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| Time | Nick | Message |
|---|---|---|
| 00:09 | trea | ^^ |
| 00:12 | mtj | wiz, i way always intrigued that one got milkshakes from a 'drug store', in the states |
| 00:12 | wizzyrea | well not where I'm from so much. |
| 00:12 | :P | |
| 00:12 | * dcook | is still so confused |
| 00:12 | dcook | (and increasingly hungry) |
| 00:14 | wizzyrea | you get milkshakes from wendy's |
| 00:14 | (or mcdonalds. or arbys. ) | |
| 00:21 | rambutan | http://arbys.com/our-menu/snac[…]ave/jamocha-shake |
| 00:22 | I have a sudden desire for ramyon. | |
| 00:23 | cait | 912 bugs. gr. |
| 00:46 | NateC joined #koha | |
| 00:53 | cait | 910... i doubt i can find 10 more bugs toclose |
| 01:02 | * dcook | has faith in cat |
| 01:07 | also has faith in cait | |
| 01:07 | cait | hehe |
| 01:07 | i think i have to give up for tonight :) | |
| 01:24 | wizzyrea | cait++ for bug pruning |
| 01:24 | dcook | cait++ |
| 01:25 | cait | i think probably more are resolved... but require some tme consuming tests tomake sure |
| 01:25 | btw... i am sure some bad bugs are waitin gfor sign offs :P | |
| 01:35 | dcook | Bad bugs? |
| 01:36 | wizzyrea | bothersome, irritating bugs that cause people problems. |
| 01:36 | rangi | your bugs are bad, and you should feel bad |
| 01:38 | wizzyrea | bad bugs? |
| 01:38 | wahanui | wahanui's bugs are bad, and you should feel bad |
| 01:38 | Lan joined #koha | |
| 01:38 | dcook | rangi: hehe |
| 01:38 | Lan left #koha | |
| 01:39 | dcook | your standards? |
| 01:39 | your standard? | |
| 01:39 | Damn | |
| 01:39 | wizzyrea | standards? |
| 01:39 | wahanui | the great thing about standards is that there are so many to choose from! |
| 01:39 | Lan joined #koha | |
| 01:39 | wizzyrea | ncip? |
| 01:39 | wahanui | well, ncip is NISO, SIP is 3M |
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| 01:39 | Lan | Hello everyone |
| 01:40 | wizzyrea | ncip is also <reply> http://kohadevreactions.tumblr[…]g-on-ncip-kohails |
| 01:40 | wahanui | okay, wizzyrea. |
| 01:40 | Lan | It was such a pain to connect irc under blocked firewall T_T |
| 01:42 | cait | hi Lan |
| 01:43 | dcook | hey Lan |
| 01:43 | Lan | My IT department block everyport except 80 and 443 |
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| 01:44 | Lan | Hmm.. I think CMS guide need to be updated again |
| 01:45 | http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Koha_as_a_CMS | |
| 01:45 | rangi | with a big heading, this is a bad idea, dont do it, but if you must here's how |
| 01:46 | wizzyrea | lol. |
| 01:47 | jcamins | Reeeeeeaaaallllyyyyy big. |
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| 01:49 | Lan | big? |
| 01:52 | wizzyrea | the cms guide needs to be updated with a really big heading that says "this is a bad idea, don't do it, but if you must here's how" |
| 01:52 | Lan | Why it is bad idea? |
| 01:54 | cait | it requires you to change files |
| 01:54 | and it's very likely to break on updates | |
| 01:54 | because it's not really a supported feature | |
| 01:55 | Lan | Well for update I just need to use latest file and reimplement this right? |
| 01:55 | cait | it might be things change in a way that will also requre changes to this code |
| 01:56 | Lan | thats sound bad... |
| 01:57 | rangi | for one prog/en/modules/opac-main.tt is going away in a future release |
| 01:57 | Lan | yah now bootstrap I already realize that |
| 01:59 | template_name => "opac-main.tt",? now is pages.tmpl | |
| 01:59 | jcamins | No, tt is correct. |
| 02:01 | Lan | Would it be better to use seperate cms page rather than integrate into koha? |
| 02:01 | jcamins | Yes, in my opinion. |
| 02:02 | Lan | well for library it means your cms page would be a pain to be update |
| 02:02 | jcamins | Or spend the resources to build a basic CMS into Koha. |
| 02:02 | Not really... just log in to your Wordpress site. | |
| 02:02 | (or whatever) | |
| 02:03 | (some folks swear by Drupal) | |
| 02:03 | (personally, I use jekyll) | |
| 02:03 | Lan | should I use phpbb istead? xD |
| 02:03 | jcamins | Isn't phpbb the software that is most likely to be compromised? |
| 02:04 | Lan | huh? I tot was secure |
| 02:05 | jcamins | I"m not sure. I don't know anything about it, the name just rang a bell that said "really dramatic vulnerabilities." |
| 02:05 | rangi | it sure used to be full of holes |
| 02:05 | Lan | Yeah it was long time ago |
| 02:05 | cait | also phpbb is a forum i think? |
| 02:05 | not a sms | |
| 02:05 | cms | |
| 02:06 | rangi | http://www.cvedetails.com/vuln[…]d-1529/Phpbb.html |
| 02:07 | Lan | http://library.pmc.edu.my/ |
| 02:07 | so my left menu will rendered useless | |
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| 02:07 | Lan | dont know to put what |
| 02:08 | jcamins | Wow, looks nice! |
| 02:08 | You just make them links to your website. | |
| 02:08 | bag | agreed that does look nice |
| 02:09 | heya jcamins cait and rangi | |
| 02:09 | cait | hi bag |
| 02:10 | wizzyrea | that may *be* their website. |
| 02:10 | I think is why they want to use koha as a cms | |
| 02:11 | jcamins | wizzyrea: right, but we just said "don't do that." |
| 02:11 | I recommended using a system that is better-supported for that use case, like Wordpress. | |
| 02:11 | wizzyrea | yea, I'm just saying "perhaps they don't have a website" |
| 02:11 | jcamins | Then the Wordpress site becomes their "website." |
