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| Time | Nick | Message |
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| 00:00 | dcook | So since C4::Items is loaded by both inventory.pl and Circulation.pm...you get that conflict? |
| 00:00 | Or because Circulation.pm and Items.pm reference each other? | |
| 00:00 | jcamins | dcook: because C4::Items is loaded by C4::Circulation and vice versa. |
| 00:00 | rangi | that |
| 00:01 | dcook | Hmm, makes a certain amount of sense |
| 00:01 | Yet...shouldn't AddReturn always fail in that case? | |
| 00:01 | rangi | nope, it only fails when you load both too |
| 00:01 | and it will depend on the order etc | |
| 00:02 | basically the problem is the circular dependencies, and under different conditions they do different things | |
| 00:02 | dcook | Mmm, so it's that they're both loaded in inventory.pl |
| 00:02 | rangi | thats why the rule for Koha:: |
| 00:02 | dcook | Then the circular dependencies come into effect |
| 00:02 | rangi | yep |
| 00:02 | dcook | Tricksy |
| 00:02 | jcamins | There is also a situation where it will only work if you load both of them because the circular dependency wasn't addressed properly. |
| 00:02 | rangi | is no circular dependencies |
| 00:02 | yep | |
| 00:03 | dcook | Hmm, makes sense |
| 00:03 | Ideally, should a module be a standalone or provide wrappers for another module? | |
| 00:04 | Off the top of my head, it seems like it would be difficult to avoid circular dependencies | |
| 00:04 | Wait a minute.. | |
| 00:05 | Items.pm doesn't load Circulation.pm O_o | |
| 00:05 | At least not directly | |
| 00:06 | rangi | you do |
| 00:06 | jenkins_koha | Project master_maria build #7: STILL FAILING in 24 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]b/master_maria/7/ |
| 00:09 | rangi | but yeah it also calls something that in turn calls it |
| 00:09 | they are hard to track down | |
| 00:09 | probably C4::Biblio | |
| 00:09 | dcook | Mmm, I was thinking probably C4::Biblio |
| 00:10 | Makes sense to only import the required subs then | |
| 00:11 | Circulation.pm is quite the hulk though | |
| 00:11 | In the short term, I wonder if fully qualifying a sub is the best way to get around this issue.. | |
| 00:12 | jcamins | dcook: that's my preferred solution. |
| 00:12 | dcook | jcamins: Fully qualifying? |
| 00:12 | jcamins | A require and fully-qualified call will at least make it easy to recognize problems. |
| 00:13 | dcook | Seems reasonable |
| 00:16 | rangi++ | |
| 00:16 | jcamins++ | |
| 00:18 | jenkins_koha | Starting build #8 for job master_maria (previous build: STILL FAILING) |
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| 00:22 | dcook | C4::Reserves it seems... |
| 00:23 | jcamins | Hey, isn't there a song about that? |
| 00:23 | dcook | via C4::Search |
| 00:23 | hehe | |
| 00:23 | jcamins | It goes something like... |
| 00:23 | dcook | For once, I actually think I know what you're saying jcamins :p |
| 00:24 | jcamins | "You're a mean one, C4::Reserves / you really are a heel / you're as cuddly as a cactus, you're as charming as an eel, C4::Reserves!" |
| 00:24 | :P | |
| 00:26 | dcook | Ah, I was thinking, the C4::Items bone is connected to the C4::Search bone, the C4::Search bone is connected to the C4::Reserves bone, the C4::Reserves bone is connected to the C4::Circulation bone, the C4::Circulation bone is connected to the C4::Items bones... |
| 00:26 | jcamins | dcook: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5TONgSxpUqQ |
| 00:26 | dcook | That would make for one very strange skeleton.. |
| 00:26 | jcamins | Actually, I thought of that song too. |
| 00:26 | But I had to go for the more surreal version if you were following my train of thought. | |
| 00:27 | dcook | lol |
| 00:27 | Remind me not to sit next to you at Kohacon ;) | |
| 00:28 | In regards to the water rather than the train of thought :p | |
| 00:28 | jcamins | Are you planning on getting writer's block? |
| 00:28 | dcook | I sure hope not |
| 00:28 | * dcook | really should write his presentation sometime |
| 00:29 | dcook | So C4::Items and C4::Circulation reference each other...and behaviours vary depending on how they're loaded in inventory.pl.. |
| 00:29 | Or how they load each other.. | |
| 00:33 | It looks like it must be triggered when a third script references both | |
| 00:34 | Otherwise...it might not become a problem | |
| 00:35 | Ok, I think I gots this | |
| 00:37 | tcohen | didn't know there was one for jcamins http://kohadevreactions.tumblr[…]-a-search-rewrite |
| 00:38 | dcook | lol |
| 00:38 | jcamins | lol |
| 00:38 | dcook | These are too good |
| 00:38 | tcohen | night #koha |
| 00:39 | dcook | night tcohen :) |
| 00:39 | "When the smart people log out of the IRC channel and you’re left all alone." | |
| 00:40 | It helps that the smart people are scattered around the globe ;) | |
| 00:42 | ""I think I’ll change up the cataloguing interface…" | |
| 00:42 | Ponyo! | |
| 00:42 | jenkins_koha | Project master_maria build #8: STILL FAILING in 23 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]b/master_maria/8/ |
| 00:43 | dcook | Borrower list? |
| 00:47 | http://www.web2learning.net/20[…]every-single-day/ | |
| 01:00 | mtompset | uh oh... circular references? |
| 01:01 | dcook | circular references, mutually recursive...in either case...it's not pretty |
| 01:03 | mtompset | Is there an easy way to find recursive references? |
| 01:04 | dcook | Define easy? |
| 01:04 | A person could probably write up a script for it | |
| 01:06 | mtompset | a single command line command, for example. |
| 01:06 | even if that command line is brutually long. :) | |
| 01:08 | * dcook | shrugs |
| 01:08 | dcook | I'm going to fix the particular bug that has cropped up |
| 01:08 | And going forward...fully qualify subs that I use and limit what I import | |
| 01:10 | Although now it looks like it is already fixed in master... | |
| 01:10 | But I swear I just checked it on master... | |
| 01:13 | Maybe it was cacheing.. | |
| 01:17 | Nope, I must be crazy. | |
| 01:19 | wth... | |
| 01:23 | ... | |
| 01:29 | Well, it looks to me like that circular dependency theory isn't it | |
| 01:35 | rangi | http://www.escapehere.com/dest[…]-united-states/3/ |
| 01:36 | (from someone at work who went to uni in reno :)) | |
| 01:37 | * dcook | stares at Perl |
| 01:39 | dcook | Rangi: The circular dependency idea was a nice theory, but apparently that wasn't it |
| 01:39 | I have zero idea what it was, and I've finally reached the point of not caring | |
| 01:40 | Oh my... | |
| 01:40 | Well, Regina is the crime capital of Canada (per capita), and it wasn't THAT bad | |
| 01:41 | I only had my car broken into once and my living room windows smashed once | |
| 01:41 | Friends attacked in the street. Kidnapper/torturer living a few blocks away. | |
| 01:43 | Hey rangi: Any thoughts on Hoopla? http://gigaom.com/2013/07/24/h[…]or-library-users/ | |
| 01:48 | wizzyrea | I will have to think about that |
| 01:49 | it sounds like freegal for video | |
| 01:49 | dcook | freegal? |
| 01:49 | wizzyrea | www.freegalmusic.com |
| 01:51 | I think this is a terrible idea, upon thinking about it. The problem always comes back to the fact that digital resources are not limited use, so the idea of "lending" them is a LOT mad | |
| 01:51 | dcook | Well, this wouldn't really be lending them |
| 01:51 | It would be charging based on usage | |
| 01:52 | Which in accordance with licensing...might be unavoidable | |
| 01:52 | Hmm, there isn't a reverse git bisect, is there? | |
| 01:52 | wizzyrea | which is exactly my point. The cost is simply deferred to the taxpayer. :P |
| 01:52 | dcook | Isn't that the point of libraries, wizzyrea? :P |
| 01:53 | wizzyrea | one of them. |
| 01:53 | wahanui | one of them is bound to have a good idea ;) |
| 01:54 | wizzyrea | I'm not sure I agree with the premise that libraries even have a place in digital material distribution and "lending" |
| 01:54 | because you can't "lend" digital things. Either you have a copy, or you don't | |
| 01:54 | dcook | Not all libraries are lending libraries though |
| 01:54 | ibeardslee | unless you use DRM to restrict the use of said digital material |
| 01:54 | dcook | It's more about providing access to resources |
| 01:55 | Like I don't personally have a subscription to QuickLaw or WestLaw, but I can go to the Courthouse Library in Vancouver and get access to those databases | |
| 01:55 | wizzyrea | DRM makes it really impossibly hard for borrowers to do anything |
| 01:55 | dcook | (or possibly log in online although I can't be sure on that one) |
| 01:55 | wizzyrea | it is a very bad borrower experience |
| 01:55 | dcook | I think the Vancouver Public Library has a subscription to those legal databases too |
| 01:55 | wizzyrea | databases are not what I am talking about |
| 01:55 | dcook | Right, you're talking about "lending" |
| 01:56 | But I'm saying that there doesn't need to be lending | |
| 01:56 | Like you say, lending ebooks is stupid | |
| 01:56 | wizzyrea | then it would seem we agree ;) |
| 01:56 | dcook | Maybe :p |
| 01:56 | I think libraries are still useful for being hubs for digital content | |
| 01:56 | Whether that's databases, online journals, or video/music | |
| 01:57 | I say drop the lending idea | |
| 01:57 | And work hard on the money issue so that it works out for libraries and people | |
| 01:57 | wizzyrea | then you really just have amazon. |
| 01:58 | dcook | Amazon would be more expensive though |
| 01:58 | wizzyrea | would it? 2.99 to stream a video? |
| 01:58 | cost to the library? | |
| 01:58 | dcook | I mean ideally ;) |
| 01:58 | I think the claim that Hoopla would be cheaper than physical media is...dubious | |
| 01:59 | Hmm, I see what you're saying | |
| 02:00 | Libraries pay between $0.99 and $2.99 each time a patron borrows something... | |
| 02:00 | Amazon: Rentals start at $2.99. If you rent, you'll have 30 days from when you rent to start watching, and once you start watching, most movies have a 24-hour window to finish watching. | |
| 02:01 | Hmm $79 annual membership | |
| 02:01 | Apparently Amazon's own info isn't right | |
| 02:01 | Just found a movie rental for 1.99 | |
| 02:02 | wizzyrea: The more I think about this, the more I agree with you | |
| 02:02 | wizzyrea | dunno, it always sounds like a nice idea |
| 02:02 | yea, who wouldn't want to stream things for library patrons | |
