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| Time | Nick | Message |
|---|---|---|
| 00:00 | mtj | yes, very impressive |
| 00:06 | tcohen | eythian: doesn't koha-rebuild-zebra --full|-f instancename do what is needed? |
| 00:07 | eythian | tcohen: I think they're actually reinitialising the zebra indices from scratch there. If a rebuild_zebra -f doesn't, then koha-rebuild-zebra won't. |
| 00:09 | rangi | just make sure their license doesn't preclude that |
| 00:09 | tcohen | rebuild_zebra -r does the init thing |
| 00:10 | eythian | oh, in that case you could just pass -r to koha-rebuild-zebra |
| 00:11 | tcohen | if you run koha-rebuild-zebra, -r is passed to rebuild_zebra.pl |
| 00:11 | maybe is a side effect of my rewrite... | |
| 00:11 | rangi | itd be nice if they actually put a license up |
| 00:12 | http://www.loc.gov/marc/authority/ | |
| 00:12 | eythian | tcohen: I think it's always been like that, but yeah, in this case it should just work. |
| 00:13 | tcohen | it has :-D |
| 00:13 | jcamins | There's a bug in the rebuild_zebra.pl logic, that's why there's a problem. I think. |
| 00:13 | tcohen | (always been there) |
| 00:13 | nengard | wizzyrea still around? |
| 00:14 | wizzyrea | yep - but I can't remember what it was I wanted to ask you >.< |
| 00:14 | eythian | tcohen: I just read through the code in rebuild_zebra and you're totally right about it doing that. |
| 00:15 | jcamins | There's something about the init not getting committed if there were no records. |
| 00:15 | I think. | |
| 00:16 | mtj | nice email eythian++ |
| 00:16 | dcook | rangi: Just noticed your comments in there. Good point. |
| 00:17 | tcohen | you're right jcamins |
| 00:17 | do_indexing is triggered only on the presence of anything to index | |
| 00:20 | dcook | "The Library reserves the right to block IP addresses that fail to honor the Library's robots.txt files or submit requests at a rate that negatively impacts service delivery to all Library patrons. Current guidelines recommend that software programs submit a total of no more than 10 requests per minute to Library applications, regardless of the number of machines used to submit requests. The Library also reserves the right to terminate programs that re |
| 00:20 | quire more than 24 hours to complete." | |
| 00:20 | eythian | that script needs some real perltidy'ing |
| 00:21 | * jcamins | can do whatever he wants with the data on the LC website. |
| 00:21 | cjh | wow 24 hours to complete, that is pretty generous. |
| 00:21 | jcamins | No one else on at this hour can, though, it looks like. |
| 00:21 | dcook | http://www.loc.gov/homepage/legal.html#security |
| 00:21 | jcamins: Oh? | |
| 00:22 | It's vague, but it seems to say that you can do whatever you want with the info it displays within those above constraints | |
| 00:22 | And so long as you don't try to access non-public information or vandalize their pages | |
| 00:22 | eythian | LoC probably isn't allowed to copyright any of their stuff, I think |
| 00:22 | jcamins | dcook: by definition, any data created by the Library of Congress is in the public domain for US citizens. |
| 00:22 | dcook | jcamins: Yeah, that's how I read that as well |
| 00:23 | eythian: Seems like it | |
| 00:23 | eythian: That is, I think you're right | |
| 00:23 | jcamins | So licensing terms are moot in my case (though as it turns out the license would allow anyone to scrape the MARC spec), but not in yours. |
| 00:24 | eythian | though, I expect it's uncommon for them to put restrictions on for international use. |
| 00:25 | jcamins | Yeah, it does seem kind of pointless. |
| 00:29 | dcook | Plus, there is nothing explicit that I see about that |
| 00:32 | jcamins | dcook: that's true for anything produced by the federal government, as I understand it. |
| 00:34 | dcook | jcamins: Hmm? |
| 00:34 | No copyright? | |
| 00:35 | * dcook | ponders |
| 00:36 | dcook | Now that I think about it, I think a lot of Canadian federal information is open to the public (if they actually post it and keep it updated...) |
| 00:36 | The provincial governments aren't quite as...open | |
| 00:36 | Library and Archives Canada is also seeming to decrease the amount of information and service they're providing both to libraries and citizens.. | |
| 00:37 | jcamins | dcook: yeah, the US doesn't have a Queen or Crown to reserve copyright. |
| 00:38 | dcook | That would probably help |
| 00:40 | jcamins | Mango-chocolate pudding? |
| 00:40 | Yes, I think so. | |
| 00:43 | nengard left #koha | |
| 00:45 | jcamins | Also in the running: chocolate-mango smoothie |
| 00:45 | Chocolate-mango mousse is out because I don't want to wait for it to set up, and it's hot in here so anything involving the oven is out. | |
| 00:58 | dcook | Mmm, jcamins, you're making me long for summer |
| 00:58 | Pudding might need to set too? | |
| 00:58 | Perhaps the smoothie | |
| 00:58 | * dcook | dislikes runny pudding |
| 01:00 | wizzyrea | vine for android! |
| 01:00 | squee! | |
| 01:03 | * dcook | has turned down the coke in favour of water, but...the chocolate remains |
| 01:03 | jcamins | dcook: I don't mind runny pudding. |
| 01:03 | dcook | In that case, it would probably be delicious |
| 01:03 | And gives me ideas... | |
| 01:04 | We have a mango tree in the backyard at home :). Won't have anything on it for ages since we're getting into winter, but... | |
| 01:04 | There will be mango bingeing when they're ripe again next summer | |
| 01:05 | What sort of chocolate are you using? | |
| 01:05 | jcamins | Just chocolate chips. |
| 01:09 | tcohen joined #koha | |
| 01:12 | dcook | Yumm |
| 01:12 | I'm just thinking because I would need to use dark chocolate of some sort due to the requisite veganness | |
| 01:13 | Hmm, I'm sure there are 70-80% dark chocolate chips out there.. | |
| 01:27 | jcamins | Mmmmm. |
| 01:28 | dcook | Argh. Only problem with local bands...you forget to buy their demo, you get a song stuck in your head, and you have no way to hear it again... |
| 01:28 | Well, unless you're friends with a friend of the lead singer, but...that doesn't help me now | |
| 01:53 | cait joined #koha | |
| 01:57 | * dcook | waves to cait |
| 01:58 | jcamins | cait?!? |
| 01:58 | wahanui | go back to bed, cait. |
| 02:00 | * dcook | hopes it was just the computer and that cait is still sleeping |
| 02:03 | * jcamins | thinks cait should turn her tablet off all the way so that it doesn't wake her. |
| 02:06 | rangi | @wunder nzwn |
| 02:06 | huginn` | rangi: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 14.0°C (1:00 PM NZST on June 04, 2013). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 72%. Dew Point: 9.0°C. Pressure: 29.50 in 999 hPa (Steady). |
| 02:07 | dcook | jcamins: Yet we keep using her name... |
| 02:09 | jcamins | True. |
| 02:09 | rangi | http://www.metservice.com/town[…]n/wellington-city |
| 02:10 | its gonna get yucky | |
| 02:10 | cjh | eik |
| 02:10 | jcamins | That's a lot of wind. |
| 02:10 | rangi | southerly too |
| 02:10 | so cold | |
| 02:10 | dcook | Wow... |
| 02:11 | rangi | straight off antartica |
| 02:11 | cjh | cold, windy and wet :( |
| 02:17 | eythian | they were talking about 30mm+ of rain in an hour, though appear to have revised that. |
| 02:31 | wizzyrea | holy crap that's a lot of wind. |
| 02:31 | wunder missed the spitting rain. | |
| 02:32 | * wizzyrea | is feeling toasty warm after soup and a coffee. |
| 02:34 | eythian | yeah, it's not a good day to be biking. |
| 02:35 | unless you're biking home, in which case you'll be passing traffic going up the hill. | |
| 02:36 | ibeardslee | you can steer with the wind blowing you backwards up the hill? |
| 02:36 | eythian | ibeardslee: why are you going backwards? |
| 02:37 | ibeardslee | seems standard around here |
| 02:38 | * ibeardslee | wanders to sharpen knives |
| 02:38 | wizzyrea | ! |
| 02:38 | * wizzyrea | makes a note to avoid ibeardslee's desk |
| 02:38 | ibeardslee | .. not in here |
| 02:38 | mostly sane people in here | |
| 02:39 | wizzyrea | keyword: mostly |
| 02:39 | eythian | ibeardslee: the knife sharpener person comes to Catalyst, you know |
| 02:40 | wizzyrea | that's less fun than wandering around with knives. |
| 02:45 | mtompset joined #koha | |
| 02:45 | mtompset | Greetings, #koha. |
| 02:46 | Has there ever been a discussion about permissions related to patron types or groups? | |
