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| 00:08 | hankbank joined #koha | |
| 00:12 | dcook | Anyone have any idea why 952$e "source of acquisition" exists? |
| 00:12 | I suppose there might be value in knowing the source of acquisition for an item...but it doesn't appear that it really display anywhere in Koha. | |
| 00:13 | jcamins | For mapping 852. |
| 00:13 | dcook | 852? |
| 00:14 | jcamins | @marc 852 |
| 00:14 | huginn` | jcamins: Identifies the organization holding the item or from which it is available. May also contain detailed information about how to locate the item in a collection. (Repeatable) [a,b,c,e,f,g,h,i,j,k,l,m,n,p,q,s,t,u,x,z,2,3,6,8] |
| 00:16 | dcook | O_o |
| 00:16 | Still don't see how that would fit into the 852 | |
| 00:16 | Especially as a "booksellerid" unless that's a DB name that's a holdover from something else | |
| 00:16 | Wouldn't the source of acquisition be the source of acquisition and not its holding location? | |
| 00:17 | jcamins | Sorry, that's not the one I was thinking of. |
| 00:17 | I don't have holdings bookmarked. | |
| 00:17 | 876. | |
| 00:17 | @marc 876 | |
| 00:17 | huginn` | jcamins: [Described in full under field 876 in the MARC 21 Concise Format for Holdings Data.] (Repeatable) [] |
| 00:18 | dcook | Ahhh |
| 00:18 | That makes more sense :) | |
| 00:19 | That's interesting how it sort of maps across | |
| 00:20 | Thanks jcamins :) | |
| 00:20 | jcamins++ | |
| 00:21 | I suppose items.booksellerid is still a misnoner but at least it's a medium text field.. | |
| 00:21 | So no real purpose aside from that? | |
| 00:22 | jcamins | There may have been, but that's my guess. |
| 00:22 | dcook | Good guess |
| 01:22 | * mtompset | grumbles about the pains of writing a test. |
| 01:22 | mtompset | I can't seem to get it quite right. |
| 01:23 | Faking a dummy member should be easy. | |
| 01:23 | I mean patron. | |
| 01:32 | ebegin joined #koha | |
| 01:46 | kathryn joined #koha | |
| 01:49 | * eythian | bids three hundred quatloos for the newcomers. |
| 02:01 | mtompset | Good Lord! I found a bug in a test that I was using to create my own. |
| 02:01 | What madness that was! | |
| 02:03 | Could someone else confirm this: t/db_dependent/Members.t Line 50... the -> should be a :: | |
| 02:04 | jcamins | Confirmed. |
| 02:05 | rangi | C4::Context->set_userenv ( @USERENV ); |
| 02:05 | that line? | |
| 02:06 | jcamins | rangi: yeah, C4::Context fails to handle the first argument. |
| 02:06 | mtompset | Yes. |
| 02:07 | jcamins++ # thank you for checking. | |
| 02:07 | rangi | the pod needs to be fixed too |
| 02:07 | mtompset | rangi++ # thank you for noticing. :) |
| 02:08 | rangi | id file a bug to fix C4::Context |
| 02:09 | mtompset | But you would also have to go looking for C4::Context(::|->)set_userenv calls. |
| 02:09 | jcamins | Yeah, but you have to do that regardless. |
| 02:09 | rangi | there are are precisely 2 |
| 02:09 | InstallAuth and Auth.pm | |
| 02:10 | there are more using -> than :: | |
| 02:10 | and having a hlaf object .pm is kinda mental | |
| 02:12 | its even worse | |
| 02:12 | C4/Auth.pm:645: C4::Context::set_userenv( | |
| 02:12 | C4/Auth.pm:1497: C4::Context->set_userenv( "$borrowernumber", $userid, $cardnumber | |
| 02:13 | so yeah it needs to be fixed | |
| 02:13 | mtompset | Oh mercy! |
| 02:14 | rangi | luckily its only in 2 files (and the tests) |
| 02:14 | C4/Auth.pm and installer/InstallAuth.pm | |
| 02:18 | mtompset | but looking at the content of Auth.pm -- Should there be any C4::Context::<blah>'s at all? |
| 02:19 | set_shelves_userenv | |
| 02:20 | I suppose C4::Context::KOHAVERSION is a variable, so :: makes sense? | |
| 02:20 | rangi | kinda |
| 02:21 | mtompset | Though, not in the purest object form sense. :) |
| 02:22 | rangi | ideally you would have a method to get the version to |
| 02:23 | * mtompset | nods. |
| 02:25 | mtompset | So a bug report for each function/method of C4::Context that isn't called like an object? |
| 02:27 | eythian | one bug to cover them all is probably sufficient. |
| 02:28 | mtompset | *sigh* I just want my test for the patch to work on the current master, so I guess a bad test it is. :( |
| 02:28 | dcook | One Bug to rule them all, One Bug to find them, |
| 02:28 | One Bug to bring them all and in the darkness bind them | |
| 02:28 | A bad test? | |
| 02:28 | mtompset | Using the :: instead of the -> |
| 02:28 | dcook | So a suboptimal test |
| 02:29 | A bad test makes me think the test doesn't work :p | |
| 02:29 | mtompset | bad as in quality, not in functionality. |
| 02:30 | dcook | Whoa...permissions have changed a lot in master.. |
| 02:30 | eythian | well, you could fix the test as an additional patch to your bug if it's needed. I don't imagine anyone would complain about that. |
| 02:41 | arg master packages can't build due to test failure | |
| 02:41 | DBI connect('dbname=koha;host=localhost;port=3306','kohaadmin',...) failed: Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock' (2) at /tmp/buildd/koha-3.13/blib/PERL_MODULE_DIR/C4/Context.pm line 810 | |
| 02:41 | ... | |
| 02:41 | do people not test this properly? | |
| 02:42 | rangi | i just fixed that |
| 02:42 | eythian | oh, handy :) |
| 02:42 | what's the bug number, I'll roll it in | |
| 02:42 | rangi | bug 10897 |
| 02:42 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10897 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Needs Signoff , t/ILSDI_Services.t is db dependent |
| 02:42 | rangi | i fixed it by mocking the dbh call |
| 02:44 | fwiw i test by switching off mysql | |
| 02:45 | eythian | I was thinking we should have the 00-load.t test behave like there's no connection, it'd catch a lot of the cases anyway. |
| 02:46 | like, remove the connection details from C4::Context or something, so that things will fail no matter if there's a db there or not. | |
| 02:46 | rangi | yep |
| 02:50 | * rangi | plays with git bisect run prove -l t/ILSDI_Services.t |
| 02:50 | rangi | and it found me the bad commit |
| 02:51 | 995f4b6ecb504e1648816b0841e90efb814f25c7 | |
| 02:51 | +use C4::Auth; | |
| 02:51 | that did it | |
| 02:56 | eythian | there we go, now it's passed QA :) |
| 02:56 | rangi | :) |
| 02:56 | * eythian | uses power for good |
| 02:56 | eythian | also, new packages from master published |
| 03:12 | there are _far_ too many warnings coming out of Auth.pm | |
| 03:15 | hmm, might just be our version that has these issues. Probably needs a cleanup. | |
| 03:37 | mtompset | There. It took all day, but I have a test written. YAY! |
| 03:39 | eythian | that's OK, the next one will only take half a day :D |
| 03:41 | mtompset | I'll stop trying to add functionality. That will make writing the tests easier. :P |
| 03:41 | dcook | Yeah, I wrote a test a while ago and now I figure I'll just wait until I'm done before revising that test.. |
| 03:42 | eythian | write the test first, and then write the code to stop it failing. |
| 03:42 | mtompset | eythian: sometimes it's more fun to code on the fly. |
| 03:42 | dcook | Yeah, I like that idea in theory |
| 03:42 | But you don't know how your code is going to evolve over time | |
| 03:42 | eythian | it feels a lot slower, but you actually end up saving a lot of time. |
| 03:43 | dcook: then you haven't properly specified it :) | |
| 03:43 | dcook | hehe |
| 03:43 | Yeah, that's the thought in the back of my mind... | |
| 03:43 | Feels a bit late for that now though | |
| 03:43 | mtompset | sometimes the specification is a sentence from the user with so much running space. :) |
| 03:43 | eythian | then you need to come up with the detail yourself. Which, at the level of code, you probably should be doing anyway. |
| 03:47 | mtompset | eythian: It is slower. Writing the test takes as much time as the debugging, which wouldn't go any faster if the test was written first. Writing the specification first, then the tests, then the code only serves to find the flaw in the specifications, which revises the tests and then the code, and the cycle may repeat multiple times. |
| 03:48 | jcamins | mtompset: I have never found that to be the case. |
| 03:48 | mtompset | Sadly, I have. |
| 03:48 | jcamins | Fastest development is always test first. |
| 03:48 | cait joined #koha | |
| 03:48 | jcamins | The larger the development, the more dramatic the difference. |
| 03:48 | eythian | Writing the test is faster than the debugging, leads to code structured in a way that lends itself to being diagnosed in small units, and fewer iterations of "have I fixed it yet?" |
| 03:49 | whereas if you write the tests after, you end up refactoring code to be testable which produces a better design, but is omething you should have done up-front. | |
| 03:49 | jcamins | eythian: on the other hand, more iterations of "gosh, that was dumb. Better fix it" Unlike the other way, where it's just one big "OMGOMGOMG MUST FIX ALL THE THINGS." |
| 03:50 | mtompset | @quote add "jcamins: ... OMGOMGOMG MUST FIX ALL THE THINGS." |
| 03:50 | huginn` | mtompset: The operation succeeded. Quote #278 added. |
| 03:50 | eythian | well yes, though at least you have a handy tool that tells you how much dumb you have left to fix :) |
| 03:51 | mtompset | Out of context quotes are the best for random quoting. :) |
| 03:51 | jcamins | And then there are the unit tests that all pass, except for when you use the test harness in the makefile. |
| 03:52 | mtompset | @quote random |
| 03:52 | huginn` | mtompset: Quote #63: "<jwagner> But no one expects the Spammish Inquisition!" (added by jdavidb at 01:50 PM, March 01, 2010) |
| 03:53 | mtompset | test harness in a makefile? |
| 03:53 | jcamins | We use prove. |
| 03:53 | However, I figured out the problem. Sort of. | |
| 03:54 | And it has nothing to do with Koha. | |
| 03:56 | mtompset | Hmmm... nearing midnight. |
| 03:57 | I may turn into a pumpkin. | |
| 03:57 | However, it was a lovely time at the writing a test ball. :) | |
| 04:04 | * mtompset | goes poof. |
| 04:04 | mtompset | Have a great day, #koha. |
| 04:09 | eythian | http://www.amazon.com/gp/custo[…]0?ie=UTF8&index=0 |
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| 06:01 | lost_and_unfound | greetings all |
| 06:03 | I know that version 3.0.0 is ancient, however, I am trying to understand the setup of koha. Can I just run the zebra rebuilding without any implications / side effects: http://pastie.org/private/gusyfgrtpx8rndhwyspuqg# | |
| 06:05 | cait | lost_and_unfound: you already asked that yesterday i think ;) |
| 06:06 | laurence joined #koha | |
| 06:06 | lost_and_unfound | I did, but i was AFK and my chat history does not go back that far :/ |
| 06:06 | sorry for the repeat | |
| 06:06 | cait | hm your etc/koha is interesting |
| 06:07 | are there really running multiple kohas on that machine? | |
| 06:07 | lost_and_unfound | cait, this whole setup is interesting |
| 06:07 | yip | |
| 06:07 | from from port 8080 to 8090 | |
| 06:07 | differnt MySQL db for each instance | |
| 06:08 | cait | i am not sure what advice to give you |
| 06:08 | i am not a system administrator | |
| 06:08 | lost_and_unfound | http://pastie.org/private/dqbrk73yffie8knwxhowbq |
| 06:09 | ^^ all the db's running | |
| 06:09 | cait | you will want to make sure you run the rebuild for the right instance |
| 06:09 | you can't run it for all of them at once I don't think - there should be separated indexes | |
| 06:09 | andfor each the environment variables are a bit different - because pointing to the conf file | |
| 06:10 | do you know who set your Koha up? | |