| 02:02 | but the borrowers who can stream things are the borrowers that can already afford to | |
| 02:03 | and the borrowers who can't... they get nothing from the service | |
| 02:03 | dcook | Or the borrowers who stream things create a tax burden for others |
| 02:03 | wizzyrea | that too |
| 02:03 | I am definitely for libraries providing convenient access to resources | |
| 02:04 | I just think there has to be a better model. BUT the better model involves media producers to be willing to adopt a different model, which they are not. | |
| 02:04 | dcook | True true |
| 02:05 | wizzyrea | would a library cut, say, programs for the unemployed, or kids or teens, to have the money to support a streaming service? |
| 02:05 | or reduce open hours, inconveniencing those who rely on hard-copy media? | |
| 02:05 | dcook | Well, ideally, they would be looking to cut collections rather than programming |
| 02:06 | wizzyrea | but you see my point though? |
| 02:06 | dcook | But it's true, it'll probably be too expensive for what they get |
| 02:06 | I do | |
| 02:06 | * dcook | remembers library management class |
| 02:06 | dcook | Libraries never have enough money |
| 02:06 | wizzyrea | the question is, I guess, who are your borrowers, and what do you value |
| 02:07 | dcook | I suppose |
| 02:07 | Although I think it'll always come back to the bottom line | |
| 02:07 | And if it is pay per use...there's no way that can really fit in with a library's bottom line | |
| 02:07 | Unless there's a cap | |
| 02:07 | And you budget for a cap | |
| 02:07 | wizzyrea | they said there can be a cap |
| 02:08 | it's cool, it's snazzy | |
| 02:08 | dcook | Really? I skimmed the article, but I don't remember that |
| 02:08 | Oh, limit on borrowing | |
| 02:08 | wizzyrea | but I think it's technolust |
| 02:09 | dcook | Technolust or a desire to stay relevant? |
| 02:09 | Who borrows CDs or DVDs anymore? | |
| 02:09 | wizzyrea | if every borrower were issued a tax payer purchased viewing device, it would be relevant |
| 02:09 | dcook | That said, there is a...Civic Video? store near me which seems to get a lot of business |
| 02:09 | wizzyrea | "you use the library, here's a device to access our collections" |
| 02:09 | that would be fair. | |
| 02:10 | dcook | Mmm, I wrote about that this morning |
| 02:10 | We do often have an assumption that people have devices and good internet access | |
| 02:10 | wizzyrea | ibeardslee and I were talking about this the other day |
| 02:10 | :) | |
| 02:10 | dcook | But as many reports show, internet access is far less prevalent than we think it is |
| 02:10 | wizzyrea | ^^^ |
| 02:10 | however, dumb phones are nearly universal | |
| 02:13 | dcook | Dumb phones aren't much help though |
| 02:13 | Whoa | |
| 02:13 | I think that's the biggest drop out I"ve ever seen in #koha | |
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| 02:14 | wizzyrea | if every tax payer were equally able to access the library's digital collections, I'd be ok with hungrily pursuing digital media "lending" models. (though lending digital things is still stupid) |
| 02:14 | yea whoa what was that about | |
| 02:14 | mtompset | Don't know, I think I split. |
| 02:15 | coding question... what sort of conditions would cause the programmer to code with 'use' over 'require'? | |
| 02:15 | dcook | wizzyrea: I think that's quite a valid point |
| 02:15 | mtompset: require doesn't import any subs, me thinks | |
| 02:15 | mmm | |
| 02:15 | nvm | |
| 02:15 | mtompset: I have the same question | |
| 02:15 | mtompset | I've been hunting around, and that seems to be it. |
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| 02:16 | mtompset | But you could get the equivalent with a "use foo ();" |
| 02:16 | -- I think. | |
| 02:16 | dcook | I think so |
| 02:17 | * wajasu | tweaking some XSLT templates |
| 02:17 | dcook | But that whole conflict thing...doesn't seem to be a real thing |
| 02:17 | wajasu: :D | |
| 02:17 | mtompset | So, it would seem that intentionally listing the routines that you will use helps reduce the chance of circular dependencies. |
| 02:20 | I was worried I may have introduced a circular dependency and wanted to check. | |
| 02:21 | But I think I haven't. I added a C4::Members function call into C4::Items. | |
| 02:22 | *whew* :) | |
| 02:22 | wajasu: Long time no see. How are you? :) | |
| 02:23 | wajasu | it looks like the MARC21slim2OPACDetail.xsl and MARC21slim2OPACResults.xsl files use the with-param punctuation, but the MARC21slimUtils.xsl doesn't have that like in the intranet one. |
| 02:23 | mtompset: fine | |
| 02:24 | just overworked writing code inthe energy sector | |
| 02:25 | mtompset | energy sector? Makes me think of a guy I know from church. He was asking me about OpenSuse. :) |
| 02:27 | wajasu | mtompset: were you the one who was/is in the Philipines? |
| 02:27 | mtompset | was... I'm back in Canada now. |
| 02:29 | wajasu: and weren't you the person using archlinux? ;) | |
| 02:34 | wajasu | OMG: course reserves went out. my QA hours weren't wasted. |
| 02:43 | dcook | rangi: Sorry about my wailing before. Just noticed jcamins's commit c97e0c7 which removes that circular dependency |
| 02:43 | rangi | :) |
| 02:43 | dcook | Note to self...do tests more carefully...check code more carefully... |
| 02:46 | While it took way longer than it should, I'm glad that I finally tracked down the commit and relieved my confusion | |
| 02:46 | mtompset: bug 7847 | |
| 02:46 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7847 normal, P5 - low, ---, dpavlin, RESOLVED FIXED, OPAC search dies with plack |
| 02:47 | dcook | Jared removed the "use C4::Search" and instead used "require C4::Search" within the sub that needed it, and used fully qualified names |
| 02:49 | jcamins++ | |
| 02:50 | mtompset: http://stackoverflow.com/quest[…]to-require-a-file | |
| 02:51 | wajasu | are things plackified on master these days? |
| 02:53 | jenkins_koha | Starting build #9 for job master_maria (previous build: STILL FAILING) |
| 02:58 | wajasu | it looks like the current strategy for giving the end users the ability to customize what is displayed is to put a span with a relevant class. |
| 02:59 | wizzyrea | it's like perl, there's more than one way to do it ^.^ |
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| 03:00 | dcook | rangi: I see what you're saying about Koha now |
| 03:00 | Are all those modules actually classes? | |
| 03:01 | Hmm, looks like jcamins has been busy with those... | |
| 03:01 | jcamins++ | |
| 03:01 | rangi | they should be |
| 03:01 | where it makes sense | |
| 03:01 | dcook | Sweet |
| 03:01 | rangi | following any pragma dogmatically, makes you an egg |
| 03:01 | thats my new saying :-) | |
| 03:02 | somethings arent objects | |
| 03:02 | dont try to make them be | |
| 03:02 | however, a lot of koha is/are | |
| 03:02 | cjh | rangi++ |
| 03:02 | dcook | :) |
| 03:03 | cjh | 'somethings arent objects, dont try to make them be' is gold. |
| 03:03 | dcook | I've been thinking a lot recently about OOP, and thinking that Koha could certainly use more classes |
| 03:04 | I'm not sure that I understand how Perl OOP works yet...but I think it's certainly a good idea | |
| 03:04 | I have been wondering about those dogmatic OOP folks though | |
| 03:04 | It seems to me that objects make things easier but you still need to run procedures on them/with them/etc | |
| 03:13 | Topic for #koha is now Happy Birthday cjh | |
| 03:13 | dcook | Right! |
| 03:13 | I know I already posted it on FB, but happy birthday again, cjh :) | |
| 03:13 | cjh | rangi: thanks :) |
| 03:13 | * dcook | heads off to lunch |
| 03:14 | cjh | dcook: thanks again :) |
| 03:15 | wizzyrea: hahhha > "Chris Hall. He's the candy man. I like him." | |
| 03:15 | wizzyrea: I will put him down on my CV as a reference | |
| 03:15 | wizzyrea | D: |
| 03:15 | :D | |
| 03:19 | jenkins_koha | Project master_maria build #9: STILL FAILING in 26 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]b/master_maria/9/ |
| 03:19 | cjh | wasnt me. |
| 03:29 | jenkins_koha | Starting build #10 for job master_maria (previous build: STILL FAILING) |
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| 03:54 | jenkins_koha | Project master_maria build #10: STILL FAILING in 25 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]/master_maria/10/ |
| 04:09 | Starting build #11 for job master_maria (previous build: STILL FAILING) | |
| 04:10 | * dcook | cheers on master_maria |
| 04:11 | wizzyrea | whoa does git bz do some magics with garbage collection now? |
| 04:11 | just got the oddest message | |
| 04:11 | dcook | Oh? |
| 04:12 | * dcook | isn't sure what the current state of git bz is at these days |
| 04:12 | dcook | I remember being told to use the fish soup version, but that's about it |
| 04:12 | pastebot | "wizzyrea" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "er, what?" (15 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/135 |
| 04:12 | wizzyrea | i'm sure it's harmless but it's the first time I've seen it |
| 04:12 | do that | |
| 04:14 | dcook | Whoa |
| 04:14 | Which git bz are you running? | |
| 04:15 | wizzyrea | fish soup |
| 04:15 | dcook | Hmm |
| 04:15 | rangi | thats not git bz |
| 04:15 | thats just git running its garbage collector | |
| 04:15 | it does that when it hasnt done it for a while | |
| 04:15 | dcook | Looks like you've got too much garbage wizzyrea! |
| 04:15 | wizzyrea | well I gathered that bit... I've just never observed it doing it before I guess |
| 04:16 | dcook | Does that git bz actually work for attaching patches? |
| 04:16 | wizzyrea | yes, it's fantastic. |
| 04:16 | * dcook | thinks he must be using the Koha version which est busted |
| 04:16 | mtompset | fishsoup branch of git bz. |
| 04:16 | wizzyrea | just fetch the repo and checkout the fishsoup branch |
| 04:16 | mtompset | you owe me a diet coke, wizzyrea. ;) |
| 04:17 | * wizzyrea | cannot get behind giving soda to anyone. |
| 04:17 | cjh | :o |
| 04:17 | wizzyrea | will beer do? |
| 04:17 | :P | |
| 04:17 | mtompset | both kill slowly... I prefer soft drinks. :P |
| 04:17 | cjh | ohh so it isn't because you are stingy, that is ok then :) |
| 04:17 | wizzyrea | living kills you slowly ^.^ |
| 04:17 | dcook | Everything became gibberish to me after "will beer do" |
| 04:18 | Or rather, my brain converted it to "beer will do" | |
| 04:18 | beer... | |
| 04:18 | mtompset | sounds like it is beer o'clock for you dcook? ;) |
