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| 00:13 | wajasu | i found that if the GetNormailzedISBN routine in Koha.pm doesn't remove the tailing " (v.1)" and such, then the Business::ISBN returns a blank ISBN and that gets submitted inthe URL to Amazon. Thus no cover image. I tried $isbn =~ s/(.*)( \| | \()(.*)/$1/; and now i am getting more cover images. |
| 00:13 | wizzyrea | that's a bug |
| 00:13 | wajasu | yup |
| 00:14 | i'll write it up and a patch and give a test. i think my librarian will be happy | |
| 00:19 | eythian | http://www.modernperlbooks.com[…]he-perl-core.html |
| 00:20 | wajasu | whoa! |
| 00:26 | tcohen | nice reading eythian ! |
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| 03:25 | jenkins_koha | Starting build #123 for job Koha_3.10.x (previous build: SUCCESS) |
| 03:26 | rangi | bgkriegel++ |
| 04:06 | jenkins_koha | Project Koha_3.10.x build #123: SUCCESS in 40 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]/Koha_3.10.x/123/ |
| 04:06 | Kyle M Hall: Bug 10293 - Bug 9930 needs to be reverted for 3.10.x | |
| 04:06 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10293 blocker, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, Pushed to Stable , Bug 9930 needs to be reverted for 3.10.x |
| 04:06 | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9930 critical, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Pushed to Stable , can't update patron info in ccsr | |
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| 04:30 | cait | good morning #koha |
| 04:31 | eythian | hi cait |
| 04:31 | cait | hi eythian |
| 04:31 | still working? | |
| 04:31 | eythian | haven't broken yet, no |
| 04:32 | cait | good |
| 04:34 | eythian | isn't it a bit early there? |
| 04:36 | cait | normal time |
| 04:36 | shortly after 6 | |
| 04:36 | eythian | a bit early, that's what I said :) |
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| 05:53 | cait | hm extra grey monday... |
| 05:53 | @wunder Konstanz | |
| 05:53 | huginn | cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 6.7°C (7:50 AM CEST on May 27, 2013). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 92%. Dew Point: 6.0°C. Windchill: 7.0°C. Pressure: 29.95 in 1014 hPa (Steady). |
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| 06:44 | reiveune | hello |
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| 06:57 | alex_a | bonjour |
| 06:57 | wahanui | kai ora, alex_a |
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| 07:00 | gaetan_B | hello |
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| 07:05 | asaurat | hi |
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| 07:12 | huginn | GERMS!!!! |
| 07:12 | wahanui | i heard germs was http://i.imgur.com/5UfhT.jpg |
| 07:12 | kf | good morning #koha |
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| 07:16 | christophe_c | hello #koha |
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| 08:19 | Viktor | Morning Koha :) |
| 08:19 | rangi | hi Viktor |
| 08:43 | * mtj | waves to Viktor and rangi |
| 08:44 | Viktor | Hi rangi and mtj |
| 08:45 | I must say that Koha gives me less headache than the other stuff I have to get right in the current migration :) | |
| 08:45 | And 3.12 looks sweet! | |
| 08:48 | rangi | the best thing with Koha is its always improving |
| 08:54 | kf | yep :) |
| 08:54 | * kf | waves too |
| 08:54 | mtj | ...yep, and improving at an increasingly faster pace |
| 08:57 | kf | yep |
| 08:57 | hard to keep up with | |
| 08:58 | mtj | is there anyone running any RDA framworks with Koha, atm? |
| 08:59 | kf | nope not currently |
| 09:00 | mtj | hmm, perhaps i should make a bug to add RDA stuff to Koha |
| 09:01 | kf | i think bywater might have been working on it |
| 09:01 | there was a blog post about rda a while back | |
| 09:01 | and I think we'd need some new indexes | |
| 09:01 | and xslt | |
| 09:02 | mtj | yes.. yes.. of course! |
| 09:02 | kf | i think rda will cause some i18n issues at least with the carrier/media types being text in *your* language |
| 09:03 | mtj | wow, how is that supposed to work.. ever? |
| 09:03 | kf | *shrug* |
| 09:04 | maybe i am mistaken | |
| 09:04 | oh there is a codenow | |
| 09:04 | i take it bakc then | |
| 09:04 | http://www.loc.gov/marc/RDAinMARC.html | |
| 09:05 | ' codes were established in MARC Update 10.' | |
| 09:08 | mtj | cool, thanks for the link kf++ |
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| 09:09 | kf | hm wonder when update 10 happened, i shoudl get my rda knowledge updated too :) |
| 09:10 | mtj: thereis also rangi's rda framework on the wiki | |
| 09:12 | mtj | fwiw, ive created a bug 10344 for this... |
| 09:12 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10344 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , add RDA support to Koha |