| 06:10 | lost_and_unfound | ok, but in the paste i mention that the zebra log files are old (thing 2008) and I do not see a zebra instance running, just the port 9999 |
| 06:10 | cait | he even changed the staff css it looks like :) |
| 06:11 | yeah, i have no idea about that :( | |
| 06:11 | lost_and_unfound | this is one of those "a guy work on in and left the company 3 years ago, no one touched it until now"-scenarios |
| 06:11 | cait | if it's 3.0 it could be running without zebra even |
| 06:11 | oh | |
| 06:11 | that's something you could check i guess | |
| 06:11 | * lost_and_unfound | is all ears |
| 06:11 | cait | in 3.0 there was still a nozebra option |
| 06:12 | it's in administration system preferences.... search for zebra | |
| 06:12 | it's not something that should be switched after installation, because needs setup, but would be intersting to see what it's set to | |
| 06:14 | lost_and_unfound | looking to see what I can find |
| 06:16 | cait, http://img6.imageshack.us/img6/8670/5gvi.png | |
| 06:17 | cait | those are only the local use ones |
| 06:17 | i think it should be in search maybe | |
| 06:17 | that or Admin | |
| 06:17 | you can use the search on top, look for nozebra | |
| 06:20 | lost_and_unfound | ok... http://img14.imageshack.us/img14/5001/bxl0.png |
| 06:20 | seemed to have found something | |
| 06:24 | so let me see if I understand this correct. In the 'About' section it shows that the zebra utility is availble ( http://img6.imageshack.us/img6/3516/6oci.png ), however in the settings, the zebra is not used. So even if I do a rebuild it will have no effect on the current issue. | |
| 06:26 | cait | it looks like it |
| 06:26 | and it explains the missing setup for zebra | |
| 06:28 | installing zebra with 3.0 and multiple instances (not quite a standard setup) might have proven to hard | |
| 06:28 | so nozebra was used - which will use the mysql database for searching | |
| 06:28 | that would be my guess | |
| 06:28 | lost_and_unfound | so yesterday I also did a mysqlcheck on the tables and found some tables needed to be repaired, I have also completed that |
| 06:29 | * magnuse | waves |
| 06:29 | cait | i think there is also a script to rebuild with using nozebra |
| 06:29 | wahanui | okay, cait. |
| 06:29 | cait | but i have never used such an installation |
| 06:29 | good morning magnuse | |
| 06:30 | your problem can also have other sources i think | |
| 06:30 | for example a misconfiguratoin in the marc frameworks | |
| 06:30 | magnuse | there is a rebuild_nozebra.pl script |
| 06:30 | cait | you could try running the bibliographic framework test that is under administration |
| 06:30 | magnuse | ...in 3.0.x |
| 06:31 | cait | it could show you some more obvious problems |
| 06:33 | lost_and_unfound | I am trying to find a pattern... I have done 3 word searches. 1.) law [valid], 2.)lawsa [error], 3.) notavalidsearch [invalid]. only using the "lawsa" word generates the error, the "law" and "notavalidsearch" word return data and no data respectively |
| 06:33 | cait | nozebra might be a bit of a blind spot for most people here |
| 06:33 | it's been deprecated for ages now and has been removed since | |
| 06:35 | lost_and_unfound | I will run the framework test and see what is the results |
| 06:38 | cait | have to go |
| 06:38 | bbl | |
| 06:38 | cait left #koha | |
| 06:39 | lost_and_unfound | thanks very much for the help cait |
| 06:39 | http://img545.imageshack.us/img545/9662/g4z8.png | |
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| 06:51 | gaetan_B | hello |
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| 06:57 | reiveune | hello |
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| 07:09 | paxed | i'm guessing the install process is supposed to create the db schema at some point. koha no worky for me, because for some reason it didn't... |
| 07:21 | magnuse | paxed: that is part of the web based installer - did you get that far? |
| 07:25 | lost_and_unfound | when a koha deployment works with 'NoZebra' and you do a keyword or title search in the web interface, which MySQL table/field does it preform the search on? |
| 07:25 | kivilahtio | BTW paxed is our head programmer here in Joensuu, Finland. And to our amazement installing Koha from source is a BIT difficult. Contradicting installation instructions don't help either. |
| 07:26 | * dcook | is wondering why kivilahtio and paxed are installing from source and not Deb packages |
| 07:27 | kivilahtio | dcook: paxed wanted to vecause he is hard-core. I think it has to do with git and making code commits possible? |
| 07:27 | rangi | you can still do that with packages |
| 07:27 | kivilahtio | rangi: relly? |
| 07:27 | rangi: now that awesome | |
| 07:27 | rangi | yup install with packages |
| 07:27 | magnuse | kivilahtio, paxed: install on debian and use the packages |
| 07:27 | rangi | koha-create |
| 07:27 | wahanui | i heard koha-create was part of the package :) |
| 07:28 | rangi | then just change your koha-conf.xml and corresponding apache conf |
| 07:28 | to point to your git checkout instead | |
| 07:28 | magnuse | or at least run your live install off the packages and use a git/dev install for development/testing |
| 07:28 | kivilahtio | wahanui: so true |
| 07:28 | wahanui | kivilahtio: huh? |
| 07:28 | rangi | course running git on a production server is mental |
| 07:28 | magnuse | ah, never mind me, listen to rangi instead |
| 07:28 | rangi | so dont do that |
| 07:29 | * magnuse | used to do that, but stopped doing it a while ago |
| 07:29 | * rangi | assumed you were talking about a dev install |
| 07:29 | kivilahtio | rangi: dev install indeed |
| 07:29 | rangi | there is even a script that will gitify a package installation for you |
| 07:29 | dcook | https://github.com/mkfifo/koha-gitify |
| 07:29 | magnuse | gitify? |
| 07:29 | wahanui | somebody said gitify was at https://github.com/mkfifo/koha-gitify |
| 07:29 | * dcook | swears that was coincidental timing |
| 07:30 | magnuse | hehe |
| 07:30 | kivilahtio | rangi: ok, paxed will be happy to read these after he returns from lunch |
| 07:30 | * dcook | is a big fan of gitify |
| 07:30 | kivilahtio | gitification sounds epic |
| 07:36 | lost_and_unfound | With NoZebra enabled, what table/field in MySQL is used when doing a search? (koha 3.0.0) |
| 07:47 | magnuse | lost_and_unfound: probably the biblio and biblioitems tables, at least (just guessing, though) |
| 07:47 | paxed | magnuse: no, i never got that far - no idea why localhost:8080 doesn't answer. |
| 07:48 | magnuse | paxed: did you add "Listen 8080" to the apache config? |
| 07:49 | dcook | ^^ |
| 07:49 | magnuse | e.g. /etc/apache2/ports.conf or something like that |
| 07:49 | dcook | Followed by a restart, I believe |
| 07:49 | magnuse | or reload |
| 07:49 | paxed | hm. i was sure i did that, but that must've been one of the previous VMs ... |
| 07:49 | blah | |
| 07:49 | magnuse | easy to forget |
| 07:50 | "This must be filled in correctly for RSS, unAPI, and search plugins to work" - what on earth are "search plugins"? | |
| 07:51 | dcook | Hmm |
| 07:52 | magnuse: What's that description attached to? | |
| 07:52 | I think I've wondered the same thing before | |
| 07:54 | paxed | why is the "Listen 8080" missing from INSTALL? |
| 07:54 | dcook | It could be that someone forgot to add it |
| 07:55 | paxed | also the 1.2 optional foreign lang install won't work as-is. |
| 07:56 | magnuse | dcook: some syspref, let me find it... |
| 07:56 | dcook | paxed: I don't do much multilingual stuff myself, so I don't have a ready answer for you there. What's "1.2 optional foreign lang install"? |
| 07:57 | magnuse | dcook: it's the OPACBaseURL syspref |
| 07:57 | gaetan_B | magnuse: just discovered your marc must die website ! |
| 07:57 | pretty awesome ! | |
| 07:57 | :D | |
| 07:57 | rangi | gaetan_B: have you seen my slide? |
| 07:57 | paxed | dcook: a part in INSTALL-file. |
| 07:57 | gaetan_B | rangi: hmmm no |
| 07:57 | i was looking at bug 10726 | |
| 07:57 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10726 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, sonia.lemaire, Needs Signoff , Default Unimarc framework in accordance with new edition of the Unimarc manual |
| 07:57 | gaetan_B | and crying |
| 07:57 | dcook | magnuse: Mmm, that's why is sounded familiar |
| 07:57 | gaetan_B | when i saw the link |
| 07:58 | rangi: what slide ? | |
| 07:58 | rangi | gaetan_B: http://slid.es/ranginui/oyster |
| 07:58 | hit the right arrow once | |
| 07:58 | :) | |
| 07:58 | if you hit it again, you see the code we can use to escape our MARC prison | |
| 07:59 | cjh | hahaha |
| 07:59 | * magnuse | hopes to submit a patch for bug 10788 this week |
| 07:59 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10788 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, magnus, NEW , Add a Linked Data/RDF browser to the OPAC |
| 07:59 | rangi | awesome |
| 07:59 | dcook | magnuse++ |
| 08:00 | gaetan_B | rangi: ah at first i thought it had to do with the reading app called oyster |
| 08:00 | magnuse | hm, might be wise to save the ++ for when i have actually done it :-) |
| 08:00 | dcook | It's encouragement ;) |
| 08:00 | magnuse | rangi: do you think you will get your marc2rdf into 3.14? |
| 08:00 | dcook | gaetan_B: That was my first thought too. Similar timing. |
| 08:01 | lost_and_unfound | magnuse, thanks, I ran a rebuild_nozebra.pl and it appears to have fixed the issue |
| 08:01 | gaetan_B | when i saw it i thought really hard "how nice it would be if we didn't have to spend time thinking of ways of doing interesting things like clustering with our data, instead of pulling our hair out thinking of ways marking marc work" |
| 08:01 | magnuse | gaetan_B: thanks, but marc-must-die.info has been very inactive for a long time now... |
| 08:01 | lost_and_unfound: yay! | |
| 08:02 | rangi | gaetan_B: exactly |
| 08:02 | gaetan_B | it's ok magnuse, its existence is still reassuring :) |
| 08:02 | rangi | gaetan_B: instead of throwing more money down a hole with RDA, why not do something actually useful for people who use a library |
| 08:02 | jenkins_koha | Starting build #351 for job Koha_3.8.x (previous build: SUCCESS) |
| 08:03 | cjh | go jenkins go |
| 08:03 | gaetan_B | rangi: oh my god don't even talk to me about rda |
| 08:03 | :D | |
| 08:03 | * gaetan_B | puts his fingers in his ears and starts singing loudly |
| 08:03 | dcook | hehe |
| 08:03 | rangi | im covering this in my talk at kohacone |
| 08:03 | -e | |
| 08:03 | well one of my talks | |
| 08:03 | dcook | kohacone! |
| 08:03 | rangi | hehe |
| 08:03 | magnuse | rangi++ |
| 08:03 | dcook | It sounds delicious... |
| 08:04 | gaetan_B | i wrote a very confiused sentence at (10:01:11) , i meant we should be doing clustering of course, but i guess that was clear |
| 08:04 | meanwhile | |
| 08:04 | rangi | the 'Yes, but what have you done for me lately' one |
| 08:04 | magnuse | @quote add <rangi> instead of throwing more money down a hole with RDA, why not do something actually useful for people who use a library |
| 08:04 | huginn` | magnuse: Error: You must be registered to use this command. If you are already registered, you must either identify (using the identify command) or add a hostmask matching your current hostmask (using the "hostmask add" command). |
| 08:04 | * dcook | thinks MJ should have a Koha workshop at Cafe Koha in London : http://www.cafekoha.com/ |
| 08:04 | gaetan_B | i do have to thing of a way of pushing this bug forward, or we will have to suffer working on the frameworks for every customer to get this done |
| 08:05 | * dcook | suspects you might have to suffer anyway |
