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| 00:06 | alex_a_ joined #koha | |
| 00:22 | * dcook | just noticed the "Source" link on CPAN...*facepalm* |
| 00:54 | jcamins | Those orange-mint sugar cookies were so good that now I'm making rosemary sugar cookies. |
| 00:54 | dcook | Intriguing... |
| 00:54 | I know I like rosemary in bread but cookies? | |
| 00:54 | jcamins | You may be envious. |
| 00:55 | dcook | May I? |
| 00:55 | jcamins | You may. You have my permission. |
| 00:55 | dcook | I appreciate the permission. I'm sure they'll be delicious :) |
| 00:55 | lol | |
| 00:56 | I did not expect you to say that | |
| 00:57 | jcamins | Hehe. Well, I thought you might be unsure whether envy was appropriate. :P |
| 00:58 | dcook | I was unsure, haha |
| 01:00 | How far along in the process are you of baking these? | |
| 01:02 | jcamins | I have combined the butter and sugar. |
| 01:02 | And added eggs and vanilla. | |
| 01:07 | alex_a joined #koha | |
| 01:17 | jcamins | Not enough rosemary. |
| 01:17 | Fortunately I already chopped a bunch more. | |
| 01:36 | tcohen joined #koha | |
| 01:49 | dcook | I wonder how often "GetMarcFromKohaField" is used... |
| 01:49 | It's check for a defined $frameworkcode is problematic.. | |
| 01:49 | o/ tcohen | |
| 01:49 | Enough rosemary now, jcamins? | |
| 01:49 | Its* | |
| 01:49 | tcohen | \o/ |
| 01:51 | dcook | Oh wait, or maybe I'm an idiot |
| 01:51 | Yep, I'm an idiot | |
| 01:51 | Or hasty | |
| 01:51 | Let's say hasty ;) | |
| 01:52 | tcohen | what's your problem dcook? |
| 01:52 | dcook | No problem :) |
| 01:53 | I forgot that "defined" checks for nulls but let's through empty strings | |
| 01:53 | So everything works as it should :) | |
| 01:53 | tcohen | oh, tell me you're trying to remove all those nasty warnings on the logs... |
| 01:54 | bigbrovar joined #koha | |
| 01:54 | dcook | Alas, that's not my current task. Looking at doing email alerts for new bibs. |
| 01:54 | It's all operational. Just trying to get the bib number out of search results from Zebra | |
| 01:54 | So that the emails contain hyperlinks to the opac :) | |
| 01:55 | * dcook | needs to write a mainstream patch for that one sometime |
| 01:56 | dcook | It's not very elegant but it works pretty well |
| 01:56 | Might step on the toes of what Kyle was working on though | |
| 01:59 | jcamins | dcook: yup. :) |
| 02:00 | dcook | I'm trying to imagine how these cookies must taste... |
| 02:20 | jcamins | Delicious! |
| 02:20 | And surprisingly subtle. | |
| 02:22 | dcook | I think my life needs more cookies... |
| 02:23 | zebran00b joined #koha | |
| 02:23 | jcamins | Probably. |
| 02:24 | zebran00b | can anyone help troubleshoot a Koha 3.12 instance that won't send emails? koha_enable_email is on, I can send emails as root in command line, default address in SysPref is root localhost. |
| 02:24 | It's a package install so I haven't tinkered with any cronjobs or the like | |
| 02:27 | jcamins | zebran00b: are you able to send e-mails not from Koha? |
| 02:27 | zebran00b | yes, there's a mediawiki on the same server that has sent emails, and I've sent test emails from the command line |
| 02:28 | jcamins | Unfortunately, I am now out of ideas. |
| 02:28 | I just run koha-enable-email, and it works. | |
| 02:30 | dcook | I haven't even gotten that far yet with package installs. I'll have to look at koha-enable-email and the koha-zebra commands...but - alas - today is not that day |
| 02:30 | zebran00b: Do you have anything in your message_queue table? | |
| 02:31 | Do you have notices set up? | |
| 02:31 | zebran00b | how do I check the message_queue tables? I was just trying to figure that out now. |
| 02:31 | notices are all the defaults, they look fine. | |
| 02:31 | dcook | Are you familiar with using mysql from the commandline? |
| 02:31 | If not, do you have a GUI on your server? | |
| 02:32 | Or on a computer that can access your server? | |
| 02:32 | I use the MySQL GUI tools for managing my DBs | |
| 02:33 | zebran00b | I'm somewhat comfortable in the command line |
| 02:34 | I can't remember if we have a GUI | |
| 02:34 | checking | |
| 02:36 | dcook | If you do have a GUI and you're running Debian, these might be useful: |
| 02:36 | a) mysql-gui-tools-common | |
| 02:36 | b) mysql-query-browser | |
| 02:36 | c) mysql-admin | |
| 02:36 | d) mysql-navigator | |
| 02:37 | jcamins | The command line mysql client will work just fine for you too, of course. :) |
| 02:37 | dcook | That too |
| 02:37 | select * from YOURKOHADB.message_queue; | |
| 02:38 | That'll tell you if any emails have even been put in the queue | |
| 02:38 | Better yet: | |
| 02:38 | select message_id,status from kohadev38.message_queue; | |
| 02:38 | zebran00b | thx, let me give that a shot |
| 02:38 | dcook | The status will say if they're pending, failed, or sent |
| 02:38 | Hope that helps | |
| 02:38 | zebran00b | kohadev38? is that dependent on my Koha version, in which case should it be kohadev312? |
| 02:38 | dcook | lol |
| 02:38 | Sorry | |
| 02:38 | That's my local dev DB | |
