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| Time | Nick | Message |
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| 00:02 | mtompset | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C[…]ext_Generation%29 |
| 00:02 | I still think it is could be you, dcook. ;) | |
| 00:02 | pianohacker | Buenas noches all |
| 00:02 | dcook | Ok... |
| 00:02 | night pianohacker | |
| 00:03 | mtompset | Good night, pianohacker. |
| 00:10 | mcooper joined #koha | |
| 00:12 | mrx joined #koha | |
| 00:16 | bigbrovar_ joined #koha | |
| 01:05 | NateC joined #koha | |
| 01:55 | jcamins | Wow. |
| 01:55 | Those orange-mint sugar cookies are magnificent. | |
| 01:58 | mtompset | ARG! What are my two parameters disappearing into thin air?! |
| 01:58 | ^what^why^ | |
| 01:58 | jcamins | mtompset: insufficient orange-mint. |
| 01:58 | Fortunately, my cookies do not share that problem. | |
| 01:58 | mtompset | not allowed on my diet. :( |
| 01:59 | dcook | Mmm orange-mint sugar cookies. |
| 01:59 | jcamins | You can't have orange-mint? |
| 01:59 | mtompset | no sugar allowed. |
| 01:59 | jcamins | Orange-mint is an herb. |
| 01:59 | mtompset | fake sugars fine, but not sugars. |
| 01:59 | cookies are sugar. | |
| 02:00 | jcamins | Right, but your problem is the lacking orange-mint. |
| 02:00 | mtompset | also, not allowed fruits in this phase of my diet. |
| 02:00 | jcamins | No fruit involved. |
| 02:00 | mtompset | or is orange-mint a particular kind of mint? |
| 02:00 | jcamins | It's a variety of mint. |
| 02:00 | mtompset | then I should be allowed that. :) |
| 02:01 | OH SHOOT! | |
| 02:01 | * dcook | 's stomach grumbles. |
| 02:01 | mtompset | The soft drink I am drinking, I thought was diet. |
| 02:01 | dcook | :O |
| 02:02 | mtompset | Now I need to do a strict water only! |
| 02:02 | And exercise like crazy! | |
| 02:02 | dcook | Strict water and exercise probably make sense already |
| 02:02 | * dcook | says somewhat hypocritically...having not exercised much lately |
| 02:02 | dcook | There might be 5 soda cans near me as well... |
| 02:02 | Usually, I'm a water only sort of person though. | |
| 02:03 | Well, water and beer | |
| 02:03 | mtompset | ARG! I had 66g of sugar! |
| 02:03 | dcook | O_o |
| 02:03 | Holy crap. What were you drinking? | |
| 02:03 | I thought a can of soda had ~42g | |
| 02:03 | Wow...my cherry coke had exactly 42g | |
| 02:03 | cjh | depends on how large a 'can' is |
| 02:03 | dcook | American can :) |
| 02:03 | 355 ml | |
| 02:03 | 12 fl oz | |
| 02:03 | mtompset | oh shoot... more. |
| 02:04 | cjh | dcook: so a small can :p |
| 02:04 | dcook | cjh: Yep. An imported can ;) |
| 02:04 | mtompset | curses! My diet is ruined for today. |
| 02:04 | dcook | Run around the block out of the question? |
| 02:04 | Oooh...I should start doing that | |
| 02:05 | cjh | find 12 flights of stairs, that will sort it out. |
| 02:05 | dcook | There is a racetrack and outdoor gym just across the street from the office |
| 02:05 | * dcook | runs around the racetrack. Not in it...poor dogs :( |
| 02:05 | tcohen joined #koha | |
| 02:05 | dcook | \o tcohen |
| 02:05 | cjh | tcohen: hello there :) |
| 02:05 | tcohen | hi cjh dcook |
| 02:06 | i've just arrived home, after a two hour tennis match | |
| 02:06 | cjh | nice |
| 02:06 | dcook | Playing or watching? |
| 02:06 | tcohen | being here is a symptom of madness |
| 02:06 | * dcook | has never played tennis, so that might be a ridiculous question |
| 02:06 | mtompset | Greetings tcohen |
| 02:06 | tcohen | winning :-D |
| 02:06 | dcook | :D |
| 02:06 | cjh | congrats |
| 02:07 | dcook | Certainly a symptom of madness, but you're in good company ;) |
| 02:07 | mtompset | so, can anyone explain how a perl function seemingly ignores two parameters passed to it? |
| 02:07 | dcook | I'd suggest it was a mistake that the coder made :p |
| 02:07 | Depends on how you're picking up the parameters? | |
| 02:07 | shift or @_? | |
| 02:07 | mtompset | it's losing it both ways! |
| 02:08 | dcook | Sounds bizarre. You're sure it's actually being passed in intact? |
| 02:08 | mtompset | The print is right after the @_ |
| 02:09 | dcook | Right, but are you printing before you pass it to the function? |
| 02:09 | Maybe it's getting "lost" before it makes it there | |
| 02:09 | cjh | mtompset: post the code to a pastebin |
| 02:09 | mtompset | I'm passing 'stupid' and 'mtompset' as hard coded strings. |
| 02:09 | dcook | lol |
| 02:09 | cjh | mtompset: ideone.com |
| 02:09 | dcook | Neato |
| 02:11 | Not sure, mtompset. I'd have to see it to figure it out. | |
| 02:11 | jcamins: Do you bake while you code? | |
| 02:11 | As in, you whip it together and bake it while you work? | |
| 02:11 | jcamins | dcook: sometimes. |
| 02:11 | dcook | I can't stop thinking about orange-mint sugar cookies now... |
| 02:11 | jcamins | Not this time because the cookies were kind of high-maintenance. |
| 02:12 | pastebot | "mtompset" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "where is the 'stupid' 'mtompset'?!" (25 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/136 |
| 02:14 | mtompset | Any ideas? |
| 02:14 | wahanui | Any ideas are welcome :) |
| 02:15 | jcamins | Yeah, this came out really well. |
| 02:15 | cjh | mtompset: are you sure that is the code you are running? |