| 02:46 | eythian | to what end? |
| 02:46 | what can one patron do that another can't? | |
| 02:47 | wizzyrea | mtompset: yes, I hear that quite often |
| 02:47 | see certain things | |
| 02:47 | mtompset | Exactly. |
| 02:48 | wizzyrea | I call that "views" |
| 02:48 | patron views | |
| 02:48 | mtompset | Or have people who can easily handle TWO independent branches. |
| 02:48 | wizzyrea | well that sounds like it is for staff |
| 02:48 | dcook | IE-- |
| 02:48 | mtompset | without having to through multiple user ids or superlibrarian at them. |
| 02:48 | ^through^throw^ | |
| 02:49 | well, it would be both a staff vs. volunteer staff type scenario. | |
| 02:49 | Or a our corporate person vs. our partner organization person patron. | |
| 02:51 | Or... patrons in country X only see branches in country X (based on a group set up). | |
| 02:52 | because in addition to the SAML stuff I'm playing with... making slow progress, but progress nonetheless... the authentication problems ties into an authorization problem. | |
| 02:54 | Imagine having people responsible for acquisitions different than cataloguers different than (other functionalities), and having those sets of permissions defaulting for the patron type, because you set up grades of staffing. | |
| 02:55 | Does that make sense? | |
| 02:58 | eythian | no |
| 02:58 | at least, not to me | |
| 02:58 | (as in, I can't actually parse it :) | |
| 03:00 | wizzyrea | yes, that makes sense to me |
| 03:01 | mtompset | Well, okay... let's see... the Set Permissions page. |
| 03:01 | wizzyrea | you are talking about permission profiles |
| 03:01 | mtompset | Yes, permission profiles. |
| 03:01 | wizzyrea | based on category |
| 03:01 | mtompset | But linked to patron category. |
| 03:01 | eythian | so, roles. |
| 03:01 | wizzyrea | roles, sure |
| 03:01 | mtompset | Yes, roles would be another word that works for me. :) |
| 03:01 | mtj | peeps, can you import an authority file via the staff gui, in koha? |
| 03:02 | wizzyrea | yes, in 3.12 |
| 03:02 | mtj | … or must you use the cli tool? |
| 03:02 | aah, ok | |
| 03:02 | i thought it was a recent feature :d | |
| 03:02 | wizzyrea | mtompset: you would not be the first or last to wish for this |
| 03:02 | mtompset | wizzyrea: I may be the one to try to implement it. |
| 03:02 | mtj | thanks liz :) |
| 03:02 | wizzyrea | I LIKE IT |
| 03:02 | yw :) | |
| 03:03 | ...this commute is going to be pants. | |
| 03:04 | mtompset | I'm assuming that is slang for bad. |
| 03:04 | wizzyrea | indeed. |
| 03:04 | that is, if it keeps doing what it's currently doing outside | |
| 03:04 | 2 hours... there may be relief before then. | |
| 03:04 | mtompset | raining? |
| 03:05 | wizzyrea | yep :) |
| 03:05 | mtompset | It can't decide if it is spring or summer here. |
| 03:06 | Drive through pouring rain only to be greeted by nice sunshine 15 minutes later... repeat randomly. | |
| 03:06 | eythian | wizzyrea: the rain probably won't let up for a while, look how dark it is out there. |
| 03:06 | wizzyrea | i know, I was noticing. |
| 03:06 | mtj | off-topic - i just discovered a bunch of interesting docs from LOC, re: auth-records |
| 03:06 | http://authorities.loc.gov/help/auth-faq.htm | |
| 03:06 | http://authorities.loc.gov/ | |
| 03:07 | eythian | however, when the wind kicks in, it'll probably start going upwards anyway, so it might remain dry :) |
| 03:07 | wizzyrea | ^.^ |
| 03:08 | isn't that how you get hail? | |
| 03:08 | rain getting bounced back up into the cold cloud and tossed around | |
| 03:08 | mtj | this was a bummer tho... |
| 03:08 | "5) Does the Library of Congress provide Z39.50 access to authority records? | |
| 03:08 | No. Z39.50 access to authority records is not currently available. LC does expect to be able to offer Z39.50 access to authority records in a future release." | |
| 03:08 | wizzyrea | bother |
| 03:09 | eythian | wasn't it dcook who was doing stuff with that? |
| 03:09 | he might be able to tell you the useful sources | |
| 03:11 | mtj | yeah, i'll ask him next time |
| 03:11 | bug 10096 has some info | |
| 03:11 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10096 new feature, P5 - low, ---, dcook, Needs Signoff , Add a Z39.50 interface for authority searching |
| 03:12 | mtj | aaaaah "Update: Jcamins has mentioned that it's actually possible to use the "Stage MARC records for import" tool for importing authorities as well starting from 3.10+" |
| 03:12 | dcook | Hmm? |
| 03:12 | * dcook | just got back to his desk and is seeing red |
| 03:12 | dcook | In the nicest way possible |
| 03:13 | Yeah, jcamins is awesome | |
| 03:13 | Yeah, I'm not 100% sure if that line about Library of Congress not providing Z39.50 access to authority records is bunk or not | |
| 03:14 | Because they do have a few authority databases that you can access through Z39.50 | |
| 03:14 | I just wonder if they're "the" authority databases | |
| 03:15 | mtj: Unfortunately, LoC doesn't offer MARC downloads of its authorities | |
| 03:15 | They just have it in RDF, me thinks | |
| 03:15 | All the more reason to develop Semantikoha, I suppose | |
| 03:16 | mtj | you can get auth records via their website |
| 03:16 | dcook | Individually |
| 03:16 | mtj | um… yeah :/ |
| 03:17 | dcook | Yeah, another one of those scenarios of "wth, LoC" |
| 03:18 | mtj: http://www.loc.gov/z3950/lcserver.html#serv | |
| 03:18 | mtj | heres an auth records for 'king arthur' -> http://lccn.loc.gov/nr97000676 |
| 03:18 | and in marcxml -> http://lccn.loc.gov/nr97000676/marcxml | |
| 03:19 | dcook | I can check quick to see if the name files listed here accord with that |
| 03:19 | mtj | so, thats useful stuff |
| 03:20 | lol, sorry thats 'Arthur King' not king arthur :) | |
| 03:20 | dcook | Interesting...apparently my backport is broken... |
| 03:20 | That's...surprising | |
| 03:23 | Ok, let's see... | |
| 03:25 | mtj | dcook, have you had any success fetching auth records, with this general info? -> http://www.loc.gov/z3950/lcserver.html |
| 03:25 | dcook | mtj: Yep |
| 03:26 | I wish I would've kept the control number search field though... | |
| 03:26 | As I'm having difficulty locating that example of yours | |
| 03:27 | I just found PKD no problem though | |
| 03:28 | mtj | ok, thats surprisingly good news |
| 03:28 | dcook | Hmm, the 005s are different though |
| 03:29 | The rest of the information looks good though | |
| 03:29 | Although the z39.50 version is missing some of their local 9xx tags (which probably makes sense) | |
| 03:30 | Mmm, looks like the z39.50 version was last touched a day after the one you find in the catalogue | |
| 03:31 | mtj | promising |
| 03:31 | dcook | I'm not retrieving all the King, Arthur entries though.. |
| 03:31 | Ohhh, unless I am | |
| 03:31 | And it's the backport that's messed up... | |
| 03:31 | * dcook | goes to try it with his dev install |
| 03:31 | dcook | The backport only uses the top 20 hits |
| 03:31 | Because 3.8 is inferior to 3.10 and 3.12 :p | |
| 03:34 | Hmm, and of course I nuked my old config when I reset my db. Silly me. | |
| 03:35 | mtj: Can you link me to the web page that says they don't provide z39.50 access? | |
| 03:35 | I've been wondering if that's just old info | |
| 03:39 | mtj: Yep, the z39.50 authority searching patch I have on bugzilla works | |
| 03:39 | It finds your King, Arthur | |
| 03:39 | (the backport was just cutting off at 20 records, while the version I posted in bugzilla actually retrieves all results) | |
| 03:40 | The records are identical. Even the 005s. | |
| 03:46 | mtompset | Have a good day (24 hour period), everyone. |
| 03:46 | mtj | dcook++ awesome :) |
| 03:46 | dcook | Thanks :). I was pretty happy with the end result. |
| 03:52 | wizzyrea | http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]te_Administration -- if you have something here, or have been passed a torch to do any of this stuff, please update yourselves :) |
| 03:53 | * wizzyrea | nudges eythian - wahanui isn't listed |
| 03:53 | eythian | wahanui isn't a website |
| 03:53 | wizzyrea | the other bots are listed :P |
| 03:54 | which... may be inappropriate | |
| 03:54 | eythian | http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/IRC_Regulars <-- they are here |
| 03:54 | wizzyrea | cool I'll remove them from there then |
| 03:54 | there = website admin | |
| 03:56 | dcook | Mmm, I was wondering if it was a Linode-based site |
