IRC log for #koha, 2013-10-09

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00:31 dcook Hmm, apparently I am registered as dac...interesting
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01:06 mtompset Greetings, #koha.
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03:16 JDatTeTakere Hello Koha Comm.  Not long until Reno :-)
03:18 dcook Nopes. Super close!
03:21 mtompset http://youtu.be/cGYNuoCigGY (I'm Super!)
03:21 Greetings, dcook JDatTeTakere. :)
03:21 Do you run your Koha installation as https, dcook?
03:25 dcook Some
03:26 mtompset What sort of steps do you take to prevent web attacks?
03:28 dcook I'm not the network admin. You'd have to ask my boss :p
03:29 mtompset Is your Koha behind a proxy, or straight on the internet?
03:34 jenkins_koha Starting build #1433 for job Koha_master (previous build: FAILURE -- last SUCCESS #1431 17 days ago)
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03:35 JDatTeTakere Hi mtompset
03:37 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 9611: (follow-up) move new password hashing routines to separate module <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]0b407560a1c4f8fb6>
03:37 mtompset I hope master builds. My documentation patch made it in, and I got the mail about the failure. I hate when the failure isn't my fault. Sadly, robots don't know better.
03:42 wizzyrea it notifies everyone with patches in the build ^.^
03:42 mtompset Exactly.
03:43 Well, NEW patches since the last SUCCESS.
03:43 wizzyrea on the other hand, you could do someone a favour and fix the test >.>
03:43 yaya, ain't nobody got time for that.
03:44 mtompset Well, wouldn't the person who has the broken test have more time?
03:45 wizzyrea Would they?
03:45 jenkins_koha Starting build #136 for job master_maria (previous build: STILL FAILING -- last SUCCESS #129 5 days 5 hr ago)
03:47 mtompset Not to mention, it looks like a missing configuration file.
03:48 I don't have access to generate the missing file.
04:02 Well, I just attempted to the same sequence which failed, and it worked this time.
04:02 So hopefully this build works.
04:06 wizzyrea oh so you're really just upset because it sends you mail
04:07 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 10641 - GetBooksellerWithLateOrders in C4::Bookseller.pm has some incoherences <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]413119d3f43de33cf> / Bug 10795: Improvements for GetOpenIssue in C4::Circulation <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]82e956e579be4bec4> / Bug 10683: (follow-up) improvements to the unit tests <http://git.
04:09 mtompset Yes, but like I said... can't blame a robot for not knowing.
04:10 It's one of those helpful annoyances.
04:11 Because inevitably, someday it could be my fault. :)
04:13 @later tell tcohen What do you think of bug 6435 vs. bug 8773?
04:13 huginn mtompset: The operation succeeded.
04:17 New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 10794: fix sorting on billing date column in invoices table <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]8543f9d6582ec4d02> / Bug 11012 - update package dependencies for koha-perldeps <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]68534a249a9f30900>
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04:22 mtompset greetings, Oak.
04:22 Oak hello mtompset :)
04:27 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 9747: sorting z3950 search results in acquisition <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]538cf030970d10250> / Bug 9747: Fix NSB/NSE sorting issues on z3950 search results <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]f3f29f83c939274fc>
04:36 jenkins_koha Yippie, build fixed!
04:36 Project master_maria build #136: FIXED in 50 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]master_maria/136/
04:36 Galen Charlton: Bug 9611: (follow-up) move new password hashing routines to separate module
04:36 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9611 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, srdjan, Pushed to Master , Changing the password hashing algorithm from MD5 to more secure Bcrypt
04:36 jenkins_koha Starting build #137 for job master_maria (previous build: FIXED)
04:39 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 10430: arrived and stopped status are not possible in serial claim <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]4ae67e23ccac98838> / Bug 10430 - status filter not working in serial claims when translated <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]60f9eae6e318b4126>
04:59 New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 10624: add 'status' option switch for the packages init script <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]eeb31acd634cdeb9f>
05:05 jenkins_koha Yippie, build fixed!
05:05 Project Koha_master build #1433: FIXED in 1 hr 31 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]Koha_master/1433/
05:05 Galen Charlton: Bug 9611: (follow-up) move new password hashing routines to separate module
05:05 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9611 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, srdjan, Pushed to Master , Changing the password hashing algorithm from MD5 to more secure Bcrypt
05:07 mtompset Have a great day, #koha. 5 hours till the meeting, right?
