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| Time | Nick | Message |
|---|---|---|
| 00:06 | eythian | jcamins: if debugging is the process of removing bugs, clearly programming is the process of putting them in. |
| 00:06 | wizzyrea | @quote add eythian: if debugging is the process of removing bugs, clearly programming is the process of putting them in. |
| 00:06 | daw no huginn. | |
| 00:06 | wrong and irritating | |
| 00:09 | dcook | Where is our thought bot today? |
| 00:11 | wizzyrea | gone awee |
| 00:11 | ping gmcharlt | |
| 00:11 | we miss huginn please :) | |
| 00:11 | i can't even @later him! | |
| 00:11 | *sob* | |
| 00:12 | dcook | Poor wizz :( |
| 00:13 | Chocolate? | |
| 00:13 | wahanui | reiveune ate them all |
| 00:13 | dcook | That is a problem.. |
| 00:37 | Jurgens joined #koha | |
| 00:39 | Jurgens | Hi all. Can someone please give me some advice as to why my advanced messaging isn't working anymore - nothing has changed and has worked in the past months. I use this code in a terminal: sudo koha-foreach --enabled --email /usr/share/koha/bin/cronjobs/advance_notices.pl -itemscontent title,author,barcode -c |
| 00:40 | About 5 or so messages was sent when I used it but no more go - there should be about 60 going out I believe. I use koha 3.12 | |
| 01:00 | wizzyrea | maybe because there isn't an = between itemscontent and title? |
| 01:00 | and you may need two dashes before itemscontent | |
| 01:01 | sudo koha-foreach --enabled --email /usr/share/koha/bin/cronjobs/advance_notices.pl --itemscontent=title,author,barcode -c | |
| 01:01 | jurgens ^ | |
| 01:08 | Jurgens | Thanks Wizzy, I tried your command, but still nothing. |
| 01:10 | wizzyrea | do you have email enabled? |
| 01:11 | if you do a koha-list --email is your instance listed? | |
| 01:11 | one thing that got me - was I did a koha-disable <instance>, then a koha-enable <instance> | |
| 01:11 | but email didn't come back | |
| 01:11 | (by design) | |
| 01:11 | so you have to koha-email-enable <instance> to make that go again | |
| 01:12 | eythian | wizzyrea: actually, email will come back if you do that |
| 01:12 | however if a failure deletes /var, email won't come back after that :) | |
| 01:12 | wizzyrea | oh right that was a different thing |
| 01:12 | anyway, make sure it's enabled :P | |
| 01:14 | Jurgens | Yes, its enalbed. I'm sending overdue messages just fine. |
| 01:14 | I am also making sure I'm running the process message queue as well. | |
| 01:14 | wahanui | okay, Jurgens. |
| 01:15 | wizzyrea | do you actually have things coming due/advanced due? dates are correct and such? |
| 01:17 | Jurgens | Yeah, I have about 600 or so items due on Saturday, so I'm trying to send an advanced digest email. I've done this for the past two months with no issues. But now its like these messages are just ignored. On my mail client, it lists all the emails sent - so I can see if it was sent or not, the overdues are sent, but not the advanced ones. |
| 01:18 | By default all patrons have a 7 day digest email for advanced notices - is there an arguement I can use in the terminal to maybe change the day? Perhaps make it 5 or 4 days just to test. | |
| 01:19 | wizzyrea | not that I'm aware of no. |
| 01:22 | do you have the messages generated in the message queue? | |
| 01:22 | are they actually there? | |
| 01:22 | dac joined #koha | |
| 01:23 | Jurgens | In my mailq there is nothing. |
| 01:24 | wizzyrea | not the mail queue - the table message_queue in the koha database |
| 01:25 | jenkins_koha | Starting build #124 for job Koha_3.10.x (previous build: SUCCESS) |
| 01:26 | wizzyrea | ok, do all of the patrons *actually* have a 7 day digest for advanced notices, or did you set that in the patron categories and not apply it to the borrowers |
| 01:27 | because if you didn't apply the defaults to existing borrowers, only new borrowers will have the defaults. | |
| 01:28 | Jurgens | no messages in message queue. and yes all patrons have been set and updated to 7 day default using terminal. |
| 01:29 | wizzyrea | don't know then, I haven't heard of this problem sorry |
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| 02:06 | jenkins_koha | Project Koha_3.10.x build #124: SUCCESS in 41 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]/Koha_3.10.x/124/ |
| 02:06 | * Mathieu Saby: Bug 10186: Fix a typo in subscription-add.tt : 2/years should be 2/year | |
| 02:06 | * Mathieu Saby: Bug 10191: Close 2 option tags in unimarc_field_115a.tt and unimarc_field_116.tt | |
| 02:07 | Starting build #125 for job Koha_3.10.x (previous build: SUCCESS) | |
| 02:31 | dcook joined #koha | |
| 02:52 | jenkins_koha | Project Koha_3.10.x build #125: SUCCESS in 44 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]/Koha_3.10.x/125/ |
| 02:52 | Bernardo Gonzalez Kriegel: Bug 10178 - Typos in plugins for 006 and 008 in MARC21 | |
| 02:53 | jcamins | I was trying to show Shari examples of "discovery interfaces." |
| 02:53 | And how they were trying to do some of what Biblionarrator does, and not succeeding. | |
| 02:53 | * dcook | is intrigued |
| 02:53 | jcamins | You know what? It turns out most of them just gave up entirely. |
| 02:53 | wizzyrea | and you found one that works? oh. guess not. |
| 02:53 | jcamins | Making authority data useful? |
| 02:53 | Bwahahahahaha | |
| 02:53 | ^^ sorry, but that's clearly nuts | |
| 02:54 | wizzyrea | clearly |
| 02:54 | jcamins | http://yufind.library.yale.edu[…]am%2C%201564-1616. <-- the best it gets |
| 02:54 | wizzyrea | vufind :) |
| 02:54 | naturally. | |
| 02:56 | jcamins | I'd heard that Blacklight is better, but... |
| 02:56 | There is certainly no evidence of that. | |
| 02:56 | wizzyrea | blacklight has to be configured and stuff |
| 02:57 | to be good. | |
| 02:57 | discovery layers aren't really for adding value | |
| 02:57 | they are for finding things across many sources | |
| 02:57 | jcamins | Sure, if you offer some sort of federated search. |
| 02:58 | If you don't offer federated search, but call it an "improved discovery experience," I expect to see improvement. | |
| 02:58 | * wizzyrea | has never seen one that didn't have to do with a library wanting a zillion different sources of records pulled together into one interfacve |
| 02:58 | jcamins | Really? |
| 02:58 | wahanui | Really is off now |
| 02:58 | wizzyrea | and having them show up in one result set. But that's kind of the problem with a term like "discovery layer" |
| 02:58 | jcamins | One moment. |
| 02:59 | wizzyrea | it's highly dependent on your definition of discovery. |
| 02:59 | it's not a real term, it's a marketing term | |
| 02:59 | jcamins | I know. |
| 02:59 | wizzyrea | and an irritating one, at that. |
| 02:59 | eythian | just start calling them "invisibility cloaks" then |
| 02:59 | wizzyrea | ^ |
| 02:59 | eythian | it's kinda the opposite thing... |
| 03:00 | jcamins | I'm actually not interested in discovery layers per se, but at least in principle some of them offer the possibility of making use of authority records, etc. |
| 03:00 | wizzyrea | ...you're kind of proving my thesis here. |
| 03:00 | jcamins | Which is that discovery layers are all crap? |
| 03:00 | I think that's derivative from my thesis that discovery layers are all crap. :P | |
| 03:01 | dcook | I think that's the dominate opinion |
| 03:01 | wizzyrea | no, that this discovery layer thing doesn't have anything to do with discovering anything about materials except "where to get it" |
| 03:01 | * dcook | would love to see authority records used to their potential. |
| 03:01 | jcamins | dcook: there does seem to be a remarkable lack of people finding value in discovery layers, doesn't there? |
| 03:01 | dcook | I was doing a course on taxonomies and I was rather sad at how the taxonomy that authorities represent is woefully underused |
| 03:02 | wizzyrea | and yet - we encourage user taxonomies in the form of tags |
| 03:03 | dcook | wizzyrea: What would you like to see in terms of discovery? |
| 03:03 | As for user taxonomies...I really wish I remembered the readings I did about them last year :p. While I think they can be useful to a degree, I'm not sure how useful they actually are | |
| 03:04 | wizzyrea | the sorts of things like amazon does - people who read this author also read this other author/subject |
| 03:04 | dcook | Well, depending...some websites do it well, but I'm not sure about libraries |
| 03:04 | wizzyrea | a cataloger thinks this subject is related |
| 03:04 | you might too | |
| 03:04 | sort of thing | |
| 03:04 | koha does quite a few of those things | |
| 03:04 | now if it could do it across several sources | |
