sort your problem though :) | |
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| 17:04 | reiveune | bye |
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| 18:22 | gaetan_B | bye ! |
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| 18:33 | mtompset | Greetings, #koha. |
| 18:33 | druthb | hi, mtompset. :) |
| 18:34 | mtompset | Does anyone have a framework defined where tagfield=773 or 461 have a defined kohafield value in marc_subfield_structure? |
| 18:34 | Greetings, druthb. | |
| 18:34 | tcohen | 461 is for unimarc? |
| 18:34 | mtompset | yes. |
| 18:35 | I don't really care which. | |
| 18:35 | I just want to know what the kohafield value is supposed to be. | |
| 18:35 | I'm looking at GetMarcHosts() | |
| 18:36 | tcohen | maybe use print p($kohafield) ? :-P |
| 18:36 | mtompset | I would like to grab the proper marc_subfield_structure record, such that I can look at hidden. |
| 18:36 | tcohen: I looked at my DB and they are all blank or NULL. | |
| 18:37 | That doesn't really help me write nice generic code. | |
| 18:37 | tcohen | im' sorry mtompset, i'm deadlocked here with other stuff |
| 18:37 | mtompset | Not a problem. |
| 18:38 | Perhaps I'll just ignore that one for now, and keep going. :) | |
| 18:39 | * tcohen | always tries to keep going |
| 18:40 | tcohen | druthb: question on internationalization |
| 18:40 | mtompset | No questions. just do it! ;) |
| 18:40 | druthb | ask, tcohen. |
| 18:40 | mtompset: don't make me get the pointy stick out! | |
| 18:40 | tcohen | facets show "Label (number of records)" |
| 18:41 | and if it is right to left they are broken | |
| 18:41 | mtompset | Sorry, I believe gmcharlt fried them, last I checked. :P |
| 18:41 | tcohen | something like ") Label number of records)" |
| 18:41 | magnuse | fried facets? yum! |
| 18:41 | mtompset | no... fried the pointy sticks. |
| 18:42 | druthb | color me unsurprised, tcohen. RTL display generally doesn't cope well with parens and other punctuation. |
| 18:42 | could be something dodgy in the po, though. | |
| 18:42 | tcohen | is it ok to show them the same as left-to-right? |
| 18:42 | druthb | I would think so, yes. Might want to confirm that with an actual RTL speaker. |
| 18:42 | tcohen | I think they can be fixed wrapping each thing in a span |
| 18:42 | druthb | mtompset: I'm a woodworker. Plenty of sticks. |
| 18:42 | tcohen | label & count of course |
| 18:43 | just need to know if that's how it is supposed to show | |
| 18:43 | druthb | tcohen, that might well fix it for you, using a pair of spans. |
| 18:43 | I would expect (#) Label | |
| 18:43 | tcohen | if it is mixed with LTR facets too? |
| 18:44 | druthb | yeah, I'd think so. The layout would look tidier, certainly. |
| 18:44 | And when I was dealing with Arabic readers, I found that *even in English*, they like stuff flush-right more often than not. | |
| 18:45 | tcohen | oh |
| 18:45 | I use an english template, with mixed RTL and LTR facets | |
| 18:46 | haven't tried how bad does an RTL template show this | |
| 18:46 | druthb | The text within a string might be either way, depending on what it's written in, of course. But an overall RTL layout seems to make things smoother for RTL-centric readers. |
| 18:47 | When I was *in* Jordan, we had a number of crash-test dummies for that sort of thing; Ihab would call in one of the office folks, and we'd say, "does this make sense?" | |
| 18:50 | tcohen | yes druth, i'd be great to ask them |
| 18:51 | how should facets show in both RTL and LTR contexts, for RTL labels and counts | |
| 18:51 | once we know that, we can fix it :-D | |
| 18:52 | i filled bug 11117 after hearing you in reno :-D | |
| 18:52 | druthb | I would assume that semi-random Arabs would be kind of scarce in your part of Argentina. |
| 18:52 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=11117 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , Right to left text in facets + facet count = mixed text |
| 18:53 | tcohen | indeed |
| 18:53 | oh, the screenshot I attached in the bug looks better than I thought :-P | |
| 18:54 | druthb | I would kick it out to the koha-translate list, perhaps, and ask for some Arabic input. Karam Qubsi used to be a member of that list, and was willing to talk about such things. |
| 18:55 | tcohen | ok, I'll ask about this on the list, please help me if they are not too responsive :-D |
| 18:55 | druthb | :P |
| 18:55 | * tcohen | loves lobbying |
