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| 01:09 | dcook | MARC-- |
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| 01:16 | druthb | @karma MARC |
| 01:16 | huginn` | druthb: Karma for "MARC" has been increased 1 time and decreased 25 times for a total karma of -24. |
| 01:16 | druthb | awr! |
| 01:17 | dcook | The difference between the 730 and the 740 is weird... |
| 01:17 | * dcook | checks to see if the 740 is actually obsolete |
| 01:18 | dcook | Nope...doesn't look like it |
| 01:18 | 730 is for an added entry title (with an authority) | |
| 01:18 | 740 is an added entry title (without an authority) | |
| 01:18 | O_o | |
| 01:18 | druthb | the mind of a cataloger is a scary place. |
| 01:18 | dcook | No doubt about it |
| 01:19 | Although I'm not sure many cataloguers understand these distinctions either | |
| 01:19 | Well, maybe these ones | |
| 01:19 | But I remember during one of my first cataloguing classes...my instructor mentioned "analytics" and I didn't really understand what she meant until recently | |
| 01:19 | Today seems more enlightening...in a terrifying way | |
| 01:21 | Actually... | |
| 01:21 | AACR2-- | |
| 01:21 | @karm AACR2 | |
| 01:21 | huginn` | dcook: I'll give you the answer just as soon as RDA is ready |
| 01:21 | dcook | @karma AACR2 |
| 01:21 | huginn` | dcook: Karma for "AACR2" has been increased 0 times and decreased 1 time for a total karma of -1. |
| 01:21 | dcook | :o |
| 01:22 | druthb | AACR2-- |
| 01:29 | wizzyrea | dcook you've seen the wiki page for koha analytics eh? |
| 01:30 | it's SO helpful. | |
| 01:30 | analytics? | |
| 01:30 | wahanui | the 773$w field contains the value of the 001 field of the parent record. Also, MARC sucks. |
| 01:30 | wizzyrea | kek. |
| 01:30 | dcook | hehe |
| 01:30 | Yeah, I've read it, but I don't think it's 100% correct | |
| 01:31 | In fact, the more I read, the more I think that "analytics" is a subject about which there are conflicting views | |
| 01:31 | wizzyrea | it's a library, they're full of mad schemes |
| 01:31 | dcook | Yep :) |
| 01:34 | Looking at changing the word "Analytics" on the catalogue, and trying to think of the best label... | |
| 01:34 | Because strictly speaking "Articles" wouldn't be a good label | |
| 01:34 | Because you can have analytics for things other than articles | |
| 01:35 | But "Analytics" is a rather esoteric term to use.. | |
| 01:37 | Analytics also present an odd situation for lending... | |
| 01:38 | While you might circulate the journal volume | |
| 01:38 | You can't really circulate a journal article (except via photocopy or scan) | |
| 01:43 | "Constituents" is pretty esoteric as well.. | |
| 01:44 | jcamins | dcook: actually, the distinction between 730 and 740 isn't that weird, if you think about it. |
| 01:45 | 740 is the equivalent of a 246 where it's not just an added title. | |
| 01:45 | i.e. a title added entry rather than additional title would go in a 740 instead of a 246. | |
| 01:45 | dcook | How is 740 an equivalent of 246? |
| 01:45 | wizzyrea | dcook I think what you are wanting is the thing that tracks requests for articles, but doesn't have to circulate them. |
| 01:45 | dcook | wizzyrea: Perhaps? |
| 01:46 | jcamins: Wouldn't that be a 730? | |
| 01:46 | Depending on if it were a uniform title | |
| 01:46 | (or if there were an authority record present...not entirely sure on that distinction) | |
| 01:46 | jcamins | dcook: no, 730 is for uniform titles, which are for things that *can be cataloged separately*. |
| 01:46 | dcook | "Uniform title, a related or an analytical title that is controlled by an authority file or list, used as an added entry." |
| 01:47 | That's from the 730 | |
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| 01:47 | dcook | Here's the 740: "Added entries for related or analytical titles that are not controlled through an authority file or list. (If related or analytical titles are controlled by an authority file, use field 730 (Added entry - uniform title))." |
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| 01:47 | dcook | Seems like the whole 440/490 thing |
| 01:47 | jcamins | Very similar, yes. |
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| 01:48 | dcook | I'm a bit over the 730/740 at the moment anyway |
| 01:48 | At the moment, I'm thinking about 773/774 pairings... | |
| 01:48 | jcamins | 774 is rarely used, alas. |
| 01:48 | dcook | And the use of 700-750(?) added entries for analytics |
| 01:49 | * dcook | is looking at http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]ic_Record_support as we speak |
| 01:50 | dcook | "jcamins: We have one journal with 4176+ analytics" |
| 01:50 | Good point | |
| 01:50 | I hadn't thought of it like that.. | |
| 01:50 | You wouldn't have a bib for each serial volume...just for the serial title | |
| 01:50 | jcamins | You know that RFC was never developed, right? |
| 01:50 | dcook | Right, just looking at all the information I can get on "analytics" |
| 01:51 | Partially for labelling purposes, and partially just for comprehension | |
| 01:51 | jcamins | That's not a great place to look for comprehension. |
| 01:53 | dcook | Fair enough, but at least it's a conversation |
| 01:53 | jcamins | Yeah, and unfortunately it's probably the best you're going to get. |
| 01:53 | Well... | |
| 01:53 | You saw my talk, eh? | |
| 01:54 | dcook | Mmm, ish |
| 01:54 | Since it's for a version of Koha beyond 3.8.0, it didn't meet my immediate needs | |
| 01:54 | jcamins | It was called Analytic records and Koha. |
| 01:54 | dcook | The one from Kohacon12? |
| 01:54 | I can be a bit ADD with videos as well ;) | |
| 01:54 | jcamins | Yeah. |
| 01:54 | It couldn't have been about a version post-3.8. | |
| 01:55 | It was given shortly after the release of 3.8, wasn't it? | |
| 01:56 | dcook | Hmm |
| 01:56 | I think it talked about 3 workflows, but I'm not sure all are available to me at the moment | |
| 01:56 | Plus, at the moment, I'm more interested in knowing what is "supposed" to occur rather than what "does" occur | |
| 01:57 | jcamins | All should be available. |
| 01:57 | That was definitely about 3.8. | |
| 01:57 | dcook | Hmm, perhaps I'll have to watch the video again sometime |
| 01:57 | Do you have the link handy? | |
| 01:57 | jcamins | Actually I do. |
| 01:57 | http://archive.org/details/Koh[…]ticRecordsAndKoha | |
| 01:58 | dcook | Whoa...kf's catalogue does sound rather well linked |
| 01:58 | jcamins | Please disregard the funny hair. |
| 01:58 | Yeah, I'm so jealous of kf's analytics. | |
| 01:58 | And the authority records. | |
| 01:58 | Well, other than the bizarreness of the way they decided to encode the added data. | |
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| 02:08 | dcook | I think I understood while watching the video...but now I'm a bit back to square one |
| 02:08 | 1) Catalogue by hand using the 773 | |
| 02:09 | 2) EasyAnalyticalRecords, which creates a link next to the item record where you can link to other records? | |
| 02:09 | 3) ... | |
| 02:09 | A link/button that adds a child record? | |
| 02:09 | jcamins | Right, right, and "enhanced" analytics that pre-populates 773s in new records. |
| 02:09 | Exactly. | |
| 02:10 | dcook | Although you need to have EasyAnalyticalRecords and UseControlNo turned on for #3? |
| 02:10 | jcamins | No, EasyAnalyticalRecords has to be turned off. |
| 02:10 | UseControlNo must be on, though. | |
| 02:12 | dcook | Interesting...thanks for the info :) |
| 02:12 | jcamins | You're welcome. |
| 02:14 | dcook | Hmm, EasyAnalyticalRecords is a neat idea. |
| 02:15 | jcamins | It is. |
| 02:15 | It's not as elegant as enhanced analytics. | |
| 02:16 | But it's very practical. | |
| 02:18 | dcook | I haven't seen it implemented, but it sounds very practical. Provided that you continue to use Koha. |
| 02:19 | If you did want to share records or use another system some day, it seems like you'd be in trouble. | |
| 02:19 | You mentioned that 774s are rare... | |
| 02:19 | jcamins | Yes, definitely. |
| 02:20 | To both those observations. | |
| 02:20 | dcook | I suppose I'm still a bit confused as to the difference of added entries vs linking entries in the context of analytics |
| 02:20 | The added entries explicitly say that they are to be used for analytic entries | |
| 02:21 | Yet, they do not in themselves link to those constituent records.. | |
| 02:21 | jcamins | Added entries are for collocation, not connection. |
| 02:21 | Linking entries are for connection but probably not collocation. | |
| 02:22 | dcook | It seems silly to me to have separate entries in that case |
| 02:22 | Why not have one entry that does both? | |
| 02:22 | jcamins | Because you don't usually want both. |
| 02:23 | dcook | Mmm, I suppose not. |
| 02:23 | jcamins | Actually, looking at the way things are configured, linking entries are used for both. |
| 02:23 | dcook | Wait...sometimes, I think you would |
| 02:24 | jcamins: You mean in terms of the 773 (and possibly 787)? | |
| 02:25 | jcamins | Yes. |
| 02:25 | I don't think we handle 787 now. | |
| 02:25 | dcook | I added that one in recently but haven't sent in a patch yet |
| 02:25 | It seems fairly similar to the 773 but with a different constant | |
| 02:25 | And I think perhaps a couple different subfields | |
| 02:25 | jcamins | Yup. |
| 02:26 | dcook | I suppose a lot of added entries wouldn't be useful for linking |
| 02:26 | With the exception of the 730 and 740 | |
| 02:26 | But then since there are other types of linking relationships...maybe it does make sense to have another set for linking | |
| 02:28 | I imagine that 730 and 740s must be fairly rare as well | |
| 02:28 | Perhaps more rare for serials than monographs | |
| 02:29 | Aha! | |
| 02:30 | LoC gives an example where a record has a 730 and a 787...http://www.loc.gov/marc/bibliographic/bd730.html | |
| 02:30 | jcamins: I think I see now what you meant about collocation and connection. You're not always going to have separate records...but you might always want an added entry (unless you have a lot of added entries( | |
| 02:31 | * dcook | feels a bit like he's levelled up his MARC21 knowledge |
| 02:31 | jcamins | Exactly. |
| 02:31 | I also use 730 for bound-withs. | |
| 02:32 | (in instances where they're related) | |
| 02:32 | dcook | Yeah, I was reading a bit about that as well. That makes sense. |
| 02:32 | Mmm, authority control. | |
| 02:32 | jcamins | Because the records aren't actually *linked* in a way appropriate for 76x-78x, but you'd like them collocated. |
| 02:33 | dcook | Well, that's something I wasn't entirely clear on. |
| 02:33 | Why aren't they linked in a way appropriate for 76x-78x? | |
| 02:34 | jcamins | There is no bibliographic relationship. |
| 02:34 | It is an accident of collocation. | |
| 02:36 | dcook | Hmm. |
| 02:37 | But how is that really any different than a serial? | |
| 02:37 | Say you have an item with a collective title of essays | |
| 02:37 | I suppose it would be silly to reproduce a lot of the bibliographic information in multiple records when all you want is another title.. | |
| 02:38 | jcamins | Those are analytics. |
| 02:38 | dcook | In the context of a bound-with, I'm fairly certain that the 730 would also be used as an analytic |
| 02:38 | jcamins | Unless you mean from article to article, in which case you'd use 730/740. |
| 02:38 | dcook | At least as LoC/MARC21 define it |
| 02:38 | O_o | |
| 02:39 | article to article? | |
| 02:39 | Mm, I think I see what you're saying | |
| 02:39 | Wait, no I don't, lol | |
| 02:40 | jcamins | So, let's say we have an anthology that was analyzed. |
| 02:40 | dcook | I can understand "Book" -> "Chapter" as an analytic. But wouldn't "Book" -> "Work 1" also be an analytic? |
| 02:40 | k | |
| 02:41 | jcamins | The anthology has several analytics. Articles 1, 2, 3, and 4. |
| 02:42 | That's with 773. | |
| 02:42 | The articles can be linked to the anthology with 774s. | |
| 02:42 | However, the articles do not have any particular bibliographic relationship to each other. | |
| 02:43 | But you might want to collocate them anyway. | |
| 02:43 | So you add 730s. | |
| 02:44 | dcook | I'm with you so far. |
| 02:44 | jcamins | That's about it, actually. |
| 02:45 | But 787 doesn't make sense. | |
| 02:45 | dcook | Probably not in this case. |
| 02:46 | I'm a bit confused by your use of the term anthology. | |
| 02:46 | What you described seems like the regular process for a journal -> article relationship | |
| 02:46 | jcamins | Yes. |
| 02:47 | The reason I used anthology instead of journal is that you'd never link articles in a journal. | |
| 02:47 | dcook | And I was thinking "anthology -> essays/stories/works" would be the same |
| 02:47 | jcamins | Yes. |
| 02:47 | dcook | O_o |
| 02:47 | jcamins | Think about it... |
| 02:47 | you might have 175 volumes of a journal. | |
| 02:47 | Do you *really* want every article collocated with every article in each of those 175 volumes? | |
| 02:48 | dcook | You're not saying the same thing though |
| 02:48 | You probably wouldn't want them collocated | |
| 02:48 | But you would want them linked | |
| 02:48 | Mmm, but I see what you mean | |
| 02:48 | jcamins | Only via the parent journal. |
| 02:48 | dcook | Right |
| 02:48 | Hence, the reason for anthology when describing the process of collocation and connection | |
| 02:48 | Ok, fair enough. | |
| 02:49 | jcamins | Yup. |
| 02:49 | dcook | But that takes us back to the bound-with scenario. |
| 02:49 | jcamins | The bound-with doesn't have a volume record. |
| 02:49 | Just articles. | |
| 02:49 | dcook | O_o |
| 02:50 | I'm wondering if we have different ideas about what a bound-with is? | |
| 02:50 | jcamins | At least, that's the normal practice. |
| 02:50 | dcook | I'm fairly new to the term, admittedly. |
| 02:50 | jcamins | Possibly. |
| 02:50 | dcook | You have a book with or without a collective title. |
| 02:50 | Within that book, you have several related or unrelated works | |
| 02:50 | jcamins | Right. |
| 02:51 | That were published completely independently and later combined into a single binding. | |
| 02:51 | dcook | Possibly |