| 02:39 | Your name will be different | |
| 02:39 | Unless you named your instance dev38, which you wouldn't have done | |
| 02:39 | I'm actually working with email at the moment, but I don't use package installs (yet) | |
| 02:39 | zebran00b | gotcha |
| 02:41 | jcamins | zebran00b: it'll be something like koha_library |
| 02:41 | dcook | To connect to your MySQL db via the commandline, try: mysql -u DBUSER -h DBSERVERNAME -p |
| 02:41 | DBSERVERNAME would probably be localhost in your case | |
| 02:42 | And DBUSER something like "koha_library" as well, I think. | |
| 02:42 | zebran00b | just looking up DB name to be sure... |
| 02:42 | dcook | You could always connect to your server then do a "show databases" as well |
| 02:43 | But I think the dbname and dbuser are the same.. | |
| 02:45 | jcamins | dcook: you can leave out the server name if it's localhost. |
| 02:47 | zebran00b | got PMA running, so bonus |
| 02:48 | in message_queue tables, three queued hold notification emails from 2 weeks ago when I specified an email in SysPref. There should be some from yesterday, after I changed SysPref email to rootlocalhost, but they aren't there. |
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| 02:49 | dcook | In that case, you can be confident that it's not your mail server. |
| 02:50 | How certain are you that there should've been emails yesterday? | |
| 02:50 | And what types of emails? | |
| 02:50 | More hold notifications? | |
| 02:50 | zebran00b | interesting, just placed a hold and it is now pending |
| 02:51 | so the lack of notices about new account creation, overdues, must be because I didn't configure notices properly? | |
| 02:52 | dcook | Or you're missing something in a system preference, or triggers, or circ rules |
| 02:52 | zebran00b | I always had "send an email to newly created patrons with their account details" enabled, but it never does it. |
| 02:52 | dcook | Hmm |
| 02:52 | Did that newly create patron have an email address? | |
| 02:53 | I'm not super familiar with that particular notice, but it might be that you need to fill out the other email address field, as it might only check for one | |
| 02:53 | zebran00b | checking circ rules. No, longstanding email. |
| 02:53 | dcook | I think Koha needs to do a bit more checking with emails, but I have other priorities these days |
| 02:54 | zebran00b | interesting thought about circ rules. Maybe I configured my libraries or patrons incorrectly? |
| 02:55 | dcook | Try: /cgi-bin/koha/tools/overduerules.pl |
| 02:55 | You might not have mapped your overdue triggers to notices | |
| 02:56 | zebran00b | package install, shouldn't this have been done already? |
| 02:56 | dcook | In terms of circ rules, I was referring to the possibility that items you think are overdue might not actually be overdue |
| 02:56 | zebran00b: Maybe, but I doubt it. | |
| 02:56 | zebran00b | more concerned about autosending account details to new patrons. Have about 200 accounts to create and would like to skip handwriting 200 emails. |
| 02:56 | dcook | The reason being that overdue notices tend to be highly specific |
| 02:56 | Indeed | |
| 02:57 | Alas, I can't help you on that one at the moment, as I have other work to do | |
| 02:58 | Look at the patron's email address again though | |
| 02:58 | Create a test patron right now and put in two different email addresses in the email fields for that patron | |
| 02:58 | Once you save that patron, an email should (in theory) be sent to one of them | |
| 03:00 | zebran00b | overduerules.pl generated "Can't locate C4/Context.pm in @INC (@INC contains: /etc/perl /usr/local/lib/perl/5.10.1 /usr/local/share/perl/5.10.1 /usr/lib/perl5 /usr/share/perl5 /usr/lib/perl/5.10 /usr/share/perl/5.10 /usr/local/lib/site_perl .) at /usr/share/koha/intranet/cgi-bin/tools/overduerules.pl line 23. BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at /usr/share/koha/intranet/cgi-bin/tools/overduerules.pl line 23." |
| 03:00 | dcook | Mmm, that would do it |
| 03:01 | You need to set your PERL5LIB environmental variable to point to your C4 directory | |
| 03:01 | You're probably not setting your KOHA_CONF either | |
| 03:01 | I would think the packages would take care of that though... | |
| 03:01 | zebran00b | yes, they were supposed to |
| 03:02 | and they seemed to do so as far as getting search indexing working, hence my handle | |
| 03:05 | actually for overdue notices, the problem seems to be that the overdue notice/status triggers aren't filled out | |
| 03:05 | dcook | Hence my pointing to the page: /cgi-bin/koha/tools/overduerules.pl |
| 03:05 | :p | |
| 03:05 | zebran00b | right, but I should fill them out first :) |
| 03:05 | dcook | Indeed |
| 03:06 | zebran00b | meanwhile, message_queue says the hold message failed. It was sending from kohalocalhost to kohalocalhost, which is wrong in the first place (to address should be my personal mail, I placed the hold for my account) |
| 03:07 | dcook | Do you have "emailLibrarianWhenHoldIsPlaced" turned on? |
| 03:08 | If it were on, that would happen | |