| 02:11 | * dcook | wonders how easy it would be to replicate the Koha "look and feel" |
| 02:12 | wizzyrea | easy, with appropriate styling. probably easier with a bootstrap theme, since the divs are portably named. |
| 02:12 | bag | heya wizzyrea and dcook |
| 02:12 | dcook | hey ya bag |
| 02:12 | wizzyrea | hi bag |
| 02:12 | how's the little person? | |
| 02:12 | * dcook | suddenly gets outkast on the brain |
| 02:13 | wizzyrea | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=brpub0hTbjs |
| 02:13 | dcook | Lan: There are certainly options. Some of our Koha libraries use it as a CMS and it works all right. |
| 02:13 | You just need to weigh the pros and cons | |
| 02:13 | Lan | For me who dont have direct access to our college server it would be pain |
| 02:14 | jcamins | Lan: how will you use Koha as a CMS, then? |
| 02:14 | Lan | asking my it department to upload those 2 files was already pain. I don't think he will agree on wordpress |
| 02:14 | jcamins | You have to create a new file. |
| 02:14 | Ah. | |
| 02:15 | wizzyrea | well you are welcome to update the wiki with whatever new info you have |
| 02:15 | jcamins | In that case, using Koha as a CMS may be your best bet. Just so long as you're aware that it might be hard to get support on problems you run into with that feature. |
| 02:19 | Lan | why my main.pl said opac-main.tmpl |
| 02:19 | not opac-main.tt | |
| 02:19 | jcamins | It's legacy code. You should use tt going forward. |
| 02:23 | (tmpl is automatically translated to tt at the moment, but that will change eventually) | |
| 02:24 | wizzyrea | oo should we get rid of that when we lose the prog theme? |
| 02:24 | * wizzyrea | thinks to file a bug for that. |
| 02:24 | jcamins | That'd be a good idea, probably. |
| 02:26 | Lan | Thinking hard how to make jwuery pull like facebook |
| 02:26 | http://demos.2lessons.info/fac[…]cal_menu.php#wall.htm | |
| 02:27 | wizzyrea | bootstrap might have a thing like that. |
| 02:27 | it does heaps of stuff. | |
| 02:27 | Lan | It would be nice to have only opacmainuserblock reload |
| 02:29 | jcamins | Lan: how much content are you looking at having? |
| 02:30 | Lan | Well it will be grow up when I have time update them |
| 02:30 | Since I just a librarian | |
| 02:30 | wizzyrea | "just a librarian" |
| 02:30 | ;) | |
| 02:31 | "the mighty librarian" I think you mean. | |
| 02:31 | joels68 | Howdy sailors. |
| 02:31 | Lan | Plan to have something worth as memories during my time working as librarian |
| 02:34 | Who create koha bootstrap theme? | |
| 02:34 | jcamins | oleonard. |
| 02:34 | wahanui | oleonard is probably still here, if you just wish hard enough. or Koha's master UI designer |
| 02:34 | joels68 | Have any of you seen this site? It's frickin' beautiful. http://www.cclibraries.com/ |
| 02:34 | Lan | THanks to him koha is now responsive |
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| 02:35 | Lan | That website not responsive theme |
| 02:35 | jcamins | Lan: CCSR is responsive. |
| 02:35 | joels68 | It was created using Artisteer. Anyone tried this software? |
| 02:35 | jcamins | Though I suspect their front page might not be. |
| 02:36 | Lan | Responsive is one of the reason I want use koha as CMS |
| 02:37 | Becauase our main website not | |
| 02:37 | Almost all our medical student use mobile | |
| 02:38 | wizzyrea | have you seen the koha-community website? it's responsive. |
| 02:38 | (and that is wordpress) | |
| 02:38 | Lan | http://www.pmc.edu.my/facilities/pmc-library/ |
| 02:38 | wizzyrea | but I feel ya that it might be hard to get your IT guy to go for wordpress |
| 02:39 | Lan | We onle be give that for website |
| 02:39 | and I dont have any access to update them | |
| 02:39 | it was oursources | |
| 02:39 | outsource | |
| 02:40 | wizzyrea | heh, that's wordpress. |
| 02:40 | Lan | and not responsive |
| 02:40 | wizzyrea | yea that bit depends on your theme. |
| 02:40 | jcamins | Yikes, that's a wide page. |
| 02:41 | Lan | And we still using WINOPAC |
| 02:41 | winsis | |
| 02:41 | migration is a nightmare | |
| 02:41 | jcamins | I haven't used isis in years. |
| 02:41 | Actually, I had thought that they stopped updating it. | |
| 02:42 | Lan | yeah they stop |
| 02:42 | THis library is using isis since 1995 | |
| 02:43 | joels68 | Hey bag, how's it going in sunny CA? |
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| 02:45 | joels68 | NateC in the house? |
| 02:47 | * wizzyrea | hopes natec is in bed. |
| 02:49 | joels68 | Does he have a bot log on periodically? |
| 02:51 | I didn't know gold key star trek comics from the 70s were available on overdrive. Wild. | |
| 02:56 | wizzyrea | that sometimes happens when computers wake up in the night, i.e. the cat jumped on the keyboard. |
| 02:56 | trea | yea probably so |
| 02:56 | i doubt he's actaully here | |
| 02:56 | jcamins | wizzyrea: at 9:47? |
| 02:57 | *57 | |
| 02:57 | wizzyrea | some people go to bed early! |
| 02:57 | joels68 | Or you hope he goes to bed early |
| 02:57 | * cait1 | is not really here either |
| 02:57 | cait1 | just the cat on the keyboar |
| 02:58 | d | |
| 02:58 | wizzyrea | hehe |
| 02:58 | joels68 | cait: it is pretty late for you though ;-) |
| 03:00 | wizzyrea | cait1: you were up super late, and now you're up again?! that or you have an extremely dexterous cat |
| 03:01 | joels68 | A very smart cat too. |
| 03:02 | cait1 | very smart cat. |
