IRC log for #koha, 2013-05-10

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00:26 drnoe well good night folks
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01:09 jcamins The macaroons are tasty, but slightly less than cohesive.
01:09 To put it mildly.
01:09 dcook What sort of macaroons did you make?
01:09 trea macaroons can be really fickle to make
01:10 pretty subject to humidity and other factors
01:10 jcamins dcook: just regular macaroons.
01:10 wizzyrea the coconut ones or the eggwhite ones
01:10 dcook I meant the stacks or the little cookie type things
01:10 jcamins Coconut.
01:10 Oh.
01:10 Haystacks.
01:10 dcook Yumm
01:11 jcamins The egg white ones are called macarons. wizzyrea taught me that earlier.
01:11 wizzyrea I make raw ones now - coconut, ground almonds, honey, a bit of milk
01:11 they are yum
01:11 trea they are quite good
01:12 jcamins You know what's delicious?
01:12 Goat cheese-date truffles.
01:12 wizzyrea anything with coconut?
01:12 oh, well yes
01:12 jcamins That too.
01:12 trea i'd imagine so
01:13 wizzyrea http://www.blogilates.com/reci[…]acarons-wait-what (ignore the silliness of that post and skip straight to the recipe)
01:14 jcamins That's my stand-by raw recipe.
01:15 bag Sonja and I joined a fish-share thingy here in SB…  once a week fresh fish caught off the coast
01:15 we got Salmon last night!  amazing
01:15 wizzyrea nice!
01:15 trea mmm salmon
01:16 jcamins wizzyrea: looks like sweetened coconut?
01:16 wizzyrea she used sweetened, I used dessicated
01:16 good either way
01:17 jcamins http://www.buzzfeed.com/daves4[…]rrationally-angry
01:17 bag jcamins: we've done goat-cheese wrapped in dates, and then wrapped in kale - and was actually quite good
01:18 oh I am sending that link to Sonja!
01:18 wizzyrea reminds me of "you had one job
01:18 trea you had one job!
01:18 ^
01:18 cjh heh
01:18 jcamins: awesome
01:19 trea aka, "how to upset the OCD afflicted in your life."
01:19 * dcook perks up
01:20 dcook Oh  my...
01:20 bag where's 25 :P
01:20 trea that's the best part
01:20 cjh heh
01:20 dcook http://thingsorganizedneatly.tumblr.com/
01:21 wizzyrea http://hadonejob.com/
01:21 bag I did try being cute leaving the ? out :P
01:21 cjh dcook: ahhh, calming order.
01:22 dcook :D
01:23 eythian http://www.geoguessr.com/
01:24 wizzyrea 9926 points. no idea if that's good or bad
01:25 jcamins Better than I'm going to do.
01:25 eythian fairly good. I think I got 8000 or so
01:25 jcamins Oh, wait.
01:25 You can rotate.
01:27 eythian also move along the road
01:27 > You missed with 1.815 km which gave 3168 points
01:27 so close!
01:28 wizzyrea !
01:28 that's quite impressive
01:28 eythian (I could see a bus that has "Aberdeen" on the back.)
01:28 trea yeah, my 2nd guess was off by .98 km
01:28 :P
01:28 cjh heh I ended up in a desert, no road signage or anything.
01:28 trea 8185 pts. that's not bad
01:29 bag 7620
01:30 jcamins wtf? Every single one was in Australia!
01:30 bag Mine had a whaddaburger sign
01:30 eythian > You got 10736 points in total.
01:30 bag I guessed florida
01:30 wizzyrea 10333 the 2nd time round
01:30 eythian It does give a disproprtionate amount in Australia
01:30 bag I was way off - of course it was texas
01:30 wizzyrea you've bested me this time eythian
01:31 eythian Of note is that AU and NZ roadsigns look similar enough to be easy to confuse :)
01:33 wizzyrea hehe
01:33 spain looks like everywhere.
01:33 so do the balkan nations.
01:34 jcamins Argh! It was Portugal not Brazil.