| 18:57 | * druthb | hunts for a way to blame cait, but fails. |
| 18:57 | blames cait anyway | |
| 18:58 | * tcohen | knows cait had a hard day today. Will blame her tomorrow |
| 18:59 | druthb | fair 'nuf. |
| 18:59 | * druthb | blames talljoy instead |
| 19:02 | * tcohen | halts digging into UNIMARC unit tests assuming the problem is on the tests NOT UNIMARC related |
| 19:02 | tcohen | bye felllows, bbl |
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| 19:14 | smrt | is it possible to run a php based website on the same port as koha just in a different directory? |
| 19:16 | mtompset | That's what name based virtual hosts are about in Apache, aren't they? |
| 19:18 | smrt | oh so i can just put two different virtual hosts in with the same port? |
| 19:19 | with a different document root? | |
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| 19:33 | mtompset | As far as I know, yes. |
| 19:33 | but the NAME has to be different. | |
| 19:34 | YAY! I think I have it. | |
| 19:34 | I think I have hiding mostly working correctly. | |
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| 19:34 | magnuse | heh, gmail keeps giving me ads for holidays in nz. sigh... |
| 19:36 | smrt | ok thanks. and happy holidays? |
| 19:37 | * mtompset | laughs. |
| 19:38 | mtompset | Lucky you, magnuse. ;) |
| 19:38 | * magnuse | wishes he could say "gmail keeps giving me holidays in nz" |
| 19:39 | has an empty inbox and runs away from his computer before it starts filling up again | |
| 19:39 | * mtompset | smirks. |
| 19:40 | mtompset | Don't we all want holidays? :) |
| 19:51 | Bahruz joined #koha | |
| 19:51 | Bahruz | hi all |
| 19:53 | i need help about 3.14.00.000 | |
| 19:53 | koha 3.14.00.000 | |
| 19:54 | mtompset | Wow... that's useful. |
| 19:54 | * mtompset | grumbles. |
| 19:54 | mtompset | OPACXSLTDetailsDisplay --- GRRRR. |
| 19:54 | Bahruz joined #koha | |
| 19:54 | Bahruz | i need support with money |
| 19:55 | infocaspinet.com |
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| 19:55 | it's my mail | |
| 19:55 | plz help me my friends | |
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| 19:56 | * cait | waves |
| 19:56 | Bahruz | i'm waiting |
| 19:59 | mtompset | Bahruz: you don't even state what you need help with. |
| 20:00 | Bahruz | i installed koha 3.14.00 |
| 20:00 | mtompset | And? |
| 20:01 | Bahruz | when i'm trying add biblio record Software error: |
| 20:01 | Can't call method "fields" on an undefined value at /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/Biblio.pm line 2507. | |
| 20:01 | i dont know what i must do? | |
| 20:01 | mtompset | Bahruz, are you logged in as the system user or as a superlibrarian that you created after installing? |
| 20:02 | Bahruz | i created user as superlibrarian permisson |
| 20:02 | mtompset | And then you logged in as that user? |
| 20:02 | Bahruz | yea |
| 20:02 | mtompset | And then did you create libraries? |
| 20:03 | Bahruz | yes |
| 20:03 | i installed koha for our university library | |
| 20:03 | mtompset | And patron categories? |
| 20:03 | wahanui | patron categories is probably using a different template plugin, isn't it? |
| 20:03 | mtompset | wahanui: forget and patron categories |
| 20:03 | wahanui | mtompset, I didn't have anything matching and patron categories |
| 20:03 | mtompset | wahanui: forget patron categories |
| 20:03 | wahanui | mtompset: I forgot patron categories |
| 20:04 | mtompset | and all the other things you need to set up by default? |
| 20:04 | Bahruz | i used "root" patron category for my user |
| 20:05 | mtompset | Okay, so you did all this default setup stuff. |
| 20:05 | Then what did you do? | |
| 20:06 | cait | did you change the default frameworks? |
| 20:06 | Bahruz | i created new unimarc framework |
| 20:06 | cait | and did you create a patron category with the name root? |
| 20:06 | oh unimarc | |
| 20:06 | what language did you install koha in? | |
| 20:06 | Bahruz | and tried add biblio recod |
| 20:06 | in english | |
| 20:06 | cait | where ar you located? |
| 20:07 | Bahruz | in Azerbaijan |
| 20:07 | cait | hm |
| 20:07 | are libraries in azerbaijan generally using unimarc? | |
| 20:07 | Bahruz | yea |
| 20:07 | cait | aah |
| 20:07 | I didn't knwo that | |
| 20:08 | a lot of countries are using marc21 | |
| 20:08 | Bahruz | cait, are you librarian? |
| 20:08 | cait | yes |