| 02:51 | I read about a case where that wasn't necessarily the situation | |
| 02:51 | But anyway | |
| 02:51 | jcamins | Oh? |
| 02:51 | dcook | The first work had been published before |
| 02:51 | wizzyrea | a case you have to deal with? |
| 02:51 | dcook | But the second was published for the first time in the book with the reprint of the first |
| 02:51 | wizzyrea: Not really. | |
| 02:52 | wizzyrea: But maybe one day. | |
| 02:52 | jcamins | That wouldn't usually be called a "bound-with." |
| 02:53 | dcook | What would it be called? |
| 02:53 | jcamins | I don't think there is a term. |
| 02:53 | wizzyrea | sounds like a remote edge case |
| 02:53 | dcook | Well, regardless of that, back to both being published independently and later combined into a single binding. |
| 02:53 | jcamins | You'd just include a note "published with a reprint of work 1, pp. 1-100." |
| 02:54 | (and there would be two records) | |
| 02:54 | dcook | Perhaps I use the word "reprint" incorrectly |
| 02:54 | Actually, almost certainly | |
| 02:54 | Well, perhaps not certainly | |
| 02:54 | jcamins | Reissue? |
| 02:54 | * dcook | shrugs |
| 02:55 | * jcamins | tries to think of other possibilities. |
| 02:55 | * dcook | tries to find the example |
| 02:55 | dcook | http://www.tulane.edu/~techserv/addedentries.html |
| 02:56 | Oh wait...I'm silly | |
| 02:56 | Unless this isn't the example I'm thinking of | |
| 02:56 | In this case, they both were published before...just the 2nd one had a different title | |
| 02:57 | A better link: http://www.tulane.edu/~techser[…]dentries.html#eg2 | |
| 02:57 | jcamins | There are no analytics at all there. |
| 02:57 | That's a single record. | |
| 02:57 | So there's no need for linking, just collocation. | |
| 02:58 | dcook | According to MARC21, that 700 and 740 are analytical entries |
| 02:59 | They're added entries rather than linked entries... | |
| 02:59 | jcamins | Right, but not analytics. |
| 02:59 | wizzyrea | gu4d4lc4n4l |
| 02:59 | dcook | I haven't seen the term "analytics" used anywhere in MARC21 except in terms of "analytical entries" |
| 02:59 | jcamins | wizzyrea: ? |
| 02:59 | wizzyrea | yea neat. |
| 02:59 | dcook | wizzyrea: That doesn't look like Greek :p |
| 02:59 | wizzyrea | it's not |
| 03:00 | it's in the solomon islands :) | |
| 03:00 | jcamins | dcook: it's not, aren't you trying to figure out what "analytics" means? |
| 03:00 | dcook | Not exactly |
| 03:00 | wizzyrea | plus that's what marc looks like to me most days. |
| 03:00 | jcamins | dcook: oh, I thought that's what you were trying to figure out... |
| 03:00 | dcook | jcamins: Rather, I want to know why you would link articles in a journal via 773 but not works in a collected work l |
| 03:01 | jcamins | I would use 773 in both cases. |
| 03:01 | dcook | ... |
| 03:01 | This whole time, I thought you were saying that you wouldn't | |
| 03:01 | jcamins | No, I would. |
| 03:01 | dcook | Just a moment ago, you said "...there's no need for linking, just collocation" |
| 03:01 | jcamins | I thought you were asking about why I would or would not use 730. |
| 03:02 | dcook | Oh no, I can understand why you'd use a 730 for a collected work but not a journal |
| 03:02 | Being mainly the number of 730s for a journal would be insane | |
| 03:03 | jcamins | Right. |
| 03:03 | And the reason you don't need linking is there's nothing to link to. | |
| 03:03 | In that particular example. | |
| 03:03 | dcook | When would there be though? |
| 03:03 | If they hadn't used 730s? | |
| 03:04 | jcamins | If they had more than one record. :P |
| 03:04 | dcook | It seems to me that there's objectively no way to know if there is or is not more than one record in this instance :p |
| 03:04 | jcamins | Sure there is. |
| 03:05 | There's a 505, 740, and no 773. | |
| 03:05 | dcook | Ok, but there could be |
| 03:06 | jcamins | Yeah, and if they'd decided to go that way, they'd use linking fields, and 730s in the two child records. |
| 03:06 | dcook | 730s in the child records? |
| 03:06 | jcamins | Right. |
| 03:06 | If you want them collocated. | |
| 03:07 | dcook | Ack, I tripped up a moment ago |
| 03:07 | That was the record for the collective works | |
| 03:07 | So there wouldn't be a 773, because the 773 is only in the child record | |
| 03:07 | Pointing back to the parent | |
| 03:07 | or host | |
| 03:09 | jcamins | But based on the 240, this is a record for the first child. |
| 03:09 | Which is why the presence of the 505 tells me that there's no other record. | |
| 03:09 | Remember, this is all cataloger choice. | |
| 03:10 | dcook | That doesn't really make sense though. |
| 03:10 | As the example says, " This edition consists of a collection of two separate works by the same author (cf. AACR2/LCRI 25.7), listed in a 505 contents note." | |
| 03:10 | jcamins | Why not? |
| 03:10 | dcook | I take that to mean that this record is for the parent record or the collection |
| 03:11 | The 240 is...a bit confusing | |
| 03:11 | But I figure that means the authorized title of the collective work happens to the be the same as the first work | |
| 03:11 | jcamins | The 240 makes sense because there are no analytic records. |
| 03:11 | Just the one. | |
| 03:12 | dcook | Mm, still not following. |
| 03:12 | jcamins | It's a bit weird, but if you think about it, it does actually make sense. |
| 03:12 | dcook | The parent record will never have a pointer to the child record, unless it has a 774, no? |
| 03:12 | * jcamins | is too tired to think of another example of this offhand. |
| 03:12 | jcamins | Right. |
| 03:12 | dcook | Fair enough. I have been going pretty hard at you :p |
| 03:12 | It makes sense to me insofar as it seems a bit purposeless to have another record | |
| 03:13 | So long as you index both titles, your user will find the record | |
| 03:13 | As a bibliographic unit, it probably should have just one record | |
| 03:14 | But by that same token, a serial should probably have a top level bib record for the work overall, then volume-level records with 730s for the individual articles | |
| 03:14 | jcamins | Only if there are independent titles. |
| 03:15 | dcook | As in unbound titles? |
| 03:15 | jcamins | Like, if each volume has its own title. |
| 03:15 | For example... | |
| 03:16 | dcook | Mmm, I follow |
| 03:16 | jcamins | Vol. 1 of The Slavicist has the title "Slavic Librarianship." |
| 03:16 | dcook | I suppose having records for individual articles allows you to do more with 6XX fields as well |
| 03:16 | jcamins | Vol. 2 has the title "Libraries in Poland." |
| 03:16 | Then there would be three levels of records. | |
| 03:16 | Serial, volume, article. | |
| 03:17 | dcook | From a search and circulation point of view, that could still make sense with the same title |
| 03:17 | Actually, we've talked a bit about that with "kits" | |
| 03:18 | Having a container record (volume-equivalent) and then individual records for pieces | |
| 03:18 | You should be able to find each piece on its own... | |
| 03:18 | jcamins | Yes, that would make sense. |
| 03:18 | dcook | But you need to know that's part of a specific kit...and that that specific kit is tied to a particular record |
| 03:19 | So you check out the kit (or volume), and all the constituents records become unavailable | |
| 03:19 | contituent items even | |
| 03:19 | jcamins | That's what EasyAnalytics is for. |
| 03:19 | dcook | Right, but that's not standards based |
| 03:19 | There should be a standard for it | |
| 03:20 | jcamins | There should be. |
| 03:20 | dcook | I suppose you could do it with marc21 |
| 03:20 | But it would be a lot of work as well | |
| 03:20 | jcamins | Let's make four new standards for it, so that we can all agree. :P |
| 03:20 | dcook | hehe |
| 03:20 | That's the crux of the whole thing. | |
| 03:21 | Even with a standard, it's not going to be implemented the same universally. | |
| 03:21 | As you said, it's all the cataloguers choice | |
| 03:21 | And better to make a error consistently than to sometimes follow a standard and sometimes not | |
| 03:21 | jcamins | Yup. |
| 03:22 | dcook | Now that I think about it, in the case of the label for "Show analytics" |
| 03:22 | We probably could go for "Show articles" or something like that | |
| 03:22 | Because that is only shown if the host record has a fixed field of "s - serial" | |
| 03:22 | jcamins | Or collection. |
| 03:22 | Or set, whichever it is. | |
| 03:22 | dcook | That might be new |
| 03:23 | jcamins | Really? Maybe. |
| 03:23 | dcook | My XSLT (from 3.8.0) just says s - serial |
| 03:23 | Oh wait... | |
| 03:23 | Volumes of sets and traced series show as "Show volumes" | |
| 03:24 | jcamins | Oh, that may be what I was thinking of. |
| 03:24 | dcook | Leader19 will show "Show: " followed by a link of some kind.. |
| 03:27 | * dcook | shrugs |
| 03:27 | dcook | Thanks for the stimulating conversation, jcamins :) |
| 03:36 | jcamins | My pleasure. |
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| 04:15 | dcook | How do people handle electronic resources? |
| 04:15 | I would think that you would have a bibliographic record for an electronic resource, use as many 856s as needed, and have 0 item records | |
| 04:15 | wizzyrea | now that you can have URL's per item, it might make sense to have items |
| 04:15 | dcook | That scenario does seem fairly common |
| 04:15 | Although I'm not sure that I understand it | |
| 04:15 | wizzyrea | the display of the 856's might be... unruly. |
| 04:16 | dcook | Hmm, I suppose |
| 04:16 | wizzyrea | if you had one bibliographic record, with one resource associated |
| 04:16 | dcook | We wrote a feature a while ago that merged the 856 and 952 URLs anyway.. |
| 04:16 | wizzyrea | I'd do it in the 856 |
| 04:16 | if you had more than one, I'd do it with urls in the items | |
| 04:16 | dcook | So if you have an item with a URL, do you just mark it as not for loan? |
| 04:16 | wizzyrea | and use the item note to differentiate them |
| 04:17 | you make a not for loan type of "electronic resource" | |
| 04:17 | or something like that | |
| 04:17 | so essentially, yes | |
| 04:17 | dcook | Yeah, that seems to be the only way I've been able to figure |
| 04:17 | Then possibly another label than "Available for reference" | |
| 04:18 | jcamins | I prefer 856s because they will all show up in the results. |
| 04:18 | dcook | "Copies available electronically" perhaps |
| 04:18 | wizzyrea | you can use "use restrictions" for that |
| 04:18 | * dcook | agrees with jcamins |
| 04:18 | wizzyrea | just create one |
| 04:18 | dcook | Oh? |
| 04:18 | "use restrictions"? | |
| 04:18 | jcamins | You can create another option for not for loan. |
| 04:18 | I do that a lot. | |
| 04:18 | wizzyrea | right, I'm saying you'd use both |
| 04:18 | a not for loan type of "electronic" | |
| 04:18 | jcamins | Ohhh, got it. |
| 04:18 | wizzyrea | and a use restriction (it doesn't mean anything anyway) |
| 04:19 | "Avaliable for reference | |
| 04:19 | or whatever | |
| 04:19 | jcamins | That makes sense. |
| 04:19 | wizzyrea | then you can have |
| 04:19 | Electronic item - in library use only | |
| 04:19 | electronic item - web accessible | |
| 04:19 | and so on | |
| 04:20 | dcook | In the search results? |
| 04:20 | wizzyrea | use restrictions can be used to describe how things are NOT restricted, as well as how they *are* |
| 04:20 | jcamins | wizzyrea: agreed, that makes sense. |
| 04:20 | wizzyrea | use restrictions are item only |
| 04:20 | and not-for-loan | |
| 04:21 | so that's possibly a case against 856 | |
| 04:21 | truly? I'd probably add the 856 *and* the item. | |
| 04:21 | yea, it's dupicated but... the item display can be so nice for that. | |
| 04:21 | or I guess you can just type your use restriction into the link text | |
| 04:21 | should you have one | |
| 04:22 | the answer you seek, there's not a definitive one | |
| 04:22 | :P | |
| 04:22 | whichever display you like better | |
| 04:22 | is the one you should use | |
| 04:24 | dcook | Well, it's not necessarily up to me in the end :p |
| 04:24 | So the "use restriction" shows at the item-detail level.. | |
| 04:26 | If you don't allow holds on electronic item types, then you don't need to worry about hold...and "available" looks fine on the detail page (plus using that "use restriction" could be handy) | |
| 04:28 | Maybe the key is to add in some "use restriction" handling in XSLT.pm | |
| 04:28 | for things like "electronic" and "photocopy" | |
| 04:28 | wizzyrea | could do, could do |
| 04:29 | dcook | Of course, that would need magic values... |
| 04:29 | jcamins | dcook: huh? Why? |
| 04:29 | wahanui | huh? Why are you installing firefox instead of just using iceweasel? |
| 04:29 | jcamins | That's already available. |
| 04:29 | dcook | jcamins: How do you mean? |
| 04:29 | On my XSLT, there's "available for loan" and "available for reference" | |
| 04:29 | C'est tout | |
| 04:29 | jcamins | The use restrictions are available for display. |
| 04:30 | dcook | On the detail page |
| 04:30 | Not the research results | |
| 04:30 | search even | |
| 04:30 | jcamins | You just need to change the XSLT, not XSLT.pm as far as I can see. |
| 04:31 | However, I could be missing something. | |
| 04:31 | dcook | Mmm, I think you're probably right |
| 04:32 | Nope, think it needs to be done in the XSLT.pm | |
| 04:32 | The item xml only has status, homebranch, itemcallnumber | |
| 04:32 | jcamins | Hm. In that case, yeah, requires a code change. |
| 04:33 | I thought it loaded the entire hashref. | |
| 04:34 | Maybe that was changed for performance reasons. | |
| 04:35 | dcook | Could be. It would be nice to have access to more data. |
| 04:35 | wizzyrea | yours only has that :P |
| 04:35 | 3.12 has a lot more stuff | |
| 04:36 | dcook | Good point, wizzyrea |
| 04:36 | Damned 3.8... | |
| 04:36 | wizzyrea | but I think it does not have use restrictions - no matter it should be simple to add. |
| 04:38 | dcook | Holdingbranch, location, and ccode, eh? |
| 04:39 | Would have to hardcode in values for use restrictions, me thinks | |
| 04:39 | No context available for intranet v opac labels | |