01:36 cjh heh
01:37 jcamins Jeez I suck at this game.
01:39 bag me too
01:39 I can't break 10k to save my life
01:39 but I do have to say it's really cool
01:41 * dcook is booking his plane tickets to KohaCon13 at this moment!
01:41 dcook Exciting!!!
01:41 wizzyrea confetti!
01:41 wahanui o/ '`'`'`'`'`'`'`'`
01:42 dcook Oooh. Air Canada remembered my search settings. Nice one, AC.
01:53 * dcook wonders why an airline needs to know his gender...
01:53 rangi true
01:53 dcook Hmm TSA apparently
01:53 Oh USA...
01:54 rangi ah yeah
01:54 dcook When travelling to, from or via the U.S., or on a flight that will be flying over the continental U.S. (excluding flights between two points in Canada), passengers must provide their gender and date of birth. TSA Privacy Notice.
01:54 rangi terrorists are always men donchaknow
01:54 dcook Yup
01:54 They even have "Redress numbers"
01:54 In case you share the same name as a terrorist or watched person
01:54 rangi that would suck
01:55 eythian the standard procedure was to be or become a congressman so you had the clout to get your name removed.
01:55 So I guess phonenumbers are an improvement.
01:55 bag yeah TSA is pretty crazy
01:56 sorry USA TSA is pretty crazy
01:56 eythian "This person is such a risk we can't let him travel, but not enough that we could arrest him."
01:56 bag: I think only the US has a TSA :)
01:56 bag thanks
01:57 I was saying - sadly of course usa tsa thinks they are the most important…
01:57 and then
01:57 eythian Well, there is The Scout Association in the UK...
01:57 bag dumbasses
01:57 :P
01:57 eythian Oh, and a polish metal band.
01:58 bag oh that's awesome
01:58 remind me the next time I fly - to ask them if they are in a polish metal band
01:58 rangi heh
01:59 bag TSA is dumb - every country has screening and every country has got problems - you don't need to pretend ……  (sorry I got tired of talking about it)
02:00 eythian actually, you can fly within NZ without screening.
02:00 It's like getting on a bus.
02:00 bag within
02:00 but if I came there - they screen me right?  and they aren't that hard…  you have something on this list - you can't bring it in
02:00 eythian yeah
02:00 most of that is biosecurity
02:00 bag TSA are dumbasses :P
02:01 wizzyrea ^
02:01 bag BUT I would love the within airplane flight like a bus flight
02:01 wizzyrea don't try to bring in outdoor gear, fresh food of any kind, or too much medicine, and you'll pretty much be golden.
02:01 bag s/flight/trip
02:01 eythian if you bring in muddy shoes, they wash them for you. That's handy to know.
02:01 rangi some flights get security
02:02 anything to auckland
02:02 wizzyrea and if you do have it, declare it. because they don't get mad about it.
02:02 eythian rangi: not anything to auckland, just some
02:02 wizzyrea if you declare and have to pitch it, they at least don't fine you :P
02:02 bag eythian++ declare and they dont' get mad - that's the key :)
02:02 jcamins 10357!
02:02 eythian if the plane is capable of being hijacked and going to Australia, then it has to be screened.
02:03 wizzyrea oh so planes over a certain size
02:03 eythian certain range, but yeah
02:03 wizzyrea well size... bigger plane = longer haul
02:03 though you can't even land the biggest ones in wellington.
02:04 bag hmm.. back track - ok so all of the "officers" that you deal with there - view this as normal procedure…  I like that…
02:04 wizzyrea it simply can't be done
02:04 bag TSA get there panties in a wad
02:04 rangi its the number of seats not het range
02:04 bag TSA = panty wads = dumb :P
02:04 rangi over 90 seats you get screened
02:04 wizzyrea the first time we took an internal flight in NZ, security gave spud a lolly. :P
02:04 rangi 77B of the Civil Aviation Act
02:04 wizzyrea rangi++
02:04 eythian wizzyrea: they landed a dreamliner here
02:05 wizzyrea one of the stubby ones though?