| 03:04 | we'd be golden. | |
| 03:04 | dcook | Mmm, that could be nice |
| 03:04 | jcamins | Once we jettisoned MARC. |
| 03:04 | dcook | Several sources? |
| 03:05 | wizzyrea | ebsco, gale |
| 03:05 | for instance | |
| 03:05 | articles | |
| 03:05 | ebook suppliers | |
| 03:05 | overdrive | |
| 03:05 | wahanui | overdrive is, like, going to expire that book |
| 03:05 | wizzyrea | forget overdrive |
| 03:05 | wahanui | wizzyrea: I forgot overdrive |
| 03:05 | dcook | I haven't looked into that too much at this point, but I think that gets tougher |
| 03:05 | wizzyrea | i wish I could forget overdrive |
| 03:05 | overdrive is evil. | |
| 03:05 | overdrive? | |
| 03:05 | wahanui | hmmm... overdrive is evil. |
| 03:05 | wizzyrea | there, that seems right. |
| 03:06 | dcook | Well put, wahanui |
| 03:06 | wahanui | dcook: excuse me? |
| 03:06 | * dcook | scowls |
| 03:06 | wizzyrea | well all of that more or less depends on good, linkable metadata eh? |
| 03:06 | dcook | I think access to the metadata becomes an issue |
| 03:06 | Mmm yeah | |
| 03:06 | I'm not sure how keen publishers are on that either | |
| 03:07 | wizzyrea | i think if they want people to find their stuff, they should be super keen. |
| 03:07 | dcook | When I worked in law, it seemed like every publisher was extremely reluctant to give you any data |
| 03:07 | It was "use our portal or nothing!" | |
| 03:07 | wizzyrea | otherwise... how will people find it |
| 03:07 | oh god the law databases are EEEEVIL. | |
| 03:07 | dcook | Depends on the publisher |
| 03:07 | In some cases, they know they have the market share | |
| 03:07 | wizzyrea | law in general. |
| 03:07 | dcook | hehe |
| 03:07 | I quite liked law :p | |
| 03:07 | wizzyrea | especially - oh what's the one... jjj something |
| 03:07 | dcook | I thought about doing my JD/LLB |
| 03:07 | wizzyrea | jstor? |
| 03:08 | dcook | j? |
| 03:08 | wizzyrea | Lexis Nexis! that does not begin with a J |
| 03:08 | dcook | That might be more America specific |
| 03:08 | Mmm | |
| 03:08 | wizzyrea | but that. |
| 03:08 | yes, it's probably americacentric | |
| 03:08 | dcook | Yeah, LexisNexis was a bit... |
| 03:08 | jcamins | lol No, no 'j'. |
| 03:08 | dcook | Their Halsbury's database wasn't too bad |
| 03:08 | Quicklaw | |
| 03:08 | Quicklaw was all right | |
| 03:08 | * jcamins | calls it a night. |
| 03:08 | jcamins | Good night, #koha. |
| 03:08 | dcook | night, jcamins! |
| 03:08 | eythian | but it's not |
| 03:08 | wizzyrea | later :0 |
| 03:09 | eythian | it's the afternoon |
| 03:09 | dcook | Wait...yeah! |
| 03:09 | eythian | you can't call the afternoon a night, weirdo |
| 03:09 | dcook | It's only 1pm! |
| 03:09 | wizzyrea | a very cold night. |
| 03:09 | afternoon. | |
| 03:09 | dcook | The thing was though...if Quicklaw and Westlaw had solid APIs, it would be so much easier to access their content |
| 03:10 | wizzyrea | ebsco is supposed to be doing an open API? |
| 03:10 | because they were getting sued by someone... | |
| 03:10 | Ex Libris, I think. | |
| 03:10 | dcook | I'm intrigued |
| 03:10 | wizzyrea | dunno, we have peeps at a meeting about it. |
| 03:10 | <watch this space> | |
| 03:10 | dcook | No doubt. That would be great |
| 03:11 | Much better than periodic MARC dumps | |
| 03:11 | wizzyrea | *nod* |
| 03:11 | I do like about getit.library.nyu.edu is the "send/share" area | |
| 03:11 | koha should put it that way | |
| 03:11 | i don't mean the function, koha does that. | |
| 03:11 | i mean the terminology | |
| 03:12 | it's not "export" | |
| 03:12 | or "download" | |
| 03:12 | dcook | Hmm, not sure I'm seeing that on the website |
| 03:12 | But I get your point | |
| 03:12 | Terminology definitely matters | |
| 03:12 | wizzyrea | https://getit.library.nyu.edu/go/7674801 |
| 03:13 | on the right | |
| 03:13 | and LOOK at that minimal display. | |
| 03:13 | no physical description - nobody gives a crap about that but cataloguers | |
| 03:14 | dcook | Hmm |
| 03:15 | wizzyrea | https://github.com/team-umlaut/umlaut |
| 03:15 | dcook | Yeah, I just opened that up |
| 03:15 | I keep meaning to look at Ruby... | |
| 03:15 | Looks like it's especially made for Primo though? | |
| 03:15 | Or maybe just has a Primo add-on.. | |
| 03:15 | wizzyrea | blacklight is ruby also |
| 03:16 | dcook | Vufind is PHP? |
| 03:16 | wizzyrea | yea |
| 03:16 | dcook | I already know PHP so I might end up looking at that first, but good to know.. |
| 03:17 | eythian | keep in mind that PHP causes brain damage if taken in more than miniscule doses. |
| 03:17 | dcook | When it comes to the display...it would be nice if libraries were able to handle more of their own config |
| 03:17 | eythian | It's pretty much a gateway to PCP and meth and stuff. |
| 03:17 | wizzyrea | this NYU interface has some stupidities. |
| 03:17 | dcook | Librarians do care about physical description, but there should be an easy way of defining a public interface with just the essentials |
| 03:17 | wizzyrea | we have librarians mucking about with xslt |
| 03:17 | dcook | Right, but that's not so easy |
| 03:17 | wizzyrea | unfortunately they put in MORE not LESS |
| 03:17 | dcook | Mmm, I could see that |
| 03:18 | That's the trend here as well | |
| 03:18 | wizzyrea | see ALL THE THINGS |
| 03:18 | dcook | I think library schools need a few more "user experience" courses... |
| 03:18 | eythian: :p | |
| 03:18 | I suppose I'm torn between wanting to give librarians nice UIs and making them get their hands dirty | |
| 03:18 | As a librarian, I like getting my hands dirty | |
| 03:18 | But I know many who don't.. | |
| 03:19 | Mind you, perhaps they need to get with the times if they are going to keep the profession relevant | |
| 03:19 | I wonder what users really want though... | |
| 03:19 | I mean...I'm a library user | |
| 03:19 | Err...I used to be | |
| 03:19 | What did I want? | |
| 03:20 | wizzyrea | to find the thing |
| 03:20 | dcook | Usually a known quantity? |
| 03:20 | wizzyrea | maybe to find things like the thing. |
| 03:20 | dcook | Usually I look for books that I know I want |
| 03:20 | Maybe | |
| 03:20 | Or is that something better handled by a thing like Goodreads | |
| 03:20 | Too bad about the Amazon sale.. | |
| 03:20 | wizzyrea | I trust my local library to keep that data safer than a commercial entity. |
| 03:21 | dcook | Mmm, true that |
| 03:21 | wizzyrea | haha I just mistyped librains |
| 03:21 | dcook | Although like rangi was saying the other day, it would be nice to have a centralized repository |
| 03:21 | hehe | |
| 03:21 | wizzyrea | yes, extremely that |
| 03:21 | would love to figure out a way to fund that. | |
| 03:21 | dcook | I would love to store my reading lists and such on a Koha repo |
| 03:21 | Mmm, agreed | |
| 03:22 | As it is, I'm already juggling developing 3 different systems | |
| 03:22 | And I probably put in some of the least amount of time out of the active developers | |
| 03:22 | You know...just including work hours and a few after-work hours here and there | |
| 03:23 | I don't know where other people find the time | |
| 03:23 | (or money) | |
| 03:26 | Lovin' Libreoffice's command-line PDFing tools! | |
| 03:28 | wizzyrea | why is the intranet result xslt so... weird. |
| 03:28 | dcook | ? |
| 03:28 | wizzyrea | it's squashed |
| 03:35 | dcook | The display or the file? |
| 03:37 | wizzyrea | the display |
| 03:37 | wahanui | i think the display is even a little nicer with the CSS. |
| 03:38 | dcook | What he said? |
| 03:38 | wizzyrea | it only takes up about 2/3 of the space available to it? |
| 03:38 | width wise? | |
| 03:43 | dcook | Do you have a link? |
| 03:44 | eythian | alas, Koha doesn't support 774 for analytics. |
| 03:45 | dcook | *sadface* |
| 03:47 | eythian: While I know it's the fashion to bash PHP, what language(s) would you support? | |
| 03:48 | Also, recently I've been thinking about whitespace discrepancies that come up in Koha from time to time...would that be brutal for Python programs? | |
| 03:48 | eythian | dcook: it's not so much the fashion, it's just that it's actually an objectively bad language in almost all ways. |
| 03:48 | dcook: no, because in python programs those problems would be bugs, and so wouldn't (ideally) have got in there in the first place. | |
| 03:48 | dcook | Lots of things are objectively bad, but they're not necessarily invoked with as much passion as anti-PHP sentiments |
| 03:48 | Not that I'm defending it | |
| 03:48 | I just use it | |
| 03:49 | I'm pretty language agnostic | |
| 03:49 | eythian: Interesting. Seems like that would be a barrier to newbs though. | |