| 03:56 | Ack | |
| 03:56 | UK-based Linode site | |
| 03:56 | No wonder cait was getting super fast results and mine were taking a while | |
| 03:56 | wizzyrea | :) |
| 03:57 | * wizzyrea | was warned away from dallas and atlanta |
| 03:57 | wizzyrea | that left japan and UK |
| 03:57 | dcook | UK seems to make sense |
| 03:57 | Wow, I didn't know Bugzilla was on Linode, Dallas | |
| 03:58 | Blowing my mind-tank | |
| 03:58 | wizzyrea | O.o |
| 04:02 | eythian | hmm, I just had git break a makefile on me |
| 04:02 | (it turned tabs into spaces, which is a no-no) | |
| 04:03 | wizzyrea | erps |
| 04:03 | eythian | I have auto-whitespace-cleaning on, it was probably that. |
| 04:03 | mtj | hmmm, i wonder if theres an .ignore file, for that |
| 04:04 | eythian | I don't know, it'd be good if there were |
| 04:33 | @wunder nzwn | |
| 04:33 | huginn` | eythian: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 11.0°C (4:00 PM NZST on June 04, 2013). Conditions: Rain. Humidity: 94%. Dew Point: 10.0°C. Pressure: 29.56 in 1001 hPa (Rising). |
| 04:34 | eythian | I'm surprise the hPa is rising. |
| 04:34 | I'd expect falling through the floor. | |
| 04:37 | wizzyrea | maybe it's the bubble before the fall |
| 04:38 | eythian | could be, not much of one though. My phone records it and it's been falling all day, just a small blip an hour or two ago. |
| 04:39 | wizzyrea | weird! |
| 04:39 | eythian | I wonder if the streetlights are on. They should be. |
| 04:40 | mtj | peeps, anyone managed to import any marcxml files into koha, via the gui? |
| 04:40 | dcook | Which kind? |
| 04:40 | wahanui | Which kind is probably the right kind >.> |
| 04:41 | mtj | hmm, either bib or auth |
| 04:41 | dcook | Took me a second to realize what you were saying |
| 04:41 | I've never tried anything but raw marc | |
| 04:41 | mtj | my hunch is, its a missing feature |
| 04:41 | dcook | Very possibly |
| 04:42 | mtj | … the cli tool handles marcxml, but not the gui? |
| 04:42 | dcook | Have you tried it |
| 04:42 | ? | |
| 04:42 | mtj | yep |
| 04:42 | it failed | |
| 04:43 | eythian | yeah, I'm fairly sure it doesn't handle that. |
| 04:43 | mtj | ill take a peek, and see if its an easy patch |
| 04:44 | wizzyrea | mtj I'm pretty sure the gui doesn't handle xml |
| 04:44 | mtj | ok, thanks all |
| 04:45 | dcook | That shouldn't be a hard thing to change though |
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| 04:57 | eythian | I see it worked, kathryn_ |
| 04:58 | * wizzyrea | waves to kathryn |
| 04:58 | kathryn_ | Yes thanks for that eythian :) |
| 04:58 | wizzyrea | and kathryn_ |
| 04:58 | * kathryn_ | waves back |
| 04:59 | kathryn_ | it's making 80s computer noises |
| 05:00 | eythian | http://youtu.be/-m8IOD-wk9g <-- or 1979 computer noises? |
| 05:00 | * wizzyrea | makes a crotchety old lady noise about getting off of her lawn |
| 05:01 | wizzyrea | into the rain with me |
| 05:01 | later peeps | |
| 05:01 | kathryn_ | hehe byes |
| 05:04 | cait | waves |
| 05:04 | eythian | cait?!? |
| 05:04 | wahanui | rumour has it cait is qam, not your secretary |
| 05:04 | eythian | cait?!? |
| 05:04 | wahanui | somebody said cait was qam, not your secretary |
| 05:04 | eythian | cait?!? |
| 05:04 | wahanui | go back to bed, cait. |
| 05:04 | cait | no |
| 05:13 | kathryn_ | hi cait :) rebel..with a cause? |
| 05:14 | cait | yep have to get ready for work :-) |
| 05:14 | kathryn_ | fair nuff :) |
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| 05:31 | * cait | waves again |
| 05:31 | * dcook | waves to cait |
| 05:42 | cait | :) |
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| 06:30 | christophe_c | hello #koha |
| 06:33 | cait | hi christophe_c :) |
| 06:33 | and bbl :) | |
| 06:34 | cait joined #koha | |
| 06:37 | christophe_c | hello cait ;-) |
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| 06:47 | reiveune | hello |
| 06:47 | wahanui | que tal, reiveune |
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| 06:57 | dcook | All right. Star Trek time! |
| 06:57 | night folks | |
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| 07:02 | asaurat | hi |
| 07:02 | wahanui | hola, asaurat |
| 07:03 | sophie_m | bonjour |
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| 07:22 | gaetan_B | hello |
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| 07:49 | kf | hi #koha |
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| 07:54 | rangi | evening |
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| 07:57 | kf | evening rangi |
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| 08:06 | gerundio | good morning everyone |
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| 08:26 | BobB | paul_p about? |
| 08:27 | paul_p | BobB not far ;-) |
| 08:27 | BobB | :) |
| 08:27 | Hi Paul. | |
| 08:27 | Irma and I would like to come to Marseille hackfest in 2014. Are we welcome? | |
| 08:28 | Just speculating at this stage, but it would be nice. We'd like to see our daughter (in London). :) | |
| 08:29 | paul_p, I am trying to use a sandbox (#7) to test a patch in the self checkout module. | |
| 08:30 | paul_p | BobB of course you would be more than welcomed to 2014 Marseille hackfest !!! |
| 08:30 | BobB | But when I enter ... |
| 08:30 | catalogue.test7.biblibre.com/cgi-bin/koha/sco/sco-main.pl | |
| 08:30 | it sends me to opac-main.pl. Any reason you know of? | |
| 08:32 | paul_p | BobB probably not a sandbox thing, but the sco syspref should be disabled probably |
| 08:32 | (dunno it's name, and i'm at a meeting, so can't investigate) | |
| 08:32 | BobB | ooops!!! Did not check the sys pref, that will be it for sure. |
| 08:33 | * BobB | goes to investigate the sys pref (sheepishly) |
| 08:33 | BobB | Thanks paul_p |
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| 09:10 | rangi | @wunder nzwn |
| 09:10 | huginn` | rangi: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 10.0°C (9:00 PM NZST on June 04, 2013). Conditions: Rain. Humidity: 94%. Dew Point: 9.0°C. Pressure: 29.71 in 1006 hPa (Rising). |
| 09:50 | kf | @wunder Konstanz |
| 09:50 | huginn` | kf: The current temperature in APRSWXNET Friedrichshafen DE, Friedrichshafen, Germany is 11.7°C (11:15 AM CEST on June 04, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 73%. Dew Point: 7.0°C. Pressure: 30.09 in 1019 hPa (Steady). |
| 09:50 | kf | we got some sun! |
| 09:50 | haven't seen it in a while | |
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| 11:36 | jcamins | Nomnomnom... CSA starting today! We're getting a lettuce mix, salad turnips, bok choi, romaine lettuce, arugula, and red kale. |
| 11:41 | kf | yay :) |
| 11:44 | jcamins | I wish I didn't have to wait until tonight to get it. :/ |
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| 11:56 | * kf | sends jcamins some bok choi |
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| 12:05 | samueld | hi everybody :-) |
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| 12:30 | tcohen | morning #koha! |
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| 12:33 | drojf | good day #koha |
| 12:37 | kf | hi drojf :) |
| 12:37 | hi tcohen and samueld :) | |
| 12:37 | drojf | hi kf :) |
| 12:37 | samueld | hi kf |
| 12:39 | tcohen | hi kf |
| 12:40 | eythian++ # for this mid-term packages update to support wheezy | |
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| 13:03 | tcohen | @search rebuild_zebra.pl |
| 13:03 | huginn` | tcohen: There were no matching configuration variables. |
| 13:03 | tcohen | @query rebuild_zebra.pl |
| 13:03 | huginn` | tcohen: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6172 critical, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Zebra not indexed Unimarc-records |
| 13:03 | tcohen: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6435 major, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , False "no items" in search results [intranet] | |
| 13:03 | tcohen: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8493 trivial, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , improve verbosity output of rebuild_zebra.pl script | |
| 13:03 | tcohen: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9511 critical, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , DOM indexing problem | |
| 13:03 | tcohen: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10161 normal, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , rebuild_zebra.pl should (at least) exit 1 on error | |
