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| 00:00 | cait left #koha | |
| 00:16 | jcamins | Does anyone remember the URL for an HTML5-based map of (I think) the Silk Road that actually allowed you to follow the map and changed the view as you went along? |
| 00:32 | Found it. NY Times. | |
| 00:32 | dcook | Neato. Post it? |
| 00:33 | jcamins | Sure. http://www.nytimes.com/newsgra[…]/07/21/silk-road/ |
| 00:33 | dcook | Digital preservation is so interesting... |
| 00:34 | Although as Koha developers, I suppose we don't have much to do with it it except from the dissemination point of view. | |
| 00:34 | jcamins | Also cool, if you haven't seen it: http://linkedjazz.org/network/ |
| 00:47 | dcook | hehe, that is pretty cool |
| 00:47 | Is that using that JS you showed me the other day? | |
| 00:47 | Started with a D maybe? | |
| 00:48 | D3? | |
| 00:48 | Looks like | |
| 00:49 | jcamins | dcook: I think so, yeah. |
| 00:49 | And, yes. | |
| 01:04 | gmcharlt | @quote random |
| 01:04 | huginn` | gmcharlt: Quote #115: "chris: friends don't let friends use proprietary software." (added by chris_n at 05:36 PM, January 19, 2011) |
| 01:04 | rangi | damn straight |
| 01:05 | jcamins | I have been asked to share a single article or blog post or the like which encapsulates my thoughts on bibliography and catalogs. |
| 01:06 | dcook | Oooo |
| 01:06 | * dcook | would read that |
| 01:06 | jcamins | The problem is... *one*? |
| 01:06 | dcook | I know, right? |
| 01:06 | I wrote up a thing on digital preservation this morning and it spiralled a bit out of control.. | |
| 01:07 | I just wanted to mention the basics | |
| 01:07 | But then the basics became the slightly more than basic | |
| 01:07 | Including links to the much more complex | |
| 01:07 | jcamins | Like, there's an argument to be made for this being a crucial starting point: http://semanticpublishing.word[…]-and-linked-data/ |
| 01:08 | rangi | jcamins: Silos are bad, mmmkay |
| 01:08 | jcamins | But in fact that mostly fails to address any of my real concerns which are swept with "It is obvious that this is important." |
| 01:08 | rangi | that could be your title |
| 01:08 | you're welcome | |
| 01:08 | :-) | |
| 01:08 | dcook | hehe |
| 01:08 | jcamins: But is it obvious? | |
| 01:08 | jcamins | dcook: clearly not _that_ obvious or we wouldn't be dealing with MARC data and RDA. |
| 01:09 | rangi | here's what i have to say about that |
| 01:09 | http://www.quickmeme.com/meme/3vc3os/ | |
| 01:09 | dcook | :P |
| 01:09 | jcamins | lol |
| 01:10 | rangi | which only makes sense if you have seen https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CMNry4PE93Y |
| 01:10 | jcamins | This is the problem with doing things with academics. They have all these great references that you do not. |
| 01:10 | rangi | true |
| 01:10 | dcook | LOL |
| 01:10 | I like turtles | |
| 01:10 | mmm | |
| 01:10 | so true | |
| 01:10 | jcamins | lol |
| 01:11 | He'd been rehearsing what he was going to say all night! | |
| 01:11 | rangi | :) |
| 01:11 | dcook | turtles? |
| 01:11 | jcamins | Just because she didn't ask the right question was no reason not to go forward with it. |
| 01:11 | dcook | turtles is https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CMNry4PE93Y |
| 01:11 | rangi | just like RDA |
| 01:11 | jut because it doesnt solve the problem .. no reason to not use it anyway | |
| 01:11 | dcook | Bah, I can never remember it.. |
| 01:12 | Pretty much | |
| 01:24 | dac joined #koha | |
| 01:28 | dac | Hmm |
| 01:28 | dcook | Huzzah |
| 02:06 | rangi++ | |
| 02:06 | For 8033 :p | |
| 02:21 | dcook joined #koha | |
| 02:33 | jcamins | bug 8033 |
| 02:33 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8033 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, elliott, Failed QA , add print receipt option to Koha self-check |
| 03:12 | bag | evening all |
| 03:13 | gmcharlt | hi bag |
| 03:13 | bag | hey galen |
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| 04:13 | mcooper joined #koha | |
| 04:21 | * dcook | grumbles about HTTP::OAI::Harvester |
| 04:23 | dcook | Or maybe it's the data... |
| 04:23 | Probably the data | |
| 04:29 | bag | it's always the data - that's what talljoy says |
| 04:30 | dcook | If it's not the data, then it's the handler...which is a possibility...but the thing seems to croak as soon as it tries to parse the DC |
| 04:32 | Hell, I'd be overjoyed if I could see a "asXML" method somewhere | |
| 04:32 | Just so I know what I'm looking at | |
| 04:33 | Or rather...so I could dump it and try parsing it myself | |
| 04:35 | I'm using some code the author used as an example so maybe I need more error checking but still...:S | |
| 04:37 | Hmm, I don't think our Koha OAI-PMH server handles "from" and "until" parameters... | |
| 04:40 | Why do you think the element is empty you bloody parser... | |
| 04:40 | Wait.. | |
| 04:41 | Because I'm an idiot | |
| 04:41 | That's why | |
| 04:41 | Hmm or not.. | |
| 04:41 | Damn, I was hoping it was my idiocy.. | |
| 04:46 | bag | :) |
| 04:47 | drnoe_away left #koha | |
| 04:58 | dcook | Any folks using ssl for their Koha OPACs? |
| 05:03 | kathryn | yep |
| 05:03 | :) | |
| 05:04 | dcook | Hmm, I take it you've fixed up your XSLT to use HTTPS with Amazon? |
| 05:04 | kathryn | but I'm unlikely to be able to answer your next question' |
| 05:04 | dcook | hehe |
| 05:04 | kathryn | yeah, pass |
| 05:04 | but it's a clue! | |
| 05:04 | dcook | True true |