| 03:49 | eythian | why? |
| 03:50 | I mean, the whitespace is part of the syntax | |
| 03:50 | dcook | If they kept introducing bugs without knowing why |
| 03:50 | eythian | it's like saying that { } is a barrier |
| 03:50 | dcook | Except that different editors handle whitespace differently |
| 03:50 | Not so much with curly brackets | |
| 03:50 | eythian | dcook: not when doing python they don't |
| 03:50 | wizzyrea | popcorn? |
| 03:50 | wahanui | popcorn is a vital part of any work day. |
| 03:50 | wizzyrea | get the popcorn? |
| 03:50 | wahanui | http://i.imgur.com/p3cHE.gif |
| 03:50 | dcook | O_o |
| 03:50 | eythian | because if they did, they'd be a bad python editor :) |
| 03:51 | dcook | lol |
| 03:51 | wizzyrea | more popcorn? |
| 03:51 | dcook | But I repeat the question, what languages are you a fan of, eythian? |
| 03:52 | eythian | I'm mostly happy with Perl. I should properly learn Python one day. LISP is fun for what it's good for. Smalltalk is easy and it sucks it's not popular. |
| 03:52 | That's a very broad question really | |
| 03:53 | dcook | Hmm, that's true |
| 03:53 | I guess preferences become a bit irrelevant in some (if not many) cases anyway | |
| 03:54 | In the work context, I use whatever language I have to use to develop the system I'm being paid to develop | |
| 03:54 | At home, well, I don't have time for that at the moment.. | |
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| 05:26 | dac | Ahh, PDFing magic. I love when things work out. |
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| 05:42 | * dac | waves to cait |
| 05:43 | dac | Howdy |
| 05:49 | cait | hi dac |
| 05:49 | hi #koha | |
| 05:50 | dcook | That's better :) |
| 06:08 | cait | somehow i suspected it was you |
| 06:09 | dcook | I do seem to always be around when you arrive |
| 06:09 | Coincidence, I assure you | |
| 06:10 | cait | and i am supposed to believe that? |
| 06:10 | :) | |
| 06:12 | dcook | Yep ^_^ |
| 06:12 | Mostly because of the cute caret eyes | |
| 06:14 | cait | lol |
| 06:14 | i will consider it | |
| 06:14 | dcook | I hate when things don't work when you just want the thing to function, but they work perfectly when you're looking for edge cases that you know exist.. |
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| 06:22 | dcook | Daft punk is in the head and I can't get it ouuuuut |
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| 06:39 | drojf | good morning #koha |
| 06:40 | cait | good morning drojf :) |
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| 06:40 | drojf | hi cait |
| 06:41 | dcook | hey drojf |
| 06:41 | There was something I was going to say to you or ask you...but I can't remember what... | |
| 06:41 | alex_a_ | bonjour |
| 06:41 | wahanui | kai ora, alex_a_ |
| 06:41 | dcook | salut alex_a_ |
| 06:42 | drojf | hi dcook |
| 06:42 | alex_a | salut dcook |
| 06:42 | drojf | if it was important you will remember ;) |
| 06:42 | hi alex_a | |
| 06:42 | alex_a | hello drojf |
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| 06:44 | reiveune | hello |
| 06:44 | wahanui | hello, reiveune |
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| 06:46 | christophe_c | hello #koha |
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| 06:52 | mtj | oooh, interesting article on marc21 -> http://journal.code4lib.org/articles/5468 |
| 06:54 | "The MARC21 standard is represented only by an online text, something that is rather astonishing if you think about it. Anyone wishing to develop applications for MARC21 must create their own usable version. My own database still lacks definitions and descriptions, and those will probably need to be added by screen-scraping hundreds of screens from the LC web site." | |
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| 07:00 | asaurat | hi |
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| 07:08 | mtj | hiya adrien |
| 07:12 | dcook | drojf: Bollard! |
| 07:12 | * dcook | had to go look through his browser history |
| 07:13 | dcook | I had never heard of the word until you mentioned it |
| 07:13 | Then I was reading a book the next day and that word came up on the first page | |
| 07:13 | Thanks for expanding my vocabulary ^_^ | |
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| 07:19 | drojf | dcook: heh. i got another word for you: baader-meinhof phenomenon. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/[…]requency_illusion |
| 07:20 | dcook | rangi++ for explaining do-while loops to me ages ago |
| 07:20 | drojf: hehe | |
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| 07:21 | dcook | salut gaetan_B |
| 07:21 | gaetan_B | salut dcook :) ça va ? |
| 07:22 | dcook | ouais, assez bien, et toi? |
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| 07:42 | dcook | Eeep. Almost late for pizza. |
| 07:42 | Night all! | |
| 07:42 | wahanui | goodnight dcook. You'll be back. |
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| 07:43 | kf | good morning koha |
| 07:47 | sophie_m | hello #koha |
| 07:49 | kf | h sophie_m :) |
| 07:49 | sophie_m | hi kf :-) |
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| 08:32 | kf | @wunder Konstanz |
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| 08:42 | BobB | hi all |
| 08:43 | Is anyone about who is deeply familiar with self checkout? | |
| 09:10 | kf | hi BobB |
| 09:10 | do you mean the web based one or over sip? | |
| 09:10 | BobB | hi kf, the web based one |
| 09:10 | I can't see how to return an item? | |
| 09:11 | Borrow: tick, Renew: tick, Return: huh? | |
| 09:11 | kf | hm have you activated returns? |
| 09:11 | BobB | and the manual and help page do not document it, as far as I can see |
| 09:11 | kf | i think there is a separate switch to activate that |
| 09:12 | which version are you looking at? | |
| 09:12 | BobB | The sys pref? Yes. |
| 09:12 | 3.10 | |
| 09:12 | sorry, 3.10.4 | |
| 09:12 | kf | hm |
| 09:12 | our libraries are not using it | |
| 09:12 | BobB | That's what I said. |
| 09:12 | kf | but i am trying to come up with some ideas |
| 09:12 | BobB | :) |
| 09:13 | kf | let me take a look |
| 09:13 | ok, so AllowSelfCheckReturns is turned on? | |
| 09:14 | have you treid to turn it on and off again? (i had cases that helped to reset the database column to the right value) | |
| 09:17 | hm in my tests i can't check out anything | |
| 09:17 | BobB | I expected an extra button with that sys pref on, but don't see it. |
| 09:17 | Let me confirm. | |
| 09:18 | kf | BobB: you are right, there is no reutn button :( |
| 09:19 | BobB | yeah, I turned the sys pref off and on again, refreshed the page, and still no return facility. |
| 09:20 | Bug perhaps. | |
| 09:20 | kf | i tried both settingsnow |
| 09:20 | no change | |
| 09:20 | yeah | |
| 09:20 | i was going to look at the template to see where weshould see it | |
| 09:20 | BobB | cool, ok |
| 09:21 | kf | http://git.koha-community.org/[…]2aa34d606633#l152 |
| 09:21 | i think probably something with the if check is wrong | |
| 09:23 | BobB | interesting |
| 09:23 | wahanui | hmmm... interesting is sometimes good and sometimes bad |
| 09:23 | BobB | not so good this time wahanui :) |
| 09:24 | kf I think I'll open a bug? | |
| 09:24 | But I'll do it after dinner - fading quickly just now | |
| 09:25 | kf | hope it's something easy |
| 09:25 | <fieldset><legend> Check out[% IF ( AllowSelfCheckReturns ) %], return[% END %] or renew an item: </legend> < this shows rght for me saying return | |
| 09:26 | BobB | I'll open a bug and get mtj to look at it later. Thanks kf! |
| 09:26 | kf | ok :) |
| 09:27 | BobB | ok, some dinner now... |
| 09:27 | kf | enjoy your dinner |
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| 10:52 | jcamins | Seriously? Someone added "Koha LiveDVD support discussion" to the agenda for the meeting? |
| 10:55 | Fortunately the only reason I looked at the agenda was to add my apologies. | |
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| 11:15 | BobB | kf: back |
| 11:15 | http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10358 | |
| 11:17 | kf | BobB++ :) |
| 11:18 | BobB | Thanks kf |
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| 11:42 | samueld | hi everybody |
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| 12:25 | oleonard | Hi #koha |
| 12:25 | Did y'all get lots done without the Americans yesterday? | |
| 12:26 | jcamins | oleonard: yeah! I spent so much time working... |
| 12:26 | oleonard | We'll resume distracting you now jcamins |
| 12:27 | jcamins | As an aside, there's something profoundly depressing about trying to match a bad site design. |
| 12:28 | kf | hi oleonard :) |