05:07 jenkins_koha Starting build #1434 for job Koha_master (previous build: FIXED)
05:09 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 10705: follow-up - change one more instance of "shippment cost" <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]d0ece4b778ef69273> / Bug 10705: change 'shipment cost' to 'shipping cost' <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]7be403275afce7f67>
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05:15 eythian hi cait
05:15 cait hi :)
05:25 jenkins_koha Project master_maria build #137: UNSTABLE in 49 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]master_maria/137/
05:25 * Kenza Zaki: Bug 10685: remove inappropriate uses of finish in C4::Accounts.pm
05:25 * Kenza Zaki: Bug 10682: remove inappropriate uses of finish() from C4::Reserves
05:25 * Kenza Zaki: Bug 10681: remove inappropriate uses of finish() from C4::Circulation
05:25 * Kenza Zaki: Bug 10711: make GetOfflineOperation() return $sth->fetchrow_hashref instead of $result
05:25 * Bernardo Gonzalez Kriegel: Bug 10711: (follow-up) removing tabs
05:25 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10685 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kenza.zaki, Pushed to Master , Inappropriate uses of finish() in C4::Accounts.pm
05:25 jenkins_koha * Kenza Zaki: Bug 10698: give C4::Circulation::DeleteTransfer() a return value
05:25 * Galen Charlton: Bug 10698: (follow-up) remove now-superfluous FIXME comment
05:25 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10682 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kenza.zaki, Pushed to Master , Inappropriate uses of finish() in C4::Reserve.pm
05:25 jenkins_koha * Kenza Zaki: Bug 10683: add unit tests for CRUD routines in C4::Circulation
05:25 * Jonathan Druart: Bug 10683: (follow-up) improvements to the unit tests
05:25 * Kenza Zaki: Bug 10795: Improvements for GetOpenIssue in C4::Circulation
05:25 * root: Bug 10641 - GetBooksellerWithLateOrders in C4::Bookseller.pm has some incoherences
05:25 * Robin Sheat: Bug 11012 - update package dependencies for koha-perldeps
05:25 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10681 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kenza.zaki, Pushed to Master , Inappropriate uses of finish() in C4::Circulation.pm
05:25 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10711 minor, P5 - low, ---, kenza.zaki, Pushed to Master , GetOfflineOperation in C4/Circulation.pm should returns $sth->fetchrow_hashref instead of $result
05:25 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 10794: fix sorting on billing date column in invoices table
05:25 * Jonathan Druart: Bug 9747: Fix NSB/NSE sorting issues on z3950 search results
05:25 * Fridolyn SOMERS: Bug 9747: sorting z3950 search results in acquisition
05:25 * Fridolyn SOMERS: Bug 10430 - status filter not working in serial claims when translated
05:25 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10698 normal, P5 - low, ---, kenza.zaki, Pushed to Master , DeleteTransfer in C4::Circulation.pm needs return value
05:25 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10683 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kenza.zaki, Pushed to Master , CRUD routines in C4::Circulation need unit tests
05:25 jenkins_koha * Fridolyn SOMERS: Bug 10430: arrived and stopped status are not possible in serial claim
05:25 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10795 normal, P5 - low, ---, kenza.zaki, Pushed to Master , Improvements for GetOpenIssue in C4::Circulation
05:25 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10641 major, P5 - low, ---, kenza.zaki, Pushed to Master , GetBooksellerWithLateOrders in C4::Bookseller.pm has some incoherences
05:25 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=11012 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, robin, Pushed to Master , Update dependencies to account for new crypt lib
05:25 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10794 minor, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Sorting on billing date column in invoices table doesn't work
05:25 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9747 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, fridolyn.somers, Pushed to Master , sort issue for the z3950 results
05:25 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10430 major, P5 - low, ---, fridolyn.somers, Pushed to Master , status filter not working in serial claims when translated
05:25 jenkins_koha Starting build #138 for job master_maria (previous build: UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #136 1 hr 40 min ago)
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05:31 huginn New commit(s) kohagit: bug 6201: (follow-up) update unit tests <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]b271f2aba4dcee4fb> / Bug 6201: Add fields 1xx to marc2bibtex (for MARC21 and NORMARC) <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]680a8ce2950a39fcc>
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06:17 jenkins_koha Yippie, build fixed!
06:17 Project master_maria build #138: FIXED in 52 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]master_maria/138/
06:17 * Tomas Cohen Arazi: Bug 10624: add 'status' option switch for the packages init script
06:17 * Ketan Kulkarni: Bug 10705: change 'shipment cost' to 'shipping cost'
06:17 * Katrin Fischer: Bug 10705: follow-up - change one more instance of "shippment cost"
06:17 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10624 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Pushed to Master , koha-common.init should implement the 'status' option switch
06:17 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10705 trivial, P5 - low, ---, ketan, Pushed to Master , Shipment cost should be 'shipping'
06:17 jenkins_koha Starting build #139 for job master_maria (previous build: FIXED)
06:19 * magnuse waves
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06:35 JDatTeTakere Hi Magnuse
06:35 magnuse kia ora JDatTeTakere
06:36 all stocked up on cat food?
06:37 but first there is an irc meeting
06:37 at not-convenient for nz o'clock, i think
06:37 at not-convenient-for-nz o'clock, i think
06:38 in 3 hours 22 minutes
06:38 * cait waves
06:40 JDatTeTakere How do you do the *** bit?
06:40 before you wave?
06:40 cjh /me like this
06:40 magnuse you do "/me something"
06:41 JDatTeTakere I think I went a bit overboard with my catfood shopping.  I bought enough for 23 cats.
06:41 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #1434: SUCCESS in 1 hr 33 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]Koha_master/1434/
06:41 * Kenza Zaki: Bug 10685: remove inappropriate uses of finish in C4::Accounts.pm
06:41 * Kenza Zaki: Bug 10682: remove inappropriate uses of finish() from C4::Reserves
06:41 * Kenza Zaki: Bug 10681: remove inappropriate uses of finish() from C4::Circulation
06:41 cjh I'm sure your cat wouldn't mind eating double for a while, to help you out.