| 20:09 | my guess is, that it could be a mistake in the english frameworks | |
| 20:09 | the french, mostly used, frameworks are sligthly different afaik | |
| 20:09 | could you try administration > test bibliographic framework? | |
| 20:09 | Bahruz | that's why |
| 20:09 | cait | and how did you create the new framework? |
| 20:09 | Bahruz | i tried use default framework |
| 20:09 | but the same error i saw | |
| 20:10 | Software error: | |
| 20:10 | Can't call method "fields" on an undefined value at /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/Biblio.pm line 2507. | |
| 20:10 | cait | hm yes |
| 20:10 | could you run the test on the administration page? | |
| 20:11 | Bahruz | can you use teamviewer? |
| 20:11 | lets' i say u my id and password | |
| 20:11 | connect to my pc | |
| 20:11 | i will show you | |
| 20:11 | ok? | |
| 20:12 | cait | sorry, but i won't |
| 20:13 | i can try to help you here, but i am not very familiar with unimarc | |
| 20:13 | runnign the test on the administration page would bemy next suggestion | |
| 20:13 | you could also try mailing the mailing list - make sure to include the marcflavour, koha version and a good problem description | |
| 20:15 | Bahruz | i need koha devoloper for improve our library system |
| 20:15 | and i want pay this devoloper for his help | |
| 20:15 | cait | there are lots of support provides you could contact |
| 20:15 | listed on the homepage | |
| 20:15 | you could also try the mailing list | |
| 20:32 | chris_n | does this sound familiar folks: http://nerdvittles.com/?p=8721 |
| 20:32 | http://tsdr.uspto.gov/#caseNum[…]Type=statusSearch | |
| 20:36 | * mtompset | grumbles. |
| 20:36 | mtompset | I really dislike fixing non-XSLT, only to discover I need to fix XSLT stuff too. |
| 20:38 | wizzyrea | man i am glad we more or less dodged that bullet. |
| 20:38 | re: chris_n's link | |
| 20:38 | also, good morning, happy #time_of_day | |
| 20:39 | or $day_of_week | |
| 20:39 | @wunder nzwn | |
| 20:39 | huginn | wizzyrea: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 15.0°C (9:30 AM NZDT on January 21, 2014). Conditions: Light Rain Showers. Humidity: 94%. Dew Point: 14.0°C. Pressure: 29.56 in 1001 hPa (Steady). |
| 20:39 | wizzyrea | light rain showers. oh you're funny. |
| 20:39 | mtompset | @wunder l7e 5y5 |
| 20:39 | huginn | mtompset: The current temperature in Schomberg, Ontario is -11.9°C (3:39 PM EST on January 20, 2014). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 64%. Dew Point: -17.0°C. Windchill: -12.0°C. Pressure: 29.86 in 1011 hPa (Rising). |
| 20:40 | * druthb | decides to make mtompset just a lil jealous. |
| 20:40 | druthb | @wunder 77098 |
| 20:41 | huginn | druthb: The current temperature in Greenway Plaza, Houston, Texas is 22.8°C (2:40 PM CST on January 20, 2014). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 50%. Dew Point: 12.0°C. Pressure: 29.88 in 1012 hPa (Falling). |
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| 21:29 | eythian | hi |
| 21:32 | cait | hi eythian |
| 21:32 | eythian | hi cait! |
| 22:03 | mtompset | Have a great day, #koha. I'll be back to ask about filtering a MARCXML record. ;) |
| 22:17 | eythian | http://awfullibrarybooks.net/t[…]oes-seal-hunting/ <-- a baby seal walks into a club |
| 22:37 | jcamins: I see you reproducing a lot of what is already in the csvtomarc I have, you probably want to avoid that. | |
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| 22:48 | eythian | http://twist.redspider.co.nz/captured/gbt32.png <-- cait |
| 22:57 | francharb | bye all |
| 22:58 | dcook | eythian: All the more reason to play scrabble, I would think |
| 22:59 | Apparently French scrabble is quite good because of all the vowels. | |
| 23:04 | eythian | I play scrabble in both en and nl, nl is nice for clearing out vowels. |
| 23:06 | dcook | My wife has been learning a bit of Dutch recently for work, and I saw some of the print outs she had...I have renewed respect for your commitment to the language, eythian |
| 23:08 | I'm sure if I understood the grammar that it might be more comprehensible but dang. It seems close enough to German to understand but then different enough that I'm puzzled. | |
| 23:08 | eythian | It actually not too bad. It doesn't have a ridiculous grammar like German. |
| 23:08 | dcook | (Not that I understand German, but find it not too bad to speak sometimes) |
| 23:11 | eythian | http://www.duolingo.com/eythian <-- I'm slowly working my way through German too |