| 12:28 | oleonard: i filed lots of bugs! | |
| 12:32 | jcamins | I need to make some breakfast. |
| 12:32 | * oleonard | will have some too, thanks jcamins |
| 12:32 | jcamins | I'm not quite sure what. |
| 12:33 | Here's a question... why isn't Facebook fully responsive? | |
| 12:34 | oleonard | Probably because they want to drive people to their mobile app which gives them more opportunities to slurp up personal data. |
| 12:34 | jcamins | Hmmm... fair enough. |
| 12:35 | oleonard | What site of that scale is responsive? |
| 12:36 | jcamins | None that I know of, but it seems like they should be. |
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| 12:58 | tcohen | morning #koha |
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| 13:02 | tcohen | does anyone remember where was some docs of the DBIx class work by libsysgt? |
| 13:04 | jcamins | tcohen: there wasn't any documentation. |
| 13:04 | tcohen | ok jcamins ! |
| 13:04 | and the work itself? | |
| 13:04 | jcamins | It's on a bug. |
| 13:04 | tcohen | is there a brnach somewherE? |
| 13:04 | oh, got it | |
| 13:04 | jcamins | @query dbix |
| 13:05 | Noooooooooooo!!!! huginn!!!!!!!!! | |
| 13:05 | druthb | lulz |
| 13:06 | tcohen | what should i aply it to jcamins ? master? |
| 13:07 | jcamins | Well, that's what it needs to be rebased against. |
| 13:07 | I don't know exactly where master was when it was written. | |
| 13:08 | tcohen | where those class files generated? |
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| 13:08 | tcohen | (I mean automatically) |
| 13:08 | jcamins | Yeah, instructions are on the bug, I imagine. |
| 13:08 | oleonard | huginn is sleeping off a Memorial Day weekend bender |
| 13:08 | jcamins | I mostly ignored the work, since it had no short-term impact. |
| 13:08 | tcohen | no rebase needed |
| 13:09 | kf | gmcharlt: can you wake up huginn please? :) |
| 13:10 | tcohen | hi kf |
| 13:10 | kf | hi tcohen :) |
| 13:13 | tcohen | bug 8309 |
| 13:14 | jcamins | tcohen: I think that one uses Moose, which is more problematic. |
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| 13:14 | tcohen | ok |
| 13:14 | jcamins | Baby steps. |
| 13:15 | kf | please no moose |
| 13:15 | we should use more marc | |
| 13:15 | wahanui | http://02varvara.files.wordpre[…]no-bear.jpg?w=800 |
| 13:15 | jcamins | Hmmm... |
| 13:16 | We need an image that combines that image with this one: http://www.quickmeme.com/Vindi[…]verlord/?upcoming | |
| 13:17 | :) | |
| 13:17 | druthb | lulz |
| 13:17 | I fear our m00shish overlords! | |
| 13:18 | tcohen | heh |
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| 13:19 | tcohen | i think Moose is not a problem itself, but running Koha as CGI is |
| 13:19 | jcamins | Right. |
| 13:20 | tcohen | of course if there's stuff like Moo or Mouse why use Moose |
| 13:20 | * druthb | knows a few of the folks who have contributed to Moose, including the current CPAN owner. Proof that good people sometimes have questionable ideas. |
| 13:21 | jcamins | Aww. This is so cute! |
| 13:21 | Myshkin is lying on the floor. | |
| 13:21 | druthb | uhm... |
| 13:21 | oleonard | :D |
| 13:22 | jcamins | Every time I walk by he stares at me, with his head going further and further back until he flops over. |
| 13:22 | Then he does it again when I walk by in the other direction. | |
| 13:22 | druthb | awr! |
| 13:22 | tcohen | :-D |
| 13:22 | oleonard | jcamins: Imagine how productive you would be if we were all on vacation and we took Myshkin with us |
| 13:25 | jcamins | lol |
| 13:25 | kf | can myshkin come to kohacon? pleeazze? |
| 13:25 | jcamins | kf: probably not, sorry. |
| 13:26 | kf | so unfair. |
| 13:28 | tcohen | should memcached be enabled globally or per-instance with packages? |
| 13:28 | kf | btw tcohen++ |
| 13:29 | jcamins | Per-instance. |
| 13:29 | tcohen | I'll provide koha-*-memcached scripts then |
| 13:30 | jcamins | tcohen++ |
| 13:31 | druthb | tcohen++ |
| 13:31 | kf: I'd bring Pixel, but he'd have a hissy fit. | |
| 13:34 | tcohen | Florencio wouldn't make it to the embassy for a VISA, he's too lazy on winter |
| 13:35 | kf | tcohen: lol |
| 13:35 | druthb | I saw the picture the other day, with Florencio in your lap. Nice to know another person owned by a cat. :D |
| 13:35 | kf | druthb: and you are shared property? :) |
| 13:36 | druthb | I am currently chief-of-staff for two cats, yes. But Captain Midnight will be moving out when Lindsey does. |
| 13:36 | kf | oh |
| 13:37 | tcohen | he sits on my chest/back at around 5AM everyday and knocks my head until i go show him where his food was |
| 13:37 | druthb | Besides, couldn't bring Captain anyway—his purring would disrupt the speakers. |
| 13:37 | heheh. | |
| 13:37 | My two have taken to trying to stare me awake. They've discovered the un-wisdom of anything more interactive. | |
| 13:41 | Pixel has developed a very adorable habit. If I'm laying still in bed, and happen to have an arm sticking out from under the covers, he'll root around to get under my hand, and lay down and start purring. | |
| 13:41 | jcamins | Aww. |
| 13:41 | Cute! | |
| 13:42 | druthb | I've been trying to spend more time with him, and a little less with Cap, since Lindsey's announcement. |
| 13:46 | tcohen: bgkriegel will probably be checking in with you about access to Jacinto, and the translation server; I'm working on handing all that off to him, so go ahead whenever he asks. | |
| 13:47 | Please don't revoke mine just yet; still working on documentation. ;-) | |
| 13:49 | tcohen | ok, i have is ssh keys from the es.koha-community.org server |
| 13:50 | kf | :) |
| 13:50 | hope we can get pootle updated without it making problems | |
| 13:50 | it would be nice | |
| 13:50 | tcohen | i'll just add them, as he's been elected |
| 13:51 | kf | bgkriegel++ |
| 13:51 | druthb | bgkriegel++ |
| 14:04 | tcohen | bgkriegel has the power |
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| 14:08 | tcohen | i mean, SSH access |
| 14:11 | koha-memcached --enable|--disable vs. koha-memcached-enable|-disable ? any thoughts? | |
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| 14:17 | gmcharlt | tcohen: seems OK to me (although even better, IMO, would be seeing if we can agree to just use memcached as a required dependency) |
| 14:17 | @quote random | |
| 14:17 | ah | |
| 14:17 | tcohen | hi gmcharlt |
| 14:18 | we should agree i guess | |
| 14:18 | oleonard | gmcharlt: Did you bring huginn with you? |
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| 14:18 | gmcharlt | @quote random |
| 14:18 | jcamins | Whew. |
| 14:18 | huginn | gmcharlt: Quote #233: "<oleonard> How about Now that she's three my daughter has terrible authority control" (added by gmcharlt at 05:06 PM, February 14, 2013) |
| 14:18 | wahanui | i already had it that way, huginn. |
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| 14:42 | druthb | @quote random |
| 14:42 | huginn | druthb: Quote #193: "<libsysguy> I don't always reterminate....but when I do the terminator is near a stud // * wizzyrea considers if this is a real statement or something to do with the movie." (added by slef at 02:56 PM, March 22, 2012) |
| 14:43 | * druthb | would say she misses libsysguy…but she doesn't; he stops by her office from time to time. |
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| 14:47 | tcohen | @wunder buenos aires, argentina |
| 14:47 | huginn | tcohen: The current temperature in Buenos Aires, Argentina is 15.0°C (11:35 AM ART on May 28, 2013). Conditions: Thunderstorms and Rain. Humidity: 94%. Dew Point: 14.0°C. Pressure: 29.53 in 1000 hPa (Falling). |
| 14:48 | tcohen | cr*p |
| 14:49 | druthb | @under 77098 |
| 14:49 | huginn | druthb: I've exhausted my database of quotes |
| 14:49 | druthb | @wunder 77098 |
| 14:49 | huginn | druthb: The current temperature in Greenway Plaza, Houston, Texas is 27.8°C (9:48 AM CDT on May 28, 2013). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 66%. Dew Point: 21.0°C. Pressure: 29.90 in 1012 hPa (Falling). |
| 14:49 | kf | gmcharlt: hm not sure it should be mandatory to be used |
| 14:49 | gmcharlt | kf: why not? |
| 14:49 | kf | gmcharlt: memcache - there are problems with that because you have to wit to see changes |
| 14:50 | like when you edit a bibliographic framework | |
| 14:50 | things don't take effect | |
| 14:50 | one of the reasons we don't use it. | |
| 14:50 | huginn | New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 7368: Correct three typos in history.txt <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]75694e8e4be6aa274> / Bug 9424: Move JavaScript out of header include <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]9fd8462e33dc8b4f1> / Bug 10284: Add missing spaces between label and content in XSLT view (780/785) <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb |
| 14:51 | kf | gmcharlt: i tried running my dev install with memcached for a while, but it drove me nuts :( |
| 14:51 | maybe it's better now | |
| 14:54 | gmcharlt | there's been a lot of work recently, but I agree in general that the cache should be getting refreshed whenever things like bib frameworks and sysprefs get updated |
| 14:54 | something to duoble-check | |
| 14:54 | but if/when that's been resolved, I think the advantages of having a guarantee that caching is available are significant | |
| 14:55 | * tcohen | remembers he forgot to work on that cache::memcached ideas for cache invalidator declaration |
| 14:55 | kf | gmcharlt: i will love caching once that is resolved :) |
| 14:55 | tcohen++ again :) | |
| 14:55 | even if he ignored my pm :) | |
| 14:55 | jenkins_koha | Starting build #1203 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS) |
| 14:56 | kf | @wunder Konstanz |
| 14:56 | huginn | kf: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 20.3°C (4:55 PM CEST on May 28, 2013). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 45%. Dew Point: 8.0°C. Pressure: 29.53 in 1000 hPa (Falling). |
| 14:56 | kf | ah and gmcharlt++ :) |
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| 15:01 | huginn | New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 10193 - Copies should be holdings as label for items on MARC view <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]2fa4318379076bc6f> |
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| 15:02 | rhcl | @wunder 64507 |
| 15:02 | huginn | rhcl: The current temperature in Wyatt Park, St Joseph, Missouri is 26.5°C (10:02 AM CDT on May 28, 2013). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 78%. Dew Point: 22.0°C. Pressure: 29.67 in 1005 hPa (Falling). Flash Flood Watch in effect through Wednesday morning... |
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| 15:04 | pianohacker | mornin' |
| 15:06 | adam_m | Hello, I'm looking to get some sort of a USB keyboard wedge barcode scanner for Koha, does anyone have any suggestions as to a good one to use? |
| 15:06 | jcamins | adam_m: any will work. |
| 15:07 | kf | adam_m: basically what jcamins said, there are no Koha specifics when buying scanners |
| 15:08 | if you can scan into a text file it's going to work with koha | |
| 15:08 | and now i am leaving .) | |
| 15:08 | bye all! | |
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| 15:12 | huginn | New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 10218 - In OPAC XSLT search results, add class to 'online access' <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]02ca31af8e5e6afc8> / Bug 10184 - Circulation History reverses sort order <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]5a78aee5fdc1ebd94> / Bug 9286 - Add script to add a bib to the zebra queue from the command line <http://git |
| 15:13 | jcamins | oleonard's blog? |
| 15:13 | wahanui | oleonard's blog is, like, http://www.myacpl.org/koha |
| 15:16 | jcamins | oleonard: didn't you do a diagram showing the various user-editable regions on the OPAC? |
| 15:16 | tcohen | for 3.2 if i remember |
| 15:16 | oleonard | Yes, and it's out of date now I think |
| 15:17 | jcamins | Oh, I know, but I'm trying to explain that Koha really is _that_ customizable. |
| 15:17 | oleonard | http://www.myacpl.org/koha/wp-[…]zable-regions.gif |
| 15:17 | jcamins | Thanks. |
| 15:18 | oleonard | I wonder if I saved that as a Photoshop file or something... |
| 15:20 | tcohen | http://grooveshark.com/s/Weeke[…]Wars/4xZXxf?src=5 |
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| 15:32 | huginn | New commit(s) kohagit: Bug 10262 - fine calculation at checkin not respecting CircControl <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]aca515c6917f73479> |
| 15:36 | adam_m | Is there any way to have all the information be added simply by providing koha with only the ISBN or UPC code |
| 15:36 | jcamins | Not automatically. |
| 15:36 | You can use Z39.50 to try and download records from other libraries, though. | |
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| 15:36 | reiveune | bye |
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| 15:37 | adam_m | ok, what would be the best way, slash best library to do that from |
| 15:37 | pianohacker | adam_m: There's a pretty good set that comes with koha |
| 15:38 | adam_m: you might also consider asking some large local libraries you're in contact with for their Z39.50 info | |
| 15:38 | Library of Congress's records exist for just about anything but can be a bit sparse | |
| 15:38 | adam_m | where is that set that comes with koha? |
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| 15:39 | jcamins | Well, LC has records for most of the books that a school or public library in the US would use. If you are outside the US, you may find it a lot less useful. |
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| 15:39 | jcamins | adam_m: they're included in the sample data that it gave you the option to install when you ran the installer. |
| 15:42 | adam_m | perhaps, perhaps not, I'm in Canada, so they could be all the same, though I am unsure haha, I don't know a whole lot about this to be honest all of my background is in programming, I was asked to set up some sort of library system however so this is where In find myself, so sory if my questions seem silly. |
| 15:43 | JoeLib001 | Debian Wheezy is out and my System Admin wants to know, if or when Koha will support it. I have installed Debian Wheezy, installed tinymce2, added the koha-squeeze main repo and everything installed on a VM. Though, that's not quite what he wants, I think. ;-) |
| 15:43 | jcamins | JoeLib001: that's all there is to it. |
| 15:44 | JoeLib001 | Will there be an "official" koha wheezy repo any time soon? |
| 15:44 | jcamins | I don't know if there are any plans to change "squeeze" to "wheezy" since "squeeze" does not mean anything in the context of Koha. |
| 15:44 | JoeLib001 | Ah, ok. |
| 15:44 | jcamins | So... maybe, if the packaging manager thinks there should be? |
| 15:46 | JoeLib001 | tinymce2 just isn't in Wheezy is the only real problem then? |
| 15:46 | jcamins | Right. |
| 15:46 | At least, so far as I know. | |
| 15:46 | JoeLib001 | Hehe. ;-) |
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| 15:47 | JoeLib001 | I will see what he says then. XD |
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| 15:55 | oleonard | Just had a good suggestion from my staff for a new notice: Advance notice of account expiration |
| 15:56 | JoeLib001 | That topic was just discussed on the Mailing list for our ILS. ;-) |
| 15:56 | I give them 6 months to a year, if they ever get it implemeneted. XD | |
| 15:57 | We currently use Koha for Periodicals/Acquisitions. ;-) | |
| 15:58 | gmcharlt | oleonard: JoeLib001: must be a confluence -- there's been some chatter on the Evergreen mailing lists about a similar thing |
| 15:58 | JoeLib001 | It's a good idea. |
| 15:58 | oleonard | It's becoming a big issue now that more patrons are using the library exclusively for digital services (ebooks, downloads, etc) |
| 15:59 | They never come in to the library to get prompted to renew their account in person. | |
| 15:59 | JoeLib001 | It probably was just a matter of time considering the push towards more electronic content. |
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| 16:07 | * Katrin Fischer: Bug 10284: Add missing spaces between label and content in XSLT view (780/785) | |
| 16:07 | * Owen Leonard: Bug 9424: Move JavaScript out of header include | |
| 16:07 | * Connor Fraser: Bug 7368: Correct three typos in history.txt | |
| 16:07 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10284 minor, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, Pushed to Master , Missing spaces between label and content in XSLT view for 785/780 |
| 16:07 | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9424 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Move JavaScript out of header include | |
| 16:07 | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7368 trivial, P5 - low, ---, m.de.rooy, ASSIGNED , General staff client typo omnibus | |
| 16:08 | jenkins_koha | Starting build #1204 for job Koha_master (previous build: UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #1202 3 days 21 hr ago) |
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| 16:12 | gaetan_B | bye ! |