06:41 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10685 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kenza.zaki, Pushed to Master , Inappropriate uses of finish() in C4::Accounts.pm
06:41 jenkins_koha * Kenza Zaki: Bug 10711: make GetOfflineOperation() return $sth->fetchrow_hashref instead of $result
06:41 * Bernardo Gonzalez Kriegel: Bug 10711: (follow-up) removing tabs
06:41 * Kenza Zaki: Bug 10698: give C4::Circulation::DeleteTransfer() a return value
06:41 * Galen Charlton: Bug 10698: (follow-up) remove now-superfluous FIXME comment
06:41 * Kenza Zaki: Bug 10683: add unit tests for CRUD routines in C4::Circulation
06:41 * Jonathan Druart: Bug 10683: (follow-up) improvements to the unit tests
06:41 * Kenza Zaki: Bug 10795: Improvements for GetOpenIssue in C4::Circulation
06:41 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10682 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kenza.zaki, Pushed to Master , Inappropriate uses of finish() in C4::Reserve.pm
06:41 jenkins_koha * root: Bug 10641 - GetBooksellerWithLateOrders in C4::Bookseller.pm has some incoherences
06:41 * Robin Sheat: Bug 11012 - update package dependencies for koha-perldeps
06:41 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10681 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kenza.zaki, Pushed to Master , Inappropriate uses of finish() in C4::Circulation.pm
06:41 jenkins_koha * Owen Leonard: Bug 10794: fix sorting on billing date column in invoices table
06:41 * Jonathan Druart: Bug 9747: Fix NSB/NSE sorting issues on z3950 search results
06:41 * Fridolyn SOMERS: Bug 9747: sorting z3950 search results in acquisition
06:41 * Fridolyn SOMERS: Bug 10430 - status filter not working in serial claims when translated
06:41 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10711 minor, P5 - low, ---, kenza.zaki, Pushed to Master , GetOfflineOperation in C4/Circulation.pm should returns $sth->fetchrow_hashref instead of $result
06:41 jenkins_koha * Fridolyn SOMERS: Bug 10430: arrived and stopped status are not possible in serial claim
06:41 * Tomas Cohen Arazi: Bug 10624: add 'status' option switch for the packages init script
06:41 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10698 normal, P5 - low, ---, kenza.zaki, Pushed to Master , DeleteTransfer in C4::Circulation.pm needs return value
06:41 jenkins_koha * Ketan Kulkarni: Bug 10705: change 'shipment cost' to 'shipping cost'
06:41 * Katrin Fischer: Bug 10705: follow-up - change one more instance of "shippment cost"
06:41 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10683 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kenza.zaki, Pushed to Master , CRUD routines in C4::Circulation need unit tests
06:41 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10795 normal, P5 - low, ---, kenza.zaki, Pushed to Master , Improvements for GetOpenIssue in C4::Circulation
06:41 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10641 major, P5 - low, ---, kenza.zaki, Pushed to Master , GetBooksellerWithLateOrders in C4::Bookseller.pm has some incoherences
06:41 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=11012 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, robin, Pushed to Master , Update dependencies to account for new crypt lib
06:41 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10794 minor, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Sorting on billing date column in invoices table doesn't work
06:41 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9747 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, fridolyn.somers, Pushed to Master , sort issue for the z3950 results
06:41 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10430 major, P5 - low, ---, fridolyn.somers, Pushed to Master , status filter not working in serial claims when translated
06:41 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10624 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Pushed to Master , koha-common.init should implement the 'status' option switch
06:41 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10705 trivial, P5 - low, ---, ketan, Pushed to Master , Shipment cost should be 'shipping'
06:42 jenkins_koha Starting build #1435 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS)
06:42 JDatTeTakere I will come home from KohaCon13 to 3 obese cats.
06:44 cait heh
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06:50 magnuse kia ora paul_p
06:50 paul_p good morning.
06:50 continuing my international month: after Roma last week, Lausanne today, (then Reno on sunday)
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06:51 reiveune hello
06:52 magnuse paul_p: sounds like fun :-)
06:52 paul_p magnuse my wife disagree with you !
06:52 ;-)
06:53 * magnuse could almost guess that :-)
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07:06 jenkins_koha Project master_maria build #139: SUCCESS in 48 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]master_maria/139/
07:06 * Blou: Bug 6201: Add fields 1xx to marc2bibtex (for MARC21 and NORMARC)
07:06 * Galen Charlton: bug 6201: (follow-up) update unit tests
07:06 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6201 normal, P5 - low, ---, eric.begin, Pushed to Master , BibTeX export does not incude MARC21 main entry
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07:22 gaetan_B hello
07:27 rangi hi gaetan_B
07:27 @wunder nzwn
07:27 huginn rangi: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 9.0°C (8:00 PM NZDT on October 09, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 76%. Dew Point: 5.0°C. Pressure: 29.65 in 1004 hPa (Rising).