| 13:05 | tcohen | jcamins, should I fill a bug for the rebuild_zebra.pl script not resetting the indexes if zebraqueue empty |
| 13:05 | ¿ | |
| 13:06 | jcamins | Sure. |
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| 13:23 | tcohen | bug 10399 |
| 13:23 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10399 normal, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Needs Signoff , rebuild_zebra.pl should reset the indexes with -r even if zebraqueue empty |
| 13:24 | kf | tcohen++ :) |
| 13:27 | drojf | kf: do you agree with the comment on bug 10361 about moving the query to Search.pm? |
| 13:27 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10361 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, mirko, Needs Signoff , Add Option to cleanup_database.pl to purge search_history entries |
| 13:28 | kf | hm |
| 13:28 | I am not sure really | |
| 13:28 | if all other search related things are there it might make sense | |
| 13:28 | but I am not sure i would have looked in search.pm for it :) | |
| 13:28 | maybe gmcharlt is the person to ask here as he can tell you to redo it :) | |
| 13:31 | drojf | i would not look for anything in search.pm |
| 13:31 | ;) | |
| 13:31 | jcamins | Wise. |
| 13:31 | drojf | i was rather having in mind to put it into a larger privacy thing later |
| 13:54 | @later tell gmcharlt could you have a look at the comments on bug 10361 please? do you agree i should move the query to Search.pm? | |
| 13:54 | huginn` | drojf: The operation succeeded. |
| 13:55 | * drojf | drank club mate and coffee and is still tired :( |
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| 14:15 | gmcharlt | drojf: good morning |
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| 14:16 | gmcharlt | to answer your question, if you don't want to spend too much effort at it, I agree with Srdjan that it should go into C4::Search -- that's where AddSearchHistory and GetSearchHistory live at the moment |
| 14:17 | if you want to take a little more time and refactor, maybe put it in a new module called Koha::Search::History on thel ike | |
| 14:17 | @quote random | |
| 14:17 | huginn` | gmcharlt: Quote #154: "rangi: it's destined to be an eternal mystery" (added by wizzyrea at 04:53 AM, September 15, 2011) |
| 14:22 | kf | good one :) |
| 14:24 | * wizzyrea | waves sleepily |
| 14:25 | kf | go to bed! |
| 14:26 | gmcharlt | wizzyrea: so, about that use of the blink tag you were going to roll out on the website .. how is that coming along? |
| 14:28 | kf | lol |
| 14:29 | wizzyrea | :) |
| 14:29 | gmcharlt | not sleepy enough, I see ;) |
| 14:29 | wizzyrea | I sincerely hope that I'm dreaming that you said that |
| 14:30 | gmcharlt | oops -- I meant to tease you, not give you nightmares |
| 14:31 | wizzyrea | hehehe |
| 14:34 | jcamins | Okay, updated the document to note that it's CC-BY-SA. |
| 14:34 | drojf | gmcharlt: thanks! (for answering, not for making me do things in Search.pm :P) |
| 14:34 | jcamins | kf: ^^ that was for you |
| 14:35 | gmcharlt | drojf: if you squint and look only at the search history bits, you can pretend that the rest of it doesn't exist ;) |
| 14:35 | drojf | gmcharlt: lol i will try that :D |
| 14:36 | kf | gmcharlt++ # good advice |
| 14:36 | druthb | gmcharlt++ |
| 14:38 | kf | bye all :) |
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| 14:57 | jcamins | @later tell cait One thing about the screenshots: I had bug 8884 applied when I took them. |
| 14:57 | huginn` | jcamins: The operation succeeded. |
| 14:59 | Joubu | drojf: I didn't follow the discussion, but it is funny, I created a C4::Search::History package (Why not in the Koha namespace... I don't know!) in one of our development last week (branch paris-sud/ft/MT11473 from the biblibre repo). Just in case... |
| 14:59 | The customer did not validate it at the moment, so I cannot submit it on Bugzilla | |
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| 15:30 | reiveune | bye |
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| 15:31 | * wizzyrea | waves to oleonard, since he's probably around |
| 15:32 | wizzyrea | i always always miss him by like 10 minutes in the morning |
| 15:33 | jcamins | He is not. |
| 15:33 | wizzyrea | the one time I'm up! |
| 15:33 | :) | |
| 15:36 | jcamins | wizzyrea: why _are_ you up at this hour? |
| 15:36 | smeagol | Hi all, I'm having a little problem running php scripts from the opac browser. The will run at the command line, but not the browser. Do you have to make an edit to koha-httpd.conf, or something? thanks. |
| 15:37 | jcamins | smeagol: Koha is written in Perl. |
| 15:37 | Why are you trying to run PHP scripts? | |
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| 15:39 | jcamins_ | Am I onlinestill? |
| 15:39 | wizzyrea | yarp |
| 15:40 | jcamins | Thanks. |
| 15:41 | smeagol | jcamins: I know it's written in perl, i'm just writing some scripts that pull data from mysql tables and format in php for booklists, and such.. |
| 15:41 | jcamins | Okay, so this is a script unrelated to Koha. |
| 15:41 | I have no idea how to configure Apache to run PHP scripts on the same virtual host. | |
| 15:42 | smeagol | Yeah, that's what I need to do, I guess. |
| 15:42 | jcamins | I always thoguht that was automatic. |
| 15:42 | wizzyrea | well you do have to have php installed on your serer |
| 15:42 | server* | |
| 15:42 | jcamins | wizzyrea: good call. |
| 15:42 | wizzyrea | when you install, if you choose "LAMP" it is automagic |
| 15:43 | otherwise just look up "install a lamp stack" | |
| 15:43 | and it will tell you what to install and how to config apache | |
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| 15:44 | jvr | Hi, need help again |
| 15:44 | how do I render text box in 3.8 or 3.10 for | |
| 15:44 | WHERE items.itemcallnumber BETWEEN <<Call number between>> AND <<and>> | |
| 15:45 | jcamins | manual? |
| 15:45 | wahanui | manual is at http://www.koha-community.org/documentation |
| 15:45 | jcamins | jvr: ^^ you should be able to find instructions for how to use reports in the manual |
| 15:46 | jvr | I not new in this business, but it just stop working correctly |
| 15:47 | following the manual no longer works correctly | |
| 15:47 | jcamins | Really? That's not good. |
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| 15:48 | jvr | I need a pipe for text box it was supose to be <<something>> |
| 15:48 | wizzyrea | that should work - it just doesn't show the text box? |
| 15:48 | pianohacker | does anyone have any strong feelings as far as comcast vs centurylink (qwest)? |
| 15:48 | jvr | but now it do not work if there is no pipe |
| 15:49 | jcamins | pianohacker: I think basically all ISPs are awful. |
| 15:49 | * wizzyrea | checks |
| 15:50 | pianohacker | jcamins: bleh, there's a truism if I've heard one |
| 15:50 | jcamins | Works for me. |
| 15:50 | wizzyrea | me too |
| 15:50 | what's your complete query? | |
| 15:51 | I tested with this: SELECT surname,firstname FROM borrowers WHERE branchcode=<<Enter patrons library|branches>> AND surname LIKE <<Enter filter FOR patron surname (% IF none)>> | |
| 15:51 | I got one drop down and one text box | |
| 15:51 | pianohacker | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrews_&_Arnold has good chance of non-awfulness, but only a chance :) |
| 15:52 | jcamins | XKCD/806 compliant. Heh. |
| 15:53 | pianohacker | after hours wasted on comcast tech support, wishing I could talk with someone who'd heard of the OSI layer cake, that's a beautiful idea |
| 15:53 | jvr | I just use your SQL |
| 15:53 | Enter filter FOR patron surname (% IF none): text | |
| 15:54 | this is the result no text box, just the word "text" | |
| 15:54 | pianohacker | jcamins: which awful do you use? |
| 15:54 | jcamins | pianohacker: we have Time Warner. |
| 15:54 | * jcamins | hates TW. |
| 15:54 | pianohacker | urgh, yeah, I've heard stories |
| 15:54 | jcamins | Unfortunately, Verizon has stated categorically that FIOS is not going to be available to our building for the foreseeable future. |
| 15:54 | wizzyrea | what browser? |
| 15:55 | pianohacker | the latest was the whole youtube-throttling thing, but nothing good |
| 15:55 | jvr | Chrome wizzyrea |
| 15:55 | pianohacker | jcamins: ouch, I'm sorry. it's in your area, though? |
| 15:55 | jcamins | And RCA stops offering service across the street. |