| 02:16 | mtompset | I'll put extra prints in... just a second. |
| 02:16 | dcook | Yeah...I don't see anything for flagsrequired either |
| 02:16 | I'm thinking you're running a different checkauth | |
| 02:16 | I know there are a few | |
| 02:16 | I beat myself up over that one once | |
| 02:17 | cjh | although if you added that print then it must be the one you think |
| 02:17 | my guess was your PERL5LIB was wrong, but that doesn't work if you added the print statement yourself. | |
| 02:18 | mtompset: since you aren't using shift you could also use Data::Dumper; die Dumper @_; | |
| 02:18 | mtompset | Hmmm.... strange... |
| 02:19 | maybe my hack.pl isn't the right onw. | |
| 02:19 | one. | |
| 02:19 | cjh | it looks like you are seeing the output for some other called to checkauth, I can't see anything wrong with your arg handling or how you are calling it. |
| 02:20 | s/called/call/ # my typing is rubbish | |
| 02:28 | jenkins_koha | Starting build #18 for job master_maria (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE) |
| 02:31 | mtompset | the advantage of sharing code... you can toss everything away, pull back your shared copy and restart. Maybe a fresh look will solve this. :) |
| 02:57 | YES! | |
| 02:57 | I'm made a step closer to cleaner code. | |
| 02:58 | ^I'm^I've^ | |
| 02:58 | But clearly my grammar has not. | |
| 03:08 | jenkins_koha | Project master_maria build #18: STILL UNSTABLE in 40 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]/master_maria/18/ |
| 03:20 | mtompset | YAY! No more hardcoded ip addresses in my hack. :) |
| 03:35 | * dcook | wonders who wrote the MARC bibliographic framework test |
| 03:35 | dcook | These are some...not very helpful warnings |
| 03:36 | jcamins | dcook: if you have a complaint, I have a guess. |
| 03:36 | dcook | hehe |
| 03:36 | * jcamins | was wrong. |
| 03:37 | jenkins_koha | Starting build #19 for job master_maria (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE) |
| 03:38 | dcook | It probably makes sense...somehow |
| 03:55 | Obscure messages almost done.. | |
| 03:55 | I'm sure this one makes some sort of sense: "There is more than 1 MARC tag related to items tab (10) : 952,999," | |
| 03:56 | Ah, got it | |
| 03:56 | Done! ^_^ | |
| 03:56 | With the exception of the biblionumber warning...the rest made sense in the end? Sort of.. | |
| 03:57 | Hmm, still getting a software error... | |
| 03:58 | wizzyrea | what's the error? |
| 03:58 | pastebot | "dcook" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "When I try to add an item..." (9 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/137 |
| 03:58 | dcook | But the other one that I noticed first is... |
| 03:59 | pastebot | "dcook" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "When I try to edit an item..." (3 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/138 |
| 03:59 | dcook | I figure the framework is quite wonky |
| 04:01 | wizzyrea | did you remove the mapping to koha item type? |
| 04:01 | dcook | Something hidden that shouldn't be hidden, me thinks |
| 04:01 | wizzyrea | deleted more likely |
| 04:01 | dcook | The mappings look all right from what I can tell |
| 04:01 | Both in Koha => Marc mapping, and the framework | |
| 04:08 | mcooper joined #koha | |
| 04:09 | dcook | Nuked the framework and uploaded a new one. |
| 04:09 | Problem solved. | |
| 04:09 | wizzyrea | hehe |
| 04:10 | much easier than trying to figure out what you've deleted | |
| 04:10 | :P | |
| 04:10 | dcook | I didn't delete anything :p |
| 04:10 | wizzyrea | you = the person who did it, not you in the specific |
| 04:10 | ^.^ | |
| 04:10 | dcook | Ah, yes, well, right then. |
| 04:10 | ;) | |
| 04:10 | wizzyrea | easier than trying to figure out what the person who deleted the fields deleted. |
| 04:10 | there. | |
| 04:10 | dcook | Actually... |
| 04:11 | It might've been that original framework error | |
| 04:11 | And then it might've been fixed by fixing the framework | |
| 04:11 | But I didn't flush the cache | |
| 04:11 | I just did after uploading the new framework as stuff still seemed borked | |
| 04:11 | wizzyrea | ah could be |
| 04:12 | dcook | Hmm |
| 04:18 | jenkins_koha | Project master_maria build #19: STILL UNSTABLE in 40 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]/master_maria/19/ |
| 04:18 | dcook | Booo |
| 04:18 | Go on master_maria! | |
| 04:18 | rangi | http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]Build/testReport/ |
| 04:18 | only those failing | |
| 04:19 | dcook | Oooh. Nearly there, eh? |
| 04:19 | rangi | yep |
| 04:19 | (upgrading jenkins now) | |
| 04:21 | dcook | :D |
| 04:21 | rangi++ | |
| 04:22 | jenkins_koha joined #koha | |
| 04:26 | dcook | wb jenkins_koha :) |
| 04:27 | bag | evening |
| 04:27 | dcook | hola bag |
| 04:27 | How's life? | |
| 04:27 | bag | heya david |
| 04:27 | whoops heya dcook | |
| 04:27 | dcook | hehe |
| 04:27 | bag | going well |
| 04:27 | dcook | My secret identity revealed! |
| 04:27 | bag | how about you? |
| 04:27 | dcook | Not too shabby. It's Friday here :) |
| 04:27 | Also had a really nice lunch | |
| 04:28 | flat rice noodles with chili and basil | |
| 04:28 | THEawesome | whoops secert identity revealed |
| 04:28 | heh | |
| 04:28 | dcook | :p |