07:27 rangi cold night
07:27 gaetan_B salut rangi :)
07:28 JDatTeTakere Fire lit here in Levin rangi
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07:40 kf bgkriegel++ :)
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07:57 magnuse @wunder boo
07:57 huginn magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 9.0°C (9:50 AM CEST on October 09, 2013). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 87%. Dew Point: 7.0°C. Pressure: 29.33 in 993 hPa (Steady).
07:57 magnuse rangi: you and me both :-)
07:58 rangi heh
07:58 kf hm?
07:59 @wunder Konstanz
07:59 huginn kf: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 11.8°C (9:55 AM CEST on October 09, 2013). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 96%. Dew Point: 11.0°C. Pressure: 30.21 in 1023 hPa (Steady).
08:12 jenkins_koha Project Koha_master build #1435: SUCCESS in 1 hr 30 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]Koha_master/1435/
08:12 * Blou: Bug 6201: Add fields 1xx to marc2bibtex (for MARC21 and NORMARC)
08:12 * Galen Charlton: bug 6201: (follow-up) update unit tests
08:12 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6201 normal, P5 - low, ---, eric.begin, Pushed to Master , BibTeX export does not incude MARC21 main entry
08:14 kf @wunder reno, nevada
08:14 huginn kf: The current temperature in MidTown, Reno, Nevada is 9.5°C (1:00 AM PDT on October 09, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 37%. Dew Point: -5.0°C. Windchill: 9.0°C. Pressure: 29.63 in 1003 hPa (Falling).
08:23 JDatTeTakere Will pack warm clothes for Reno then :-)
08:25 kf yeah... layers layers...layers
08:37 samueld hi everybody :-)
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10:01 kf hi all
10:01 give me a sec and i can start the meeting?
10:02 jwagner no hurry :-)
10:03 kf #startmeeting Koha General IRC Meeting
10:03 huginn Meeting started Wed Oct  9 10:03:04 2013 UTC.  The chair is kf. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
10:03 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.
10:03 Topic for #koha is now  (Meeting topic: Koha General IRC Meeting)
10:03 huginn The meeting name has been set to 'koha_general_irc_meeting'
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10:03 kf #topic Introductions
10:03 Topic for #koha is now Introductions (Meeting topic: Koha General IRC Meeting)
10:03 wahanui #info wahanui, a bot that has become sentient
10:03 kf please introduce yourself using #info at the beginning of the line
10:03 #info Katrin Fischer, BSZ Germany
10:03 rangi #info chris cormack, catalyst IT
10:03 oleonard #info Owen Leonard, Athens County Public Libraries
10:03 drojf #info Mirko Tietgen, Berlin, only lurking
10:03 thd #info Thomas Dukleth, Agogme, New York City
10:04 davidnind #info David Nind, Wellington, New Zealand
10:04 kf the agenda for today's meeting is here:
10:04 #link http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]g,_9_October_2013
10:04 ColinC #info Colin Campbell, PTFS-Europe, UK
10:04 jwagner #info Jane Wagner, LibLime/PTFS
10:05 kf let's make this nice and quick :)
10:05 #topic Update on 3.8
10:05 Topic for #koha is now Update on 3.8 (Meeting topic: Koha General IRC Meeting)
10:05 kf chrish is not here I think?
10:05 #topic Update on 3.10
10:05 Topic for #koha is now Update on 3.10 (Meeting topic: Koha General IRC Meeting)
10:06 kf bgkriegel left me a message as he has no time to attend:
10:06 "No news from 3.10. No news from TM. good luck all on KohaCon."
10:06 I disagree about the TM news, as I think the mail pointing out errors in the existing po files was a great idea
10:06 bgkriegel++ :)
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10:07 rangi i agree
10:07 kf #topic Update on 3.12
10:07 Topic for #koha is now Update on 3.12 (Meeting topic: Koha General IRC Meeting)
10:07 kf we have a note from gmcharlt on the wiki
10:08 rangi no tcohen eh?
10:08 kf probably bad timing for argentina
10:08 rangi yep
10:08 kf he pushed lots of patches yesterday
10:08 so it looks on track
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10:08 kf moving on?
10:09 tajoli Hi, Zeno Tajoli, CINECA
10:09 kf #topic Update 3.14
10:09 Topic for #koha is now Update 3.14 (Meeting topic: Koha General IRC Meeting)
10:09 kf quiet meeting so far :)
10:09 Citing gmcharlt's message from the wiki:
10:09 1. Feature freeze has passed
10:09 2. RM's focus is completing feature merges this week
10:09 3. RM will be cutting a 3.14 alpha on Monday, 14 October
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10:10 kf As qam i can add: please test test test... but I am always going to say that :)
10:10 rangi :)
10:10 slef #info MJ Ray, software.coop (England)
10:10 kf I will concentrate on passing bugfixes when i have time
10:10 until the release is out
10:10 wahanui i already had it that way, kf.
10:11 kf any questions or comments?
10:11 BobB #info Bob Birchall, Calyx, sorry I'm late
10:11 JDatTeTakere #info JDatTeTakere, NZ
10:11 kf nothng much happened so far :)
10:12 moving on ok?
10:12 tajoli I have a question about 3.14
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10:12 kf yes?