| 15:55 | jenkins_koha | Starting build #51 for job Koha_3.12.x (previous build: SUCCESS) |
| 15:56 | jcamins | pianohacker: Verizon keeps on sending out announcements that FIOS is in our area, but I'm not sure that it actually is. There seems to be a dearth of people who actually have it. |
| 15:56 | wizzyrea | not sure jvr, it works for me in 3.8, 3.10, 3.12, and master :/ |
| 15:56 | do you have chrome plugins installed that might interfere? | |
| 15:56 | pianohacker | jcamins: sorry to hear, that sounds irritating |
| 15:56 | * wizzyrea | can't imagine what that would be |
| 15:57 | wizzyrea | but it's very early, my imagination might be broken |
| 15:57 | jvr | wizzyrea try also Firefox with same result |
| 15:57 | jcamins | jvr: do you have some sort of customization? That's the only explanation I can think of, if you copied and pasted wizzyrea's exact query. |
| 15:58 | wizzyrea | yea, customised templates or un-updated translations could do that I suppose |
| 15:58 | are you using a translation? | |
| 15:59 | jvr | yes to portuguese it was gerundio o made it |
| 15:59 | wizzyrea | aha |
| 15:59 | for fun, if you can | |
| 15:59 | flip it to en and see if it works | |
| 16:00 | jcamins | wizzyrea: good call! |
| 16:02 | jvr | be back in a moment, can flip production to english, I will try in my developing server |
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| 16:02 | wizzyrea | if that works - you might consider rerunning the translation install |
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| 16:03 | jcamins | Yay! wizzyrea can get some sleep! |
| 16:03 | wizzyrea | woo! oleonard! |
| 16:03 | * oleonard | shakes wizzyrea awake again! |
| 16:03 | * wizzyrea | was musing about how she always missed oleonard these days |
| 16:03 | wizzyrea | by like, 15 minutes every morning |
| 16:05 | oleonard | Yup. That is a bummer. |
| 16:06 | jcamins | oleonard: is there any reason we couldn't add <div>s with ids around all the user-modifiable regions in the OPAC? |
| 16:06 | Also, hello. | |
| 16:06 | wizzyrea | they don't have them? |
| 16:06 | oleonard | They should have them, and we should add any missing ones. |
| 16:06 | jcamins | wizzyrea: one or two are missing. |
| 16:07 | Okay, so that's just a bug. | |
| 16:07 | I'll check which ones were missing ids, and report bugs. | |
| 16:08 | OpacNav, and OpacNavBottom. | |
| 16:10 | wizzyrea | clearly I need to go back to bed. I just considered "deep fried smores" |
| 16:10 | jcamins | wizzyrea: sounds very Scottish. |
| 16:10 | I need lunch. | |
| 16:11 | * oleonard | wonders what he was working on way back on Friday |
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| 16:15 | jvr | back again |
| 16:15 | it worksperfectly in en | |
| 16:16 | want are the steps I need to perform for the portuguese installation | |
| 16:16 | what are the steps sorry | |
| 16:16 | jcamins | You'll need to update the translation. I don't know the exact commands, but basically you just do exactly what you did to install the Portuguese translation in the first place. |
| 16:16 | * jvr | slaps wizzyrea around a bit with a large fishbot |
| 16:17 | jcamins | The command is something like: ./translate install pt-PT |
| 16:17 | But that depends on how you installed Koha, and other things I'm not sure of. | |
| 16:17 | translations? | |
| 16:17 | wahanui | translations is http://translate.koha-community.org/ |
| 16:17 | jcamins | installing translations? |
| 16:17 | wahanui | installing translations is, like, http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]ANET_staff_client |
| 16:17 | jcamins | ^^ that page might help |
| 16:18 | wizzyrea | what he said |
| 16:19 | right and with that glorious victory, i'm going back to bed. | |
| 16:19 | jvr | i will tell 'gerundio' to reinstall the translation package |
| 16:20 | thank you all | |
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| 16:20 | wizzyrea | yw, laters peeps |
| 16:20 | oleonard | See ya wizzyrea |
| 16:34 | * druthb | just finished a presentation about the awesomeness of the #koha world. |
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| 16:37 | jenkins_koha | Project Koha_3.12.x build #51: SUCCESS in 42 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]b/Koha_3.12.x/51/ |
| 16:37 | * Owen Leonard: Bug 10218 - In OPAC XSLT search results, add class to 'online access' | |
| 16:37 | * Kyle M Hall: Bug 10262 - fine calculation at checkin not respecting CircControl | |
| 16:37 | * Galen Charlton: bug 10292: improve fallback logic for picking XSLT | |
| 16:37 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10218 minor, P5 - low, ---, mathieu.saby, ASSIGNED , In OPAC XSLT search results, add class to 'online access' |
| 16:37 | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10262 critical, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, Pushed to Stable , fine calculation at checkin not respecting CircControl | |
| 16:37 | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10292 normal, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Pushed to Stable , XSLT files always taken from 'prog' theme for English | |
| 16:44 | gaetan_B | bye |
| 16:48 | jcamins | oleonard: reported bug 10405. |
| 16:48 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10405 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , User-editable sections should have ids |
| 16:49 | jcamins | You don't have to patch it, I just thought you'd want to know that I'd reported it so that there was a record. |
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| 16:58 | oleonard | Yeah, jcamins isn't the boss of me! |
| 17:08 | * tcohen | heads to updating that translation install wiki page |
| 17:10 | oleonard | tcohen++ |
| 17:10 | Karma for anyone who [accurately] updates a wiki page! | |
| 17:11 | * oleonard | give tcohen benefit of the doubt on the accuracy point |
| 17:11 | pianohacker | is there a conversion rate? If I update 5 wiki pages inaccurately, do I get one karma? :) |
| 17:12 | oleonard | No! No karma for you! |
| 17:14 | pianohacker | awww |
| 17:17 | tcohen | I did a whole wiki page from scratch, that has to count! |
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| 17:20 | tcohen | jvr, are u using 3.12 packages? |
| 17:20 | jvr | only 3.8 and 3.10 |
| 17:21 | tcohen | because 3.12 ships the koha-translate command |
| 17:22 | jvr | i will still 3.12 very soon |
| 17:28 | oleonard | Either "Course reserves" is important enough to put on the staff client home page or it shouldn't be in the global "More" menu. |
| 17:29 | * oleonard | starts this argument again |
| 17:29 | oleonard | Or since it is related to circulation how about on the circulation home page? |
| 17:29 | tcohen | is 'onwards' used or does it sound sounds weird? |
| 17:29 | jcamins | It's not on the staff client home page? |
| 17:29 | tcohen: it depends on the context. | |
| 17:29 | tcohen | like in '3.12 onwards' |
| 17:30 | jcamins | "From 3.12 onward..." |
| 17:30 | tcohen | '3.12 or newer versions' maybe |
| 17:36 | oleonard | So you would vote to put course reserves on the staff client home page jcamins? |
| 17:37 | jcamins | Yes, absolutely. |
| 17:37 | oleonard | Why? |
| 17:38 | jcamins | Because universities have a full-time course reserves staff member. |
| 17:38 | Similar to acquisitions or cataloging. | |
| 17:38 | It's a central functionality of an ILS. | |
| 17:39 | BTW, if anyone ever wondered what it looked when you made the body tag's background color black in the Koha OPAC: http://screencast.com/t/SEShOXxPp1 | |
| 17:40 | oleonard | Lovely. |
| 17:40 | jcamins | oleonard: the reason that's interesting is that I changed the custom CSS using javascript. |
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| 17:51 | tcohen | should I leave 3.0.6 translation install instructions |
| 17:51 | jcamins | With a note that they're for 3.0.6 and therefore refer to no-longer-supported versions, yes. |
| 17:52 | tcohen | Packages installs (3.12 and newer versions) |
| 17:52 | Packages (pre-3.12 versions) | |
| 17:52 | Tarball/Git install (3.2 and newer versions) | |
| 17:53 | are those sections fine? | |
| 17:53 | jcamins | I think so, yes. |
| 18:03 | tcohen | jcamins, i'm refactoring the introduction |
| 18:04 | but I commited the rest of it if you could give it a fast check... | |
| 18:05 | installing translations? | |