| 08:05 | dcook | Well, not you necessarily |
| 08:05 | But someone | |
| 08:06 | cjh | dibs not. |
| 08:08 | magnuse | bleargh, why can i never figure out how to identify... |
| 08:08 | * dcook | always figured it was a huginn specific thing |
| 08:11 | * magnuse | discovers http://wiki.perlrdf.org/view/Main_Page |
| 08:15 | lost_and_unfound | thanks for all the help. |
| 08:15 | * lost_and_unfound | waves goodbye |
| 08:20 | paxed | argh. i guess installing to /root/koha-dev as suggested by Makefile.PL wasn't such a good idea. |
| 08:21 | rangi | well running perl Makefile.PL as root isnt a good idea |
| 08:21 | magnuse | huh, does Makefile.PL suggest that? |
| 08:21 | ah... | |
| 08:22 | paxed | well, i'm in a VM which has nothing else on it. |
| 08:22 | but really, it should suggest a path that's not world-readable at least. | |
| 08:22 | shouldn't* | |
| 08:23 | rangi | its going to suggest your homedir, since you are root, thats /root |
| 08:23 | dont run makefiles as root | |
| 08:23 | unless you want stuff owned by root | |
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| 08:31 | magnuse | kia ora kf |
| 08:31 | * dcook | waves to kf |
| 08:35 | kf | dcook: go to bed! ;) |
| 08:35 | kia ora | |
| 08:36 | dcook | Wha? |
| 08:36 | It's only 6:36pm! | |
| 08:36 | I shouldn't be at work but I shouldn't be in bed :p | |
| 08:37 | Just doing some last minute changes to a new template...and thinking there has to be a better way.. | |
| 08:40 | jenkins_koha | Project Koha_3.8.x build #351: SUCCESS in 37 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]b/Koha_3.8.x/351/ |
| 08:40 | * Owen Leonard: Bug 10516 - Improve titles, breadcrumbs, and confirmation messages for Z39.50 server adds and updates | |
| 08:40 | * Katrin Fischer: Bug 10516 - Follow up - Fixing capitalization | |
| 08:40 | * Mirko Tietgen: Bug 10621: use correct from-address for subscription alert emails | |
| 08:40 | * Kenza Zaki: Bug 10644: add unit tests for ClassSource.pm | |
| 08:40 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10516 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Stable , Improve titles, breadcrumbs, and confirmation messages for Z39.50 server adds and updates |
| 08:40 | jenkins_koha | * Galen Charlton: Bug 10644: fix typos in test descriptions |
| 08:40 | * root: Bug 10643: fix inappropriate uses of $sth->finish() in C4::ClassSource.pm | |
| 08:40 | * Galen Charlton: Bug 10644: (follow-up) remove inadvertant dependence on Perl 5.14 | |
| 08:40 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10621 normal, P5 - low, ---, mirko, Pushed to Stable , Subscription alert emails have wrong from-address |
| 08:40 | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10644 normal, P5 - low, ---, kenza.zaki, Pushed to Stable , C4::ClassSource.pm needs unit tests | |
| 08:40 | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10643 normal, P5 - low, ---, kenza.zaki, Pushed to Stable , Inappropriate uses of $sth->finish() in C4::ClassSource.pm | |
| 08:56 | paxed | looks like koha beats me. i can't even successfully install it. |
| 08:58 | kf | how did you try to install it? |
| 08:59 | without more information we can't help | |
| 09:00 | paxed | by following the INSTALL* files. getting 403 when i go to localhost:8080 |
| 09:01 | kf | paxed: which Install files? whch version? which OS? :) |
| 09:01 | and did someone point you to packages? | |
| 09:01 | packages? | |
| 09:01 | wahanui | it has been said that packages is at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Debian |
| 09:05 | paxed | any of the INSTALL files. piecing things together, as every one of them seems to have slightly different instructions. git master. debian |
| 09:06 | magnuse | well, INSTALL.debian should be the one to use then |
| 09:07 | kf | yes, you first have to determine what you want to do |
| 09:07 | rangi | id still do it with packages, then gitify it |
| 09:07 | kf | there are different ways to install koha for different things |
| 09:07 | yeah, that's the easiest | |
| 09:07 | rangi | i mean i could go out and hunt my own food, but i prefer to buy it packaged |
| 09:07 | magnuse | lol |
| 09:08 | dcook | hehe |
| 09:08 | Well said, rangi. | |
| 09:08 | Although I don't think gitify takes into account Zebra differences | |
| 09:09 | paxed | uh-huh. and when/if we'll start using koha, and i'd need to develop something to/for it, i'm sure you'll appreciate me doing patches against a released version. |
| 09:09 | dcook | paxed: That's what gitify is for |
| 09:09 | It allows you to have a package instance pointing at a git repository | |
| 09:09 | Your "kohaclone" | |
| 09:09 | kf | and you would not use your production installation for that :) |
| 09:09 | dcook | ^^ |
| 09:09 | kf | we roll our own packages now as some others do |
| 09:10 | rangi | and you do patches against master, not a released version |
| 09:10 | kf | also that yep |
| 09:10 | magnuse | http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]es_-_The_Easy_Way |
| 09:10 | dcook | I think wizzyrea did a Debian package install in 20 minutes the other day |
| 09:11 | I think my last one was 30 minutes because I got sidetracked by food | |
| 09:11 | rangi | but yep, gitify switches to running from git, but you get the benefit of all the package scripts |
| 09:11 | kf | still have to try out gitify |
| 09:11 | but i will as soon as i get a free minute :) | |
| 09:11 | rangi | theres even a package built from master about 4 hours ago |
| 09:15 | paxed | magnuse: yes |
| 09:15 | oops. sorry. | |
| 09:15 | wrong window and tab | |
| 09:19 | so, you all are suggesting there's no need to follow the install process at all, and go with the packages + gitify instead? | |
| 09:21 | dcook | The packages have their own install process, but it's heaps easier |
| 09:21 | http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]on_Debian_Squeeze | |
| 09:21 | Works on Wheezy too | |
| 09:22 | If you get stumped, people are here to help :) | |
| 09:22 | When I say process, I mean a handful of steps | |
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| 11:39 | drojf | hi #koha |
| 11:42 | any problems in 3.12 that should keep me from upgrading? | |
| 11:45 | woah, what happened to the website? :) | |
| 11:54 | magnuse | moin drojf |
| 11:54 | drojf | hi magnuse |
| 11:55 | magnuse | my customers have been using 3.12.x since 3.12.1 without any complaints (but then they are only using core functions, like circ and cataloguing) |
| 11:55 | drojf: wizzyrea got inspired, i think :-) pretty nice, eh? | |
| 11:55 | drojf | nice. 3.12 it is :) |
| 11:56 | i'll also need to apply less patches manually i think | |
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| 12:19 | oleonard | Hi #koha |
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| 12:30 | oleonard | I finally had an opportunity to install Koha from the packages, and I'm sold. |
| 12:31 | However, I came away wondering why the Debian and Ubuntu package installation instructions are different. | |
| 12:34 | drojf | i just learned you can't checkout a tag that git does not know about because you should rebase once in a while. who would have thought of that. ;) |
| 12:35 | oleonard: my impression is that the debian instructions are all commands you need for the installation if you have any idea of a debian-based system, ubuntu instructions are kind of a really verbose version of that. but i have not looked at the ubuntu instructions in a while | |
| 12:37 | oleonard | I think that's right. I followed the Ubuntu package installation instructions while installing on Debian and found everything to work. |
| 12:37 | ...while the Debian instructions say things like, "Oh, and you might want to install mysql or whatever." | |
| 12:38 | drojf | i used the debian instructions in installation workshops with people that never used linux (at least some of them). i explained a lot about every step though |
| 12:39 | so maybe i made an on-the-fly ubuntu version out of it ;) | |
| 12:39 | kivilahtio | drojf: I can say the packages worked for me using the Ubuntu-guide |
| 12:40 | drojf: You could say "I hit the ground running" | |
| 12:42 | drojf | maybe it would make sense to label them both package instructions then without any hint to a distribution |
| 12:42 | ? | |
| 12:43 | kivilahtio | drojf: nevermind that :) |
| 12:46 | tcohen | drojf: the ubuntu instructions are qa-ed on 12.04 |
| 12:47 | drojf | oleonard: the debian version has the option to install mysql on the same server as opposed to using an external database, which makes sense i think |
| 12:47 | tcohen | they *should* be quite similar |
| 12:47 | morning #koha | |
| 12:47 | drojf | hi tcohen |
| 12:47 | kivilahtio | hi tcohen! |
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| 12:53 | oleonard | Koha already has a problem of too many installation guides. If the package installation guides are different only in their verbosity I would think they should not be labeled as specific to different distros |
| 12:56 | Opinionator away! | |
| 12:56 | * oleonard | flies off |
| 12:56 | flies back | |
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| 12:56 | oleonard | And everyone should like the things I like. |
| 12:56 | * oleonard | flies off again |
| 12:57 | tcohen | i belive we need to think of the target people for those instructions |
| 12:57 | drojf | lol |
| 12:57 | tcohen | and as long as those are maintained... |
| 12:57 | drojf | are they? |
| 12:57 | tcohen | drojf: yes |
| 12:59 | drojf | who is maintainer of the "debian" instructions? |
| 12:59 | tcohen | not me :-D |
| 13:00 | and they are certaintly outdated | |
| 13:00 | drojf | i thought so, that is why i asked :P |
| 13:02 | jcamins | No one really maintains them so far as I am aware. |
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| 13:02 | mtompset | Greetings, #koha. |
| 13:03 | tcohen | hi mtompset |
| 13:03 | mtompset | Greetings, tcohen. :) |
| 13:04 | drojf | 25042 bytes sent in 0.00 secs (15198.9 kB/s) |
| 13:04 | i think that is a lie | |
| 13:04 | kivilahtio | can I ask a question about Koha error recovery? |
| 13:04 | tcohen | it was buffered |
| 13:05 | mtompset | kivilahtio: You can ask anything, but there's no guarantee anyone in the channel at any given time knows the answer. :) |
| 13:05 | drojf | ah, that was the wrong .deb. damn you, 'koha' not 'koha-common'! |
| 13:05 | jcamins | drojf: that's okay, it took zero seconds to download. |
| 13:05 | * mtompset | laughs, "I've made the same kind of mistake before, drojf." |
| 13:05 | drojf | jcamins: true, could have been worse :D |
| 13:06 | much worse if i would have started installing it | |
| 13:06 | kivilahtio | In some occasions I am working with some part of Koha, first time it was with "serials", now it was with "news". I make an action, like save a subscription or save a edited news article. I expect Koha to save my changes, but actually Koha stops responding, and then the browser says "This webpage is not available" for ANY Koha page. After few minutes the problem disappears and Koha continues to perate normally. |
| 13:06 | mtompset | kivilahtio: So, what is your question? Again, I don't promise anything. |
| 13:07 | kivilahtio | is this maybe apache2 related? |
| 13:07 | uncertain if OPAC is hindered o that changes are committed to DB | |
| 13:07 | WHat happens that makes Koha resume operations after a error scenario? | |
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| 13:08 | mtompset | Sounds proxy-ish in nature to me, but I don't know. |
| 13:08 | kivilahtio | no apache errors in log |