| 04:28 | bag | ah I had a nice dinner a few hours ago :P |
| 04:29 | dcook | @wunder santa barbara |
| 04:29 | huginn` | dcook: Error: No such location could be found. |
| 04:29 | bag | dcook: it's almost beer time friday there :) |
| 04:29 | dcook | :D |
| 04:29 | bag | @wunder sba |
| 04:29 | huginn` | bag: The current temperature in Santa Barbara, California is 17.0°C (8:53 PM PDT on July 25, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 84%. Dew Point: 14.0°C. Pressure: 29.95 in 1014 hPa (Rising). |
| 04:29 | dcook | @wunder sydney, australia |
| 04:29 | huginn` | dcook: The current temperature in Sydney, New South Wales is 19.0°C (2:00 PM EST on July 26, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 28%. Dew Point: 0.0°C. Pressure: 30.21 in 1023 hPa (Steady). |
| 04:29 | dcook | I was telling my wife last night that it's going to be colder in Canada after Kohacon than it's here right now |
| 04:30 | She looked rather shocked :p | |
| 04:30 | http://gocanada.about.com/od/m[…]nov_in_Vancou.htm | |
| 04:30 | 7 degrees might be a bit of a shock.. | |
| 04:31 | THEawesome, I guess it's already beer o'clock there? | |
| 04:32 | bag | it's 9:30pm |
| 04:32 | so it's more like whiskey time and bedtime :) | |
| 04:33 | dcook | :D |
| 04:33 | How're your ladies doing? Ginny's 1 year slideshow was cute | |
| 04:40 | mtj: You still alive? | |
| 04:44 | bag | Ginny is doing great |
| 04:44 | and Sonja just defended her dissertation with success so she is now DR Sonja :) | |
| 04:44 | pretty cool | |
| 04:44 | Sonja++ | |
| 04:44 | @karma Sonja | |
| 04:44 | huginn` | bag: Karma for "Sonja" has been increased 4 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 4. |
| 04:45 | bag | nice nice :) way to go Wonja |
| 04:45 | HA | |
| 04:45 | Sonja | |
| 04:45 | @karma Elizabeth | |
| 04:45 | huginn` | bag: Karma for "Elizabeth" has been increased 5 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 5. |
| 04:45 | bag | :D |
| 04:47 | dcook | Awesome! That's great to hear :) |
| 04:48 | Hmm, I need more vim foo | |
| 04:51 | These merge conflicts are child's play...this is great | |
| 04:58 | * dcook | would love if this z39.50 authority searching got in |
| 04:58 | dcook | Both for the functionality and to add 713 insertions to my stats... |
| 05:46 | Rar... | |
| 05:49 | Hmm, I wonder.. | |
| 05:51 | Bloody auto-merge.. | |
| 05:55 | Huzzah | |
| 05:58 | MaxSayre joined #koha | |
| 06:01 | MaxSayre | Hi folks. Looks a bit quiet. I was just curious if anyone had ever migrated from Bibliotech (http://v8.bibliotech.com.au/) to Koha before. So I can avoid any pitfalls someone else might have come across. :) |
| 06:02 | dcook | It is pretty quiet at the moment. Alas, I've never done that before, so I'm of no help :/ |
| 06:03 | MaxSayre | No worries. I wasn't expecting a written documentation or a step by step. :) |
| 06:03 | Thanks for the response all the same. From the looks of it, importing book data via USMARC/MARC is probably the simplest way to go. | |
| 06:04 | dcook | Well, not so much simplest as only really |
| 06:05 | MaxSayre | Ha. Yeah. Well, that too. |
| 06:05 | dcook | I haven't checked the link but does Bibliotech have MARC exports? |
| 06:05 | MaxSayre | Sorta. |
| 06:05 | Not exactly. | |
| 06:05 | dcook | If you can only export a CSV, you can either use MarcEdit, your own customized script, or... |
| 06:05 | MaxSayre | Yeah. MarcEdit was going to be my choice. |
| 06:05 | dcook | There is a "csvtomarc.pl" script out there somewhere too |
| 06:06 | MaxSayre | My concern is that of patrons who have existing books out though. ie, students who don't return them before summer. |
| 06:06 | I assume the solution is print a list and refer to it until it's clear? hah | |
| 06:07 | dcook | To be honest, that's something I've wondered about myself |
| 06:07 | MaxSayre | I was considering the migration mid-year and wasn't sure how to handle that. Importing patrons, yes. Importing books, yes. Keeping track of books already checked out.... ehhhhhh |
| 06:08 | dcook | It might be worth posing that question to the listserv |
| 06:08 | I'd love to know the answer as well | |
| 06:08 | MaxSayre | I haven't found a way (yet) to say... csv... UserX has BookX, BookY, BookZ... etc etc etc |
| 06:09 | Not a bad idea. | |
| 06:09 | dcook | Hmm |
| 06:09 | There wouldn't be any way to do it in the MARC data (afaik) | |
| 06:09 | However, you might be able to do a custom script after the fact | |
| 06:10 | So long as you're able to retain some sort of identifier between your items in the old system and in Koha | |
| 06:10 | So that you could load up User X has BookX, BookY, BookZ | |
| 06:10 | Then scan Koha for those items and check them out to those borrowers programmatically | |
| 06:10 | I've never heard of anyone doing that, but...it'd be one way...and maybe someone does that | |
| 06:11 | MaxSayre | Well, I was thinking more a of a CSV assignment than actually going back through to re-check them out. |
| 06:11 | dcook | Hmm, actually, that might work... |
| 06:11 | Consider this... | |
| 06:12 | How to explain.. | |
| 06:12 | In the end, your items are going to exist as 952 tags in MARCXML | |
| 06:12 | Perhaps you could include a non-standard subfield that contains a patron identifer | |