| 03:06 | smart and sleepy cat | |
| 03:08 | joels68 | Anyone have any opinins on Alexandria K-12 migrations to Koha? |
| 03:08 | I have one coming up in the new year. | |
| 03:09 | Lan | Nobody have dog on keypoard? |
| 03:13 | lbs850fecteau.wikispaces.com/file/view/MPattersonOPACproposal.pdf? | |
| 03:14 | While Koha is a more cost effective option, it is a very basic library management system. Children from pre -K to grade 12 use our libraries . It is important for young children with ?emerging literacy abili ties? to have iconic displays in their OPACs (Kaplan & Riedling, 179). The OPAC options with Alexandria are more appropriate for young children. The Koha system is also not SIF -compliant, which makes importing patron data a time consuming task f | |
| 03:14 | that what the proposal said | |
| 03:15 | jcamins | Yikes. |
| 03:15 | * jcamins | hates reading things like that. |
| 03:15 | jcamins | Lan: that's not about Koha. |
| 03:16 | Lan | same |
| 03:16 | cait1 | people doing bad research :( |
| 03:16 | *meow* | |
| 03:17 | joels68 | cait1: :) |
| 03:17 | jcamins | Now, Koha might not be SIF-compliant, but that comparison was between two closed source products. |
| 03:18 | joels68 | Bad research. Liblime Koha. |
| 03:18 | Lan | they came first on google search |
| 03:19 | jcamins | Yeah. :( |
| 03:19 | cait1 | only looking at the first result doesn't make it any better |
| 03:19 | especially librarians should know how to do proper reasearch | |
| 03:19 | joels68 | Apparently the person researching Koha somehow missed the community version. |
| 03:19 | Lan | New people always think koha.org = main website. koha-community is maybe their community forum. |
| 03:20 | cait1 | Lan: there is nothing we can change about that |
| 03:21 | there is enough information on the web that should make you suspicious | |
| 03:22 | ok, time to sleep | |
| 03:22 | bye all | |
| 03:22 | cait1 left #koha | |
| 03:22 | joels68 | koha-community.org is #2 result of google koha search |
| 03:22 | Bye cait | |
| 03:24 | Lan | #2 with "community" word make they think it was a community support forum. |
| 03:25 | Even my IT guys do the mistake | |
| 03:26 | jcamins | Lan: sure, but your IT guy isn't expected to teach people how to do research, is he? |
| 03:27 | Lan | Well for "koha wiki" thou community version come #1 |
| 03:27 | that when they will realize they have made mistake | |
| 03:27 | jcamins | This is my pet peeve about the whole thing. Librarians should not be entirely unaware that there is an open source version. |
| 03:31 | mtj | its truly tragic |
| 03:34 | brendan_ | :) |
| 03:34 | joels68 | There certainly is no shortage of people who don't know what they're doing that others rely on for accurate info. |
| 03:36 | dcook | true true |
| 03:36 | joels68 | brendan and not bag? |
| 03:36 | brendan_ | I'm both tonight :) |
| 03:37 | actually ginny was helping me type some emails last night and she managed to delete my bip connection from my laptop :) | |
| 03:37 | I just haven't recreated it on my laptop yet | |
| 03:37 | but hey bag++ (great name) | |
| 03:38 | heh | |
| 03:38 | jcamins | joels68: that's for sure. |
| 03:39 | joels68 | jcamins: whatched day of the doctor yet? |
| 03:39 | jcamins | joels68: yes, thank you. |
| 03:39 | dcook | ginny: the destroyer |
| 03:39 | * jcamins | was disappointed too. |
| 03:41 | joels68 | lot of hype over not that great of a show |
| 03:41 | brendan_ | alright I need some dinner |
| 03:41 | what to make? | |
| 03:41 | I've got some good kale and some spinach | |
| 03:41 | thinking maybe a quick salad and some kale chips | |
| 03:42 | joels68 | Grillin' weather there isn't it? |
| 03:42 | brendan_ | @wunder 93102 |
| 03:42 | huginn | brendan_: The current temperature in Westside, Santa Barbara, California is 5.2°C (7:41 PM PST on December 05, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 46%. Dew Point: -5.0°C. Windchill: 5.0°C. Pressure: 30.04 in 1017 hPa (Rising). Frost advisory in effect from midnight tonight to 9 am PST Friday... |
| 03:42 | brendan_ | nope pretty cold |
| 03:42 | joels68 | @wunder 56187 |
| 03:42 | huginn | joels68: The current temperature in Worthington, Minnesota is -19.0°C (9:35 PM CST on December 05, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 66%. Dew Point: -24.0°C. Windchill: -29.0°C. Pressure: 30.30 in 1026 hPa. Wind Chill Advisory in effect until 9 am CST Saturday... |
| 03:42 | brendan_ | minus 19 !!!!! |
| 03:42 | joels68 | Try that on for size. |
| 03:42 | brendan_ | I'd freeze solid |
| 03:43 | joels68 | Low tonite -11 F. |
| 03:43 | brendan_ | @wunder astoria ny |
| 03:43 | huginn | brendan_: The current temperature in Long Island City, Queens, New York is 12.4°C (10:40 PM EST on December 05, 2013). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 95%. Dew Point: 12.0°C. Pressure: 29.99 in 1016 hPa (Rising). |
| 03:43 | brendan_ | that's gilling weather there |
| 03:43 | * joels68 | has considered lighting house on fire to keep warm |
| 03:44 | joels68 | ;-) |
| 03:45 | brendan_ | nice I forgot I was installing something last night and my terminal stayed open until tonight - so I can pick up right where I was |
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| 03:46 | dcook | @wunder regina, saskatchewan |
| 03:46 | huginn | dcook: Error: No such location could be found. |
| 03:47 | dcook | @wunder yqr |