| 13:08 | jcamins | kivilahtio: unlike Evergreen, Koha doesn't actually have any server state if you're using a "normal" installation. |
| 13:09 | That sounds like a network issue. | |
| 13:09 | kivilahtio | running Ubuntu 12.04 JeOS virtual server on linuxmint libvirt KVM virtual host |
| 13:09 | Koha ports forwarded and accessing from a remote network | |
| 13:09 | mtompset | kivilahtio: Why are you virtualizing Ubuntu on Mint? |
| 13:09 | kivilahtio | mtompset: For the encapsulation benefits virtualization provides |
| 13:10 | mtompset: secure testing environment, easier performance monitoring | |
| 13:10 | mtompset | Yes, but you can actually install directly to Mint. |
| 13:10 | kivilahtio | I know |
| 13:11 | but we will be running things in virtual containers | |
| 13:11 | mtompset | How much memory did you give your VM? |
| 13:11 | kivilahtio | mtompset: we have had some issues with Evergreen in virtual containers, but the problem has vanished. Possibly related to our virtual framework... hmm |
| 13:11 | 4GB | |
| 13:12 | mtompset | Okay, that isn't the issue. :) |
| 13:12 | kivilahtio | 2x 3.8 GHz core |
| 13:12 | running on SSD :D | |
| 13:12 | mtompset | I've virtualized Koha in a 512MB environment, and it is truly painful. |
| 13:12 | It would generally work, but take forever, and sometimes have timeouts. | |
| 13:13 | But behind the scenes, if I watched the processes, I could see it was still working. | |
| 13:13 | kivilahtio | mtompset: but the virtio network drivers are unoptimized. I think that might be the issue. I'll try to migrate on our real production cluster. |
| 13:13 | jcamins | The fact that everything stops responding after a glitch and there is nothing in the Apache logs tells me that you need to look outside Koha for the problem. |
| 13:13 | kivilahtio | jcamins: roger that |
| 13:14 | tcohen | probably an I/O bottleneck kivilahtio |
| 13:14 | kivilahtio | tcohen: on SSD? |
| 13:14 | * mtompset | nods in agreement. |
| 13:14 | mtompset | Oops... with tcohen and jcamins. |
| 13:14 | kivilahtio | :) |
| 13:14 | it propably is networking related | |
| 13:15 | tcohen | try iotop on a lock scenario |
| 13:15 | mtompset | I/O bottlenecks are not limited to disk, but networking, your VM environment. |
| 13:15 | (and others) | |
| 13:15 | kivilahtio | wow! iotop is kewl, how come I never knew this existed |
| 13:16 | mtompset | I can virtualize Masters of Orion II in VirtualBox or DosBox. There is definitely a speed issue based on how I virutalize. :) |
| 13:17 | jcamins | mtompset: KVM doesn't emulate the CPU. |
| 13:18 | kivilahtio | jcamins: yup, it's pretty fast |
| 13:18 | * druthb | bounces into the room, and flops into her beanbag chair. |
| 13:19 | mtompset | You forgot to flash the ring, druthb. :P |
| 13:19 | jcamins | Though, having said that, I have had problems with port forwarding with every single virtualization technology I have tried. |
| 13:19 | VirtualBox, KVM, LXC. | |
| 13:19 | kivilahtio | jcamins: I am happy to hear it is no because of my incompetence :) |
| 13:19 | jcamins | kivilahtio: the two aren't mutually exclusive. I'm not really a sysadmin. |
| 13:19 | Sorry. ;) | |
| 13:20 | * druthb | waves her arm around, flashing her engagement ring |
| 13:20 | kivilahtio | I was looking into LXC but then decided to take the easy, and presumably more reliable way out, KVM |
| 13:20 | jcamins | What I ended up doing with LXC was proxying with nginx. |
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| 13:23 | kivilahtio | jcamins: sounds like a good idea. |
| 13:23 | native access to eth0 make the difference | |
| 13:24 | tho there is not much non-native with KVM either, when you configure proper drivers | |
| 13:24 | tcohen | either KVM or Xen are mature |
| 13:24 | kivilahtio | tcohen: we had INSANE issues with Xen + Evergreen |
| 13:24 | like ballistic bombastic fantastic. Tho we used the service provided by our IT-support company, so no idea really what they did and on what hardware | |
| 13:25 | jcamins | That surprises me. I thought that ESI used Xen. |
| 13:25 | kivilahtio | jcamins: those issues were most likely network-related |
| 13:25 | no such issues on our own virtualized hardware | |
| 13:26 | virtual guests failing to stop. No way to reboot other than reinstall | |
| 13:26 | sounds incredible to me, and I guess they were doing something wrong. Hence our own hardware | |
| 13:27 | tcohen | we use Xen on a 200+ virtual servers infrastructure |
| 13:27 | and are moving to OpenStack+KVM flawlessly | |
| 13:28 | there are really a lot of little tricks to keep in mind so everything works flawlessly | |
| 13:29 | kivilahtio | tcohen: I can imagine that. I am no sysadmin either |
| 13:29 | tcohen: But luckily our obstacles are smaller | |
| 13:30 | tcohen | i test the 3.12.x branch using VirtualBox on a Core2Duo with 4GB RAM |
| 13:30 | i mean, it works | |
| 13:31 | mtompset | jcamins: That -> vs :: thing I mentioned last night, what would you call it? I'm going to file a bug report. |
| 13:31 | jcamins | "Incorrect calling convention" |
| 13:32 | mtompset | Something more vulgar was coming to my mind. :) |
| 13:32 | kivilahtio | btw setting the "creation_date" in "news -> edit/create" displays 02/00/0 when I set the date to 08/11/1940, should I file a bug? |
| 13:35 | mtompset | "Incorrect calling conventions accessing C4::Context"? |
| 13:35 | jcamins | That works. |
| 13:35 | kivilahtio: yes. | |
| 13:35 | kivilahtio | mysql database value is "opac_news.timestamp = 0000-00-00 00:00:00" |
| 13:35 | O-ou, looks like trouble | |
| 13:36 | jcamins | kivilahtio: yeah, 02/00/0 is the "uh-oh there is no valid date." |
| 13:37 | oleonard | I can confirm in master |
| 13:37 | kivilahtio | I mean this is really insignificant issue for us. I just tested this news thing with some old war-time speeches. |
| 13:38 | but I'll file it | |
| 13:42 | drojf | when i get 3.12.04 from git and build a package, does it come with the right translation files or do i have to download and update them manually? |
| 13:44 | jcamins | drojf: if you check out the tag, it has the files. |
| 13:44 | drojf | yay! magic :) |
| 13:45 | mtompset | Well, if we are playing the "let's compare testing environments" game. I virtualize Koha under Ubuntu with 2GB RAM, 32GB Drive space using VirtualBox on a 32GB RAM Windows 7 Ultimate Box running an i7-3770. :P |
| 13:47 | Though, if you want to hear about virtualization problems... vserver. Enough said. | |
| 13:50 | * mtompset | cries about the pains our QA and production server have because the virtualization technology is so archaic. |
| 13:55 | kivilahtio | mtompset: you are using win7... I heard Win7 is good for... well... surfing the net ;) But 32GB RAM is pretty nice :D how do you spend it all? |
| 13:55 | drojf | friends don't let friends surf the web with win7 :P |
| 13:55 | jcamins | I have VMs of Windows XP, Windows 7, and Windows 8. |
| 13:56 | And Windows Server 2012. | |
| 13:56 | mtompset | I sometimes run many VMs. That was the point of the memory. |
| 13:56 | jcamins | Every time I have to boot one, a part of me dies. |
| 13:56 | kivilahtio | drojf: ++ |
| 14:01 | mtompset | There is a time and place for everything: even Windows 7. :P |
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| 14:09 | druthb | win7 is *way* better than Vista. Turn off the desktop gadgetry, and install Chrome, and you almost have a decent machine. |
| 14:12 | jcamins | druthb: yeah... fastest way to get an Ubuntu or Mint CD! |
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| 14:13 | druthb | I would throw Windows overboard, but there are a couple of games I have that just *won't* run in Wine. |
| 14:14 | mtompset | Some people don't have time to figure out how to configure Wine either. |
| 14:15 | kivilahtio | Quite frankly I find Win7 to be an excellent entertainment platform. I have it back home after getting bored to the lack of availability of Linux games. |
| 14:15 | * jcamins | isn't quite sure of what this thing of which you speak is. |
| 14:15 | kivilahtio | I don't like the thing one bit but I don't see an alternative for my current lifestyle |
| 14:16 | mtompset | Let's not call windows-use a lifestyle. :P |
| 14:16 | kivilahtio | jcamins: hardware support for more "exotic" sound cards for ex |
| 14:16 | jcamins | kivilahtio: I meant "game." :P |
| 14:16 | kivilahtio | mtompset: :) |
| 14:19 | mtompset | You can't push back to @_ what you have shift'd off, right? |
| 14:20 | jcamins | mtompset: what are you trying to do? |
| 14:20 | mtompset | something the wrong way... :P -- best way to check for an object? |
| 14:20 | jcamins | What are you trying to do? |
| 14:21 | mtompset | :: vs -> check. |
| 14:21 | jcamins | I think you need to rethink what you're trying to do. |
| 14:22 | mtompset | Let's put it this way... I saw some code that just added a shift. |
| 14:22 | That's just plain wrong. | |
| 14:22 | jcamins | Why? |
| 14:22 | I think maybe you need to take a step back and figure out what you're trying to do. | |
| 14:22 | mtompset | What if you miss fixing a reference? |
| 14:23 | jcamins | Then it's still broken. |
| 14:23 | mtompset | No, it would have worked (because it was wrong before), but now is broken (because it is right now) |
| 14:24 | jcamins | Half the calls are currently wrong. Half are write. |
| 14:24 | mtompset | functions takes ::, have two calls :: and ->. One is broken. function takes ->, other one is now broken. |
| 14:25 | So, checking if you should shift, keep code that was working still working, even though it should be fixed. | |
| 14:26 | You don't break what is working. | |
| 14:26 | jcamins | I have no objection to keeping it working when called incorrectly, but you still need to think about your approach, and answer the question "is there a way to do this that will not result in obtuse code"? |
| 14:27 | mtompset | right, which is why "shift" is not the best answer. |
| 14:27 | jcamins | s/"\?/?"/ |
| 14:27 | mtompset | You need to check if the first parameter is an object. |
| 14:28 | jcamins | Yes! That is *exactly* what you need to do. |
| 14:29 | The sentence you just said includes the answer to your question. | |
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| 14:31 | kf | tcohen: hm tanslate.koha-community.org is quite slow - all translators busy? |
| 14:31 | mtompset | Yes, which is why I changed my question to how to change for an object. :P |
| 14:31 | check for an object. :P | |
| 14:32 | jcamins | Except that's not what you want to do, is it? |
| 14:32 | mtompset | my $self = shift if (<check>); |
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| 14:33 | jcamins | C4::Context isn't actually object-oriented. It's called as C4::Context-> rather than $context->. |
| 14:33 | Which means that you actually want to check for... ? | |
| 14:34 | Actually, better way to figure this out: add a new method to C4::Context and use Data::Dumper to inspect the results when you call it the two different ways. | |
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| 14:35 | mtompset | well, three ways... |
| 14:35 | try to treat C4::Context as an object. | |
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| 14:39 | Joubu | mtompset: not sure to understand what you want (did not follow the discussion). But if it is about static vs class method, I got the same problem short time ago |
| 14:39 | mtompset: first patch from bug 10855 | |
| 14:39 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10855 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , Additional fields for subscriptions |
| 14:41 | Joubu | +sub all { |
| 14:41 | + my ( $class, $args ) = @_; | |