| 09:14 | rangi | RDA the R is for Retarded |
| 09:15 | mtj: its all there already, just add the framework | |
| 09:15 | kf | like the R in MARC? :) |
| 09:15 | rangi | what is missing is any explaination of wtf you are supposed to do with the data |
| 09:15 | ie, its a librarian standard for librarians | |
| 09:15 | no benefit at all for library users | |
| 09:16 | all you can do is show it to them, and they will go, wtf is this supposed to mean | |
| 09:16 | yay huge improvement!! | |
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| 09:17 | mtj | yeah, i agree with all of that… :/ |
| 09:18 | * kf | gets out the coookie jar |
| 09:18 | rangi | kf: yep and then you have MARC RDA .. its retarded squared!! |
| 09:20 | * kf | hides |
| 09:21 | mtj | rangi, we still need some additional patches to display and index/search RDA data correctly, i think? |
| 09:22 | ie: xslt/tt and zebra mods | |
| 09:23 | rangi | xslt you can make your own, with the new syspref |
| 09:23 | indexing it is pointless | |
| 09:23 | unless you have all your records catalogued with rda | |
| 09:24 | you will end up making big chunks of your catalogue unfindable | |
| 09:24 | so you have to try and do some mixed thing | |
| 09:24 | and since it will probably take about 20 years | |
| 09:24 | cos there is no way to automatically convert from aarc2 to rda | |
| 09:25 | it really seems like an utter waste of time | |
| 09:25 | have the framework, store the data, tick the rda box | |
| 09:25 | mtj | yep |
| 09:25 | rangi | you can see it all in the marc |
| 09:25 | and when/if someone actually figures out what use there is for it | |
| 09:26 | make the display/search mods at that point | |
| 09:26 | im not holding my breath | |
| 09:26 | LOC dumped it on the world | |
| 09:26 | and moved on to bibframe | |
| 09:26 | i think it was dead before it started | |
| 09:27 | mtj | aaaah, the rda data is already viewable via the marc-view? |
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| 09:28 | drojf | good day #koha |
| 09:28 | mtj | … well, thats the RDA display problem sorted :) |
| 09:28 | rangi | mtj: yep |
| 09:28 | mtj | heya drojf |
| 09:28 | rangi | if its in your framework, it shows up, so you just have to load the RDA framework |
| 09:29 | hi drojf | |
| 09:29 | drojf | hi rangi and mtj |
| 09:33 | mtj | rangi, so updating the '*marc*_framework_DEFAULT.sql' files with RDA stuff, is still a valid patch? |
| 09:34 | rangi | i wouldnt no |
| 09:35 | because lots of places are not using RDA yet | |
| 09:35 | and its a moving target | |
| 09:35 | (there are proposed fields still that are being accepted) | |
| 09:36 | but i guess it wouldnt hurt | |
| 09:36 | as long as someone is going to keep it up to date | |
| 09:36 | course its only valid for MARC21 too | |
| 09:36 | hmm i have a good quote for this | |
| 09:36 | @quote get 252 | |
| 09:37 | huginn | rangi: Quote #252: "<@jcamins> Really the issues is that Anglo-American libraries have settled on a profoundly stupid format that utterly fails to express anything that patrons care about, while going on at great length about things patrons don't care about." (added by chris at 10:42 PM, May 26, 2013) |
| 09:37 | wahanui | i already had it that way, huginn. |
| 09:37 | rangi | :) |
| 09:38 | drojf | i thought it's all about fun for cataloguers, not information for patrons :P |
| 09:39 | rangi | thats why im so keen on 3.14 to be able to care about other metadata formats |
| 09:41 | mtj | is it problematic for a library that does not use rda, to have an rda-enabled fwrk? |
| 09:41 | kf | mtj: before you update the frameworks - it might be inlcuded in the update bgkriegel did |
| 09:41 | and that is waiting for sign-off | |
| 09:41 | mtj | ...or, can they just ignore those fields? |
| 09:41 | kf | he did a new default one adding all the new fields and subfields |
| 09:41 | because our default is in general a bit out of date | |
| 09:42 | mtj | kf, ah yes, - i did see that patch somewhere… |
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| 09:46 | mtj | curious, is RDA a spec for MARC21/USMARC only? |
| 09:47 | kf | i think so |
| 09:47 | rangi | yes |
| 09:47 | kf | if other were to adopt RDA |
| 09:47 | * mtj | does a quik google… |
| 09:47 | kf | they would have to add fields to their marc flavour |
| 09:47 | germany adopts rda.. but we are marc21 users too | |
| 09:50 | mtj | wow, i havent even considered that RDA was just a USMARC thing :/ |
| 09:51 | kf | it's not in principle I think... it's new cataloging rules |
| 09:51 | rangi | in theory its not |
| 09:51 | kf | but when you look at the group that invented it, probably mostly US |
| 09:51 | rangi | in practicality it is |
| 09:51 | kf | i think germany is a member now |
| 09:51 | rangi | ie, the standard refrences marc21 fields |