| 03:47 | huginn | dcook: The current temperature in Regina, Saskatchewan is -29.0°C (9:00 PM CST on December 05, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 76%. Dew Point: -32.0°C. Windchill: -42.0°C. Pressure: 30.54 in 1034 hPa (Rising). |
| 03:47 | dcook | Home sweet home ;) |
| 03:47 | @wunder sydney, australia | |
| 03:47 | huginn | dcook: The current temperature in Sydney, New South Wales is 20.0°C (2:30 PM EST on December 06, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 37%. Dew Point: 5.0°C. Pressure: 29.92 in 1013 hPa (Steady). |
| 03:47 | dcook | hehe |
| 03:47 | joels68 | Yep, that's cold. |
| 03:47 | dcook | -42 with the windchill. Dang. Really cold for this time of year. |
| 03:51 | brendan_ | @wunder north pole, ak |
| 03:51 | huginn | brendan_: The current temperature in Repp and Pool St, North Pole, Alaska is -10.8°C (6:44 PM AKST on December 05, 2013). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 77%. Dew Point: -14.0°C. Windchill: -11.0°C. Pressure: 30.46 in 1031 hPa (Falling). Freezing Rain Advisory in effect from 3 am Friday to 3 am akst Saturday... |
| 03:52 | dcook | @wunder Magadan, russia |
| 03:52 | huginn | dcook: The current temperature in Magadan, Russia is -9.0°C (3:30 PM MAGT on December 06, 2013). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 49%. Dew Point: -18.0°C. Windchill: -15.0°C. Pressure: 29.53 in 1000 hPa (Steady). |
| 03:54 | Lan | Someday I will go to snow country |
| 03:54 | play with snow | |
| 03:54 | jcamins | Snow is overrated. |
| 03:55 | joels68 | totally overrated. |
| 03:55 | Lan | Nope if you cannot see them on your country |
| 03:56 | dcook | My Australian wife was rather thrilled to see snow when we were visiting Vancouver |
| 03:56 | It was only the second time she'd ever seen it in her life | |
| 03:56 | * dcook | wasn't so fussed |
| 03:57 | dcook | More fun to visit than to deal with ;) |
| 03:57 | jcamins | I was in Morocco with someone who had never seen the ocean. |
| 03:57 | dcook | O_o |
| 03:57 | But.. | |
| 03:57 | o_O | |
| 03:57 | Were they Moroccan? | |
| 03:57 | jcamins | No. |
| 03:57 | He was from Fargo, North Dakota. | |
| 03:57 | dcook | Was he blindfolded on the plane? |
| 03:58 | I suppose if he was in a center section of the plane.. | |
| 03:58 | jcamins | We took off from EWR or JFK (can't remember) at 9:30pm. |
| 03:58 | JFK | |
| 03:58 | joels68 | I've seen plenty of snow, no ocean. |
| 03:59 | dcook | O_O |
| 03:59 | * dcook | thinks joels68 should take a trip to Santa Barbara |
| 03:59 | dcook | I think lava is one of the few things I haven't seen |
| 03:59 | I suppose I haven't seen a desert... | |
| 03:59 | * dcook | needs to go to the outback sometime |
| 03:59 | dcook | Hmm, maybe for Christmas.. |
| 04:00 | joels68 | I was supposed to visit a friend in silicon valley after Kohacon but he bailed at the last minute. |
| 04:00 | Reno is desert, mostly. | |
| 04:01 | Been to vegas desert several times. | |
| 04:01 | sand is overrated too. | |
| 04:02 | dcook | Beaches can be pretty nice |
| 04:03 | jcamins | Meh. |
| 04:03 | I'm not a huge fan of beaches. | |
| 04:04 | Lan | Tropical rainforest climate for whole life is boring |
| 04:04 | But beaches is nice. | |
| 04:05 | dcook | My conclusion is that travel is nice :) |
| 04:05 | As is food. | |
| 04:05 | * dcook | isn't sure why he waited so long for lunch.. |
| 04:07 | joels68 | Good night people. |
| 04:08 | dcook | night joel |
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| 04:16 | mtompset | If a marc tag/subtag is marked as not visible in OPAC (recall those ugly hidden=numbers?), it hides nicely in MARCdetail, but detail may display. For example, try hiding 100$a (giving a intentionally visible scenario). Is this something we should care about? |
| 04:23 | dcook | I've asked the same question before, and the answer is typically no |
| 04:24 | Personally, I think the wording for the visibility should be revised so that it says explicitly that the framework hidden value refers to MARCdetail and not normal view | |
| 04:24 | But that's about it | |
| 04:24 | Otherwise, imagine trying to control the visibility of fields in the normal view for both the regular templates and the XSLTs | |
| 04:24 | * dcook | might have thought about this a little bit in the past ;) |
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| 05:34 | mtompset | dcook: Thanks for your thoughts. I wasn't even thinking of the templating issues, but rather "and what if someone changes the template to include another field that should be hidden?" the end goal is never reached for certain with features being added, tweaked, etc. |
| 05:35 | I feel the same kind of elusiveness as I watch facets get added into the OPAC search results. | |
| 05:37 | I look forward to code someone may write for bug 10891 and bug 11232. | |
| 05:37 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10891 enhancement, P3, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Make facets customisable |
| 05:37 | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=11232 new feature, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Retrieve facets from Zebra | |
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| 06:01 | mtompset | Have a great day (24 hour period), #koha. I suppose weekend for some folks. :) |
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| 06:08 | dcook | hey ashimema |
| 06:08 | How's it going? | |
