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| Time | Nick | Message |
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| 00:00 | dcook | Hmm. Knew it was a big party, but didn't know it was particularly in regards to Québecois nationalism... |
| 00:00 | I might not be that welcome in that case :p | |
| 00:12 | gml | hi, anyone could help me with a zebra and authorities issue plz? |
| 00:28 | trea | anyone around to answer questions about z39.50 search fields? |
| 00:29 | dcook | trea: Possibly. Depends on the question :p |
| 00:29 | trea | raw (any) - what does this refer to in the search window? |
| 00:29 | dcook | 1=1016 |
| 00:29 | * trea | doesn't understand the answer. |
| 00:30 | dcook | Fair enough. I'm trying to think of how to rephrase it |
| 00:30 | trea | where's deep thought when i need him |
| 00:30 | dcook | So 1016 is the Bib-1 attribute (found in bib1.attr), which is linked up with the label "Any" in ccl.properties, I believe |
| 00:31 | In terms of the marc fields included in this Any index...records.abs might say... | |
| 00:31 | * dcook | takes a quick peek |
| 00:31 | dcook | Although only for GRS-1 indexing, I think |
| 00:31 | trea | so for dom it doesn't apply |
| 00:35 | dcook | Not sure |
| 00:35 | I'll be back with you in a sec | |
| 00:35 | Just on the phone :) | |
| 00:39 | biblio-koha-indexdefs.xml looks like records.abs equivalent | |
| 00:40 | biblio-zebra-indexdefs.xsl references the Any index | |
| 00:41 | I haven't done much with DOM indexing, but it looks like every text node goes into the Any index | |
| 00:42 | Any yeah, in ccl.properties (around lines 60-61), you'll see that "Any" and "kw" are linked with 1=1016 (the bib-1 attribute) | |
| 00:42 | trea: Does that clarify things at all? lol. I can try to explain further if it doesn't | |
| 00:55 | bag | yeah but remember these are search terms in the z3950 to search other sites - not your own koha |
| 00:55 | the words on this page…. z3950_search.pl | |
| 00:55 | http://git.koha-community.org/[…]e283171c4;hb=HEAD | |
| 00:56 | dcook | Mmm, I thought the question was about searching Koha |
| 00:56 | bag | raw (any) sounds like it should be search 101 attribute number |
| 00:56 | dcook | As for remote z3950 targets...yeah...it's always going to depend on how they index |
| 00:56 | bag | not 101 1016 |
| 00:57 | my 6 key is sticky for some reason | |
| 00:57 | dcook | ? |
| 00:57 | Ah | |
| 00:57 | Yeah, raw (any) is totally 1016 | |
| 00:57 | bag | ok what's the 1016 attribute in record.abs? |
| 00:57 | * dcook | has turned z3950.search inside and out |
| 00:57 | bag | do you have that handy |
| 00:57 | dcook | I do have that handy |
| 00:57 | "all any" | |
| 00:57 | :p | |
| 00:58 | bag | damn same here :P |
| 00:58 | http://www.loc.gov/z3950/agency/defns/bib1.html | |
| 00:58 | alright so basically that's our broad broad keyword search | |
| 00:58 | dcook | Yeah, that site is pretty good. |
| 00:58 | bag | anything that is indexed in any we appear here |
| 00:58 | dcook | http://www.loc.gov/z3950/agency/bib1.html provides more detail |
| 00:59 | The record is selected if there | |
| 00:59 | exists a Use attribute that the | |
| 00:59 | target supports (and considers | |
| 00:59 | appropriate - see note 1) such | |
| 00:59 | that the record would be | |
| 00:59 | selected if the target were to | |
| 00:59 | substitute that attribute. | |
| 01:00 | bag | so ANY basically is anything that that Z3950 site is indexing into the ANY index - will return in the raw (any) field |
| 01:00 | dcook | Yup |
| 01:00 | But it's not 100% certain what that is | |
| 01:00 | bag | yeah I wrote that for trea _lunching's benefit :P |
| 01:01 | welcome back talljoy | |
| 01:01 | tcohen | any spanish speaker around? |
| 01:01 | talljoy | thanks bag. |
| 01:01 | dcook | According to this bib-1 spec, it seems possible that only access points would be indexed in Any |
| 01:01 | But whether access points is a generic term or is a aacr2/rda term isn't entirely clear.. | |
| 01:01 | bag | how was Pythagoras talljoy |
| 01:02 | talljoy | he was awesome. check out the picture on facebook |
| 01:02 | bag | yeah I like my lame def dcook :) |
| 01:02 | yeah I saw it talljoy and liked it :) and shared it with Sonja | |
| 01:02 | talljoy | ha! |
| 01:10 | dcook | bag: The following link exlains "all any" in records.abs http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]ng_Zebra_indexing |
| 01:10 | explains* | |
| 01:11 | In Koha, "all any" seems to basically be a word (rather than phrase) index that includes all the other indexes | |
| 01:11 | Well, all the other word indexes | |
| 01:11 | So for grs-1, "any" doesn't include every element from the record | |
| 01:11 | Rather, just every indexed element | |
| 01:11 | Whereas with Dom indexing, "any" literally includes every text node from the record | |
| 01:11 | So every element | |
| 01:12 | But, again, with remote targets...it really depends on how they index things. | |
| 01:13 | Reading LoC's bib-1 spec again...the grs-1 method isn't that bizarre. The idea is that "Any" should be important fields, whereas "Anywhere" should be absolutely every element in a record | |
| 01:14 | Hmm. Cool. | |
| 01:15 | * dcook | listens to more space music and tries to figure out why tcpdf's examples only work if you clear the output buffer first... |
| 01:16 | dcook | AHHH |
| 01:16 | So obviouis | |
| 01:16 | obvious* | |
| 01:16 | edveal joined #koha | |
| 01:16 | dcook | My debugging messages were causing TCPDF to fail...durr |
| 01:17 | * dcook | waves to druthb |
| 01:17 | * druthb | waves to dcook |
| 01:19 | eythian | http://youtu.be/0EyfEDKWscg <-- wow |
| 01:20 | mtompset | Greetings, dcook druthb talljoy bag tcohen trea eythian and whoever else I missed. :) |
| 01:20 | tcohen | hi mtompset |
| 01:21 | talljoy | hi mtompset |
| 01:21 | dcook | hey ya mtompset |
| 01:22 | druthb | hi, mtompset! :) |
| 01:22 | dcook | eythian: Whoa... |
| 01:22 | talljoy | hi druthb!!! |
| 01:23 | druthb | hi, talljoy! :D |
| 01:23 | talljoy | how's life in houston? |
| 01:26 | dcook | eythian: That's really quite amazing |
| 01:26 | eythian | it is a bit |
| 01:30 | mtompset | Wow is right. Is it doctored? |
| 01:30 | gml | since when you people became so arrogant? is this now a private club? |
| 01:31 | dcook | O_o |
| 01:31 | rangi | wtf was that about? |
| 01:31 | eythian | no one was answering his question I think. |
| 01:31 | Probably because no one knew the answer. | |
| 01:32 | rangi | oh |
| 01:32 | cjh | or the question. |
| 01:32 | wahanui | the question is "What is the meaning of life, the universe and everything?" |
| 01:32 | rangi | ah yeah he didnt actually ask a question |
| 01:32 | cjh | 42 |
| 01:32 | eythian | <gml> After testing authorities query (auth_finder.pl), there are some entries which cannot be found in web GUI. how can I correct this? |
| 01:33 | rangi | ahh, didnt even see that |
| 01:33 | dcook | Huh, I think that was before I got there |
| 01:33 | cjh | I only saw his most recent question, that makes more sense. |
| 01:33 | rangi | yeah |
| 01:33 | dcook | <gml> hi, anyone could help me with a zebra and authorities issue plz? |
| 01:33 | rangi | yeah |
| 01:33 | talljoy | i think he asked at the witching hour between 'koha shifts' :-) |
| 01:33 | cjh | heh |
| 01:33 | rangi | entitlement much? |
| 01:33 | talljoy | between when california drops off and NZ kicks in |
| 01:34 | dcook | rangi: Indeed |
| 01:34 | cjh | either way, getting angry isn't going to solve the problem. |
| 01:34 | rangi | that may be our first ragequit |
| 01:35 | dcook | In hindsight, I did see the question, but was a bit too busy at that moment to engage |
| 01:35 | Tcpdf errors and all.. | |
| 01:35 | rangi | i still dont know the answer |
| 01:35 | dcook | I don't even really understand the question |
| 01:35 | rangi | or actually i dont understand the question |
| 01:35 | that | |
| 01:36 | dcook | Nor do I feel obligated to pry out a question from someone who asks a vague question and then disappears before the ragequit |
| 01:43 | mtompset | Well, he did ask 3 times over 3-4 hours. |
| 01:43 | druthb answered part of his mibbit issues. | |
| 01:43 | eythian | wahanui: mean is <reply>http://media.tumblr.com/d81c25[…]1r0tcyxo2_250.gif |
| 01:43 | wahanui | OK, eythian. |
| 01:43 | mtompset | and the other two times, well, others came along asked a question, and it looked like his was ignored. |
| 01:44 | trea | i've asked plenty of questions in #koha, and been met with only crickets. |
| 01:44 | i never took it personally | |
| 01:44 | rangi | i guess we are more used to irc is the problem |
| 01:44 | mtompset | Yes, you have to have a thick skin sometimes. ;) |
| 01:45 | rangi | not so much a thick skin |
| 01:45 | realistic expectations of what a bunch of volunteers who may or may not actually be at the computers can offer you | |
| 01:45 | mtompset | well, not take things personally. |
| 01:45 | * trea | is still waiting for his private club card. |
| 01:45 | trea | :P |
| 01:45 | rangi | i do think a lot of users think we get paid to be here or something |
| 01:46 | eythian | trea: you didn't get your card? |
| 01:46 | Ooh, this is awkward | |
| 01:46 | trea | D: |
| 01:46 | dcook | rangi: true as |
| 01:46 | mtompset | That would be an example of an unrealistic expectation, rangi. |
| 01:47 | dcook | Admittedly, I responded to trea's question, but that's because I've been doing a lot with z39.50 lately and I did say I was only around depending on the question :p |
| 01:47 | Which was quite straightforward | |
| 01:48 | jcamins | dcook: you were close, but not quite there with all any. :) |
| 01:48 | dcook | Darn! |
| 01:48 | trea | heh |
| 01:49 | dcook | I was wondering if you were lurking for that one ;) |
| 01:49 | What did I miss? | |
| 01:49 | jcamins | The "all" command in GRS-1 includes all previously indexed data in the specified index. |
| 01:49 | It is actually orthogonal to AACR2/RDA access points. | |
| 01:50 | It's not part of the Bib-1 spec at all. | |
| 01:50 | trea | but again, this is only applicable if you use grs1. |
| 01:51 | jcamins | Right. |
| 01:51 | dcook | Yeah, that's what I was saying |
| 01:51 | Or thought I was saying, lol | |
| 01:51 | trea | so, in the case of a dom indexed site, it shouldn't be used. |
| 01:51 | dcook | "Any" is Bib-1, but All is GRS-1 |
| 01:51 | Well "Any" is Bib-1, I guess "any" is still GRS-1 | |
| 01:51 | jcamins | Actually, GRS-1 just isn't case-sensitive. |
| 01:51 | * cjh | suddenly feels like he is the only human surrounded by martians |
| 01:52 | trea | welcome to my world |
| 01:52 | dcook | trea: "Any" is still defined in the DOM XSL -> biblio-zebra-indexdefs.xsl |
| 01:52 | I believe | |
| 01:52 | jcamins: So that "any", it that the ccl "any"? | |
| 01:52 | jcamins | dcook: you may have said that. I just skimmed through the backlog, and your explanation of "all any" made it sound like "all any" was the command, which could lead to you getting confused and ultimately entering a downard spiral of depression and horror as you contemplate the Bib-1 standard. |
| 01:52 | dcook | Wait, that doesn't make sense |
| 01:53 | * jcamins | has been there ^^ |
| 01:53 | dcook | Ahh, yeah, there were some frustrated Bib-1 moments last week I believe |
| 01:53 | jcamins | You start off feeling pretty good. |
| 01:54 | "I can do this," you say. "all any is the key. I can just use that index..." then it goes down-hill. | |
| 01:54 | dcook | hehe |