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| 16:50 | cait | bug 6173 |
| 16:50 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6173 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, henridamien, NEW , Cronjob to send account expiry notices |
| 16:50 | druthb | wahanui: cait? |
| 16:50 | wahanui | cait is qam, not your secretary |
| 16:50 | druthb | :P |
| 16:51 | cait | i was peeking in the message logs |
| 16:51 | adam_m | Hello, so I've set up a connection to the National library in Canada, I'm sort of assuming that I can now just search for whatever books that i do have on there and then just import all the information that i need from there |
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| 16:51 | druthb | wahanui: botsnack cookie |
| 16:51 | wahanui | :) |
| 16:55 | cait | didn't someone ask for account renewal mailsß |
| 16:55 | ? | |
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| 16:57 | cait | oh well :) |
| 16:57 | * cait | disappears again to work on her distance study course |
| 17:15 | jcamins | adam_m: you should always ask questions on the main board, as as a matter of principle most people do not respond to private messages. |
| 17:16 | adam_m | sorry |
| 17:19 | jcamins | The most likely issue if you're having problems placing holds is that you either A) do not have an item attached to the record in question, or B) do not have a circulation rule set up. |
| 17:23 | jenkins_koha | Yippie, build fixed! |
| 17:23 | Project Koha_master build #1204: FIXED in 1 hr 14 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]Koha_master/1204/ | |
| 17:23 | * Owen Leonard: Bug 10193 - Copies should be holdings as label for items on MARC view | |
| 17:23 | * Kyle M Hall: Bug 9286 - Add script to add a bib to the zebra queue from the command line | |
| 17:23 | * Colin Campbell: Bug 10184 - Circulation History reverses sort order | |
| 17:23 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10193 trivial, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Copies should be holdings as label for items on MARC view |
| 17:23 | jenkins_koha | * Owen Leonard: Bug 10218 - In OPAC XSLT search results, add class to 'online access' |
| 17:23 | * Kyle M Hall: Bug 10262 - fine calculation at checkin not respecting CircControl | |
| 17:23 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9286 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Pushed to Master , Add script to add a bib to the zebra queue from the command line |
| 17:23 | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10184 trivial, P5 - low, ---, colin.campbell, Pushed to Master , Circulation History reverses sort order | |
| 17:23 | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10218 minor, P5 - low, ---, mathieu.saby, ASSIGNED , In OPAC XSLT search results, add class to 'online access' | |
| 17:23 | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10262 critical, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, Pushed to Master , fine calculation at checkin not respecting CircControl | |
| 17:25 | jenkins_koha | Starting build #1205 for job Koha_master (previous build: FIXED) |
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| 17:34 | drojf | good evenin g#koha |
| 17:38 | pianohacker | debugging an indexdata product: read errors/logfiles, fail to understand them; read documentation, fail to find specifics; read source code, fail to understand how it compiles |
| 17:41 | jcamins | pianohacker: sounds about right. |
| 17:53 | And those are just the highlights! | |
| 17:54 | pianohacker: out of curiosity, which are you debugging? | |
| 18:04 | pianohacker | jcamins: Trying to figure out a pazpar2 configuration issue |
| 18:04 | jcamins | pianohacker: fun! |
| 18:05 | pianohacker | always. these guys write powerful, speedy code, but man... |
| 18:11 | that's almost too darkly true to be funny... | |
| 18:15 | cait1 joined #koha | |
| 18:16 | druthb | two caits! WOOO HOO |
| 18:16 | * druthb | will cait-nap one, when she comes over for KohaCon |
| 18:18 | cait1 | only got one plane tix :) |
| 18:18 | drojf | you only need one for the return flight… |
| 18:19 | druthb | right…the other one can stay behind and hack on Koha for BSZ. The other one gets a nice long break, can hack on Koha as she pleases. |
| 18:20 | * druthb | wonders if drojf is planning on KohaCon, toooo |
| 18:20 | would welcome an invasion of Germans. | |
| 18:21 | jcamins | druthb: there's a problem with kidnapping drojf and making him stay in the States, though. No one would be able to pronounce his name. :P |
| 18:21 | druthb | Big deal, jcamins. I have that problem already. |
| 18:23 | I had a friend who was a Dutch Indonesian..as a small child, he hid from Japanese soldiers in the jungle, during WW2; his family emigrated to the US after the war. His last name was "De Vlugt"…but if you read it on a sign, and asked him how to pronounce it, he would say "Smith!" with a maniacal cackle. | |
| 18:23 | drojf | druthb: unfortunately no |
| 18:24 | jcamins | lol |
| 18:24 | drojf | unless cait is willing to carry me in her luggage |
| 18:24 | druthb | (Then he'd tell it right: de-FLOO'kt) |
| 18:26 | * druthb | will send cait a bigger suitcase. |
| 18:26 | drojf | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tyQvjKqXA0Y |
| 18:26 | cait1 | drojf: you think you could hunger down to 23kg? |
| 18:26 | drojf | i can try |
| 18:26 | no, i can't | |
| 18:26 | :D | |
| 18:27 | cait1 | yeah i think it's probably not a good idea |
| 18:28 | drojf | i would be really grumpy ;) |
| 18:35 | druthb | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IhJQp-q1Y1s |
| 18:37 | jenkins_koha | Project Koha_master build #1205: SUCCESS in 1 hr 13 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]Koha_master/1205/ |
| 18:50 | pastebot | "jcamins" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "cait: You can make portions of strings translatable like this, right?" (1 line) at http://paste.koha-community.org/27 |
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| 18:52 | jcamins | cait1: actually, that question was for you. |
| 18:54 | oleonard: don't suppose you have any idea how to remove a cookie using JS/jQuery? | |
| 18:55 | oleonard: let me rephrase that... I don't suppose you have any idea how I should do it in the Koha codebase? | |
| 18:58 | Figured it out. | |
| 18:58 | I set the expiration to negative. | |
| 18:58 | Apparently that's the only way to do it. | |
| 18:58 | pianohacker | jcamins: Yeah, that's the method I know |
| 18:59 | jcamins | pianohacker: we're using jquery.cookie, which talks about a removeCookie method, but I can't find any evidence of it or anything other than simply expiring the cookie anywhere. |
| 18:59 | smeagol joined #koha | |
| 18:59 | jcamins | Hey, I like this. |
| 19:00 | * jcamins | just did cookie-based merging for authorities, and it's very convenient. |
| 19:01 | smeagol | Wondering why I'm getting this error on a dev install when trying to access web installer? "Can't call method "config" on unblessed reference at /kohaclone/C4/Context.pm line 791" Has anyone seen this? thanks. |
| 19:01 | jcamins | It is perfect for my inner slacker, which says "I don't want to move my mouse." |
| 19:01 | cait1 | which question? |
| 19:01 | jcamins | smeagol: it sounds like you don't have the KOHA_CONF environment variable set. |
| 19:02 | cait1: the one in the pastebin. | |
| 19:02 | I have two translatable strings and a bunch of HTML, and I would prefer to only ask people to translate the English. | |
| 19:06 | cait1 | looksgood |
| 19:06 | jcamins | \o/ |
| 19:07 | smeagol | jcamins: i did export koha_conf=/root/koha-dev/etc/koha-conf.xml..??? |
| 19:08 | jcamins | smeagol: it has to be exported to your web browser. |
| 19:08 | Not browser. | |
| 19:08 | Server. | |
| 19:08 | Sorry. | |
| 19:08 | mtompset joined #koha | |
| 19:08 | mtompset | Greetings, #koha. |
| 19:08 | *sigh* I'm having indexing issues, it would seem. :( | |
| 19:09 | jcamins | And I think you might have the wrong path. /root doesn't seem like a very probable place to have your koha-dev. |
| 19:09 | rangi | smeagol: and case matters its KOHA_CONF |
| 19:09 | jcamins | Also that. |
| 19:09 | wahanui | it has been said that also that is a giant undertaking |
| 19:14 | rangi | new developer! |
| 19:14 | jcamins | \o/ |
| 19:14 | cait1 | oh where? |
| 19:14 | drojf | woah i am #7 in the signoffs list for may. and i have been a really lazy bum. everybody should do more signoffs… |
| 19:15 | rangi | 212 |
| 19:15 | connor fraser | |
| 19:15 | http://git.koha-community.org/[…]oha.git;a=summary | |