| 05:04 | kathryn | I'll show you one |
| 05:05 | dcook | Cool. That would be helpful :) |
| 05:05 | kathryn | https://library.plantandfood.co.nz/ |
| 05:05 | wahanui | https://library.plantandfood.co.nz/ is probably a research library |
| 05:05 | bag | we have opac's with SSL but not amazon |
| 05:06 | usually it ports to SSL when you need to log in | |
| 05:06 | dcook | Hmm |
| 05:06 | kathryn: Looks like you guys have the same issue then | |
| 05:06 | As I'm sure everyone would | |
| 05:07 | Users should get warning messages in their browser that while the connection is encrypted, they're bringing in unencrypted resources | |
| 05:07 | Such as the amazon images | |
| 05:07 | bag | hmm is that really an issue? |
| 05:08 | kathryn | I recall it being ok for, reasons... |
| 05:08 | but things change! | |
| 05:09 | bag | so do the amazon calls come back to the browser or to the server? |
| 05:09 | cait joined #koha | |
| 05:09 | bag | never mind I'm tired |
| 05:10 | I'm heading home I think | |
| 05:10 | kathryn | I'll bring it up with good folks here to check again too, I have to run away - my excuse is WINE! |
| 05:10 | dcook | Thanks for the help, kathryn :) |
| 05:10 | kathryn | you're welcome dcook sorry to bail :) |
| 05:10 | dcook | No worries. There's wine! |
| 05:11 | bag | THERE IS wine :) |
| 05:11 | kathryn | night :) and hi cait! |
| 05:11 | cait | night kathryn :) |
| 05:11 | and hi #koha | |
| 05:13 | dcook | hey cait :) |
| 05:13 | bag: Practically speaking, it might not be much of an issue | |
| 05:13 | But in theory, I'm sure it could be | |
| 05:14 | Password sniffing and such should be eliminated due to the SSL, but the calls out to Amazon would be in the clear, so that could be intercepted and something different handled over as if it were from amazon | |
| 05:15 | Likely to happen? Probably not | |
| 05:15 | But... | |
| 05:27 | Oooh...I think I found that method I wanted.. | |
| 05:29 | Or not... | |
| 05:29 | * cait | can't follow |
| 05:29 | * dcook | is grumbling about HTTP::OAI::Harvester |
| 05:30 | cait | oh |
| 05:30 | dcook | I can retrieve the records but I can't print out any metadata at all |
| 05:30 | I can just get the OAI identifier and datestamp, but when I try to get the DC metadata...nada | |
| 05:31 | It's there...but HTTP::OAI::Harvester doesn't seem to be parsing it as it should...unless I'm missing something painfully obvious | |
| 05:31 | But this is even using the author's example :/ | |
| 05:31 | Easy access to OAI Dublincore...right | |
| 05:32 | Unless... | |
| 05:32 | wahanui | unless is probably meant to give code that reads more like natural language? but i'm not a fan either |
| 05:32 | dcook | Maybe it is my idiocy |
| 05:33 | * dcook | swears under his breath |
| 05:33 | dcook | \o/ |
| 05:37 | cait | figured it out? |
| 05:40 | dcook | I thought that it was auto-loading the OAI_DC parser |
| 05:40 | Because all the examples suggest that it does | |
| 05:40 | But it seems that it doesn't | |
| 05:40 | I loaded it, and it worked ;) | |
| 05:41 | Not that I really want to use the parser most likely | |
| 05:41 | I think I'll fetch the records, output them as XML objects, store them in the DB (as per Galen's suggestion), then transform them into MARC21 | |
| 05:55 | Too many tabs... | |
| 05:55 | Drowning in tabs... | |
| 06:05 | kathryn, bag: Apparently, Amazon images don't come up with https | |
| 06:05 | So that's probably why it's ok ;) | |
| 06:05 | Images or total security | |
| 06:06 | @later tell kathryn That library.plantandfood.co.nz site seems to be missing a few images. I get errors when I load up the search results in the OPAC | |
| 06:06 | huginn` | dcook: The operation succeeded. |
| 06:08 | dcook | Hmm, looks like we do respect "from" and "until" in oai-pmh...hmm |
| 06:31 | * magnuse | waves |
| 06:32 | dcook | hey ya magnuse :) |
| 06:35 | magnuse | hiya dcook |
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| 06:40 | cait | bbiab |
| 06:42 | dcook | Eeeeeee! |
| 06:42 | I've finally figured out how to get the metadata out as a string of XML! | |
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| 06:42 | dcook | hey ya mtj |
| 06:42 | magnuse | is that the latest model from asus? |
| 06:42 | dcook | :p |
| 06:43 | Funny thing about asus... | |
| 06:43 | magnuse | kia ora mtj |
| 06:43 | dcook | My 2010 Eeepc has a RAM slot |
| 06:43 | My wife's 2012 Eeepc has the RAM soldered on :S | |
| 06:43 | magnuse | yuk |
| 06:43 | dcook | I can't get RAM old enough for my machine, and I can't open hers up |
| 06:44 | magnuse | good for them... nah, not really, in the long run |
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| 06:45 | magnuse | dcook: you have seen bug 6536, right? looks like there is some overlap with your work regarding marc conversion |
| 06:45 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6536 enhancement, P3, ---, m.de.rooy, ASSIGNED , Z3950 Enhancements: SRU targets, MARC conversion, additional XSLT processing (umbrella report) |
| 06:45 | mtj | heya dcook , magnuse |
| 06:47 | dcook | magnuse: Yeah, I took a little look, but it doesn't look like Marcel has gotten very far with the XSLT/conversions |
| 06:47 | mtj: I was wondering if you were still alive. Haven't seen you around in ages. | |
| 06:48 | magnuse: Plus, I'm starting to think the conversion won't be the toughest part | |
| 06:48 | Now...I'm starting to wonder how to harvest in an efficient way | |
| 06:48 | * magnuse | is curious |