| 01:54 | Yeah, I saw the "all" directive here: http://www.indexdata.com/zebra/doc/grs-conf.html | |
| 01:54 | jcamins | The ccl prefixes are actually *another* set of orthogonal mappings. |
| 01:54 | trea | at the expense of being obtuse...i can or cannot use this field if i have dom indexing enabled. |
| 01:55 | jcamins | trea: any, yes, all, no. |
| 01:55 | dcook | trea: Should be all good |
| 01:55 | What he said ;) | |
| 01:55 | But as bag was saying, this only relates to searching Koha | |
| 01:55 | Searching remote Z39.50 targets is dependent on how they've indexed their data | |
| 01:55 | trea | okay, so in the case of LOC for instance |
| 01:56 | jcamins | Head's up: they might be down, if you're trying to troubleshoot searches failing. |
| 01:56 | wizzyrea | AHA |
| 01:56 | * wizzyrea | tried one earlier and it didn't work and wondered why |
| 01:56 | jcamins | ... huh. |
| 01:56 | dcook | trea: According to LoC, they certainly have it set up: http://www.loc.gov/z3950/lcserver.html |
| 01:57 | trea | honestly, no. a librarian asked why she should use these fields |
| 01:57 | eythian | there was someone asking about that on the list wasn't there? |
| 01:57 | jcamins | The FIVE MILLION messages about the Z39.50 server at LC might actually have been useful. |
| 01:57 | trea | and shockingly, since it doesn't seem to be covered in the manual, i was just trying to find an answer |
| 01:57 | dcook | For the big z3950 targets, they publish the lists of the Bib-1 attributes they support (although these aren't always accurate/comprehensive) |
| 01:58 | trea: In my opinion, using raw (any) is a really good idea | |
| 01:58 | Because chances are it's always going to be supported | |
| 01:59 | While less precise than other fields, it has the potential to capture more relevant records | |
| 01:59 | Wait, it's precision v. recall | |
| 01:59 | nix relevant | |
| 01:59 | Raw (any) gets you more records with less precision. But...you can count on it getting you something. | |
| 01:59 | So there's the value | |
| 02:00 | imho ;) | |
| 02:00 | trea | that's what i was looking for |
| 02:00 | dcook | :) |
| 02:01 | trea | now, how about the "standard id" field? |
| 02:01 | jcamins | Well... unless you have a remote that includes less in 1016 than in other fields. |
| 02:01 | No, no, don't thank me. | |
| 02:02 | trea: in principle that includes most standard IDs. | |
| 02:02 | trea | what does "ID" mean in this instance. |
| 02:03 | jcamins | So, ISBN, ISSN, CODEN, LCCN, etc. |
| 02:03 | 035. | |
| 02:03 | trea | okay, that helps |
| 02:03 | jcamins | Oh! Score numbers. |
| 02:03 | dcook | Oooo |
| 02:03 | jcamins | That's where you'd _really_ need iy. |
| 02:03 | *it | |
| 02:04 | trea | okay, jcamins. you mentioned LCCN. There is a field called "LC call number" is this the same as LCCN? |
| 02:04 | dcook | Generally speaking, if you look at the sub Z39.50search in Breeding.pm, you will see the mapping between the z39.50 search form and the bib-1 attributes |
| 02:04 | jcamins | Library of Congress Control Number. |
| 02:04 | dcook | You can then use a site like (http://www.loc.gov/z3950/agency/bib1.html) to figure out which MARC tags are included in that |
| 02:05 | (Although for Koha, you'll need to look at the Zebra config docs...) | |
| 02:05 | trea | LCCN = Library of Congress Control Number ? |
| 02:05 | dcook | (Which get less scary the more you look at them...which in itself is a different type of fear) |
| 02:05 | trea: nope | |
| 02:05 | Ack | |
| 02:05 | LCCN = Library of Congress Control Number | |
| 02:05 | Which is not the same as the LC call number | |
| 02:06 | trea | okay, that at least helps to clarify some of these fields |
| 02:07 | dcook | The call number is for storing/retrieving physical items on shelves |
| 02:07 | wizzyrea | patch for the manual! |
| 02:07 | dcook | The LCCN is an internal number that LoC uses, and which others can use to find books in the LoC catalogue |
| 02:08 | Some books have them published on the back of the title page | |
| 02:08 | Although usually they're just 8 digit numbers which may or may not be separated by a space or hyphen | |
| 02:08 | The really old ones might only be 7 digits...in which case you need to add a 0...I think at the start | |
| 02:08 | * dcook | used to catalogue a lot of old(ish) books. Yes, that (ish) qualification is for you jcamins :p |
| 02:08 | dcook | wizzyrea! |
| 02:08 | wahanui | wizzyrea is a fan of selecting hunks for committing. |
| 02:08 | jcamins | dcook: and sometimes letters. |
| 02:09 | * wizzyrea | looks towards trea - i'm dang good at it too. |
| 02:09 | dcook | Really? Xs and such? |
| 02:09 | trea | <- committed |
| 02:09 | dcook | hehe |
| 02:09 | jcamins | No, 'n's and sometimes... 's's? |
| 02:09 | wizzyrea | ^.^ |
| 02:10 | jcamins | Aaaand... something several letters long. |
| 02:10 | Ah. n/nb/nr/no/sh/sj/sp | |
| 02:10 | Wait, wrong table. | |
| 02:11 | I'm not keying all these options in. | |
| 02:11 | Take my word, there are a lot. | |
| 02:11 | http://www.loc.gov/marc/lccn_s[…]cture.html#prefix | |
| 02:12 | trea | and finally, the control number field is the 001? |
| 02:12 | jcamins | 010 |
| 02:13 | trea | sorry, right. 010 |
| 02:14 | jcamins | And I recommend you not ask about the repeated years when they were using 2-digit numbers. The knowledge that they differentiated the years by starting at a higher serial number is enough to give anyone a headache. |
| 02:14 | trea | okay, thanks for the elucidation. |
| 02:14 | jcamins++ | |
| 02:14 | dcook++ | |
| 02:14 | yeah, i'm going to stop while i'm ahead | |
| 02:14 | dcook | hehe |
| 02:15 | Hope I helped and didn't overwhelm. The more I delve into z39.50 and Zebra, the more I'm intrigued. | |
| 02:15 | * dcook | really likes knowing how things work |
| 02:15 | eythian | dcook: you should also rewrite search.pm while you're there. |
| 02:16 | * wizzyrea | wishes that eythian had busted out the evil laugh |
| 02:16 | dcook | lol |
| 02:16 | eythian | heh |
| 02:16 | jcamins | Yeah! Do it! |
| 02:16 | cjh | eythian: you need to work on your evil laugh... |
| 02:17 | dcook | I think jcamins has sufficiently warned me off even attempting that ;) |
| 02:17 | Plus, as has been noted, the time and money just aren't there :/ | |
| 02:17 | eythian | I just made a typo in vim and discovered a new feature. I like when that happens. |
| 02:17 | dcook | new feature? |
| 02:17 | cjh | heh, was it something awesome? |
| 02:18 | eythian | If I press shift-K it gives me the perldoc for the word under the cursor. |
| 02:18 | Probably part of the perl plugin I have installed that I've never really studied. | |
| 02:18 | dcook | Makes sense |
| 02:19 | I really liike my vim config at work but not (overly) looking forward to trying to get vim on the Debian box to be similar.. | |
| 02:19 | jcamins | dcook: scp workserver:.vimrc ~/.vimrc |
| 02:19 | Done. | |
| 02:19 | eythian | just rsy |
| 02:19 | ...that | |
| 02:20 | cjh | dcook: copy ~/.vimrc over? |
| 02:20 | eythian: shift-k for me looks for perldoc, but it isnt smart enough to try and find it so it is really just running 'perldoc <word-under-cursor>' :( | |
| 02:20 | dcook | I'm not sure where it lives :/ |
| 02:20 | I'm seeing lots and none to obviously be mine | |
| 02:20 | jcamins | dcook: ~/.vimrc |
| 02:20 | wizzyrea | the one in your homedir? |
| 02:21 | dcook | I don't see one there :S |
| 02:21 | cjh | the default is usually /etc/vim/vimrc but if you are making changes as your user it should be ~/.vimrc |
| 02:21 | wizzyrea | it'll be a .dotfile, might be hidden try ls -lah ? |
| 02:21 | well it *will* be hidden | |
| 02:21 | dcook | Tried that too wizzyrea :/ |
| 02:21 | wizzyrea | no might. |
| 02:22 | eythian | also .vim/ |
| 02:22 | though that might have to be referenced from .vimrc | |
| 02:22 | but maybe your system-wide config does that for you. | |
| 02:22 | dcook | Hmm, there's one in usr/share |
| 02:22 | That might be it.. | |
| 02:23 | It's the one that comes with the suse packaged vim | |
| 02:24 | jcamins | dcook: :scriptnames |
| 02:24 | http://stackoverflow.com/quest[…]-is-my-vimrc-file | |
| 02:25 | dcook | /etc/vimrc and lots of /usr/share/ scripts |
| 02:25 | cjh | you could also use :mkvimrc to write your current settings to a file |
| 02:25 | jcamins | cjh: ooh, nifty! I didn't know that one! |
| 02:25 | * jcamins | calls it a night. |
| 02:25 | cjh | night |
| 02:26 | eythian | later jcamins |
| 02:26 | dcook | night, jcamins. |
| 02:26 | trea | night jcamins. and thanks again. |
| 02:26 | dcook | I'll ask you more about "all any" next time ;) |
| 02:26 | cjh: That looks like the ticket | |
| 02:27 | cjh | that will export all the settings across your rc files, so should be enough to save that and migrate to your new system |
| 02:27 | (although your new system may have additional rules in the rc files) | |
| 02:27 | goodluck :) | |
| 02:31 | dcook | Hmm, that might be enough... |
| 02:31 | I'd like to know which one I'm actually using though :/ | |
| 02:32 | cjh | define using? |
| 02:32 | all of them are being read | |
| 02:32 | dcook | Surely not...that's quite a few! |
| 02:32 | Wouldn't it do something like git? | |
| 02:32 | Where it tries to find one in your home directory, then tries the git repo, then tries the system files? | |
| 02:33 | cjh | :help scriptnames |
| 02:33 | > List all sourced script names, in the order they were first sourced. | |
| 02:33 | afaik git does something similar, it uses all your config files but the 'closer' one takes priority. | |
| 02:34 | dcook | Yeah, it does |
| 02:34 | And I see now... | |
| 02:34 | I think... | |
| 02:34 | I think it is the etc/vimrc | |
| 02:35 | Yes, that's 100% it | |
| 02:36 | Thanks cjh :) | |
| 02:36 | (You too jcamins) | |
| 02:36 | It is the default that came with the suse vim, so I imagine there might be some sort of conflicts if I try using this, but it's worth a shot | |
| 02:37 | Trying to edit things atm in Debian is...well...very different | |
| 02:37 | But once I sort out that audio issue...it's onto installing Koha with the deb packages! | |
| 02:38 | cjh | I have a .vim git repo and symlink my ~/.vimrc to ~/.vim/vimrc, and then have a collection of plugins and crazyness inside there :) |
| 02:38 | dcook | hehe |
| 02:38 | I like it! | |
| 02:38 | I don't know why I didn't start using Linux years ago | |
| 02:39 | I suppose that near 7 years of full-time (humanities and social science) uni straight was a bit of a barrier.. | |
| 02:39 | cjh | my faculty at university is 99% linux/unix :) |
| 02:40 | dcook | I think only 1% of my past faculties had heard of linux/unix :p |
| 02:41 | Well, that's probably not true | |
| 02:41 | But probably a very low percentage | |
| 02:41 | cjh | our school IT services primarily run windows, but my faculty do their own IT and run linux :) |
| 02:42 | dcook | Sweet. Do they ever run into issues with students trying to hack the system? |
| 02:42 | In retrospect, if I had been more capable when I was in middle school/high school, I wonder if I would've gotten up to no good | |
| 02:42 | wizzyrea | i would think that if they were running windows they'd have more problem with that : |
| 02:42 | :/ | |
| 02:42 | dcook | As it was, being a slightly above average Windows user, I was able to find things that should've been hidden.. |
| 02:42 | cjh | I am sure it comes up, but the stuff running it are very competent. Running Linux is no less secure than windows ;) |
| 02:43 | wizzyrea | and probably a bit more secure. |