| 04:18 | wizzyrea | oh, mtompset, I'm about to test your bug |
| 04:18 | 10589 | |
| 04:18 | mtompset | Ooo... That would be appreciated. :) |
| 04:19 | wizzyrea | Patrons matching this patron category overrides OpacHiddenItems for their every branch. < this is awkward phrasing :) |
| 04:19 | dcook | O_o |
| 04:19 | BEER! | |
| 04:19 | mtompset | for their every branch?! |
| 04:20 | Oops. | |
| 04:20 | wizzyrea | (but it's something I will fix if it passes other tests) |
| 04:20 | question, can you put in multiple categories? | |
| 04:20 | mtompset | No. |
| 04:20 | I didn't think people needed that. | |
| 04:20 | wizzyrea | perhaps that should be a dropdown then |
| 04:20 | with the defined categories listed in it | |
| 04:21 | just a thought | |
| 04:22 | mtompset | But wouldn't you want the multiple categories on the Patron and not on what does the un-filtering? |
| 04:22 | wizzyrea | free text entry is scary to me |
| 04:22 | better to only allow actually defined values? | |
| 04:22 | mtompset | Oh, I see what you are saying. |
| 04:22 | wizzyrea | i.e. grab the list from the authorised values |
| 04:22 | and display it, with your default value on top | |
| 04:22 | * dcook | gives a thumbs up for authorised values |
| 04:23 | mtompset | The problem is that would mean I'd have to automagically add two patron categories. :P |
| 04:23 | Why add two patron categories that people will never use? | |
| 04:23 | wizzyrea | no, it's just an input, if no category is defined, give it your default |
| 04:24 | so like | |
| 04:24 | mtompset | blank -> ignore, selected from a list -> un-filter? |
| 04:24 | wizzyrea | you'd have an option "Items hidden from all borrowers" |
| 04:24 | something like that yea | |
| 04:25 | mtompset | I don't know how to do drop-down preferences. ;) |
| 04:25 | dcook | wizzyrea++ |
| 04:25 | wizzyrea | well that's fair :) |
| 04:25 | it's just that free text entry prefs are often very problematic | |
| 04:25 | mtompset | But that is a good idea to amend this with. |
| 04:25 | I can agree with that feedback, wizzyrea. :) | |
| 04:26 | wizzyrea | it would make sense if you could define a comma separated list of many categories |
| 04:26 | (free text entry) | |
| 04:27 | and that would be helpful anywa | |
| 04:27 | anyway | |
| 04:27 | or space separated, pick your delimiter :P | |
| 04:27 | space probably better, there's precedent for that. | |
| 04:27 | dcook | bug 10589 |
| 04:27 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10589 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, mtompset, Needs Signoff , Override OpacHiddenItems based on Patron Category |
| 04:28 | wizzyrea | for example, if you had a school library, and the sex ed books were behind the desk, and you only wanted teachers *and* librarians to be able to find them, with this patch you can't do both unless you put them in the same category |
| 04:29 | but I do like this idea very much | |
| 04:29 | it's something I've heard of people wanting before | |
| 04:29 | mtompset | Okay, so you are saying... the patron would actually have multiple categories attached to them? |
| 04:30 | wizzyrea | no, I'm saying that you could have multiple categories that things didn't need to be hidden from |
| 04:30 | mtompset | Ah. |
| 04:30 | wizzyrea | hidden items are not hidden from Teachers AND librarians AND staff |
| 04:31 | for example | |
| 04:31 | dcook | free text entry with pipe separator? That seems pretty common |
| 04:31 | wizzyrea | could do |
| 04:32 | mtompset | But is there a way to do a SELECT from the categories for the syspref page? |
| 04:32 | dcook | ? |
| 04:32 | wizzyrea | they should be in the authorised values table |
| 04:32 | mtompset | but how to do that on the syspref page? |
| 04:32 | wizzyrea | you'd probably have to teach it how to do that. |
| 04:33 | mtompset | because if they add categories, you need dropdown(s) to update. |
| 04:33 | wizzyrea | and if you did, there are other preferences that could benefit |
| 04:34 | oh sorry they're not authorised values, they are patron codes, but same thing, it's still stored in the DB | |
| 04:34 | mtompset | right, still stored in the DB. |
| 04:34 | * dcook | was a bit lost for a second there, wizzyrea :p |
| 04:34 | wizzyrea | in the categories table |
| 04:35 | jenkins_koha | Project master_maria build #11: STILL FAILING in 25 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]/master_maria/11/ |
| 04:35 | wizzyrea | !botsnack jenkins_koha cookie |
| 04:35 | working so hard that one | |
| 04:35 | anyway, think about that | |
| 04:36 | fwiw, there are other preferences that could benefit from being able to show patron categories in syspref pages. | |
| 04:36 | dcook | Apparently there have been 67 shootings in Sydney so far in 2013... |
| 04:36 | wizzyrea | PatronSelfRegistrationDefaultCategory, for one |
| 04:36 | O.o i | |
| 04:37 | is that many or a few? | |
| 04:37 | seems like a lot. | |
| 04:37 | dcook | Seems like a lot to me too |
| 04:37 | It was in a press release calling for more police powers | |
| 04:38 | And bashing the current premier for his lack of policing | |
| 04:38 | mtompset | Yes, but that improvement of allowing things based on a dropdown is beyond the scope of my bug. Though, your suggested redesign with multiple categories pipe delimited is probably within scope. |
| 04:38 | wizzyrea | multiple categories would be more helpful than the dropdown |
| 04:38 | :) | |
| 04:39 | * dcook | nods |
| 04:39 | whispers pipe separator... | |
| 04:39 | wizzyrea | yea, there's precedent on that page for pipe separated |
| 04:39 | * mtompset | nods. |
| 04:39 | wizzyrea | PatronSelfRegistrationBorrowerUnwantedField , for example |
| 04:39 | mtompset | Yes, pipe delimited does have precedent. |
| 04:40 | And it isn't like you will have a patron category that has a pipe in it. ;) | |
| 04:40 | wizzyrea | if you do, you might be doing it wrong. :) |
| 04:41 | also, the remedy for shootings isn't more police, it's fewer guns. :P | |
| 04:44 | http://epod.usra.edu/blog/2013[…]adriatic-sea.html O.o | |
| 04:47 | mtompset | oh... what was that plugin that gmcharlt was mentioning about accessing koha system preferences from the template files? |
| 04:49 | There it is... | |
| 04:51 | Hmmm... A tweak to add a function thats return an array of hashes for any given table would enable a drop down based on a table in sysprefs. ;) | |
| 04:51 | or something similar to what is expected for choices. :) | |
| 04:54 | cjh | gmcharlt: btw, never thanked you for prodding about that security bug, thanks. |
| 04:55 | * dcook | is on the phone but OpacHiddenItems is ugly as hell |
| 04:56 | mtompset | Why? Because of the YAML? |
| 04:57 | wizzyrea | yea, it's icky |
| 04:57 | and it needs proper documenting | |
| 04:57 | dcook | Naw, the YAML is all right |
| 04:57 | It's how it shows on the OPAC | |
| 04:57 | It's not really OpacHiddenItems so much as how Search works in Koha... | |
| 04:58 | mtompset | Actually, it doesn't affect the search directly, as far as I recall. |
| 04:58 | You get all the results, and then it filters it out. | |
| 05:01 | That's where the GetHiddentItems (or something like it) is tweaked by my patch so they aren't hidden after all. ;) | |
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| 05:05 | dcook | Yeah, I'm trying to figure all that out at the moment |
| 05:05 | The display is godawful though | |
| 05:09 | Mmm, I see what you're saying | |
| 05:09 | I'm cool with it hiding items. It does that well. | |
| 05:10 | However, OpacHiddenItems also seems to hide bib records | |
| 05:10 | Which makes for some really nasty looking result pages | |
| 05:11 | It also doesn't seem to work too well if an item is checked out | |
| 05:11 | At least in terms of search results | |
| 05:11 | The detail page is great | |
| 05:12 | x | there is no message? |
| 05:15 | dcook | x: message? |
| 05:15 | wahanui | message is a warning not an error. |
| 05:15 | dcook | Quiet you, wahanui |
| 05:15 | wahanui | dcook: excuse me? |
| 05:15 | dcook | You heard me, punk |
| 05:15 | * dcook | has wanted to say "punk" for a while :p |
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| 05:19 | * dcook | waves to cait |
| 05:19 | * cait | waves at dcook |
| 05:23 | dcook | mtompset: Do you know where in the code the bib records get hidden by OpacHiddenItems? |
| 05:23 | mtompset | That's OpacSuppression, not OpacHiddenItems. |
| 05:23 | dcook | Happens in OpacHiddenItems too :/ |
| 05:23 | mtompset | Unless you are talking about my other patch. |
| 05:23 | dcook | An unintended consequence I'm sure |
| 05:23 | Nopes. This is regular ol' master | |
| 05:24 | (and older versions) | |
| 05:24 | cait | dcook:out of curiosity - what's the problem discussed? |
| 05:24 | i tested both recently, although not the new additions yet | |
| 05:24 | mtompset | bib records are not being hidden by OpacHiddenItems. |
| 05:24 | cait | imean I didn't tes tthe patchs from mtompset and drojf |
| 05:24 | dcook | mtompset: They sure are |
| 05:24 | cait | they are only i the result list |
| 05:24 | but there they should | |
| 05:24 | dcook | cait: When I use OpacHiddenItems to hide certain item types, the bib record disappears if the only items available for that record are of that item type |
| 05:24 | cait | when all items are hidden |
| 05:25 | dcook | cait: The problem with that is an ugly display |
| 05:25 | cait | you confuse me dcook :) |
| 05:25 | mtompset | I don't know what case you are talkikng about. |
| 05:25 | cait | is the record findable using the search? |
| 05:25 | dcook | Yes |
| 05:25 | mtompset | Are you talking search screen or details? |
| 05:25 | cait | and i mean in a resul tlist that is longer than 1 |
| 05:25 | dcook | search screen |
| 05:25 | I'll lay out the scenario again | |
| 05:26 | There are 20 bibs with items of item type X | |
| 05:26 | There are 5 bibs that also have items of item type Y | |
| 05:26 | OpacHiddenItems is configured to hide item type X | |
| 05:26 | When I do a search that should bring up all 20 bibs, only the 5 with other items appear | |
| 05:26 | cait | that's about right |
| 05:27 | and the numbering is off | |
| 05:27 | dcook | (There is also another dimension where some of those 15 bibs will still appear if an item of type X is checked out...which is bizarre) |
| 05:27 | wahanui | okay, dcook. |
| 05:27 | cait | that is sadly right too |
| 05:27 | mtompset | Exactly. |