| 06:13 | Then, after you upload into the catalogue...you run a script that loops through your items and performs the checkouts | |
| 06:13 | MaxSayre | That's a possibility. |
| 06:13 | dcook | I mean...I guess you wouldn't have to do that...but then you would have data in the system |
| 06:13 | Saying X has Y until ZZZZ | |
| 06:13 | But I probably wouldn't listen to me :p | |
| 06:13 | MaxSayre | Ha. |
| 06:13 | dcook | How many items are you looking at? |
| 06:13 | MaxSayre | I hadn't even considered the date. |
| 06:14 | I'm not sure I care when they're due as long as we know who has them out. | |
| 06:14 | Honestly, probably not so many. | |
| 06:14 | But I'm going to be migrating 4 schools (I hope), so streamlining that process would be useful. | |
| 06:14 | dcook | Oh snap... |
| 06:14 | MaxSayre | If it was only the once... meh, I'd probably do it by hand. |
| 06:15 | dcook | There is a "q" subfield for "checked out" |
| 06:15 | So you can at least flag that the item is checked out | |
| 06:15 | MaxSayre | HA |
| 06:15 | But to a particular patron? :P | |
| 06:15 | dcook | Although your system might act oddly if you use that.. |
| 06:15 | Nope | |
| 06:15 | Probably a date | |
| 06:15 | 4 schools? Sounds like more than a few things then | |
| 06:16 | MaxSayre | If I had to give the librarian(s) a list of a checked out books, it could be done. |
| 06:16 | Just more manual labor. | |
| 06:16 | dcook | That's probably your best bet |
| 06:16 | But...put it to the lists | |
| 06:16 | http://koha-community.org/supp[…]ha-mailing-lists/ | |
| 06:16 | MaxSayre | 2000 kids, roughly. |
| 06:16 | dcook | Specifically koha-devel |
| 06:16 | MaxSayre | Yeah, I just Googled those. :P |
| 06:16 | dcook | http://lists.koha-community.or[…]stinfo/koha-devel |
| 06:16 | MaxSayre++ | |
| 06:17 | MaxSayre | Hah. Gold star on my jacket from a teacher the other day. I must be doing something right. :P |
| 06:18 | dcook | \o/ |
| 06:18 | Whereabouts are these schools? | |
| 06:18 | MaxSayre | Anyway, thanks for the help. Brainstorming is always better with more than one person. Hah. |
| 06:18 | Melbourne area. | |
| 06:19 | dcook | Cool :) |
| 06:19 | * dcook | is up in Sydney |
| 06:19 | dcook | You're welcome. Sorry I couldn't be of more help. |
| 06:19 | MaxSayre | I'm only here for a few more weeks? Then moving to the UK. Hah. |
| 06:19 | dcook | Are the schools running Koha themselves? |
| 06:20 | MaxSayre | Nah. No worries. Talking to someone always sparks some good ideas. |
| 06:20 | Not yet, but will be. I'll just run up a new VM. | |
| 06:21 | Was considering Active Directory integration, but the manual on that says "good luck"... so it's not an exciting idea. :P | |
| 06:21 | dcook | hehe |
| 06:21 | MaxSayre | You have someone running Koha some where? |
| 06:21 | dcook | Interesting. I'm always interested in institutions running their own Koha. |
| 06:22 | We just recently did an Active Directory integration. It was...interesting | |
| 06:22 | I work for one of the paid support companies | |
| 06:22 | MaxSayre | The Bibliotech system hasn't been updated since 2009 and the schools pay licensing... and the support isn't all that great... meh. |
| 06:22 | dcook | We have a lot of someones running Koha |
| 06:22 | MaxSayre | Ah. Fair enough. |
| 06:22 | dcook | Ah, well, I'm glad they're switching to Koha |
| 06:22 | MaxSayre | Hiccups with the AD? |
| 06:22 | dcook | Much better system and much better support :) |
| 06:23 | MaxSayre | It's an option, and the best one so far. |
| 06:23 | dcook | I think the issue with AD was the LDAP. |
| 06:23 | MaxSayre | One of the schools I worked with opted for their own choice and it's just as out of date as Bibliotech, so, meh. |
| 06:23 | Ah. | |
| 06:23 | dcook | Mostly configuration stuff with passwords and somethign else with account generation, I think |
| 06:23 | Mmm, well, Koha has a solid past, present, and future | |
| 06:24 | MaxSayre | Yeah, I noticed that. |
| 06:24 | dcook | So you're setting them up and then they'll maintain it themselves? |
| 06:24 | MaxSayre | The whole active development thing is a big encouragment. |
| 06:24 | dcook | They have their own in-house IT folks? |
| 06:24 | I know, right? ;) | |
| 06:24 | MaxSayre | I am the in-house IT. |
| 06:24 | dcook | But you're moving to the UK |
| 06:24 | Are you telecommuting or is someone new coming in? | |
| 06:24 | MaxSayre | I'm getting replaced. :P |
| 06:24 | dcook | Whew |
| 06:25 | I'd feel bad if they were left without no one | |
| 06:25 | MaxSayre | I'm sure they'll live. Hah. |
| 06:25 | dcook | Well, it can be tough for non-tech people to upgrade and manage it |
| 06:25 | What OS did you use and what installation method? | |
| 06:25 | * dcook | is just asking out of curiosity |
| 06:26 | MaxSayre | What's the average disk usage for a running Koha install? |
| 06:26 | I haven't installed it yet. Though Ubuntu? Debian? Either. I don't really mind. | |
| 06:26 | dcook | Glad to hear that you're choosing either Ubuntu or Debian |
| 06:26 | A package install, I hope? | |
| 06:26 | Makes life 100x easier | |
| 06:26 | MaxSayre | apt-get update? :P |
| 06:26 | * dcook | thumbs up |
| 06:26 | dcook | Not sure about the disk usage |
| 06:26 | It depends on a few factors | |