| 14:41 | + die "BAD CALL: Don't use fetch_all_values as a static method" | |
| 14:41 | + if ref $class and UNIVERSAL::can($class,'can'); | |
| 14:41 | (Except the bad c/p) Here I did want a call like $obj->all. only Class::all is allowed | |
| 14:41 | s/did/didn't | |
| 14:41 | mtompset | C4::Context::set_userenv vs. C4::Context->set_userenv vs. $obj=C4::Context->new; $obj->set_userenv |
| 14:47 | kivilahtio | speaking of code. Are you using some proper debuggers for your work? Like Eclipse? |
| 14:48 | I haven't looked at integrating a debugger to Koha yet | |
| 14:48 | jcamins | kivilahtio: just warn and nerves of steel. |
| 14:48 | kivilahtio | And quite frnakly not sure how we ll debugging CGI-scripts work, after plack |
| 14:49 | yeah, atlest with Koha you don't have to restart Evergreen services to make your code changes happen | |
| 14:49 | not that I have anything against plack | |
| 14:49 | I just have a gut feeling that there has to be a apache2 script debugger. Atleast Komodo IDE should have one | |
| 14:50 | jcamins | I am sure there is. I just don't use it. |
| 14:50 | mtompset | GAH! That is a horribly huge object. |
| 14:50 | kivilahtio | mtompset: I guess it is properly documented somewhere? |
| 14:50 | mtompset | it? what? |
| 14:50 | wahanui | hmmm... it is changing a default behaviour |
| 14:51 | mtompset | wahanui: forget it |
| 14:51 | wahanui | mtompset: I forgot it |
| 14:51 | kf | gmcharlt++ |
| 14:51 | kivilahtio | mtompset: C4::Context |
| 14:51 | wahanui | it has been said that C4::Context is not very efficient, but the bigger issue is the overall load time. |
| 14:52 | mtompset | Hmmm... mostly? |
| 14:52 | Perl POD stuff in the code. | |
| 14:53 | kivilahtio | http://docs.activestate.com/ko[…].0/debugperl.html |
| 14:54 | Komodo IDE is only 300€ but it is the best Perl Ide out there. Definetely has been a lot of help when doing my data migration scripts | |
| 14:54 | 300€ a year :D | |
| 14:55 | http://www.epic-ide.org/guide/ch06s02.php | |
| 14:55 | Also Eclipse EPIC seems to have some support for CGI debugging | |
| 14:59 | kf | kivilahtio: that's a lot |
| 15:01 | kivilahtio | kf: So true, but I had to buy it for the data migration work. Impossible to trace issues in huge datasets without a proper compiler. Eclipse started freezing and crashing under large datasets, like arrays and hashes |
| 15:01 | ..."without a proper debugger". | |
| 15:02 | mtompset | jcamins: Actually 6 test cases... with and without parameters passed. |
| 15:02 | I believe I have the monstrosity figured out for my check. | |
| 15:02 | kivilahtio | anyway time for me to go home |
| 15:02 | mtompset | Take care. :) |
| 15:02 | kivilahtio | thanks for being here #Koha! |
| 15:02 | * druthb | perks at "data migration work" and notes that a million-plus bib library can be converted using plain ol' perl, with some CPAN helpers. Been there, done that. |
| 15:03 | mtompset | data migration work? where? |
| 15:03 | kivilahtio | here |
| 15:03 | we have a Ingres DB, which has like 300+ tables, each labeled with 8 characters | |
| 15:03 | druthb | mtompset: My last job was as a migration specialist for ByWater. |
| 15:04 | kivilahtio | each colum nlabeledwith 8 characters. Nad I have been trying to figure out our data from there for a loooong long time. |
| 15:04 | druthb | ew. Messy. |
| 15:04 | kivilahtio | 0 help from our current ILS provider and 0 help from our municipal department |
| 15:04 | mtompset | Ah... I wasn't paying attention, I was writing tests BEFORE coding... In this case, it was really necessary. |
| 15:04 | kivilahtio | municipal IT-support company which administers this server" |
| 15:05 | gaetan_B | bye ! |
| 15:05 | kivilahtio | well I am not going to get started about the challenges at the start of this project :D |
| 15:06 | sleep tight | |
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| 15:06 | mtompset | And here is the one liner that I believe I will use: |
| 15:06 | my $self = shift @_ if ($_[0] && ($_[0] eq 'C4::Context' || $_[0] eq 'C4::Context')); | |
| 15:07 | kivilahtio | mtompset: Remeber to DOCUMENT properly! |
| 15:07 | mtompset | Oops. ref() |
| 15:07 | reiveune | bye |
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| 15:07 | mtompset | my $self = shift @_ if ($_[0] && ($_[0] eq 'C4::Context' || ref($_[0]) eq 'C4::Context')); |
| 15:08 | jcamins | Perfect. |
| 15:08 | wahanui | i think perfect is the enemy of good |
| 15:10 | mtompset | The first part of the || catches the C4::Context-> call, the second part catches the $context-> call. |
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| 15:30 | drojf | and that was a smooth upgrade from 3.8.x to 3.12.4 |
| 15:30 | koha++ | |
| 15:33 | jenkins_koha | Starting build #1423 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS) |
| 15:35 | huginn` | New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 7639: DBRev 3.13.00.020 <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]738e89acd2294369d> / Bug 7639: (follow-up) add Unit Tests <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]e9dfae88ef0962ef7> / Bug 7639: QA Followup - Fix update description <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]6014965f32134a0e4 |
| 15:44 | jenkins_koha | Starting build #105 for job master_maria (previous build: SUCCESS) |
| 15:44 | drojf | roadmap? |
| 15:44 | roadmap 3.14? | |
| 15:44 | hm | |
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| 15:46 | slef | drojf: the infobot hates you |
| 15:47 | drojf | slef: obviously :( |
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| 15:49 | jcamins | roadmap for 3.14? |
| 15:49 | schedule for 3.14? | |
| 15:49 | release schedule? | |
| 15:49 | wahanui | i guess release schedule is http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]gmcharlt#Timeline |
| 15:51 | slef | mtompset: what did you want to know about kohacon funding? |
| 15:53 | mtompset | YAY! |
| 15:53 | Okay... | |
| 15:54 | Most of the proposals tend to have no registration fee, so who pays for rooms, who pays for halls, who pays everything, and how are those funds raised? | |
| 15:54 | jcamins | The people staying in the rooms pay for them, and the rest is donated. |
| 15:54 | mtompset | Seeing as you were involved in hosting one, I thought you'd be able to give some good ideas. :) |
| 15:55 | slef | our costs were split between sponsors and the co-op |
| 15:55 | we raised the funds by emailing lots of people and inviting donations on the conference pages | |
| 15:55 | I suspect it's still there... 1mo | |
| 15:56 | http://koha-community.org/kohacon12/sponsors/ | |
| 15:56 | wahanui | http://koha-community.org/kohacon12/sponsors/ is the website presentation |
| 15:56 | slef | no |
| 15:56 | http://koha-community.org/koha[…]soring-kohacon12/ | |
| 15:56 | jcamins | Oh, that reminds me. I got an e-mail from Nancy. |
| 15:57 | slef | jcamins: I'm jealous ;) |
| 15:57 | * drojf | heads home |
| 15:58 | slef | wahanui: forget http://koha-community.org/kohacon12/sponsors/ |
| 15:58 | wahanui | slef: I forgot http://koha-community.org/kohacon12/sponsors/ |
| 15:58 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10856 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , Improve the previous and next items on the shelf browser |
| 16:02 | mtompset | Okay, that's sponsorship, but what about speakers? |
| 16:03 | slef | What about them? |
| 16:03 | jcamins | Whoever volunteers and has their talk approved gets to speak. |
| 16:03 | I think this translates to almost everyone who wants to speaking. | |
| 16:04 | mtompset | The hosts approve the speakers (which is generally everyone)? |
| 16:04 | slef | http://koha-community.org/kohacon12/call-papers/ |
| 16:04 | wahanui | i think http://koha-community.org/kohacon12/call-papers/ is posted, please get submitting if it works for you! |
| 16:04 | slef | kf wrote that |
| 16:04 | we had a review board | |
| 16:04 | I think we turned down maybe 2 or 3 talks | |
| 16:05 | and encouraged 2 sets of 2 where the speakers were from the same institutions to merge (which didn't matter in at least one case where they didn't show up) | |
| 16:05 | oleonard | slef: You had someone fail to show up to give the talk they signed up to do? |
| 16:06 | slef | oleonard: yes |
| 16:06 | mtompset: http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]aCon12_Volunteers may be more useful | |
| 16:06 | * oleonard | hopes they had a good reason |
| 16:06 | slef | oleonard: bosses refused to fund, late. |
| 16:08 | mtompset: aha, review board was kf thd-away jcamins and me | |
| 16:09 | mtompset: I think rangi Brooke and rafael did a few each | |
| 16:09 | by email as our meeting times didn't work for them | |
| 16:10 | mtompset | So, any other related advice on creating a proposal and hosting? |
| 16:10 | jcamins | Involve the community. |
| 16:10 | mtompset | I know my Filipino colleague is dreaming of potentially hosting. |
| 16:10 | slef | jcamins++ |
| 16:11 | I think if you're running it as a single-track conference, you really want a core team of at least 6, ideally with 2 staying near the venue >1 week ahead. | |
| 16:11 | 6 with 2 super-substitutes. | |
| 16:12 | I'm trying to remember who did what... I was a bit overloaded | |
| 16:13 | Try to avoid paypal if you can. If you must use them, get the money out as fast as you can and don't let them have debit access to your bank account. | |
| 16:13 | rambutan | <unsolicited opinion>We used to pay big dollars for the Sirsi Superconference. I think the community should consider a nominal charge for Kohacon attendance |
| 16:14 | slef | Yeah, that was one strong feedback... there should be a paid ticket option, as well as the free tickets. |
| 16:14 | mtompset | So, involving the community would include asking for assistance on the mailing lists? |
| 16:14 | rambutan | say $100 USD or something to cover the costs of snacks, et al |
| 16:14 | mtompset | how would a paid ticket option work vs. a free ticket option? |
| 16:14 | slef | Librarians can buy paid conference tickets, but can't sponsor things. |
| 16:15 | rambutan | The problem with donations is that some libraries, like ours probably, would simply adopt the attitude that "why pay for something that's free?" |
| 16:15 | No sense of altruism when dealing with tax dollars | |
| 16:15 | slef | mtompset: I'd suggest calling the paid tickets "regular" or similar, maybe with "premium" and calling the free tickets "lite". I don't think I would specify what the difference is (if any). |
| 16:15 | rambutan | but we understand (again, tnx to Sirsi) conference attendance fees |
| 16:16 | slef | rambutan: it's worse than that. Some libraries are charitable and cannot donate to non-charity projects. |
| 16:16 | rambutan | yep, understand that too |
| 16:17 | mtompset | slef: Wouldn't it be easier to just have a paid ticket option period? |
| 16:17 | Did the speakers speak for free or for some kind of honorarium? | |
| 16:18 | rambutan | I doubt that any modest attendance fees could cover a reasonably number of speaker fees if they're charging customary rates |
| 16:19 | slef | mtompset: easier, yes, but then you start to exclude people, like the smaller charity and soc.ent. libraries that have been the backbone of koha in England. |
| 16:19 | jcamins | Free. |
| 16:19 | slef | mtompset: for free. |
| 16:19 | jcamins | I feel like if you paid speakers you'd lose all the core speakers. |
| 16:19 | mtompset | -- with the knowledge that speaking is good PR. :) |
| 16:20 | jcamins | Core developers, rather. |
| 16:20 | slef | not sure that's true in my case ;) but I had something to say |