| 09:51 | kf | hm not sure the toolkit does |
| 09:52 | http://www.rda-jsc.org/rda.html | |
| 09:52 | rangi | im not going to pay to find out :) |
| 09:52 | mtj | lol, fail |
| 09:53 | kf | some of my coworkers work with it I think |
| 09:53 | rangi | MARC 21 is one possible schema for encoding records created using RDA, but it will also be possible to encode records created using RDA in other schemas, such as MODS or Dublin Core. |
| 09:53 | according to them, MARC21 == MARC | |
| 09:54 | kf | but the closednessof that new standard is what worries me most |
| 09:54 | rangi | http://www.rda-jsc.org/rdamarcwg.html <-- this is the only working schema afaik |
| 09:55 | but yes | |
| 09:55 | 9 years | |
| 09:55 | (2004 they started) | |
| 09:55 | kf | www.rda-jsc.org/members.html |
| 09:56 | rangi | yeah theres no unimarc on that |
| 09:56 | all marc21 | |
| 09:57 | do french librarians use AACR2 ? | |
| 09:57 | kf | i don't know |
| 09:57 | rangi | cos if they dont, it couldnt imagine any benefit going to RDA |
| 09:57 | kf | i think it's all related to isbd a bit too? |
| 09:58 | rangi | who knows |
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| 09:59 | rangi | i already know way more than anyone should ever have to know about cataloguing standards |
| 10:02 | mtj | every time i attempt to understand anything about RDA, i feel i now understand less than before |
| 10:03 | alex_a_ | lol |
| 10:03 | * alex_a_ | too |
| 10:05 | rangi | yeah, i gave up |
| 10:05 | mtj | yeah… its a very strange feeling |
| 10:09 | ok, now i think i shut up… :) | |
| 10:18 | an interesting doc about UNIMARC and RDA -> http://conference.ifla.org/pas[…]35-dunsire-en.pdf | |
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| 11:22 | jcamins | rangi: no, UNIMARCers do not use AACR2. |
| 11:24 | kf | oh no |
| 11:25 | not about the unimarcers | |
| 11:25 | i just imported our fast add framework into koha 3.12 | |
| 11:25 | and all my hidden fields didn't get imported at all | |
| 11:25 | jcamins | Sounds like a bug. |
| 11:25 | kf | oh yeah |
| 11:25 | big bad bug | |
| 11:26 | hm actually it might be an export problem | |
| 11:27 | jcamins | Viktor: you had asked at some point about a way to scan items at high speed at some point. What did you want that feature for? |
| 11:27 | kf | my fast add tempalte is broken... missing all the fields |
| 11:28 | ok, the big bad bug is on me... but I don't understand how it happened, i am quite sure I did only hide fields I didn'twant | |
| 11:29 | but... where do I have a working framework. hm. | |
| 11:33 | jcamins | Myshkin was just cheated. :( There was a bird on the window sill, and as soon as he got close it flew away. |
| 11:33 | So unfair. | |
| 11:33 | * kf | nods |
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| 12:20 | kf | hm |
| 12:21 | should the copy number be counting up when you use the add multiple items thing? | |
| 12:23 | jcamins | kf: that'd be a neat feature. |
| 12:29 | kf | i thought it used to do that |
| 12:29 | hm. | |
| 12:30 | jcamins | I don't recall it doing that, but I've often wished it did. |
| 12:30 | kf | well the bug is filed :) |
| 12:31 | Viktor | jcamins The high speed scanning was to make shure you don't have to wait for the system as much. Scan at your pace and let the system work at it's own pace. We'd rather wait a bit at the end than wait for every barcode scanned. |
| 12:32 | jcamins | Viktor: Okay, the offline circ would not meet your needs. |
| 12:32 | Viktor | jcamins I do still think we will need it but I will try to benchmark scanning with Plack enabled for the staff interface before developing anything new. |
| 12:33 | kf | Viktor: I think watiting at the end can take a lot longer because of the problems being missed |
| 12:33 | Viktor | jcamins No. At least I don't think so. It's for those days when you have a class of 20 kids with ten books each and you have to work the fastest you can. |
| 12:33 | kf | or just simple things like a popup for the materials note |
| 12:33 | *shrug* | |
| 12:34 | bug 10245 | |
| 12:34 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10245 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, chrish, Needs Signoff , OPAC items table CSS classes |
| 12:34 | kf | bug 10346 |
| 12:34 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10346 trivial, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , "Add multiple copies" should be labelled "Add multiple items" |
| 12:34 | kf | bug 10347 |
| 12:34 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10347 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , Deactivate "Add item" button when "Add multiple copies" was activated |
| 12:34 | jcamins | Viktor: the only reason the offline circ wouldn't work is that there's an extra step at the end where you have to approve your transactions. |