| 18:05 | wahanui | installing translations is http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]ANET_staff_client |
| 18:08 | jcamins | That looks good to me. |
| 18:09 | tcohen | glad to hear :-D |
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| 18:10 | jcamins | Okay... |
| 18:10 | I thought I fixed the French PO files? | |
| 18:11 | Oh, that was on 3.12. | |
| 18:12 | German has the greatest words. | |
| 18:12 | "hinzuzufügen" | |
| 18:15 | oleonard | pianohacker: Did you ever find out anything more about Bug 10338? |
| 18:15 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10338 normal, P3, ---, oleonard, NEW , Search history can cause "Out of memory" errors |
| 18:15 | tcohen | jcamins, finished refactoring/breaking the intro :-P |
| 18:16 | pianohacker | oleonard: Urgh, no. Only the workaround, the cause of the bug itself remains a mystery |
| 18:17 | worse, running the exact thaw call that causes the error doesn't break when done from a perl -de 1 | |
| 18:18 | and there are no strict ulimits in place on the CGI | |
| 18:20 | jcamins | pianohacker: and you tried using something other than Storable, right? |
| 18:21 | pianohacker | jcamins: Haven't tried converting it to something different, just noticed the bug, went wtf, filed it and went on with my day |
| 18:22 | jcamins | I'm not sure what's going into it, but if the data structure is simple enough, JSON is an easy replacement. |
| 18:22 | pianohacker | is there anything else that can decode Storable objects? |
| 18:22 | jcamins | No, but there are lots of alternatives to Storable. |
| 18:22 | pianohacker | jcamins: I would love JSON. No idea why someone thought url-encoded binary serializations in a cookie were a great idea |
| 18:22 | jcamins | lol |
| 18:23 | pianohacker: https://github.com/pmakholm/be[…]rk-serialize-perl | |
| 18:24 | pianohacker | wow, I didn't think JSON would do that well |
| 18:24 | jcamins | Nor did I when I started researching it. |
| 18:25 | pianohacker | (or storable that poorly...) |
| 18:25 | jcamins | But it turns out that when caching things, a staggering amount of time is spent in storable. |
| 18:25 | pianohacker | caching as in the memcached stuff we do? |
| 18:25 | jcamins | Right. |
| 18:25 | Which is why we now use JSON::XS for caching if at all possible. | |
| 18:26 | pianohacker | sounds like a very good idea |
| 18:27 | mtj | hey jcamins, i have a little authorites Q for you... |
| 18:27 | jcamins | Oh? |
| 18:28 | mtj | if you import a bib into koha, must you always manually link to your koha's auth records? |
| 18:28 | jcamins | The answer to that is, definitely maybe. |
| 18:29 | The import procedure does not automatically link records. | |
| 18:29 | mtj | ok |
| 18:29 | jcamins | However, there is more than one way to link a bib to authorities, and depending how you define "manual," some of those methods might not qualify. |
| 18:30 | mtj | sure, running the link_bibs_to_authorities.pl script, would automate that... |
| 18:30 | jcamins | Right. |
| 18:30 | mtj | but thats the job of a sysadmin |
| 18:31 | tcohen | bye #koha |
| 18:31 | mtj | ciao tcohen :) |
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| 18:32 | mtj | i was wondering if some linking was attempted, for that single bib, on import |
| 18:33 | thanks for confirming :) | |
| 18:37 | it should be a pretty straight-forward feature to add | |
| 18:39 | jcamins | Yes. |
| 18:39 | mtj | i'll log a bug/feature for it |
| 18:41 | jcamins | Go for it. |
| 18:42 | huginn` | New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 10307 - z39.50 server search tab shows z390.50 <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]3965576af1e6ed9c8> |
| 18:44 | jcamins | oleonard: Does this seem mostly correct to you: http://cpbibliography.freshdes[…]omizing-your-opac ? |
| 18:45 | When I have time I'd like to send it as a patch for the manual, but time is something I don't have a lot of at the moment. | |
| 18:47 | oleonard | Looks good to me |
| 18:48 | jcamins | Thanks. |
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| 18:56 | jenkins_koha | Starting build #1216 for job Koha_master (previous build: FIXED) |
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| 19:12 | pastebot | "oleonard" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "Uh..." (5 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/44 |
| 19:13 | jcamins | Whoops! |
| 19:13 | * oleonard | will fix in another patch for Bug 2774 |
| 19:13 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=2774 normal, P3, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED , Path to theme is hard-coded in many places |
| 19:13 | jcamins | Clearly that should be "http://kohadev:8080/...approve.gif" |
| 19:14 | oleonard | :P |
| 19:14 | cait | i have to boot into windows fo the distance study... wish me luck |
| 19:15 | * oleonard | wonders if cait is studying "How to boot into Windows" |
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| 19:15 | cait | the course touches animation and they have decided that having us use the 30 day trial of flash is a good idea |
| 19:17 | oleonard | I hope they have a unit on hand-drawn cel animation too, since that format is almost completely obsolete too |
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| 19:18 | cait | eew |
| 19:22 | drojf | flash. hehe |
| 19:22 | i have heard of that | |
| 19:23 | always good to know that teaching is up to date | |
| 19:24 | pianohacker | fun fact I learned the other day; flash, which is up to 11.8, stopped being released for linux at version 11.2 |
| 19:24 | * pianohacker | is eagerly waiting for websites to start growling at him |
| 19:24 | cait | my android doesn't like it either :( |
| 19:25 | pianohacker | that actually made me happy, flash for android was always crappy |
| 19:25 | ... though it was a bit of a pain | |
| 19:25 | drojf | what do you need flash for? even youtube managed to get html5 video |
| 19:25 | jcamins | drojf: restaurants. |
| 19:25 | cait | drojf: there are flash animations in the chapters about flash animation in the course.. |
| 19:26 | drojf | flashception |
| 19:26 | lol | |
| 19:26 | jcamins | There's this trend of restaurants having horrible flash websites. |
| 19:26 | oleonard | The only reason to want Flash is in case http://homestarrunner.com ever gets updated. |
| 19:26 | drojf | jcamins: yeah with download-only pdf menus |
| 19:26 | jcamins | I use that as a way to choose which restaurants not to go to. |
| 19:27 | drojf | a reasonable way of selevtion |
| 19:27 | selection even | |
| 19:27 | pianohacker | drojf: well, youtube's html5 support is buggy and doesn't support about half their videos |
| 19:27 | I'd happily use it otherwise | |
| 19:29 | drojf | pianohacker: i know, but it supports more and more. at least that is my impression. disclaimer: i don#t like youtube, i am definitely no "browse youtube as an evening entertainment" person |
| 19:30 | cait | not? |
| 19:30 | wahanui | rumour has it not is maybe removed from my search |
| 19:30 | pianohacker | yeah, I'm eagerly awaiting the day when I can banish flash to a separate firefox profile that I load up once in a while for the occasional mindless flash game. for now, I watch enough shows and music on youtube that I have to keep the accursed thing |
| 19:32 | cait | using windows makes me grumpy |
| 19:32 | pianohacker | which windows? |
| 19:32 | cait | and i have only been using it for like... 10 mins? weirdly i use it at work and it's ok, but i hate it on the laptop |
| 19:33 | windows 7 | |
| 19:33 | wahanui | i guess windows 7 is starting to tick me off |
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| 19:34 | pianohacker | hah! |
| 19:34 | cait | hah?> |
| 19:36 | @wunder Konstanz | |
| 19:36 | huginn` | cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 16.0°C (9:35 PM CEST on June 04, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 62%. Dew Point: 9.0°C. Pressure: 30.04 in 1017 hPa (Steady). |
| 19:36 | pianohacker | just an apropos comment from the bot |
| 19:37 | drojf | cait: i use windows at work sometimes. it is ok as long as it is on "their" computers. it takes seconds to minutes to make me angry if i have to start the vm on my own computer |
| 19:37 | i think it's a "revier"-thing ;) | |
| 19:37 | cait | heh |
| 19:37 | that makes sense actually :) | |