| 19:15 | peter was teaching them how to contribute on the weekned | |
| 19:16 | * jcamins | is on vacation until June 1. |
| 19:16 | cait1 | nice .) |
| 19:16 | drojf++ | |
| 19:16 | rangi | http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]?s=Koha&p=Koha&c= |
| 19:16 | needs signoff is trending the wrong way, we | |
| 19:16 | will have to fix that :) | |
| 19:24 | cait1 | go rangi go :) |
| 19:28 | jcamins | oleonard: you can give a style tag an id, right? |
| 19:28 | oleonard | I suppose so |
| 19:28 | rangi | cait1: ive been doing qa stuff |
| 19:29 | but ill do some more sign offs soon and others can qa them | |
| 19:29 | cait1 | jcamins: i can check if you want? |
| 19:29 | rangi: sounds good to me :) | |
| 19:29 | rangi | cait1: there are only 5 in passed qa, we have to keep that full or gmcharlt will get bored ;-) |
| 19:29 | jcamins | cait1: check what? |
| 19:30 | cait1 | if you can or not :) |
| 19:30 | jcamins | Oh. |
| 19:30 | I can check. | |
| 19:30 | I'll give a style tag an ID, and see if I can use it. | |
| 19:30 | If I can, WIN! | |
| 19:30 | cait1 | it can |
| 19:30 | jcamins | WIN! |
| 19:31 | pianohacker | I guess the only real question is if getElementById works for things outside the body |
| 19:32 | jcamins | pianohacker: ooh, good point. |
| 19:33 | Looks like you can. | |
| 19:33 | http://stackoverflow.com/quest[…]-using-javascript | |
| 19:34 | oleonard | Or you could change the class of the body tag and apply different rules that way, or something similar. |
| 19:34 | jcamins | oleonard: the challenge is that I want to rewrite opacusercss with javascript. |
| 19:35 | oleonard | Oh, then just create a new system preference: opacusercssoverride :P |
| 19:35 | jcamins | No, that wouldn't work. |
| 19:36 | oleonard | Right, because you'd have to add a new one: opacusercssoverrideoverride just in case |
| 19:36 | pianohacker | jcamins: what are you doing? |
| 19:36 | jcamins | The point is I want to test things using Javascript without actually saving the changes. |
| 19:36 | pianohacker: embedded style preview. | |
| 19:36 | pianohacker | ooooh |
| 19:36 | that sounds fancy as all get-out | |
| 19:36 | jcamins | Well, right now I'm making merging authorities from the reservoir work. |
| 19:36 | But I can't think about one thing at a time. | |
| 19:37 | Apparently. | |
| 19:37 | rangi | heh |
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| 20:34 | jeff | thinking on cross-ils APIs again, is koha more/less expressive than "ready for pickup" and "total" with regard to holds, or with regard to circs/checkouts, does out/claims-returned/long-overdue/overdue/lost/total logically map to koha? |
| 20:34 | (talking in terms of a summary of a patron account) | |
| 20:40 | jcamins | jeff: Koha does not currently have claims-returned support, really. |
| 20:41 | jeff | got it. well, in that case then it would always be absent / zero, i suppose! |
| 20:41 | jcamins | As for holds, you can look at a list of what items a patron has on hold. |
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| 20:44 | jeff | jcamins: this is the context of my inquiry -- my most recent example of fetching a user summary via LibraryREST from Evergreen: https://gist.github.com/jeff/0b26193dc32c5397c2de |
| 20:45 | (at some point a better term than LibraryREST may be desired, but that's what's sticking for now) | |
| 20:48 | jcamins | Nifty! |
| 20:55 | wizzyrea | well you can set a lost authorised value for claims returned |
| 20:55 | it doesn't do anything though | |
| 20:55 | and good morning | |
| 20:55 | jeff | good morning! |
| 21:10 | rangi | back |
| 21:43 | mtompset | okay... I really have a search problem. |
| 21:43 | I did a fresh git install. | |
| 21:43 | and I loaded my data from our live system into it. | |
| 21:44 | when I do a search, I get nothing. | |
| 21:44 | I did a full reindex. | |
| 21:44 | I restarted zebra. | |
| 21:44 | wizzyrea | indexes owned by the correct user? |
| 21:44 | mtompset | any other suggestions? |
| 21:44 | wahanui | any other suggestions are welcome |
| 21:44 | rangi | permissions is most likely the problem |
| 21:45 | mtompset | everything in my home directory is owned by me. |
| 21:46 | except the koha error logs. | |
| 21:46 | and I know those are fine, because they are registering the silent errors. | |
| 21:46 | wizzyrea | zebra is running as you? |
| 21:47 | mtompset | Yes. |
| 21:48 | I'll have to try later. Running late now. | |
| 21:48 | Have a great day, everyone. | |
| 22:10 | NateC left #koha | |
| 22:11 | bag | mtompset marc21? |
| 22:11 | oh missed him by a lot :P | |
| 22:12 | cait1 | hi bag |
| 22:12 | bag | hey cait1 |
| 22:13 | cait | and good night :) |
| 22:13 | cait left #koha | |
| 22:14 | drojf | buy humble bundle, sign off on koha patches instead of playing. leisure time, i'm doing it right. |
| 22:14 | wizzyrea | @quote add <drojf> buy humble bundle, sign off on koha patches instead of playing. leisure time, i'm doing it right. |
| 22:14 | huginn | wizzyrea: Error: You must be registered to use this command. If you are already registered, you must either identify (using the identify command) or add a hostmask matching your current hostmask (using the "hostmask add" command). |
| 22:14 | wizzyrea | Nooooo |
| 22:15 | drojf | heh |
| 22:15 | wizzyrea | @quote add <drojf> buy humble bundle, sign off on koha patches instead of playing. leisure time, i'm doing it right. |
| 22:15 | huginn | wizzyrea: The operation succeeded. Quote #253 added. |
| 22:15 | wizzyrea | take that |
| 22:15 | @quote get 252 | |
| 22:15 | huginn | wizzyrea: Quote #252: "<@jcamins> Really the issues is that Anglo-American libraries have settled on a profoundly stupid format that utterly fails to express anything that patrons care about, while going on at great length about things patrons don't care about." (added by chris at 10:42 PM, May 26, 2013) |
| 22:15 | wahanui | i already had it that way, huginn. |
| 22:15 | * wizzyrea | nods |
| 22:16 | wizzyrea | @quote get 251 |
| 22:16 | huginn | wizzyrea: Quote #251: "<zebran00b> I'm thinking there's a regular expression for this" (added by wizzyrea at 04:56 AM, May 24, 2013) |
| 22:16 | drojf | lol |
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| 22:25 | pianohacker | I'm beginning to get this feeling that jcamins passionately hates MARC21/AACR |
| 22:27 | rhcl | we need a new format: anti-marc |
| 22:28 | eythian | hi |
| 22:29 | pianohacker | yo |
| 22:30 | drojf | hi eythian |
| 22:30 | rhcl: let's call it ɔɹɐɯ | |
| 22:30 | rhcl | how did you do that? |
| 22:32 | eythian | you turn your keyboard around |
| 22:33 | rhcl | well, that's easier than standing on one's head I suppose |
| 22:33 | I'm thinking escape codes in the chat client? | |
| 22:34 | eythian | nah, just UTF-8 |
| 22:34 | rhcl | diff subject: Anyone know if any of Douglas County's (Colorado, USA) Libraries are using Koha or EG? |
| 22:34 | eythian | http://www.fliptext.org/ <-- or use this |
| 22:35 | rhcl | For those that don't follow it, that library system is a (USA) pioneer on self-hosting ebooks. I was wondering how they might have integrated them into their ILS. |
| 22:35 | eythian | might be worth looking in libwebcats |
| 22:36 | pianohacker | for future reference, if you are configuring targets in pazpar2 completely through the webservice, you have to set the pz:name setting |
| 22:36 | rhcl | My state (Missouri) is apparently ready to follow in their footsteps, and set up a state-wide "owned" ebook solution. |
| 22:36 | pianohacker | nothing else seems to be required, but that's a very important undocumented requirement... |
| 22:37 | wizzyrea | ugh why rhcl - Yay, government DRM! seems legit. |
| 22:38 | eythian | pianohacker: you should document it |
| 22:38 | wizzyrea | you still own nothing |
| 22:38 | rangi | its cheaper nothing |
| 22:38 | thats the only win i see | |
| 22:38 | rhcl | Well, no. Both Douglas County and (apparently) MO are emphasizing the problem of licensing, and the desire to serve DRM-free content. |
| 22:39 | wizzyrea | yea, afaict they haven't actually gotten that. |
| 22:39 | pianohacker | eythian: fingers crossed, it will in the form of code comments :) |
| 22:39 | eythian | that works too :) |
| 22:39 | pianohacker | rhcl: Doesn't douglas county use overdrive? Their site points at that |
| 22:39 | rhcl | and they do "own" the titles, although with the licensing restrictions in place. This really does "replace" Overdrive |
| 22:40 | I can forward an email with links if anyone is interested. | |
| 22:40 | rangi | they no more own them than they did with overdrive |
| 22:40 | the licensing agreements say that | |