| 02:43 | dcook | So long as the staff are capable, I would think |
| 02:43 | wizzyrea | as privilege separation is somewhat better enforced. |
| 02:43 | dcook | If you had staff that were running an unpatched system, and you had a student that kept on top of things...I'm sure they could learn a few exploits |
| 02:44 | Well, maybe I'm not sure, but I imagine | |
| 02:44 | wizzyrea | that's no different for windows |
| 02:44 | dcook | Hmm, I suppose that's true |
| 02:45 | Although I imagine the flaws in Linux are probably publicized more | |
| 02:45 | wizzyrea | the code for linux is open, anyone can look at it. |
| 02:45 | dcook | So that they might be eliminated sooner |
| 02:45 | Right | |
| 02:45 | cjh | linus' law :) |
| 02:48 | dcook | Intriguing.. |
| 02:48 | Overall, I believe that having more eyes on the code is definitely a good thing. | |
| 02:48 | But yeah, like you were saying liz, the same thing could happen with Windows | |
| 02:49 | eythian | I think bugs in windows and linux are publicised about the same. |
| 02:49 | dcook | eythian: the more I think about it, the more I think you're probably right |
| 02:49 | And as for real world implementations, I imagine people running Linux are more likely than their Windows counterparts to be on the ball | |
| 02:49 | At least statistically | |
| 02:49 | Not to say that there aren't good Windows sysadmins | |
| 02:50 | But there are so many organizations who seem to be running outdated MS programs | |
| 02:54 | wizzyrea | and willfully so, it's not even laziness. |
| 03:15 | rangi | http://questhub.io/about |
| 03:17 | wizzyrea | ooOOOOOooo |
| 03:17 | rangi | we could have fun with that for gbsd |
| 03:17 | and the like | |
| 03:18 | mtompset | interesting link... I should get to bed. |
| 03:18 | Have a great day, everyone. | |
| 04:06 | dcook | tcpdf...you make me want to...grrr |
| 04:08 | trea | what's up with tcpdf dcook? |
| 04:09 | dcook | It's not Koha related, but I'm trying to turn webpages into PDFs and when I'm testing...I take out a single image element and then it spits out an error O_o |
| 04:09 | Asking me to set the action attribute or some such... | |
| 04:09 | trea | ah |
| 04:09 | sounds ugly | |
| 04:09 | dcook | Totes |
| 04:11 | I think wkhtmltopdf might be a better idea | |
| 04:11 | I think the idea is that it uses Webkit to render the webpage, and then pdfs it using the same method that modern browsers use | |
| 04:14 | cjh | if you install imagemagick you can just 'convert foo.pdf foo.html' and it will 'just work' |
| 04:14 | (although it will often create a foo-0.html) | |
| 04:14 | it seems to spit out 1 html page per pdf page | |
| 04:14 | wizzyrea | dah really? |
| 04:14 | that's pretty awesome | |
| 04:15 | does it work the other way too? | |
| 04:15 | cjh | yeah, imagemagick is overpowered (although you probably also need ghostscript to handle pdf) |
| 04:16 | wizzyrea | neat - that's probably why, the first time I tried to use it, i wanted to shoot myself in the face because it wouldn't install |
| 04:16 | that was like, ages and ages ago | |
| 04:16 | ibeardslee | could be worth talking to the EEC team here, I think they do a bunch of stuff like that. |
| 04:16 | * ibeardslee | comes in late to the conversation |
| 04:17 | dcook | ibreadsless: EEC? |
| 04:17 | cjh: I'll look into that! Thanks! | |
| 04:19 | ibeardslee | dcook: probably more aimed at wizzyrea .. didn't follow through with reading the scrollback before leaping in. EEC are a catalyst client. |
| 04:19 | dcook | Mmm, I gotcha. No worries. |
| 04:19 | * wizzyrea | was thinking of the Koha manual, actually |
| 04:19 | wizzyrea | but great tip, ibeardslee |
| 04:20 | dcook | cjh: The imagemagick folk suggest not using imagemagick for html -> pdf conversion :/ |
| 04:20 | Hmm, the Koha manual could be quite easy... | |
| 04:21 | The pages I'm looking at are loaded down with a fair bit of JS and CSS | |
| 04:21 | And I think that's possibly what's causing the issues | |
| 04:21 | cjh | oh I read it as the other way, thought you were going pdf to html |
| 04:22 | html with js is harder. | |
| 04:22 | dcook | Depending on the quality needed, I could try tossing out the Javascript, but that's easier said than done as well. |
| 04:23 | Using pdfutil at the moment to extract text from pdfs, which sometimes works. I think the times it doesn't might relate to encryption, but haven't really looked into it. | |
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| 04:25 | cjh | afternoon/morning cait |
| 04:25 | dcook | hey ya cait |
| 04:25 | cait | hi cjh and dcook |
| 04:25 | wizzyrea | morning cait |
| 04:29 | dcook | wizzyrea: Maybe try https://github.com/antialize/wkhtmltopdf for PDFing the Koha manual? |
| 04:30 | wizzyrea | maybe |
| 04:30 | dk, don't have a moment to look right this second. :) | |
| 04:33 | dcook | Well, I might try to talk the boss into trying it out, so I'll let you know how it goes down the line ;) |
| 04:38 | wizzyrea | http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/[…]rticle3761376.ece neat, wellington museum of city and sea is on there |
| 04:38 | I just went there :) | |
| 04:41 | mtj | dcook, there are better docbook specific tools to gen pdf from the manual.xml file |
| 04:42 | dcook | Cool beans :) |
| 04:43 | mtj | although, wkhtmltopdf might do a good job, too... |
| 04:44 | * dcook | shrugs |
| 04:44 | mtj | ah, no - its just html->pdf |
| 04:45 | dcook | Convenient |
| 04:46 | mtj | yep, good to know, tho :) |
| 04:47 | more info… -> http://wiki.docbook.org/DocBookTools | |
| 04:48 | dcook | Hmm, tcpdf didn't do a terrible job on one page... |
| 04:48 | Must not have much JS.. | |
| 05:05 | mtj | dcook, fwiw, pandoc and asciidoc both output pdf |
| 05:06 | and pandoc reads html | |
| 05:08 | … and also outputs to asciidoc :) | |
| 05:09 | so, you could have some success with both of those tools | |
| 05:09 | dcook | Hmm, just glanced at pandoc, sounds promising |
| 05:09 | Thanks, mtj :) | |
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| 06:45 | reiveune | hello |
| 06:45 | wahanui | niihau, reiveune |
| 06:46 | dcook | hey ya reiveune :) |
| 06:46 | allo trea :) | |
| 06:46 | alex_a | hello ! |
| 06:46 | cait | hi all :) and brb |
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| 06:46 | dcook | hey ya alex_a :) |
| 06:46 | reiveune | salut dcook |
| 06:51 | * dcook | might've just written a novel to someone explaining why Koha is the best thing since sliced bread... |
| 06:51 | dcook | I love working on a project that I can be proud to promote ^_^ |
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| 06:54 | * alex_a | doesn't like sliced bread ... |
| 06:54 | dcook | Touché |
| 06:54 | Admittedly, I do love unsliced bread more... | |
| 06:55 | cjh | blasphemers! |
| 06:55 | dcook | Unsliced sourdough? Sooo good |
| 06:55 | cjh | mmmmhhhhmm |
| 06:55 | I mean no! | |
| 06:55 | dcook | hehe |
| 06:55 | My favourite part of getting groceries delivered is the fresh loaf of sourdough on my steps every Tuesday morning | |
| 07:02 | Hmm semantic HTML would be great... | |
| 07:03 | cjh | dcook: have you seen http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]i/Linked_Data_RFC ? |
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| 07:06 | christophe_c | hello #koha |
| 07:06 | cjh | evening :) |
| 07:10 | dcook | cjh: Cool beans! |
| 07:10 | magnuse++ | |
| 07:11 | I looked a bit at SPARQL a couple years ago, but I still haven't done much with RDF | |
| 07:11 | LoC looks like it's offering up a lot of its data as RDF though | |
| 07:11 | I think the only way to download authorities at the moment is as RDF | |
| 07:11 | I still wonder a bit about URIs in linked data, but...I have to head off | |
| 07:12 | So night all! | |
| 07:12 | night cjh :) | |
| 07:14 | * magnuse | hopes to get some funding for a project to work on linked data next year |
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| 07:14 | gaetan_B | hello |
| 07:14 | wahanui | salut, gaetan_B |
| 07:17 | cjh | magnuse: *fingers crossed* |
| 07:18 | magnuse | cjh: thanks :-) |
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| 07:20 | huginn | GERMS!!!! |
| 07:20 | wahanui | Germs originated in Germany, before rapidly spreading throughout the rest of the world. |
| 07:20 | kf | good morning #koha |
| 07:20 | cjh | evening kf :) |
| 07:21 | kf | hi again cjh :) |
| 07:22 | magnuse | guten morgen kf and gaetan_B |
| 07:23 | gaetan_B | 'morgen magnuse :) |
| 07:27 | kf | hi magnuse |
| 07:27 | magnuse | :-) |
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| 07:50 | Viktor | Hi! Hope all is well. |
| 07:51 | Cleaned up the sv-translation a bit and handed to the translators. But noticed file ending .po.txt. Is this correct? | |
| 07:52 | kf | no |
| 07:52 | maybe it happened when youcleaned it up and saved | |
| 07:52 | it shoudl be just .po | |
| 07:52 | Viktor | kf thanks. |
| 07:53 | Poedit on OS X seems fine with it. And when I download from Pootle it looks like .po on the platform but saves as .po.txt on OS X. | |
| 07:53 | Weird... | |
| 07:53 | wahanui | weird is normal after a while :) |
| 07:53 | kf | hm |
| 07:53 | did you use the zip file download on the review tab? | |
| 07:54 | Viktor | No - grabbed it from http://translate.koha-communit[…]/sv/312/edit.html |
| 07:54 | kf | i think it's probably a browser thing then or something like that |
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| 07:55 | kf | hm yeah, it offers me to save as .txt too |
| 07:57 | Viktor | Im trying the same download with armeninan now. |
| 07:57 | That too saves as .po.txt. | |
| 07:58 | But opens fine in poedit. | |
| 07:58 | Thanks for the help kf | |
| 07:59 | I'll ask on the translate list and see if anyone knows. It doesn't seem to cause any trouble, but some caution might be good :) | |
| 08:02 | kf | Viktor_away: it's just the file ending, rename it and you are good |
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| 08:24 | Viktor | kf Great! :) |
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| 09:04 | kf | hm quiet today |
| 09:18 | Viktor | A bit. |
| 09:18 | Drifted off to write a progress report. And now lunch. kf | |
| 09:18 | magnuse | let's make some noise! |
| 09:18 | @wunder boo | |
| 09:18 | huginn | magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 5.0°C (10:50 AM CEST on May 15, 2013). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 87%. Dew Point: 3.0°C. Windchill: -2.0°C. Pressure: 29.56 in 1001 hPa (Steady). |
| 09:18 | kf | :) |
| 09:18 | let's make some last minute sign-offs? ;) | |
| 09:19 | we got a few blockers... | |
| 09:20 | Viktor | I'll make some offline noise. Have a meeting about the academic library's participation in the Koha-project. |
| 09:21 | magnuse | Viktor: good luck with that |
| 09:21 | kf | :) |
| 09:21 | Viktor | Thanks magnuse |
| 09:21 | magnuse | convince them to use Koha! :-) |
| 09:21 | Viktor | The thought is to have them check for stuff that academic libraries need so we can build a free national infrastructure. |
| 09:21 | magnuse | w00t! |
| 09:22 | Viktor | Or at least available for those who want it I should say. |
| 09:22 | magnuse | nah, just force everyone to use it ;-) |
| 09:22 | mandatory freedom! | |
| 09:22 | Viktor | :D |
| 09:22 | I'll suggest that :) | |
| 09:23 | magnuse | yay! |
| 09:24 | Viktor | We have funds from the national library to create patches needed for use in Sweden for both academic libraries and "folkbibliotek". But they themselves will hardly want to become vendors. |