| 16:20 | rambutan | what is customary where I've done presentations is to waive conference attendance fees for speakers/presenters |
| 16:21 | slef | rambutan: true, we did that ;) |
| 16:21 | mtompset | you're probably right. The idea that Koha is FOSS is a little contradictory to expecting payment for speaking. :) |
| 16:21 | jcamins | slef: granted, I dislike speaking, but I'd be less likely to speak if I were getting paid an insulting amount- the fee provides no benefit to me, but is taking away from potentially doing something useful. |
| 16:22 | slef | well it depends... we paid the singer |
| 16:22 | rambutan | I would think that Linus gets paid for speaking? :) |
| 16:22 | slef | rambutan: I would think that Linus is another big mouth ;) |
| 16:22 | * mtompset | chuckles. |
| 16:23 | rambutan | ah, oh, ok |
| 16:23 | mtompset | Well, it's lunch, and I promised to take my family out for lunch, so I better go. |
| 16:23 | But thank you for some more insights and thoughts on this. I am really hoping my colleague is able to assemble something. | |
| 16:24 | Philippines 2015, perhaps? :) | |
| 16:25 | And depending on how quickly my wife gets her Canadian Citizenship, maybe I could be there. :) | |
| 16:25 | Have a great day, #koha. | |
| 16:25 | slef++ # thank you. :) | |
| 16:26 | slef | ttfn... |
| 16:26 | I wonder what Canadian Citizenship has to do with it | |
| 16:28 | jcamins | slef: she can't leave the country until it's been established. |
| 16:29 | slef | ow |
| 16:29 | rambutan | OK, I'm confused. Where is mtompset physically present at the moment? |
| 16:29 | slef | I hate how we're divide-and-conquered. |
| 16:29 | jcamins | Canada. |
| 16:29 | rambutan | ah, ok |
| 16:30 | slef | http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]/User:M._Tompsett |
| 16:30 | jcamins | And he can't leave. |
| 16:31 | Well- probably he could. But visiting your wife's hometown and leaving her with the kids seems cruel. | |
| 16:31 | slef | hehehehe |
| 16:31 | I've done that, except no kids. | |
| 16:32 | jenkins_koha | Project master_maria build #105: FAILURE in 47 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]master_maria/105/ |
| 16:32 | * Meenakshi.R: Bug 7639: add option to forgive overdue fines when declaring items lost | |
| 16:32 | * Kyle M Hall: Bug 7639 - system preference to forgive fines on lost items - QA Followup | |
| 16:32 | * Paul Poulain: Bug 7639: tiny QA follow-up | |
| 16:32 | * Kyle M Hall: Bug 7639: QA Followup - Fix update description | |
| 16:32 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7639 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Pushed to Master , system preference to forgive fines on lost items |
| 16:32 | jenkins_koha | * Kyle M Hall: Bug 7639: (follow-up) add Unit Tests |
| 16:32 | * Galen Charlton: Bug 7639: DBRev 3.13.00.020 | |
| 16:37 | oleonard | slef: divide-and-conquered? |
| 16:37 | slef | oleonard: split up into countries and told we can't move around freely |
| 16:38 | or areas, rather than countries | |
| 16:38 | gmcharlt | as opposed to capital, which has nary a bother at most borfders |
| 16:38 | slef | as there's mutual movement around most of Europe |
| 16:38 | oleonard | slef: If we didn't have border controls when would the government have opportunities to search our laptops? |
| 16:38 | slef | oleonard: :,D |
| 16:39 | (crying and laughing0 | |
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| 16:40 | tcohen | oleonard: what do the 'Esc' key do for the upload modal? abort upload? nothing? |
| 16:40 | oleonard | tcohen: Ideally it should be impossible to close the modal while the upload is in progress |
| 16:40 | tcohen: Is it even possible to abort the upload? | |
| 16:41 | tcohen | no |
| 16:41 | was thinking if disabling 'Esc' was the best solution | |
| 16:44 | jenkins_koha | Starting build #106 for job master_maria (previous build: FAILURE -- last SUCCESS #104 20 hr ago) |
| 16:45 | huginn` | New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 10897: remove test for module that has become DB-dependent <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]a65d998287f0902dc> |
| 16:45 | oleonard | tcohen: There is a built in option for that |
| 16:45 | tcohen | i know |
| 16:46 | what i ws thinking is if we should allow cancelling the upload | |
| 17:05 | jenkins_koha | Project Koha_master build #1423: FAILURE in 1 hr 32 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]Koha_master/1423/ |
| 17:05 | * Meenakshi.R: Bug 7639: add option to forgive overdue fines when declaring items lost | |
| 17:05 | * Kyle M Hall: Bug 7639 - system preference to forgive fines on lost items - QA Followup | |
| 17:05 | * Paul Poulain: Bug 7639: tiny QA follow-up | |
| 17:05 | * Kyle M Hall: Bug 7639: QA Followup - Fix update description | |
| 17:05 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7639 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Pushed to Master , system preference to forgive fines on lost items |
| 17:05 | jenkins_koha | * Kyle M Hall: Bug 7639: (follow-up) add Unit Tests |
| 17:05 | * Galen Charlton: Bug 7639: DBRev 3.13.00.020 | |
| 17:06 | Starting build #1424 for job Koha_master (previous build: FAILURE -- last SUCCESS #1422 20 hr ago) | |
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| 17:28 | jenkins_koha | Yippie, build fixed! |
| 17:28 | Project master_maria build #106: FIXED in 43 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]master_maria/106/ | |
| 17:28 | Galen Charlton: Bug 10897: remove test for module that has become DB-dependent | |
| 17:28 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10897 major, P2, ---, gmcharlt, Pushed to Master , t/ILSDI_Services.t is db dependent |
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| 17:39 | slef | @marc 952 |
| 17:39 | huginn` | slef: unknown tag 952 |
| 17:39 | wahanui | The 952 field is used by Koha to store item data in MARC21 and is described at http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]_fields_%289xx%29 |
| 17:42 | jcamins | Mmm. First fresh bread in months. |
| 17:43 | oleonard | Just now cool enough jcamins? |
| 17:43 | jcamins | oleonard: yup. |
| 17:43 | In fact, it's downright chilly this week. Glorious. | |
| 17:44 | @wunder 11375 | |
| 17:44 | huginn` | jcamins: The current temperature in Glendale, Glendale, New York is 17.5°C (1:42 PM EDT on September 17, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 40%. Dew Point: 4.0°C. Pressure: 30.41 in 1030 hPa (Falling). |
| 17:44 | oleonard | @wunder 45701 |
| 17:44 | huginn` | oleonard: The current temperature in OHDOT 31-Athens County Garage, Athens, Ohio is 21.7°C (1:01 PM EDT on September 17, 2013). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 52%. Dew Point: 12.0°C. Pressure: 30.31 in 1026 hPa (Rising). |
| 17:44 | jcamins | At least, chilly compared to what it has been. |
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| 17:55 | magnuse | @wunder boo |
| 17:55 | huginn` | magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 16.0°C (7:20 PM CEST on September 17, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 63%. Dew Point: 9.0°C. Pressure: 29.53 in 1000 hPa (Steady). |
| 17:55 | magnuse | not bad, not bad at all |
| 17:55 | jcamins | magnuse: are you baking bread? |
| 17:56 | magnuse | nope, it's been a loong time since last time i did |
| 17:56 | and i kind of took a break from reading the "artisan bread in 5 minutes" book | |
| 17:56 | jcamins | Aww. |
| 17:57 | It's so easy! | |
| 17:57 | magnuse | well, other books got in the way |
| 17:57 | the last 3-4 weeks have been intensely busy | |
| 17:57 | maybe i should prioritize baking now that things are calming down a bit | |
| 17:58 | jcamins | I haven't actually read through the entire thing. I just looked up a recipe, threw a bunch of ingredients into a pail, and called it a success. :) |
| 17:58 | magnuse | hehe |
| 18:02 | jcamins | I just made rye bread out of that book. |
| 18:02 | Well... | |
| 18:02 | I made rye bread inspired by that book. | |
| 18:02 | Well... | |
| 18:02 | I was inspired to make rye bread, and opened that book. | |
| 18:02 | ^^ there we go | |
| 18:03 | kf | bye all |
| 18:03 | tcohen | kf |
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| 18:03 | magnuse | jcamins: lol |
| 18:04 | tcohen | what does "tracing links" stand for? (like in "the tracing links produced in the OPAC fail in XSLT mode") |
| 18:04 | jcamins | subject tracings. |
| 18:05 | I think. | |
| 18:05 | tcohen | tracing == browsing? |
| 18:05 | jcamins | The links to see other books with the same subjects. |
| 18:06 | magnuse | unless it is a typo for "tracking links"? |
| 18:06 | tcohen | ok, the action of tracing is following those links |
| 18:06 | * tcohen | is learning english, sorry #koha |
| 18:06 | magnuse | tcohen++ |
| 18:07 | * magnuse | is unsure of the meaning of tracing in that context too |
| 18:08 | jcamins | magnuse: ooh, it could be a typo for "tracking." |
| 18:08 | tcohen: do you have more context? Now I'm unsure. | |
| 18:08 | tcohen | i've just found a bug with XSLT links to authorities |
| 18:08 | http://bmayor.biblio.unc.edu.a[…]biblionumber=3608 | |
| 18:09 | its trivial, just need to know how to descrie the problem | |
| 18:09 | similar bugs talk about "tracing links" | |
| 18:09 | magnuse | ...as in bug 8917 |
| 18:09 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8917 new feature, P5 - low, ---, chris, Pushed to Master , Track clicks to links external to Koha |
| 18:09 | magnuse | nah, i'm afraid i'm just muddying the waters |
| 18:10 | tcohen | http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9563 |
| 18:10 | huginn` | 04Bug 9563: normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , Author links don't generate correct search query url for UseAuthoritesForTracings |
| 18:10 | tcohen | context of the question would be UseAuthoritesForTracings |
| 18:10 | jcamins | Odd. |
| 18:11 | I wonder how the quotation marks got there. | |
| 18:11 | tcohen | not sure, how would you describe the problem in a bug jcamins? |
| 18:11 | jcamins | "Author tracings incorrect when UseAuthoritiesForTracings is turned on" |
| 18:21 | tcohen | i *might* have taken you literally |
| 18:21 | heh: bug 10905 | |
| 18:21 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10905 minor, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Needs Signoff , Author tracings incorrect when UseAuthoritiesForTracings is turned on |
| 18:21 | * jcamins | noticed. :P |
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| 18:34 | magnuse | moin drojf and cait |
| 18:34 | cait | moin? :) |
| 18:34 | tcohen | cait: 10691 |
| 18:35 | * magnuse | tries to catch two flies with one greeting (norwegianism suspected) |
| 18:36 | drojf | hei magnuse. moin works all day for me :) |
| 18:37 | druthb | drojf! cait! magnuse! |
| 18:37 | drojf | druthb! |
| 18:37 | cait | druthb! drojf! magnuse! |
| 18:37 | * druthb | flashes her shiny engagement ring again. |
| 18:37 | cait | hehe |
| 18:37 | drojf | huh what? |
| 18:38 | oleonard | huh what? |
| 18:38 | cait | engagement... i will have to lok that up |
| 18:38 | :P | |
| 18:38 | druthb | LOL |
| 18:38 | https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akam[…]_1328948159_n.jpg | |
| 18:39 | jenkins_koha | Yippie, build fixed! |
| 18:39 | Project Koha_master build #1424: FIXED in 1 hr 32 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]Koha_master/1424/ | |
| 18:39 | Galen Charlton: Bug 10897: remove test for module that has become DB-dependent | |