| 06:48 | dcook | It seems crazy to harvest the entire database every time you want to harvest new records |
| 06:48 | magnuse | yeah, oai-pmh lets you not do that |
| 06:49 | dcook | How's that? |
| 06:49 | magnuse | you can ask for records that changed since a given time |
| 06:49 | let me see if i can find something about it | |
| 06:49 | dcook | Yeah, I was wondering about that |
| 06:49 | "from" and "until"? | |
| 06:49 | magnuse | yeah, something like that |
| 06:49 | dcook | I suppose I wonder about the reliability of that |
| 06:50 | magnuse | there you go: http://www.openarchives.org/OA[…]estampshttp://www.openarchives.org/OAI/openarchivesprotocol.html#SelectiveHarvestingandDatestamps |
| 06:50 | dcook | I'm going to look at how Koha forms its datestamp for OAI-PMH |
| 06:50 | magnuse | oops double paste |
| 06:50 | http://www.openarchives.org/OA[…]tingandDatestamps | |
| 06:50 | dcook | Mmmm |
| 06:50 | magnuse | "Harvesters may use datestamps to harvest only those records that were created, deleted, or modified within a specified date range. To specify datestamp-based selective harvesting, datestamps are included as values of the optional arguments, from and until, in the ListRecords and ListIdentifiers requests." |
| 06:50 | dcook | That should work |
| 06:51 | mtj | dcook, yep - still here!, but have not been chatting on irc much lately |
| 06:51 | magnuse | "Repositories must support selective harvesting with the from and until arguments expressed at day granularity. Optional support for seconds granularity is indicated in the response to the Identify request." |
| 06:51 | dcook | magnuse++ |
| 06:51 | Oh...seconds, eh? | |
| 06:51 | Oh right, that's there too | |
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| 06:51 | dcook | I guess I would pass the latest datestamp on record to the function each time it runs |
| 06:52 | Or not even that.. | |
| 06:52 | wahanui | hmmm... not even that is cold :) |
| 06:52 | dcook | No, probably that.. |
| 06:52 | wahanui: wahanui is a strange duck | |
| 06:52 | wahanui | ...but wahanui is a bot|a repository of important and useful and accurate information or at least partially slow.|a little bit creepy.|right sometimes... |
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| 06:52 | dcook | wahanui: wahanui is also a strange duck |
| 06:52 | wahanui | okay, dcook. |
| 06:52 | dcook | wahanui? |
| 06:52 | wahanui | dcook? |
| 06:52 | dcook | wahanui? |
| 06:52 | wahanui | dcook? |
| 06:52 | christophe_c | hello #koha |
| 06:52 | * dcook | scowls |
| 06:52 | dcook | salut christophe_c :) |
| 06:52 | magnuse | lol |
| 06:52 | bonjour christophe_c | |
| 06:52 | @wunder marseille | |
| 06:52 | huginn` | magnuse: The current temperature in Realtor, CABRIES, France is 19.1°C (8:52 AM CEST on August 01, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 39%. Dew Point: 5.0°C. Pressure: 30.04 in 1017 hPa (Steady). |
| 06:53 | magnuse | @wunder boo |
| 06:53 | huginn` | magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 12.0°C (8:20 AM CEST on August 01, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 94%. Dew Point: 11.0°C. Pressure: 29.83 in 1010 hPa (Rising). |
| 06:53 | magnuse | :-) |
| 06:53 | christophe_c | bonjour magnuse dcook ;-) |
| 06:53 | dcook | magnuse: I've successfully harvested oai_dc records from Koha :) |
| 06:53 | So I guess the next step is... | |
| 06:53 | Maybe start with the database work | |
| 06:53 | I'm going to look at Marcel's bug again | |
| 06:53 | I don't think its related though | |
| 06:54 | Oh wait...right.. | |
| 06:54 | magnuse | i was just thinking of the "transform marc" part of 6536 |
| 06:54 | dcook | I see what you're saying |
| 06:54 | Yeah, I wonder what Marcel has in mind | |
| 06:55 | I suppose storing MARC21 and UNIMARC in the import_records table | |
| 06:55 | So perhaps I could store my oai_dc in there too | |
| 06:55 | If the transformation happens on import.. | |
| 06:55 | I suppose my timing is rather bad with all of this :p | |
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| 06:56 | magnuse | nah, just have a chat with marcel and make sure you are not duplicating your efforts :-) |
| 06:56 | dcook | I'll probably want feedback from Galen too as he works on making Koha more metadata independent |
| 06:57 | Well, it's nearly 5 anyway | |
| 06:57 | 4:57pm | |
| 06:57 | One more day until beer o'clock... | |
| 06:59 | magnuse | :-) |
| 06:59 | friday? | |
| 06:59 | wahanui | friday is pizzaday! |
| 06:59 | magnuse | yay! |
| 07:04 | dcook | Mmm pizza |
| 07:04 | I can't remember the last time I had pizza.. | |
| 07:05 | magnuse | oh noes?!? |
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| 07:07 | magnuse | bonjour sophie_m1 |
| 07:13 | danielg++ for the newsletter | |
| 07:13 | srdjan++ for signing off bug 9916 | |
| 07:13 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9916 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Signed Off , Use DataTables in the OPAC |
| 07:15 | dcook | papa++ |
| 07:15 | Srdjan has been on fire lately | |
| 07:15 | papa | yep, that's me :) |
| 07:16 | although I cannot really match Kyle | |
| 07:16 | magnuse | ah papa++ then :-) |
| 07:17 | ooh, look: a clean slate: http://dashboard.koha-community.org/ | |
| 07:17 | kf joined #koha | |
| 07:17 | kf | hi #koha |
| 07:27 | GBSD made it to the evergreen mailing list :) | |
| 07:27 | which means we shoudl do another one sometime :) | |
| 07:27 | well.... i interpret it like that | |
| 07:30 | magnuse | yeah, i was just thinking the same thing |