| 05:27 | WHAT?! on the checked out? | |
| 05:27 | dcook | Yep |
| 05:27 | Bizarre | |
| 05:27 | cait | hm |
| 05:27 | interesting | |
| 05:27 | wahanui | interesting is sometimes good and sometimes bad |
| 05:27 | dcook | cait: My complaint is that all the bibs should appear |
| 05:27 | Because the system preference should just hide "items" not "bibs" | |
| 05:27 | cait | nope they shouldn't |
| 05:28 | that's by design the way it is | |
| 05:28 | dcook | I think that's a bad design |
| 05:28 | cait | not a bug |
| 05:28 | you can think that, but I rely on that behaviur | |
| 05:28 | i can't use opacsuppression for records in the union catalog | |
| 05:28 | dcook | Fair enough. I like the idea. |
| 05:28 | cait | so i need something on item level |
| 05:28 | dcook | However, how do you deal with having search results that are ugly as sin? |
| 05:28 | cait | that can do that :) |
| 05:28 | not yet | |
| 05:28 | and we won't hide that many | |
| 05:28 | if you hide 1 out of a result list of 20.... | |
| 05:29 | dcook | Then it's not too bad |
| 05:29 | cait | it doesn't look as bad as your example |
| 05:29 | dcook | True |
| 05:29 | cait | it could be a option |
| 05:29 | if the record is hidden with the items or not | |
| 05:29 | dcook | I think so |
| 05:29 | cait | but what will the user think of records without any items showing? |
| 05:29 | * dcook | is looking to add that option now ;) |
| 05:29 | dcook | They don't like that either |
| 05:29 | * dcook | sighs |
| 05:29 | cait | hm |
| 05:30 | dcook | Maybe this is the best way to do it |
| 05:30 | cait | maybe you need to set opacsuppression then |
| 05:30 | dcook | The only perfect solution would involve re-writing how search works |
| 05:30 | cait | that works better |
| 05:30 | dcook | Oh? |
| 05:30 | cait | opacsuppression wokrs on index |
| 05:30 | so they never make it into the result list | |
| 05:30 | so don't have to be hidden from it | |
| 05:30 | dcook | Mmm, that does sound much better |
| 05:31 | I was originally thinking of a combo of opacsuppression and opachiddenitems | |
| 05:31 | From the sound of it, that should do the trick | |
| 05:31 | cait | i think one alone would work even :) but 2 might be more secure |
| 05:31 | if they forget to set the opacsuppression flag | |
| 05:32 | i guess you could script some cronjob for setting it ... bu then you'd have to make sure the records get reindexed too | |
| 05:33 | dcook | Yeah, that would be a bit fiddly |
| 05:34 | Maybe opachiddenitems is good enough | |
| 05:34 | And they can use opacsuppression just in case | |
| 05:34 | Although I think there is a bug where checked out hidden items still appear in the search results :S | |
| 05:35 | cait, mtompset: Do you know where/how the bibs are hidden by opachiddenitems? | |
| 05:35 | I can investigate the genuine bug there | |
| 05:35 | cait | i think it should happen on opac-details opac-results somehow |
| 05:35 | dcook | opac-detail works all right |
| 05:35 | It's just the results | |
| 05:36 | Both xslt and TT are affected which makes me wonder a bit | |
| 05:36 | mtompset | opacsuppression is better suited to "no one sees Lord of the Rings", regardless of how many copies or branches have it. |
| 05:36 | cait | dcook: there are bugs about that |
| 05:36 | dcook: the conclusion is it can't be improved : | |
| 05:36 | dcook | O_o |
| 05:36 | cait: What can't? | |
| 05:36 | cait | :( |
| 05:36 | the numbering | |
| 05:36 | wahanui | the numbering is confusing me |
| 05:36 | cait | and paging |
| 05:36 | dcook | Right, I agree |
| 05:36 | It can't be improved unless the whole search system were overhauled | |
| 05:37 | mtompset | wizzyrea: I almost have the | delimited version working. |
| 05:37 | dcook | I'm referring to the checked out hidden item showing |
| 05:37 | That's not quite right | |
| 05:37 | cait | oh right |
| 05:37 | dcook | The bib record attached to a checked out hidden item shows |
| 05:37 | When it shouldn't - given the current design | |
| 05:37 | cait | i think i'd start looking in the code for opachiddenitem :) |
| 05:38 | mtompset | dcook: I think you are mixing multiple problems in your head. :P |
| 05:38 | dcook | mtompset: Not at all. Probably just not articulating myself well :p |
| 05:38 | mtompset | Or perhaps a bit of both. :P |
| 05:43 | cait | dcook: about your inventory problem, that might have a patch waiting |
| 05:43 | but not sure | |
| 05:44 | there is a bigger inventory patch i keep running into | |
| 05:44 | dcook | cait: I've already closed that one, no? |
| 05:44 | cait | ah |
| 05:44 | i am just starting to read my qa mails sorry | |
| 05:44 | dcook | No worries. |
| 05:44 | cait | see, way more confused then you :) |
| 05:44 | dcook | I hate posting a bug report that turns out to be invalid |
| 05:44 | I would've sworn that I had checked master... | |
| 05:44 | cait | it happens :) |
| 05:45 | dcook | Brain overworked I guess |
| 05:45 | Looks like "SearchResults" is what does the bib level filtering.. | |
| 05:45 | cait | i think that was a good one still |
| 05:45 | my invalid bugs are way sillier | |
| 05:46 | dcook | I don't know if I believe that, but I appreciate the attempt to cheer me up :p |
| 05:46 | cait | oh believe it _) |
| 05:46 | :) | |
| 05:46 | dcook | if ($items_count > 0) { |
| 05:46 | next if $is_opac && $hideatopac_count >= $items_count; | |
| 05:47 | I think that's the culprit | |
| 05:47 | cait | hm $isopac? |
| 05:47 | dcook | Well, not the culprit.. |
| 05:47 | $hideatopac_count >= $items_count | |
| 05:47 | cait | well that does the hiding |
| 05:47 | dcook | Yeah |
| 05:47 | Not sure why it wouldn't hide for checked out items.. | |
| 05:47 | cait | should not be responsible for the checkout problem.... well depending on how it coutns the $hideopac_count |
| 05:48 | dcook | Or the $items_count |
| 05:48 | Nah, probably the hideopac_count | |
| 05:52 | Hmm, now I can't reproduce that bug | |
| 05:53 | Not on my dev system at least.. | |
| 05:53 | * cait | sends cookies |
| 05:54 | dcook | :) |
| 05:57 | But...it should be impossible | |
| 06:02 | mtompset | wizzyrea papa I've put up a revision to 10589 now. |
| 06:03 | It's 2am here. I should sleep. | |
| 06:03 | dcook | It's...bugs are evil o'clock here |
| 06:03 | I should...not attack the computer. | |
| 06:03 | Have a good sleep, mtompset :) | |
| 06:03 | mtompset | Thanks. |
| 06:03 | Feel free to test my patch. ;) | |
| 06:04 | dcook | I wish I had the time to test patches |
| 06:04 | I don't even have the time to post patches :S | |
| 06:04 | mtompset | Have a great day (24 hour period), #koha, dcook cait wizzyrea papa etc. |
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| 06:41 | reiveune | hello |
| 06:41 | wahanui | bidet, reiveune |
| 06:55 | dcook | salut reiveune :) |
| 06:55 | As a side note, I think I've isolated the bug... | |
| 06:55 | reiveune | bonjour dcook :) |
| 07:02 | dcook | Tout va bien, reiveune? |
| 07:03 | reiveune | ça va, bientôt les vacances ;) et toi ? |
| 07:04 | dcook | Ah, chouette! |
| 07:04 | Ben... | |
| 07:04 | * dcook | essaie d'rappeler la phrase |
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| 07:05 | dcook | Assez occupé au travail |
| 07:05 | Il y a toujour plus de bogues :p | |
| 07:05 | reiveune | dcook: bon courage :) |
| 07:06 | dcook | merci :) |
| 07:06 | J'en ai besoin, je pense ;) | |
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| 07:07 | christophe_c | hello koha |
| 07:07 | dcook | hey christophe_c |
| 07:07 | wahanui | christophe_c is sure about that kf ... :) yes I confirm since 1900 I have never seen so bad winter ... oups not so old ... quite |
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| 07:08 | christophe_c | hi dcook ;-) |
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| 07:10 | dcook | Mais, je dois rencontrer ma femme pour le dîner. Salut, tous les français. Bonne soirée! |
| 07:10 | Night #koha! | |
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| 07:32 | gaetan_B | hello |
| 07:45 | cait | bye all and have a nice weekend |
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| 07:53 | marcelr | hi #koha |
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| 07:58 | drojf | good morning #koha |
| 07:58 | marcelr | hi drojf |
| 07:58 | drojf | and happy birthday cjh :) |
| 07:58 | hi marcelr :) | |
| 07:59 | marcelr | Joubu: added a followup to bug 10441 for your quick review |
| 07:59 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10441 normal, P5 - low, ---, m.de.rooy, Signed Off , UT: Testing AddShare in VirtualShelves.t |
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| 08:23 | drojf | @wunder berlin, germany |
| 08:23 | huginn` | drojf: The current temperature in Prenzlauer Berg, Berlin, Germany is 26.0°C (10:13 AM CEST on July 25, 2013). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 41%. Dew Point: 12.0°C. Pressure: 30.01 in 1016 hPa (Steady). |
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| 08:39 | cait-m | alles gute zum geburtstag cjh! |
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| 08:56 | drojf | hi cait-m. on the road? |
| 08:56 | cait-m | yep |
| 08:56 | switching trains now | |
| 09:00 | drojf | where are you going? |
| 09:05 | cait-m | visiting family and friends |
| 09:16 | eythian | hi |
| 09:16 | wahanui | bonjour, eythian |
| 09:56 | eythian | @wunder bn1 1nb |
| 09:56 | huginn` | eythian: The current temperature in Brighton, Brighton, United Kingdom is 18.3°C (10:46 AM BST on July 25, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 99%. Dew Point: 18.0°C. Pressure: 29.92 in 1013 hPa (Steady). |
| 09:57 | * marcelr | Hopes to quit rebasing.. |
| 11:11 | * wizzyrea | waves |
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| 12:01 | wizzyrea | so. quiet |
| 12:02 | jwagner | wizzyrea, that's because YOU should be sleeping...... |
| 12:02 | wizzyrea | :) |
| 12:03 | * jwagner | tries to hum lullaby |
| 12:03 | thinks better of it and starts on some Springsteen instead | |
| 12:04 | wizzyrea | lol |
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| 12:33 | jcamins | eythian++ # koha-create-dirs is really cool! |
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| 12:35 | mjk | morning koha fans |
| 12:38 | jwagner | hi mjk |
| 12:40 | mjk | hey |
| 12:41 | I had to invent a new subject header yesterday... | |
| 12:42 | "Filk music -- Lyrics." | |
| 12:42 | jwagner | or filk in general |