10:12 tajoli About bug 7688
10:12 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7688 enhancement, P3, ---, julian.maurice, Passed QA , Change subscriptions numbering pattern and frequencies
10:13 tajoli The status is 'passed QA', so how can I help on insert it into master ?
10:13 rangi you can't
10:13 kf I think if you wanted to do additional testing and provide an additional sign off that would be appreciated - but final decision has the RM
10:14 and if you do testing, i think writing down what has been tested would be good
10:14 tajoli OK
10:15 kf i have some notes about this bug i still have to post :(
10:15 I am worried about some aspects of t
10:16 ok to move on?
10:16 #topic Roles/elections for 3.16
10:16 Topic for #koha is now Roles/elections for 3.16 (Meeting topic: Koha General IRC Meeting)
10:17 rangi probably time to start thinking about this
10:17 i can start a wiki page
10:17 kf agreed :)
10:17 #action rangi to start a wiki page for roles 3.16
10:17 any questions or comments?
10:18 hm release is in november
10:18 * oleonard sincerely hopes there's someone crazy enough to apply to be RM
10:18 kf so we only have 1 meeting until then i think iwth the normal schedule?
10:18 but having a separate meeting for voting might be good anyway
10:18 still, shoudl we set some kind of deadline so we make sure that we have a new team before release?
10:19 BobB we have kohacon/hackfest for some discussion, so we could vote at our next meeting?
10:19 * kf hands out some strong coffee to everyone
10:20 kf I think we could, given there are enough people, but maybe note it somewhere?
10:20 rangi BobB: gotta get nominations first before any one can vote on anything
10:20 #link http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]ki/Roles_for_3.16
10:20 kf rangi++
10:21 ok, let's see if the page fills up :)
10:22 that brings us to...
10:22 #topic KohaCon13
10:22 Topic for #koha is now KohaCon13 (Meeting topic: Koha General IRC Meeting)
10:22 kf well... it's next week!
10:22 oleonard Yay!
10:23 JDatTeTakere :)
10:23 BobB Is America open?
10:23 kf BobB: hm?
10:24 oleonard The rest of us have to suffer on while the politicians play around with the government
10:24 kf hm should it affect travelling?
10:24 BobB i don't think airports are affected yet?
10:24 thd BobB: The Library of Congress is closed but their backend automated services are still running.
10:25 JDatTeTakere Border control still fully functional
10:25 oleonard Airports won't be affected because Congressmen always have to fly home to raise money
10:25 wahanui oleonard: That doesn't look right. Try 'airport code for CITY' or 'airport name for CODE' instead.
10:26 kf apart from that nancy is not here, but I am quite sure everything is ready us :)
10:26 ah
10:27 #link http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]ohacon13/Arrivals
10:27 #link http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]ohacon13/Hackfest
10:27 We have started a wiki page for the heackest to gather some ideas - please add to it :)
10:28 ok, moving on?
10:28 #topic KohaCon14 / Actions from last meeting
10:28 Topic for #koha is now KohaCon14 / Actions from last meeting (Meeting topic: Koha General IRC Meeting)
10:28 kf the only action from last meeting was for drojf to start a survey - which he did :)
10:28 drojf++
10:29 drojf worked alright, clear result in favour of argentina (like ~300:100). Have not had time to put up the final numbers, sorry
10:29 so from now on i hand all over to tcohen and bgkriegel :)
10:30 kf congrats to argentina! :)
10:31 ok, i skipped announcement earlier -
10:31 #topic Announcements
10:31 Topic for #koha is now Announcements (Meeting topic: Koha General IRC Meeting)
10:31 kf anything? please?
10:31 wahanui it has been said that anything is possible with enough development work :)
10:31 kf thx wahanui
10:31 wahanui yw
10:32 kf #topic Next meeting
10:32 Topic for #koha is now Next meeting (Meeting topic: Koha General IRC Meeting)
10:32 kf so i think another date well before release on 22nd... maybe first week of november?
10:32 davidnind 6th November 2:00 UTC would fit current pattern
10:33 kf davidnind++
10:33 and +1
10:33 oleonard +1
10:33 davidnind +1
10:33 JDatTeTakere +1
10:33 rangi +1
10:33 kf I think that's the evil time for europe?
10:34 thd +1
10:34 drojf +1
10:34 kf: yes
10:34 kf ah
10:34 so my apologies :)
10:35 ok, but still
10:35 #agreed Next IRC meeting will be on 6th November 2:00 UTC
10:35 any last words before I end the meeting?
10:35 drojf can i delegate my vote?
10:36 rangi for the release team?
10:36 BobB we should allow proxies, for sure
10:36 rangi just write it on the wiki
10:36 BobB +1
10:36 drojf cool! :)
10:36 kf yeah wiki is good - can see it was your login :)
10:37 #info votes can be noted on the wiki
10:37 thd recording something on the wiki seems much less likely to lead to trouble than proxy voting.