| 12:35 | Viktor | kf Thing is it's easy to miss stuff just because the staff scan while looking at the barcodes and scan a bunch of books before finding out that an earlier one lit up a box that requires handling. |
| 12:35 | kf | hm i am just not sure.... we were always trained to wait for the ils to confirm the checkout :) |
| 12:35 | I jobbed a bit at a busy public library and in an academic while in library school | |
| 12:36 | it's probably me :) I have heard that so often that I wouldn't dare ignore the system :) | |
| 12:37 | it will be interesting to see how the idea turns out :) | |
| 12:38 | Viktor | kf Thing is these guys have taken to their heart that you can change stuff in Koha and they don't like to have to wait for every single book. So I'm trying to build a workflow based on people not training them to base their workflow on the system :) |
| 12:38 | Interesting disussion about RDA! | |
| 12:38 | kf | Viktor: that makes a lot of sense .) |
| 12:38 | jcamins | Viktor: the workflow problem is not about the technology, though, it's about the policies. |
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| 12:39 | Viktor | I would love to see RDA implemented since we are switching in Sweden too. But RDF does seem a little more exciting to me I have to confess. |
| 12:39 | jcamins - True! | |
| 12:39 | jcamins | If you had a universal policy for circulation, a batch mode would be easy. |
| 12:40 | But if you have ten rules related to every single issue, they have to be checked after every issue. | |
| 12:40 | Viktor | jcamins - But it's often perceived as technology "The system requires us to do it this way". But people find their own ways :) |
| 12:40 | jcamins | Otherwise the librarians will be all unhappy because the system let them check out a book it shouldn't. |
| 12:40 | Viktor | jcamins - I have a correction to make! |
| 12:41 | It's not a batch module per se. | |
| 12:41 | The workflow should still be the same. | |
| 12:42 | Just that when you scan to fast for the system to keep up you'll get a barcode queue. | |
| 12:42 | jcamins | I know. |
| 12:42 | Viktor | Ah, sorry :) |
| 12:42 | jcamins | But in order to then keep up with what I assume will be a very complex circulation policy, you'll have to tell all the librarians to go through pile of books twice. |
| 12:42 | Once to check them out, once to check that they were checked out. | |
| 12:44 | Viktor | I will ponder that a bit since it might be a complication. But the experience should be very nearly the same as before. Just that you will not "lose scannings" the way the sometimes do today. |
| 12:45 | jcamins | You'll still lose scans, just in a different way. |
| 12:45 | Viktor | If someone scans a few books and discovers a problem with the first one it's possible to forget to rescan the following books. |
| 12:45 | Hmm. | |
| 12:46 | jcamins | Instead of losing scans because you didn't pay attention to the alert, you'll lose scans because there are no usable alerts. |
| 12:47 | Viktor | Thats not the thought - my thought is that every problem should light up a persistent alert that you will have to handle before being able to end the transaction and print a receipt. |
| 12:47 | * jcamins | still thinks that the solution would cause way more problems than it would solve. |
| 12:47 | Viktor | I'm sorry but I'll have to be going soon. |
| 12:48 | Noted :) | |
| 12:48 | I'll think about it. | |
| 12:48 | * kf | hands Viktor cookies to make him still like us |
| 12:48 | Viktor | LOL thanks :) |
| 12:49 | If I create a mockup, a little animations, an RFC or something -will you guys have a look at it. | |
| 12:49 | ? | |
| 12:49 | jcamins | Sure. |
| 12:49 | Viktor | Great! |
| 12:50 | Thanks for the input! I'll have to be off. | |
| 12:53 | tcohen | morning #koha |
| 12:54 | * kf | has a bug filing frenzy |
| 12:54 | kf | good morning tcohen :) |
| 12:55 | tcohen | hi kf |
| 12:55 | kf | 10245 - 10251 |
| 12:55 | wahanui | -6 |
| 12:56 | kf | fix them while they are fresh! |
| 12:56 | :P | |
| 13:00 | hmm | |
| 13:01 | that | |
| 13:01 | is not good | |
| 13:02 | tcohen | which ones kf? |
| 13:02 | kf | catalouging search is broken |
| 13:03 | well the cataloguing log search | |
| 13:03 | because one time we store itemnumber as object and the other time the bilbionumber | |
| 13:03 | which creates a mess I think | |
| 13:04 | tcohen | there was a bug for that |
| 13:05 | kf | this is a fresh out of the box 3.12 installation... |
| 13:05 | if there was a bug, we fixed it wrong. | |
| 13:05 | :( | |
| 13:10 | or i don't know - i guess we should not mix itemnumber/biblionumber in the same field | |
| 13:10 | bug 10352 | |
| 13:11 | tcohen | i'm loving 7883 |