| 06:27 | The indexing can eat up quite a bit of space if you have a lot of records | |
| 06:27 | Although I think that's temporary space | |
| 06:27 | MaxSayre | 10GB? 20GB? 100GB? |
| 06:27 | dcook | I do think it depends on your records |
| 06:28 | MaxSayre | Koha minimum specs are much more reasonable than some of the other options. One of them wanted 100GB, 4 cores, and 8GB of RAM minimum. |
| 06:28 | Of course. | |
| 06:28 | dcook | If you have 600,000+ records, I think you need over 20GB |
| 06:28 | There was an email circulating around recently about that topic | |
| 06:28 | MaxSayre | I'm fairly sure we don't have that many books. Hah. |
| 06:28 | dcook | Yeah, Koha can run on pretty basic stuff |
| 06:28 | I have a little desktop at home with Koha on it | |
| 06:28 | MaxSayre | Well, *nix. |
| 06:29 | dcook | Actually, I have a VM open right now with...2 gb of ram, 1 core, and...maybe 100 gb |
| 06:29 | Wait, make that 10gb | |
| 06:29 | :p | |
| 06:29 | MaxSayre | Heh |
| 06:29 | dcook | But I just use that for code development |
| 06:29 | MaxSayre | Yeah, look, I can always make the disk bigger. That's not really an issue. |
| 06:29 | dcook | It has maybe 100 records, I think |
| 06:29 | Well there you go :) | |
| 06:30 | I don't know if "average" really applies to Koha | |
| 06:30 | Its user base is too diverse | |
| 06:30 | MaxSayre | But AD doesn't need 8GB of RAM for 200 machines, so when the library needs it... kinda overkill. |
| 06:30 | dcook | We all have different ideas of normal |
| 06:30 | What sort of system wanted that? | |
| 06:30 | MaxSayre | v-Library. |
| 06:31 | and the interface is awful. | |
| 06:31 | Koha can at least look pretty. Though I wouldn't mind a slightly easier themeing option. Heh | |
| 06:32 | It's kinda scary. Heh | |
| 06:32 | Migrating to phone for the trip home... | |
| 06:34 | dcook | There's been a fair bit of discussion about themes as well |
| 06:34 | the CCSR interface is pretty good in terms of responsive design. There is also work being done to add Bootstrap to the OPAC | |
| 06:35 | As for themeing...most can be done with CSS and JScript, but yeah...it would be nice if there were easier options. | |
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| 06:36 | christophe_c | hello #koha |
| 06:36 | MaxSayre | I'm not so much a graphic designer. would just love to see some generic ones. |
| 06:36 | Heya. | |
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| 06:38 | reiveune | hello |
| 06:38 | dcook | salut christophe_c et reiveune :) |
| 06:39 | reiveune | salut dcook :) |
| 06:39 | MaxSayre | I imagine one day a bunch of themes like WordPress. just download and install. not fancy, but at least flexible. :) |
| 06:39 | christophe_c | bonjour dcook ;-) |
| 06:39 | dcook | MaxSayre: Yeah, a few people (including myself) have mentioned that as well. If you're ever looking for a project...you could put in a themeing mechanism ;) |
| 06:41 | MaxSayre | free time and me aren't really friends, but if something works out. :P |
| 06:42 | dcook | hehe |
| 06:42 | I know the feeling | |
| 06:42 | Even though I get paid to work on Koha for clients, I still try to volunteer in my free time | |
| 06:42 | But it's tough :/ | |
| 06:42 | Some people are amazing at it though and they're the core members of the community | |
| 06:44 | MaxSayre | FOSS <3 |
| 06:44 | OSS too, but a little less. hah | |
| 06:45 | dcook | hehe |
| 06:45 | Yeah, I'm quite the FOSS fan | |
| 06:45 | I'm a librarian turned developer, so I tend to advocate FOSS pretty hard for libraries | |
| 06:46 | cait joined #koha | |
| 06:46 | dcook | hey ya cait! |
| 06:46 | Wait a minute... | |
| 06:46 | MaxSayre | it's a good polIcy. |
| 06:46 | cait | hi dcook |
| 06:46 | dcook | You said you weren't going to work, cait :P |
| 06:46 | cait | iam not working |
| 06:46 | just saying hi | |
| 06:46 | dcook | :) |
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| 06:46 | cait | moin drojf |
| 06:48 | MaxSayre | Anyway, off to the land of lurking. Thanks for the chat! |
| 06:49 | dcook | No worries. Good luck with the migration! |
| 06:49 | morning drojf | |
| 06:52 | cait | hi matts |
| 06:58 | matts | hi ! |
| 07:03 | cait | :) |
| 07:03 | @wunder Reutlingen | |
| 07:03 | huginn` | cait: The current temperature in Reutlingen, Germany is 20.1°C (9:03 AM CEST on July 26, 2013). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 63%. Dew Point: 13.0°C. Pressure: 30.00 in 1016 hPa (Falling). |
| 07:05 | cait | @wunder Upfingen |
| 07:05 | huginn` | cait: Error: No such location could be found. |
| 07:05 | cait | thought so |
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| 07:10 | druthb | @wunder 77063 |
| 07:10 | huginn` | druthb: The current temperature in Briargrove Park, Houston, Texas is 27.2°C (2:10 AM CDT on July 26, 2013). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 80%. Dew Point: 23.0°C. Pressure: 29.99 in 1016 hPa (Rising). |
| 07:13 | drojf | morning |
| 07:13 | * drojf | yawns |
| 07:13 | drojf | a lot |
| 07:13 | oh look, there are skittles everywhere | |
| 07:14 | druthb | drojf! |
| 07:15 | drojf | druthb! |
| 07:15 | * druthb | chucks skittles at her second-favorite German, to wake him up. |
| 07:15 | drojf | that will help ;) |
| 07:15 | druthb | :D |