| 07:30 | kf | god morgen magnuse :) |
| 07:30 | magnuse | guten morgen kf |
| 07:31 | got a link for the eg mailing list message? | |
| 07:36 | dcook | Time to go home :( |
| 07:36 | Wait, that's supposed to be :) | |
| 07:36 | It's :( because you folks just arrived! | |
| 07:36 | Don't want to go already.. | |
| 07:36 | night all! | |
| 07:36 | wahanui | goodnight dcook. You'll be back. |
| 07:39 | kf | poor dcook |
| 07:40 | always missing out on all the fun the europeans have :) | |
| 07:40 | magnuse: sorry no - i just get the digest | |
| 07:40 | oh or maybe | |
| 07:41 | http://libmail.georgialibrarie[…]9f/attachment.htm | |
| 07:43 | magnuse | yay |
| 07:43 | kf++ | |
| 07:43 | so yeah, let's set a date | |
| 07:44 | kf | :) |
| 07:44 | magnuse | does biblibre still have community days/half days? |
| 07:44 | kf | not sure |
| 07:44 | i think it's vacation time in france | |
| 07:49 | magnuse | yeah, probably |
| 07:49 | but should we let that stop us? ;-) | |
| 07:50 | kf | nope |
| 07:55 | magnuse | so... day of the week? friday? |
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| 07:58 | kf | ok for me |
| 08:00 | magnuse | so... which friday? not tomorrow. |
| 08:01 | next friday would be august 9th | |
| 08:01 | works for me | |
| 08:06 | kf | we have irc meeting on 7th i think |
| 08:07 | so can advertise there :) | |
| 08:07 | magnuse | true |
| 08:07 | that's settled then? | |
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| 08:09 | gaetan_B | hello |
| 08:17 | magnuse | bonjour gaetan_B |
| 08:18 | gaetan_B | bonjour magnuse, ça va ? |
| 08:19 | kf | magnuse: no vetos :) |
| 08:20 | magnuse | gaetan_B: all good |
| 08:20 | next gbsd is friday august 9th | |
| 08:21 | next gbsd? | |
| 08:21 | wahanui | i heard next gbsd was http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]bug_squashing_day |
| 08:21 | magnuse | wahanui: forget next gbsd |
| 08:21 | wahanui | magnuse: I forgot next gbsd |
| 08:21 | magnuse | next gbsd? |
| 08:21 | next gbsd is friday august 9th | |
| 08:21 | next gbsd? | |
| 08:21 | wahanui | rumour has it next gbsd is friday august 9th |
| 08:50 | kf | yay :) |
| 09:45 | rangi | evening |
| 09:46 | liw | hi, rangi |
| 09:48 | kf | hi rangi and liw |
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| 10:39 | * magnuse | waves again, after a bip outage |
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| 10:42 | bigbrovar | am having problems getting matching rules in stage marc for import tool to work with koha 3.12 (debian squeeze packages) .. I was sure to do a koha-rebuild-zebra -f -v instance before doing the marc import.. yet koha found 0 marc for the ISSN rule even though a manual search of issn included in the marc file to be imported displayed results. |
| 10:43 | I did encounter this problem too a while back.. and it took a while before it started working.. thing is I don't even know what I did differently then (just the same thing I had always done) | |
| 10:44 | I am thinking maybe if I run this koha-rebuild-zebra -f - --usmarc -v instance instead of koha-rebuild-zebra -f -v instance | |
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| 11:24 | kf | wizzyrea++ # for suggesting to add blue berries to the fennel salad |
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| 11:31 | oleonard | Hi #koha |
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| 11:33 | oleonard | Oh no, we're losing our newsletter editor (and Samuel Merritt University I guess) |
| 11:35 | jcamins | I noticed that. |
| 11:38 | magnuse | huh? no more koha? |
| 11:39 | oleonard | No more Koha at Samuel Merritt University |
| 11:39 | jcamins | magnuse: yep, in the newsletter Daniel says that Samuel Merritt is dropping Koha next year. |
| 11:39 | oleonard | It would be instructive to know why |
| 11:39 | magnuse | ouch! |
| 11:41 | (guess i forgot to actually read the newsletter...) | |
| 11:41 | oleonard | I always read the newsletter to find out what fashions the Koha celebs are wearing this season |
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| 11:47 | magnuse | oleonard: lol |
| 11:55 | oleonard | I don't understand Bug 10656... My shelving locations are correctly sorted by description. The SQL in GetAuthorisedValues says "ORDER BY category, lib, lib_opac" |
| 11:55 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10656 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , shelving locations not alpha on search |
| 11:55 | oleonard | I wonder if in those examples lib is different than lib_opac, causing weird sorting? |
| 11:56 | Since GetAuthorisedValues gets an $opac parameter I guess we could change the sort based on that | |
| 11:57 | tcohen | morning kf |
| 11:58 | oleonard | nengard: Could you check the authorized values for the examples you posted on Bug 10656? |
| 11:58 | nengard | checking |
| 11:58 | tcohen | who's working on bug 10663? |
| 11:58 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10663 critical, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Holds never block renewals |
| 12:00 | nengard | oleonard, on the one there is a space in the label! :) |
| 12:00 | checking another | |
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| 12:02 | nengard | the other one has codes in the description and friendly text in the lib_opac |
| 12:02 | soooo .... | |
| 12:02 | kf | tcohen: kind of me.... but not really right now |
| 12:02 | nengard | shouldn't the opac sort by lib_opac? |