| 18:39 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10897 major, P2, ---, gmcharlt, Pushed to Master , t/ILSDI_Services.t is db dependent |
| 18:39 | drojf | druthb: i do non-koha things for a few days and you got nothing better to do than getting engaged? :P |
| 18:39 | magnuse | druthb! |
| 18:40 | wahanui | Well, she finally snapped, like we all knew she would. |
| 18:40 | druthb | :D |
| 18:40 | drojf | druthb: congratulations :) |
| 18:40 | magnuse | yeah, huge congrats to druthb! |
| 18:41 | jcamins | drojf: I have a question for you. When using bcrypt for hashing passwords, do you want to use the same hash on every run or is it reasonable to generate a new hash each session? |
| 18:41 | druthb | thanks, drojf n magnuse. Raychel and I are kinda amped about it. |
| 18:41 | magnuse | :-) |
| 18:42 | * cait | apologizes for breaking the packages |
| 18:43 | drojf | jcamins: you must confuse me with somebody who knows a lot about crypto :) |
| 18:43 | jcamins | drojf: I meant new salt, not new hash. |
| 18:43 | drojf: you're interested in privacy and security. You should know these things. | |
| 18:44 | drojf | jcamins: i would if i had more time :) |
| 18:44 | * magnuse | wishes there was a way to put the alpha subfields before the numerical ones |
| 18:47 | magnuse | cait: you broke the packages? |
| 18:50 | cait | yep |
| 18:50 | :( | |
| 18:51 | magnuse | how? |
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| 18:55 | mtompset | Greetings, #koha. |
| 18:56 | druthb | hi, mtompset |
| 18:56 | mtompset | I think the QA Sprint Day topic should be changed by now. Though, I suppose QA folks never stop running. *cheers for QA folks* |
| 18:56 | jcamins | mtompset: no one can seem to change it. |
| 18:56 | mtompset | Greetings, druthb. |
| 18:56 | Oh. Well, I didn't know someone tried. :( | |
| 18:57 | * druthb | blames jcamins. |
| 18:57 | * magnuse | blames druthb |
| 18:57 | * druthb | takes the blame, and offers cookies. |
| 18:57 | magnuse | yay! |
| 18:57 | * jcamins | takes the cookies, and offers rye bread. |
| 18:58 | * magnuse | takes the rye bread and offers dried cod (stockfish) |
| 18:58 | mtompset | No, no, druthb. "Blame Canada!" (http://youtu.be/bOR38552MJA) |
| 18:58 | magnuse | what does the fox say to that? |
| 18:58 | what does the fox say? | |
| 18:58 | wahanui | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jofNR_WkoCE |
| 18:58 | * drojf | takes the dried cod and offers a flu |
| 18:59 | * magnuse | declines the offer in the nicest way he can think of |
| 18:59 | jcamins | magnuse: oh, speaking of which, What does the fox say? has made it to the level of major Internet meme. |
| 18:59 | magnuse | moahahaha |
| 18:59 | drojf | magnuse: you mean "get the hell away from me with that thing!!!" ? |
| 18:59 | magnuse | jcamins: how can you tell? |
| 18:59 | jcamins | Let me find it. |
| 18:59 | cait | magnuse++ |
| 18:59 | magnuse | oh by the way: http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]bug_squashing_day |
| 19:00 | be there or be square! | |
| 19:00 | cait | yay! |
| 19:01 | magnuse | be there or i will rickroll you with "what does the fox say" |
| 19:02 | jcamins | magnuse: still looking. |
| 19:02 | magnuse | oh here is "the fox" played by a huge american marching band: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MzETQCYW3GY |
| 19:03 | jcamins | magnuse: here we go. http://waltzy.tumblr.com/post/[…]x-new-fox-promo-x |
| 19:03 | It is being used to mock low-quality American TV channels. | |
| 19:04 | magnuse | ah, fox channel? heh! |
| 19:05 | ooh, jenkins has wall displays? | |
| 19:06 | drojf | what the fox did i just watch? |
| 19:06 | magnuse | drojf: not sure i want to know? ;-) |
| 19:07 | jcamins | drojf: clips from all of Fox channel's TV shows cut together to sync them against "What does the fox say?"? |
| 19:10 | Topic for #koha is now Welcome to #koha this channel is for discussion of the Koha project and software http://koha-community.org. Next general IRC meeting 9th October, 10:00 UTC | |
| 19:10 | * mtompset | cheers for oleonard! |
| 19:10 | drojf | jcamins magnuse no i meant the "official" fox video. i had seen the link here but not tried it yet |
| 19:11 | jcamins | Bwahahahahahaha!!!! |
| 19:11 | drojf | the fox clips did not make it better though |
| 19:11 | jcamins | Who said anything about better? |
| 19:11 | I said it had become a true cultural meme. | |
| 19:11 | drojf | i love how i watch something for the first time that has 33 million views on youtube. my filter bubble works :P |
| 19:12 | magnuse | hehe |
| 19:12 | drojf | well kind of works, i watched it in the end |
| 19:12 | :P | |
| 19:12 | magnuse | lol |
| 19:14 | jenkins_koha | Starting build #17 for job Koha_Docs_3.12.x (previous build: SUCCESS) |
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| 19:14 | Nicole C. Engard: reoder librarything prefs | |
| 19:15 | oleonard | I always try to wait at least until after a marching band has performed it to watch the latest thing on YouTube. |
| 19:15 | magnuse | oleonard: good idea, probably |
| 19:16 | hm, do we have to kind of starting thinking about roles for 3.14++ soonish? | |
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| 19:16 | * Nicole C. Engard: reoder librarything prefs | |
| 19:16 | * Nicole C. Engard: update OPACDisplay856uAsImage to be clearer | |
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| 19:16 | * Nicole C. Engard: reoder librarything prefs | |
| 19:16 | * Nicole C. Engard: update OPACDisplay856uAsImage to be clearer | |
| 19:18 | tcohen | bye #koha |
| 19:18 | magnuse | bye tcohen |
| 19:21 | mtompset | What's the best way to compare two data structures in perl? |
| 19:21 | jcamins | In a unit test? |
| 19:21 | Test::Deep. | |
| 19:21 | In other contexts? It depends. | |
| 19:25 | How long are we making random passwords now? | |
| 19:26 | 16 characters. | |
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| 19:29 | Nicole C. Engard: update OPACDisplay856uAsImage to be clearer | |
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| 19:44 | mtompset | 16? AddMember_Opac only does 10. |
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| 19:52 | magnuse | depends on which passwords we are talking about |
| 19:52 | koha-create also creates passwords | |
| 19:52 | * magnuse | calls it a day and a half |
| 19:53 | jcamins | koha-create |
| 19:53 | wahanui | it has been said that koha-create is part of the package :) |
| 19:55 | rangi | fwiw id boycott a paid kohacon (or one where speakers are paid) |
| 19:55 | just my opinion | |
| 19:56 | cait | huh? |
| 19:56 | rangi | oh, kist reading scroll back |
| 19:56 | just even | |
| 19:57 | cait | hm not sure I want to |
| 19:57 | jcamins | That's what I was getting at when I said I thought a paid Kohacon would lose core developers. |
| 19:57 | drojf | i don't think i want to read that |
| 19:57 | or be part of it in any way | |
| 19:58 | rangi | :) |
| 19:59 | oleonard | Hi rangi |
| 19:59 | cait | some people seem to misunderstand that free software free conference concept... |
| 19:59 | rangi | heya oleonard, has your bug been signed off? |
| 19:59 | * cait | will not read back. |
| 19:59 | oleonard | Nope |
| 20:00 | Bug 10309 | |
| 20:00 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10309 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Needs Signoff , New OPAC theme based on Bootstrap |
| 20:00 | * rangi | will try at lunchtime |
| 20:01 | oleonard | It is no small thing I ask. Lots to test. |
| 20:03 | rangi | yeah, but i could start and note anything |
| 20:04 | oleonard | any amount of feedback is welcome, since I have received little! |
| 20:04 | rangi | handily |
| 20:05 | people can test | |
| 20:05 | http://responsive.mykoha.co.nz/ | |
| 20:05 | there | |
| 20:05 | cait | :) |
| 20:05 | rangi | without even needing to have a koha install |
| 20:05 | jcamins | Is that up to date? |
| 20:06 | rangi | should be, its cronned to update from oleonard's branch, but ill check |
| 20:06 | jcamins | oleonard: bad news... |
| 20:06 | wahanui | hmmm... bad news is that you're probably royally screwed |
| 20:06 | rangi | with wizzyrea |
| 20:06 | oleonard | Thanks wahanui |
| 20:06 | jcamins | The search dropdown box on the main page is on top of the go button. |
| 20:07 | rangi | i see that too, overlapping a few pixels |
| 20:07 | but i will check it is totally up to date | |
| 20:07 | when i get to work | |
| 20:08 | mtompset | rangi: Is your parenthetical (or one where speakers are paid) what you meant by paid kohacon, and you didn't mean paid as in registration fee? |
| 20:08 | rangi | both |
| 20:08 | i hate both ideas | |
| 20:08 | jcamins | oleonard: and the "Additional content types for books/printed materials" is jogged downwards. |
| 20:09 | rangi | jcamins: what page is that? |
| 20:09 | oleonard | jcamins: Can you add comments to Bug 10309 please? |
| 20:09 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10309 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Needs Signoff , New OPAC theme based on Bootstrap |
| 20:09 | jcamins | Oh, sorry. Advanced search. |
| 20:09 | Sure. | |
| 20:09 | rangi | ah yeah, when you switch on more option |
| 20:09 | s | |
| 20:09 | oleonard | I don't understand what you're saying about the search dropdown box |
| 20:10 | rangi | on my screen, its over the left of the go button |
| 20:10 | jcamins | I'll take a screenshot, but part of the left of the go button is covered by the dropdown. |
| 20:10 | mtompset | rangi: What do you hate about the idea of a registration fee? The inaccessibility it creates? Something else? |
| 20:11 | rangi | the inaccessibility, the removing a point of difference, the killing of a tradition for no real gain |
| 20:12 | mtompset | removing a point of difference? As in comparing one bid against another? |
| 20:12 | oleonard | Differentiating ourselves from other conferences |
| 20:12 | rangi | as in we are different to douchebag companies like sirsi dynix |
| 20:12 | jcamins | No, Koha is about openness and inclusiveness. |
| 20:13 | mtompset | AH... okay. |
| 20:13 | rangi | we had no problem covering costs at kohacon10 in nz |
| 20:13 | it takes organisation, and a willingness to door knock | |
| 20:13 | we had a lot of sponsors that have nothing to do with koha | |
| 20:14 | i think making it more clear hosting a conference is a LOT of work | |
| 20:14 | is worth doing, changing the entire tone of the conference, not so much | |
| 20:15 | oleonard | Time for me to leave. Bye #koha |
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| 20:15 | mtompset | Bye, oleonard. :) |
| 20:15 | Greetings, tcohen. | |
| 20:15 | tcohen | hi mtompset |
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| 20:22 | * cait | agrees with rangi on that |
| 20:23 | * jcamins | would like to think out loud a bit: would it make sense to separate the MySQL and Koha system user credentials? |
| 20:24 | mtompset | Separate how? What do you mean? |
| 20:24 | jcamins | Have two sets. |
| 20:24 | drojf | why? |
| 20:25 | jcamins | Koha logs into MySQL using one set of credentials, but the kohaadmin user has a different password. |
| 20:25 | drojf: to reduce the number of MySQL servers with the password "katikoan" | |
| 20:26 | * jcamins | was just struck by this thought, and wondered what people thought of it. |
| 20:26 | drojf | that sounds like a reasonable motivation |
| 20:27 | mtompset | So where would the koha needs to access all the tables in the DB password be set and known? And how would you split that from a koha system user with different system credentials? Would user 0 exist now? |