| 22:40 | they are renting | |
| 22:40 | just from publishers instead of overdrive | |
| 22:40 | cutting out overdrive is a win | |
| 22:40 | wizzyrea | ^ |
| 22:40 | rangi | but its not revolutionary or a great leap forward, its cheaper rentl |
| 22:40 | als | |
| 22:40 | which is cool and all | |
| 22:40 | rhcl | With overdrive they were clearly term-limited and licensed. With the "owned" instances the books never expire, they sit firmly on your servers. |
| 22:41 | rangi | yeah just like 1984 sat firmly on peoples kindles |
| 22:41 | rhcl | Realize I hate DRM as much as anyone, but this is somewhat better than Overdrive, which I truly dislike |
| 22:41 | rangi | *nod* |
| 22:41 | i repeat | |
| 22:41 | wizzyrea | lesser of two evils is still evil :P |
| 22:41 | rangi | but its not revolutionary or a great leap forward, its cheaper rentals :) |
| 22:41 | rhcl | agreed |
| 22:41 | rangi | its better than it was |
| 22:42 | id love to see a library go, you know what | |
| 22:42 | tor, they offer drm free | |
| 22:42 | im gonna buy their entire catalogue | |
| 22:42 | and screw the rest of your douchebags | |
| 22:42 | unlikely i know | |
| 22:42 | but that id cheer about :) | |
| 22:42 | hell id sign up as a member to them :) | |
| 22:43 | wizzyrea | the only libraries i know of in colorado that use koha, to answer your original question, ar CLIC, and they run the thing that masquerades as Koha but isn't |
| 22:43 | rhcl | wizzyrea: do you know Monique? I've met her a few times, and she's visited here too. The director there really does have an open-source interest. |
| 22:44 | rangi | back to your question |
| 22:44 | wizzyrea | monique doesn't sound familiar |
| 22:44 | rangi | they run horizon |
| 22:44 | pianohacker | wizzyrea: Me raises a tiny, insignificant flag for a small library in Florence, CO ;) |
| 22:44 | wizzyrea | oh right I forgot about yours :) |
| 22:44 | rangi | oh yeah :) |
| 22:44 | pianohacker | rangi: Yeah, I got the same from libwebcats |
| 22:44 | rangi | http://www.librarytechnology.o[…]ibrary.pl?RC=1463 |
| 22:44 | rhcl | she was tech director or something at Johnson County libraries until moving to Douglas |
| 22:44 | drojf | rhcl: it's a function in duckduckgo but there are aseveral other sites as eythian pointed out https://duckduckgo.com/?kl=wt-[…]kf=-1&q=flip+marc |
| 22:44 | wizzyrea | but you're not in douglas county eh? |
| 22:45 | pianohacker | nope, jefferson county |
| 22:45 | wizzyrea | so funny those are all the same counties that were in NEKLS - it's so confusing :) |
| 22:45 | * jcamins | waits impatiently for the flatbread to be done. |
| 22:45 | jcamins | I'm making mozzarella-cashew flatbread. |
| 22:45 | pianohacker | looks like douglas county has a lot of money/programmers, as the OPAC looks completely custom |
| 22:45 | * drojf | waits impatiently to find the enery to go to bed |
| 22:46 | pianohacker | jcamins: I love all three of those things, at least on their own :) |
| 22:46 | rhcl | yep, they have a growing area, good revenue stream |
| 22:46 | eythian | rangi: start with China Miéville. His books are annoyingly un-put-downable, and are on tor as DRM free. |
| 22:46 | drojf | energy even |
| 22:47 | jcamins | pianohacker: vufind with some serious added content, I think. |
| 22:47 | rhcl | "...forging agreements9 with independent publishers such as SmashWords, Akashic, Untreed, Poisoned Pen, and the Colorado Independent Publishers Association..." |
| 22:47 | pianohacker | jcamins: vufind would make sense |
| 22:47 | rangi | eythian: noted ;) |
| 22:48 | eythian | http://www.panmacmillan.com/bo[…]amieville/railsea <-- also, that one is on sale until the end of the month or so |
| 22:48 | rhcl | http://publiclibrariesonline.o[…]3/04/51n1fig3.jpg |
| 22:48 | eythian | (the summary makes it sound odder than it really is :) |
| 22:49 | pianohacker | huh, jefferson county runs iii. don't see a lot of them |
| 22:49 | rhcl | they have a mysql server to serve the very significant amount of non-DRM titles |
| 22:49 | jcamins | iii? You don't see a lot of iii? |
| 22:49 | Millennium is one of the market leaders! | |
| 22:49 | Which is sad. | |
| 22:50 | pianohacker | not as common here in Colorado, at least. |
| 22:50 | jcamins | Lucky. ;) |
| 22:52 | pianohacker | haha, yeah. as painful as migrating our ~15000 bib/1500 patron collection from old Horizon was, apparently that was on the low end of the pain/numbers spectrum :) |
| 22:52 | massive amounts of data munging in perl to get borrowers into 2.2.9 | |
| 22:52 | jcamins | Close, but not quite done. |
| 22:53 | * jcamins | continues being impatient. |
| 22:54 | jcamins | Gosh that looks and smells good (and done!:D). |
| 22:56 | eythian | are there likely to be any bad effects from zapping the sessions table (aside from logging everyone out?) |
| 22:57 | gmcharlt | eythian: disappointed data miners, perhaps |
| 22:57 | eythian | gmcharlt: that sounds like a plus :) |
| 22:57 | gmcharlt | heh |
| 22:57 | eythian | this is just for a test system anyway |
| 22:58 | wizzyrea | doesn't the cleanup script zap it every night anyway? |
| 22:58 | rhcl left #koha | |
| 22:58 | jcamins | eythian: nope. No bad effects. |
| 22:58 | gmcharlt | wizzyrea: why do you think the data miners have been disapoointed for years at this point? ;) |
| 22:58 | wizzyrea | :D |
| 22:58 | eythian | it does, though I think it only deletes ones that are a couple of days old (not sure of the specifics) |
| 22:59 | jcamins | Wow. That is some pretty damn tasty flatbread. |
| 22:59 | wizzyrea | you must send me the recipe please |
| 22:59 | jcamins | eythian: it's supposed to be > a couple days old. |
| 22:59 | eythian | yeah, that's what I thought |
| 23:00 | jcamins | wizzyrea: it's the semolina recipe in Artisan Bread in Five Minutes a Day, rolled out flat, rubbed with basil olive oil, sprinkled with rosemary, mozzarella, and broken cashews. |
| 23:00 | wizzyrea | ohh |
| 23:01 | jcamins | I'm trying to reduce the amount of time I spend on baking while increasing the amount of deliciousness. |
| 23:01 | Therefore I am giving Artisan Bread in Five Minutes a Day a serious try. | |
| 23:06 | And the dough is from... | |
| 23:06 | Saturdayish. | |
| 23:06 | Or maybe Fridayish. | |
| 23:07 | The 24th. | |
| 23:08 | Friday. | |
| 23:31 | There are some challenges to putting the finishing touches on an application that uses app cache. | |
| 23:32 | Change the code... nothing happens... shift-refresh... no change... alt-refresh... nothing... shift-alt-refresh... no... oh yeah! app cache... log out... log back in... get told to refresh the page... code has changed. | |
| 23:32 | wahanui | jcamins: that doesn't look right |
| 23:32 | wahanui joined #koha | |
| 23:32 | rangi | heh |
| 23:40 | pianohacker | all right, off for the day. 'night #koha :) |
| 23:40 | eythian | later |
| 23:47 | * jeff | yawns |
| 23:48 | wizzyrea | you know I really missed pianohacker :) |
| 23:48 | i'm glad he's back | |
| 23:48 | * wizzyrea | thinks that pianohacker and cjh would be great friends. |
| 23:49 | eythian | They're the same person. Ever seen them in the same room together? See. |
| 23:49 | wizzyrea | omg. |
| 23:49 | cjh | and now that you all know... |
| 23:49 | I can't let this get out. | |
| 23:49 | wizzyrea | i thought you were going to bed :P |
| 23:51 | cjh | get the popcorn? |
| 23:51 | wahanui | http://i.imgur.com/p3cHE.gif |
| 23:52 | dani left #koha | |
| 23:55 | rangi | i cant .. even .. find .. the ... words |
| 23:55 | wizzyrea | yea just don' |
| 23:55 | don't bother | |
| 23:55 | rangi | the problem is |
| 23:55 | * wizzyrea | puts away the popcorn |
| 23:55 | rangi | threads end up |
| 23:55 | jcamins | Huh? |
| 23:55 | rangi | with his complete bullshit mis information as the last workd |
| 23:55 | -k | |
| 23:55 | cjh | jcamins: memcached discussion in koha-devel |
| 23:55 | jcamins | Oh. |
| 23:55 | * jcamins | does a happy dance. |
| 23:56 | jcamins | The filter worked! |
| 23:56 | cjh | heh |
| 23:56 | jcamins | Winwinwinwinwinwinwinwinwinwinwin!!!!! |
| 23:56 | wizzyrea | loool |
| 23:56 | get the popcorn? | |
| 23:56 | wahanui | http://i.imgur.com/p3cHE.gif |
| 23:56 | * cjh | feels like replying with 'no' |
| 23:56 | rangi | that seems appropriate |
| 23:57 | eythian | jcamins: it's OK, you'll see his content in my reply in 5 .. 4 ... 3 ... |
| 23:57 | rangi | lol |
| 23:57 | jcamins | eythian: haven't I told you before about not removing headers? |
| 23:58 | eythian | I actually CC'ed you. |
| 23:58 | (disclaimer: that may be a lie) | |
| 23:58 | jcamins | lol |
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