| 19:38 | oleonard | If you can't create a new course for course reserves when there are no departments to choose from, why display the course reserves entry form at all? Just show an error message and direct the user to authorised values. |
| 19:38 | cait | bug>? |
| 19:38 | hm is course reserves pushed? | |
| 19:39 | oleonard | Yes, looking at it now for the first time. |
| 19:39 | cait | i am way behind on my bug mails because of the flash.... |
| 19:39 | oleonard: it sounds like a usability issue worth a bug | |
| 19:40 | oleonard | I guess we need a new bug component for course reserves. Who makes that happen? |
| 19:41 | gmcharlt | oleonard: one moment |
| 19:43 | oleonard: et voila | |
| 19:43 | oleonard | Awesome, thanks gmcharlt |
| 19:43 | drojf | gmcharlt: are you the happening-maker of bug components? i still think we should have something for the livedvd. i'm not sure if the person in charge would look at it though |
| 19:43 | jcamins | drojf: I'm going to go with "they would not." |
| 19:44 | Is there any way to make Perl always print out the complete call stack when it dies? | |
| 19:44 | drojf | jcamins: maybe making that an obligation for future live-disk managers would make sense? |
| 19:45 | gmcharlt | drojf: IMO, that component should exist only if somebody has explicitly stated that they will look over such bugs |
| 19:45 | jcamins | drojf: sure, because people actually do what they're supposed to when elected. |
| 19:46 | drojf | jcamins: they might… |
| 19:46 | gmcharlt: i think you are right | |
| 19:47 | gmcharlt | and a general lesson, I think: no future project positions should get created without some indication of what that position does |
| 19:48 | cait | gmcharlt: very good rule |
| 19:48 | can someone add that as a quote? | |
| 19:49 | drojf | i really don't know… on the one hand, everyone that volunteers for whatever is someone who spends at least some of their time for community work… on the other hand, is that something that is always better than nobody working on that particular thing? we have something labelled "official" livedvd now that has no relation to the community besides ~3 anouncements to the list and one longish thread |
| 19:50 | jcamins | drojf: except when it's someone who doesn't actually volunteer any of their time for the community, of course. |
| 19:50 | tcohen | what's the problem? livecd non-functional or something? |
| 19:50 | jcamins | tcohen: nope, no problem. |
| 19:51 | I mean, beyond the usual "people think that the livecd is a viable option for production." | |
| 19:51 | tcohen | oh, *that* problem |
| 19:52 | our local koha community has come up with a nice .deb setup inside a DVD that can be installed on hte filesystem | |
| 19:52 | jcamins | Okay, this is absurd. |
| 19:52 | tcohen | it is based on mint or smth similar |
| 19:52 | jcamins | I have a script that prints things out to STDOUT and STDERR. |
| 19:52 | I want to capture all the output to a file. | |
| 19:52 | How do I do that? | |
| 19:53 | Short of replacing all the "prints" with "warns" | |
| 19:53 | tcohen | 2>&1 > file |
| 19:54 | jcamins | Drat. |
| 19:54 | That's what i had. | |
| 19:54 | It doesn't work. | |
| 19:54 | STDERR does not get redirected at all. | |
| 19:54 | tcohen | its a cron script? |
| 19:55 | i mean, is it run from a cron definition? | |
| 19:55 | jcamins | Nope. |
| 19:55 | pastebot | "jcamins" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "command" (1 line) at http://paste.koha-community.org/45 |
| 19:55 | pianohacker | This is just running a script from the command line? That's crazy. |
| 19:56 | jcamins | pianohacker: I know... so what am I doing wrong? |
| 19:57 | pianohacker | I have no idea, that's bizarre |
| 19:58 | jcamins | Well, there's more than one way to skin a cat. |
| 19:58 | * jcamins | replaces "say" with "warn". |
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| 20:00 | mtj | gmcharlt, i think some semi-regular #irc presence should be expected, for people that hold 'offical' positions |
| 20:02 | gmcharlt | mtj: meh -- I see where you're coming from, but I'd phrase it as folks are expected to be reachable, in particular by those who most use their work |
| 20:02 | but not necessarily IRC | |
| 20:03 | pastebot | "tcohen" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "Reproduced jcamins" (8 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/46 |
| 20:04 | jcamins | tcohen: oh, so say messes with STDOUT/STDERR? |
| 20:04 | mtj | gmcharlt, when i say 'semi-regular #irc presence' - i just mean a bot |
| 20:05 | tcohen | i think is warn |
| 20:05 | mtj | … i dont mean they are required to chat about the weather on #koha, for 30 mins per day |
| 20:06 | jcamins | warn? |
| 20:06 | I'm sure I've used warn in scripts and had redirect work. | |
| 20:06 | gmcharlt | mtj: from my POV IRC is useful but not necessary -- somebody could perform their responsibilities entirely via email and still be effective |
| 20:07 | more broadly, I think we should be careful about *over*-specifying expectations for official positions | |
| 20:07 | tcohen | this works as expected: perl test.pl 2> /dev/null |
| 20:07 | this too: perl test.pl 1> /dev/null | |
| 20:07 | this doesn't: perl test.pl 2>&1 > /dev/null | |
| 20:08 | gmcharlt | what about perl test.pl > /dev/null 2>&1 |
| 20:08 | that's the pattern I've always used | |
| 20:08 | mtj | gmcharlt, yes, i agree with both your points |
| 20:09 | tcohen | > /dev/null 2>&1 |
| 20:09 | heh | |
| 20:09 | i put it the wrong way, well spotted gmcharlt | |
| 20:09 | gmcharlt | hmm, where did tcohen go, I can't hear anything from him? ;) |
| 20:10 | tcohen | heh |
| 20:10 | jcamins | Why does the redirect go in that order? |
| 20:10 | Dyrcona | gmcharlt: You forgot | tee |
| 20:10 | jcamins: First you redirect standard output somewhere, then you redirect standard to a duplicate of standard output. | |
| 20:11 | ...standard error to a duplicate of.... | |
| 20:11 | jcamins | Dyrcona: but wouldn't you want to do it in the other order, so that your stderr goes into the same stdout that is going into the file? |
| 20:11 | tcohen | the problem is that &1 is a pointer |
| 20:11 | Dyrcona | jcamins: It dups stdout at the time it sees &1. At that point stdout would still be the console. |
| 20:12 | man dup | |
| 20:12 | jcamins | Ohhhh. |
| 20:12 | tcohen | that references STDOUT during evaluation |
| 20:12 | jcamins | Now I understand. |
| 20:12 | gmcharlt | Dyrcona++ # now I have fewer bit of cargo-cult |
| 20:13 | jenkins_koha | Project Koha_master build #1216: SUCCESS in 1 hr 17 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]Koha_master/1216/ |
| 20:13 | Owen Leonard: Bug 10307 - z39.50 server search tab shows z390.50 | |
| 20:13 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10307 trivial, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , z39.50 server search tab shows z390.50 |
| 20:14 | pianohacker | ^ why writing shells is harder than it first appears |
| 20:14 | dup2 is deep, picky magic | |
| 20:15 | tcohen | shells where designed by hackers |
| 20:15 | not computer scientists with good semantics background :-P | |
| 20:16 | jcamins | Right, in hindsight I realize that running the dedup script on a file containing 213k authorities wasn't the best idea. |
| 20:17 | tcohen | I should have restored the stdout/stderr redirection before starting a flame war |
| 20:18 | pianohacker | tcohen: I think that statement applies to the entire POSIX API, not just shells |
| 20:18 | jcamins | It takes ages and ages and ages to get to the end so that you can run it again. |
| 20:18 | pianohacker | it all fits together, but the semantics are funky |
| 20:19 | tcohen | heh, it is physicist's fault, that's for sure |
| 20:20 | * tcohen | hopes dijkstra is not reading this somewhere |
| 20:22 | tcohen | (or Reynolds heh) |
| 20:24 | cait | wow |
| 20:24 | starting flash takes forever | |
| 20:29 | oleonard | See you later #koha |
| 20:32 | cait | hi druthb |
| 20:32 | druthb | Hi, cait! :) |
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| 21:04 | jcamins | Time to pick up the CSA! |
| 21:04 | :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D | |
| 21:10 | pianohacker | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CSA ? Canadian Space Agency? Cartan Subalgebra? |
| 21:11 | jcamins | Community-Supported Agriculture. |
| 21:11 | Back in forty. | |