| 03:08 | zebran00b | I do, but then why isn't it sending 2 emails - one to librarian, one to patron? |
| 03:11 | jcamins | Because you have it set up to send to the wrong patron address, and the librarian address is invalid. |
| 03:11 | That's my guess. | |
| 03:12 | dcook | I would guess the same thing. |
| 03:12 | jcamins | zebran00b: when you're running scripts, you should be using koha-shell. |
| 03:12 | zebran00b | do I have to copy all notices from "all libraries" to my specific library? |
| 03:12 | dcook | zebran00b: You shouldn't, no |
| 03:12 | zebran00b | its not the wrong patron address, its my personal email address. |
| 03:12 | the librarian address probably is invalid, tho | |
| 03:13 | jcamins | zebran00b: I'm not saying the e-mail address is not right, I'm saying that Koha is trying to send to the wrong address on the patron account. There are three. |
| 03:13 | dcook | What does the syspref "AutoEmailPrimaryAddress" say? |
| 03:13 | zebran00b | first valid |
| 03:13 | why would it think it is invalid? | |
| 03:14 | jcamins | zebran00b: hmm. Never mind that theory. |
| 03:14 | Well, two of the three addresses associated with your patrnon are blank, right? | |
| 03:14 | zebran00b | yes |
| 03:14 | jcamins | So if it were trying one of those two, there would be no e-mail address. |
| 03:14 | But "first valid" should fix it. | |
| 03:15 | dcook | Mhm |
| 03:15 | Even with an invalid address, it should probably turn up in the message_queue | |
| 03:15 | Wait a tic... | |
| 03:15 | "if ( C4::Context->preference("AutoEmailOpacUser") == 1 && $newdata{'userid'} && $newdata{'password'}) {" | |
| 03:16 | So you've turned on "AutoEmailOpacUser" | |
| 03:16 | Have you specified a userid and password for the new patron? | |
| 03:16 | zebran00b | yes |
| 03:16 | I'm logged in as it now | |
| 03:18 | dcook | Sorry, I'm looking at the account detail notice instead |
| 03:18 | It might not appear in your message_queue, as I think it might send it directly rather than using the queue | |
| 03:19 | In which case, it might be in your junkmail or some such | |
| 03:19 | Especially if you're using kohalocalhost as the from address |
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| 03:19 | As for the holds... | |
| 03:20 | zebran00b | I just tried creating a new account with 3 different email addresses. I also copied the account detail notice to my library from "all libraries". Not seeing anything in message_queue, so I think you're right about direct send. |
| 03:21 | I specified a username and password when I created the new patron, btw | |
| 03:21 | dcook | As for the patron, I'm betting that patrons don't get emails when they place their own holds |
| 03:21 | After all, it would be a bit redundant to notify yourself that you put something on hold | |
| 03:21 | Yep. I think they just get emailed when a hold is filled. | |
| 03:22 | So...you're back to...checking your spam filters | |
| 03:22 | jcamins | EnhancedMessaging makes it possible to add that notice. |
| 03:22 | dcook | jcamins: Since when? |
| 03:22 | wahanui | Since when are you normal people? |
| 03:22 | jcamins | dcook: ages. |
| 03:22 | dcook | I only see "Hold filled" in EnhancedMessaging |
| 03:22 | jcamins | Hmmm. |
| 03:22 | dcook | Well, in 3.8 |
| 03:23 | jcamins | I thought I remembered seeing a patch for that. |
| 03:23 | Maybe not. | |
| 03:23 | dcook | You never know |
| 03:23 | zebran00b | no spam of any sort. |
| 03:23 | dcook | I'm just too lazy to start up my 3.12 vm |
| 03:23 | It's too choppy :/ | |
| 03:23 | jcamins | Yeah, HOLDPLACED. |
| 03:23 | dcook | Hmm, must be newer |
| 03:24 | Oh, I see the notice | |
| 03:24 | I think that's for librarians though | |
| 03:24 | jcamins | Oh, that may be. |
| 03:24 | dcook | Pretty sure |
| 03:26 | zebran00b: You're certain th at you have turned on "AutoEmailOpacUser"? | |
| 03:26 | * dcook | is going to give it a whirl on 3.8 |
| 03:26 | dcook | I thought I had issues with this a while ago too to be honest, but I might be misremembering |
| 03:26 | Oh wait... | |
| 03:26 | That ""AutoEmailPrimaryAddress"" syspref might not work for Account Details | |
| 03:26 | That was for... | |
| 03:26 | Oh wait, I think that was for account details | |
| 03:26 | zebran00b | dcook: yup, "AutoEmailOpacUser" is on. |
| 03:27 | dcook | Yeah, nevermind. Second guessing myself. |
| 03:27 | zebran00b | AutoEmailPrimaryAddress is first valid |
| 03:27 | KohaAdminEmailAddress is kohalocalhost |
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| 03:27 | dcook | Hmm, I just tried it on 3.8 and had no problem |
| 03:27 | zebran00b | emailLibrarianWhenHoldIsPlaced is enabled |
| 03:28 | should I try turning it on and off again? | |
| 03:28 | dcook | Nah |
| 03:28 | zebran00b | did anyway |
| 03:28 | dcook | Won't hurt |
| 03:30 | Tell you what...I'm going to try it on my package install | |
| 03:31 | Getting close to exhausting the easy possibilities though | |
| 03:32 | zebran00b | yeah, that's got me worried. |
| 03:32 | Already cataloged 18,000 records in this instance. | |
| 03:33 | dcook | How savvy are you with Perl? ;) |