02:05 eythian ah, is that it.
02:05 bag lolly's for spud is bad ass
02:05 rangi yeah if you kill 89 passengers thats fine
02:05 just not 90
02:05 :)
02:05 wizzyrea because there are short-body dreamlinesr
02:05 dreamliners
02:05 that can land here.
02:06 rangi they landed conchord, but empty
02:06 eythian wizzyrea: 787-8
02:06 wizzyrea surprised they got it off the ground again ^.^
02:06 eythian I think it had to be stripped down to take off again though :)
02:06 wizzyrea ^^ lulz
02:07 eythian ah: "While the interior is filled with test equipment and therefore far from showroom standard,..."
02:07 wizzyrea I suppose I should revise - you can't land a fully loaded standard huge plane here
02:07 eythian no
02:07 wizzyrea more importantly, if you land it
02:07 getting it back up might be a bit of a problem.
02:07 it might be leaving on a boat.
02:07 :P
02:10 rangi https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b4hq4PzZIq4
02:10 some pilots can't land anything at wellington :-)
02:10 * wizzyrea loves the extreme welly landings
02:10 rangi qantarse
02:10 wizzyrea the videos. Experiencing it is... less fun.
02:10 oh man that was this year!
02:10 rangi yep
02:10 wizzyrea right during that HUUUUGE wind storm
02:10 eythian after the severalth time, you get used to it
02:11 wizzyrea the most recent landing we had was a beauty
02:11 the first one... we thought we might die.
02:11 rangi the poor little ATRs
02:11 wizzyrea good point that you should go out and tape planes landing on windy days.
02:11 ^.^
02:11 or at least watch.
02:12 rangi im waiting for the sounds air
02:12 those things are 10 seaters
02:12 wizzyrea could *almost* see it from our house
02:12 if not for the ASB center
02:12 well round the corner anyway
02:13 i'm impressed that they were able to more or less land those places that gracefully during that particular wind
02:13 rangi ah 7 mins
02:13 trying to take off... that pilot is good
02:14 wizzyrea wheeeeeeee
02:14 * dcook has all his flights booked now.
02:14 dcook I'm actually going now! ^_^
02:14 The hotel reserve site looks like it's down though...
02:15 rangi :)
02:15 * dcook may or may not be giddy
02:15 eythian should go via wellington
02:15 bag later all - all you oceana peeps have a great weekend!  we all still have to work our firdays…  Hopefully you all have THE FUN!!!!!
02:15 dcook eythian: Originally, I was going to go through Auckland
02:16 The direct Sydney-Vancouver flight is rather nice though
02:16 eythian nah, you don't wanna go there.
02:16 dcook laterz bag
02:16 wizzyrea the fun?
02:16 wahanui hmmm... the fun is over, i'm switching back to drojf's usual tl:dr behaviour
02:16 bag THE FUN!
02:16 wahanui the fun is probably over, i'm switching back to drojf's usual tl:dr behaviour
02:16 dcook the funk?
02:16 * wizzyrea is going to see glow worms tonight
02:16 dcook glow worms?
02:17 bag wizzyrea: that is the FUN
02:17 eythian where abouts?
02:17 bag send me pictures please :)  (already asked trea)
02:17 wizzyrea http://wellington.govt.nz/recr[…]n/events-calendar
02:17 glow in the dark glow worm tour
02:18 founders entrance on glenmore street
02:28 dcook wizzyrea: That looks awesome!
02:34 * jcamins decides to book tickets to Kohacon later.
02:42 dcook jcamins: That's what I kept saying as well
02:42 Mind you, your travel is a bit more straightforward..
02:42 jcamins dcook: yeah, but I'm trying to balance cost of being there versus sponsoring.
02:43 dcook Mmm, fair enough.
02:43 Hope you're able to make it. It would be great to catch up in person.
02:43 jcamins If ticket prices start going up before they provide any information about sponsoring, though, I guess I'll book and not sponsor.