10:37 kf hm hope that makes sense
10:38 drojf yes i like the wiki idea
10:38 kf time to end? :)
10:38 #endmeeting
10:38 Topic for #koha is now Welcome to #koha this channel is for discussion of the Koha project and software http://koha-community.org. Next general IRC meeting 9th October, 10:00 UTC
10:38 huginn Meeting ended Wed Oct  9 10:38:27 2013 UTC.  Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4)
10:38 Minutes:        http://meetings.koha-community[…]-10-09-10.03.html
10:38 Minutes (text): http://meetings.koha-community[…]3-10-09-10.03.txt
10:38 Log:            http://meetings.koha-community[…]09-10.03.log.html
10:38 BobB yes thd, I didn't mean formal proxies, just the idea that one should be able to vote without actually attending
10:38 davidnind kf++
10:38 oleonard Oh shoot, I was going to propose that we fix RDA before the end of the meeting.
10:38 kf that was easy - you all were so quiet!
10:39 oleonard: go stand in the corner :)
10:39 jwagner kf, it's too early in the morning here....
10:39 JDatTeTakere And too late at night here.
10:39 kf i am missing lunch!
10:39 :)
10:39 jwagner so any active mischief is up to the Europeans!
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10:40 thd BobB: Yes of course, and that will be election day in the US.
10:40 BobB very cool
10:40 Koha RM for president!!!
10:41 kf :)
10:41 drojf kf++ # all hail the chair
10:42 kf heh
10:42 thd BobB: The president is not on the ballot this time but many of those voting to close the government are.
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10:44 BobB then let the people speak!
10:45 kf oh nice
10:45 we got the first nominee
10:45 bgkriegel++
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10:46 thd s/voting to close/not voting to fund/
10:46 kf bbl
10:46 * thd continues to drift into sleep
10:47 oleonard not voting to fund == voting to close :P
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11:11 drojf what's with all the netsplits lately? or is that only me?
11:15 BobB no, I see it too
11:15 but I've no idea what it means
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11:31 Joubu re
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12:03 * kf waves at Joubu
12:05 Joubu hi kf :)
12:05 kf :)
12:09 * magnuse missed the meeting :-(
12:10 just came back from a eat-all-you-want sushi lunch :-)
12:10 kf oooh
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12:37 magnuse is it slightly weird that the emails to the koha-commits list have "main Koha release repository branch master updated. v3.12.00-beta1..." in the subject?
12:37 not a big deal of course...
12:38 tcohen morning #koha
12:40 magnuse kia ora tcohen
12:40 tcohen @later tell mtompset 8773 is the addition of an init script to the packages, it could be adjusted to launch 6435 instead of Tamil's, the answer would be "they fit together well"
12:40 huginn tcohen: The operation succeeded.
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12:41 tcohen hi magnuse
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13:14 magnuse druthb!
13:14 wahanui Well, she finally snapped, like we all knew she would.
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13:44 druthb magnuse!
13:44 wahanui magnuse is afraid that we added another 10000 bugs while he was eating pizza.
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14:02 gmcharlt @quote random
14:02 huginn gmcharlt: Quote #244: "'If you really didn't do it yourself, then yes, the only other conclusion is you were/are hacked by someone who likes to upgrade Koha'" (added by mtj at 10:37 PM, April 30, 2013)
14:04 reiveune bye
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14:24 mtompset Greetings, #koha.
14:25 rambutan hi mtompset
14:25 mtompset Greetings, rambutan. :)
14:27 druthb Hi, mtompset. :)
14:28 mtompset Hey, druthb.
14:29 rambutan morning druthb
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14:34 mtompset Greetings, bgkriegel.
14:36 bgkriegel Hi mtompset
14:46 tcohen hi bgkriegel
14:48 * mtompset anxiously awaits a full reindex.
14:48 mtompset We're moving our QA system today.
14:49 This could be glorious or painful. I'm hoping for the former. So far so good.
14:54 woo hoo! glorious!
14:54 magnuse yay!
14:56 mtompset I successfully ran a full reindex with no "malformed tags" error.
14:56 The same error generated in our old VM environment.
14:57 using the SAME data.
14:57 I knew it was vserver! I knew it!
14:57 vserver-- # In your face, vserver virtualization technology!
15:06 rambutan so are you running a different vm or are you on bare metal now?
15:09 mtompset It's a different VM now.
15:09 We are in the midst of switching host providers.
15:10 rambutan ah
15:14 tcohen @later tell eythian would you approve using update-perl-sax-parser during install/update to set the right sax parser? we currently don't care
15:14 huginn tcohen: The operation succeeded.
15:14 tcohen gmcharlt?
15:14 wahanui hmmm... gmcharlt is an expert in all things library technology.
15:17 gmcharlt tcohen: no objection from me, but I'd almost perform requiring a minimum version of 1.0.1 for MARC::File::XML to side-step the entire problem
15:17 that would mean backporting that version from jessie to squeeze and wheezy, though
15:17 s/perform/prefer/
15:19 tcohen backporting that version would mean it doesn't matter which sax parser is set?
15:20 gmcharlt correct
15:20 tcohen ok, we need to talk with eythian then
15:20 gmcharlt also makes MARCXML parsing faster in general
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15:45 kivilahtio wow. I have added support for BranchTransferLimits, regarding Holds to the OPAC and staff client
15:45 just need to test it more and package it for nice tidy patches
15:45 tomorrow will dig into modifying the holds targeting functionality build_holds_queue.pl
15:46 cool :)
15:47 but internally the holds-bits seem to be a mess, especially the templates need rework.