| 04:41 | I'm thinking that "use restriction" might be better than "not for loan" | |
| 04:41 | In the case of wanting to be able to photocopy something, maybe you do want patrons to be able to place a hold on something | |
| 04:42 | And to check it out/check it in to record the use | |
| 04:47 | wizzyrea | well use restriction doesn't do anything |
| 04:47 | it's just a note | |
| 04:47 | it has no behaviour | |
| 04:47 | dcook | Exactly. |
| 04:47 | Which would be handy | |
| 04:48 | The behaviour could be controlled in the circ rules | |
| 04:48 | In this case, we just want to distinguish it as a special kind of available | |
| 04:48 | * dcook | tries to think if there are holes in this logic |
| 04:49 | wizzyrea | you'll find them when you test it |
| 04:49 | :) | |
| 04:49 | dcook | True enough :) |
| 04:49 | wizzyrea | if there are any |
| 05:05 | dcook | Proposed the idea :) |
| 05:06 | I just realized that it should actually be quite flexible | |
| 05:06 | Just add "use restriction" into the item xml, and then do all the hardcoding in the template... | |
| 05:06 | Which can be changed from client to client, if necessary | |
| 05:06 | And from Koha vendor to Koha vendor, of course | |
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| 05:33 | dcook | Hey cait :) |
| 05:33 | cait | hi dcook :) |
| 05:33 | dcook | By chance does anyone know of an editor that has TT syntax highlighting? |
| 05:33 | That would be awesome... | |
| 05:34 | rangi | dcook: vim |
| 05:34 | vim has everything | |
| 05:35 | https://github.com/vim-perl/vim-perl | |
| 05:36 | under syntax is the tt2 plugin | |
| 05:36 | but it has a ton of other useful highlighting too | |
| 05:36 | dcook | Oh my... |
| 05:36 | * dcook | grins |
| 05:37 | dcook | Thanks, rangi |
| 05:37 | I'm going to try this out :D | |
| 05:37 | rangi | @later tell tcohen yep they dont have full build environments set up yet, galens is testing docs, i could get them doing builds as well, but i would like galens to be running maria so we run tests on both mysql and maria |
| 05:37 | huginn` | rangi: The operation succeeded. |
| 05:38 | dcook | Planning on moving Koha over to Maria? |
| 05:40 | rangi | yep |
| 05:40 | oracle are destroying mysql | |
| 05:40 | it wont be long before all the distros drop it | |
| 05:40 | we should be prepared | |
| 05:41 | dcook | Couldn't agree more |
| 05:41 | I've known a few people who've recently moved over to it | |
| 05:42 | At least initially, it was pretty painless | |
| 05:42 | rangi | yep |
| 05:47 | dcook | Hmm, is there a localized filetype.vim that can be edited? |
| 05:48 | That is rather cool.. | |
| 05:53 | rangi | i dont know |
| 05:53 | dcook | I think it's a possibility. Looking into it now ;) |
| 05:53 | http://vimdoc.sourceforge.net/[…]html#new-filetype | |
| 05:53 | Oh, vim | |
| 06:09 | cait | @wunder Konstanz |
| 06:09 | huginn` | cait: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is 18.0°C (8:00 AM CEST on July 17, 2013). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 58%. Dew Point: 12.0°C. Pressure: 30.16 in 1021 hPa (Rising). |
| 06:14 | dcook | rangi: No go in the end. The instructions for that syntax plugin aren't all that clear (to me). Plus, going through Putty probably means that I'm not seeing Vim's syntax highlighting anyway |
| 06:14 | Although maybe it's just different colours.. | |
| 06:16 | Hmm, maybe because the files I downloaded were the wrong ones... | |
| 06:16 | That could make a difference | |
| 06:19 | W00t | |
| 06:19 | Helps when you use the actual code ;) | |
| 06:28 | rangi: Do you use that TT plugin for vim? | |
| 06:29 | rangi | havent nope, but i use the perl one |
| 06:29 | plus the perltidy hooks | |
| 06:29 | dcook | I should probably do the same at some point... |
| 06:29 | This TT plugin isn't too shabby | |
| 06:30 | rangi | its good for tidying just the stuff you have changed |
| 06:30 | dcook | Handy |
| 06:30 | * dcook | wonders when it got to be 4:30... |
| 06:31 | dcook | P.S. Turns out you can set up a user filetype.vim :) |
| 06:31 | Which will automatically apply the syntax highlighting for anything with a .tt file extension | |
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| 06:32 | rangi | sweet |
| 06:33 | ill add it to my user package | |
| 06:33 | dcook | Ideally, it would be nice if it could highlight the "end" tags... |
| 06:34 | Maybe it can and I didn't set up that part right | |
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| 06:37 | reiveune | hello |
| 06:38 | rangi | hi reiveune |
| 06:38 | dcook | hey reiveune :) |
| 06:38 | ça va? | |
| 06:38 | reiveune | hi rangi , dcook :) |
| 06:39 | dcook: bie, et toi ? | |
| 06:40 | dcook | assez bien aussi |
| 06:44 | reiveune | tant mieux :) |
| 06:50 | dcook | Alors, bogue est le mot français pour 'bug'? C'est assez facile d'rappeler. |
| 06:50 | * dcook | wonders a bit why there is a LocalCoverImages preference... |
| 06:55 | rangi | so you can turn them off? without having to go round deleting them all? |
| 06:55 | dcook | rangi: I was thinking because the only place they show up is in the "Images" tab in the detail record |
| 06:55 | It's just that the syspref text is incorrect | |
| 06:55 | ish | |
| 06:56 | Since they don't show up in search results | |
| 06:56 | rangi | they dont? wtf not? |
| 06:56 | dcook | Well, for starters, there's no HTML for them to hook onto |
| 06:56 | It would be easy enough to add though | |
| 06:57 | rangi | why would we half add them? |
| 06:57 | dcook | That's a very good question |
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| 07:00 | rangi | its in the doc-head-close.inc |
| 07:00 | so the js is on everypage | |
| 07:00 | dcook | Yep |
| 07:01 | But there's no '$("div [id^=local-thumbnail]"'' in the results.tt | |
| 07:01 | Actually, that doesn't look quite right either | |
| 07:01 | That should be more of a.. | |
| 07:01 | rangi | hmmm |
| 07:02 | dcook | Oh wait, no...that would be all right |
| 07:02 | rangi | there is |
| 07:02 | koha-tmpl/opac-tmpl/prog/en/modules/opac-results.tt: [% IF ( OPACLocalCoverImages ) %]<span title="[% SEARCH_RESULT.biblionumber |url %]" class="[% SEARCH_RESULT.biblionumber %]" id="local-thumbnail[% loop.count %]"></span>[% END %] | |
| 07:02 | dcook | Yeah, in the opac |
| 07:02 | Not in the intranet though | |
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| 07:02 | gaetan_B | hello |
| 07:02 | dcook | salut gaetan_B |
| 07:02 | rangi | ahh i pretty much dont care about the staff side |
| 07:03 | we spend way too much time on it, and nowhere enough on the public side :) | |
| 07:03 | so im happy to leave it for others | |
| 07:03 | dcook | Fair enough. I might add it in sometime soon. |
| 07:03 | * dcook | looks at the burgeoning task list |
| 07:04 | dcook | Exciting about Owen doing a Boostrap Opac |
| 07:04 | Bootstrap* | |
| 07:04 | I just wonder why it was "almost" put in for the intranet though | |
| 07:04 | It seems like one line of code is missing | |
| 07:05 | gaetan_B | hi dcook :) |
| 07:05 | rangi | yeah |
| 07:05 | cjh | evening #koha |
| 07:06 | kf | what feature are we missing in intranet? |
| 07:06 | dcook | LocalCoverImages |
| 07:06 | Except in the "Images" tab | |
| 07:07 | kf | ah |
| 07:11 | dcook | But...maybe I'll fix that soon :) |
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| 07:15 | cjh | awesome, 3.8.14 translation updates now in 3.8.x |
| 07:16 | bgkriegel++ | |
| 07:17 | kf | bgkriegel++ cjh++ tcohen++ :) |
| 07:17 | cjh: did you pick the security fix yet? | |
| 07:18 | cjh | not yet, only just found time to rmaint so doing it now :) |
| 07:18 | kf | cool |
| 07:18 | cjh | 10590 will be in 3.8.15 :) |
| 07:19 | dcook | cjh++ |
| 07:29 | mtj: Still not around? | |
| 07:29 | jenkins_koha | Starting build #329 for job Koha_3.8.x (previous build: FIXED) |
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| 08:07 | jenkins_koha | Project Koha_3.8.x build #329: SUCCESS in 39 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]b/Koha_3.8.x/329/ |
| 08:07 | Bernardo Gonzalez Kriegel: Language updates for 3.8.14 | |
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| 08:08 | christophe_c | hello #koha |
| 08:08 | jenkins_koha | Starting build #330 for job Koha_3.8.x (previous build: SUCCESS) |
| 08:10 | kf | mtj: still around? |
| 08:22 | Joubu: around? | |
| 08:50 | eythian | hi |
| 08:50 | wahanui | what's up, eythian |
| 08:53 | jenkins_koha | Project Koha_3.8.x build #330: SUCCESS in 45 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]b/Koha_3.8.x/330/ |
| 08:53 | * Galen Charlton: bug 6281: add test case for sorting LC call numbers correctly | |
| 08:53 | * Galen Charlton: bug 6281: introduce LC::CallNumber::LC for sorting LC call numbers | |
| 08:53 | * Galen Charlton: bug 6281: add Library::CallNumber::LC as a required Perl dependency | |
| 08:53 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6281 normal, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Pushed to Stable , Bug in LCC sort routine |
| 08:54 | jenkins_koha | Starting build #331 for job Koha_3.8.x (previous build: SUCCESS) |
| 09:34 | Project Koha_3.8.x build #331: SUCCESS in 39 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]b/Koha_3.8.x/331/ | |
| 09:34 | * Galen Charlton: bug 9370: test case for splitting LC call number | |
| 09:34 | * Galen Charlton: bug 9370: add invalid call number to LC splitting test cases | |
| 09:34 | * Galen Charlton: bug 9370: improve splitting of LC call numbers for labels | |
| 09:34 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9370 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Pushed to Stable , use Library::CallNumber::LC when splitting LC call numbers for spine labels |
| 09:59 | Joubu | kf: yep |
| 10:18 | kf | Joubu: hi :) i hve problems getting the qa-tools working in my new dev environment and was hopbin for some pointers |
| 10:18 | mtj | dcook, kf, about now... |
| 10:19 | kf | running prove first complained about missing modules |
| 10:19 | then i installed all fo them | |
| 10:19 | and now it's not running at all? | |
| 10:19 | You have to be at the root of the koha-qa-tools project at t/Perl.t and i am in the qa-test-tools directory :( | |
| 10:20 | i am not sure the Readme is correct | |
| 10:20 | lots is not working as it's written there | |
| 10:20 | mtj | kf, pastebin your error... |
| 10:20 | kf | sec... different server |
| 10:21 | paste.koha-community.org/122 | |
| 10:21 | mtj | and.. hi! :) |
| 10:21 | kf | hi :) |
| 10:21 | mtj: the cpan command didn't work, but I installed the modules using apt-get and only had 1 so far that was not in debian | |
| 10:22 | mtj | 1 tic... |
| 10:23 | just doing a little test, myself | |
| 10:25 | kf | also this when I try to run it from the koha repositoy |
| 10:25 | paste.koha-community.org/123 | |
| 10:25 | mtj | aah, i did spot a little typo in the README |
| 10:25 | cat ./perl-deps | sudo cpanm | |
| 10:25 | not... | |
| 10:25 | Joubu | kf: I run "prove t" and all is good |
| 10:25 | mtj | sudo cat ./perl-deps | cpanm |
| 10:26 | kf | yeah, but why use cpan? |
| 10:26 | and it's missing some it seems | |
| 10:26 | mtj | coz.. im lazy :/ |
| 10:26 | kf | like libgit-repository-perl |
| 10:27 | mtj | i havent got round to finding out the debian package equivs, of those packages |
| 10:28 | i think, last time i looked, some packages were missing | |
| 10:28 | ...meaning, pulling some packages cpan was a necessity :/ | |
| 10:29 | but, that may not be situation now :) (i havent looked recently) | |
| 10:30 | kf | i missed one |
| 10:30 | but it shoudl tell me i guess | |
| 10:30 | and the errors look werid | |
| 10:30 | no idea | |
| 10:30 | also i didn't understand that export bit | |
| 10:30 | for the path | |
| 10:31 | but that's probably related to the fact that I am not very good with linux still | |
| 10:31 | pastebot | "mtj" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "qa ./prove" (26 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/124 |
| 10:32 | kf | ok, i see it works for the 2 of you... but still not for me |
| 10:32 | :( | |
| 10:32 | did you look at paste 123 too? | |
| 10:32 | Joubu | kf: all deps are up to date? |
| 10:33 | mtj | kf, just set your EXPORT stuff, like you would for using a koha |
| 10:33 | Joubu | the PERL5LIB env var should contains the path to the qa-tools dir |
| 10:33 | kf | mtj: i don't know how to set it and as it's written down it exploded |
| 10:34 | i did add those lines to my .bashrc file and got errors | |
| 10:34 | mtj | so, export a vaild KOHA_CONF, to point to any koha conf file |
| 10:34 | kf | something is not right there |
| 10:34 | my koha_Konf is correct | |
| 10:35 | mtj | kf, you were not in the correct dir, for paste 123 |
| 10:35 | aah, oops - i take that back :) | |
| 10:35 | Joubu | kf: and the perl5lib too? (/home/koha/src:/home/koha/tools/koha-qa-tools) |
| 10:36 | kf | Joubu: i followed the readme which is confusing me :( |
| 10:36 | and it complained about wrong syntax | |
| 10:36 | so i set it bac | |
| 10:36 | k | |
| 10:37 | mtj | aah, i see… |
| 10:37 | sorry, some missing info in the README :/ | |
| 10:37 | kf | sorry for being difficult |
| 10:37 | mtj | yeah, joubu is correct |
| 10:38 | kf | ok, can you tell me how to do it? |
| 10:38 | i have export PERL5LIB=/home/katrin/koha so far | |
| 10:38 | mtj | …this missing bit of info, is to add the ./qa dir , to PERL5LIB |
| 10:38 | thats causing the error -> Can't locate QohA/Git.pm in @INC | |
| 10:39 | sorry about that | |
| 10:39 | kf | ok, so how do I do that? multiple paths? |
| 10:39 | mtj | export PERL5LIB=aaa:bbb |
| 10:40 | export PERL5LIB=/home/katrin/koha:/home/katrin/qa-tools | |
| 10:40 | kf | hm |
| 10:41 | i did that - with qa-test-tools | |
| 10:41 | but it still explodes when i try to run prove | |
| 10:41 | with the DATA line 1012 that i pasted earlier | |
| 10:42 | hmm | |
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| 10:43 | mtj | does your qa-tools dir pass a 'prove' ok? |
| 10:43 | $ cd /home/katrin/qa-tools | |
| 10:43 | cait_dev | now i can copy and paste |
| 10:43 | mtj | $ prove |
| 10:43 | cait_dev | when i try prove i get paste 122 |