| 03:33 | zebran00b | not |
| 03:33 | :( | |
| 03:33 | dcook | Good opportunity to learn :p |
| 03:33 | jcamins | I can tell you that I use packages exclusively in production, and e-mail has always worked perfectly. |
| 03:34 | Not that my clients use e-mail a lot, but when they do, it just works. So there may be something else going on. | |
| 03:35 | zebran00b | hmmm |
| 03:36 | we have apparently hooked up nullmailer with our Google Apps emails. Could that be interfering? | |
| 03:36 | jcamins | Probably. |
| 03:36 | I have never gotten nullmailer to work. | |
| 03:36 | And if you did, they will reject any messages that are not from one of the e-mail addresses you configured. | |
| 03:37 | zebran00b | aaaah |
| 03:37 | jcamins | Such as kohalocalhost. |
| 03:38 | dcook | Always handy to use valid email addresses |
| 03:39 | zebran00b | but I'm confused, isn't kohalocalhost a valid email address? |
| 03:39 | there is a linux account called koha with a mailbox. | |
| 03:39 | jcamins | Not outside your local computer. |
| 03:39 | But you said you set up nullmailer. | |
| 03:39 | zebran00b | someone else set up nullmailer |
| 03:39 | jcamins | Right. |
| 03:40 | But it is set up. | |
| 03:40 | zebran00b | I'm only just learning what it is :P |
| 03:40 | apparently | |
| 03:40 | jcamins | I have never been able to get it to work. |
| 03:40 | But my understanding of what it does is make it so that the local machine acts like it doesn't have any mail server at all. | |
| 03:41 | zebran00b | so if we remove nullmailer, koha should be able to send plain old emails? |
| 03:41 | jcamins | (local mail delivery doesn't go through a server; Koha does) |
| 03:41 | If you install a proper mail server, like Postfix. | |
| 03:41 | postfix? | |
| 03:41 | wahanui | postfix is found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Postfix (but you probably can skip the SASL stuff) or at http://www.postfix.org/documentation.html |
| 03:41 | jcamins | That's my guess, anyway. |
| 03:41 | zebran00b | our users have external email addresses though, so it wouldn't be local mail delivery |
| 03:41 | jcamins | You might change the return address to one of the addresses you have configured, and see if that helps. |
| 03:42 | (when you send a message to your real address) | |
| 03:42 | But it's late, and I need sleep. | |
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| 03:42 | zebran00b | thx jcamins dcook |
| 03:42 | dcook | Now that I think about it, weren't you saying those message_queue messages were marked as failed, zebran00b? |
| 03:42 | zebran00b | yes, failed |
| 03:42 | dcook | night jcamins |
| 03:43 | jcamins | Good night. |
| 03:43 | wahanui | I watch you sleep. |
| 03:43 | dcook | In that case, if the "to" address is valid, it's your mail server |
| 03:43 | jcamins | I know you do, wahanui, I know. |
| 03:43 | zebran00b | both when I had kohalocalhost and an external email address as the KohaAdminEmailAddress |
| 03:43 | nite jcamins | |
| 03:45 | dcook | In that case, zebran00b, its a bit too system specific for me to really help anymore |
| 03:46 | zebran00b | that's ok, dcook, you guys helped me narrow it down. |
| 03:46 | thx | |
| 03:46 | dcook | Note that Koha uses Sendmail.pm to send its email |
| 03:48 | If you do "locate Sendmail.pm" and open that in an editor, you'll be able to see more about the mail config, which might help whoever else helps you with figuring out your mail server issues | |
| 03:48 | That config might be overwritten in Koha, but...I don't think so | |
| 03:48 | I'm not super familiar with mail servers and sending email though | |
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| 04:07 | dcook | I wonder if my Debian vm will run faster headless... |
| 04:08 | Or if I need a Virtualbox upgrade | |
| 04:08 | The lag between my typing input and input on the screen is just a few microseconds too slow... | |
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| 05:14 | cait | good morning #koha |
| 05:16 | dcook | hey ya cait |
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| 05:28 | drojf | good morning #koha |
| 05:28 | dcook | morning drojf |
| 05:29 | drojf | hi dcook |
| 05:30 | cait | hi dcook |
| 05:30 | hi drojf | |
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| 05:31 | drojf | hi cait |
| 05:31 | hows the hold business? | |
| 05:32 | * cait | growls |
| 05:34 | * dcook | thinks he should probably have some lunch... |
| 05:35 | cait | dcook: the growl inspired you to hve lunch? |
| 05:37 | dcook | A little bit ;) |
| 05:37 | cait | drojf: the holds business is that i have no idea how to fix it. |
| 05:40 | drojf | let's abandon holds |
| 05:40 | who needs those? | |
| 05:42 | dcook | What's up with holds? |
| 05:43 | drojf | not much. anymore. |
| 05:43 | * drojf | hides |
| 05:54 | cait | dcook: bug 10663 |
| 05:54 | wahanui | bug 10663 is still puzzling me |
| 05:54 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10663 critical, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Holds never block renewals |
| 06:00 | * magnuse | waves |