15:47 with mess I mean the naming conventions are not very helpful. I know one is not supposed to change variable names, but sometimes they are frankly misleading
15:48 like $item, which turns out to be a items.itemnumber instead of a items-row
15:48 ofc would be nice if someone could have the time to do some Sign Offs when the time comes
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15:53 kivilahtio btw. the ability to place holds on multiple biblios for specific items is a challenge to overcome, or modify.
15:54 but, thanks for Koha everyone. C u later
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16:49 tcohen ubuntu packages?
16:49 packages?
16:49 wahanui packages is, like, at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Debian
16:49 gaetan_B bye !
16:50 tcohen gmcharlt: i'll post instructions for properly changing ubuntu'ss default sax parser
16:50 gmcharlt K
16:50 tcohen (i.e. avoiding an update to revert the changes)
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17:46 mtompset ubuntu?
17:46 wahanui i think ubuntu is a debian-based OS and Koha has shiny new ubuntu intructions.
17:47 mtompset tcohen: Changing default sax parser?
17:47 Why is that step now relevant?
17:50 which sax parser is the right one?
17:54 Okay, I see the instruction tweaks.
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18:08 mtompset Greetings, cait. :)
18:09 cait hi mtompset, hi #koha
18:29 tcohen mtompset: if you install koha-common, and then run misc/sax_parser_test.pl you'll notice it fails
18:29 mtompset Yes, but I was informed that shouldn't matter.
18:30 tcohen that's not clear to me
18:30 i belive for tar.gz / git setups it is mandatory
18:30 and I don't see why it shouldn't for packages
18:31 mtompset Actually, I think the reason was historically, because one of the SAX parsers which became default was buggy, and this was to get around that.
18:32 However, my understanding was that this problem has resolved itself with new versions of the parsers.
18:32 tcohen yes but... i was told once that pureperl (for instance) was a buggy choice for Koha
18:32 gmcharlt buggy and slow
18:32 mtompset Yes, I do vaguely recall that.
18:33 jcamins tcohen: on the package installations I have, Koha consistently uses the correct SAX parser without my doing anything.
18:33 tcohen jcamins: did you run misc/sax_parser_test.pl ?
18:33 jcamins No.
18:34 tcohen maybe Koha chooses the right one, i know nothing about this
18:34 i just saw an inconsistency in our docs
18:34 and also saw there was a command line method for setting the desried parser on debian
18:35 (a user-friendly one, without editing stuff)
18:35 i volunteer to fix documentation on this once we reach a consensus about the subject during the hackfest
18:35 or a midnight beer
18:40 * cait bought beer today...
18:40 cait it was a weird day.
18:40 tcohen bye #koha
18:40 mtompset bye, tcohen.
18:40 cait bye tcohen
18:41 mtompset jcamins: I have gotten it to use the wrong one (accidentally) when doing a tarball install.
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19:19 kathryn morning all :)
19:19 morning, evening, howdy
19:21 cait morning :)
19:31 rangi its a gorgeously sunny day outside
19:31 so i give you this
19:31 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gD0xliH_jGQ
19:34 wizzyrea nice one
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19:46 pug its unusually silent here!
19:47 cait it is
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19:49 pianohacker hooola
19:50 cait hi pianohacker
19:51 pug I had a question regarding using the word 'koha'
19:52 is it wrong if a hosting service is named 'nkoha' or something
19:52 ?
19:52 cait pug: take a look at the guidelines
19:52 they are on the wiki
19:53 m website
19:53 rangi not if its using actual koha, and is open and clear about that it is hosting koha, and that they didnt make/own koha (no more than anyone else did anyway)
19:53 cait :)
19:53 pug :)
19:53 let me lookup
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19:54 jcamins rangi: I thought the guidelines were "don't use Koha in your domain name, period"?
19:54 pug cait: could you possibly help with a link?
19:54 rangi they didnt say domain name
19:54 cait http://koha-community.org/abou[…]-usage-agreement/
19:55 we have something here
19:55 jcamins rangi: oh. You're right. Never mind.
19:56 wizzyrea lawyers prefer KOHA, clearly.
19:56 magnuse just dont't write KOHA :-)
19:56 bag :P
19:56 rangi the reason its written there as KOHA not Koha is because trademarks are usually uppercased
19:56 wizzyrea ^
19:56 cait or KoHa
19:56 ...
19:56 rangi but yeah, its a word not an acronym
19:57 jcamins cait: unless its your karate yell.
19:57 magnuse http://kohadevreactions.tumblr[…]-the-list-kohails ;-)
19:58 mtompset jcamins++ # loved the humour. :)
20:02 pug oops.. where did this discussion take us!
20:03 cait: thanks that helps!
20:03 jcamins pug: depends. Are you at the gym practicing your right-left and left-right jabs on the punching bag shouting "Ko! Ha! Ko! Ha!" If not, not nearly as far as I might've hoped.
20:05 pug RIght now Im not .. but clearly I must try the drill out next time i go jab-cross!
20:19 rangi pug: are you thinking of offering a hosting service (cos that would be cool, the more the merrier)
21:09 eythian hi
21:09 cait hi eythian
21:10 eythian @later tell tcohen do we need to care about the SAX parser? I had the impression that it no longer made any difference.