02:43 I'll be there for part of it.
02:44 dcook :)
02:44 jcamins I'm trying to decide what part.
02:45 * jcamins discovers that actually there _is_ information on the Kohacon website, it's just not linked from the main kohacon13 page.
02:46 jcamins Oh wonderful, wise wizzyrea, any chance you could link "KohaCon13 Schedule" on http://koha-community.org/kohacon/kohacon13/ to http://koha-community.org/koha[…]hacon13/schedule/ ?
02:53 Oh, I guess there won't be any sponsorship information for two weeks.
02:53 That's a problem.
02:56 * jcamins e-mails Nancy.
02:58 eythian http://io9.com/the-trailer-for[…]rn-your-499171122
03:04 * dcook loves complementary shuttle buses
03:04 jcamins Even better are complimentary shuttle buses.
03:04 dcook complimentary complementary shuttle buses must be the best
03:05 jcamins "Why hellooo David, your hair looks great today."
03:05 dcook I do feel like I'm having a good hair day...
03:05 jcamins lol
03:07 dcook I like the last requirement :p
03:09 jcamins I have decided to make it my life's work to revive seventeenth century cooking... AND MAKE IT GO VIRAL ON TWIMBLERBOOKTEREST
03:09 eythian I've told you already.
03:09 wahanui: cooking help
03:09 wahanui cooking help is http://awfullibrarybooks.net/kitchen-tech/
03:09 jcamins eythian: I'll use that to do it.
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03:44 * jcamins heads to bed, having spent the last forty-five minutes contemplating how to make early modern cooking "trend" on Twimblerbookterest.
03:45 trea sounds awful
03:45 * wizzyrea blinks
03:45 eythian don't forget to put it up on Yourfaceinatube.com!
03:45 jcamins eythian: hehe.
03:46 wizzyrea *giggle*
03:46 jcamins You're right. I should aim higher.
03:46 twimblerbookterestube.
03:46 wizzyrea apparently you could still register yourfaceinatube.com
03:46 jcamins wizzyrea: good to know.
03:46 eythian yeah, I meant myfaceinatube.com
03:46 wizzyrea myface. silly.
03:46 eythian it makes more appropriate references, and is correct to the show that I used to watch
03:47 wizzyrea myfaceinatube redirects to abcfamily
03:47 trea friendface
03:47 wizzyrea kek.
03:47 eythian yeah, it was the standard social network in "The Middleman"
03:47 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T[…]leman_(TV_series)
03:48 wizzyrea is that one of those american reject tv shows that you all are famous for
03:48 eythian I dunno, I downloaded it.
03:48 wizzyrea "it ran for one season in the US - I know we should buy it!" - TV4
03:48 eythian I don't think it actualy existed here.
03:48 It was quite ridiculous, but still entertaining.
03:48 cjh http://blog.nj.com/entertainme[…]iddleman-sino.jpg
03:48 wizzyrea twoo would probably be more likely to do that.
03:49 with 2 o's to reflect the proper way to say "two"
03:49 rangi https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YOtpgz4L5d8
03:50 wizzyrea the ad efore that is quite interesting. it's got benedict cumberbatch. I cannot say no.
03:54 cjh 'we didnt burn him' heh
03:56 eythian the ad?
03:56 cjh the video rangi linked.
03:57 eythian that wasn't an ad, that was a video
03:57 wizzyrea mine had an ad :P
03:57 cjh oh you were replying to wizzyrea, my bad.
03:57 wizzyrea before the real content
03:57 eythian Really? How odd.
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04:59 cait oh no logbot
04:59 wizzyrea no?
04:59 wahanui http://i.imgur.com/hVVuP.jpg
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06:41 reiveune hello
06:41 dcook allo reiveune
06:43 * magnuse waves
06:45 dcook hey ya magnuse :)
06:46 cait hi all :)
06:46 and bbl :)
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06:54 magnuse hiya dcook
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07:11 drojf good morning #koha
07:11 dcook morning/evening drojf
07:12 drojf hi dcook
07:12 magnuse moin drojf
07:13 drojf hei magnuse
07:16 magnuse :-)
07:17 y'all better get cracking with the signoffs and the qa! http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]bug_squashing_day ;-)
07:17 * dcook is looking at the bug list
07:17 dcook It's...