| 10:43 | it says i am not in the right place | |
| 10:44 | but i am | |
| 10:44 | *confused* | |
| 10:44 | only that my directory is not qa-tools but qa-test-tools | |
| 10:44 | and really sorry... I think i am just missing something obvious here | |
| 10:44 | env now gives me that: PERL5LIB=/home/katrin/koha:/home/katrin/qa-test-tools/ | |
| 10:45 | Joubu | the qa dir have to be koha-qa-tools |
| 10:45 | die "You have to be at the root of the koha-qa-tools project" unless $cwd_bak =~ /koha-qa-tools$/; | |
| 10:45 | cait_dev | hm when you clone that's not what you get |
| 10:45 | Joubu | (yes, it's stupid, i will try to fix that later) |
| 10:45 | mtj | aaah |
| 10:45 | cait_dev | ok, so i can rename it and try again |
| 10:45 | what's the right one? | |
| 10:46 | mtj | yeah, i change the repo name, my bad |
| 10:46 | cait_dev | koha-qa-tools? |
| 10:46 | mtj | yep |
| 10:47 | cait_dev | intersting |
| 10:47 | prove still fails, but differently now | |
| 10:47 | i think i also have to copy the perlcritic file in the right place to ~? | |
| 10:47 | mtj | cait_dev, try this for a bit more into... |
| 10:48 | $ perl ./t/Perl.t | |
| 10:48 | cait_dev | failed 2 out of 37 |
| 10:48 | not ok 22 - Check verbosity output (0) | |
| 10:48 | pastebot | "mtj" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "perl ./t/Perl.t" (40 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/125 |
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| 10:50 | cait_dev | http://paste.koha-community.org/126 |
| 10:51 | mtj | interesting.... |
| 10:51 | wahanui | interesting is sometimes good and sometimes bad |
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| 10:52 | kf | Joubu: i am not totally sure - the cpanm command does not work |
| 10:52 | oh sorry,... scrolling broken | |
| 10:52 | that was a really old question :) | |
| 10:53 | mtj: should koha-qa.pl work when in the git repository of koha? you don't have to give the full path? that never worked for me without telling it where to find it | |
| 10:53 | mtj | kf, your repo is up-to-date ? -> https://github.com/Koha-Community/qa-test-tools |
| 10:53 | kf | mtj: i cloned it this morning |
| 10:53 | mtj | ok |
| 10:53 | kf | since then it's driving me nuts :) |
| 10:53 | Joubu | i_m_ok fail perlcritic |
| 10:54 | I think the perlcritic does not contains the equivalent modules for Morder::Perl | |
| 10:54 | kf | does check verbosity output need a special dependency? |
| 10:55 | Joubu | s/perlcritic/.perlcriticrc |
| 10:55 | kf | Joubu - that was it |
| 10:56 | i copied the perlcritic file | |
| 10:56 | but it was missing the . | |
| 10:56 | now i pass all tests | |
| 10:56 | Joubu | kf: cool :) |
| 10:56 | kf | could someone note some of that in the README? (preferrable not me as i might get it wrong again? :) |
| 10:56 | Joubu | I will provide a patch for the repo name constraint. |
| 10:56 | kf: yep I will | |
| 10:56 | kf | :) |
| 10:57 | Joubu | launch time! |
| 10:57 | kf | the copy the perlcritic file one comes up often too |
| 10:57 | i remembered that | |
| 10:57 | enjoy your lunch :) | |
| 10:57 | mtj: still awake? *nudge* :) | |
| 10:57 | mtj | kf, there is a perlcritic .rc file, added to the qa repo |
| 10:57 | … that the tools uses | |
| 10:57 | kf | mtj: i know, but you have to copy it to ~ with another name :) |
| 10:57 | and that could go into the README as well | |
| 10:58 | without you fail the tests | |
| 10:58 | mtj | ow, thats a bug |
| 10:58 | kf | i think jonathan told me about that a while ago, when i had problems with modern perl giving fails |
| 10:58 | mtj | hmm, its working for me, but prolly coz i have a ~/.perlcriticrc file |
| 10:59 | kf | i have a question about step 6 of the readme |
| 11:00 | i can run the tests now successfuly | |
| 11:00 | but i still can#t the qa script | |
| 11:00 | for the error in 123 | |
| 11:00 | cait_dev | :~/koha$ ../koha-qa-tools/koha-qa.pl -c 1 |
| 11:00 | tried this | |
| 11:01 | mtj | kf - its prolly a path issue, paste your error again? |
| 11:02 | kf | http://paste.koha-community.org/123 |
| 11:02 | hmwith the right path | |
| 11:03 | the error is still teh same as before renaming the repo | |
| 11:03 | mtj | remember, you need to add the qa path to PERL5LIB |
| 11:03 | kf | mtj: I think we are past that :) |
| 11:03 | oh right. | |
| 11:03 | i haven#t changed it after renaming | |
| 11:03 | mtj | ok |
| 11:04 | kf | yay |
| 11:04 | it works :) | |
| 11:05 | thx a lot :) | |
| 11:05 | guess I am good tester for the README - because I have no idea what i am doing :) | |
| 11:05 | which is actually a bit more :( | |
| 11:06 | mtj | i didnt realise that the qa-tool was *not* using the rc file, in its repo |
| 11:07 | kf | thx a lot mtj++ Joubu++ :) |
| 11:07 | have to run, bbiab | |
| 11:07 | mtj | kf++ Joubu++ :) |
| 11:08 | Joubu we might need an /either|or/ for matching the qa repo name | |
| 11:08 | else, the match will break for people still using the old repo name :/ | |
| 11:13 | hmm, a nice tweak would be to get the qa-tool to use a koha's perlcriticrc file, 1st | |
| 11:14 | … before using the ~/ one | |
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| 11:18 | drojf | hi #koha |
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| 11:48 | drojf | https://foaas.herokuapp.com/ |
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| 12:00 | edveal | morning guys. |
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| 12:11 | tcohen | morning #koha |
| 12:12 | @later tell rangi that sounds great rangi | |
| 12:12 | huginn` | tcohen: The operation succeeded. |
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| 12:13 | mjk | hello all. |
| 12:14 | quick question: roughly how much computer would be needed to comfortably host an internal-use-only instance of koha with about 15k items | |
| 12:15 | tcohen | dual-core, 1GB RAM |
| 12:16 | eythian | mjk: depends more on how much use it gets. |
| 12:17 | having items just sitting there doesn't really cost anything except a little bit of storage. | |
| 12:17 | mjk | hmm. so an old p4 box with 512mb won't cut it |
| 12:17 | eythian | it would work, but it'd be pushing it if it got busy, and would feel a bit sluggish in parts. |
| 12:17 | mjk | i doubt it would ever have more than two or three users |
| 12:18 | eythian | tbh I'd test it out on your old P4 and see if it works as well as you need. |
| 12:18 | It'll definitely function on that, but may just not be that great. | |
| 12:18 | Joubu | kf, mtj: qa tools repo updated |
| 12:18 | mjk | hmm. currently its running on a quad-core amd box with 16gb of ram, but that box's owner wants it back... |
| 12:19 | eythian | heh, the downgrade may be felt by people. |
| 12:20 | kf | Joubu++ |
| 12:21 | mtj | Joubu++ awesome |
| 12:21 | i need to reverse my repo syncing script | |
| 12:22 | mjk | i'm going to try to convince the business meeting to let us buy the box off its owner (who has said he'll let it go for the cost of materials) and use the p4 box as a self-circulation station |
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| 12:22 | eythian | that's a good plan. tbh, I think that the current machine may be overspecced for what it's doing. |
| 12:22 | But that's not a terrible thing. | |
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| 12:24 | mjk | if i do have to move the data, would it make more sense to export everything as a marc file and then reimport or would it make more sense to try and move the databases directly |
| 12:25 | eythian | I'd move the database, otherwise you'll lose everything like circ info, settings, etc. |
| 12:25 | oleonard | Hi #koha |
| 12:25 | mjk | currently, we;re just in the "get the uncataloged data catloged" stage |
| 12:25 | tcohen | hi oleonard |
| 12:25 | eythian | still, moving the database would probably be less work too |
| 12:25 | mjk | wev've got about 100 volumes out of the 10-15k in our library done |
| 12:26 | eythian | just make a dump and then restore that into the new one. |
| 12:26 | if you're using the packages then there's koha-dump and koha-restore | |
| 12:27 | mjk | ah |
| 12:30 | oleonard | @wunder 45701 |
| 12:30 | huginn` | oleonard: The current temperature in Whitlind Woods, Athens, Ohio is 25.3°C (8:30 AM EDT on July 17, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 98%. Dew Point: 25.0°C. Pressure: 30.32 in 1027 hPa (Falling). Heat advisory in effect from 2 PM this afternoon to 6 PM EDT this evening... |
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| 12:31 | eythian | @wunder bn1 |
| 12:31 | huginn` | eythian: Error: No such location could be found. |
| 12:31 | eythian | @wunder bn1 1al |
| 12:31 | huginn` | eythian: The current temperature in Brighton, Brighton, United Kingdom is 26.5°C (1:30 PM BST on July 17, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 50%. Dew Point: 15.0°C. Pressure: 30.24 in 1024 hPa (Steady). |
| 12:31 | mjk | does anyone here have any experience with datalogic qw2100 barcode scanners |
| 12:33 | tcohen | not much mjk, those that use leds? |
| 12:33 | @wunder cordoba, argentina | |
| 12:33 | huginn` | tcohen: The current temperature in Cordoba, Argentina is 12.0°C (9:00 AM ART on July 17, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 51%. Dew Point: 2.0°C. Pressure: 29.92 in 1013 hPa (Steady). |
| 12:34 | mtj | Joubu, nice patch! |
| 12:34 | mjk | i think so |
| 12:35 | mtj | heya eythian, still in old blighty? |
| 12:35 | eythian | mtj: am indeed |
| 12:35 | it's sweltering here, which was a surprise. | |
| 12:35 | mjk | it can't be worse than the microvision rov we're currently using, though, and it costs less that a twedge license |
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| 12:36 | mtj | heh yeah, i was just thinking about the hideous weather you are missing, over here |
| 12:37 | oleonard | Ah, so everyone's having miserable weather? |
| 12:37 | eythian | oleonard: well, there's too much sun here, if that counts. |
| 12:37 | drojf | @wunder berlin, germany |
| 12:37 | huginn` | drojf: The current temperature in Prenzlauer Berg, Berlin, Germany is 26.5°C (2:13 PM CEST on July 17, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 36%. Dew Point: 10.0°C. Pressure: 30.18 in 1022 hPa (Steady). |
| 12:37 | drojf | :P |
| 12:38 | eythian | mtj: yeah, I've seen what's been happening there. I don't feel at all bad about missing it :) |
| 12:38 | mjk | @wunder boston, massachusetts |
| 12:38 | huginn` | mjk: The current temperature in Boston - South End, Boston, Massachusetts is 30.5°C (8:33 AM EDT on July 17, 2013). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 63%. Dew Point: 23.0°C. Pressure: 30.17 in 1022 hPa (Steady). Heat advisory in effect from 11 am this morning to 7 PM EDT this evening... |
| 12:39 | oleonard | Is that where you are mjk? |
| 12:39 | mjk | i think i win for worst weather |
| 12:39 | yep. i'm a masshole | |
| 12:40 | oleonard | You've got a few degrees on us here in Ohio, but we've got 35 humidity percentage points on you! |
| 12:43 | tcohen | eythian: is it desirable that the webinstaller is run always in english? or is it a bug |
| 12:43 | eythian | tcohen: I thought it allowed language selection if you had alternate languages installed, but I can't say I've ever tried. |
| 12:44 | drojf | tcohen: if languages are installed you can choose |
| 12:44 | eythian: i did. several times | |
| 12:44 | works fine for me | |
| 12:44 | tcohen | i noticed while testing bug 10560 that if english is disabled, you're still forced to use english |
| 12:44 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10560 major, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Pushed to Stable , No way to disable english |
| 12:44 | drojf | the first page is in english, before you choose the language |
| 12:47 | eythian | Maybe it should say "choose your language" in all installed languages :) |
| 12:48 | mtj | @wunder nzwn |
| 12:48 | huginn` | mtj: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 10.0°C (12:00 AM NZST on July 18, 2013). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 87%. Dew Point: 8.0°C. Pressure: 30.30 in 1026 hPa (Steady). |
| 12:51 | tcohen | if you install and enable (for example) es-ES and disable english on a 3.12.x checkout |
| 12:52 | and then checkout current master | |
| 12:52 | you wont be able to choose es-ES, forced to english | |
| 12:53 | (on the webinstaller I mean= | |
| 12:53 | s/=/)/ | |
| 12:53 | eythian | well, the disabling I could see not working |
| 12:53 | You can't access the system preferences | |
| 12:53 | as you don't know that the schema is something that you expect at this stage. | |
| 12:54 | however I'd expect you to be able to choose es-ES | |
| 12:56 | tcohen | i see it as another case for bug 10560, but maybe i'm wrong |
| 12:56 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10560 major, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Pushed to Stable , No way to disable english |
| 12:57 | eythian | ah, that's why you're asking me :) |
| 12:57 | I don't think it should be that, but that function should never be called, we shouldn't be accessing sysprefs in the webinstaller. | |
| 12:58 | oleonard | At least this weather is good for something: http://www.myacpl.org/blog/array-sun-2013-07-15 |
| 12:58 | eythian | that's cool, oleonard |
| 12:59 | tcohen | yes eythian :) sorry for not explaining |
| 12:59 | ok, so its a feature | |
| 12:59 | eythian | well, I think it's a bug. I just don't think it's that bug :) |
| 13:01 | I'm not sure it should be obeying the sysprefs though, but I think it should allow you to pick any installed language. | |
| 13:02 | Or I suppose it could be more conservative and specifically pick those sysprefs and be really careful about what it does if it can't make sense of them. | |
| 13:05 | tcohen | i'm talking about the upgrade process, right? |
| 13:05 | maybe i didn't explain it well | |
| 13:06 | eythian | yeah |
| 13:06 | that's what I meant too | |
| 13:06 | tcohen | ok |
| 13:07 | eythian | it's just that when you know the schema is old, you don't know that the sysprefs haven't changed how they work until after the upgrade has run. |