| 12:02 | instead of description | |
| 12:02 | or lib | |
| 12:02 | kf | tcohen: i could provide you with a couple of unit tests i wrote... until i reached the conclusion in the last comment |
| 12:03 | oleonard | nengard: I would say in the opac it should sort by lib_opac. I just wanted to confirm that that was what was causing your particular sort issue. |
| 12:03 | nengard | cool |
| 12:03 | will update the bug | |
| 12:04 | kf | tcohen: and sorry - in a meeting in a minute |
| 12:04 | tcohen | good luck kf |
| 12:05 | magnuse | have fun kf |
| 12:08 | kf | thx |
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| 13:23 | kf | back |
| 13:24 | oleonard | We're all back! |
| 13:24 | * oleonard | enjoyed the ride |
| 13:24 | Dyrcona | Yeah, looks like OFTC.net had a little hiccup. |
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| 13:25 | * druthb | gets out the velcro |
| 13:31 | oleonard | We're probably overloading OFTC by talking too much. |
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| 13:31 | druthb | :P |
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| 13:46 | cwust | hellow every one! |
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| 13:48 | kf | hi cwust |
| 13:48 | cwust | Hi kf |
| 13:49 | I have problem whit koha | |
| 13:49 | can you help me? | |
| 13:50 | kf | it depends on the question |
| 13:53 | cwust | ok, When I edit a partner I have a message "You don't have permisson for do it" |
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| 13:56 | cwust | and my user setting is: catalogue and borrowers (Add or modify borrowers) |
| 13:57 | jcamins | Do you have IndependantBranches turned on? If you have IndependantBranches turned on and the patron is from a different library, you won't be able to edit it. |
| 13:57 | cwust | but the change is done |
| 13:58 | jcamins | Oh. So it's just an incorrect error message display. |
| 13:58 | What version? | |
| 13:58 | wahanui | hmmm... version is always noted in a comment on top |
| 13:58 | cwust | 3.12.03 |
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| 14:01 | cwust | I can editing the atributes if I click in each link edit |
| 14:01 | but not in the button edit | |
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| 14:02 | jcamins | Hm. It works for me, so it must be a configuration. |
| 14:02 | I'm out of ideas, sorry. | |
| 14:02 | Someone else might have some suggestions. | |
| 14:02 | cwust | what can I do for solved this problem? |
| 14:03 | jcamins | The first thing I'd do is see if there is a problem for superlibrarian users. |
| 14:03 | cwust | One more thing |
| 14:04 | jcamins | Then I'd either e-mail the list or look through the manual to see if there are any system preferences that could cause the behavior you're seeing. |
| 14:05 | cwust | The edit button works for the user superlibrarian |
| 14:05 | jcamins | Okay, that is a good clue. I would suspect that there is probably a system preference to disable editing other branches' patrons, but I don't know what it is. |
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| 14:06 | cwust | and don't work when restrict the permission |
| 14:08 | Ok, Bueno, gracias por la ayuda sigo con las pruebas | |
| 14:08 | sorry | |
| 14:08 | thanks for the help with testing still | |
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| 14:22 | rambutan | That's the reality of "overseas" I think. In Thailand, they have 1-4 "busboys" to clean the tables. Very helpful service. Reflects the cost of labor presumably. |
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| 14:22 | rambutan | to clean tables in McDonalds, I should have said |
| 14:23 | jcamins | I suspect the abbreviation may mean something else in this context. |
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| 14:47 | tcohen | anyone from tamil? |
| 14:51 | kf | tcohen: i think that's only fredericd |
| 14:51 | haven't seen him talking here in a while | |
| 14:52 | tcohen | thanks kf |
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| 15:11 | jenkins_koha | Starting build #22 for job master_maria (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE) |
| 15:15 | Starting build #1343 for job Koha_master (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #1338 7 days 1 hr ago) | |
| 15:16 | huginn` | New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 10609: Use library name rather than code in serials-collection.pl <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]42b2c1b272439b2b6> / Bug 10644: fix typos in test descriptions <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]f7c67f7d0a01efc70> / Bug 10644: add unit tests for ClassSource.pm <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]web/?p=koha.git;a |
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| 15:37 | oleonard | jcamins: Around? I'm looking at Bug 10404 |
| 15:37 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10404 new feature, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Needs Signoff , Add previous/next browsing to staff client search results |
| 15:37 | jcamins | oleonard: great! |
| 15:37 | And, yes, for another hour or so. | |
| 15:37 | Thoughts? | |
| 15:37 | oleonard | It looks good and works well. I've got a couple of questions about the implementation |
| 15:38 | jcamins | Hooray! I've also asked some folks with Windows to test it on every browser they can find. |
| 15:38 | What questions? | |