| 09:25 | kf | but you got money - sounds like something will happen :) |
| 09:25 | magnuse | @later tell jcamins: the nb-NO translation is "done" - everything except 1. help files and 2. marc21/unimarc specific stuff is translated. hope nb-NO can make it into the list of translated languages! :-) |
| 09:25 | huginn | magnuse: The operation succeeded. |
| 09:25 | Viktor | kj We do have a bit of funds for 2013-2014. |
| 09:26 | Some is to pay the people working in the project, some is to create documentation and so forth. But a sizable amount is for development. | |
| 09:27 | And a third of that is geared towards Pubsubhubbub. | |
| 09:27 | (but they have no hub yet to test on so I have been holding off on that) | |
| 09:28 | Well: always glad to see you kf magnuse. I'll hop off to go for lunch and meetings. | |
| 09:29 | kf | bye Viktor |
| 09:29 | * kf | wonders what that ...hubbub is |
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| 09:32 | magnuse | kf: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PubSubHubbub |
| 09:32 | it's a system Viktor wants to use to pull records into koha from a central catalogue | |
| 09:32 | kf | oh |
| 09:32 | magnuse | well, it's what the central catalogue wants to use, really |
| 09:33 | kf | ah :) |
| 09:33 | magnuse | the library buys a book, the central catalogue (Libris) is notified and the MARC record is "sent" to Koha via pubsubhubbub |
| 09:33 | kf | interesting :) |
| 09:33 | going to use the restful api? | |
| 09:36 | magnuse | possibly - i don't quite remember the details of what we talked about... |
| 09:42 | * kf | wishes hard for oleonard to appear |
| 09:42 | kf | oleonard? |
| 09:42 | wahanui | i think oleonard is still here, if you just wish hard enough. or Koha's master UI designer |
| 09:43 | magnuse | kf: gotta wish harder |
| 09:44 | kf | trying |
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| 11:06 | jcamins | Cool, my e-mail did something! Czech strings have been uploaded. |
| 11:19 | magnuse | yay |
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| 12:08 | jenkins_koha | Starting build #32 for job Koha_3.12.x (previous build: SUCCESS) |
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| 12:16 | huginn | New commit(s) kohagit: Merge branch 'bug_6329' into 3.14-master <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]0ebf1e64d8964416c> / Bug 6329 - patron categories should show which fields are required <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]227c792c2ff07134d> / Merge branch 'bug_10214' into 3.14-master <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]oha.git;a=commitd |
| 12:16 | oleonard | Hi #koha |
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| 12:48 | druthb | o/ |
| 12:48 | jenkins_koha | Project Koha_3.12.x build #32: SUCCESS in 39 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]b/Koha_3.12.x/32/ |
| 12:48 | * Owen Leonard: Bug 10108 - can't print more than one page of overdues | |
| 12:48 | * Frédéric Demians: Bug 10214 Add header to syspref po files | |
| 12:48 | * Owen Leonard: Bug 6329 - patron categories should show which fields are required | |
| 12:48 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10108 major, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , can't print more than one page of overdues |
| 12:48 | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10214 normal, P5 - low, ---, frederic, Pushed to Master , malformed syspref.po file | |
| 12:48 | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6329 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , patron categories should show which fields are required | |
| 12:48 | oleonard | Hi druthb |
| 12:48 | druthb | :) Hi, oleonard! |
| 12:48 | jenkins_koha | Starting build #1173 for job Koha_master (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #1164 8 days 23 hr ago) |
| 13:06 | kf | hi oleonard :) |
| 13:07 | oleonard: about the translation bug I filed earlier - i realized later that _("") works too... but not working on a patch right now | |
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| 13:22 | kf | jcamins++ |
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| 13:25 | JohnnyAce | hello |
| 13:29 | kf | hi Joh |
| 13:29 | ah i was too slow | |
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| 13:36 | oleonard | Hi kf. I didn't look closely at that bug but I'm sure it's much like other translation bugs we've had. |
| 13:38 | kf | it is |
| 13:38 | huginn | New commit(s) kohagit: Merge branch 'deb_scripts_312_rc1' into 3.14-master <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]38e30fb3da0d92508> / Bug 10094 - koha-list should have a --disabled option switch <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]78e6a37e5b85273f5> / Bug 10146 - koha-stop-zebra error handling <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]b/?p=koha.git;a=c |
| 13:38 | kf | only bit grumpy so many things crept in again :) |
| 13:40 | oleonard | We have a tendency to add shiny new things to Koha before they're really finished. |
| 13:40 | magnuse | oooh, shiny... |
| 13:42 | kf | magnuse: don't get distracted... i think you have something to work on? |
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| 13:42 | magnuse | nah, never heard of it... |
| 13:50 | * kf | glares at magnuse and points at his desk |
| 13:51 | * magnuse | intends to leave his desk in 10 minutes and come back to it tonight. so there! |
| 13:55 | * druthb | offers magnuse and kf cookies, so they won't bicker. |
| 13:55 | magnuse | yay |
| 13:58 | * magnuse | wanders off |
| 13:59 | kf | druthb: i am helping him! |
| 13:59 | jenkins_koha | Project Koha_master build #1173: STILL UNSTABLE in 1 hr 11 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]Koha_master/1173/ |
| 13:59 | * Owen Leonard: Bug 10108 - can't print more than one page of overdues | |
| 13:59 | * Frédéric Demians: Bug 10214 Add header to syspref po files | |
| 13:59 | * Owen Leonard: Bug 6329 - patron categories should show which fields are required | |
| 13:59 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10108 major, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , can't print more than one page of overdues |
| 13:59 | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10214 normal, P5 - low, ---, frederic, Pushed to Master , malformed syspref.po file | |
| 13:59 | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6329 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , patron categories should show which fields are required | |
| 13:59 | jenkins_koha | Starting build #33 for job Koha_3.12.x (previous build: SUCCESS) |
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| 14:04 | jcamins | Ugh. I'm not sure why jenkins is failing. |
| 14:06 | maximep | oh man, it's failing all over the place :/ |
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| 14:06 | jcamins | maximep: there's only one actual failure there. |
| 14:07 | oleonard | sophie_m: Is Bug 7776 still a problem? I don't understand the bug report. |
| 14:07 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7776 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , Inconsistency between check in and check out display |
| 14:07 | maximep | "Table 'koha.ratings' doesn't exist". Is there some migrations that wasn't applied on the jenkins server ? |
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| 14:07 | jcamins | maximep: huh? Where's that from? |
| 14:08 | I only see two failures. The Acq failure and daily quotes. | |
| 14:08 | maximep | raw output |
| 14:08 | that's where the interesting stuff is | |
| 14:08 | jcamins | Oh. Heh. I don't read that. |
| 14:08 | Okay, the RC is not going to be done in the next five minutes. | |
| 14:09 | * jcamins | heads into the city. |
| 14:09 | sophie_m | oleonard: I think it could be closed |
| 14:11 | oleonard | Okay, thanks sophie_m |
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| 14:21 | kf | marcelr++ |
| 14:22 | gmcharlt | @quote random |
| 14:22 | huginn | gmcharlt: Quote #233: "<oleonard> How about Now that she's three my daughter has terrible authority control" (added by gmcharlt at 05:06 PM, February 14, 2013) |
| 14:23 | * druthb | chuckles. |
| 14:23 | jcamins | RC1 is announced, and I am running late. |
| 14:29 | tcohen | jcamins++ |
| 14:31 | kf | jcamins++ :) |
| 14:35 | tcohen | jcamins: did the ccsr .po files get included in the rc? |
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| 14:37 | Johnny | Yo |
| 14:37 | kf | tcohen: not sure if the pull request has happened yet |
| 14:37 | druthb | It has not. |
| 14:37 | kf | i woudl guess they are not, butnot sure |
| 14:37 | druthb | The pull req will happen Saturday morning, US time. |
| 14:37 | kf | so probably not - but in final release then :) |
| 14:37 | and hey druthb :) | |
| 14:38 | dever23b | Hello -- is anyone experiencing issues with Z39.50 searches to Library of Congress? I've tried manual queries and I always get "search failed at opac rc=1" |
| 14:38 | Johnny | Yeah, me too |
| 14:38 | kf | i think someone said it was down? |
| 14:39 | Johnny | lx2.loc.gov:210 |
| 14:39 | dever23b | I've tried the "old" hostname (z3950.loc.gov:70990) and the "new" (lx2.loc.gov:210) ... same results |
| 14:39 | Johnny | and/or z3950.loc.gov |
| 14:39 | dever23b | Oh really? Wonderful! |
| 14:39 | jenkins_koha | Project Koha_3.12.x build #33: SUCCESS in 39 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]b/Koha_3.12.x/33/ |
| 14:39 | * Tomas Cohen Arazi: Bug 10159 - koha-rebuild-zebra error handling | |
| 14:39 | * Tomas Cohen Arazi: Bug 10157 - koha-email-enable error handling | |
| 14:39 | * Tomas Cohen Arazi: Bug 10146 - koha-stop-zebra error handling | |
| 14:39 | * Tomas Cohen Arazi: Bug 10094 - koha-list should have a --disabled option switch | |
| 14:39 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10159 normal, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Pushed to Master , koha-rebuild-zebra error handling |
| 14:39 | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10157 normal, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Pushed to Master , koha-email-enable error handling | |
| 14:39 | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10146 normal, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Pushed to Master , koha-stop-zebra error handling | |
| 14:39 | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10094 normal, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Pushed to Master , koha-list should have an --disabled option | |
| 14:40 | jenkins_koha | Starting build #1174 for job Koha_master (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #1164 9 days 0 hr ago) |
| 14:40 | kf | i am not sure tho |
| 14:40 | Johnny | Can anyone eles confirm LOC is having an issue with Z searches? |
| 14:40 | kf | did it work for you in the past? |
| 14:41 | Johnny | It has worked for most of the year.. Just within last 48-72 hours |
| 14:41 | dever23b | Same |
| 14:42 | I have not made any changes in the past 9+ months and we haven't had any reported issues until now. During intial investigation, I came across the news from 1/2013 regarding the new hostname and attempted using that to no avail. | |
| 14:43 | I don't get any "errors" from Koha; it simply always returns 0 records. So, I equipped my good friend SSH and tried doing some Z queries with yaz-client and that's when I developed the failures | |
| 14:43 | Z> open z3950.loc.gov:7090/Voyager | |
| 14:43 | Connecting...OK. | |