| 06:02 | dcook | hey ya magnuse |
| 06:02 | cait: That doesn't sound good :/ | |
| 06:06 | Hmm, looks like I should've given my dev VM more space...almost out of room | |
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| 06:30 | alex_a | bonjour |
| 06:30 | wahanui | hola, alex_a |
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| 07:05 | gaetan_B | hello |
| 07:08 | dcook | salut gaetan_B |
| 07:08 | * dcook | is half-tempted to buy a new phone but $400 could be spent on other stuff... |
| 07:09 | dcook | wizzyrea: Your Nexus 4 looks so appealing! |
| 07:11 | gaetan_B | hi dcook |
| 07:11 | * gaetan_B | won't have the choice and will have to buy a new phone considering how the old one reacted to having chocolate mousse poured all over it |
| 07:12 | magnuse | what, it didn't like chocolate mousse?!? |
| 07:13 | dcook | It has bad taste, I think ;) |
| 07:15 | magnuse | sounds like it |
| 07:15 | wahanui | sounds like it is beer o'clock for you dcook? ;) |
| 07:15 | magnuse | well, if wahanui says so... |
| 07:15 | dcook | ... |
| 07:16 | I... | |
| 07:16 | Yes, wahanui. It certainly is beer o'clock for me. | |
| 07:16 | 5:16pm ^_^ | |
| 07:16 | Time to go get some new laptop RAM, grab some tofu, and cook for my sick wife | |
| 07:16 | must...stop...working | |
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| 07:22 | dcook | Ok, actually going |
| 07:22 | Night all | |
| 07:22 | wahanui | goodnight dcook. You'll be back. |
| 07:22 | dcook | Always, wahanui. Always. |
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| 07:24 | christophe_c | hello #koha |
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| 07:28 | kf | good morning #koha |
| 07:33 | magnuse | bonjour kf et christophe_c |
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| 07:37 | matts | hi ! |
| 07:37 | christophe_c | bonjour magnuse |
| 07:41 | kf | hi magnuse, matts and christophe_c |
| 07:41 | christophe_c | hi kf ;-) |
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| 07:59 | rangi | bug 8033 |
| 07:59 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8033 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, elliott, Failed QA , add print receipt option to Koha self-check |
| 08:02 | rangi | aka |
| 08:02 | how dare this software i have contributed nothing to behave in a way other than exactly how i like it, i demand you fix it for free right now | |
| 08:03 | * kf | offers cookies |
| 08:06 | rangi | heh |
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| 11:42 | * kf | waves |
| 11:47 | * jwagner | waves back so kf won't feel lonely.... |
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| 11:55 | * magnuse | waves too |
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| 12:26 | oleonard | Hi #koha |
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| 12:26 | kf | hi oleonard :) |
| 12:27 | magnuse | hiya oleonard |
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| 12:35 | tcohen | morning #koha |
| 12:35 | kf | good morning tcohen |
| 12:36 | tcohen | hi kf, |
| 12:36 | i'm doing the 3.8 > 3.12 upgrade right now :-D | |
| 12:36 | kf | hm |
| 12:37 | you know about bug 10663? | |
| 12:37 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10663 critical, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Holds never block renewals |
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| 12:37 | tcohen | i didn't, but i'll fix it then :-P |
| 12:37 | nothing will stop ths move right now | |
| 12:37 | kf | glad to hear you will fix it |
| 12:37 | ;) | |
| 12:37 | tcohen | its 38 instances |
| 12:37 | all waiting for me to finish | |
| 12:38 | closed academic libraries | |
| 12:38 | kf | no holds? |
| 12:38 | tcohen | and, we don't use holds (yet) |
| 12:38 | kf | aah lucky :) |
| 12:40 | tcohen | oh. you provided a fix |
| 12:41 | kf | not really |
| 12:41 | it's not fixable for title level holds i think | |
| 12:41 | well getreservestatus is, should not be used to check for reserved, | |
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| 13:07 | oleonard | You still fighting with holds today kf? |
| 13:10 | kf | today fighting with ils-di |
| 13:10 | jcamins: around? | |
| 13:10 | jcamins | Vaguely. |
| 13:10 | Until my breakfast finishes heating. | |
| 13:10 | What's up? | |
| 13:11 | kf | i am trying to write a unit test for AuthenticatePatron |
| 13:11 | http://git.koha-community.org/[…]/Services.pm#l307 | |
| 13:11 | jcamins | kf++ |
| 13:11 | kf | is there a way to do it? |
| 13:11 | i am stumbling on the cgi-param... | |
| 13:12 | jcamins | You can mock the cgi object. |
| 13:12 | kf | do we have an example somewhere? |
| 13:12 | jcamins | Create a CGI object, set the relevant params, and pass it in. |
| 13:12 | Nope. | |
| 13:12 | oleonard | Do not taunt the cgi object! |
| 13:12 | kf | that's bad |
| 13:12 | because then i have no idea how to start. hm. | |
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| 13:14 | mmm45 | hello |
| 13:14 | wahanui | que tal, mmm45 |
| 13:15 | mmm45 | i have some questions regarding ccsr and the mobile |