| 13:23 | tcohen | if I manually do UPDATE systempreferences SET value="es-ES,en" WHERE variable="language"; |
| 13:23 | it shows in spanish | |
| 13:23 | update syspref on mysql ; refresh browser | |
| 13:23 | UPDATE systempreferences SET value="es-ES" WHERE variable="language"; | |
| 13:23 | makes it show in english only | |
| 13:24 | you're rigt is another bug | |
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| 13:33 | mtompset | Greetings, #koha |
| 13:36 | oleonard | Hi mtompset |
| 13:37 | mtompset | Greetings, oleonard. Nice solar panel arrays. :) |
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| 13:39 | * druthb | chucks Skittles at mtompset, Just Because. |
| 13:39 | mtompset | Thanks for the skittles "love", druthb. :P |
| 13:39 | druthb | <3 |
| 13:40 | * mtompset | chucks them back at druthb to maintain a balance in the skittles wars. ;) |
| 13:41 | tcohen | heh, hi mtompset |
| 13:41 | mtompset | Greetings, druthb tcohen. |
| 13:42 | kf | Joubu: around still? |
| 13:42 | :) | |
| 13:43 | mtompset | Does Srdjan Jankovic come here? If so, what's their handle? I'd like to pass some karma. :) |
| 13:43 | eythian | mtompset: he's papa, but usually only during AU daytime. |
| 13:43 | mtompset | Not a problem, eythian. Thanks. |
| 13:44 | eythian++ # thanks for the info. | |
| 13:44 | papa++ # thanks for the bug review. | |
| 13:44 | Greetings, kf, eythian. | |
| 13:45 | eythian | hi |
| 13:45 | wahanui | que tal, eythian |
| 13:45 | kf | hi mtompset |
| 13:45 | mtompset | Now for some fun today: attempt to roll my own package. |
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| 14:02 | drojf | mtompset: they are the best. just like joints. i mean cigarettes. i mean lollipops. |
| 14:02 | mtompset | yes, but I've never built a package before, so this is a bit of a learning curve. |
| 14:04 | drojf | there are two wiki pages. one says it is the easy way and there is another. i think most people agree the easy way is the easy way, just eythian likes the other ;) |
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| 14:04 | mtompset | I was going to ask what does "git clean -f -x -d" do. |
| 14:05 | gmcharlt | @quote random |
| 14:05 | huginn` | gmcharlt: Quote #27: "<jdavidb> ("A helicopter does not fly; it is a collection of quasi-unrelated parts moving in closeformation, beating the sky into submission.")" (added by gmcharlt at 09:21 PM, August 22, 2009) |
| 14:05 | eythian | git clean --help will explain it better than we can |
| 14:05 | drojf | ah yeah, that is the eythian way :P |
| 14:06 | eythian | I'm not sure if it's the easiest way, but it's the way I use for real builds because it's got a good likelyhood of being clean :) |
| 14:06 | tcohen | morning gmcharlt |
| 14:07 | drojf | not doubting that at all. i think i started with the other and it worked for me so i did not bring up the energy to learn the other :) |
| 14:07 | eythian | the patches section of the easy way should refer to git bz |
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| 14:07 | mtompset | Greetings, gmcharlt. :) |
| 14:08 | drojf | now that i am referring to both ways as "the other" i think it is time to leave and work before i spread more confusion :D |
| 14:08 | kf | yeah |
| 14:08 | eythian | heh |
| 14:08 | kf | better you spread it at work |
| 14:09 | mtompset | drojf: The sentence is a difficult construct, but the intent is still parsable from the larger context. :) |
| 14:09 | eythian | also, it's use of '-2' in the version number for doing an update is bad and wrong and may get really confusing if you attempt to put it into a repo, as 3.4-1, 3.4-2, etc. are expected to have the same source tarball, and they won't in this case. |
| 14:09 | mtompset | You started with the "easier way", and never worked up the energy to do it eythian's "it will definitely be clean" way. :) |
| 14:12 | Just tweaked the instructions to say 3.x not 3.2 for the easy way. :) | |
| 14:12 | eythian | I need to update mine at some time to be more automated. |
| 14:17 | mtompset | Okay, question. Is it possible to roll packages from an Ubuntu VM? |
| 14:17 | eythian | yes |
| 14:17 | mtompset | The instructions are debianist. |
| 14:17 | eythian | you should be able to follow the instructions more or less exactly the same, assuming that pbuilder on ubuntu knows about squeeze |
| 14:18 | mtompset | It doesn't. |
| 14:18 | eythian | then you'll have to figure out how to tell it to. It shouldn't be too hard. |
| 14:18 | mtompset | Found it: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PbuilderHowto |
| 14:19 | Has a nice "if you want to build debian..." part. | |
| 14:19 | eythian | cool |
| 14:21 | huginn` | New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 10409: Follow up - improving strings for easier translation <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]bc74d1677479a8869> / Bug 10409 - Do not show course entry form if no departments are found <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]ede8e06cf3133a750> |
| 14:23 | khall | just submitted a patron lists feature for anyone who's interested. I wrote it using DBIx::Class. It's amazing how much faster development is using DBIx::Class, and much more readable too! Bug 10565 |
| 14:23 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10565 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Needs Signoff , Add a "Patron List" feature for storing and manipulating collections of patrons |
| 14:31 | jenkins_koha | Starting build #1316 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS) |
| 14:34 | mtompset | Funny how there are always tiny steps missing in instructions. I guess we don't want bloated instructions. |
| 14:37 | drojf | maybe they are steps you would assume someone going that deep into development just knows about? |
| 14:39 | mtompset | For example... when I went into the pbuilder environment to do something the command was sudo and wget... both needed to be installed. Not difficult, but just tiny steps like that. |
| 14:39 | drojf | i'm not sure if something like building your own debian packages for koha is supposed to be done by copy+paste from a wiki by somebody with zero knowledge of linux, for example |
| 14:39 | eythian | mtompset: you shouldn't need sudo in the pbuilder environment, you'll already be root |
| 14:40 | yeah, those are definitely something that someone attempting to build packages should already be aware of. | |
| 14:40 | mtompset | true enough... oh well, I guess they just copied the wget command from the instructions. |
| 14:40 | I'll tweak out the sudo. | |
| 14:41 | eythian | it also mentions installing wget right there. |
| 14:41 | mtompset | silly me... I skimmed too much. :) |
| 14:42 | eythian | that's why I prefer my method of setting up the environment, it's scriptable and doesn't require messing with the innards of the environment. |
| 14:44 | mtompset | I see your point, eythian. |
| 14:45 | waiting for a fresh clone. | |
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| 15:05 | huginn` | New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 10563: Fix broken 'Edit' link on check expiration page <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]4de880e9cf6126b26> / Bug 7019: fix sorting by return date in Circulation History <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]deef4f839127e30db> |
| 15:05 | mtompset | okay... going to try: koha package install of 3.10.x (oldstable), install a 3.12.0 (rolled), and then a 3.12.x (stable) |
| 15:06 | attempting the roll right now. | |
| 15:12 | rambutan | drum roll please....... |
| 15:13 | mtompset | some of those messages are worrisome, but it keeps going. |
| 15:15 | drojf | mtompset: so you are installing your own package to replace it with the regular one? |
| 15:15 | mtompset | That's going to be the attempt. |
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| 15:16 | mtompset | I didn't make any changes... just going with an intermediate 3.12.0 |
| 15:16 | I assume the progression with "has my patches in it" version, will be similar. | |
| 15:17 | eythian | it fails outright if things are wrong |
| 15:17 | and you don't get a .deb file | |
| 15:18 | mtompset | I got all the deb files as far as I can tell. |
| 15:18 | reiveune | bye |
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| 15:35 | huginn` | New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 9576: DBRev 3.13.00.013 <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]d2b488fe928a7a2ad> / Bug 9576: can now control whether max loans limit can be overriden <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]419b68d036b908cc2> |
| 15:38 | tcohen | @seen jcamins |
| 15:38 | huginn` | tcohen: jcamins was last seen in #koha 11 hours, 4 minutes, and 2 seconds ago: <jcamins> Maybe that was changed for performance reasons. |
| 15:47 | jenkins_koha | Project Koha_master build #1316: SUCCESS in 1 hr 15 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]Koha_master/1316/ |
| 15:47 | * Owen Leonard: Bug 10409 - Do not show course entry form if no departments are found | |
| 15:47 | * Katrin Fischer: Bug 10409: Follow up - improving strings for easier translation | |
| 15:47 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10409 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Do not show course entry form if no departments are found |
| 15:48 | jenkins_koha | Starting build #1317 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS) |
| 15:55 | mtompset | Greetings, pianohacker. |
| 15:55 | huginn` | New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 9362: fix query that finds upcoming due loans <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]de4e237e6b1de93eb> |
| 15:56 | pianohacker | hey mtompset |
| 15:56 | wahanui | hmmm... mtompset is disliking the silent warnings flooding his error logs. |
| 15:56 | mtompset | Nope... playing with rolling my own packages. |
| 15:56 | pianohacker | cool |
| 15:57 | * eythian | notes that warnings in your logs aren't silent. They're in your logs. |
| 15:57 | mtompset | yes, but they aren't on the HTML page put back out. :P |
| 15:58 | eythian | that'd be a terrible thing to do |
| 15:58 | mtompset | Yes, it would... so they are silent in the UI sense of the word silent. :P |
| 15:58 | and they are warnings, like int(undef) :) | |
| 15:58 | eythian | there are too many warnings. |
| 15:59 | if I had time, I'd go through and fix the situations that lead to them | |
| 15:59 | mtompset | me too, eythian. me too. :) |
| 15:59 | * eythian | lacks that sort of time. |
| 16:00 | pianohacker | eythian: start with something simple and easy, like addbiblio.pl |
| 16:01 | eythian | heh |
| 16:02 | mtompset | Lunch... just on the verge of missing dependencies. |
| 16:02 | eythian | there shouldn't be missing dependencies. |
| 16:16 | tcohen | eythian, once you got the deb files, what's the step to sign them and use dput to deplooy on a new (local) repo ? |
| 16:16 | eythian | tcohen: basically, debsign *.changes, but you may need to provide a key ID |
| 16:17 | tcohen | so, debsign ; dput ? |
| 16:17 | eythian | debsign, dput, and reprepro export |
| 16:17 | oh no wait | |
| 16:18 | reprepro usually happens as part of dput | |
| 16:19 | tcohen | what's the result? the deb & friends files on the incoming dir? |
| 16:19 | eythian | that's what dput itself does. the reprepro step integrates them into the repo properly. |
| 16:20 | gmcharlt | eythian: a question that I think tcohen had asked you, but I'd like to know the answer too: is it kosher to add new dependencies when making minior updates to a package? |
| 16:21 | eythian | gmcharlt: I'd like to avoid it if reasonably possible (except in master, that's OK.) |
| 16:21 | gmcharlt | it forces use of dist-upgrade rather than upgrade, correct? |
| 16:21 | eythian | yep |
| 16:21 | gmcharlt | thanks for confirming my impression |
| 16:22 | eythian | rule of thumb would be if that it's actually fixing something that's annoying people, go for it. Otherwise consider it again. |
| 16:22 | tcohen | yes, I first made a mistake on 3.12.x and then concluded it was for a greater cause |
| 16:22 | eythian | It's not the end of the world if it happens, just an inconvenience. |
| 16:22 | It might also be worth batching a couple together (although this isn't something that seems to happen a lot anyway.) | |
| 16:23 | keep in mind it'll also have similar upsets for people running from tarballs | |
| 16:23 | they'll have to install missing things manually. | |
| 16:24 | * tcohen | feels quite guilty |
| 16:24 | gmcharlt | tcohen: sorry, I didn't mean to pick on you |
| 16:24 | eythian | heh |
| 16:25 | I'm inclined to think that most things that are making it into a stable release are likely to be greater cause things anyway. | |
| 16:25 | gaetan_B | bye |
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| 16:25 | rambutan | We have a problem with searching (and retrieving) a special case in Koha |
| 16:25 | There is a (musical) group called "98°", they have produced a CD called "2.0" | |
| 16:25 | eythian | I don't think they deserve to be found |
| 16:25 | rambutan | the only way we can retrieve this item is by its alternative name |
| 16:26 | eythian | http://bash.org/?514353 <-- rambutan |
| 16:27 | pianohacker | ahhh, bash.org |
| 16:27 | rambutan | and what would be behind door number two |
| 16:27 | ? | |
| 16:28 | eythian | as for finding them, I have no idea. I suppose '98' doesn't do it? |
| 16:28 | you probably need to find someone who understands zebra tuning. | |
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| 16:29 | rambutan | "98" yields 996,241 hits on "Windows 98" |
| 16:29 | eythian | oh dear. |
| 16:29 | perhaps those should just be weeded :) | |
| 16:29 | oleonard | :D |
| 16:29 | rambutan | concur |
| 16:30 | oleonard | Seriously. 996,241? |
| 16:30 | rambutan | oh, no, sorry, it was only 149 |
| 16:30 | slight exaggeration I suppose | |
| 16:31 | pianohacker | what's four orders of magnitude, between friends? |
| 16:31 | rambutan | exactly |
| 16:34 | the TS supervisor tells me that searching on "2.0" returns 0 also, even knowing there are other titles with 2.0 in them, like Web 2.0, for example | |