| 13:11 | kf | bug 7883 |
| 13:11 | tcohen | wizzyrea++ |
| 13:11 | kf | guess i have tortured wahanui enough :) |
| 13:11 | aah | |
| 13:11 | why wizzyrea? :) | |
| 13:13 | tcohen | didn't she provide the patch? |
| 13:13 | or was libsysguy? | |
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| 13:18 | jcamins | tcohen: I think you're thinking of the circulation log, which was fied by someone at BibLibre. |
| 13:19 | tcohen | hm, I guess you're right |
| 13:35 | jcamins: would you use Class::Accessor fr a new Koha class? | |
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| 13:44 | tcohen | do 6413 add a new column to accountlines? |
| 13:44 | s/do/does/ | |
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| 13:47 | tcohen | there was that Explosions in the sky album, from 2007 |
| 13:47 | what was it called?... hmmm | |
| 13:48 | oh, I remember: "All of a Sudden I Miss Everyone" :-P | |
| 13:48 | kf | bug 6413 |
| 13:48 | wahanui? | |
| 13:48 | wahanui | kf? |
| 13:49 | tcohen | it doesn't kf. i've just read it, thanks anyway |
| 13:51 | kf | wondering why the bot didn't show the bug :) |
| 13:51 | jcamins | tcohen: I would, yes. |
| 13:52 | tcohen | is bug 6413 a bugfix? |
| 13:52 | jcamins | kf: because huginn is the one who shows bugs, and huginn is offline. |
| 13:52 | kf | huginn! |
| 13:52 | gmcharlt is too | |
| 13:52 | should we be worried? | |
| 13:52 | * kf | is worried. |
| 13:53 | files another bug then | |
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| 14:01 | tcohen | do we have jqplot in the codebase oleonard? |
| 14:08 | i think 6413 is wrong | |
| 14:10 | doesn't fix the weirdness | |
| 14:14 | jcamins | tcohen: it's a holiday in the US so oleonard probably won't be around today. |
| 14:14 | tcohen | oh, I didn't notice, thanks jcamisn! |
| 14:24 | jcamins, are koha plugins re-usable through several instances? | |
| 14:24 | I see the placeholder in the koha-conf.xml file is not correctly filled (the one fr the plugin dir) | |
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| 15:05 | tcohen | magnus_away? |
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| 15:10 | jenkins_koha | Starting build #47 for job Koha_3.12.x (previous build: SUCCESS) |
| 15:15 | tcohen | how long will it take jenkins_koha? |
| 15:17 | jcamins | About an hour. |
| 15:18 | tcohen: no. | |
| 15:18 | tcohen | about what jcamins? |
| 15:18 | jcamins | Plugins. |
| 15:18 | wahanui | plugins are just enabled or disabled with Wordpress, aren't they? |
| 15:19 | jcamins | They are per-instance. |
| 15:19 | tcohen | i found bug 9890 |
| 15:19 | i'm providing a missing followup | |
| 15:20 | for koha-create-dirs and koha-create | |
| 15:20 | jcamins | Oh, did I miss pushing it? |
| 15:20 | tcohen | no, i understand there wasn't a patch for some missing bits |
| 15:22 | am i right jcamins? | |
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| 15:35 | msaby | hello #koha |
| 15:35 | tcohen | hi msaby |
| 15:35 | IRC its kindof mute today | |
| 15:36 | msaby | our dev made a new nice improvement in javascript to acq page ;-)) twitpic.com/ctn98n |
| 15:36 | tcohen | the dashboard? |
| 15:36 | msaby | If I have time I will try to "perlish" that |
| 15:36 | wahanui | well, the dashboard is at http://dashboard.koha-community.org/ |
| 15:37 | jcamins | tcohen: you are right, yes. |
| 15:39 | msaby | tcohen: a dashboard for acquisitions. it uses the login of the librarian |
| 15:40 | * tcohen | heads to resuming its work on koha-create |
| 15:40 | msaby | tcohen: and we hightlight the negative budgets in red |
| 15:41 | christophe_c left #koha | |
| 15:41 | tcohen | interesting msaby, our librarians will start using acq once i manage to teach them |
| 15:42 | i usually introduce new features prior to new version deployments | |
| 15:43 | acq will be our 3.12 highlighted feature | |
| 15:47 | msaby | tcohen: we also made some i |
| 15:48 | some improvement to baskets and baskets groups display | |
| 15:51 | jenkins_koha | Project Koha_3.12.x build #47: SUCCESS in 41 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]b/Koha_3.12.x/47/ |
| 15:51 | Owen Leonard: Bug 10261: Link to patron files missing from circ-menu.tt | |
| 15:58 | gaetan_B | bye ! |
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| 18:18 | jcamins | Alas, once again kf leaves right before I have a German question. |
| 18:19 | drojf: Berichte über Leben und Kunst <-- is it fair to translate "Berichte" as "Review"? | |
| 18:21 | drojf | jcamins: i think it is more like "report" |
| 18:21 | but it depends on what is actually in there :) | |
| 18:21 | jcamins | drojf: I'm trying to understand what "report" means in this context. |
| 18:22 | The Hungarian translates as "report" too, but that doesn't really help much since I don't know any Hungarian, so I can't tell what it's about. | |