| 23:12 | dcook | Nice one! I keep forgetting about duolingo... |
| 23:14 | * dcook | needs to find a cheap/free option for keeping up on his French |
| 23:14 | eythian | duolingo is free and quite good I find |
| 23:15 | dcook | Alas, the Koha French listserv isn't as rivetting as I would like :p |
| 23:15 | eythian | heh |
| 23:15 | dcook | Hmm, maybe I should give that a go if only for maintenance |
| 23:15 | Plus, it would be good to bone up on my Spanish again. | |
| 23:15 | * dcook | would love to learn all the languages |
| 23:16 | eythian | it tracks the areas you're not so good at, and what you haven't practiced recently and such too which is nice. |
| 23:16 | dcook | I used to work at a library that had a collection in more than 26 different languages. It was amazing... |
| 23:16 | eythian | nice |
| 23:16 | dcook | Ooo. That would be nice! |
| 23:16 | There are a few tenses and moods that just don't come up as often as I would like | |
| 23:16 | Moods? Modes? Moods... | |
| 23:16 | eythian | moods |
| 23:17 | dcook | Right |
| 23:17 | Ah | |
| 23:17 | Mood in english. Mode in French. | |
| 23:17 | Both! | |
| 23:17 | eythian | ah :) |
| 23:20 | dcook | Wow...Toronto to London, UK for 901... |
| 23:21 | I'm not sure how many Canadians are on here right now except blou, but that's a pretty decent deal, me thinks | |
| 23:28 | * dcook | did not take enough advantage of living in North America at the time. |
| 23:28 | dcook | Of course, I was a poor student, but c'est la vie... |
| 23:28 | One of these days, I'll visit NZ. | |
| 23:29 | eythian | it's <901 if you time it right |
| 23:30 | don't come today, we've got a bit of a cyclone. | |
| 23:30 | dcook | Earthquake yesterday, cyclone today... |
| 23:31 | wizzyrea | every day something different ;) |
| 23:31 | dcook | lol |
| 23:31 | I guess you're never bored? | |
| 23:33 | lol | |
| 23:34 | This placement test is hilarious | |
| 23:34 | Des poissons mangent du riz. | |
| 23:35 | Le | |
| 23:35 | You can’t peek in a test! | |
| 23:35 | chat a une botte rouge. | |
| 23:36 | Oh man, I've already made two obvious mistakes...Duolingo is rather nice! | |
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| 23:43 | eythian | hi there papa |
| 23:43 | yeah, it's gamification is quite nice | |
| 23:45 | It's the die, der, das that usually catches me out. I just end up stuck at a stage for ages until it starts to absorb. | |
| 23:45 | dcook | I keep getting tripped up by not reading the full sentence :/ |
| 23:45 | eythian | ah |
| 23:45 | dcook | Or some of the audio as I have horrible hearing to begin with |
| 23:45 | eythian | don't do that then :) |
| 23:45 | dcook | Ah, I guess I could skip it, eh? |
| 23:46 | But good practice, I suppose | |
| 23:46 | eythian | The audio is pretty good I find, as you can play it back slow, or put headphones on, or whatever. |
| 23:46 | dcook | Not doing it won't make it go away |
| 23:46 | eythian | :) |
| 23:46 | dcook | Yeah, I like that you can play it slow |
| 23:47 | Second guessed myself between "vendent-elles" and "vend-t-elle" | |
| 23:47 | It sounds the same! | |
| 23:47 | eythian | heh |
| 23:48 | * eythian | considers braving the elements to fetch some lunch |
| 23:48 | dcook | I need to learn some Dutch so I can wish you luck |
| 23:48 | eythian | that's easy: succes |
| 23:49 | dcook | Well, I wish you succes finding lunch out in the wild outdoors |
| 23:49 | I love some of these | |
| 23:50 | Mark all the correct translations of "Your boy is ugly" | |
| 23:50 | eythian | haha |
| 23:50 | dcook | Oh no, I'm out of hearts.. |
| 23:50 | eythian | sad owl |
| 23:50 | * wizzyrea | ponders the lunch question as well |
| 23:51 | * dcook | has been chowing down on cashews all morning |
| 23:51 | * eythian | just did the usual monday thing and pre-ordered subway |
| 23:51 | eythian | also it's close and mostly covered |
| 23:53 | dcook | I've been craving subway for weeks... |
| 23:53 | Toning down the eating out this year in advance of going to Europe later in the year.. | |
| 23:55 | The accent is a bit odd...I keep hearing different letters.. | |
| 23:57 | wizzyrea | oh nuts, I have nuts. for nibbling. |
| 23:57 | there is no world in which that sentence does not come off as naughty. | |
| 23:58 | not really intended though. | |
| 23:59 | dcook | Context is everything? |
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