| 14:43 | Sent initrequest. | |
| 14:43 | Connection accepted by v3 target. | |
| 14:43 | ID : 34 | |
| 14:43 | Name : Voyager LMS - Z39.50 Server (YAZ Proxy) | |
| 14:43 | Version: 2007.2.0/1.2.1.1 | |
| 14:43 | Options: search present | |
| 14:43 | Elapsed: 1.236377 | |
| 14:43 | Z> querytype ccl2rpn | |
| 14:43 | Z> find (ti=great gatsby) | |
| 14:43 | Sent searchRequest. | |
| 14:43 | Received SearchResponse. | |
| 14:43 | Search was a bloomin' failure. | |
| 14:43 | Number of hits: 0 | |
| 14:43 | Result Set Status: none | |
| 14:43 | records returned: 0 | |
| 14:43 | Diagnostic message(s) from database: | |
| 14:43 | [1] Permanent system error -- v2 addinfo 'search failed at opac rc=1' | |
| 14:43 | Elapsed: 0.032942 | |
| 14:44 | Johnny | Dever23b.. Let me know .. Gotta run.. |
| 14:44 | dever23b | @Johnny will do |
| 14:45 | huginn | dever23b: I've exhausted my database of quotes |
| 14:47 | dever23b | brb |
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| 14:49 | mtompset | Greetings, #koha. |
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| 14:50 | dever23b | Back |
| 14:51 | Anyone else able to confirm query issues with Z39.50 searches from the Library of Congress (z3950.loc.gov:7090 or lx2.loc.gov:210)? | |
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| 14:55 | kf | hi paul_p :) |
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| 14:59 | mtompset | dever23b: my librarian colleague told me to look up 0830822186 on LOC, and he said he got a result and then no results. |
| 15:00 | dever23b | Thank you! Hmm. |
| 15:01 | mtompset | I haven't tried to figure out the problem yet. |
| 15:01 | Greetings, kf. | |
| 15:06 | dever23b | mtompset: Thanks for the information. Forgive me, I recently took over for our Koha administration and I'm still learning how all this works. Is there anything you'd recommend I investigate to determine whether it's a problem on my server or externally? |
| 15:07 | mtompset | When it comes to z39.50, I know as little as you. Sorry. |
| 15:07 | dever23b | Fabulous! Lol no problem, thanks. |
| 15:09 | reiveune | bye |
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| 15:12 | jwagner | dever23b, LC hasn't been working all week. I just talked to someone there, and he said the systems staff have been testing and working on something |
| 15:13 | dever23b | jwagner: thank you very much. I tried searching around for awhile and came up with nothing; is there some kind of place where I can check on the status of LC or do you just have to know somebody there? |
| 15:13 | mtompset | Thanks for the information, jwagner. :) |
| 15:13 | jwagner | I asked and he said they didn't have a publicly accessible status page, just for internal staff |
| 15:13 | We just have to wait until it starts working again, sigh | |
| 15:14 | dever23b | Even better lol |
| 15:15 | Maybe you should get his direct contact information plastered over the interwebs, and see how long it takes for them to make public a status page :) | |
| 15:15 | mtompset | No, that more then likely would backfire. |
| 15:15 | dever23b | Yeah probably, but it'd be kinda funny. |
| 15:15 | mtompset | See how long before LoC stops talking to jwagner and company. |
| 15:15 | jwagner | I don't threaten LC -- some of my best friends work there... |
| 15:16 | dever23b | Lol. Apparently both of you missed the sarcastic humor in that. I wasn't actually suggesting that you do that. I'm sorry. |
| 15:16 | mtompset | I don't see how it is funny not to be able to get the answer to your (and my) question. |
| 15:16 | I would have used a ;) not a :) for sarcasm. :P | |
| 15:16 | jwagner | what's odd is that it works from their own gateway at http://www.loc.gov/z3950/gateway.html#lc -- just not from any external client |
| 15:17 | But the problem is definitely on their end | |
| 15:17 | dever23b | mtompset: lol. forgive me. syntax error ;) |
| 15:17 | jwagner: I noticed that too | |
| 15:18 | mtompset | dever23b: Not a problem. Just glad we could communicate to the point of clarification. |
| 15:20 | dever23b | mtompset: Likewise. |
| 15:20 | Thanks everyone. I guess I'll just keep checking in. | |
| 15:20 | mtompset | Thanks for the information, jwagner. |
| 15:20 | jwagner++ | |
| 15:28 | kf | bye all |
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| 15:32 | tcohen | ok, updated our 38 testing instances to rc1, its a relief not to see broken chars |
| 15:33 | (and that koha-translate --update es-ES worked too :-P) | |
| 15:37 | jcamins | tcohen: nope. |
| 15:52 | jenkins_koha | Project Koha_master build #1174: STILL UNSTABLE in 1 hr 12 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]Koha_master/1174/ |
| 15:52 | * Tomas Cohen Arazi: Bug 10159 - koha-rebuild-zebra error handling | |
| 15:52 | * Tomas Cohen Arazi: Bug 10157 - koha-email-enable error handling | |
| 15:52 | * Tomas Cohen Arazi: Bug 10146 - koha-stop-zebra error handling | |
| 15:52 | * Tomas Cohen Arazi: Bug 10094 - koha-list should have a --disabled option switch | |
| 15:52 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10159 normal, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Pushed to Master , koha-rebuild-zebra error handling |
| 15:52 | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10157 normal, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Pushed to Master , koha-email-enable error handling | |
| 15:52 | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10146 normal, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Pushed to Master , koha-stop-zebra error handling | |
| 15:52 | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10094 normal, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Pushed to Master , koha-list should have an --disabled option | |
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| 16:03 | jcamins | Hehe. |
| 16:04 | * druthb | blames melia. |
| 16:04 | melia | lol |
| 16:11 | mtompset | don't you mean git blames melia. ;) |
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| 17:02 | mtompset | Greetings, drojf. :) |
| 17:03 | drojf | hi mtompset |
| 17:03 | and hi #koha | |
| 17:03 | @wunder berlin, germany | |
| 17:03 | huginn | drojf: The current temperature in Prenzlauer Berg, Berlin, Germany is 24.8°C (6:43 PM CEST on May 15, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 25%. Dew Point: 3.0°C. Pressure: 29.59 in 1002 hPa (Steady). |
| 17:03 | jcamins | drojf: where were you earlier when I was trying to understand Klotz am Bein? I missed you terribly! :P |
| 17:04 | drojf | so sorry :D |
| 17:04 | did you get it? | |
| 17:04 | jcamins | Yes. |
| 17:04 | Literally it's a ball and chain. | |
| 17:04 | Metaphorically it is a heavy burden that drags you down. | |
| 17:04 | drojf | haha i like »an albatross around the neck« |
| 17:05 | jcamins | drojf: ooh, I like that better. |
| 17:05 | drojf | i will try to use that in a conversation as soon as possible :D |
| 17:06 | jcamins | An albatross around the neck: a comedy. :D |
| 17:06 | drojf | also reminds me of monty python's albatross |
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| 17:12 | drojf | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1PJix23IeF8 :) |
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| 17:28 | nengard | Hi #koha - say hi to our newest Koha Library here in Las Vegas |
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| 17:34 | cait | oh too late |
| 17:34 | drojf | it's also the fastest library |
| 17:34 | cait | more a fast trainer - lots to practice and explain probably |
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| 17:50 | pianohacker | Good morning, #koha |
| 17:51 | oleonard | Hey pianohacker, is it morning where you are? |
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| 17:53 | pianohacker | oleonard: for another 8 minutes :) |
| 17:56 | oleonard: how have you been? | |
| 17:56 | oleonard | Very well, and you? |
| 17:57 | pianohacker | oleonard: excellent, glad to be back |
| 18:11 | * cait | waves |
| 18:11 | cait | welcome back pianohacker |
| 18:15 | jcamins | For people who liked the Hobbit: http://www.chisholm-poster.com[…]n=&search=CL53627 |
| 18:15 | pianohacker | hi cait |
| 18:21 | gmcharlt | pianohacker! |
| 18:21 | wahanui | it has been said that pianohacker is younger, I think. |
| 18:21 | gmcharlt | yay! |
| 18:21 | mtompset | Oops... missed it. Greetings, cait oleonard pianohacker and gmcharlt. Hopefully didn't miss anyone. :) |
| 18:21 | cait | hi mtompset and gmcharlt :) |
| 18:22 | pianohacker | hi, gmcharlt :) |
| 18:22 | and mtompset | |
| 18:22 | wahanui | i heard mtompset was disliking the silent warnings flooding his error logs. |
| 18:22 | pianohacker | I have sympathy for you and we've only just met |
| 18:23 | mtompset | That always will be true. |
| 18:23 | * druthb | feels missed by mtompset |
| 18:23 | mtompset | Oops... sorry, druthb. I didn't scroll back. |
| 18:23 | pianohacker | druthb! how's it going? |
| 18:23 | druthb | :P Just pulling your chain, mtompset. |
| 18:23 | going okay, pianohacker. :D | |
| 18:23 | pianohacker | sweet |
| 18:35 | jcamins | gmcharlt++ |
| 18:39 | mtompset | anyone familiar with setting up a memcache server? :) |
| 18:40 | jcamins | Where are you running into trouble? |
| 18:40 | mtompset | This is related to my experimentation with the shibboleth patch from biblibre. |
| 18:41 | I successfully got simplesamlphp to authenticate, and I'm pretty sure now I can get it to redirect back to my opac interface. | |
| 18:41 | But... well, environment variables need to get pushed and pulled nicely across. | |
| 18:41 | I figured a memcache server would be the way to do that. | |
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| 18:42 | jcamins | No. |
| 18:42 | Definitely not. | |
| 18:43 | A memcached server does not have anything to do with environment variables. | |
| 18:43 | I mean, you configure it with environment variables, but that's a Koha thing, not a memcached thing. | |
| 18:44 | So you'll still need your script to read in environment variables. | |
| 18:44 | mtompset | Right, but the environment variables for a perl script aren't going to be identical for the PHP script. |
| 18:45 | I'm probably doing this all wrong, but I figure I'll try anyways. | |
| 18:45 | jcamins | first question? |
| 18:45 | wahanui | "What are you trying to do?" or "What is the goal?" |
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| 18:46 | mtompset | opac login screen has a link to simplesamlphp...?as=OpenIdP... triggers OpenIdP authentication and redirects back to simplesamlphp... which then needs to redirect back to OPAC and have an environment variable set. |
| 18:47 | Yes, I probably should try to write the SP in perl, so I don't have the simplesamlphp mess in the middle. | |
| 18:47 | jcamins | I see. Memcached has nothing to do with that. |
| 18:47 | What you wanted to ask was "how do I work with sessions?" | |
| 18:48 | Unfortunately, I don't have an answer beyond "CGI::Session takes care of it in Perl." | |
| 18:48 | mtompset | Hmmm... okay, that's an idea. |
| 18:48 | jcamins | You can't store environment variables in memcached because that would force you to have only one session open at a time. |
| 18:49 | mtompset | And that would prevent multiple users, which defeats the purpose. |
| 18:49 | jcamins | And if you can limit the total concurrent logins to 1, you don't need authentication, really. |