| 16:35 | oleonard | http://search.myacpl.org/cgi-b[…]c-search.pl?q=2.0 |
| 16:36 | pianohacker | rambutan: Just to confirm, you're on 3.10? |
| 16:42 | pastebot | "mtompset" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "dependencies not auto-installed?!" (33 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/127 |
| 16:42 | mtompset | that's the output from my attempted roll. back to watching Castle. ;) |
| 16:43 | eythian | mtompset: you missed the bit in the instructions about adding the koha-community repo apparently :) |
| 16:43 | (or it's not there, or wrong) | |
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| 16:43 | eythian | oh, or you forgot that dpkg != apt and doesn't fix deps for you like apt does |
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| 16:44 | * jcamins_web | waves from Alabama |
| 16:44 | eythian | jcamins_web looks suspiciously like a kat. |
| 16:44 | mtompset: try apt-get install -f to fix that | |
| 16:44 | or maybe apt-get -f install, I forget every time. | |
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| 16:46 | huginn` | New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 10541: enable cross-browser AJAX in additem.js <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]af0800d624eb4c1d3> |
| 16:46 | vfernandes | hi :) |
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| 16:46 | Kat | Hello? |
| 16:46 | jcamins_web | Hi! |
| 16:47 | mtompset | in the pbuilder environment? or the ubuntu environment I'm trying to install on? |
| 16:47 | rambutan | pianohacker: yes, 3.10 |
| 16:47 | jcamins_web | (demonstrating two people talking at once from the same office) |
| 16:47 | druthb | Hi, jcamins_web and Kat! :) |
| 16:48 | Kat: is jcamins talking like a Southerner yet? | |
| 16:48 | rambutan | jkatmins? |
| 16:48 | Guest124 | Hi druthb. |
| 16:48 | Not quite yet, we've got a bit of a canadian about occasionally. | |
| 16:48 | rambutan | where are you? |
| 16:48 | druthb | lol. Keep at him. Y'all can do it. |
| 16:49 | eythian | mtompset: the one you're trying to install on, as that's the one missing the dependencies. |
| 16:49 | jcamins_web | druthb: not likely. |
| 16:49 | rambutan: Dothan, AL. | |
| 16:49 | rambutan | ic |
| 16:49 | druthb | jcamins, a drawl so long it won't fit in your suitcase would be a nice souvenier. |
| 16:49 | s/ie/ei/ | |
| 16:49 | rambutan | ALA Mid-July I would suppose |
| 16:50 | Guest124 | We'll keep working at it. Back to training. Nice to meet y'all. |
| 16:50 | druthb | gmcharlt++ |
| 16:50 | be well, Alabamans! Take good care of Jared. :) | |
| 16:51 | kf++ | |
| 16:51 | oleonard | @wunder 36303 |
| 16:51 | huginn` | oleonard: The current temperature in Dothan, Alabama is 32.3°C (11:50 AM CDT on July 17, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 64%. Dew Point: 25.0°C. Pressure: 30.28 in 1025 hPa (Falling). |
| 16:51 | oleonard | @wunder 45701 |
| 16:51 | huginn` | oleonard: The current temperature in OHDOT 31-Athens County Garage, Athens, Ohio is 31.7°C (12:21 PM EDT on July 17, 2013). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 58%. Dew Point: 22.0°C. Pressure: 30.30 in 1026 hPa (Falling). Heat advisory in effect from 2 PM this afternoon to 6 PM EDT this evening... |
| 16:51 | druthb | @wunder Forest Hills, NY |
| 16:51 | vfernandes | yesterday I was here to ask about authorities.... I wanted a authority controll for subfield 260$b |
| 16:51 | huginn` | druthb: The current temperature in Glendale, Glendale, New York is 36.0°C (12:45 PM EDT on July 17, 2013). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 39%. Dew Point: 20.0°C. Pressure: 30.17 in 1021 hPa (Steady). Heat advisory in effect until 8 PM EDT Thursday... |
| 16:52 | druthb | Bet he's enjoying the "cooler" weather. |
| 16:52 | @wunder 77063 | |
| 16:52 | oleonard | That's insane. |
| 16:52 | huginn` | druthb: The current temperature in Briargrove Park, Houston, Texas is 22.9°C (11:51 AM CDT on July 17, 2013). Conditions: Rain. Humidity: 91%. Dew Point: 21.0°C. Pressure: 30.16 in 1021 hPa (Steady). |
| 16:52 | mtompset | eythian: So, why didn't the dependencies auto-install? They are easily findable. |
| 16:52 | oleonard | druthb: !! |
| 16:52 | druthb | eh? |
| 16:52 | mtompset | It's not my repo that's wrong on the fresh packages install. |
| 16:52 | vfernandes | the authorities still have 0 records :/ |
| 16:52 | eythian | mtompset: because that's not the job of dpkg. |
| 16:53 | druthb | Rainy and downright cool here on the bayou today. |
| 16:53 | mtompset | Okay, so the missing dependencies are to be expected, because of the dpkg -i vs. apt-get install |
| 16:53 | eythian | yes |
| 16:55 | rambutan | @wunder 64507 |
| 16:55 | huginn` | rambutan: The current temperature in St Joseph, Missouri is 31.0°C (11:50 AM CDT on July 17, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 44%. Dew Point: 17.0°C. Pressure: 30.30 in 1026 hPa (Steady). |
| 16:55 | rambutan | @wunder dothan, alabama |
| 16:55 | huginn` | rambutan: The current temperature in Dothan, Alabama is 32.3°C (11:55 AM CDT on July 17, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 68%. Dew Point: 26.0°C. Pressure: 30.28 in 1025 hPa (Falling). |
| 16:56 | jcamins_web | @later tell wizzyrea Any chance you could add a link to the wiki page Version control in git on http://koha-community.org/get-[…]d/for-developers/ and change the web IRC link to kiwiirc.com, since that works consistently even behind firewalls? |
| 16:56 | huginn` | jcamins_web: The operation succeeded. |
| 16:57 | druthb | There's a very weak low-pressure center off the coast of eastern Mexico; the hurricane watchers are keeping their eye on it, but two of the computer models stubbornly refuse to even give it a *potential* to be a TS. But it is pushing wet air at us, in large quantities. |
| 17:00 | jenkins_koha | Project Koha_master build #1317: SUCCESS in 1 hr 12 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]Koha_master/1317/ |
| 17:00 | * Fridolyn SOMERS: Bug 7019: fix sorting by return date in Circulation History | |
| 17:00 | * Katrin Fischer: Bug 10563: Fix broken 'Edit' link on check expiration page | |
| 17:00 | * Kyle M Hall: Bug 9576: can now control whether max loans limit can be overriden | |
| 17:00 | * Galen Charlton: Bug 9576: DBRev 3.13.00.013 | |
| 17:00 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7019 normal, P5 - low, ---, fridolyn.somers, Pushed to Master , Circulation History Sort Order Wrong |
| 17:00 | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10563 normal, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, Pushed to Master , Link to edit subscription from 'check expiraton' page is broken | |
| 17:00 | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9576 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, fridolyn.somers, Pushed to Master , Enable or disable issue limit confirmation | |
| 17:00 | mtompset | Well, it would seem that the package rolled upgrade worked. |
| 17:01 | (after the installation of the missing dependencies) | |
| 17:01 | jenkins_koha | Starting build #1318 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS) |
| 17:11 | vfernandes | can anyone help me? I want to have 260$b controlled by authorities |
| 17:12 | i've already created a new authority type and the fields in bibliographic models are blocked to the authority | |
| 17:13 | kf | you'd have to configure that in your frameworks |
| 17:13 | vfernandes | kf i've already done that |
| 17:13 | kf | hm then not sure what is missing |
| 17:13 | vfernandes | which is the best authority field to put publishers? |
| 17:14 | i're already added to biblio/record.abs : melm 260$9 Koha-Auth-Number | |
| 17:15 | i've created a 170 field for authorities frameworks with a subfield b... this is the field that will be copied to records | |
| 17:16 | kf | i think maybe another way to do it woudl be using a plugin |
| 17:16 | i think ther emight be one for unimarc that could do the trick for marc21 without using authorities | |
| 17:16 | but giving you suggestions/controlling it a bit | |
| 17:17 | tcohen | GOT MY OWN REPOOOOO |
| 17:17 | eythian++ eythian++ # thanks, really | |
| 17:17 | kf | lol |
| 17:17 | where? where? | |
| 17:17 | vfernandes | http://biblioteca.lnec.pt/cgi-[…]thorities-home.pl - try to search EDITORES |
| 17:17 | tcohen | didn't make it public |
| 17:17 | http://ubuntu.unc.edu.ar/koha | |
| 17:18 | built on precise, our own 3.12 flavour :-D | |
| 17:18 | vfernandes | the search "in keywords" works, but for "in any heading" or "in main entry" doens't work |
| 17:19 | kf | probably you will have to index your new field. |
| 17:20 | vfernandes | on my authorities/record.abs I added the following: melm 170$b Heading:w,Heading:p,Heading:s,Heading-Main:w,Heading-Main:p,Heading-Main:s,Match:w,Match:p,Match-heading:w,Match-heading:p melm 170 Heading:w,Heading:p,Heading:s,Match:w,Match:p,Match-heading:w,Match-heading:p |
| 17:20 | two entries to index the field... but no lucky :/ | |
| 17:22 | I don't know what is wrong | |
| 17:23 | shouldn't the authorities be searchable by mainentry which this entries on record.abs? | |
| 17:23 | tcohen | translators of the world, translate |
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| 17:26 | vfernandes | kf any idea? |
| 17:27 | another problem: besides being used in the record, the authority has 0 records associated | |
| 17:30 | mtompset | exit |
| 17:30 | Oops... | |
| 17:30 | Have a great day, #koha. | |
| 17:31 | kf | tcohen: cngrats :) |
| 17:31 | tcohen | :-D |
| 17:32 | kf | vfernandes: did you reindex after adding it? did you change the right file? if you have a dev install there will be 2 of them, the one in koha-dev is the right one |
| 17:32 | and that's all ideas i have - leaving :) | |
| 17:32 | bye all! | |
| 17:32 | vfernandes | bye kf |
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| 17:36 | drojf | raspberries! raspberries for everyone! |
| 17:38 | pianohacker | ooh raspberries |
| 17:39 | vfernandes: To follow up on kf's question, did you change the record.abs in your tarball, or the installed one? | |
| 17:39 | (assuming you installed from tarball) | |
| 17:40 | vfernandes | installed |
| 17:40 | KOHA_HOME/etc/zebradb/.../record.abs | |
| 17:42 | drojf | git question: can i reset a single file to master in a customized branch? |
| 17:43 | tcohen | gmcharlt: do u remember where did we (bgkriegel and I) uploaded our gpg keys? |
| 17:44 | drojf | ha it's actually called git reset. who would have expected that? |
| 17:44 | gmcharlt | tcohen: pgp.mit.edu? |
| 17:44 | drojf | hm no that seems to keep the changes |
| 17:45 | pianohacker | drojf: Try git checkout HEAD -- <path> |
| 17:45 | drojf | cool thanks |
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| 17:46 | vfernandes | i have to go |
| 17:46 | bye guys | |
| 17:47 | drojf | looks like i have some serious rebasing to do before i try that. meh |
| 17:48 | tcohen | gmcharlt: i cannot seem to retreive it |
| 17:49 | gmcharlt | do you still have your local copy of the key? |
| 17:49 | tcohen | yes |
| 17:50 | gmcharlt | that's all you need to sign a branch |
| 17:50 | tcohen | yes, I'm just trying to test my own deb repo |
| 17:50 | which I signed with my private gpg key | |
| 17:58 | deb http://ubuntu.unc.edu.ar/koha precise main | |
| 17:58 | i'm really happy today | |
| 18:07 | huginn` | New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 10515: (follow-up) fix use of GetBranchCategories <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]1fef01adc39e8be5c> / Bug 10515: add regression tests <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]fa5aae3f05a1d1907> / Bug 10515: make behavior of library category fetchers consistent with other fetchers <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb |
| 18:11 | oleonard | khall: Any idea why diacritics in a patron category description would not be showing up correctly on a patron list? |
| 18:13 | pianohacker | oleonard: He seems to be out at the moment, but does a SHOW CREATE TABLE have the correct charset on the relevant tables, out of curiosity? |
| 18:15 | oleonard | CHARSET=utf8 |
| 18:17 | jenkins_koha | Project Koha_master build #1318: SUCCESS in 1 hr 16 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]Koha_master/1318/ |
| 18:17 | * Fridolyn SOMERS: Bug 9362: fix query that finds upcoming due loans | |
| 18:17 | * David Cook: Bug 10541: enable cross-browser AJAX in additem.js | |
| 18:17 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9362 normal, P5 - low, ---, fridolyn.somers, Pushed to Master , Wrong query in GetUpcomingDueIssues (Circulation.pm) |
| 18:17 | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10541 major, P5 - low, ---, dcook, Pushed to Master , Enable cross-browser AJAX in additem.js | |
| 18:17 | tcohen | gmcharlt: thanks for the info, i just noticed i was writing http:// instead of hkp:// |
| 18:18 | jenkins_koha | Starting build #1319 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS) |
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| 18:25 | khall | oleonard: you had a question for me? |
| 18:25 | oleonard | Yes. Any idea why diacritics in a patron category description would not be showing up correctly on a patron list? |
| 18:25 | tcohen | 10bye #koha |
| 18:25 | the f*k is that | |
| 18:25 | ok, bye! | |
| 18:27 | khall | oleonard: not really. Do we need to tell dbix class to use ut8 maybe? Or could it be a TT issue. |
| 18:27 | oleonard | I don't know why it would be a TT issue if the data shows up correctly elsewhere. |
| 18:29 | khall | it's proabably dbix class |
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| 18:32 | mtompset | Greetings, #koha. |
| 18:32 | khall | oleonard: where are you seeing the issue? I name a list Théologie and it looks ok |
| 18:33 | oleonard | It's a diacritic in a patron category description |
| 18:33 | rambutan | @seen wizzyrea |
| 18:33 | huginn` | rambutan: wizzyrea was last seen in #koha 13 hours, 44 minutes, and 18 seconds ago: <wizzyrea> if there are any |
| 18:33 | * mtompset | grins evilly. |
| 18:33 | mtompset | Have you tried using Internet Explorer, oleonard? ;) |