| 18:23 | But in English we probably wouldn't publish a journal called "reports," so I was hoping maybe the German also meant review. :) | |
| 18:23 | drojf | looks like "account" also has this kind of meaning. at least leo tells me that, i wasn't familiar with it |
| 18:24 | jcamins | Ah-ha! I think I've figured it out. So I could probably call it an assessment? |
| 18:24 | Or evaluation? | |
| 18:24 | drojf | i think it is more an "erzählung" kind of "bericht! something like this http://dict.leo.org/ende/?lp=e[…]wordShowSingle=on |
| 18:24 | in a less fairytale-y way | |
| 18:25 | it could be an evaluation too | |
| 18:25 | jcamins | I love these Hungarian things that I have to ask for German help on. :/ |
| 18:25 | drojf | it's hard to say really without knowing the contents |
| 18:25 | lol | |
| 18:26 | i bet hungarian is a nice language to learn too | |
| 18:27 | isn't it 'git checkout -b newbranchname origin/master' ? | |
| 18:27 | * drojf | is confused |
| 18:28 | jcamins | Yes. |
| 18:28 | Unless you don't call your remote origin. | |
| 18:28 | Or if you don't want a branch based on master. | |
| 18:29 | drojf | it's probably different for b2g/firefox os, but i am really sure this is exactly how i did it last time. and it worked. |
| 18:29 | jcamins | What are you doing? |
| 18:30 | drojf | trying to make the web browser on my phone use duckduckgo instead of google |
| 18:30 | jcamins | That requires git? |
| 18:31 | * jcamins | thinks that possibly Firefox OS is not ready for primetime. |
| 18:31 | drojf | if you want to build it, yes. there is no obvious option to change it in the settings at this point |
| 18:31 | definitely not ready | |
| 18:32 | but i finally managed to build the latest version so i'd like to play a bit more with it ;) there is probably some settings file that i could just search on the phone but where is the fun in that? | |
| 18:33 | jcamins | drojf: I'm pretty sure that's the reasoning of everyone who decides to use the tarball and zebraqueue_daemon. |
| 18:34 | drojf | lol i guess you are right |
| 18:35 | maximep | hey khall, is t/db_dependent/Holds.t in bug 9394 meant to replace t/db_dependent/Reserves.t ? |
| 18:37 | drojf | AH! i was in the wrong folder and setup a branch just for gaia. no idea how to get rid of that or if it matters, but in the correct folder everything works ok |
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| 19:25 | drojf | ok. it keeps wifi when it goes into standby and searches duckduckgo via https instead of google. got to add "firefox os developer" to my business card :P |
| 19:26 | adam_m | Hello |
| 19:27 | drojf | hi adam_m |
| 19:27 | adam_m | I recently installed Koha, and have just been playing around with it before we actually start using it. |
| 19:27 | drojf | cool. i hope you like it |
| 19:27 | adam_m | I have added a library and added a few books, but it seems that the accounds i created cannot take any books out |
| 19:28 | It says there arent any available or whatnot. Is there something im missing when I add the actual book, such as the number of them to add? | |
| 19:30 | And yes so far it seems like quite a good fit for our small rural school district | |
| 19:30 | drojf | have you set a default rule for circulation? and have you added items to the biblios? |
| 19:30 | jcamins | adam_m: you need to do two things for it to work: 1) you must be creating items. 2) you must set up a default rule for circulation. |
| 19:30 | ... and drojf already answered. | |
| 19:30 | jinx. | |
| 19:30 | drojf | ha! |
| 19:30 | first time ever i was faster than jcamins :) | |
| 19:30 | adam_m | ah ok, that could be it, no i didn't make a rule for ciculation |
| 19:31 | * drojf | makes a note in the calendar |
| 19:32 | drojf | jcamins: is that really used?? (1) http://www.urbandictionary.com[…]ine.php?term=haus |
| 19:32 | adam_m | thanks, hopefully this works :) |
| 19:33 | maximep | adam_m: this page http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Newbie_guide can be very useful at first |
| 19:34 | adam_m | Perfect, thanks! |
| 19:35 | jcamins | drojf: never heard of that. |
| 19:36 | drojf | jcamins: i wonder how it is pronounced :D |
| 19:36 | jcamins | Probably "haus." :P |
| 19:36 | drojf | heh |
| 19:37 | (2) is completely wrong btw | |
| 19:39 | jcamins | drojf: can "gewidmet" be used to refer to what you do when you sign a book to give to someone? |
| 19:39 | drojf | absolutely! |
| 19:40 | hm. or… | |
| 19:40 | language. think about it a second and all or nothing is possible | |
| 19:40 | lol | |
| 19:40 | jcamins | I'll take that first response. |
| 19:41 | It's actually Yiddish that I'm looking at. | |
| 19:41 | drojf | no on a second thought… i thjink it can only be gewidmet by the author, like "dedicated to". but now i'm not sure you meant that |