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| 19:43 | oleonard | If we start using LESS, I wonder how that affects tracking changes... What if a patch directly modifies the CSS file instead of the LESS file? |
| 19:43 | cait | fail qa? |
| 19:44 | not sure how hard it will make it for people to do changes | |
| 19:44 | oleonard | I worry about that too |
| 19:49 | jcamins | I don't think it'll make it any harder. |
| 19:49 | oleonard | It will require people to add a tool to their workflow |
| 19:50 | jcamins | Not necessarily. |
| 19:50 | Developers can simply use the LESS directly, and it is encumbant (sp?) on the RM to update the CSS. | |
| 19:51 | oleonard | ...and anyone who runs Koha off git, although those people are more qualified than anyone else to learn a new tool. |
| 19:52 | * oleonard | retracts that non-sequitor |
| 19:52 | cait | hm not sure I can follow |
| 19:53 | what is the big win of LESS again? | |
| 19:53 | i mean why do we want to use it? | |
| 19:54 | magnuse | you can have variables in css, i think? |
| 19:55 | jcamins | oleonard: no, other users of git don't have to run LESS. |
| 19:55 | Just the RM. | |
| 19:55 | magnuse | so define a color once in a variable and then use that variable wherever you want to use the color? |
| 19:55 | jcamins | cait: it allows you to abstract out repeated declarations. |
| 19:55 | Right. | |
| 19:55 | One of the benefits of LESS. | |
| 19:55 | You can also do sets of rules. | |
| 19:56 | pianohacker | jcamins: To confirm, developers would be using some kind of JS converter shim to use LESS on the fly, or how would that work? |
| 19:56 | jcamins | pianohacker: right. |
| 19:56 | http://lesscss.org/#usage | |
| 19:57 | tcohen | what about Sass? |
| 19:57 | jcamins | tcohen: also supposed to be good, but I liked LESS better. :P |
| 19:58 | tcohen | they have a sexy gal on their front page |
| 19:58 | jcamins | lol |
| 19:58 | tcohen | :-P |
| 19:58 | jcamins | But it's written in Ruby. |
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| 20:00 | rangi | anyone got some time? |
| 20:00 | bug 4173 | |
| 20:00 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4173 normal, P3, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Stable , Statuses not appearing in the OPAC |
| 20:00 | rangi | a new developer has submitted a patch there |
| 20:01 | http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]g.cgi?id=4173#c26 | |
| 20:01 | huginn | 04Bug 4173: normal, P3, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Stable , Statuses not appearing in the OPAC |
| 20:01 | rangi | could some one help them with a bit nicer instructions |
| 20:01 | if not I will in a couple of hours | |
| 20:01 | cait | bit nicer? |
| 20:01 | rangi | when im at my desk |
| 20:01 | http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]g.cgi?id=4173#c27 | |
| 20:02 | huginn | 04Bug 4173: normal, P3, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Stable , Statuses not appearing in the OPAC |
| 20:02 | cait | oh i see |
| 20:02 | *sigh* | |
| 20:02 | rangi | at bit more freindly/explaining |
| 20:02 | cait | i will try |
| 20:02 | but working on something else right now and it's getting late :( | |
| 20:02 | rangi | its a bit mean, but im sure fridolyn doesnt mean it to be |
| 20:02 | cait | nope i don't think he did |
| 20:05 | pianohacker | hey rangi |
| 20:05 | magnuse | packages++ |
| 20:08 | rangi | heya pianohacker good to see you again |
| 20:08 | * rangi | will talk more after hes taken kids to school and gone to work |
| 20:12 | rangi | magnuse: did you see http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]en_Debian_Squeeze |
| 20:13 | magnuse | in spanish? cool! |
| 20:13 | rangi | the start of it it anyway |
| 20:14 | https://www.google.co.nz/searc[…]oha-community.org <-- getting there without killing my linode | |
| 20:15 | and now im gone for a bit | |
| 20:16 | cait | hnm don't we have a page on aobut how to file bugs? |
| 20:19 | magnuse | whut?? i upgraded my 3.12 test install to the latest squeeze-dev package, and now all the "norwegian wovels" display wrong?? |
| 20:19 | http://demo.test312.bibkat.no/ | |
| 20:19 | cait | oh ouch? |
| 20:19 | tcohen | doesn't squeeze-dev differ from 3.12? |
| 20:19 | cait | I didn't see that happen on our installation, but we are beta3 i think |
| 20:20 | jcamins | magnuse: that's 3.14. |
| 20:20 | magnuse | the about page says 3.11.00.300 |
| 20:21 | tcohen | yes, they share the DB version number |
| 20:21 | magnuse | um, that might be a tad confusing? ;-) |
| 20:22 | so to get beta3, i have to... find a package jcamins uloaded somewhere? | |
| 20:22 | tcohen | http://download.koha-community.org |
| 20:22 | magnuse | koha-common_3.12.00-rc1_all.deb ? |
| 20:22 | tcohen | BTW, I proposed to change the packages naming to avoid this situation, vote for it :-P |
| 20:22 | magnuse | tcohen: i will, i think :-) |
| 20:23 | cait | magnuse: that looks right |
| 20:24 | * magnuse | should not let himself get in arrears with the lists |
| 20:24 | magnuse | jcamins++ |
| 20:26 | that looks much better, yes | |
| 20:26 | * magnuse | breathes a sigh of relief... |
| 20:27 | magnuse | koha-translate++ very convenient! |
| 20:28 | jcamins | magnuse: I recommend the RC. |
| 20:29 | magnuse: they won't share a version after the 3.12 release. | |
| 20:29 | magnuse | jcamins: good :-) |
| 20:29 | rc is now installed | |
| 20:31 | found a problem, perhaps: when i use the norwegian translation in the staff client and try to add a patron category, nothing happens when i click on "save". firebug tells me "ReferenceError: Check is not defined". works as normal when i switch to english | |
| 20:32 | no missing js files, as far as i can see | |
| 20:33 | jcamins | magnuse: is it new? |
| 20:33 | magnuse | what, the error? |
| 20:33 | jcamins | Right. |
| 20:33 | magnuse | i have not seen it before |
| 20:34 | jcamins | Okay, probably a result of that patch I just pushed. |
| 20:37 | magnuse | which one would that be? |
| 20:37 | jcamins | I don't remember. |
| 20:38 | I just pushed it, though. | |
| 20:38 | Bug 6329. | |
| 20:38 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6329 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , patron categories should show which fields are required |
| 20:38 | magnuse | ah, sounds plausible |
| 20:39 | * magnuse | wonders if cait tested that with the german translation |
| 20:42 | magnuse | oops, gotta run, have fun #koha |
| 20:45 | cait | acutally i did |
| 20:45 | actually... | |
| 20:45 | magnuse: did you ctrl reload or something? | |
| 20:45 | it worked for me, i got the error messages and it looked fine with german | |
| 20:46 | jcamins | cait: did you update your translations? |
| 20:46 | cait | yes |
| 20:46 | i think so | |
| 20:46 | jcamins | I mean, po files. |
| 20:46 | cait | i wanted to know if the messages would get translated |
| 20:46 | let me recheck | |
| 20:46 | jcamins | Because it occurs to me that if you had the 3.12 po files and magnuse had only the included po files (from 3.10), it might end up weird. |
| 20:47 | cait | i copied over the completed german files |
| 20:47 | but let me test | |
| 20:48 | magnuse | um, forget it |
| 20:48 | wahanui | magnuse: I forgot it |
| 20:48 | jcamins | That was my suspicion. |
| 20:48 | magnuse | i had the 3.10 files |
| 20:48 | but then i got the 3.12 ones from pootle | |
| 20:48 | and now it works for norwegian too | |
| 20:48 | gah | |
| 20:48 | i thought i tested that and got the same error | |
| 20:48 | perhaps i did not reload properly | |
| 20:48 | jcamins | magnuse: yeah, I don't have a pull request for 3.12 yet. The release will have the translations. |
| 20:49 | magnuse | sure, no problem |
| 20:49 | cait | druthb said something about saturday morning earlier on |
| 20:49 | magnuse | i'm being stupid again |
| 20:49 | cait | it's getting late |
| 20:49 | magnuse | it is! |
| 20:49 | jcamins | Hm, maybe I should ask the TM to do up a pull request now, and release another RC, then a final pull request on Saturday/ |
| 20:49 | Sunday. | |
| 20:50 | magnuse | sounds like a good plan to me |
| 20:50 | unless it's a lot of work for you or druthb_away | |
| 20:50 | jcamins | I think the pull requests are pretty easy. |
| 20:50 | Not sure. | |
| 20:51 | * cait | confirms that adding a patron form the german interface is no problem |
| 20:52 | magnuse | cait: the problem was with adding a new patron category... |
| 20:52 | * magnuse | really is off now |
| 20:53 | * jcamins | gazes blearily at this poster. |
| 20:54 | cait | right... and that's what i tested... it's getting late! |
| 20:55 | * jcamins | calls it a day. |
| 20:59 | tcohen | hi rangi, bgkriegel |
| 20:59 | bgkriegel | hi tcohen |
| 21:04 | rangi | hi there :) |
| 21:05 | bgkriegel | hi rangi |
| 21:05 | pianohacker | yo |
| 21:08 | tcohen | hi rangi, we could connect through talk maybe? |
| 21:09 | rangi | here is better :) |
| 21:09 | then others can read the log too | |
| 21:09 | i just have to grab a coffee then we can start | |
| 21:11 | pianohacker | coffee++ |
| 21:11 | wizzyrea | pianohacker! |
| 21:11 | wahanui | well, pianohacker is younger, I think. |
| 21:11 | tcohen | hmm, ceylon here |
| 21:11 | (too much coffee at work time today) | |
| 21:12 | pianohacker | hey wizzy :) how are you doing? |
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| 21:12 | wizzyrea | i'm well! |
| 21:12 | tcohen | is Chris Hall around? |
| 21:12 | wizzyrea | and you? |
| 21:12 | pianohacker | see, given the crazy schedules we all keep, ... |
| 21:12 | wizzyrea | not yet tcohen |
| 21:12 | pianohacker | @karma coffee |
| 21:12 | huginn | pianohacker: Karma for "coffee" has been increased 5 times and decreased 1 time for a total karma of 4. |
| 21:12 | rangi | right, ready to go? |
| 21:12 | pianohacker | is too low |
| 21:12 | rangi | not yet |
| 21:13 | bgkriegel | yes |
| 21:13 | pianohacker | wizzyrea: fantastic, just started work with bywater, and have surgery for auditory implant on monday |
| 21:13 | wizzyrea | ! minor surgery I hope |
| 21:14 | pianohacker | elective; I've been pretty deaf in my right ear for a decade, and this is to put in a bone-implanted hearing aid that will bring it back |
| 21:14 | tcohen | ready to go rangi |
| 21:14 | rangi | ok, so here's how i do it |
| 21:14 | pianohacker | it's outpatient, I'll just look like I fought a very small bear for a few weeks |
| 21:14 | rangi | http://git.koha-community.org/[…]ha.git;a=shortlog |
| 21:15 | normally i watch that url | |
| 21:15 | (master) | |
| 21:15 | but now since we are close to 3.12 i have been watching | |
| 21:15 | http://git.koha-community.org/[…]refs/heads/3.12.x | |
| 21:15 | heres the 2 branches i look after | |
| 21:15 | http://git.koha-community.org/[…]refs/heads/3.10.x | |
| 21:15 | http://git.koha-community.org/[…]=refs/heads/3.8.x | |
| 21:16 | now if you look at the 3.10.x you will see near the top is bug 9679 | |
| 21:16 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9679 major, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Stable , can't place hold from cart in CCSR |
| 21:16 | rangi | and if you look here |
| 21:16 | http://git.koha-community.org/[…]refs/heads/3.12.x | |
| 21:16 | and find 9679 | |
| 21:16 | that is where i am up to in the queue | |
| 21:17 | (ive let it build up a few days so I have something to show you) | |
| 21:17 | bgkriegel | ok :) |
| 21:17 | rangi | so essentially you have to watch the branch ahead of you |
| 21:17 | ie, 3.12.x watches master, 3.10.x watches 3.12.x | |
| 21:17 | etc | |
| 21:18 | so the next bug in my queue is bug 10134 | |