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| 07:16 | druthb | oooh. two caits! |
| 07:17 | cait_ | hmpf |
| 07:17 | * druthb | leaves the zombie one for drojf and #koha, and runs away with the fresh one. |
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| 07:20 | cait_ | lol |
| 07:20 | help i am kidnapped | |
| 07:21 | druthb | caitnapping! |
| 07:22 | cait_ | hm nap |
| 07:22 | drojf | lol |
| 07:23 | druthb | hm. that actually sounds like a good idea. |
| 07:23 | * druthb | heads for bed. |
| 07:24 | dcook | Eeep! I'm late I'm late I'm late for an important date |
| 07:24 | Toodles #koha | |
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| 07:25 | gaetan_B | hello |
| 07:59 | drojf | every damn time someone talks about the MARC leader i have to think of this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7fnmhj58o0kv |
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| 09:21 | cjh | goodbye internet, see you all Monday |
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| 10:49 | bigbrovar_ | Hi guys, trying to import biblio records from spreedsheet to koha via marc edit.. here is a copy of the spreedsheet https://docs.google.com/file/d[…]k1TY2c/edit?pli=1 I have mapped each columns to the relevant marc tags and also have columns for koha holding tags in 952 |
| 10:51 | however after mapping and importing the marcedit generated mrc file to koha. I noticed all the items have multiple holdings (8 holdings to be exact) I don't know what I am doing wrong :/ | |
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| 12:22 | oleonard | Hi #koha |
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| 13:03 | oleonard | Bug 10649 |
| 13:03 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10649 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED , Upgrade DataTables and move scripts out of theme directory |
| 13:03 | oleonard | Somebody stop me if that sounds stupid. |
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| 13:35 | oleonard | This is a good day to get consent for harebrained schemes based on silence. |
| 13:37 | * druthb | doesn't think oleonard's scheme is all that hare-brained. |
| 13:37 | oleonard | I'm just sayin' |
| 13:38 | druthb | doo eeet. |
| 13:39 | oleonard | A patch will be ready as soon as I finish this commit message. Two hours or so. |
| 13:39 | tcohen | upgrading UNC 3.8 > 3.12 its like |
| 13:39 | for i in $(cat instances) ; do koha-create --use-db $i ; done ; koha-upgrade-schema $(koha-list) | |
| 13:40 | voila | |
| 13:40 | still can't belive it | |
| 13:40 | #kohails rocks | |
| 13:40 | jcamins | Yeah, pretty amazing. |
| 13:41 | tcohen | (of course I already have my passwd file and DBs loaded on their new home) |
| 13:41 | oleonard | @seen khall |
| 13:41 | huginn` | oleonard: khall was last seen in #koha 2 days, 21 hours, 21 minutes, and 27 seconds ago: <khall> is this as good a place to start as any? |
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| 14:22 | gmcharlt | @quote random |
| 14:22 | huginn` | gmcharlt: Quote #20: "<wizzyrea> you will see no wedgie-ing from me" (added by jdavidb at 03:50 PM, July 31, 2009) |
| 14:22 | gmcharlt | always a relief |
| 14:23 | druthb | @quote random |
| 14:23 | huginn` | druthb: Quote #120: "<sekjal> I think time is less like a continuum, and more like a series of git commits" (added by gmcharlt at 05:57 PM, January 27, 2011) |
| 14:23 | wahanui | i already had it that way, huginn`. |
| 14:25 | oleonard | What git command will show me a list of revisions similar to what the "history" link in gitweb shows? |
| 14:27 | gmcharlt | oleonard: git log --abbrev-commit --pretty=short path/to/file |
| 14:27 | does most of it | |
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| 14:28 | vfernandes | hi :) |
| 14:29 | guys today I've detected that /intranet/cgi-bin/patroncards/image-manage.pl isn't in koha tar.gz | |
| 14:29 | where I can get that file? | |
| 14:30 | oleonard | Thanks gmcharlt |
| 14:31 | * oleonard | can't figure out why git mv doesn't seem to be copying over a file's history |
| 14:33 | gmcharlt | oleonard: try adding the --follow switch to your git log invocation |
| 14:33 | oleonard | Is the "--follow" required to track across moves? |
| 14:34 | gmcharlt | yes |
| 14:36 | oleonard: and to more fully emulate gitweb: | |
| 14:36 | git log --follow --date=short --abbrev-commit --pretty=format:"%h%x09%ad%x09%an%x09%s" about.pl | |
| 14:36 | vfernandes | anyone? |
| 14:36 | wahanui | Anyone? Anyone? Bueller? Bueller? |
| 14:36 | gmcharlt | vfernandes: whcih version of the tarball? |
| 14:37 | vfernandes | 3.12 |
| 14:42 | gmcharlt | vfernandes: I just downloaded the latest 3.12.2 tarball, and it does contain patroncards/image-manage.pl |
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| 14:48 | vfernandes | yes it is... by some reason the .pl wasn't in the folder... solved... another problem |
| 14:48 | install Graphics::Manager | |
| 14:49 | oleonard | vfernandes: Are you in a situation which requires you to choose the tarball over a package installation? |
| 14:51 | vfernandes | oleonard I always install Koha by downloading tar.gz from repository and install it manually because I've to work with very diferent SO |
| 14:51 | now I need to install graphics::magick in ubuntu | |