| 13:15 | jcamins | Maybe there's a Test::CGI. |
| 13:15 | I will check. | |
| 13:15 | CGI::Test? | |
| 13:15 | kf | do we already use that? |
| 13:15 | jcamins | No. |
| 13:15 | kf | *sigh* |
| 13:15 | i see | |
| 13:15 | this gets out of scope | |
| 13:15 | jcamins | And this is not what you want anyway. |
| 13:15 | mmm45 | once i change opacthemes from prog to ccsr |
| 13:16 | the regular browser looks very weird and not very nice on the phone either | |
| 13:16 | i am on version 3.12.2 | |
| 13:16 | jcamins | mmm45: do you have custom CSS? |
| 13:16 | mmm45 | i think there is some custom |
| 13:16 | oleonard | mmm45: Have you tried clearing your browser cache? Did you set the opaccolorstylesheet to "colors.css" ? |
| 13:16 | opaccolorstylesheet system preference, that is. | |
| 13:16 | mmm45 | i did set opaccolor to colors.css |
| 13:17 | yes, i have done that | |
| 13:17 | oleonard | mmm45: Is your opac public? Can we look? |
| 13:17 | mmm45 | are there any other changes in the pref that i need to do? |
| 13:18 | catalog-dev.uttyler.edu | |
| 13:18 | as compared to catalog.uttyler.edu | |
| 13:18 | right now i am messing with the testing site | |
| 13:18 | catalog-dev is on ccsr | |
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| 13:18 | mmm45 | and just catalog is on prog |
| 13:19 | jcamins | mmm45: in my experience, you have to redo all your custom CSS/JS when switching between the two. |
| 13:19 | ebegin | good morning / afternoon / night #koha ;) |
| 13:19 | oleonard | mmm45: I agree. It looks like an issue with your custom CSS. |
| 13:19 | mmm45 | so, find the custom and just start messing with it? |
| 13:20 | jcamins | I'd remove it all and start from a clean slate. |
| 13:21 | kf | jcamins: cookie? :) |
| 13:21 | mmm45 | i'm not sure where the custom code was done....to be very honest |
| 13:21 | jcamins | kf: ooh, yes. Have an amazing and subtle rosemary sugar cookie. |
| 13:21 | mmm45 | it was already like this when i took the job |
| 13:21 | look at opac.css? | |
| 13:21 | or basically everywhere? | |
| 13:21 | jcamins | mmm45: if you didn't hand-build your packages, I'd guess it's probably customized in the usual way, through the database. |
| 13:22 | If it's not there, then, yeah, I have no idea where to look. | |
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| 13:22 | mmm45 | do i need to add anything under opaclayoutstylesheet? |
| 13:23 | oleonard | mmm45: opacUserCSS system pref maybe? |
| 13:23 | mmm45 | that might be part of it |
| 13:23 | kf | jcamins: was more thinking about bribing you... |
| 13:23 | but i see that the changes are low. | |
| 13:24 | mmm45 | thank you so much.....i will keep looking |
| 13:27 | kf | chances.. |
| 13:27 | wahanui | chances are good i'd wager the same behavior out of patron cards as well |
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| 13:40 | kf | bye all :) |
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| 13:47 | tcohen | 50% done :-D |
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| 14:06 | oleonard | Ugh, suggestions are SUCH A MESS |
| 14:06 | We should get rid of ALL the organize/filter options altogether and put them all in one big table | |
| 14:07 | jcamins | oleonard: would that help? |
| 14:08 | oleonard | At leats they would all be in once place and you wouldn't have to wonder whether you hadn't chosen the right filter option |
| 14:09 | If I choose to "organize by library," why do I get one tab labeled "unknown" ? | |
| 14:10 | If I "organize by 'managed by'" I get *two* tabs labeled "unknown!" | |
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| 14:13 | gmcharlt | oleonard: indeed; IIRC, cait has been poking at it |
| 14:25 | oleonard | Should one wait to mark a bug 'fixed' until it has been pushed to 3.10.x? 3.8.x? |
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| 14:27 | * oleonard | finds Bug 10519 |
| 14:27 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10519 normal, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, Signed Off , Suggestions: 'Organize by' and correct display of tab descriptions broken |
| 14:55 | oleonard | Can you git-bz attach multiple patches at once? |
| 14:56 | jcamins | oleonard: I don't know how to. |
| 14:56 | gmcharlt | oleonard: yes |
| 14:56 | git bz attach -e 1234 HEAD^^^^..HEAD | |
| 14:57 | adjust the number of ^ for how far back you want to go | |
| 14:58 | oleonard | Thanks gmcharlt |
| 14:59 | * oleonard | will have to put the git bz test bug to use |
| 14:59 | gmcharlt | git-bz test bug? |
| 14:59 | ... | |
| 15:00 | wahanui: git-bz test bug is bug 6473 | |
| 15:00 | wahanui | OK, gmcharlt. |
| 15:00 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6473 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, wizzyrea, Signed Off , Test bug for Git-bz |
| 15:00 | gmcharlt | git-bz test bug? |
| 15:00 | wahanui | git-bz test bug is bug 6473 |
| 15:01 | gmcharlt | jcamins: I'm not sure http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]g.cgi?id=6473#c89 has nearly enough signoffs |
| 15:01 | ;) | |