| 21:18 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10134 normal, P5 - low, ---, mtj, Pushed to Master , set XSLT usage ON as default, for new Koha installs |
| 21:18 | rangi | so i pull that up in bugzilla and have a quick read |
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| 21:19 | rangi | now in my opinion that is not a change we should put in a stable branch |
| 21:19 | cait | i am almost certain bug 10043 is a duplicate, but I can't find it. grr. |
| 21:19 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10043 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, amit.gupta, Needs Signoff , Clear notforloan on receipt |
| 21:19 | rangi | so i would not cherry-pick it |
| 21:20 | tcohen | it is changing a default behaviour |
| 21:20 | rangi | but what i will do, is not on the bug that im not doing that, so i remember |
| 21:20 | bgkriegel | Q: not for 3.10.x if not in 3.12.x? |
| 21:20 | rangi | like that |
| 21:21 | bgkriegel: yeah, thats a pretty good rule of thumb, sometimes however there is a patch for a bug that is only present in an older version | |
| 21:21 | gaetan_B | bye ! |
| 21:21 | rangi | so you do need to keep an eye on the bugs list |
| 21:21 | (i have filters set up) | |
| 21:21 | and skim read almost all the bug mail | |
| 21:22 | bgkriegel | ok |
| 21:22 | rangi | but you really only have to care about things that are either pushed to master, pushed to stable or passed qa |
| 21:22 | if they arent in one of those states, its not time for us maintainers yet :) | |
| 21:22 | bgkriegel | yeap :) |
| 21:22 | rangi | http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]g.cgi?id=10134#c6 |
| 21:22 | huginn | 04Bug 10134: normal, P5 - low, ---, mtj, Pushed to Master , set XSLT usage ON as default, for new Koha installs |
| 21:23 | rangi | so i did a comment like that |
| 21:23 | and then i just move on | |
| 21:23 | bug 10225 | |
| 21:23 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10225 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , If an item isn't editable, don't show the onclick Edit/Delete menu |
| 21:23 | rangi | what do you reckon about that one? |
| 21:23 | tcohen | QAed |
| 21:24 | rangi | it reads to me like its something we should fix in stable |
| 21:25 | tcohen | yes |
| 21:25 | bgkriegel | yes |
| 21:25 | cait | QAM agrees |
| 21:25 | ;) | |
| 21:25 | rangi | so the first thing i would do is check it applys |
| 21:25 | so i check out my 3.10.x branch | |
| 21:26 | tcohen | teacher, do we have some feed to follow for the latest commits? (:-P) |
| 21:26 | rangi | fetch and merge |
| 21:26 | yep | |
| 21:26 | http://git.koha-community.org/[…]refs/heads/3.12.x | |
| 21:26 | scroll to the bottom | |
| 21:26 | there are links for atom and rss feeds | |
| 21:26 | tcohen | excelent |
| 21:27 | is git bz the right tool for fetching and merging? | |
| 21:27 | rangi | i cherry-pick |
| 21:27 | so i look here | |
| 21:27 | http://git.koha-community.org/[…]705a5db9b11ad7672 | |
| 21:28 | then i do | |
| 21:28 | git cherry-pick -x 1a8db0ba7d62a70cd6b49ee705a5db9b11ad7672 | |
| 21:28 | it doesnt apply clean | |
| 21:28 | * wizzyrea | googles -x |
| 21:28 | rangi | error: could not apply 1a8db0b... Bug 10225 - If an item isn't editable, don't show the onclick Edit/Delete menu |
| 21:28 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10225 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , If an item isn't editable, don't show the onclick Edit/Delete menu |
| 21:28 | rangi | hint: after resolving the conflicts, mark the corrected paths |
| 21:29 | pastebot | "rangi" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "index 46d99b5,1043965..0000000" (24 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/11 |
| 21:30 | rangi | now i think i could fix this |
| 21:30 | so i look at http://git.koha-community.org/[…]8ddcc71ddc37cc12e | |
| 21:30 | (with git show usually) | |
| 21:30 | to see what the original commmit did | |
| 21:30 | and check that what i think the fix would be is right | |
| 21:31 | and then i would fix this | |
| 21:31 | because its a very simple conflict | |
| 21:31 | but if i was unsure at all | |
| 21:31 | i would write on teh bug | |
| 21:31 | 'This does not apply cleanly to 3.10.x please submit one formatted for 3.10.x' | |
| 21:32 | so ill fix this | |
| 21:33 | edit | |
| 21:33 | git add file | |
| 21:33 | git commit | |
| 21:33 | this adds 2 lines to the commit message | |
| 21:33 | (cherry picked from commit 1a8db0ba7d62a70cd6b49ee705a5db9b11ad7672) | |
| 21:33 | Conflicts: koha-tmpl/intranet-tmpl/prog/en/modules/cataloguing/additem.tt | |
| 21:33 | which helps if we ever have to track anything down to with this | |
| 21:34 | now i get to test, i have to test a bit more cos i fixed a conflict | |
| 21:34 | id start with a prove t | |
| 21:34 | just cos thats habbit | |
| 21:35 | but for this change not needed, we dont change any perl, just a template | |
| 21:35 | for this i want to run some xt tests | |
| 21:35 | perl xt/tt_valid.t | |
| 21:36 | perl xt/author/valid_templates.t | |
| 21:36 | then ill test it on a running koha | |
| 21:36 | * rangi | quickly does that |
| 21:36 | rangi | it has a good test plan so thats easy |
| 21:37 | and luckily i have more than one branch set up :) | |
| 21:37 | right its working for me | |
| 21:37 | i also know that katrin and jared and nicole have all tested this too | |
| 21:38 | martian523 joined #koha | |
| 21:38 | rangi | so im pretty confident, im more testing i didnt mess up in my conflict fix |
| 21:38 | so im happy | |
| 21:38 | im gonna push this | |
| 21:38 | so i sign off | |
| 21:38 | git commit --amend -s | |
| 21:38 | * cait | watches them all scribbling down notes |
| 21:38 | martian523 | hi, it took me a long time to log in to this chatrrom |
| 21:38 | rangi | then i run |
| 21:39 | martian523 | i kept getting this message : Closing Link: ircip4.mibbit.com (Banned) |
| 21:39 | cait | hi martian523 |
| 21:39 | rangi | git push gitmastergit.koha-community.org:koha.git 3.10.x |
| 21:39 | and its now pushed up | |
| 21:39 | and jenkins will start testing it | |
| 21:39 | wizzyrea | mibbit and oftc must be having a disagreement |
| 21:40 | rangi | technically we should be in string freeze and that was a template change, but i havent called string freeze yet, will do later today :) |
| 21:40 | now, what do you think .. shall i also cherry pick this down to 3.8.x ? | |
| 21:40 | * rangi | hopes i havent totally confusd people |
| 21:41 | martian523 | anyways, i want to ask if there's a way for koha to get marc field 245 and marc field 880 to show up when sending out notices to patrons |
| 21:41 | bag | I like cherries :P |
| 21:41 | cait | martian523: 245$a should show - but not the 880 |
| 21:41 | wizzyrea | https://webchat.oftc.net/ |
| 21:41 | * rangi | pauses |
| 21:42 | cait | martian523: notices are build using the information from items, bilbio and biblioitems, there is no access to the marc currently and you can't really map 880 |
| 21:42 | rangi | bgkriegel: tcohen ... did i lose you? |
| 21:42 | bgkriegel | i'll try, is small change |
| 21:42 | no rangi :) | |
| 21:42 | thinking | |
| 21:42 | tcohen | i think we need to check the bug is present in 3.8 |
| 21:43 | martian523 | i see. so there's really no way to show the original characters unless i move them to 245 |
| 21:43 | cait | which one are you looking at? |
| 21:43 | rangi | yep, thats the first thing to chceck |
| 21:43 | cait | martian523: i think right now that is true |
| 21:43 | tcohen | because it might have side effects of course |
| 21:43 | cait | martian523: well for notices, 880 will show on detail pages and result lists wth xslt turned on |
| 21:44 | rangi | this one is pretty safe, but yes in general that is a good rule |
| 21:44 | * tcohen | agrees |
| 21:45 | tcohen | we'll be very carefull because there are some bits we might not be familiar with (yet) |
| 21:45 | rangi | so i think we should cherry-pick this back |
| 21:45 | martian523 | thanks |
| 21:45 | rangi | so what i will do is checkout 3.8.x |
| 21:45 | martian523 | so is there something wrong with the irc chat link? |
| 21:46 | rangi | make sure its up to day |
| 21:46 | date even | |
| 21:46 | then cherry-pick the commit i just made (ie the one we have already fixed the conflict in) | |
| 21:46 | cait | martian523: i would think maybe too many users from mibbit or oftc blocking mibbit for some reason - wrong only because it's mibbit. if you install an irc client it's probably working better |
| 21:47 | rangi | it applies clean (cos i fixed it already) |
| 21:47 | test again | |
| 21:47 | martian523 | ok, thanks! |
| 21:47 | tcohen | you cherry pick from 3.10 rangi? |
| 21:47 | wizzyrea | or use that link I just posted |
| 21:47 | webchat.oftc.net | |
| 21:47 | rangi | exactly |
| 21:47 | git cherry-pick -x 0394a8f8ce88b6883cd2a14d57971713f98be346 | |
| 21:48 | otherwise we would get the same conflict and have to fix it again | |
| 21:48 | right thats working | |
| 21:48 | so i can push that up to 3.8.x | |
| 21:49 | git push gitmastergit.koha-community.org:koha.git 3.8.x |
|
| 21:49 | and i update the bug | |
| 21:49 | switching it to pushed to stable | |
| 21:49 | and a comment | |
| 21:49 | wahanui | a comment is enough? |
| 21:50 | rangi | http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]g.cgi?id=10225#c5 |
| 21:50 | huginn | 04Bug 10225: normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Stable , If an item isn't editable, don't show the onclick Edit/Delete menu |
| 21:50 | rangi | so youd be |
| 21:50 | pushed to 3.12.x will be in 3.12.1 | |
| 21:50 | and then the next one pushed to 3.10.x will be in 3.10.7 etc | |
| 21:51 | (im just doing 2 branches at once) | |
| 21:51 | tcohen | don't we need more "Pushed to" flags? |
| 21:51 | (now that we are separate individuals pushing to stable branches) | |
| 21:51 | rangi | not really |
| 21:51 | we had separate when jared was rmaint with me | |
| 21:52 | basically rm maint 3.12.x watches for pushed for master | |
| 21:52 | 3.10.x watches for pushed to stable | |
| 21:52 | 3.8.x just looks for any that have a "Pushed to 3.10.x" comment | |
| 21:53 | but mostly | |
| 21:53 | i just watch the commits | |
| 21:53 | and only look for things like this | |
| 21:53 | bug 7228 | |
| 21:53 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7228 major, P5 - low, ---, christophe.croullebois, Pushed to Stable , can't order more than 1 when importing all from staged file |
| 21:54 | rangi | http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]g.cgi?id=7228#c19 |
| 21:54 | huginn | 04Bug 7228: major, P5 - low, ---, christophe.croullebois, Pushed to Stable , can't order more than 1 when importing all from staged file |
| 21:54 | rangi | thats a good example of one with a conflict i didnt want to fix myself |
| 21:54 | jenkins_koha | Starting build #121 for job Koha_3.10.x (previous build: SUCCESS) |
| 21:54 | * rangi | hopes this is useful |
| 21:55 | rangi | when we get closer to your first release i can show you how to create the release notes and roll the tarball etc |
| 21:55 | but i think this is enough for now? | |
| 21:55 | cait | tcohen++ bgkriegel++ cjh++ :) |
| 21:55 | rangi | what i need from all 3 rmaints |
| 21:55 | cjh | I find it really helpful when it says "pushed to 3.12.x will be in 3.12.1", especially later when I go digging :) |
| 21:55 | rangi | is your ssh keys |
| 21:55 | cait | same here :) |
| 21:56 | rangi | so i can add you to being able to push to your branches |