| 18:34 | druthb | oooh. mtompset, that's just mena, |
| 18:34 | s/mena/mean/ | |
| 18:35 | * druthb | has the dumb today, and cannot type well. |
| 18:35 | pianohacker | Hey now, we frown upon goddamn filthy language like that in this channel |
| 18:35 | mtompset | No, mean is following that statement up with one that you clearly set yourself up for. :P |
| 18:35 | I said it was evil. | |
| 18:35 | * druthb | wields pointy stick. |
| 18:36 | mtompset | Hey, I didn't say anything. I blame the heat. Just cleared a portion of my garage out, so I may actually be able to clean another room in the house. |
| 18:36 | druthb | one of the things I'm grateful for in my new job…the super-nice Shure headphones they bought me. I can crank my 80's hair band music up *really loud* and not annoy my neighbors. |
| 18:36 | mtompset | i.e. relocate the mess. |
| 18:37 | * druthb | cranks Van Halen up a couple more notches. |
| 18:37 | khall | oleonard: it's odd, the diacritics looks fine in my list name both as a header and in the lists table, but they aren't showing right in the list patrons table |
| 18:37 | mtompset | Plus, we all know that IE wouldn't really solve the problem anyways. |
| 18:38 | me throws skittles at druthb. :) | |
| 18:38 | Oops. There's my typographical error making. :) | |
| 18:39 | * druthb | laughs derisively. |
| 18:39 | khall | paulp can usually figure these things out, maybe we should enlist his help. |
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| 19:10 | pug | Hi Guys |
| 19:11 | I am putting together a demo of Koha - and need sample data - such that the cover images show up - which requires the ISBN to be there -- and requires that the book is kind of popular enough for Amazon/Google to have the image | |
| 19:12 | On quite some searching I havent been able to find such a sample book database (marc, xls etc.) .. Any pointers? | |
| 19:13 | pianohacker | pug: Have you tried wizzyrea's? https://github.com/wizzyrea/Sc[…]master/MARC21.mrc |
| 19:15 | pug | cool - no i hadnt - cool - ill quickly import and see! |
| 19:15 | pioanohacker: are you the person who wrote the script to roll deb packages? | |
| 19:18 | huginn` | New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 10549: (follow-up) make sure ILS-DI GetAvailability response is emitted as UTF-8 <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]825f0d45948f484fa> / bug 10549: make the ILS-DI services advertise that they return UTF-8 <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]c6be557b568778834> |
| 19:19 | pianohacker | pianohacker: Ah, no. Not sure who that was, though I think it was Robin Sheat |
| 19:19 | heh | |
| 19:19 | pug: Ah, no. Not sure who that was, though I think it was Robin Sheat | |
| 19:20 | gmcharlt | AKA eythian |
| 19:21 | drojf | why do subscription email alerts use the same address as from and to? (Letters.pm) |
| 19:21 | * cait | waves |
| 19:22 | cait | drojf: they do? |
| 19:22 | i think i have found them broken in master | |
| 19:22 | you might be onto something | |
| 19:22 | drojf | my %mail = ( |
| 19:22 | To => $email, | |
| 19:22 | From => $email, | |
| 19:22 | … | |
| 19:22 | cait | didn't work in my latest test |
| 19:22 | can you check when that changed? | |
| 19:22 | they are working fine in 3.6 | |
| 19:22 | drojf | mom |
| 19:23 | cait | and it would explain why it worked on my dev install... |
| 19:23 | there it IS the same address hm. | |
| 19:23 | drojf | a9ded4fa (Srdjan Jankovic 2012-03-09 13:22:17 +1300 306) |
| 19:24 | cait | hm |
| 19:24 | drojf | unfortunately i lack the skill to find out what patch that was |
| 19:24 | cait | show <commit> |
| 19:24 | git show... :) | |
| 19:25 | drojf | oh that was easy. cool |
| 19:25 | bug_7001: Issue and Reserve slips are notices. | |
| 19:25 | pianohacker | gmcharlt: Heh, thanks, I had thought that was two separate people :) |
| 19:25 | cait | pianohacker: it's not really eayy to guess |
| 19:25 | like people often confuse me with this kf person | |
| 19:25 | pianohacker | oh god I know right |
| 19:26 | cait | and she is soo weird |
| 19:26 | pianohacker | yeah, I know what you mean |
| 19:26 | There's this jesse chap that got pianohackergmail.com |
|
| 19:26 | and he voluntarily works on the admin interface! | |
| 19:26 | So shameful... | |
| 19:26 | drojf | hm. it was kind of the same before. $borinfo->{email} for both |
| 19:26 | cait | oh wow yeah |
| 19:26 | gmcharlt | cait: and it's *really* awkward when you starting arguing with kf |
| 19:27 | cait | yeah, she always wants to have the last word when we argue |
| 19:27 | glad she is almost never around the same time as me :) | |
| 19:27 | drojf: hm 3.6 predates the new notices... | |
| 19:28 | which means... nobody except us uses the serial subscription mails? or it's really the to and the reply to adress meant there? | |
| 19:28 | i have no idea | |
| 19:28 | drojf | no it's to and from, there is no other |
| 19:28 | cait | hm we should fix that then maybe? |
| 19:28 | drojf | i guess that has been wrong from the beginning |
| 19:29 | i don't care about that, i just want to encrypt them :P | |
| 19:29 | cait | tsk |
| 19:29 | i taught you about git show! you owe me a fix! :P | |
| 19:29 | drojf | i gave you a fix yesterday :P |
| 19:30 | mtompset | Crypt::Rijndael. :) |
| 19:31 | pug | pianohacker++ Thanks a ton. Thats a nice marc21 database indeed. |
| 19:31 | rambutan | For some period of time in the beginning of time I thought pianohacker = Paul Ianohacker |
| 19:31 | jenkins_koha | Project Koha_master build #1319: SUCCESS in 1 hr 13 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]Koha_master/1319/ |
| 19:31 | * Jonathan Druart: Bug 10515: make behavior of library category fetchers consistent with other fetchers | |
| 19:31 | * Galen Charlton: Bug 10515: add regression tests | |
| 19:31 | * Galen Charlton: Bug 10515: (follow-up) fix use of GetBranchCategories | |
| 19:31 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10515 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , The prototype for GetBranchCategory and GetBranchCategories is not consistent |
| 19:31 | drojf | marc21. nice. hehe |
| 19:31 | gmcharlt | cait: note that a9ded4fa didn't introduce having the to and from be the same -- Srdjan just implemented existing functionality in a different way |
| 19:31 | drojf | yes |
| 19:31 | pianohacker | rambutan: Hah! That's a good one |
| 19:31 | drojf | it has been weird before |
| 19:31 | pianohacker | pug: Glad to hear. It have some good cover-image-showing bibs? |
| 19:31 | drojf | can we go further back with git blame? |
| 19:32 | pianohacker | drojf: Try git log -p |
| 19:32 | I honestly much prefer it to git-blame | |
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| 19:32 | gmcharlt | cait: but more generally, I don't see any reason why the from address shouldn't be the library, not the patrnon |
| 19:32 | jenkins_koha | Starting build #1320 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS) |
| 19:32 | cait | gmcharlt: was asking drojf for the git blame to investaigate a bit more :) |
| 19:32 | pug | pianohacker - yeah it indeed does! -- like 80% seem to have cover images showing up! |
| 19:32 | cait | gmcharlt: i think we were wondering about the 2 address |
| 19:33 | pianohacker | pug: very nice |
| 19:33 | cait | to address... oh my long day |
| 19:33 | and it might be totally unrelated... you are right | |
| 19:33 | I was wondering why it didn't work on our 3.12 installation at work, it worked here, so I have it on my list to ask the coworker to check the logs for me... maybe seeing what#s going wrong there | |
| 19:33 | pug | pianohacker - that was quick too. Sorry for the greed - THis was a 500 records- any more pointers? :) |
| 19:34 | cait | gmcharlt: i think some mail servers might not like if you pretend to send the mail with their address as from? |
| 19:35 | we have that case here, where a server refuses mails if we try to send them from the library's mail address | |
| 19:35 | pianohacker | pug: You could try exporting some records from the various demo catalogs on koha-community.org |
| 19:35 | cait | but maybe i am misunderstanding :( it's totally possible |
| 19:35 | pianohacker | but please do so with a limit, otherwise the sysadmins get grumpy |
| 19:36 | gmcharlt | pug: if you want LOTS of MARC records, archive.org has several collections |
| 19:36 | pug | ok - done - ill be civic - thanks! |
| 19:36 | oh they do? provided as marc or spreadsheet files? | |
| 19:36 | cait | we have lots of german ones available too - but those might be a bit too big :) |
| 19:37 | gmcharlt | pug: as MARC and/or MARCXML |
| 19:37 | drojf | cait: if it checks if the addess is allowed/known/whatever it will probably have a hard time if it is the to-address ;) |
| 19:37 | cait | https://wiki.bsz-bw.de/doku.ph[…]:openaccess:start |
| 19:37 | drojf: i am all confused between from and to now. | |
| 19:37 | drojf | the from should be yours and the to the patron |
| 19:38 | pug | cait - nope - cant take german! |
| 19:39 | cait | drojf: didn't you say from and to where the same aka the patron's? |
| 19:39 | drojf | cait: it is From => $branchdetails->{'branchemail'} || C4::Context->preference("KohaAdminEmailAddress"), in another sub |
| 19:39 | cait | and i should not try and be active in discussions so soon after getting home |
| 19:39 | drojf | drojf: yes, they are in that one case |
| 19:39 | that is the error ;) | |
| 19:39 | gmcharlt | drojf: you're talking to yourself ;) |
| 19:39 | drojf | oh |
| 19:39 | pug | gmcharlt -- thanks -- archive.org indeed has a large collection ! -- I think ill add my findings to the koha-wiki --- the entries there arent as impressive |
| 19:39 | drojf | lol |
| 19:39 | cait | gmcharlt: be nice, he is working so hard |
| 19:39 | drojf | cait ^^ |
| 19:40 | cait | to fix my bugs :) |
| 19:40 | gmcharlt | drojf++ |
| 19:40 | pug | gmcharlt++ |
| 19:40 | drojf | cait co-confused me |
| 19:40 | cait | i am good at that :) |
| 19:40 | guess when i log in... wahanui should call out a warning to everyone | |
| 19:41 | pug | bye guys - thanks again! |
| 19:41 | mtompset | "Hear ye! Hear ye! Cait the Confuser has arrived." |
| 19:41 | * mtompset | grins. |
| 19:42 | gmcharlt | cait: that'a actually possible, btw, with huggin's Herald module |
| 19:42 | cait | ohoh |
| 19:43 | drojf | i don't think we should have 3 or 4 different subs to send emails… |
| 19:43 | cait | gmcharlt: reading back i see that i misread your comment *sigh* |
| 19:43 | I forgot to drink water today... will blame anything on that | |
| 19:43 | or some other excuses | |
| 19:43 | excuse? | |
| 19:43 | wahanui | cait: The server at bofh.engr.wisc.edu (port 666) appears to be down. |
| 19:43 | cait | hm, that used to wrok better |
| 19:43 | drojf | you can still drink water now ;) |
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| 19:44 | cait | working on it :) |
| 19:44 | pianohacker | cait: Quick question: Now that I have a follow-up on bug 10320, should I mark it as "needs signoff" again? |
| 19:44 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10320 enhancement, P4, ---, jweaver, Failed QA , Show results from library's OverDrive collection in OPAC search |
| 19:44 | cait | pianohacker: are you trying to make use of my confusedness? :) |
| 19:45 | pianohacker | not intentionally. That was an honest question :) |
| 19:45 | cait | pianohacker: hm the follow up needs some work actually |
| 19:45 | because i think there is a test that will start screaming if you don't use " instead of ' | |
| 19:45 | at least this was discussed | |
| 19:45 | and I'd remove the extra spaces | |
| 19:45 | pianohacker | Haha, kk. Will do. After I fix that, what should I do? |
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| 19:45 | cait | _( 'Availability' ) = _("Availability") |
| 19:46 | pianohacker: i am a bit torn :) - problem is that we probably can't really test without overdrive? | |
| 19:46 | mtompset | But single quotes is perl-critic friendlier. :) |
| 19:47 | cait | mtompset: yeah, but not in javascript trnaslation strings |
| 19:47 | because of translations | |
| 19:47 | :) | |
| 19:47 | if a french library translates and does use ' somewhere... it will break the javascript | |
| 19:47 | pianohacker | cait: Yes, that's why we tested with a client for signoff |
| 19:48 | cait | yeah, not sure how to qa it :) |
| 19:48 | probably can only do a regression tst | |
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| 19:49 | cait | pianohacker: outof curiosity - you don't have screenshots somewhere how it looks like? |
| 19:49 | might be nice for the release notes later too | |
| 19:49 | pianohacker | ahh, I don't, but nengard does |
| 19:50 | oleonard | Oh yeah I've been meaning to test that too. We've got OverDrive. |
| 19:50 | pianohacker | oleonard: Excellent! |
| 19:50 | gmcharlt | IMO, it would be appropriate for whoever is QAing it to temporarily borrow an API key |
| 19:50 | drojf | if they want to be integrated in the phantastic koha ils they should provide some free accounts :P |
| 19:53 | cait | gmcharlt: maybe if oleonard did another test? we could gather some more sign offs |
| 19:53 | lots of it seems to be css, js and templates | |
| 19:54 | gmcharlt | either they cough up, or they won't get API support added to Koha for lack of independent testing; note that I'm *not* suggesting that keys be shared publicly |
| 19:54 | cait | and a new module, but i guess that's unlikely to break something else :) |
| 19:54 | :) | |
| 19:54 | gmcharlt++ :) | |
| 19:54 | oleonard | I'm sure OverDrive couldn't care less. |
| 19:55 | pianohacker | They're an ebook provider, not caring is their business model |
| 19:55 | gmcharlt | but certainly, if oleonard's library has OverDrive (and support for that API, if it's a separate thing), his QAing is good enough for me |
| 19:55 | pianohacker | gmcharlt: But yeah, I agree with you wholeheartedly from a project standpoint, if not a business one |
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| 19:59 | pianohacker | oleonard: Many thanks. Let me know if there's anything I can do to help |