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| 21:39 | jcamins | Twenty-eight, actually, apparently. |
| 21:42 | cait | did you get everything? |
| 21:42 | jcamins | Yup. |
| 21:42 | Mixed lettuce, romaine, bok choy, red kale, salad turnips, and arugula! | |
| 21:42 | :D | |
| 21:50 | wizzyrea++ # great article on getting user feedback | |
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| 21:52 | wizzyrea | oh yea that was fantastic eh |
| 21:53 | I'd like to see us doing more of that | |
| 21:53 | jcamins | So so so good. |
| 21:53 | * jcamins | is totally doing guerilla usability testing at the next library conference he goes to. |
| 21:54 | jcamins | "I'll buy your latte if you tell me what you think of this iPad app." |
| 21:54 | cait | hm? |
| 21:54 | jcamins | cait: http://programming.oreilly.com[…]h-tiny-tests.html |
| 21:55 | cait | thx will take a look later |
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| 22:29 | eythian | hi |
| 22:31 | wahanui: refactoring is <reply>http://devopsreactions.tumblr.[…]his-piece-of-code | |
| 22:31 | wahanui | ...but refactoring is not rewriting it is abstracting.... |
| 22:31 | eythian | wahanui: refactoring is also <reply>http://devopsreactions.tumblr.[…]his-piece-of-code |
| 22:31 | wahanui | okay, eythian. |
| 22:33 | wizzyrea | \o/ |
| 22:33 | jcamins | lol |
| 22:33 | trea | lol |
| 22:33 | wizzyrea | refactoring? |
| 22:33 | wahanui | somebody said refactoring was not rewriting it is abstracting. |
| 22:33 | wizzyrea | refactoring? |
| 22:33 | wahanui | http://devopsreactions.tumblr.[…]his-piece-of-code |
| 22:33 | wizzyrea | ^ greatest tumblr ever |
| 22:33 | trea | so satisfying |
| 22:34 | * wizzyrea | is old, doesn't understand tumblr. |
| 22:35 | wizzyrea | probably also apt for koha: http://devopsreactions.tumblr.[…]-coding-standards |
| 22:43 | pianohacker | wait, we have coding standards? shoot |
| 22:45 | cait | coding guidelines? |
| 22:45 | wahanui | coding guidelines are http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]Coding_Guidelines |
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| 22:51 | mtj | hi peeps, ive got a general git/patch question for the borg... |
| 22:52 | pianohacker | shoot |
| 22:52 | eythian | ask? |
| 22:52 | wahanui | Don't ask to ask, just ask. |
| 22:52 | mtj | sorry, crafting my Q... |
| 22:53 | can anyone explain what happens, when you attempt to apply a patch and it fails... but you dont get an expected file(s) with any merge-markers? | |
| 22:54 | pianohacker | mtj: Only certain kinds of patch application will give you the merge markers |
| 22:54 | are you using git aplly? | |
| 22:54 | *apply? | |
| 22:55 | mtj | hmm, im using 'git bz apply' and 'git am ./myfile.patch' |
| 22:55 | eythian | mtj: in those cases, I usually take the patch file and apply it with a 3-way merge, it's more likely to give merge markers. |
| 22:55 | pianohacker | yup. add the -3 option to am to do that |
| 22:55 | mtj | i have a recent example, bug 10096 |
| 22:55 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10096 new feature, P5 - low, ---, dcook, Patch doesn't apply , Add a Z39.50 interface for authority searching |
| 22:56 | mtj | hmm, i'm actually using 'git am -iu3 ./myfile.patch' |
| 22:56 | eythian | if it's a patch on top of a private branch, or expects another patch you don't have, then 3-way won't work. |
| 22:59 | mtj | ok, i guess thats whats going on here - dcook has missed a patch in his series |
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| 22:59 | mtj | "fatal: sha1 information is lacking or useless (koha-tmpl/intranet-tmpl/prog/en/modules/cataloguing/z3950_auth_search.tt). |
| 22:59 | Repository lacks necessary blobs to fall back on 3-way merge. | |
| 22:59 | Cannot fall back to three-way merge." | |
| 23:00 | ive never quite known what caused that scary error | |
| 23:00 | wizzyrea | git fetch? |
| 23:00 | then try? | |
| 23:00 | mtj | wiz, i did it on a fresh clone |
| 23:02 | wizzyrea | that probalby has to do with how he did the followup |
| 23:02 | mtj | so yeah, ive checked all the obvious stuff |
| 23:03 | cjh | @marc 942 k |
| 23:03 | huginn` | cjh: unknown field/subfield combination (942/k) |
| 23:04 | cjh | @marc 942 o |
| 23:04 | huginn` | cjh: unknown field/subfield combination (942/o) |
| 23:04 | wizzyrea | i am not a git expert, but when I've had problems like that (in between followups) it's because I did something like (i think!) rebase in between attaching patches when master had moved |
| 23:04 | but that could be wrong | |
| 23:05 | mtj | wizzyrea, yeah its a weird one… eyeballing the second patch, there doesnt seem to be too much wrong with it?! |
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| 23:06 | eythian | @marc 952 o |
| 23:06 | huginn` | eythian: unknown field/subfield combination (952/o) |
| 23:07 | wizzyrea | not sure, the error has to do with git being unable to match the previous commit hashes to what is existent on your repo, which suggests rebase trickery to me |
| 23:07 | i.e. probably not your issue | |
| 23:07 | but the patch's | |
| 23:08 | < not a git expert, really, that could all be nonsense. | |
| 23:08 | eythian | or that when it was written it wasn't actually written against master |
| 23:08 | wizzyrea | ^ |
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| 23:15 | mtj | thanks, thats all good info :) |
| 23:17 | fyi, i edited the 2nd patch slightly, and got it to apply (with a merge error) | |
| 23:17 | so ill fix that, then upload it | |
| 23:18 | i removed the troublesome diff block, for the 'z3950_auth_search.tt' file | |
| 23:19 | wizzyrea | dcook should be around soon |
| 23:20 | mtj | …from the patch, then re-ran 'git-am -3 ' |
| 23:20 | yeah, he should :) | |
| 23:21 | anyhoo, i learnt something there... :D | |
| 23:35 | pianohacker | good night |
| 23:35 | wahanui | If you feel like someone is looking through your window, it's OK, it's just me. |
| 23:50 | trea | hey #koha, anyone know of a simple way to determine if a file is encoded in marc-8 vs. utf-8? |
| 23:51 | jcamins | trea: look for the most common MARC-8 codepoints? |
| 23:51 | trea | which are? |
| 23:52 | eythian | jcamins: do you mean outside of looking at the header? |
| 23:52 | err | |
| 23:52 | trea ^ | |
| 23:52 | jcamins | eythian: that doesn't work at all. |
| 23:52 | 99% of the time it's wrong. | |
| 23:52 | \xE8{something} I think. | |
| 23:52 | eythian | jcamins: maybe he's in some happy-go-lucky fantasy land where they're all right? You don't know until you ask! |
| 23:52 | jcamins | lol |
| 23:52 | trea | lol |
| 23:52 | * trea | doubts it. |
| 23:52 | cjh | trea: flipping a coin should get it right every now and then... |
| 23:53 | wizzyrea | is there a reference? |
| 23:53 | * trea | searches for his wooden nickel. |
| 23:53 | ibeardslee | double headed? |
| 23:54 | trea | ^ |
| 23:54 | eythian | http://paste.wgtn.cat-it.co.nz/3ef8ca <-- trea, this is what I use to convert strings to UTF-8. It's not perfect, but usually good enough (it also does one or two other fixups) |
| 23:54 | jcamins | There's probably something on LC's site. |
| 23:54 | trea | strange. that URL doesn't resolve |
| 23:55 | eythian | do |
| 23:55 | doh | |
| 23:55 | cjh | lol |
| 23:55 | eythian | wrong pastebin |
| 23:55 | jcamins | That URL doesn't resolve. |
| 23:55 | cjh | trea: if you bring your laptop to catalyst it may |
| 23:55 | trea | ha |
| 23:55 | wizzyrea | hm probably not actually :P |
| 23:55 | trea | not on the guest wireless |
| 23:55 | cjh | yeah, I dont think it is on the wireless |
| 23:55 | wizzyrea | he's on the wireless :P |
| 23:55 | pastebot | "eythian" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "try this one..." (25 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/48 |
| 23:55 | cjh | trea: if you walk here you can look over wizzyrea's shoulder :) |
| 23:55 | wizzyrea | ooh la la |
| 23:56 | * trea | is surprised you're not using MARC::Charset to do this. |
| 23:56 | eythian | I am |
| 23:56 | trea | gah |
| 23:56 | eythian | marc8_to_utf8 is a function in that |
| 23:56 | trea | reading fail |
| 23:58 | that would certainly handle a conversion, which through inference would solve the problem | |
| 23:58 | but i guess the answer is, there isn't an easy way to tell. | |
| 23:59 | eythian | yeah, I just force everything to UTF-8 I can because MARC-8 needs to go away. |
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