| 19:42 | jcamins | Ooh. |
| 19:42 | That complicates things. | |
| 19:42 | drojf | sorry ;) |
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| 19:43 | drojf | woah i got wortfindungsstörungen |
| 19:47 | * druthb | stuffs drojf into Google Translate. |
| 19:47 | drojf | there is a different word i am looking for but i can't come up with it. that's ridiculous. anyway i really think a widmung implies it is done by the author, not a person giving away the book |
| 19:49 | druthb: that feels weird :D | |
| 19:50 | cait | hmm |
| 19:50 | druthb | :P |
| 19:51 | * cait | thinks about the word too now |
| 19:51 | cait | jcamins: he is right, normally you would use it as 'dedicated to' |
| 19:55 | drojf | i asked a bookseller friend and she says she knows no other word for it than widmung/gewidmet. maybe i made up that i know another word |
| 19:56 | cait | i think i know what you think about |
| 19:56 | but can't thnk of the word | |
| 19:56 | the things you glue into books? | |
| 19:57 | drojf | glue?? |
| 19:57 | wahanui | it has been said that glue is stil drying. |
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| 19:58 | drojf | jcamins: do you have some more context for us? |
| 20:00 | cait | good morning kathryn |
| 20:01 | kathryn | evening cait |
| 20:01 | @wunder wellington,nz | |
| 20:01 | hmmn I've forgotten something - it's chilly! | |
| 20:04 | cait | here too :) |
| 20:04 | drojf | jcamins: so, after discussing it with a friend and asking google, in the end i'd say my first response was the correct one and i invented the existence of another word. ;) |
| 20:04 | cait | @wunder Konstanz |
| 20:05 | huginn.... | |
| 20:05 | wahanui | i guess huginn is a bot, not a person. |
| 20:05 | kathryn | hehe |
| 20:05 | drojf | (you are probably way past that book by now) |
| 20:07 | cait: our language is complicated | |
| 20:07 | or it's just my brain… | |
| 20:09 | cait | nope |
| 20:09 | it's german | |
| 20:09 | what did you expect? | |
| 20:09 | germs? | |
| 20:09 | wahanui | Germs originated in Germany, before rapidly spreading throughout the rest of the world. |
| 20:14 | druthb | ! |
| 20:15 | * druthb | blames cait! |
| 20:22 | jcamins | drojf: yay! |
| 20:22 | drojf: actually, I've been battling that book for hours. | |
| 20:25 | cait | must be worth the time then :) |
| 20:27 | drojf | jcamins: sounds like fun :) |
| 20:27 | cait | ok |
| 20:27 | someone tell me to hit that *Pay* button please | |
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| 20:31 | tcohen | hi rangi |
| 20:33 | @seen rangi | |
| 20:36 | #koha, i've been told invitation letters were sent for people applying for their US visas | |
| 20:36 | cait | tcohen: did you get an email confirming your registration? |
| 20:36 | i am still waiting and getting a bit worried | |
| 20:37 | tcohen | registration? |
| 20:37 | cait | for kohacon :) |
| 20:37 | or were you talking about something else? | |
| 20:37 | tcohen | until i0m not sure i can enter US soil i cannot register |
| 20:37 | cait | i might be confused |
| 20:37 | oh | |
| 20:38 | guess it's a little easier from europe :( | |
| 20:38 | tcohen | if i had the money i'd made my reservation already |
| 20:38 | but my boss told me "get your visa, then we talk" | |
| 20:39 | i'mflying tonight to buenos aires | |
| 20:39 | i'll know on wednesday | |
| 20:39 | if i get the visa | |
| 20:40 | cait | fingers crossed! |
| 20:45 | wizzyrea | @wunder nzwn |
| 20:46 | drojf | huginn should teach wahanui some of the tricks… |
| 20:46 | wizzyrea | ah is huginn gone awol |
| 20:46 | cait | yeah :( |
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| 21:07 | rangi | what this |
| 21:08 | watch even | |
| 21:08 | wahanui: seen rangi? | |
| 21:08 | wahanui | rangi was last seen on #koha 0 seconds ago, saying: wahanui: seen rangi? [Mon May 27 21:08:09 2013] |
| 21:08 | rangi | wahanui already knows that trick |
| 21:08 | wahanui | rangi: i'm not following you... |
| 21:08 | rangi | karma for rangi |
| 21:08 | wahanui | rangi has karma of 575 |
| 21:08 | rangi | that trick too |
| 21:08 | drojf | cool! |
| 21:10 | cait | karma for drofj? |
| 21:10 | wahanui | drofj has neutral karma |
| 21:11 | cait | karma for drojf |
| 21:11 | wahanui | drojf has karma of 96 |
| 21:11 | tcohen | welcome back wahanui |
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| 21:28 | maximep | poll: bug or feature that it's possible to create holds on holidays |
| 21:28 | cait | ? |
| 21:29 | do you mean with hold date in the future? | |
| 21:29 | maximep | yes |
| 21:29 | cait | hm |
| 21:29 | wizzyrea | pass |
| 21:29 | cait | maybe not intentional but it seems not evil |
| 21:29 | i mean it' smeans just that the hold will take effect then, right? | |