| 15:01 | huginn` | 04Bug 6473: enhancement, P5 - low, ---, wizzyrea, Signed Off , Test bug for Git-bz |
| 15:04 | jcamins | gmcharlt: and you know what's really terrible? I've just been told that script isn't working for a user, so I'm about to go through that again! |
| 15:04 | gmcharlt | heh |
| 15:22 | tcohen | heh |
| 15:23 | UNC rebooting (IP change) to go live using 3.12 in | |
| 15:23 | 3 | |
| 15:23 | 2 | |
| 15:23 | 1 | |
| 15:24 | and... | |
| 15:25 | we are online! YAY | |
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| 15:51 | jcamins | Okay, that worked. |
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| 16:55 | oleonard | So, Bug 9223 partially resurrected, but still needs work. |
| 16:55 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9223 normal, P5 - low, ---, fridolyn.somers, Needs Signoff , Multiple values of AdvancedSearchTypes in suggestions |
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| 18:24 | tcohen | @seen kf |
| 18:24 | huginn` | tcohen: kf was last seen in #koha 4 hours, 43 minutes, and 23 seconds ago: <kf> bye all :) |
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| 18:37 | jcamins | windows-- |
| 18:37 | ie-- | |
| 18:38 | Oh, wow. | |
| 18:38 | oleonard | You'll have to go elsewhere if you're looking to pick a fight jcamins |
| 18:38 | jcamins | There's "broken" and then there's "BROKEN." |
| 18:39 | This is the latter. | |
| 18:39 | gmcharlt | oleonard++ |
| 18:39 | jcamins | Wow wow wow wow. |
| 18:40 | gmcharlt | @quote add <jcamins> windows-- <jcamins> ie-- <oleonard> You'll have to go elsewhere if you're looking to pick a fight jcamins |
| 18:40 | huginn` | gmcharlt: The operation succeeded. Quote #268 added. |
| 18:41 | jcamins | JSON is undefined? |
| 18:41 | wtf? | |
| 18:42 | AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!! | |
| 18:42 | wtf? | |
| 18:42 | drojf | what the fun is going on here? hi #koha |
| 18:43 | jcamins | drojf: IE doesn't support JSON. |
| 18:45 | * drojf | does not support IE |
| 18:46 | drojf | so, why do you use it? and… really, like "not at all"? |
| 18:46 | there is probably some "superior" windows data format around i never heard of? ;= | |
| 18:46 | ;) | |
| 18:47 | jcamins | drojf: I don't want there to be an error if someone tries to use IE despite having been told not to. |
| 18:47 | drojf | then use a microsoft approved data format :P |
| 18:48 | jcamins | drojf: and, not at all. |
| 18:48 | pianohacker | use XML! It'll inflate your code for no real benefits, but XML! |
| 18:48 | jcamins | There is no JSON object. |
| 18:49 | pianohacker | You aren't dealing with some weird compatibility or quirks mode, are you? |
| 18:49 | drojf | http://stackoverflow.com/quest[…]-explorer#5339285 ?! |
| 18:50 | jcamins | pianohacker: no, I am, I just get annoyed by them, every time. |
| 18:50 | drojf: yeah, that's what I found. | |
| 18:54 | drojf | pianohacker: there is an IE that is not generally some weird compatibility quirks mode |
| 18:54 | ? | |
| 18:54 | pianohacker | if you read enough MSDN, sure |
| 18:55 | drojf | no, thanks ;) |
| 18:57 | jcamins | Wow, wow, wow, wow. This is impressive. Truly. |
| 18:57 | IE's rendering is the Weirdest Ever. | |
| 19:01 | Man, that's dreadful. | |
| 19:01 | But my paging works in IE. | |
| 19:02 | To the extent that anything works, at least. | |
| 19:06 | pianohacker: I think this browser has not read MSDN enough: http://screencast.com/t/i8m0Ze8nSC | |
| 19:07 | pianohacker | What? It's like their bidi display engine is rand()%2 |
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| 19:59 | * oleonard | tiptoes out |
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| 20:11 | cait | hi #koha |
| 20:13 | pianohacker | yo cait :) |
| 20:14 | I had a quick q for ya actually | |
| 20:14 | cait | hm? |
| 20:15 | pianohacker | you mentioned that the XML data for the new cataloging plugins had some issues with translation |
| 20:15 | Have any efforts been made towards fixing that? | |
| 20:16 | cait | yes |
| 20:16 | i think bgkriegel fixed it | |
| 20:21 | tcohen | hi cait |
| 20:21 | cait | hi tcohen := |
| 20:21 | :) | |
| 20:21 | tcohen | is that work on 3.12.3 already cait? |
| 20:22 | cait | i think so |
| 20:22 | i think it went into 3.12 | |
| 20:22 | brb | |
| 20:22 | tcohen | we are live using 3.12 and happy, had some weirdness related to extended patron attributes |
| 20:22 | jcamins | Yes, it was down to the wire, but I think that was the last patch I pushed prior to string freeze. |
| 20:27 | tcohen | you're right jcamins, I pushed some typo patches for that work, for release 3.12.1 |
| 20:40 | jcamins | sleep? |
| 20:40 | wahanui | somebody said sleep was an addiction that can be cured! |
| 20:40 | jcamins | sleep? |
| 20:40 | wahanui | sleep is an addiction that can be cured! |
| 20:40 | jcamins | Huh. |
| 20:41 | cait | :) |
| 20:41 | so what's the trick? | |
| 20:42 | tcohen | i need to push a trivial string patch, |
| 20:42 | * cait | needs to qa something |
| 20:42 | tcohen | why can't i just mark as pushed to stable? |
| 20:43 | cait | some status are linked together |