| 06:11 | ashimema | hi dcook.. |
| 06:11 | not bad, not bad.. not enjoying eing up at 6am though. | |
| 06:11 | How's you? | |
| 06:21 | dcook | Ouch. I was wondering what the time might be like there... |
| 06:21 | 5:21pm here. I should probably leave work. | |
| 06:22 | ashimema | haha.. if your like me you nearly always leave work late. |
| 06:23 | dcook | I certainly never leave early :p |
| 06:30 | ashimema | Well, |
| 06:30 | dcook | Now I'm looking at Digital Ocean vs Linode, because...well...I don't know why |
| 06:30 | It's beer o'clock | |
| 06:30 | ashimema | I better go start driving, got a meeting a few hours away this morning. |
| 06:30 | enjoy your evening mate.. | |
| 06:30 | dcook | Ouch |
| 06:30 | Have a good drive! | |
| 06:38 | Night #koha | |
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| 06:48 | Jurgens | Hi. |
| 06:51 | I'm looking to mark a list of books (I've got a list of barcodes) for deletion at our next stock take. I normally just check the items in and then make a date last seen report to identify any missing items, however what I want to know is if there is a way to flag up a batch of barcodes so that it lets me know this item is meant to be deleted during check in? | |
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| 07:31 | * magnuse | waves |
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| 07:40 | magnuse | kia ora JDatTeTakere |
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| 07:43 | reiveune | hello |
| 07:43 | wahanui | que tal, reiveune |
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| 07:53 | alex_a | bonjour |
| 07:53 | wahanui | privet, alex_a |
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| 08:19 | * cait | waves |
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| 09:01 | Lan | Hi im back |
| 09:08 | * magnuse | waves to cait |
| 09:11 | cait | hi magnuse |
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| 10:25 | magnuse | |
| 10:25 | Ahoy #koha | |
| 10:28 | magnuse | Oak! |
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| 11:43 | magnuse | @later tell rangi: any plans for a statistical rundown of 3.14? |
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| 12:38 | tcohen | morning! |
| 12:38 | wahanui | morning is a state of cat |
| 12:39 | tcohen | florencio agrees |
| 12:57 | khall | @later tell cait I passed qa on bug 11262, but I think it still wouldn't hurt to have a set of german eyes take a look at it ; ) |
| 12:57 | huginn | khall: The operation succeeded. |
| 12:57 | tcohen | hi khall |
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| 12:57 | tcohen | thanks for taking the time to test |
| 12:58 | khall | mornin tcohen! |
| 12:58 | np! | |
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| 13:11 | tcohen | @later tell rangi thanks for the advise, i noticed and am currently about to push them |
| 13:11 | huginn | tcohen: The operation succeeded. |
| 13:25 | tcohen | magnuse: could you verify my followup for 11167 is ok? |
| 13:28 | jcamins | @later tell dcook Nice! |
| 13:28 | huginn | jcamins: The operation succeeded. |
| 13:30 | ebegin | good morning Koha ! |
| 13:30 | @wunder montreal canada | |
| 13:30 | huginn | ebegin: The current temperature in Montreal, Quebec is 2.0°C (8:00 AM EST on December 06, 2013). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 87%. Dew Point: 0.0°C. Windchill: -4.0°C. Pressure: 30.00 in 1016 hPa (Rising). |
| 13:31 | ebegin | As strange as it can sounds, the weather feels warm today |
| 13:53 | tcohen | #wunder cordoba, argentina |
| 13:53 | @wunder cordoba, argentina | |
| 13:53 | huginn | tcohen: The current temperature in Cordoba, Argentina is 22.0°C (10:00 AM ART on December 06, 2013). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 53%. Dew Point: 12.0°C. Pressure: 29.98 in 1015 hPa (Steady). |
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| 14:35 | peggy | I have a (hopefully simple) hold question. I'm in a sandbox (i.e. brand new installation). I now have an All-All-All circ rule. But if I try to put a hold on an item it says "Cannot place hold - No copies are available to be placed on hold" |
| 14:35 | When I look at the items, there are two items available. | |
| 14:37 | nengard | try checked the on shelf holds preference |
| 14:37 | make sure it's set to allow | |
| 14:37 | AllowOnShelfHolds | |
| 14:37 | wahanui | it has been said that AllowOnShelfHolds is off |
| 14:38 | peggy | Much better. I figured it was something simple. Thanks! |
| 14:39 | nengard | :) |
| 14:52 | tcohen | has anyone had out-of-memory situations in production related to RSS? |
| 14:53 | cait | hm not so far no |
| 15:01 | francharb | salut jajm! quick question in franglais |
| 15:01 | ;) | |
| 15:01 | in subscription-add.pl | |
| 15:03 | when you add a new subscription, there is an option "locale" after the numbering patterns dropdowm menu | |
| 15:03 | do you know what is it for? | |
| 15:04 | maybe Joubu knows it as well? | |
| 15:04 | Joubu, c'est le temps de t'exercer en anglais | |
| 15:04 | ;) | |
| 15:04 | or maybe somebody else around here$ | |
| 15:04 | ? | |
| 15:05 | Joubu | francharb: there are some reports for these value |
| 15:06 | I am searching for | |
| 15:06 | francharb | reports? |
| 15:06 | wahanui | reports is, like, http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]L_Reports_Library |
| 15:06 | Joubu | bugs |
| 15:06 | * cait | waves |