| 21:29 | maximep | *see results* :P |
| 21:29 | cait | nto that you get it exactly on that day |
| 21:29 | wizzyrea | ^^ |
| 21:30 | maximep | hmmm good point |
| 21:30 | cait | if I understand the feature correctly - we aren't using it so far |
| 21:30 | rangi | ok off to meetings |
| 21:30 | wizzyrea | glhf :) |
| 21:31 | maximep | working on a feature to have repeating holds, so i'm deep in that code right now |
| 21:31 | wizzyrea | interesting. fix it while you're at it. |
| 21:31 | maximep | haha |
| 21:31 | cait | maximep: i think marcelr has done work in that area |
| 21:32 | not sure if you interfere with each other or not | |
| 21:32 | what does a repeating hold do? | |
| 21:32 | and how many crazy hold schemes are out there? | |
| 21:32 | maximep | my code is very dependant on the patches by khall to have multiple reserves for the same user |
| 21:32 | well, something as simple as | |
| 21:33 | borrowing a tv every monday from 10 to 12 for the next 4 months | |
| 21:34 | wizzyrea | don't you really want a calendar for that kind of thing? |
| 21:34 | maximep | our clients are starting to use koha to manage more than just their books |
| 21:34 | yes, it will be a future feature | |
| 21:34 | wizzyrea | no I meant, external to koha :P |
| 21:35 | maximep | they were using other apps to do it |
| 21:35 | but they want to just use koha for everything | |
| 21:35 | * tcohen | flies away, literally |
| 21:36 | cait | :) |
| 21:36 | maximep: maybe it would be worth to have that feature separate from the holds system somehow? | |
| 21:36 | wizzyrea | what she said. |
| 21:36 | cait | i can only imagine i tmakes something overly complicated even more complicated :) |
| 21:36 | eythian | hi |
| 21:36 | wahanui | bidet, eythian |
| 21:37 | maximep | there would be so much code and features duplication |
| 21:37 | wizzyrea | plugin :P |
| 21:37 | cait | hi eythian |
| 21:40 | ah | |
| 21:40 | looks like you are far already | |
| 21:40 | maximep | nah, that's only a few hours |
| 21:41 | for now it just AddReserves everything when u place the hold | |
| 21:41 | well, more like 65 hours -_- | |
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| 22:11 | cait | good night all |
| 22:11 | drojf | good night cait |
| 22:13 | maximep | gn |
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| 22:40 | jcamins | I don't know, there is a certain logic to having recurring holds in Koha. Assuming that it's for something that you check out. |
| 22:42 | Like, every year Professor Smith places a hold on Film A for May 15. | |
| 22:43 | I'm not so sure about using it for the tech carts, though. | |
| 22:46 | Shari asks if anyone knows of any software projects that do a good job selling themselves on their website. | |
| 22:46 | eythian | there probably are some |
| 22:46 | I can't think of examples off the top of my head | |
| 22:46 | jcamins | eythian: yeah, that's what I said. "I'm sure there are some." |
| 22:47 | eythian | http://handbrake.fr/ <-- you mean stuff like this? |
| 22:47 | http://httpd.apache.org/ <-- as opposed to stuff like this | |
| 22:47 | jcamins | Yeah, exactly. |
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| 22:48 | eythian | the bigger end-user ones, like firefox and stuff probably count |
| 22:49 | wizzyrea | firefox has quite a big brand/marketing |
| 22:49 | which reminds me that I really meant to re-do the website. | |
| 22:49 | meant/mean | |
| 22:49 | but the server is in flux so... | |
| 22:49 | really probably no point right now. | |
| 22:50 | jcamins | As long as you change it on the new server, doesn't seem like it would be a problem? |
| 22:51 | wizzyrea | heh, that kind of depends on whether we even get upload permissions |
| 22:51 | they had been messed up for a while | |
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| 23:46 | jcamins | If you needed a bug tracker for a new project, which one would you use? |
| 23:47 | wizzyrea | oh boy. |
| 23:48 | in all truth? | |
| 23:48 | probably github's | |
| 23:48 | because people can attach pull requests to bugs | |
| 23:48 | jcamins | You know, you're the second person to say that. |
| 23:48 | I didn't even know Github had one. | |
| 23:49 | wizzyrea | well I'd just run the project through github |
| 23:49 | their tools are quite good | |
| 23:49 | * jcamins | had no idea. |
| 23:53 | jcamins | Github wins. |
| 23:54 | wizzyrea | what's the project? ;) |
| 23:55 | jcamins | biblionarrator, of course! |
| 23:55 | wizzyrea | oh of course :) |
| 23:56 | jcamins | Shari is testing. |
| 23:56 | dcook joined #koha | |
| 23:57 | jcamins | And finding scads of bugs. :( |
| 23:57 | dcook | morning #koha |
| 23:58 | wizzyrea | that's good though |
| 23:58 | jcamins | Very good. :) |
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