| 20:00 | drojf | can somebody tell me if gpg on ubuntu is a) installed by default and b) resides at /usr/bin/gpg ? |
| 20:00 | maybe tcohen knows? | |
| 20:00 | tcohen | gnupg |
| 20:01 | drojf | tcohen: the binary is called gnupg on ubuntu? |
| 20:01 | tcohen | no, its package's name |
| 20:01 | mtompset | What tcohen said. :) |
| 20:01 | tcohen | both questions seem correct |
| 20:02 | drojf | thanks1 |
| 20:02 | mtompset | drojf: Is this for one of your patches? |
| 20:02 | drojf | ! |
| 20:03 | mtompset: yes. i was wondering if it will work out of the box. i'd like to have email encryption without the library doing anything to enable it if possible | |
| 20:03 | so you don't have to ask and it just works | |
| 20:03 | mtompset | Ah. |
| 20:04 | tcohen | are you adding a configuration tab for email settings? |
| 20:06 | drojf | it was in admin.pref in the first draft. or do you mean for the opac side? there needs to be a place for patrons to put their public key |
| 20:07 | since it is probably only the path to gpg a whole new tab in the staff client is a little much | |
| 20:10 | tcohen | heh, I miss an SMTP section for setting everything emailrelated |
| 20:12 | drojf | it would be nice if koha would magically make emails work |
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| 20:16 | drojf | http://foaas.herokuapp.com/you/Letters.pm/drojf |
| 20:16 | foaas and i will have a great future together | |
| 20:17 | gmcharlt | drojf: we are SO not turning Koha into an MTA! ;) |
| 20:17 | drojf | gmcharlt: awwww :P |
| 20:18 | oleonard | Later #koha |
| 20:18 | * cait | formally aplogoizes for all people confused by her today... and this week |
| 20:18 | cait | hm to all... |
| 20:19 | can't even get the apologies right :) | |
| 20:19 | drojf | :P |
| 20:20 | cait++ | |
| 20:20 | cait | hmpf :) |
| 20:22 | druthb | cait++ |
| 20:22 | cait | druthb! |
| 20:23 | drojf | druthb! |
| 20:23 | druthb | druthb! |
| 20:24 | :P | |
| 20:24 | * druthb | is confused by cait's confused apology. |
| 20:24 | cait | druthb: then it worked again i guess |
| 20:27 | pondering the fact the channel is logged i am going to only confuse people in pm now I think | |
| 20:27 | :) | |
| 20:27 | druthb | no, what confused me, is that you think an apology is needed. |
| 20:28 | cait | druthb: you haven#t spend enough time here today :) |
| 20:28 | mtj++ Joubu++ | |
| 20:32 | druthb | cait: caitsnack cookie! |
| 20:34 | cait | thx :) |
| 20:34 | tcohen | argentinian cookies with mate for cait |
| 20:34 | cait | heh |
| 20:34 | that sounds dangerous! | |
| 20:35 | tcohen | not at all |
| 20:36 | drojf | oooh i want mate cookies! |
| 20:37 | tcohen | no no, argentinian cookies would have dulce de leche, and mate is a beverage |
| 20:40 | * druthb | packs up her gear, and heads for home. |
| 20:40 | drojf | mate is a beverage here too ;) there is a soft drin with yerba mate extract |
| 20:40 | drink | |
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| 20:42 | tcohen | r u kidding? where do i have do travel to give it a try? |
| 20:42 | drojf | it's pretty big in germany nowadays. there are more and more brands actually |
| 20:43 | cait | tcohen: an you are very welcome to come and visit :) |
| 20:43 | drojf | well, big among nerds and hackers… :D but it's getting mainstream |
| 20:43 | and it was sold out at the supermarket today :( no idea how i am supposed to wake up tomorrow | |
| 20:44 | tcohen | heh |
| 20:44 | drojf | they sell it in supermarkets. like, looots of cases. it's ridiculous. a few years ago you had to hunt single bottles in a few small shops across town |
| 20:45 | haha. it has an english wikipedia entry https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Club_mate | |
| 20:45 | pianohacker | drojf: Do they have malta, by any chance? If we're going for crazy soda, that one's the one I know |
| 20:46 | drojf | never heard of it i think |
| 20:46 | jenkins_koha | Project Koha_master build #1320: SUCCESS in 1 hr 14 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]Koha_master/1320/ |
| 20:46 | * Mirko Tietgen: bug 10549: make the ILS-DI services advertise that they return UTF-8 | |
| 20:46 | * Galen Charlton: Bug 10549: (follow-up) make sure ILS-DI GetAvailability response is emitted as UTF-8 | |
| 20:46 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10549 trivial, P5 - low, ---, mirko, Pushed to Master , ILS-DI should not use ISO-8851-9 encoding |
| 20:46 | pianohacker | tcohen: Is malta a thing at all in argentina? |
| 20:46 | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malta_(soft_drink) | |
| 20:47 | tcohen | Malta == Malt |
| 20:47 | jenkins_koha | Starting build #1321 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS) |
| 20:48 | tcohen | never heard of a soda consisting of Mal pianohacker |
| 20:48 | drojf | ah, malt beer. we have that too |
| 20:48 | mtompset | In Canada there have been caffeine deaths. Now I can't find the Rage Inferno at the Dollar store anymore. |
| 20:48 | pianohacker | non-alcoholic, but pretty good |
| 20:48 | mtompset | 375mg of caffeine! |
| 20:48 | pianohacker | _lords_ |
| 20:48 | drojf | omg |
| 20:49 | pianohacker | Really only two cups of coffee, but that's still nuts |
| 20:49 | drojf | i think you can easily die from 5g or something |
| 20:49 | mtompset | That's the problem. These teens were chugging them back. |
| 20:49 | pianohacker | I've heard as low as 2g, but we college students can probably push that limit up a bit :P |
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| 20:49 | drojf | lol |
| 20:50 | mtompset | Ah... it even had a nice warning on it to NOT chug it. |
| 20:50 | pianohacker | .... |
| 20:50 | drojf | great, give those little idiots ideas |
| 20:50 | pianohacker | that's like telling someone to never push the big red button |
| 20:50 | drojf | exactly |
| 20:50 | pianohacker | "oh, hey, I didn't see that big red button before, thanks!" |
| 20:52 | drojf | oh |
| 20:52 | i think i got a problem. we have that OverdueNoticeBcc option | |
| 20:53 | if i send an encrypted email to my patron and tell them "great, this email is so secure!" and then send a copy unencrypted back to the library… that does not make sense | |
| 20:54 | cait | you could put in a note that the library received an unencrypted copy ;) |
| 20:54 | yeah i know.. not helpful | |
| 20:54 | mtompset | http://youtu.be/tkm9sjFtUr0 (Rage Inferno review) |
| 20:54 | * cait | goes back to nibbling mate cookies |
| 20:55 | drojf | if i send an encrypted copy to the library they will be very confused… especially when they do not know about the encryption stuff that is supposed to work without them doing anything |
| 20:55 | i'd say patron's wish>library bcc. but the library might disagree | |
| 20:56 | lol mtompset. that… container looks very attractive | |
| 20:59 | hmm. what is the bcc email really for? to prove that an overdue email was sent, right? or is it really about what is in there? or something else that i am missing? | |
| 21:01 | mtompset | http://www.energyfiend.com/the-caffeine-database |
| 21:01 | sort on caffeine. ;) | |
| 21:01 | cait | i think it's to prove, but you could achieve the same goal with reports i think |
| 21:01 | it's just something people feel more comfortable with | |
| 21:01 | but from a privacy point of view... probably not so nice? | |
| 21:02 | drojf | but the encrypted mail would prove it… or not? |
| 21:02 | cait | maybe ifit#s an encrypted mail... you could just send a note that an encrypted mail for borrowernumber x was sent out? |
| 21:02 | not sure. | |
| 21:03 | right, back to the mate cookies for me :) | |
| 21:03 | tcohen: how many of those cookies will it need? | |
| 21:03 | tcohen | hm what? |
| 21:06 | drojf | 16000mg of caffeine?? |
| 21:06 | cait | tcohen: to make me less confused :) |
| 21:07 | drojf | hahaha death wish coffee |
| 21:09 | tcohen | 1mg less than fatal |
| 21:09 | drojf | cait: i think i will go with your option of sending a message that the patron opted in for encryotion and a message was sent accordingly |
| 21:09 | that seems like the less confusing thing to do | |
| 21:09 | see, you can unconfuse too ;) | |
| 21:10 | cait | drojf: i was just about to tell you to not listen to me :) |
| 21:10 | drojf | too late |
| 21:10 | cait | oh what have i done... |
| 21:11 | drojf | git blame cait -> "cait told me to do it" in every line |
| 21:15 | cait | hm |
| 21:16 | drojf | excellent name btw. overduenoticebcc. given that it is used for all messages |
| 21:17 | cait | it grew into that task |
| 21:17 | drojf | …not just overdues :O |
| 21:17 | lol | |
| 21:17 | cait | but you are right about that |
| 21:17 | you should file a bug | |
| 21:17 | it's one of the prefs that should be renamed for the right reason | |
| 21:18 | drojf | when filing a but is more work than doing a patch… :/ maybe tomorrow |
| 21:18 | pianohacker | drojf: Or polish up the .pref for it a bit :) |
| 21:18 | That's about 30% of the reason for it, is confusingly-named sysprefs | |
| 21:20 | drojf | i wonder how long it will take until the first library will ask how to prevent patrons from getting encrypted emails so they have a nice bcc |
| 21:21 | bonus points if they got the NSA in bcc :D | |
| 21:21 | cait | ouch |
| 21:22 | wizzyrea | heh. |
| 21:23 | cait | wizzyrea: no holds questions to night - but i might still be confusing :) |
| 21:23 | wizzyrea | heh |
| 21:23 | cait | how is wellington today? |
| 21:23 | wizzyrea | @wunder nzwn |
| 21:23 | huginn` | wizzyrea: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 11.0°C (9:00 AM NZST on July 18, 2013). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 88%. Dew Point: 9.0°C. Pressure: 30.27 in 1025 hPa (Steady). |
| 21:23 | wizzyrea | ncie |
| 21:23 | nice. | |
| 21:24 | tcohen | hi wizzyrea |
| 21:25 | wizzyrea | hi |
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| 21:31 | pianohacker | wizzyrea: Assuming that the patch for bug 8133 addressed your concerns, should I mark it as "Needs signoff", or what's the procedure |
| 21:31 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8133 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jweaver, Failed QA , hourly loans doesn't know when library closed |
| 21:31 | pianohacker | ? |
| 21:31 | wizzyrea | ah yep |
| 21:31 | needs signoff | |
| 21:31 | wahanui | i guess needs signoff is trending the wrong way, we |
| 21:31 | wizzyrea | forget needs signoff |
| 21:31 | wahanui | wizzyrea: I forgot needs signoff |
| 21:32 | wizzyrea | though I think I tried to get that and I couldn't get it to apply |
| 21:32 | let me try again | |
| 21:33 | Repository lacks necessary blobs to fall back on 3-way merge. | |
| 21:34 | let me try again | |
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| 21:42 | wizzyrea | ok sorry that was me |
| 21:42 | let me check it | |
| 21:44 | * cait | hands wizzyrea some of tcohen's mate cookies |
| 21:45 | wizzyrea | thanks |
| 21:45 | if I could get above 70% of things done that don't have ridiculous mistakes, it would be a good day. | |
| 21:46 | cait | wizzyrea: i am sure you will and can totally understand that wish |
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| 21:52 | rambutan | wizzyrea: I see Dan Alexander is presenting at LITA this year on 3D digital creation. Know him? |
| 21:52 | wizzyrea | yep |
| 21:52 | should be a good show. | |
| 21:53 | rambutan | LITA is right after KohaCon, don't know if I can go to LITA or not |
| 22:00 | jenkins_koha | Project Koha_master build #1321: SUCCESS in 1 hr 13 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]Koha_master/1321/ |
| 22:00 | wizzyrea | pianohacker, can you tell me if this test is sane - if I check out a book with a 1 hour circ limit, and a calendar event that says the library closes at 10:30 (it's 10am now) |
| 22:00 | even with a 1 hour circ, the book should still be due at 10:30 | |
| 22:00 | this is what the bug is about, right? | |
| 22:00 | pianohacker | Ahhhh, if daysMode is set to Calendar, yes. |
| 22:00 | *useDaysMode | |
| 22:01 | wizzyrea | good, that's what I hoped ;) |
| 22:01 | because that works just fine. :) | |
| 22:06 | pianohacker | Cool |
| 22:07 | The other part of it is setting UseDaysMode to Datedue, which streches the loan period over open days | |
| 22:07 | so if you have the open time for the day after set to 11:30, and you check it out now, it would be do at about 12:10 tomorrow | |
| 22:07 | s/do/due | |
| 22:18 | wizzyrea | oo |
| 22:18 | i will check that too | |
| 22:22 | cait | hm |
| 22:22 | jcamins | @wunder 11375 |
| 22:22 | huginn` | jcamins: The current temperature in Glendale, Glendale, New York is 30.1°C (6:16 PM EDT on July 17, 2013). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 63%. Dew Point: 22.0°C. Pressure: 30.07 in 1018 hPa (Falling). Heat advisory in effect until 8 PM EDT Friday... |
| 22:22 | jcamins | @wunder dothan, al |
| 22:22 | huginn` | jcamins: The current temperature in Dothan, Alabama is 32.1°C (5:21 PM CDT on July 17, 2013). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 61%. Dew Point: 24.0°C. Pressure: 30.14 in 1021 hPa (Falling). |
| 22:22 | jcamins | If only it were going to stay cooler in NYC. |
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| 22:44 | tcohen | night #koha |
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| 22:56 | mtompset | Greetings, papa. |
| 22:57 | Thanks for the feedback on the bug. | |
| 22:57 | Greetings, dcook. | |
| 22:57 | papa | no worries :0 |
| 22:57 | dcook | hey mtompset |
| 22:57 | wahanui | mtompset is, like, disliking the silent warnings flooding his error logs |
| 22:57 | dcook | morning #koha |
| 22:57 | mtompset | I put up a revised patch. |
| 22:58 | I think it is much cleaner as a result. :) | |
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| 23:57 | papa | p[ing mtompset |
| 23:58 | ping that is | |
| 23:58 | mtompset | ping. |
| 23:59 | papa | hey, you did not put an if $biblionumber) {} around GetItemsInfo |
| 23:59 | mtompset | No, but your complaint was that a dbh call was made. And since the responsibility for the dbh call is in that function, I didn't do t. |
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