| 15:07 | cait | Joubu: can't help - internet connection too bad for searching bugzilla :( |
| 15:07 | francharb | ok Joubu ! thank you! I'm going to ckeck this in bugzilla |
| 15:07 | Joubu | francharb: see bug 11263 and linked reports |
| 15:07 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=11263 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Signed Off , New 'locale' setting in subscriptions is not user friendly |
| 15:07 | francharb | Joubu++ |
| 15:07 | * francharb | waves cait |
| 15:09 | francharb | ahhhhhhhhhhh |
| 15:09 | ok | |
| 15:09 | thanks Joubu | |
| 15:09 | have a pint for me | |
| 15:09 | ;) | |
| 15:09 | Joubu | :) |
| 15:14 | huginn | New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 11333: use jQuery validator plugin for CSV profiles forms <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]bb43f6f1e659c6f72> |
| 15:16 | * cait | is on a train... again :) |
| 15:16 | cait | hi cranban/barton |
| 15:18 | barton | hi cait... playing tricks with cow-orkers at bywater. "craban" is our snmp monitor -- sends IRC messages about disk space warnings and such. |
| 15:19 | fun to spoof. | |
| 15:19 | jenkins_koha | Starting build #256 for job master_maria (previous build: SUCCESS) |
| 15:19 | cait | :) |
| 15:22 | nengard | naughty barton |
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| 15:24 | cait | this internet connection is so super slow... |
| 15:24 | the only thing working is irc | |
| 15:24 | huginn | New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 11225: remove \n from some strings to be translated <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]7c9a77e4ac477ac7b> |
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| 15:34 | Nicole C. Engard: update popularity | |
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| 15:36 | Nicole C. Engard: update popularity | |
| 15:37 | barton | nengard: best kind :-) |
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| 15:56 | huginn | New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 10970: DBRev 3.15.00.004 <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]d2bf404fedb7c6caa> / Bug 10970: (follow-up) update framework only for MARC21 installations <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]a3bf616ae25b88e21> / Bug 10970 - Update MARC21 frameworks to Update Nr. 17 - DB update <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koh |
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| 16:09 | * Galen Charlton: Bug 11333: use jQuery validator plugin for CSV profiles forms | |
| 16:09 | * Jonathan Druart: Bug 11225: remove \n from some strings to be translated | |
| 16:09 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=11333 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Pushed to Master , use jQuery validator plugin for CSV profile forms |
| 16:09 | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=11225 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , \n in translation strings should be removed | |
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| 16:19 | * Nicole C. Engard: update opacbaseurl | |
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| 16:21 | * Nicole C. Engard: update opacbaseurl | |
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| 16:21 | * Nicole C. Engard: update opacbaseurl | |
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| 17:00 | * Bernardo Gonzalez Kriegel: Bug 10970 - Update MARC21 frameworks to Update Nr. 17 - DB update | |
| 17:00 | * Galen Charlton: Bug 10970: (follow-up) update framework only for MARC21 installations | |
| 17:00 | * Galen Charlton: Bug 10970: DBRev 3.15.00.004 | |
| 17:00 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10970 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, bgkriegel, Pushed to Master , Update MARC21 frameworks to Update Nr. 17 - DB update |
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| 17:21 | * Galen Charlton: Bug 11333: use jQuery validator plugin for CSV profiles forms | |
| 17:21 | * Jonathan Druart: Bug 11225: remove \n from some strings to be translated | |
| 17:21 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=11333 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Pushed to Master , use jQuery validator plugin for CSV profile forms |
| 17:21 | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=11225 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , \n in translation strings should be removed | |
| 17:24 | jenkins_koha | Starting build #1542 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS) |
| 17:36 | peggy | is it possible to look at the modification history of a particular file? |
| 17:37 | bag | peggy: http://git.koha-community.org/[…]p=koha.git;a=tree |
| 17:37 | maybe something in there? | |
| 17:38 | you could also use git-blame - in your git server - that will show you who committed the lines you are interested in | |
| 17:39 | peggy | The first is perfect. Thanks |
| 17:40 | jcamins | peggy: if you want a list of all the changes that have been made to a file, not just the latest, you can use `git log file/name` |
| 17:42 | peggy | Thanks jcamins. |
| 17:47 | jcamins | Of course... I hunted down a towel so that the cat could sit on my lap without covering me with hair or scratching me with his/her dagger-like claws, and now the cat is gone. |
| 17:52 | peggy | at least your lap can be warm... |
| 17:53 | jcamins | Heh. |