| 14:51 | oleonard | "SO" ? |
| 14:52 | vfernandes | OS... sorry... ubuntu, opensuse, centos, etc... |
| 14:53 | oleonard | I see. Sounds difficult... or tedious at the very least. |
| 14:56 | vfernandes | now I need to isntall graphics::magick in ubuntu |
| 15:08 | reiveune | bye |
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| 15:38 | gaetan_B | bye ! |
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| 16:22 | jcamins | Do we have a guide for getting started as a translator? |
| 16:37 | gmcharlt | jcamins: 1. For best results, arrange to be born in a country with a tradition of multilingualism... |
| 16:38 | jcamins | gmcharlt: heh. |
| 16:38 | oleonard | D'oh! |
| 16:39 | gmcharlt | seriously, maybe http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]/Translating_Koha, but that doesn't have enough detail to be a soup-to-nuts intro |
| 16:40 | jcamins | Yeah, that's all I saw, and it doesn't really give a whole lot of instruction on where to get started if you are not a developer. |
| 16:42 | So I said "register an account on Pootle, and take a look around. | |
| 16:43 | " | |
| 16:43 | And I'll provide more detailed instructions if necessary. | |
| 16:45 | oleonard | So you found someone who wants to do a translation jcamins? |
| 16:47 | jcamins | oleonard: yeah, one of my librarians might contribute to the Greek translation. |
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| 19:15 | drojf | evening |
| 19:15 | oleonard | Hi drojf |
| 19:15 | drojf | hey oleonard |
| 19:15 | wahanui | oleonard is still here, if you just wish hard enough. or Koha's master UI designer |
| 19:19 | drojf | so what's new in kohaland? |
| 19:21 | that is not much ;) | |
| 19:22 | oleonard | That's about it drojf. It's a ghost town in here today. |
| 19:22 | drojf | i blame holiday cait |
| 19:44 | druthb | hi, drojf! :) |
| 19:44 | drojf | druthb! :) |
| 19:45 | * jcamins | chucks skittles at druthb. |
| 19:45 | drojf | lol |
| 19:45 | druthb | ! |
| 19:45 | you're supposed to chuck *cookies*, jcamins. | |
| 19:45 | Via USPS Priority, please. | |
| 19:45 | jcamins | Hehe. |
| 19:45 | You'll be getting cookies soon, too. :) | |
| 19:46 | druthb | :D |
| 19:48 | * druthb | chucks skittles at jcamins and drojf. |
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| 19:51 | mtompset | Greetings, #koha. |
| 19:52 | druthb | how convenient. |
| 19:52 | * druthb | chucks skittles at mtompset, too. |
| 19:52 | mtompset | too? |
| 19:52 | wahanui | it has been said that too is impatient. |
| 19:52 | mtompset | wahanui forget too |
| 19:52 | wahanui | mtompset: I forgot too |
| 19:53 | druthb | I just chucked some at drojf and jcamins, too, right before you showed up. |
| 19:53 | mtompset | Are you a violent person, and skittle chucking is your only release? |
| 19:54 | * druthb | remembers her past, and debates a way to answer that question without scaring people. |
| 19:54 | drojf | o.O |
| 19:54 | druthb | I used to have a moderately-wild temper. |
| 19:56 | * pianohacker | holds tongue |
| 19:56 | druthb | back years ago, I conquered that monster; a good meditation practice, and a lot of self-examination did me a whole lot of good. |
| 19:56 | drojf | i prefer getting chucked skittles at over, say, a bar stool ;) |
| 19:57 | oleonard | You can't get a good wind-up at that distance drojf |
| 20:00 | drojf | heh |
| 20:02 | druthb | I never hurt anyone—well, anyone *else*—with my temper. But it was kind of stunning when people saw it; they truly did not expect that of me, as my public persona has always been very passive. |
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| 20:07 | drojf | so chucking skittles is what remained? ;) |
| 20:07 | mtompset | Poor skittles. druthb abuses them regularly. |
| 20:08 | drojf | omg. it sounds like… rain? |
| 20:08 | mtompset | :P |
| 20:08 | drojf | @wunder berlin, germany |
| 20:08 | huginn` | drojf: The current temperature in Prenzlauer Berg, Berlin, Germany is 27.8°C (9:42 PM CEST on July 26, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 41%. Dew Point: 13.0°C. Pressure: 29.89 in 1012 hPa (Steady). |
| 20:08 | mtompset | @wunder toronto, canada |
| 20:08 | drojf | weid |
| 20:08 | huginn` | mtompset: The current temperature in Toronto, Ontario is 22.0°C (4:00 PM EDT on July 26, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 53%. Dew Point: 12.0°C. Pressure: 30.06 in 1018 hPa (Falling). |
| 20:08 | drojf | weird even |
| 20:09 | hmm maybe a neighbour watering the plants? | |
| 20:15 | oleonard | have a good weekend #koha |
| 20:15 | drojf | you too oleonard |
| 20:15 | ha, once before he quit | |
| 20:18 | mtompset | So, druthb did you get the chocolate you needed? |
| 20:18 | druthb | yes. |
| 20:18 | :) | |
| 20:18 | drojf | so… i can connect with a sip account to asterisk on the raspi from a browser. unfortunately i can't from the firefox os browser and now i fear that webrtc is just not ready there… :O |
| 20:20 | Stage Planning Status In progress | |
| 20:20 | meh | |
| 20:20 | Release target Phase 1 - TBD (first release planned this year, 2012) <- lol | |
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| 20:40 | rambutan | @wunder 64507 |