21:10 huginn eythian: The operation succeeded.
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22:38 mtompset eythian: I think we may care if it somehow gets set to pureperl's version.
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22:40 eythian hmm, possibly. I'm reluctant to change configuration. Detecting it might be OK though.
22:41 *would be OK
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22:55 mtompset Well, tcohen has added three lines of commands into the ubuntu packages instructions, and i don't see why they would be a problem to execute.
22:55 http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]efault_XML_parser
22:57 eythian mtompset: because it might break other things on the server.
22:57 Making mysterious configuration changes outside our own packages is frowned upon.
22:57 mtompset I understand.
22:58 The question is how many people run everything on the same server? If only Koha is running on the server, it is okay to do that.
22:58 rangi no
22:58 its never ok to do that in packages
22:59 if we ever want to get the packages into debian proper, and we do, we need to do things the debian way
22:59 mtompset Ah.
22:59 rangi and that means you dont change system wide settings
22:59 eythian also, it's not for us to say who uses their server for what.
22:59 rangi and that
23:00 i like gmcharlt's solution better
23:00 eythian Detecting it and notifying would be OK.
23:00 rangi using the 1.0.1 of MARC::File::XML
23:00 which makes this moot
23:00 jcamins Has anyone managed to trigger a problem with the other SAX parsers with packages?
23:00 rangi not me jcamins
23:01 jcamins Nor have I.
23:01 mtompset with packages? I don't think so.
23:01 jcamins I've gotten stacktraces from the desired SAX parser, though.
23:01 So why are we still wasting time on this?
23:01 eythian In fact, if someone has changed their config such that they have a different parser, there is almost certainly a reason they wanted to do that.
23:01 gmcharlt there is still a speed improvement to consider
23:01 rangi well upgrading to new marc::file::xml also will make it faster
23:01 what he said
23:02 jcamins gmcharlt: have you gotten the packages to use the incorrect SAX parser?
23:02 rangi i think focusing on upgrading, which has the side effect of making this whole thing moot
23:02 even with tarballs
23:02 mtompset I can't seem to cpan2deb MARC::File::XML
23:02 rangi is a better way to spend effort
23:03 gmcharlt jcamins: I don't know and don't particularly care, as I always install MARC::File::XML from CPAN anyway
23:03 and will continue to do so until the patckages catch up
23:03 jcamins I install it from packages, and I have never seen the packages not use the correct SAX parser.
23:04 rangi they wont
23:04 unless you set them to
23:04 because the packages depend on the correct sax parser
23:04 you can override by editing the /etc file
23:04 but thats your choice and you should be allowed to do it
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23:05 rangi so in short nothing needs to be done with the packages
23:05 however, packaging a newer MARC::File::XML is still good
23:05 mtompset +1 to that. I'm not having success trying to package it for myself. :(
23:05 rangi because it's faster than the old one
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23:26 dcook Does anyone know which page Galen modified with an update on 3.14?
23:27 Nevermind...
23:27 Silly me
23:27 gmcharlt err...
23:27 :)
23:27 dcook Actually...
23:27 Nope, still not seeing it
23:27 mtompset Greetings, dcook tcohen.
23:28 dcook hey mtompset
23:28 wahanui mtompset is fighting a test writing learning curve to get code in before feature slush.
23:28 mtompset I need to change that again.
23:28 Now I'm fighting a distribution roll.
23:28 gmcharlt dcook: http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]g,_9_October_2013
23:29 mtompset Trying to figure out where it failed, so that I can fix it, and get it out the door.
23:29 dcook gmcharlt: Ah.
23:29 That makes sense
23:29 Thanks ;)
23:29 My brain hasn't been working too well the past day or so
23:30 Must still think it's the long weekend
23:30 * gmcharlt would like to share the delusion ;)
23:31 dcook Self-delusion is pretty great ^_^
23:33 tcohen mtompset: distribution roll?
23:33 mtompset building a koha .deb
23:33 problem is there's some test failing somewhere, and it isn't obvious where.
23:33 tcohen didn't i send you my instructions?
23:34 oh, you said building, not populating the repo
23:34 mtompset I'm using the easy way instructions from the wiki
23:34 tcohen i'll put on the wiki the steps I follow to have our own repo
23:35 mtompset DOH! found it.
23:35 tcohen which you could try :-P
23:35 * mtompset grumbles about updatedatabase.pl
23:38 mtompset why is DBD::Mock 1.43 considered too old?!
23:38 That's the default for wheezy.
23:38 jcamins Because it's too old.
23:42 mtompset But wheezy is the latest stable, why would the packages in the default repos for wheezy be considered too old?
23:43 jcamins Because they have bugs.
23:43 * mtompset sighs. Okay, working around it.
23:43 mtompset cpan2deb  DBD::Mock.
23:45 eythian http://zgp.org/targeted-advert[…]nsidered-harmful/
23:46 We'd like to stick with the wheezy versions unless it's totally impossible. Maintain custom modules carries some overhead with it.
23:58 tcohen omfgh http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=noq8FYvRqgs#t=70

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