| 12:45 | mjk | as i acatlog the NESFA library, I wouldn't be surprised if "Filk music -- history and criticism." also made an appearance in the NESFA catalog. |
| 12:45 | ;) | |
| 12:45 | jcamins | If you mean "Folk music" and you use LC there's actually an LC heading for that: $aFolk music$zTexts. |
| 12:45 | However, "Lyrics" will be easier to find. | |
| 12:45 | (and therefore I approve) | |
| 12:46 | jwagner | jcamins, filk music is folk music in the context of science fiction fandom |
| 12:46 | It's a distinct sub-genre of music :-) | |
| 12:46 | jcamins | jwagner: huh. You learn something new every day. |
| 12:46 | jwagner | filk isn't new. Just not widely known outside SF fandom |
| 12:46 | jcamins | New to me. |
| 12:47 | mjk | when one is cataloging the library of an sf club, stuff like that emerges |
| 12:47 | jwagner | mjk, is there a subject heading for fanzines? |
| 12:47 | or fanac? or SMOF? | |
| 12:48 | The mind boggles at the possibilities for driving LC catalogers crazy! | |
| 12:48 | mjk | Luckily, these records will probably never exists outside the clubhouse network. |
| 12:48 | jwagner | Or gafiation? |
| 12:49 | mjk | I doubt we have any books on that. |
| 12:49 | * jwagner | will have to write one, someday |
| 12:49 | jcamins | You should sell the records to OCLC and join SACO! |
| 12:49 | mjk | heh. |
| 12:50 | jwagner | mjk, still trying to remember who was creating that computer db for the NESFA collection. Did you check with Donald Eastlake or Tony Lewis ( are either of them still active?) |
| 12:51 | mjk | jacmins, sound evil. |
| 12:51 | jcamins | mjk: the SMOF command you to! |
| 12:52 | * jcamins | just looked up all the terms you just mentioned. |
| 12:52 | * jwagner | is a recovering former SMOF, and has been gafiated for many years |
| 12:53 | mjk | jwagner, tony is still active but i only see don at cons. |
| 12:53 | jwagner | NESFA at that time (when the clubhouse was purchased) had a high number of computer programmers. I'm sure _someone_ was doing a database. Just can't remember who, darnit |
| 12:54 | mjk | there was the index (of short stories) but there was never an attempt to catalog the library |
| 12:55 | jwagner | Maybe I'm remembering that someone meant to do it.... |
| 12:55 | jcamins | jwagner: that sounds like about how those projects usually go. |
| 12:55 | mjk | at least koha seems to be working well. |
| 12:56 | most of the members seem to see the value of the project and a few have expressed interest in learning to catalog stuff | |
| 12:57 | i do wonder, is there a way to view which users created/modified which records? | |
| 12:58 | jwagner | If you have logging turned on, and if each user has a separate login |
| 12:59 | mjk | we're doing seperate logons and logging can be turned on. |
| 12:59 | so that sounds good. | |
| 13:03 | 3.12.2 seems to have more new features than a normal point/bugfix release... | |
| 13:05 | jcamins | mjk: I haven't looked at the release notes yet, but there were a lot of new features in 3.12 that may have needed a bit of refinement. |
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| 13:19 | tcohen | morning #koha |
| 13:19 | @wunder cordoba, argentina | |
| 13:19 | huginn` | tcohen: The current temperature in Cordoba, Argentina is 8.0°C (10:00 AM ART on July 25, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 27%. Dew Point: -10.0°C. Windchill: 6.0°C. Pressure: 30.18 in 1022 hPa (Steady). |
| 13:21 | marcelr | hi tcohen |
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| 13:22 | oleonard | Hi #koha |
| 13:22 | marcelr | hi oleonard |
| 13:26 | mjk | hey |
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| 13:47 | * oleonard | welcomes this new web-based jcamins |
| 13:48 | tcohen | he's not using your bootstrap work it seems |
| 13:48 | jcamins_web | oleonard: apparently rebasing a branch took down my development server. |
| 13:48 | oleonard | Must've been a helluva rebase. |
| 13:48 | jcamins_web | oleonard: 3.10.x to 3.12.x. |
| 13:50 | oleonard | Hooray, 18 days of out-of-office replies from itmanagerwtctheology.org.uk |
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| 13:59 | mjk | i'm wondering if it makes sense to run koha on an ssd |
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| 14:00 | jcamins | mjk: what's your goal? |
| 14:00 | eythian | depends what you're trying to achieve |
| 14:00 | heh | |
| 14:00 | huginn` | New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 10621: use correct from-address for subscription alert emails <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]68244f0577ed34e4d> |
| 14:00 | mjk | single-disk performance |
| 14:01 | eythian | are you hitting disk very often? |
| 14:01 | mjk | i'm just wondering if it's worth it for a system where peak load will be on the order of 10-15 transactions per minute |
| 14:01 | currently the test server on loan to our group has an ssd | |
| 14:01 | eythian | everything is likely to be in cache anyway |
| 14:02 | mjk | i'm just thinking that it might not be worth it to duplicate that when we get our own server |
| 14:02 | tcohen | running everything on SSD makes sense, as long as you can afford it |
| 14:02 | you will notice when doing a full reindex | |
| 14:03 | mjk | i found out that it would cost about $1000 to buy the system we're borrowing and i don't think i can convince people to spring for that big an expense |
| 14:03 | how often should i do a full reindex, btw | |
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| 14:04 | jcamins | Whenever you manage to bork your indexes, or after an upgrade. |
| 14:04 | Whichever comes first. | |
| 14:06 | mjk | i wonder if anybody's running koha on arm... |
| 14:06 | jcamins | Yes. |
| 14:06 | eythian | yeah, it works on a rasberry pi apparently |
| 14:06 | jcamins | It works on Raspberry Pi quite well. |
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| 14:07 | mjk | wait... it can perform on hardware that low end... |
| 14:07 | jcamins | A tad slow, but the rPi is smaller than my phone and cost $35. |
| 14:08 | mjk | is koha prebuilt for arm linux or does it need to be compiled from scratch |
| 14:08 | jcamins | Koha is written in Perl. |
| 14:09 | mjk | i guess the better question is, do the debian packages work on raspbian |
| 14:10 | jcamins | Yes. |
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| 14:15 | mjk | hmm. if it works on a raspberry pi, it should work on one of these, then: http://www.newegg.com/Product/[…]m=N82E16856107095 |
| 14:16 | jcamins | Yes. |
| 14:17 | I use something similar for my appliances. | |
| 14:18 | mjk | that will be easier to convince the business meeting to buy than an 8-core, 16 GB monser... |
| 14:18 | jcamins | Aww, they discontinued the one that I usually use. |
| 14:18 | Guess I'll be installing the hard drive myself in the future. :) | |
| 14:19 | It's the Zotac with the same CPU, but pre-assmbled with RAM and hd. | |
| 14:21 | Whoah... they make Zotacs with 2.9Ghz Intel i5 processors now. | |
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| 14:22 | Starting build #13 for job master_maria (previous build: STILL FAILING) | |
| 14:22 | mjk | jcamins, so zotac is a reliable brand for you? |
| 14:23 | jcamins | mjk: I haven't had any problems, but I admit I haven't stress-tested them. |
| 14:23 | And now that the one I was using is discontinued, I'd probably read reviews for all the various systems again. | |
| 14:23 | mjk | well, internal-only use by no more than a few people at a time won't stress test them either |
| 14:26 | jcamins | This is true. |
| 14:26 | tcohen | are those zotac appliances easy to buy in the US? |
| 14:27 | jcamins | tcohen: I just ordered them off Newegg. |
| 14:27 | Also available from Amazon. | |
| 14:27 | * tcohen | googles it |
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| 14:32 | mjk | this one looks good: http://www.newegg.com/Product/[…]m=N82E16856173052 |
| 14:32 | all i'd need is storage and ram and it would be good to go, | |
| 14:32 | sylvar | Hi all! It appears the Koha seminar my wife wanted to take already happened and isn't scheduled for fall semester, so she's asking me to teach her Koha in the fall. Does anyone know of a cheap gadget that would be reasonably easy to install LAMP and Koha on? |
| 14:33 | * sylvar | blinks |
| 14:33 | jcamins | Yeah, that's more advanced than the one I used. |
| 14:33 | sylvar: funny that you should mention that. | |
| 14:33 | sylvar | I knew I shouldn't have doubled my dose of thiotimoline this morning |
| 14:33 | jcamins | Hehe. |
| 14:34 | Koha will run on just about anything, down to a Raspberry Pi (really!). | |
| 14:34 | That sort of book-sized computer will be plenty powerful that you won't particularly notice lag. | |
| 14:35 | *so that | |
| 14:37 | sylvar | The Raspberry Pi is more like the price I'd been thinking of. :) I imagine Puppy Linux would be a decent choice? |
| 14:37 | jcamins++ | |
| 14:37 | jcamins | sylvar: use raspbian. |
| 14:38 | Then you can follow these instructions: | |
| 14:38 | raspberry pi? | |
| 14:38 | wahanui | Raspberry Pi embedded computers run Koha just fine. :) See http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]on_a_Raspberry_Pi |
| 14:39 | sylvar | sweet! thanks! |
| 14:42 | tcohen | anyone using 3.12 has objections about pushing bug 10356 into it? i consider it an usability bugfix |
| 14:42 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10356 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, chrish, Pushed to Master , adding date published to catalogue detail page |
| 14:44 | tcohen | jcamins? |
| 14:44 | wahanui | somebody said jcamins was insane. |
| 14:44 | jcamins | Let me take a look. |
| 14:44 | No objection. | |
| 14:48 | oleonard | wahanui: jcamins? |
| 14:48 | wahanui | somebody said jcamins was very, very irascible. |
| 14:48 | oleonard | wahanui: jcamins? |
| 14:48 | wahanui | ask him about serials and/or acquisitions. |
| 14:48 | oleonard | Ha |
| 14:49 | jcamins | oleonard: well, that is a good way to demonstrate that I am very, very irascible. |
| 14:52 | oleonard | That always works for me too. |
| 14:53 | @seen khall | |
| 14:53 | huginn` | oleonard: khall was last seen in #koha 1 day, 22 hours, 32 minutes, and 47 seconds ago: <khall> is this as good a place to start as any? |
| 14:57 | jenkins_koha | Project master_maria build #13: NOW UNSTABLE in 35 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]/master_maria/13/ |
| 14:57 | Mirko Tietgen: Bug 10621: use correct from-address for subscription alert emails | |