| 20:43 | jcamins | tcohen: you have to go through Pushed to master first. |
| 20:43 | cait | might be you have to set another status first - rangi can change it i think |
| 20:43 | jcamins | IT's the workflow. |
| 20:43 | *It's | |
| 20:43 | tcohen | </rmaint rant> |
| 20:43 | i'm mentioning vimal (livecd manager) | |
| 20:46 | jcamins | jcamins? |
| 20:46 | wahanui | somebody said jcamins was the brilliant and irascible President of the United States. |
| 20:46 | jcamins | jcamins? |
| 20:46 | wahanui | somebody said jcamins was the best cookie-chef in #koha. |
| 20:46 | jcamins | jcamins? |
| 20:46 | wahanui | ask him about serials and/or acquisitions. |
| 20:46 | jcamins | jcamins? |
| 20:46 | wahanui | you are RM for 3.12, and just about the only one crazy enough to work on major projects in both authorities and search. |
| 20:46 | jcamins | jcamins? |
| 20:46 | wahanui | i guess jcamins is too young to be the President of the United States. Which is a pity, because he had the votes at the 3.12 election. |
| 20:46 | jcamins | jcamins? |
| 20:46 | wahanui | it has been said that jcamins is a spoilsport |
| 20:46 | jcamins | jcamins? |
| 20:46 | wahanui | somebody said jcamins was too young to be the President of the United States. Which is a pity, because he had the votes at the 3.12 election. |
| 20:46 | jcamins | Someone's been playing with what wahanui knows about me. |
| 20:50 | cait | tcohen++ |
| 20:50 | tcohen | do u people have robots.txt on your koha sites? |
| 20:50 | jcamins | I do. |
| 20:50 | tcohen | google likes to hammer our servers, i noticed during the upgrade (new server, no robots.txt) |
| 20:51 | cait | tcohen: i think soe have, we don't afaik |
| 20:51 | jcamins | At some point I'll put up site maps. |
| 20:52 | cait | hmmm |
| 20:59 | jenkins_koha | Starting build #77 for job Koha_3.12.x (previous build: SUCCESS) |
| 20:59 | tcohen | don't waste cpu cycles jenkins_koha |
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| 21:14 | bgkriegel | Hi! |
| 21:14 | tcohen | hi bgkriegel |
| 21:16 | jcamins | Wait... this is IE8. |
| 21:17 | drojf | *already |
| 21:18 | jcamins | Well, the minified JS doesn't not work, so I think I don't care that IE8 appears to go into paroxysms of quirkiness. |
| 21:21 | drojf | livedvd business is complicated ;) |
| 21:22 | tcohen | oh |
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| 21:36 | jcamins | Hehe. |
| 21:37 | jenkins_koha | Project Koha_3.12.x build #77: SUCCESS in 38 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]b/Koha_3.12.x/77/ |
| 21:37 | Tomas Cohen Arazi: Bug 10669 - LiveDVD manager for 3.12 missing in about page | |
| 21:37 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10669 trivial, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Pushed to Stable , LiveDVD manager for 3.12 missing in about page |
| 21:37 | tcohen | heheh |
| 21:37 | dedicated to drojf | |
| 21:38 | drojf | rofl |
| 21:38 | sweet | |
| 21:39 | jcamins | And that's why you should always avoid buying gouda on Sundays. |
| 21:42 | drojf | i'd like power meter cover images! |
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| 23:27 | dcook | morning #koha |
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| 23:32 | dcook | Just started reading about digital preservation by the NSLA: http://www.nsla.org.au/project[…]ital-preservation |
| 23:32 | Apparently, Australia is going to (or already has) changed legal deposit to include digital items O_O | |
| 23:32 | rangi | http://www.geonet.org.nz/quake[…]aland/2013p572878 |
| 23:33 | bouncy bouncy | |
| 23:33 | jcamins | Are they going to convert everything to MARC? |
| 23:33 | dcook | :p |
| 23:33 | jcamins | Because I was just thinking... |
| 23:33 | we should use more marc | |
| 23:33 | wahanui | http://02varvara.files.wordpre[…]no-bear.jpg?w=800 |
| 23:33 | dcook | The project manager actually looks quite competent |
| 23:34 | rangi: Any idea about how long the quakes are supposed to continue? | |
| 23:34 | rangi | months |
| 23:34 | dcook | Wind/rain storms, earthquakes, what else is going on |
| 23:35 | jcamins | Yikes. |
| 23:35 | rangi | http://www.geonet.org.nz/quake[…]ealand/statistics |
| 23:35 | we get like 20k a year | |
| 23:35 | but you dont feel most of them | |
| 23:35 | dcook | Yeah, most of those look pretty small |
| 23:36 | Apparently, I was in a few in Vancouver but I never felt any of those either | |
| 23:36 | Even though the innards of buildings around me were apparently shaken quite badly O_o | |
| 23:36 | Maybe I'm just used to having sea legs... | |
| 23:37 | jcamins | I have experienced two earthquakes. One in Kabul, when everyone just assumed it was an explosion, and one in New York from a quake down in VA. Other than that, I've managed to avoid them. I don't think I'd like 20k/year. |
| 23:38 | pianohacker | Good night, all |
| 23:38 | dcook | New Zealanders are made of tough stuff (even if they don't feel many of them) |
| 23:38 | night pianohacker | |
| 23:38 | have a good one | |
| 23:38 | pianohacker | bye dcook |
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