| 20:28 | jcamins | I'm not going to work on it because there are nowhere near enough tuits and that's low priority, it's just a thought. |
| 20:28 | mtompset: both passwords would be in koha-conf.xml. The difference is the MySQL credentials would not work to log in to Koha, and the Koha credentials would not work to log into MySQL. | |
| 20:29 | In my ideal world, the Koha credentials would even be bcrypted, the same as passwords in the database. | |
| 20:30 | mtompset | jcamins: That's great from a security perspective, but think librarian who wants to try Koha out, and have never heard of Debian before. |
| 20:30 | Some people can't grasp that one password is different than another. | |
| 20:30 | jcamins | mtompset: if they're using packages it's taken care of, if they're running the Makefile manually, they still have to create a MySQL user. |
| 20:31 | If they then choose to make the two passwords the same, that's their prerogative. | |
| 20:31 | mtompset | And one could reasonably assume the manual folks should be able to handle that. |
| 20:32 | jcamins | Right. If they can't, they're going to have problems anyway because their MySQL user isn't going to be able to connect by virtue of not existing. |
| 20:32 | And then you could have a koha-password script that generates one-time passwords for the Koha system users. | |
| 20:33 | mtompset | Do we have a koha reset password script? Because that would be useful already. :) |
| 20:34 | jcamins | No, that can't be done. |
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| 20:35 | mtompset | when packages are installed, the password is autogenerated in the koha-conf.xml file. If one knows the root password for the MySQL server, can't one reset them? |
| 20:36 | jcamins | Yes, but only if one knows the root password for the MySQL server. |
| 20:41 | mtompset | So then it isn't a matter of can't, but rather a matter of difficult, annoying, and not so feasible. :) |
| 20:41 | jcamins | "Not feasible" and "can't be done" are more or less the same. |
| 20:42 | And if you're manually changing the password, you might as well just edit the file yourself, since you must have sudo or root. | |
| 20:43 | mtompset | But in your ideal world, if the password is encrypted, you would edit in the encrypted password? |
| 20:43 | jcamins | No, in my ideal world you use a script and don't need a root password. |
| 20:45 | mtompset | Now there's a dream that can't be done. |
| 20:45 | jcamins | No, what I just described is perfectly feasiable. |
| 20:45 | *feasible | |
| 20:46 | The MySQL password can't be automatically changed, because that's simply not an option. | |
| 20:46 | mtompset | splitting the two credentials is feasible, yes. |
| 20:46 | Good security idea. | |
| 20:46 | jcamins | With them split, the Koha password can then be changed with a script easily. |
| 20:47 | wizzyrea | yep, responsive is updated every night |
| 20:47 | mtompset | wizzyrea! |
| 20:47 | wahanui | wizzyrea is a fan of selecting hunks for committing. |
| 20:47 | wizzyrea | hi |
| 20:48 | mtompset | I thought of you the other night when I put up some tests as a patch. |
| 20:48 | wizzyrea | yea? |
| 20:48 | mtompset | Remember that conversation way, way long ago (it seems) about overriding OpacHiddenItems based on Patron Category code? |
| 20:49 | wizzyrea | possibly? |
| 20:49 | mtompset | You suggested that instead of just a single code, I could pipe delimit codes. |
| 20:51 | wizzyrea | oh right yea |
| 20:51 | hopefully you weren't saying wizzyrea <swearing> | |
| 20:51 | >.> | |
| 20:51 | <.< | |
| 20:51 | mtompset | No, of course not! |
| 20:51 | We all know it is jcamins' fault. ;) | |
| 20:53 | I just wanted to point out that I did things a bit backwards (oops!) and forgot to write tests until after. :) | |
| 20:53 | And see if you wanted to test the patches. :) | |
| 20:55 | wizzyrea | aha |
| 20:55 | I am rather snowed with actual stuff that we get paid for atm :/ | |
| 20:55 | mtompset | no problem. |
| 20:55 | wizzyrea | >.< the hazards |
| 20:56 | tcohen | wizzyrea: how do i set pre-due notices? |
| 20:56 | cait | wizzyrea: it's annoying isn'tit? |
| 20:56 | wizzyrea | set them |
| 20:56 | ? | |
| 20:56 | oh you mean how do you enable them? | |
| 20:56 | tcohen | negative values? |
| 20:56 | cait | tcohen: patron messaging preferences and advanced_notices script? |
| 20:56 | tcohen | exactly |
| 20:56 | wizzyrea | no, positive values |
| 20:56 | number of days before due date you want the notice to arrive | |
| 20:57 | tcohen | and the overdue ones? |
| 20:57 | cait | tcohen: where are you looking? it should only offer a pull down with positives |
| 20:57 | wizzyrea | so like, 4 for "four days before items are due" |
| 20:57 | mtompset | http://www.kohacon10.org.nz/ doesn't work any more. :( |
| 20:57 | wizzyrea | overdues are handled through the overdue status triggers |
| 20:57 | under Tools | |
| 20:58 | tcohen | "patron messaging preferences |
| 20:58 | hmm | |
| 20:59 | cait | tcohen: first turn on the system preference |
| 20:59 | wizzyrea | you have to turn on enhanced messaging preferences in the system preference |
| 20:59 | cait | tcohen: then go to a patron and set it :) |
| 20:59 | wizzyrea | then it will be on the borrower detail |
| 20:59 | if you want to set defaults across all borrower categories | |
| 20:59 | tcohen | if I want it globally? |
| 20:59 | * cait | is procrastinating and should let wizzyrea answer and work on slides... |
| 20:59 | cait | slides? |
| 20:59 | wahanui | kf should be writing slides |
| 20:59 | wizzyrea | you have to do that in the category |
| 20:59 | tcohen | same syspref |
| 20:59 | wizzyrea | if you want that to be retrospective |
| 20:59 | yep | |
| 20:59 | you have to use the script in misc/migration-tools for force-borrower-messaging-preferences | |
| 21:00 | but I don't really recommend doing that on an already in use system because it will overwrite any borrower defined notice settings. | |
| 21:00 | but if you are only now turning that on it would be fine tod o | |
| 21:00 | to do* | |
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| 21:00 | tcohen | thanks wizzyrea and cait |
| 21:00 | Brooke | o/ |
| 21:00 | tcohen | \o |
| 21:00 | wizzyrea | did that all make sense? |
| 21:01 | Brooke | if it came from the lips of wizzyrea, sense is always included. |
| 21:01 | wizzyrea | hm. I suppose. |
| 21:03 | Brooke | wizzyrea++ |
| 21:05 | cait | wizzyrea++ and sorry for interrupting :) |
| 21:06 | Brooke | hey cait :D |
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| 21:11 | mtompset | Woo hoo! Flash crash! |
| 21:12 | Okay... question about tests. | |
| 21:12 | Every C4 library has methods/functions within it. | |
| 21:13 | Should tests which focus on one function/method be in a separate test file? | |
| 21:13 | Is there a recommended naming convention and placement to follow? | |
| 21:17 | rangi | back |
| 21:19 | mtompset: no, tests for the package should be in one file | |
| 21:19 | jcamins | Unless your tests get really freaking absurd, in which case a separate file might be preferred (see the Acquisitions module for an example of a module that should be split up). |
| 21:20 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10892 enhancement, P3, ---, mathieu.saby, Needs Signoff , Make facets customisable - step 1 : store facet config in YAML block |
| 21:20 | rangi | yeah, if you need separate test files |
| 21:20 | what you really need is | |
| 21:20 | separate modules | |
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| 21:23 | mtompset | How long is too long for a test file, before these split considerations should start crossing your mind? |
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| 21:34 | tcohen_ | mtompset: did you try my unit tests? |
| 21:35 | mtompset | not yet. |
| 21:35 | I've been writing more tests. | |
| 21:36 | In this case for C4::Context's setenv. | |
| 21:45 | C4::Context is a module that would generate a whack load of tests. Should I put my setenv testing into t/db_dependent/Context.t? Or should I put it into a separate test file? | |
| 21:45 | set_userenv (I mean) | |
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| 22:01 | tcohen | Context_set_userenv.t maybe |
| 22:02 | eythian | hi |
| 22:04 | tcohen | hey eythian |
| 22:04 | wahanui | go back to bed, eythian |
| 22:04 | eythian | wahanui: I would like to, but now it's too far away. |
| 22:04 | wahanui | eythian: huh? |
| 22:18 | tcohen | feature slush? |
| 22:18 | wahanui | feature slush is March 15. |
| 22:18 | tcohen | WTF? |
| 22:18 | schedule for 3.14? | |
| 22:20 | drojf | i think its september 25 |
| 22:20 | and wahanui does not know it. i found it in the logs for last meeting | |
| 22:20 | cait | release schedule? |
| 22:20 | wahanui | release schedule is, like, http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]gmcharlt#Timeline |
| 22:21 | drojf | ok. then i do not know how to ask the bot |
| 22:21 | * drojf | crawls away in shame |
| 22:21 | drojf | at least the date was right |
| 22:21 | tcohen | wahanui: feature slush is september 25 |
| 22:21 | wahanui | ...but feature slush is March 15.... |
| 22:21 | tcohen | wahanui: forget feature slush |
| 22:21 | wahanui | tcohen: I forgot feature slush |
| 22:22 | tcohen | wahanui: feature slush is september 25 |
| 22:22 | wahanui | OK, tcohen. |
| 22:22 | tcohen | feature slush? |
| 22:22 | wahanui | feature slush is september 25 |
| 22:22 | cait | hm? |
| 22:22 | slides? | |
| 22:22 | wahanui | kf should be writing slides |
| 22:22 | cait | kf is not here :P |
| 22:23 | tcohen | wahanui: feature slush is also the date stuff didn't get passed-qa won't make it into 3.14 |
| 22:23 | wahanui | okay, tcohen. |
| 22:23 | tcohen | feature slush? |
| 22:23 | wahanui | feature slush is september 25 |
| 22:24 | tcohen | feature slush? |
| 22:24 | wahanui | feature slush is the date stuff didn't get passed-qa won't make it into 3.14 |
| 22:25 | drojf | i don't think that is true |
| 22:25 | exactly | |
| 22:25 | i thought what passed qa is in, you have to beg for rest | |
| 22:27 | tcohen | wahanui: forget that |
| 22:27 | wahanui | tcohen: I forgot that |
| 22:27 | drojf | 18:15:49 <gmcharlt> cait: feature slush -- any new features that have hit passed QA by that date will be included in 3.14, assuming they don't raise signfiicant QA concerns on my part 18:16:29 <cait> thx :) 18:16:33 <gmcharlt> new features that have /not/ hit passed QA by feature slush are more liable to be left for the next release; if you want something that misses slush to make it in, you'll need to advocate for it |
| 22:28 | from the meeting log | |
| 22:28 | tcohen | feature slush? |
| 22:28 | wahanui | i guess feature slush is the date stuff didn't get passed-qa won't make it into 3.14 |
| 22:28 | tcohen | wahanui: forget feature slush |
| 22:28 | wahanui | tcohen: I forgot feature slush |
| 22:28 | tcohen | wahanui: feature slush is september 25 |
| 22:28 | wahanui | OK, tcohen. |
| 22:30 | tcohen | wahanui: feature slush is also the date stuff that got passed-qa makes it into 3.14 with high probability |
| 22:30 | wahanui | okay, tcohen. |
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| 23:44 | eythian | so you can no longer log in to the opac using the database user details? |
| 23:58 | wizzyrea | ooo can ya not? I thought you could |
| 23:58 | trea | since when? |
| 23:58 | wahanui | since when are you normal people? |
| 23:59 | trea | good point wahanui |
| 23:59 | wizzyrea | i have only observed it in 3.12, but I thought it was a side effect of something else |
| 23:59 | like wacky integrations. |
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