| 20:40 | huginn` | rambutan: The current temperature in Wyatt Park, St Joseph, Missouri is 29.3°C (3:40 PM CDT on July 26, 2013). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 54%. Dew Point: 19.0°C. Pressure: 30.01 in 1016 hPa (Falling). |
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| 21:10 | pianohacker | drojf: ? |
| 21:13 | drojf | pianohacker: looks like 1) the mozilla wiki is very outdated 2) firefox os does not support webrtc so i can't use sip telephony on my phone |
| 21:13 | jcamins | drojf: really? That seems like a rather crucial feature. |
| 21:14 | drojf | that's what i thought |
| 21:14 | pianohacker | drojf: heh, "Note: Much of this content is out of date. We will be updating it soon |
| 21:19 | jcamins | You know, there are a lot of people making mobile phones with new technology... wouldn't investing that $32m in a platform that exists have made more sense? |
| 21:19 | drojf | heh |
| 21:20 | jcamins | Sorry, sorry! Logic asserted itself briefly there. |
| 21:20 | I didn't mean for it to, it just sort of happened. | |
| 21:20 | @wunder 11375 | |
| 21:20 | huginn` | jcamins: The current temperature in Glendale, Glendale, New York is 27.0°C (5:07 PM EDT on July 26, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 52%. Dew Point: 16.0°C. Pressure: 29.99 in 1016 hPa (Falling). |
| 21:21 | drojf | what plattform would that have been? android? |
| 21:21 | jcamins | drojf: I was thinking FirefoxOS. |
| 21:22 | drojf | the platform that exists? |
| 21:22 | it obvioulsy exists only to a certain degree ;) | |
| 21:23 | unfortunately i don't understand the mozilla bugtracker at all so nobody knows when it will work i guess | |
| 21:24 | jcamins | drojf: it'd exist a lot more fully if people invested $32m into it. |
| 21:24 | drojf | i would have expected an os that is build after a browser to have soime of the cool features of that browser |
| 21:24 | built | |
| 21:25 | at least in its browser ^^ | |
| 21:26 | jcamins: i think i am confused about what $32m you are talking | |
| 21:26 | i thought you meant mozilla invested that in building fxos and should have put it into somethng that already exists | |
| 21:26 | jcamins | drojf: Ubuntu phone. |
| 21:27 | A F/OSS project just created a new fully-F/OSS phone. | |
| 21:27 | drojf | AH! |
| 21:27 | i forgot about ubuntu :) | |
| 21:27 | jcamins | They got a staggering amount of money so far, too. |
| 21:28 | drojf | investing in something other people started would not lead to one shuttleworth to rule them all i suppose |
| 21:28 | i bet it will have nice amazon integration and other shopsy stuff | |
| 21:29 | jcamins | Heh. |
| 21:29 | drojf | as if there wasn't enough notreallyfree linux on phones already :/ |
| 21:29 | woah, now it's really raining | |
| 21:29 | at first i thought someone was chucking skittles at me | |
| 21:48 | "resource://jid1-xufzosoflzsoxg-at-jetpack/api-utils/lib/cuddlefish.js" | |
| 21:48 | oops | |
| 21:51 | the unimarc bugs are clogging up that old bugs section | |
| 21:52 | mtompset | Have a great day, #koha. |
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| 22:01 | drojf | bug 10610 has a great title |
| 22:02 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10610 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , sysprefs.sql is really boring to rebase |
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| 22:20 | tcohen | is there a way to report what permissions does a patron have? |
| 22:21 | gmcharlt | tcohen: I think there's one or two examples in the SQL library |
| 22:22 | tcohen | what's the relation between user_permissions and flags? |
| 22:22 | gmcharlt | tenous |
| 22:22 | :) | |
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| 22:23 | gmcharlt | more seriously, flags came first and is a bitmap, where each position controlled access to a broad module |
| 22:23 | user_permissions was bolted on later | |
| 22:23 | tcohen | and they have never been merged |
| 22:23 | gmcharlt | and module_bit in user_permissions correspods to the bit position in flags for the corresponding module |
| 22:25 | tcohen | if my database has an empty user_permissions table, what does it mean? |
| 22:26 | gmcharlt | all of your patrons/users have top-level permissions and were never assigned any sub-permissions |
| 22:30 | as a historical note, there used to be a syspref called GranularPermissions that controlled whether subpermissions could be used or were hidden | |
| 22:30 | tcohen | you're all crazy |
| 22:30 | heh | |
| 22:31 | gmcharlt | given enough time, without constant viigilence, all people^Wcodebases become crazy ;) |
| 22:32 | tcohen | i'm pretty sure you're right |
| 22:35 | so, to make a report (for some audit tasks) i need to: check if there are module-level permissions at user_permissions, and otherwise check borrowers.flags | |
| 22:50 | gmcharlt: do u know why perms are binded to userid instead of borrowernumber? | |
| 22:53 | gmcharlt | say what? |
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| 22:58 | tcohen | i'm sorry, thinking loudly |
| 22:59 | the param for the call get_user_subpermissions is userid instead of borrowernumber, and it was kind of weird to read | |
| 23:01 | gmcharlt | legacy -- haspermission, for example, has always used userid |
| 23:21 | tcohen | is that bitmap method sound? |
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