| 14:57 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10621 normal, P5 - low, ---, mirko, Pushed to Master , Subscription alert emails have wrong from-address |
| 14:58 | oleonard | Anyone here able to advise me on getting the qa test tools installed? |
| 14:58 | When I run "prove" I get an error: t/Perl.t .. Can't locate File/chdir.pm in @INC | |
| 14:58 | I assume this means an environment variable isn't set up right? Not sure what i did wrong. | |
| 14:59 | gmcharlt | oleonard: apt-get install libfile-chdir-perl |
| 14:59 | jcamins | I think maybe a missing package. |
| 15:00 | oleonard | Hm, okay. I thought it handled all its dependencies in the installation process. |
| 15:00 | I was indeed missing that. | |
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| 15:10 | jenkins_koha | Starting build #14 for job master_maria (previous build: NOW UNSTABLE) |
| 15:10 | huginn` | New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 10463: ensure that Quote of the Day feature selects random quotes <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]3ad1c454a04a3cb43> |
| 15:13 | tcohen | release maintenance? |
| 15:13 | wahanui | release maintenance is, like, http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]lease_maintenance |
| 15:14 | jenkins_koha | Project Koha_master build #1338: SUCCESS in 1 hr 16 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]Koha_master/1338/ |
| 15:15 | Mirko Tietgen: Bug 10621: use correct from-address for subscription alert emails | |
| 15:15 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10621 normal, P5 - low, ---, mirko, Pushed to Master , Subscription alert emails have wrong from-address |
| 15:15 | jcamins | tcohen++ |
| 15:16 | jenkins_koha | Starting build #74 for job Koha_3.12.x (previous build: SUCCESS) |
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| 15:30 | jcamins | Hm. The Debian changelog for 3.12.x isn't available in git anywhere, is it? |
| 15:34 | tcohen | it is generated when building the packages jcamins? |
| 15:34 | s/it is/is it/ | |
| 15:37 | jcamins | tcohen: yeah, and eythian updates it in git every so often. |
| 15:37 | I just copied it out of the package. | |
| 15:39 | tcohen | should I push it too? |
| 15:39 | jcamins | eythian will provide you with a patch at some point. |
| 15:40 | tcohen | okok |
| 15:40 | gaetan_B | bye ! |
| 15:42 | eythian | jcamins: it's in the catalyst repo |
| 15:44 | tcohen | catalyst repo? |
| 15:44 | jcamins | Hm. I don't see it. |
| 15:45 | git.catalyst.net.nz? | |
| 15:45 | eythian | yeah |
| 15:45 | mjk | does anybody know of an offline cataloging tool that offers an interface better than marcedit |
| 15:46 | jenkins_koha | Project master_maria build #14: STILL UNSTABLE in 36 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]/master_maria/14/ |
| 15:46 | Kyle M Hall: Bug 10463: ensure that Quote of the Day feature selects random quotes | |
| 15:46 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10463 minor, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Pushed to Master , Quote of the day feature not selecting random quotes |
| 15:46 | jcamins | Oh, there it is. |
| 15:47 | Never mind. | |
| 15:47 | wahanui | Good, I'm glad you figured it out. I didn't understand, and probably never will, being a bot. |
| 15:54 | jcamins | mjk: I do not. |
| 15:55 | mjk | hmm, i'm, guessing i can't really create batches of records at home to import then. |
| 15:55 | jcamins | You can't make Koha available on a public IP? |
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| 15:58 | mjk | nope, nobody at the club wants to run an externally available server yet |
| 15:59 | tcohen | set openvpn then :-D |
| 15:59 | jenkins_koha | Project Koha_3.12.x build #74: SUCCESS in 44 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]b/Koha_3.12.x/74/ |
| 15:59 | * Owen Leonard: Bug 10514: improve visibility of Add item link on new order form | |
| 15:59 | * Chris Cormack: Bug 7143: Updating history and about page | |
| 15:59 | * David Cook: Bug 10448: can now change framework after duplicating bib record | |
| 15:59 | * Chris Hall: bug 10356: improve display of serial issue dates in staff bib details page | |
| 15:59 | * Jason Etheridge: Bug 9770: test case for sorting of Dewey call numbers that contain prefixes | |
| 15:59 | * Jason Etheridge: Bug 9770: fix sorting of Dewey call numbers that contain prefixes | |
| 15:59 | * Galen Charlton: Bug 10258: fix permissions check for setting basket group for order basket | |
| 15:59 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10514 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Pushed to Stable , Add item link on acquisitions add item is too small |
| 15:59 | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7143 trivial, P5 - low, ---, m.de.rooy, ASSIGNED , Bug for tracking changes to the about page | |
| 15:59 | jenkins_koha | * Galen Charlton: Bug 10258: offer to create basket group only when staff user has correct permission |
| 15:59 | * Mathieu Saby: Bug 10189: Translate values in UNIMARC 128b/c cataloguing plugins to English | |
| 15:59 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10448 minor, P5 - low, ---, dcook, Pushed to Stable , Changing framework when cataloguing clears all fields |
| 16:00 | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10356 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, chrish, Pushed to Stable , adding date published to catalogue detail page | |
| 16:00 | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9770 minor, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Pushed to Stable , C4::ClassSortRoutine::Dewey can pad the wrong part of a call number internally | |
| 16:00 | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10258 minor, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Pushed to Stable , Remove erroneous call to haspermission in basket.pl | |
| 16:00 | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10189 trivial, P5 - low, ---, mathieu.saby, Pushed to Stable , French values in cataloging plugins for unimarc 128b and 128c fields | |
| 16:01 | New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 10070: fix saving searches with non-ASCII characters to anonymous search history <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]274e706c7281d2675> | |
| 16:02 | jenkins_koha | Starting build #1339 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS) |
| 16:03 | mjk | doing that would also require that i start switching the server on 24/7 |
| 16:03 | tcohen | heh |
| 16:04 | jcamins | mjk: wake-on-lan? |
| 16:04 | Run a local Koha instance, and export your records from there every so often to upload? | |
| 16:04 | mjk | the power button is dody, the only way to turn it off is to unplug it before it reboots |
| 16:04 | i could run a local instance, i guess | |
| 16:10 | jenkins_koha | Starting build #15 for job master_maria (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE) |
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| 16:10 | eythian | get a cheap VPS and run one there. |
| 16:13 | jcamins | Or that. |
| 16:14 | * eythian | is on holiday for August, so you can all expect your @later requests to be unanswered :) |
| 16:15 | * oleonard | wants to be on holiday in Europe during all of August too |
| 16:17 | * mjk | would rather be on holiday in europe in october when the weather's nice and stuff is actually open rather than being shut down because everyone's on holiday |
| 16:17 | eythian | you still have a couple of days to makeit happen |
| 16:19 | jcamins | @wunder konstanz |
| 16:19 | huginn` | jcamins: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 26.7°C (6:15 PM CEST on July 25, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 71%. Dew Point: 21.0°C. Pressure: 30.04 in 1017 hPa (Steady). |
| 16:19 | jcamins | @wunder 11375 |
| 16:19 | huginn` | jcamins: The current temperature in Glendale, Glendale, New York is 18.2°C (12:05 PM EDT on July 25, 2013). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 68%. Dew Point: 12.0°C. Pressure: 30.05 in 1018 hPa (Rising). |
| 16:19 | jcamins | o.O |
| 16:19 | Really? | |
| 16:19 | wahanui | Really is off now |
| 16:19 | * jcamins | runs to open the windows. |
| 16:19 | oleonard | @wunder 45701 |
| 16:19 | huginn` | oleonard: The current temperature in OHDOT 31-Athens County Garage, Athens, Ohio is 22.2°C (11:31 AM EDT on July 25, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 52%. Dew Point: 12.0°C. Pressure: 30.06 in 1018 hPa (Falling). |
| 16:20 | mjk | @wunder 02131 |
| 16:20 | huginn` | mjk: The current temperature in Roslindale (Rosecliff), Roslindale, Massachusetts is 17.1°C (12:03 PM EDT on July 25, 2013). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 74%. Dew Point: 12.0°C. Pressure: 30.09 in 1019 hPa (Rising). |
| 16:22 | * jcamins | weeps with joy. |
| 16:22 | jcamins | It's beautiful out! |
| 16:22 | Other than the fact that it's dark. | |
| 16:24 | reiveune | bye |
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| 16:26 | liw | @wunder 03334 |
| 16:26 | huginn` | liw: Error: No such location could be found. |
| 16:27 | liw | @wunder 3334 |
| 16:27 | huginn` | liw: Error: No such location could be found. |
| 16:27 | jcamins | liw++ # build-git-snapshot is great |
| 16:27 | liw | jcamins, :) |
| 16:30 | jcamins | Wow. It's just so nice out. |
| 16:30 | And it's 12:30pm. | |
| 16:30 | liw | scorching hot, oppressive weather here... this is now why I moved to Manchester |
| 16:31 | eythian | @wunder bn1 1nb |
| 16:31 | huginn` | eythian: The current temperature in Brighton, Brighton, United Kingdom is 18.1°C (5:30 PM BST on July 25, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 99%. Dew Point: 18.0°C. Pressure: 29.95 in 1014 hPa (Steady). |
| 16:31 | eythian | fairly pleasant here |
| 16:31 | @wunder utrecht | |
| 16:31 | huginn` | eythian: Error: No such location could be found. |
| 16:32 | eythian | @wunder utrecht, nederland |
| 16:32 | huginn` | eythian: The current temperature in NMU-Wageningen University, Utrecht, Netherlands is 28.5°C (6:27 PM CEST on July 25, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 57%. Dew Point: 19.0°C. Pressure: 29.95 in 1014 hPa (Steady). |
| 16:32 | eythian | that's where I'll be in the weekend. That's not so pleasant. |
| 16:33 | liw | eythian, scorching hot, unpleasant horrible hateful weather, that is |
| 16:33 | eythian | @wunder wellington |