| 21:56 | so if you can email me your public key | |
| 21:56 | that you want to use | |
| 21:56 | ill add that | |
| 21:56 | cjh | are we allowed to have multiple public keys? |
| 21:57 | rangi | id rather you didnt :) |
| 21:57 | you can, but its just a bit messier to set up | |
| 21:57 | it might be worth making one | |
| 21:57 | just for this | |
| 21:57 | cjh | I will just make one for rmaint and share it across machines :) |
| 21:57 | yeah. | |
| 21:57 | tcohen | chrisbigballofwax |
| 21:57 | ? | |
| 21:58 | cjh | so we are sworn into office when 3.12 is released? |
| 21:58 | rangi | yep |
| 21:59 | you take over the very next day! | |
| 21:59 | hehe | |
| 21:59 | cjh | *gulp* |
| 21:59 | rangi | basically 3.10.6 and 3.8.13 |
| 21:59 | come out on 22 may | |
| 21:59 | and thats when im stopping | |
| 21:59 | cjh | wow 3.8.13, that is a big number |
| 21:59 | cait | but you got 1 month then to figure it all out :) |
| 21:59 | rangi | 13 releases ;) |
| 22:00 | its got probably 5 more | |
| 22:00 | to hit its 18 month mark | |
| 22:00 | i think 18 months is a good life for a stable branch | |
| 22:00 | cait | so we are going to have 3 releases in maintenance? wow |
| 22:00 | cjh | sounds good to me |
| 22:00 | rangi | we had 3 this time |
| 22:00 | 3.6. had a couple of releases | |
| 22:00 | its hit its 18 months tho and is dead | |
| 22:00 | cait | true |
| 22:01 | cjh | I think it is very cool having multiple stable branches supported, takes a bit of pressure off around upgrading. |
| 22:01 | cait | time to get off that koha |
| 22:01 | rangi | yup |
| 22:01 | got your key thanks tcohen | |
| 22:01 | ill set that up tonight | |
| 22:01 | nz time | |
| 22:02 | you can practice on local branches of course | |
| 22:02 | if you want | |
| 22:02 | bgkriegel | of course |
| 22:03 | tcohen | ok rangi, i'll be practicing a bit |
| 22:03 | * cjh | goes to read over rangi's notes |
| 22:04 | eythian | hi |
| 22:04 | cjh | morning eythian |
| 22:04 | cait | hi eythian |
| 22:04 | bye all :) | |
| 22:04 | eythian | bye cait |
| 22:04 | cjh | bye :) |
| 22:05 | cait left #koha | |
| 22:05 | tcohen | rangi: i guess we'll stick to the current schedule for the releases |
| 22:06 | what about release-tools git repo? | |
| 22:06 | rangi | yeah thats what i use to do the release |
| 22:06 | tcohen | is it of any use for rmaint? or just for gmcharlt ? |
| 22:06 | rangi | to do the creating the tarballs and release notes |
| 22:07 | but i can show you that closer to the release if you want | |
| 22:07 | tcohen: yeah 15th for string feeze 22nd for release | |
| 22:07 | tcohen | of course rangi |
| 22:07 | rangi | ive been doing it nz time, you can do it argentinian time :) |
| 22:07 | its easier that way | |
| 22:07 | cjh | heh |
| 22:08 | bgkriegel | hehe |
| 22:08 | tcohen | have a few more questions |
| 22:08 | what do u think of security releases? | |
| 22:08 | cjh | the more questions you ask, the less I have to :) |
| 22:08 | rangi | ah yep ive done one or 2 of those |
| 22:08 | tcohen | as rmaint you'd hurry to get a new version out, right? |
| 22:08 | rangi | yep |
| 22:09 | tcohen | the other question regards the rmaint infrastructure |
| 22:09 | should we test packaging stuff? | |
| 22:09 | leave it to eythian? | |
| 22:09 | rangi | tcohen: if its something that needs a release asap release it asap |
| 22:09 | i test it | |
| 22:10 | tcohen | also: that debian thing :-D |
| 22:10 | rangi | however its usually fine, if its been pushed to master |
| 22:10 | tcohen | should we stick to debian squeeze VPS for the testing phase? |
| 22:10 | rangi | well wheezy is out |
| 22:10 | so will be moving the packages to that i would imagine | |
| 22:11 | but for now squeeze is still a cood one | |
| 22:11 | tcohen | I mostly use 12.04 and faced troubles with perl 5.14 vs 5.10 in jenkins |
| 22:11 | rangi | yep |
| 22:11 | jenkins will upgrade at some point i imagine, (its a biblibre machine so I would have to check with them) | |
| 22:12 | 5.10 is still currently our base | |
| 22:12 | jcamins | I've been RMing on 12.04, but I do some testing on Squeeze. |
| 22:12 | rangi | for 3.10.x and 3.8.x .. jcamins 5.10 for 3.12.x too eh? |
| 22:12 | eythian | tcohen: packages don't yet cleanly work on wheezy, I hope to get that sorted soon. |
| 22:12 | rangi | as in, everything should work in 5.10 up |
| 22:13 | jcamins | Right. |
| 22:13 | rangi | id imaging 3.14 would go to 5.14 |
| 22:14 | tcohen | we should have RMaint guidelines in the wiki |
| 22:14 | cjh | tcohen++ |
| 22:14 | rangi | well you can pretty much do it however you want |
| 22:14 | if you are crazy enough to want to be rmaint or rm | |
| 22:15 | you get to choose your workflow | |
| 22:15 | jcamins | ^^ exactly |
| 22:15 | rangi | but writing up some best practices wouldnt hurt |
| 22:15 | or things people find useful | |
| 22:15 | jcamins | I think it'd be a great idea. |
| 22:15 | bgkriegel | there is a little about cherry-pick (http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]_Git_Cherry_Pick) |
| 22:15 | jcamins | All my documentation -- I think -- is in release-tools the release-tools repo on git.k-c.org and my home-bin repo on git.cpbibliography.com. |
| 22:16 | tcohen | I think people doing RM and RMaint should have a blog where they share their thoughts on the subject :-P |
| 22:16 | rangi | mine is in this log |
| 22:16 | i used to | |
| 22:16 | tcohen | :-P |
| 22:16 | * jcamins | thinks that's a great idea. Go for it! |
| 22:16 | rangi | but i just use my own blog now |
| 22:17 | tcohen | ok rangi, jcamins: i'm happy to do this |
| 22:17 | rangi | http://blog.bigballofwax.co.nz[…]-release-process/ |
| 22:17 | and | |
| 22:17 | http://blog.bigballofwax.co.nz[…]no-not-like-that/ | |
| 22:17 | etc | |
| 22:17 | tcohen | i hope it lasts :-D |
| 22:19 | rangi | also |
| 22:19 | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9gEy2FJ_AiA | |
| 22:20 | and this is a good one for testing | |
| 22:20 | http://grooveshark.com/#!/play[…]ir+Money/57969319 | |
| 22:21 | tcohen | guess will start with that, until we get our own lists |
| 22:21 | rangi | heh |
| 22:22 | tcohen | last question (sorry) |
| 22:22 | git push gitmastergit.koha-community.org:koha.git 3.10.x |
|
| 22:22 | this pushes the current (local) branch into the remote's 3.10.x ? | |
| 22:22 | jcamins | No. |
| 22:22 | That pushes the local branch 3.10.x to whatever is mapped to on the remote. | |
| 22:23 | I never _ever_ use that syntax. | |
| 22:23 | rangi | heres one specially for you https://soundcloud.com/latinao[…]ego-en-mi-corazon |
| 22:23 | however i always do :) | |
| 22:23 | tcohen | i use: git push github 3.10.x:3.10.x |
| 22:23 | jcamins | ^^ that's what I use. |
| 22:24 | tcohen | so its a matter of confidence on the implicit stuff |
| 22:24 | jcamins | Right. |
| 22:24 | cjh | it also somewhat depends on your git settings, so be careful :) |
| 22:27 | tcohen | ok, thanks rangi for the explanation, we'll be in touch for further questions |
| 22:28 | cjh | hmmm 'git push repo ref' means pushing your local ref to the same named ref on the repo, so git push settings dont seem to matter \o/ |
| 22:28 | jcamins | cjh: are you sure? |
| 22:29 | Oh, I know what it is. | |
| 22:29 | cjh | git push repo src:dst, and dst will default to src if omitted. |
| 22:29 | jcamins | The reason I don't do that is because I had a 3.6/testing branch, and I couldn't push to that without the explicit name. |
| 22:29 | tcohen | yes, my example also contained some stuff implicit |
| 22:30 | (both the remote and local branches where called the same) | |
| 22:30 | cjh | I was worried about git.push.default settings, but since you are specifying a ref it isnt dangerous :) |
| 22:30 | jcamins: yeah if you have a local ref of the same name as the foreign but they contain different things, it could be bad. | |
| 22:30 | although if it isnt a clean fast forward it *should* be rejected :) | |
| 22:31 | jcamins | And it is. |
| 22:31 | cjh | rangi: I presume we dont have rewrite permissions? |
| 22:31 | jcamins | The problem is when your local testing branch contains things that you are eventually going to decide you don't want to push. |
| 22:31 | cjh | yeah, that could be problematic :) |
| 22:32 | tcohen | oh, that workflow i'm not used to |
| 22:32 | putting several patches together in a branch before pushing | |
| 22:32 | rangi | cjh: no, no -f |
| 22:32 | cjh | awesome. |
| 22:32 | wahanui | That'll be $1 for the awesome jar, cjh |
| 22:33 | tcohen | ok, bye #koha, leaving |
| 22:34 | bgkriegel | rangi: thank you very much. Now we need to practice a lot :) |
| 22:34 | rangi | :) |
| 22:35 | jenkins_koha | Project Koha_3.10.x build #121: SUCCESS in 40 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]/Koha_3.10.x/121/ |
| 22:35 | Owen Leonard: Bug 10225 - If an item isn't editable, don't show the onclick Edit/Delete menu | |
| 22:35 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10225 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Stable , If an item isn't editable, don't show the onclick Edit/Delete menu |
| 22:35 | jenkins_koha | Starting build #316 for job Koha_3.8.x (previous build: SUCCESS) |
| 22:35 | cjh | if you want to practise with remotes you could make a fake github upstream |
| 22:36 | bgkriegel | yeap, i'll try with that first |
| 22:37 | ok, to the kitchen. I have to make dinner :) | |
| 22:37 | Bye all | |
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| 23:05 | pianohac1er | I'm done for the day, good night all |
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| 23:13 | jenkins_koha | Project Koha_3.8.x build #316: SUCCESS in 38 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]b/Koha_3.8.x/316/ |
| 23:13 | * Chris Cormack: Bug 9591 : Set Library changes after viewing Holds Queue >> reserves item | |
| 23:13 | * Owen Leonard: Bug 10225 - If an item isn't editable, don't show the onclick Edit/Delete menu | |
| 23:13 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9591 blocker, P3, ---, chris, Pushed to Stable , Set Library changes after viewing Holds Queue >> reserves item |
| 23:13 | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10225 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Stable , If an item isn't editable, don't show the onclick Edit/Delete menu | |
| 23:19 | BobB joined #koha | |
| 23:32 | jcamins | trea: it's not fixed by the patch that I just pushed? |
| 23:32 | trea | which patch? |
| 23:32 | wahanui | which patch are we talking about? |
| 23:32 | jcamins | I just pushed a patch to fix the printing of tables under FF. |
| 23:33 | Bug 10108. | |
| 23:33 | wizzyrea | 10108 |
| 23:33 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10108 major, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , can't print more than one page of overdues |
| 23:33 | wizzyrea | it was broken as of yesterday in master |
| 23:33 | trea | i haven't tested today in master to be fair |
| 23:34 | jcamins | Right, but I pushed it today. |
| 23:34 | That's why I asked. | |
| 23:34 | trea | i suppose it's time to test again, innit. |
| 23:36 | jcamins | I think you should be safe from me saying "didn't I just push a fix?" for a while now. |
| 23:36 | Well, other than bug 10030 which I'll look at shortly. | |
| 23:36 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10030 major, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, Passed QA , MaxFines checks against amount, not amount outstanding |
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