| 17:53 | The cat just showed up. | |
| 17:53 | And after a token three seconds of horror about the fact that it had been picked up, it settled down happily. | |
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| 18:19 | tcohen | hmm |
| 18:20 | I don't understand why some tests fail with PERL5OPT=-MDevel::Cover | |
| 18:20 | and they run smoothly without it | |
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| 18:47 | rambutan | @wunder 64507 |
| 18:47 | huginn | rambutan: The current temperature in Wyatt Park, St Joseph, Missouri is -9.2°C (12:47 PM CST on December 06, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 50%. Dew Point: -18.0°C. Windchill: -9.0°C. Pressure: 30.59 in 1036 hPa (Steady). |
| 18:47 | gmcharlt | tcohen: which ones? |
| 18:47 | wahanui | which ones are those? |
| 18:47 | tcohen | notably t/db_dependent/Search.t |
| 18:50 | i forgot to cc you in an email to rangi, i've just fw it | |
| 18:51 | ebegin | I just ran in a bootstrap limitation. Since it's a grid based framework, the grid is currently divided as a 2-7-3, eg 2 cols for OpacNav, 7 for OpacMainUserBloc and 3 for the OpacNavRight |
| 18:51 | I would like to get a 3-6-3 template... | |
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| 18:53 | ebegin | I don't want to change this everytime. So I though that we could have a syspref specifying the column models , for exemple 2,7,3 (the default one) or 3,6,3 (the one I need) |
| 18:53 | and using those number in the template instead of hardcoding them. | |
| 18:53 | Any thoughs ? | |
| 18:55 | Another way would be to have 2 syspref : OpacNavLeftColumns and OpacNavRightColumns and give the OpacMainUserBlock the remaining | |
| 19:00 | mtompset | ebegin: Why not a OpacColumnWidth number too? |
| 19:01 | ebegin | mtompset++ that could be usefull instead of being stuck with 12 columns |
| 19:01 | mtompset | Exactly. |
| 19:02 | Plus, then you can generate finer granularity (3/12 = .25, but what about 9/32?) | |
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| 19:07 | tcohen | gmcharlt: did u get the email? |
| 19:14 | ebegin | mtompset, i though using integer. For your 9/32, you'll have to set the OpacGridWidth to 32 and your OpacGridLeftColumnWidth to 9 |
| 19:15 | gmcharlt | tcohen: yes |
| 19:15 | mtompset | Yes. It would still be integer, but you can accomplish 3% or so adjustment by just changing width and ratios. :) |
| 19:16 | jcamins | ebegin: I think maintaining the Bootstrap 12-column layout is a good idea. |
| 19:16 | People are used to that. | |
| 19:17 | ebegin | jcamins, that would be the default value |
| 19:17 | jcamins | It's easy enough to subdivide if you really need smaller columns. |
| 19:17 | And the benefit of not needing to recompile the CSS every request is pretty big. | |
| 19:18 | (or needing to give Apache write access to the filesystem, which is even worse) | |
| 19:21 | ebegin | jcamins, oh, I overlook the fact that the 12 columns was part of bootstrap's CSS |
| 19:21 | jcamins | Yeah, everything would have to be recompiled to change that. |
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| 19:22 | gmcharlt | and if one is going to those lengths -- one may as well just take control of it directly and not mess around with YASPs |
| 19:23 | as it is, we're now facing the prospect of figuring out when to consider upgrading to Bootstrap 3.0.x | |
| 19:25 | jenkins_koha | Project Koha_master build #1542: SUCCESS in 2 hr 3 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]Koha_master/1542/ |
| 19:25 | * Bernardo Gonzalez Kriegel: Bug 10970 - Update MARC21 frameworks to Update Nr. 17 - DB update | |
| 19:25 | * Galen Charlton: Bug 10970: (follow-up) update framework only for MARC21 installations | |
| 19:25 | * Galen Charlton: Bug 10970: DBRev 3.15.00.004 | |
| 19:25 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10970 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, bgkriegel, Pushed to Master , Update MARC21 frameworks to Update Nr. 17 - DB update |
| 19:30 | tcohen | ok, that's it for now |
| 19:30 | see u guys | |
| 19:30 | bye #koha | |
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| 19:58 | drojf | hi #koha |
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| 20:27 | rambutan | http://www.usatoday.com/story/[…]-patents/3894877/ |
| 20:28 | apologies for slightly off topic post, but potentially important | |
| 20:29 | jcamins | Wait... how is software patents being struck down a "worst case" scenario? |
| 20:41 | druthb | drojf! |
| 20:41 | drojf | druthb! |
| 20:42 | druthb | :) |
| 20:45 | rambutan | OverDrive, I presume? |
| 20:45 | drojf | @later tell cait cait! sorry, no playtime at the moment. :( |
| 20:45 | huginn | drojf: The operation succeeded. |
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| 20:53 | drojf | @later tell cait also, is there a reason not to squash the three patches? |
| 20:53 | huginn | drojf: The operation succeeded. |
| 20:55 | bag | heya druthb |
| 20:56 | druthb | hi, bag! |
| 20:58 | drojf | is there something magical about matching rules that i am missing? i tried one for Control-number (which is actually in the manual and on the list in several versions), but it is just not working. |
| 20:59 | (i was trying to add items to biblios i had already imported) | |
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| 21:30 | pablito | good evening everyone |