| 16:33 | huginn` | eythian: Error: No such location could be found. |
| 16:33 | eythian | @wunder nzwn |
| 16:33 | huginn` | eythian: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 8.0°C (4:00 AM NZST on July 26, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 87%. Dew Point: 6.0°C. Windchill: 6.0°C. Pressure: 29.86 in 1011 hPa (Steady). |
| 16:33 | liw | see, that's much better |
| 16:34 | I knew I should've stayed there | |
| 16:34 | eythian | well it is midwinter there, which is typically not very nice. |
| 16:35 | Dyrcona | and earthquakes. |
| 16:35 | jcamins | ... and I forgot to include a patch in the packages I just built. |
| 16:35 | eythian | yeah, wintery and shakey. |
| 16:35 | mjk | oh well. i have to go. see you guys |
| 16:35 | eythian | later |
| 16:36 | Dyrcona | @wunder 01845 |
| 16:36 | huginn` | Dyrcona: The current temperature in North Andover, Massachusetts is 16.8°C (12:32 PM EDT on July 25, 2013). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 63%. Dew Point: 10.0°C. Pressure: 30.14 in 1020 hPa (Rising). |
| 16:36 | Dyrcona | @wunder montevideo, uruguay |
| 16:36 | huginn` | Dyrcona: The current temperature in Montevideo, Uruguay is 13.0°C (1:00 PM UYT on July 25, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 44%. Dew Point: 1.0°C. Pressure: 30.33 in 1027 hPa (Falling). |
| 16:36 | Dyrcona | That's more like it. :) |
| 16:44 | liw | eythian, clearly I should live in NZ June-August and in Manchester the rest of the year :) |
| 16:44 | * liw | doesn't like hot weather |
| 16:45 | liw | correction |
| 16:45 | eythian | I've been doing the inverse, but it's a bit unusual for it to have been quite so hot lately |
| 16:45 | * liw | doesn't like hot weather for long periods of time, like more than a few days |
| 16:46 | liw | eythian, btw, if you pop up to Mcr, we could have dinner or something :) |
| 16:47 | jenkins_koha | Project master_maria build #15: STILL UNSTABLE in 37 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]/master_maria/15/ |
| 16:47 | Jonathan Druart: Bug 10070: fix saving searches with non-ASCII characters to anonymous search history | |
| 16:47 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10070 major, P5 - low, ---, chris, Pushed to Master , History of anonymous searches is not kept |
| 16:48 | eythian | alas, I won't get the chance. Out of the UK from tomorrow |
| 17:01 | * druthb | pings Germany; neither cait nor drojf is around today... |
| 17:03 | * oleonard | imagines druthb needs to know the word for some complex and mixed emotion and can't find one in English |
| 17:03 | druthb | That would require deep thinking, oleonard, and that ain't happenin' today |
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| 17:16 | * Kyle M Hall: Bug 10463: ensure that Quote of the Day feature selects random quotes | |
| 17:16 | * Jonathan Druart: Bug 10070: fix saving searches with non-ASCII characters to anonymous search history | |
| 17:16 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10463 minor, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Pushed to Master , Quote of the day feature not selecting random quotes |
| 17:16 | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10070 major, P5 - low, ---, chris, Pushed to Master , History of anonymous searches is not kept | |
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| 17:17 | jenkins_koha | Starting build #75 for job Koha_3.12.x (previous build: SUCCESS) |
| 17:17 | drojf | marcelr++ |
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| 17:34 | mtompset | Greetings, #koha. |
| 17:35 | Cool! Happy Birthday, cjh. :) | |
| 17:35 | druthb | drojf! mtompset! |
| 17:36 | * druthb | chucks skittles at both of them. |
| 17:36 | mtompset | You realize you must be spending a virtual fortune on those? :P |
| 17:36 | Greetings, druthb. :) | |
| 17:36 | oleonard | mtompset: It would be even more foolish to spend money on good-tasting candy for throwing at others |
| 17:36 | druthb | I buy the stale ones; since they're not good to eat anyway, they make good ammo. |
| 17:37 | * oleonard | wouldn't think of chucking his precious Reeses pieces |
| 17:37 | mtompset | oleonard: Or if someone prefers good tasting candy which supposedly can be used to make an interesting vodka mix. |
| 17:37 | druthb | oh, noooo…reese's pieces aren't ammo. ET bait. |
| 17:37 | * gmcharlt | hopes that if druthb ever plays paintball, that she remembers to check that she's loading the right sort of ammo first |
| 17:37 | * mtompset | laughs. |
| 17:38 | mtompset | Good one, gmcharlt. |
| 17:39 | Okay, I've been told to use any instead of grep. Can someone point me at documentation and/or examples using any()? | |
| 17:40 | senator | perldoc List::Util |
| 17:40 | whoops, that's not it actually | |
| 17:40 | perldoc List::MoreUtils | |
| 17:41 | gmcharlt | senator++ |
| 17:43 | mtompset | MoreUtils... I was going... where is any?! Thanks. |
| 17:46 | Oh, do I ever feel stupid... the use of any is just a couple lines above my grep. | |
| 17:50 | senator++ # thanks for the pointer. | |
| 17:52 | senator | no prob. yeah when i see one of those subs with a short name like that for the first time, i sometimes think it's a Perl keyword or something that i've been missing the whole time |
| 17:53 | gmcharlt | wannabe keywords |
| 17:54 | senator | indeed |
| 17:56 | mtompset | I suppose the major advantage being that it is more readable than grep? |
| 17:57 | senator | mtompset: I think that's the idea yes, and it *might* return faster for large lists, but i'm not positive |
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| 17:59 | jenkins_koha | Project Koha_3.12.x build #75: SUCCESS in 42 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]b/Koha_3.12.x/75/ |
| 17:59 | * Fridolyn SOMERS: Bug 6898: fix DB update that assigns the circulate/overdues_report permission | |
| 17:59 | * Owen Leonard: Bug 10422 - Remove references to unused and non-existent wizard.css | |
| 17:59 | * Jonathan Druart: Bug 10527: remove disused routine C4::Branch::get_branch_code_from_name | |
| 17:59 | * Jonathan Druart: Bug 10504: Remove the unused C4::Acq::ModOrderItem routine | |
| 17:59 | * Kenza Zaki: Bug 10575 : GetOrdersByBiblionumber.t needs a database transaction | |
| 17:59 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6898 major, P3, ---, fridolyn.somers, Pushed to Stable , circulation librarians can't run overdues without reports permissions |
| 17:59 | jenkins_koha | * Kenza Zaki: Bug 10499: VirtualShelves.t - wrap tests in a database transaction |
| 17:59 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10422 minor, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Stable , Remove references to unused and non-existent wizard.css |
| 17:59 | jenkins_koha | * Jonathan Druart: Bug 10275: UT: OrderFromSubscription.t needs to create its own data |
| 17:59 | * Jonathan Druart: Bug 10275: Use a transaction for OrderFromSubscription.t | |
| 17:59 | * Jonathan Druart: Bug 10274: UT: Acquisition.t needs to create its own data | |
| 17:59 | * Jonathan Druart: Bug 10274: Execute sql queries into a transaction | |
| 17:59 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10527 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Stable , C4::Branch::get_branch_code_from_name is useless |
| 17:59 | jenkins_koha | * Galen Charlton: bug 10556: regression test for setting deliverytime when adding vendor |
| 17:59 | * Jonathan Druart: Bug 10556: The delivery time is not inserted on adding a supplier. | |
| 17:59 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10504 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Stable , C4::Acquisition::ModOrderItem is unused |
| 17:59 | jenkins_koha | * Adrien Saurat: Bug 10170: strings in MARC import made translatable |
| 17:59 | * Galen Charlton: Bug 10170: expose more managed staged MARC strings to translation | |
| 17:59 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10575 normal, P5 - low, ---, kenza.zaki, Pushed to Stable , UT: GetOrdersByBiblionumber.t needs a database transaction |
| 17:59 | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10499 normal, P5 - low, ---, kenza.zaki, Pushed to Stable , UT: VirtualShelves.t needs a database transaction | |
| 18:00 | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10275 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Stable , UT: OrderFromSubscription.t needs to create its own data | |
| 18:00 | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10274 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Stable , UT: Acquisition.t needs to create its own data | |
| 18:00 | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10556 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Stable , deliverytime is not inserted on adding a supplier | |
| 18:00 | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10170 minor, P5 - low, ---, adrien.saurat, Pushed to Stable , non translatable strings in manage-marc-import (actions and table values) | |
| 18:00 | jenkins_koha | Starting build #1340 for job Koha_master (previous build: UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #1338 4 hr 2 min ago) |
| 18:01 | tcohen | gmcharlt++ |
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| 18:20 | mtompset | Ooo... that's a good patch (10170). |
| 18:21 | Greetings, tcohen NateC mcooper. :) | |
| 18:21 | NateC | hiya! |
| 18:25 | drojf1 joined #koha | |
| 18:27 | mtj joined #koha | |
| 18:33 | tcohen | hi mtompset |
| 18:35 | mtompset | papa++ # really appreciate the feedback and looking at my tiny enhancement. |
| 18:53 | rambutan joined #koha | |
| 18:57 | oleonard | Oh hey look self-checkout looks awful with ccsr selected. |
| 18:57 | jcamins | oleonard: didn't you already fix that? |
| 18:58 | oleonard | If so I did a terrible job! |
| 19:00 | druthb | @excuse |
| 19:00 | huginn` | druthb: My excuse for today is "proton decay" |
| 19:00 | druthb | He fixed it, but bit rot set in, jcamins. |
| 19:01 | oleonard | Gremlins unfixed it. |
| 19:01 | druthb | little monsters. |
| 19:02 | (no, not Lady Gaga fans...) | |
| 19:10 | bag | hey druthb |
| 19:11 | druthb | yo, bag! |
| 19:17 | jenkins_koha | Project Koha_master build #1340: STILL UNSTABLE in 1 hr 17 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]Koha_master/1340/ |
| 19:46 | tcohen | how can i batch create several koha-instances using --use-db with koha-create not wanting to connect to the DB? (using passwd) |