07:17 drojf unfortunately my firefox os phone is coming today :p
07:17 dcook Lots of UNIMARC and packages
07:18 magnuse yeah
07:18 dcook drojf: my new computer arrived a few days ago, and I don't think I'll have time to even open the box until next weekend :p
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07:18 huginn GERMS!!!!
07:18 wahanui Germs originated in Germany, before rapidly spreading throughout the rest of the world.
07:18 kf hello
07:18 magnuse wb kf
07:18 drojf hi kf
07:19 kf hi drojf and magnuse
07:23 magnuse kf: any favourite bugs for squashing?
07:23 kf everything without string changes
07:24 the packaging commands would be nice
07:24 drojf those by tcohen?
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07:31 magnuse probably
07:32 dcook mhm
07:34 rangi dangit
07:34 power supply is dead, logbot will be down until monday or so
07:34 its being logged by alohalog` tho
07:35 eythian: if you see this, can you bring in your usb disk thingy, ill bring in the disks from out of my dead machine and get the stuff off them
07:43 dcook Interesting...BibLibre supports Rennes 2, but Rennes 2 still sends its own patches?
07:44 rangi as it should be in an ideal world
07:44 dcook No doubt, eh?
07:44 * dcook would love that
07:44 dcook Hmm...
07:44 cjh heh
07:45 dcook So many bugs...
07:48 kf rangi: dead machine? :(
07:49 magnuse dcook: so much fun to be had!
07:49 dcook magnuse: 11 minutes of bug testing then it's beer o'clock ;)
07:50 rangi yep
07:51 magnuse the race is on then: who can do most signoffs in 11 minutes?
07:52 kf :)
07:52 also testing the marc21 update would be cool
07:53 dcook marc21 update?
07:53 kf new fields
07:53 * dcook is trying to test bug 5544 but the email doesn't seem to be sending..
07:53 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5544 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, Needs Signoff , All Notices from Branch Email Address
07:53 kf @query marc21 update
07:53 huginn kf: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=2559 normal, P3, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Language limit on Spanish returns Russian records or is it English ...
07:53 kf: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7386 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, cnighswonger, NEW , Label batches cannot be batch deleted
07:54 kf: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3977 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , MARC21 Tag 321b
07:54 kf: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6891 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , LDIF interoperability - a proposal
07:54 kf: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=1368 major, P2, ---, mjr, REOPENED , Use of FOREIGN_KEY_CHECKS = 0
07:54 kf hm
07:54 none of those actually
07:54 dcook Is it the one that Bernardo did?
07:54 kf yep
07:55 dcook I looked at that one a bit, but figured it might take a bit of testing to make sure that no fields are being dropped
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07:55 dcook Even though maybe they should be dropped but that whole missing data thing could be a worry...
07:55 I'm intrigued to see if he adds all the tags for the authority frameworks though
07:55 kf yeah, I am against dropping
07:56 hiding would be fine
07:56 dcook Yeah, hiding would be all right
07:56 I assume
07:58 Hmm, nothing is being added to my dev message_queue either...no wonder I'm not getting emails..
07:58 kf @gbsd participants: as magnuse wrote - all bugs without string changes are still eligible for 3.12 - so concentrating on those woudl be awesome
07:58 huginn kf: I suck
08:04 magnuse rangi: how's the library collection coming along? :-)
08:11 s/library/library card/
08:17 dcook ok, that was more than 11 minutes and resulted in nothing :p
08:17 Weirdness going on with my dev install and circ alerts...