| 21:31 | I have a quick question about reindexing zebra | |
| 21:31 | my library has over 36000 books | |
| 21:32 | now, if I add 60 more books, do I need to do a full zebra reindexing with the -f switch? | |
| 21:32 | jcamins | No, you just need to be running the cron job. If you used packages, that will be set up. |
| 21:34 | pablito | hmm, I've installed koha via apt-get, but I don't believe a cron job was setup for my system |
| 21:34 | jcamins | It was. Look at /etc/cron.d/koha-common |
| 21:34 | :) | |
| 21:35 | The documentation is a little bit confusing on this point, and suggests that you should have a cron job in your user's crontab, but that's not the case. | |
| 21:35 | (when you're using packages) | |
| 21:36 | (if you're not using packages, you need to set everything up in your user's crontab, manually) | |
| 21:37 | pablito | you are right |
| 21:37 | :-) | |
| 21:37 | great! | |
| 21:38 | now, I have one more annoying problem with the call number | |
| 21:38 | jcamins | There will be a bit of a delay, though, after you add new records, since the cron job only runs every n minutes (where n = a number I don't remember). |
| 21:38 | pablito | I imported my MARC data with the 952$o tagging the call number |
| 21:39 | but it would not show up in my OPAC search result | |
| 21:39 | jcamins | drojf: I thought you would want to know that this book was published by a German named Hearttime. |
| 21:39 | I think. | |
| 21:40 | drojf: sorry, Lovetime. | |
| 21:40 | pablito: so the bib shows up without a call number? | |
| 21:40 | pablito | well, it would show up in the holding tab of OPAC nor in parentheses of the results |
| 21:40 | sorry | |
| 21:41 | it wouldn't | |
| 21:41 | it would NOT show up in the holding tab of OPAC nor in parentheses of the results | |
| 21:41 | jcamins | Does the item show up at all? |
| 21:41 | pablito | however, it DOES show up when I click on the MARC tab under "Full Call Number" |
| 21:42 | jcamins | pablito: is it possible that you actually have it in *8*52? |
| 21:43 | pablito | well, for the majority of my records, I have it in both 852 and 952 |
| 21:44 | jcamins | Okay. I think the 952 isn't getting handled at all. Does the import report having processed items? |
| 21:44 | pablito | on import, it said everything is processed |
| 21:44 | jcamins | Odd. |
| 21:44 | * jcamins | isn't sure what's going on. |
| 21:45 | pablito | i know it does because the other subfields of 952 show up fine |
| 21:45 | jcamins | Oh, okay. |
| 21:45 | pablito | like the barcode |
| 21:45 | jcamins | I see. |
| 21:45 | pablito | and holding location |
| 21:45 | jcamins | Do you have non-Latin characters in the 952$o? |
| 21:45 | pablito | no, it's just Roman Numerals and numbers |
| 21:45 | jcamins | Hm. |
| 21:47 | pablito | but under Marc view tab, the call number is listed under "Full Call Number" column |
| 21:48 | jcamins | Wow, that's really confusing. |
| 21:48 | pablito | it doesn't even show up in the Admin side either |
| 21:49 | jcamins | I'm not sure what it is, so I'd suggest checking the channel later, or next week, since it's 4:50 on a Friday here, and already the weekend in Europe and Oceania. |
| 21:51 | pablito | ok, thanks |
| 21:51 | appreciate your help | |
| 21:52 | jcamins | Is the call number missing on all records, or just some? |
| 21:53 | pablito | 99% of the records have call number |
| 21:54 | out of 36,000 records, maybe only 2 or 3 have no call number | |
| 21:55 | anyway, I will follow up with this issue later | |
| 21:56 | but can you check my crontab job to see if it's correct? Because a few days ago I had to do a manual zebra rebuild to be able to search for records | |
| 21:57 | */5 * * * * root test -x /usr/sbin/koha-rebuild-zebra && koha-rebuild-zebra -q $(koha-list --enabled) | |
| 21:57 | */15 * * * * root koha-foreach --enabled --email /usr/share/koha/bin/cronjobs/process_message_queue.pl | |
| 21:58 | jcamins | Yeah, that looks good. |
| 21:59 | If you did a really huge import, though, the cron job can get stuffed up because multiple jobs are trying to run at once. | |
| 22:00 | pablito | ah, that's probably why |
| 22:01 | 36,400 records | |
| 22:01 | jcamins | Yup, that'll do it. |
| 22:01 | Often I just turn off the cron job when doing imports that big, and reindex when they're done. | |
| 22:01 | And- it's the weekend! Woohoo! | |
| 22:01 | pablito | hehe |
| 22:02 | have a great weekend jcamins! | |
| 22:02 | jcamins | You too. |
| 22:02 | pablito | today is the feast of Santa Claus so ho ho ho |
| 22:02 | :-D | |
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| 23:00 | * wizzyrea | waves |
| 23:09 | * pianohacker | waves wizzyrea |
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| 23:27 | * cait-m__ | waves |
| 23:28 | pianohacker | nice username |
| 23:36 | talljoy | hey #koha |
| 23:37 | pianohacker | hey talljoy |
| 23:37 | wahanui | i think talljoy is one of the few women that can see eye to eye with druthb. Almost all the others need to stand on a box. |
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| 23:37 | pianohacker | pfft |
| 23:37 | talljoy | got a question about about the batch patron deletion/anonymization tool. when a patron is 'permanently deleted' is it still stored in deleted patrons? |
| 23:37 | deleted_borrowers, i mean. | |
| 23:39 | nevermind, read the code. these suckers are gone gone |
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