| 19:46 | there was some env variable to set... | |
| 19:47 | * tcohen | should seriously resume its work on the koha-create script soon |
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| 20:27 | tcohen | bye #koha |
| 20:32 | oleonard | Bye #koha |
| 20:37 | NateC joined #koha | |
| 20:46 | melia joined #koha | |
| 20:56 | NateC joined #koha | |
| 20:59 | * wizzyrea | waves |
| 21:00 | * pianohacker | has to be going nuts |
| 21:01 | rambutan joined #koha | |
| 21:02 | pianohacker | either that, or we've been getting a small part of MARC21 wrong for years |
| 21:02 | http://git.koha-community.org/[…]af077;hb=HEAD#l19 | |
| 21:03 | also hi wizzyrea | |
| 21:03 | rangi | we should use more marc |
| 21:03 | wahanui | http://02varvara.files.wordpre[…]no-bear.jpg?w=800 |
| 21:04 | wizzyrea | http://kohadevreactions.tumblr[…]we-need-more-marc |
| 21:05 | pianohacker | heh. I've been feeling that the more I stare at obtruse LOC documentation |
| 21:06 | Does anyone know if the above is intentional, though? It's been there since before 3.0 | |
| 21:09 | tcohen joined #koha | |
| 21:10 | tcohen | hi mtompset |
| 21:10 | rangi | could be, i have no idea |
| 21:10 | tcohen | logs? |
| 21:10 | wahanui | i heard logs was http://irc.koha-community.org/koha/ |
| 21:11 | tcohen | hi rangi |
| 21:11 | rangi | heya tcohen |
| 21:12 | * pianohacker | checks notes |
| 21:13 | tcohen | is there a gif for people obssesively retrying something like "this time the indexer daemon patches will be pushed"? I deserve one |
| 21:13 | pianohacker | rangi: It says here that you've been here since the beginning, and thus are supposed to know everything |
| 21:13 | bag | ^^^^^ |
| 21:13 | awesome | |
| 21:13 | wahanui | That'll be $1 for the awesome jar, bag |
| 21:13 | bag | not a problem wahanui |
| 21:14 | wahanui: what's the total I owe to the awesome jar? | |
| 21:14 | wahanui | no idea, bag |
| 21:14 | bag | bummer |
| 21:15 | rangi | heh |
| 21:16 | i reserve the right to try to forget anything i ever knew about marc | |
| 21:16 | bag | you should have replied - "I've forgotten more than you know" |
| 21:16 | HA | |
| 21:16 | pianohacker | rangi: I'm writing a pure-JS MARC editor. I thought that would be all of your favorite flavors of fun |
| 21:17 | rangi | heh |
| 21:17 | jenkins_koha | Starting build #16 for job master_maria (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE) |
| 21:21 | rangi | down to 23 fails now |
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| 21:37 | mtompset | nope nope nope?! |
| 21:49 | wizzyrea | mtompset: re your most recent message to the list: http://kohadevreactions.tumblr[…]-zebra-pl-as-root |
| 21:51 | mtompset | Ha ha... wizzyrea, quite possibly. |
| 21:51 | The person caused their own problem by running as root. | |
| 21:54 | jenkins_koha | Project master_maria build #16: STILL UNSTABLE in 36 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]/master_maria/16/ |
| 21:54 | rangi | w00t down to 11 |
| 21:55 | bag | turn it up to 11 |
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| 21:56 | mtompset | 11 on some dashboard somewhere? |
| 22:01 | Who assembled "Koha Dev Reactions"? | |
| 22:03 | Oh yes. This is so true: http://kohadevreactions.tumblr[…]arch-pm-didnt-you | |
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| 22:08 | jenkins_koha | Starting build #17 for job master_maria (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE) |
| 22:10 | jcamins | pianohacker: what's wrong with that line? |
| 22:10 | Looks right to me. | |
| 22:11 | Unless you're saying the leader plugin is 1-based not 0-based, in which case, yeah, totally wrong. | |
| 22:11 | pianohacker | jcamins: From my reading of the code and the MARC21 leader standard, it should be a value of " ", rather than "a". Small thing, but it makes me want to cross-check anything I copy from the existing cataloging plugins |
| 22:12 | jcamins: Plus, it's not even that it's 1-based, it's just that the first part should read 0-4 rather than 1-4 | |
| 22:12 | cjh | pianohacker: you had to read a marc standard, I am so sorry. |
| 22:12 | jcamins | pianohacker: wait, I was looking at line 21. |
| 22:12 | Line 19 is wrong. | |
| 22:12 | pianohacker | cjh: Working on a new cataloging editor, I'm looking at the whole kit and caboodle |
| 22:13 | jcamins | There should be an additional option for blank. |
| 22:13 | Actually, that's obsoleted. | |
| 22:13 | * jcamins | does a happy dance. |
| 22:13 | pianohacker | jcamins: Okay, phew. Didn't think that was valid |
| 22:13 | cjh | pianohacker: it is ok, we are here for you. |
| 22:14 | pianohacker | heh |
| 22:14 | drojf | marc is obsoleted? \o/ |
| 22:14 | cjh | ^^ please. |
| 22:14 | jcamins | Take that, pre-USMARC-standard-that-I-worked-with! |
| 22:14 | pianohacker | oh, it's been obsoleted since it was designed |
| 22:14 | people just kept using it for some perverse reason | |
| 22:15 | jcamins: And what on earth would that have been?! | |
| 22:15 | jcamins | pianohacker: I'm forgetting the name. |
| 22:15 | Which is silly. | |
| 22:15 | wizzyrea | a new cataloguing editor. |
| 22:15 | you, son, are brave. | |
| 22:15 | jcamins | MicroLIF. |
| 22:15 | wizzyrea | deep respect. |
| 22:16 | cjh | heh |
| 22:16 | jcamins | Now remembered only for its serialization format, it actually had tags that were slightly different than USMARC. |
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| 22:17 | jcamins | cait? |
| 22:17 | wahanui | cait is qam, not your secretary |
| 22:17 | jcamins | cait? |
| 22:17 | wahanui | go back to bed, cait. |
| 22:17 | mtompset | Greetings, cait jcamins wizzyrea bag rangi etc. :) |
| 22:17 | jcamins | ^^ that's it. |
| 22:18 | cait | hm? |
| 22:18 | hi all :) | |
| 22:18 | pianohacker | wizzyrea: Blame bag; I've been wanting to do it for years, but he's the client :) |
| 22:18 | jcamins | pianohacker: you're not integrating any MARC rules into your editor, right? |
| 22:19 | pianohacker | jcamins: Depends on what you mean by that. Anything MARC21-specific is modularized out, but the codebase is currently MARC specific, yes |
| 22:20 | jcamins | I mean the only assumption that is safe to make about MARC is that every record should have a leader (not will, but should, and therefore adding one is legitimate). |
| 22:21 | Well... one other safe assumption: it's going to be painful. :P | |
| 22:21 | pianohacker | jcamins: Indeed. Numeric tag numbers and alphanumeric subfields aren't even a safe assumption, as I found out |
| 22:22 | wizzyrea | adding a leader is good until you get the guy asking "why are all my things "books" when I gave them type 'DVD'" |
| 22:22 | jcamins | No, definitely not. |
| 22:22 | wizzyrea: that is an unfortunate side effect of the fact that the MARC format requires a leader. | |
| 22:23 | wizzyrea | yep - I'm not arguing that :) |
| 22:23 | i'm not really arguing anything tbh | |
| 22:23 | * wizzyrea | started a reply to that message, got tired |
| 22:23 | pianohacker | My code actually starts by overriding about half of the leaders just for sheer required sanity... |
| 22:24 | jcamins | pianohacker: no doubt you know this, but in UNIMARC fixed fields are 1xx. |
| 22:24 | cait | and they don't do isbd punctuation in the records... |
| 22:24 | jcamins | And UNIMARC records actually have a different structure. Especially authority records. |
| 22:25 | pianohacker | jcamins: Just to verify, those are fixed fields with subfields, not control fields, correct? |
| 22:25 | jcamins | pianohacker: I actually do not recall, which is why I mentioned it. |
| 22:26 | * jcamins | is baking cookies now. :) |
| 22:26 | pianohacker | heh, fair enough. UNIMARC is going to be a whole other ball of wax |
| 22:26 | jcamins: MARC discussion recovery fuel? :) | |
| 22:27 | jcamins | pianohacker: celebration of the fact that it's cool out. |
| 22:27 | pianohacker | also good |
| 22:27 | what kind of cookies? | |
| 22:28 | cait | cookies! |
| 22:28 | wahanui | Cookies are delicious delicacies |
| 22:28 | jcamins | Peanut butter chocolate-chip and orange-mint sugar cookies. |
| 22:28 | Made with actual orange-mint. | |
| 22:30 | cait | mmmh |
| 22:30 | jcamins | On another subject, Shari discovered today why I like our knives so much. |
| 22:30 | wizzyrea | because they are very extremely sharp? |
| 22:30 | jcamins | Yes. |
| 22:30 | wizzyrea | she still has all of her digits? |
| 22:30 | jcamins | Yes, thankfully. |
| 22:30 | pianohacker | ^ best possible attribute of a knife |
| 22:31 | wizzyrea | only relevant attribute of a knife, most times. :P |
| 22:31 | jcamins | But she didn't realize that it would go straight through an avocado seed without any particular effort. |
| 22:31 | pianohacker | oh wow |
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| 22:31 | wizzyrea | oh did she try to do the whack the seed trick? |
| 22:32 | jcamins | I suspect so. |
| 22:32 | wizzyrea | ouch ouch ouch |
| 22:32 | jcamins | Well, she didn't cut herself, so all's good. |
| 22:40 | Hm. | |
| 22:40 | What do you guys think about zucchini bread? | |
| 22:41 | cait | yum? |
| 22:41 | wahanui | well, yum is friendly enough. |
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| 22:42 | jcamins | Thanks. |
| 22:42 | Or maybe I'll make mini-zucchini squares. | |
| 22:44 | cait | yum? |
| 22:44 | wahanui | somebody said yum was friendly enough. |
| 22:44 | cait | good night all :) |
| 22:46 | jenkins_koha | Project master_maria build #17: STILL UNSTABLE in 37 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]/master_maria/17/ |
| 22:48 | Topic for #koha is now Welcome to the Koha IRC channel. The next general meeting is 7 August 2013 at 02:00 UTC. Please use paste.koha-community.org for long pastes | |
| 22:50 | jcamins | Or I suppose I could go for the Best Husband award and make zucchini pancakes... |
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| 23:13 | dcook | morning #koha |
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| 23:38 | dcook | wb cjh |
| 23:38 | Man...what're the chances of running into these circular dependency problems two days in a row.. | |
| 23:52 | mtompset | high? because the person doing it is the same? ;) |
| 23:54 | dcook | Different libraries, mtompset :p |
| 23:54 | Must be the situation that jcamins mentioned where loading modules in different ways produces different results | |
| 23:55 | in different ways = at different times |
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