| 15:38 | oleonard | I would have put browser.js in intranet-tmpl/js rather than intranet-tmpl/lib/koha because in the past lib has been the place for 3rd-party libraries |
| 15:39 | jcamins | We can certainly do that. |
| 15:39 | I didn't see a js directory, so I put it in the lib directory. | |
| 15:39 | oleonard | Not sure if that distinction is useful going forward, it's just they way I've understood it. |
| 15:39 | Yeah we don't have one yet outside the theme directory | |
| 15:41 | There is some commented-out code in results.tt, [% dumper.dump(SEARCH_RESULTS) %] | |
| 15:41 | Is that useful? | |
| 15:41 | jcamins | No. |
| 15:41 | I can remove that. | |
| 15:41 | oleonard | I haven't looked at the code carefully yet. What is that JavaScript doing on the results page? |
| 15:41 | jcamins | It is recording the search results. |
| 15:42 | The paging is done 98% client-side. | |
| 15:44 | oleonard | Would it be hard to add a title attribute to the "previous" and "next" links with the corresponding titles? |
| 15:44 | jcamins | Yes. |
| 15:44 | oleonard | :( |
| 15:44 | jcamins | That would fail on any browser other than Chrome. |
| 15:46 | If I were to use localstorage instead of cookies, that would work, but it would also reduce compatibility. | |
| 15:46 | oleonard | Well it's certainly not a deal-breaker. |
| 15:46 | jcamins | http://caniuse.com/namevalue-storage |
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| 15:46 | * Kenza Zaki: Bug 10644: add unit tests for ClassSource.pm | |
| 15:46 | * Galen Charlton: Bug 10644: fix typos in test descriptions | |
| 15:47 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10644 normal, P5 - low, ---, kenza.zaki, Pushed to Master , C4::ClassSource.pm needs unit tests |
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| 15:47 | JoeLib001 | Hello. :-) |
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| 15:48 | oleonard | Hi JoeLib001 |
| 15:48 | JoeLib001 | Is there a way I can map an aquisition for orders field to the marc record? |
| 15:49 | I am specifically talking about the Koha Link field in the MARC Structure / Advanced Contraints section. | |
| 15:51 | I would be wanting to link the aqorders.budget_id field to a specific 900 field / subfield. | |
| 15:51 | jcamins | JoeLib001: I don't think so, but I'd love to be proven wrong. |
| 15:51 | JoeLib001 | :-) |
| 15:52 | I was afraid that was the anser. XD | |
| 15:52 | *answer | |
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| 16:05 | oleonard | jcamins: Have you ever worked with a JavaScript template system? |
| 16:05 | jcamins | oleonard: what do you mean? |
| 16:05 | oleonard | moustache, handlebars, etc. |
| 16:05 | jcamins | Ah. |
| 16:05 | Yes. | |
| 16:05 | I'm using handlebars. | |
| 16:06 | I like it. | |
| 16:06 | I started with mustache, but I didn't like it so much. | |
| 16:06 | I found it a little over-magical. | |
| 16:06 | oleonard | I have not, but I often wonder if Koha would benefit from something like it |
| 16:06 | Looking at browser.js made me think of it | |
| 16:06 | bigbrovar | I can't seem to get issn matching rule to work using marc stage import.. it keeps telling me 0 match found even though the issn exist in the records and can be searched from opac and staff client |
| 16:06 | jcamins | oleonard: https://github.com/biblionarra[…]tree/master/views |
| 16:07 | bigbrovar | am using the debian squeeze packages for koha 3.12 |
| 16:08 | jcamins | bigbrovar: you're trying to match against records already in the database, right? |
| 16:08 | bigbrovar | jcamins: yes so that I can add items to the records |
| 16:08 | jcamins | oleonard: I quite like handlebars, but I'm not sure how much it would help in Koha. |
| 16:08 | bigbrovar: darn. That would've been an easy solution. | |
| 16:08 | bigbrovar | using issn as a match |
| 16:09 | oleonard | jcamins: I don't understand it well enough to know |
| 16:09 | bigbrovar | jcamins: :) but so far koha keeps telling me 0 match using the issn rule.. |
| 16:10 | jcamins | oleonard: the problem as I see it would be breaking the templates up enough that we could make use of partials for client-side rendering. |
| 16:11 | bigbrovar | from my little experience with the marc stage upload tool.. the matching rule is a 50%.. I had similar issues with isbn rules before it started working (didn't even do anything differently) and then when it worked.. I had to import in batches cus it only did part of the first batch and ignored the rest when it should have done a match of all the items.. |
| 16:12 | maybe I should do a koha-rebuild-zebra -f --u usmarc -v instance instead of a koha-rebuild-zebra -f -v instance ? | |
| 16:13 | jcamins | bigbrovar: that is very unlikely to fix it. |
| 16:13 | However, you can try (but disable the incremental cronjob!). | |
| 16:14 | bigbrovar | jcamins: incremental cronjob? |
| 16:14 | jcamins | bigbrovar: right, because it uses xml. |
| 16:14 | JoeLib001 | Would one just be able to add aqorders to the kohafield tables in the /usr/share/koha/intranet/cgi-bin/admin/marc_subfields_structure.pl? |
| 16:15 | bigbrovar | jcamins: have u ever had issues with the matching rule before? any advise/idea how I can troubleshoot or what I could be doing wrong? |
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| 16:18 | jcamins | JoeLib001: I suspect it would just result in a mess, but I could be wrong. |
| 16:18 | bigbrovar: when the matching rules have failed for me, it's because I had a bad rule. | |
| 16:20 | bigbrovar | jcamins: am using the default rule.. maybe I should check it if anything is amiss |
| 16:20 | kf | JoeLib001: what are you trying to achieve? |
| 16:20 | jcamins | I've never used the built-in rule, so it could be that it doesn't work. Perhaps someone else can shed light on that. |
| 16:21 | kf | bigbrovar: could it be something like hyphens/no hyphens in your isbn? |
| 16:21 | i haven't read all so i might be totally off | |
| 16:21 | jcamins | oleonard: the searches are rendered client-side, particularly if you click the knowledge trail maps on the right. |
| 16:22 | oleonard | Very cool jcamins |
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| 16:22 | jcamins | But achieving similar results with Koha would require a lot of template restructuring. |
| 16:23 | JoeLib001 | kf: I am trying to link a marc subfield to a koha aqorders field. That way I don't have to type something that Koha already knows about. |
| 16:23 | jenkins_koha | Project master_maria build #23: STILL UNSTABLE in 36 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]/master_maria/23/ |
| 16:23 | Owen Leonard: Bug 10609: Use library name rather than code in serials-collection.pl | |
| 16:23 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10609 trivial, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Use branch name rather than branch code in serials-collection.pl |
| 16:23 | kf | JoeLib001: first question? ;) |
| 16:24 | first question? | |
| 16:24 | wahanui | "What are you trying to do?" or "What is the goal?" |
| 16:24 | JoeLib001 | kf: I thought I had successfully convinced our cataloger that they didn't need a random 945 line with certain information, but alas. :-) |
| 16:24 | kf | ah catalogers... |
| 16:24 | well the information is in acq... so why store it again in the marc record? | |
| 16:24 | JoeLib001 | kf: That was my first suggestion. XD |
| 16:25 | kf | I was wondering about the use case/workflow |
| 16:25 | the problem is such linking wouldn't work at all for some libraries like ours | |
| 16:25 | we are updating the data nightly from a union catalog... so those data would be overwritten all the time | |
| 16:25 | so it's nothing we ever looked into | |
| 16:25 | JoeLib001 | kf: We are currently only using Koha for Journals and Acquisitions. The books get cataloged on a different system, but they import my records from Koha. XD |
| 16:26 | kf | ah |
| 16:26 | hm ok, that makes sense... | |
| 16:27 | jenkins_koha | Project Koha_master build #1343: STILL UNSTABLE in 1 hr 12 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]Koha_master/1343/ |
| 16:27 | * Kenza Zaki: Bug 10644: add unit tests for ClassSource.pm | |
| 16:27 | * Galen Charlton: Bug 10644: fix typos in test descriptions | |
| 16:27 | JoeLib001 | kf: I think the main issue is that they don't want to give up a system that has been setup for the last 50 years .... |
| 16:27 | jenkins_koha | * Owen Leonard: Bug 10609: Use library name rather than code in serials-collection.pl |
| 16:27 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10644 normal, P5 - low, ---, kenza.zaki, Pushed to Master , C4::ClassSource.pm needs unit tests |
| 16:27 | kf | JoeLib001: hm what is the other system used for except for cataloguing? |
| 16:27 | opac? | |
| 16:27 | wahanui | i guess opac is for patrons |
| 16:28 | JoeLib001 | kf: Yes. |
| 16:28 | kf | hm |
| 16:28 | koha has a nice opac actually... :) | |
| 16:28 | JoeLib001 | kf: The other system is used for Cataloging/Circulation/Opac, etc. |
| 16:29 | kf: Yeah, I have been hinting that we should just make the switch. I don't have enough people on my side though. XD | |
| 16:30 | kf | i see the problem, but i think it's currently not possible to do what they want |
| 16:30 | JoeLib001 | kf: Well, that's what I want. They want me to enter the information manually. XD |
| 16:31 | jcamins | JoeLib001: write a script to do it in a batch once a week? |
| 16:31 | JoeLib001 | I doing a Koha install on a Virtual Machine and I am going to see, if I can't hack it into existence. xD |
| 16:32 | jcamins: That might be a good alternative. | |
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| 16:33 | JoeLib001 | Good luck. :-) |
| 16:34 | The problem isn't with the Journals. It's with the records for books that I put into the Acquisitions system. | |
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| 17:16 | gaetan_B | bye! |
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| 18:36 | drojf | good evening #koha |
| 18:47 | cait | hi drojf |
| 18:47 | oleonard | Hi cait and drojf |
| 18:48 | cait | hi oleonard :) |
| 18:48 | drojf | hi cait and oleonard |
| 18:48 | what did i miss? i don't want to read the log, i bet it's confusing | |
| 18:48 | cait | heh |
| 18:48 | not much | |
| 18:49 | drojf | our newsletterman moves _away_ from koha? that's a weird direction that i only ever heard of in context of liblime ^^ |
| 18:50 | cait | I don't know details |
| 18:50 | i could imagine it was not his choice to make | |
| 18:54 | nengard | it wasn't his choice |
| 18:54 | oleonard | Do you know some gossip nengard? |
| 18:55 | * nengard | knows everything about koha ;) hehe |
| 18:55 | nengard | all i can say is it wasn't his choice |
| 18:55 | drojf | uh. they sponsored course reserves and hourly loans. woudln't now be the time to harvest the crops? |
| 18:55 | cait | :( |
| 18:55 | that's really sad then | |
| 18:55 | i didn't knwo they did | |
| 18:56 | nengard | they did do that |
| 18:56 | and i do agree of course with you all | |
| 18:56 | drojf | i blame weird management choices |
| 18:56 | nengard | you'd be safe in doing so :) |
| 19:00 | drojf | nengard: i suppose you can't tell us what they are moving to? |
| 19:00 | * drojf | is not a curious person ;) |
| 19:00 | nengard | not my place |
| 19:00 | sorry | |
| 19:01 | drojf | i thought so, had to ask anyway ;) |
| 19:03 | cait | and there i thought only i was so curious... :) |
| 19:03 | nengard | we're all curious |
| 19:03 | it's our nature | |
| 19:04 | cait | makes a good geek? :) |
| 19:04 | drojf | and kills cats |
| 19:05 | the good news is, a cat cafe just opened in my part of berlin :D | |
| 19:06 | cait | ? |
| 19:06 | jcamins | drojf: cat kebab? |
| 19:06 | drojf | http://www.berlin.de/aktuelles[…]in-neukoelln.html |
| 19:07 | i guess it will turn into cat kebab once they are older ;) | |
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| 19:43 | Nicole C. Engard: update images for framework subfields | |
| 20:01 | * oleonard | is being a busy-body to everyone's patches today |
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| 20:01 | rangi | excellent |
| 20:03 | cait | morning rangi |
| 20:03 | oleonard++ :) | |
| 20:06 | oleonard | I'm so used to correcting merge errors in patches with database updates that when I don't get them I forget to run the database update. |
| 20:07 | cait | lol |
| 20:07 | rangi | heh |
| 20:11 | ah ha | |
| 20:11 | it becomes clear | |
| 20:11 | check the latest message to the list | |
| 20:11 | jcamins | Heh. |
| 20:12 | rangi | we have dueling dvd's |
| 20:12 | and it appears the important thing is to be recognised, not do security updates | |
| 20:12 | this other guy is winning in my book | |
| 20:12 | one sends a mail about not being on the about page | |
| 20:12 | * jcamins | pictures two DVDs rolling back 10 paces. |
| 20:13 | rangi | the other one updates the security release |
| 20:13 | i know which one id pick | |
| 20:13 | * cait | nods |
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| 20:50 | drojf | good night #koha |
| 20:55 | magnuse | JoeLib001: [off] keeps thing out of the logs :-) |
| 20:57 | JoeLib001 | That is awesome. :-) |
| 20:58 | magnuse | logs? |
| 20:58 | wahanui | logs is http://irc.koha-community.org/koha/ |
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| 21:59 | rangi | https://github.com/micha/resty |
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| 23:20 | pianohacker | Yo, #koha. A couple years ago, I snuck transparent messages into the new sysprefs editor (to display errors and "saved" notifications) |
| 23:20 | Anyone have an opinion of them, positive or negative? | |
| 23:21 | jcamins | pianohacker: use FF if you're having trouble under Chrome. |
| 23:21 | Oh. | |
| 23:21 | Different question. | |
| 23:21 | I like them. | |
| 23:21 | Other than the fact that they don't always work under Chrome. | |
| 23:22 | pianohacker | jcamins: Good to hear. I'll have to poke at that code while I'm using them, to see if I can fix that problem |
| 23:22 | Do you have steps to reproduce? | |
| 23:22 | jcamins | I did, but did I report a bug? That's the big question. |
| 23:23 | Apparently not. | |
| 23:23 | Drat. | |
| 23:24 | wizzyrea | I like them, I think |
| 23:24 | pianohacker | Hold on, let me check my notes. The big green button makes rangi say "write a unit test!", where's the other one... |
| 23:24 | ah! | |
| 23:24 | jcamins | It has to do with the setTimeout for the fadeout getting out of sync. |
| 23:24 | * pianohacker | presses the "<gmcharlt> file a bug" button |
| 23:24 | wizzyrea | I don't like the "pasting doesn't always tell the entry box you've put stuff in" but again, there's probably not a bug for that. |
| 23:24 | be rangi | |
| 23:24 | wahanui | There's a bug for that |
| 23:24 | pianohacker | hahahaha |
| 23:24 | wizzyrea | be rangi |
| 23:24 | wahanui | Send a patch! |
| 23:24 | wizzyrea | there it is |
| 23:25 | jcamins | wizzyrea: that's separate, I think. |
| 23:25 | pianohacker | jcamins: interesting. Out of sync how? |
| 23:26 | jcamins | pianohacker: it won't hide, but then when you click save again, it'll hide the new one immediately after it displays. |
| 23:26 | pianohacker | ah, yeah, that's definitely a bug |
| 23:31 | wizzyrea | ymca? |
| 23:31 | wahanui | \ ^o^ /o/ /o\ |
| 23:32 | pianohacker | jcamins: bug 10673 |
| 23:32 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10673 minor, P5 - low, ---, jweaver, NEW , Message hide timeout can go out of sync in preferences.pl |
| 23:33 | pianohacker | wizzyrea: bug 10674 |
| 23:33 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10674 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jweaver, NEW , System preferences not marked as modified after paste |
| 23:33 | wizzyrea | aww yay! |
| 23:33 | jcamins | pianohacker: if I figure out what I did to reproduce it I'll put it on the bug. |
| 23:33 | pianohacker | jcamins: Cool, thanks |
| 23:33 | I want to get those fixed at some point, but it may not be soon, so I wanted a record of them :) | |
| 23:34 | wizzyrea | \o/ |
| 23:36 | dcook joined #koha | |
| 23:37 | dcook | morning #Koha |
| 23:40 | BobB | morning dcook |
| 23:41 | dcook | Hey BobB |
| 23:41 | BobB | :) |
| 23:41 | dcook | How goes your Friday morning? |
| 23:42 | BobB | pretty busy, still working on yesterday's list :) |
| 23:44 | dcook | I hear that. |
| 23:48 | Just read the newsletter. Migrating away from Koha? :( | |
| 23:56 | BobB | LL customer |
| 23:58 | dcook | Mmm |
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