08:17 anyway, night all
08:35 magnuse dcook++ for trying :-)
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09:03 rangi magnuse: havent got any new ones
09:04 about 23 of them i think
09:04 magnuse ah, too bad :-)
09:04 rangi ill send another email in a week or 2
09:06 magnuse cool
09:18 rangi yay my phone is now in auckland
09:18 getting closer
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09:23 cjh rangi: assuming it doesnt come auckland to wellington via germany
09:24 rangi heh
09:24 magnuse you never know these days, do you...
09:27 we have fish in our stores thathas been 1. caught off the coast of norway, 2. sent to china for processing and packing and 3. sent back to norwegian shops
09:28 cjh heh that is efficient!
09:41 magnuse oh yeah...
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10:26 kf magnuse: worrysome that it's cheaper to do that than doing it in norway :(
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11:07 magnuse kf: yup. prices in norway are crazy
11:07 * magnuse hopes for kohacon in norway some day anyway...
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11:52 * kf hopes for kohacon here... but maybe not on a rainy day like today
11:55 magnuse pft, who wants to go outside during kohacon? ;-)
11:59 pastebot "nengard" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "report help - i'm missing something small" (6 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/12
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12:01 nengard nevermind
12:01 :)
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12:33 oleonard So uh, anyone globally squashing bugs?
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12:46 kf oleonard: wish I could, but probably not before tonight
12:46 you all feel free to fill up the qa queue tho :)
12:47 oleonard I don't think there's anything on the needs-signoff list that I know how to test, but I'll look again.
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13:07 nengard oleonard i wanted to try and write a patch the patron info found on the top left of the patron pages - but can't figure out what file has that info ... can you help me find the file?
13:08 oleonard includes/circ-menu.inc and includes/circ-menu.tt (yeah, there's two that are virtually identical)
13:09 nengard oh!!!
13:09 I'm focusing on members-
13:09 didn't think about circ :)
13:09 thanks
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14:00 oleonard @seen rambutan
14:00 huginn oleonard: rambutan was last seen in #koha 2 days, 15 hours, 26 minutes, and 38 seconds ago: <rambutan> tnx for tip
14:25 gmcharlt @quote random
14:25 huginn gmcharlt: Quote #15: "<|Lupin|>ricardo: you are like the Portuguese Hitchcock!!" (added by wizzyrea at 02:58 PM, July 10, 2009)
14:26 druthb @quote random
14:26 huginn druthb: Quote #236: "eythian: Broadening Koha's appeal and making it ready for a post-MARC world. <-- post-MARC world sounds like post apocalyptic world , except it's MARC, so it's more like post-post-apocalyptic world" (added by wizzyrea at 10:10 PM, March 12, 2013)
14:26 oleonard Wow that's some heavily faded context
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15:02 reiveune bye
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15:37 senator @marc 740
15:37 huginn senator: Contains related or analytical titles that are not controlled through an authority file or list. (If related or analytical titles are controlled by an authority file, use field 730 (Added entry - uniform title)). (Repeatable) [a,h,n,p,5,6,8]
15:38 jcamins senator: it could also be a series or alternate title.
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16:12 senator thanks jcamins!
16:14 tcohen thanks jcamins
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17:26 jcamins @karma marc
17:26 huginn jcamins: Karma for "marc" has been increased 0 times and decreased 10 times for a total karma of -10.
17:29 druthb marc++   # everyone deserves a *little* love.  Even MARC.
17:29 jcamins marc--
17:29 marc--
17:29 marc--
17:29 marc--
17:29 marc--
17:29 marc--
17:29 marc--
17:29 marc--
17:29 marc--
17:29 marc--
17:29 marc--
17:29 marc--
17:29 druthb:
17:29 so there.
17:29 wahanui well, so there is no way we can enable it I think
17:29 jcamins @karma marc
17:29 huginn jcamins: Karma for "marc" has been increased 1 time and decreased 22 times for a total karma of -21.
17:29 jcamins Much better. :P
17:30 tcohen marc--
17:30 druthb :P
17:30 jcamins The only think worse than MARC is <!.
17:30 :)
17:30 tcohen xml++ # :-P
17:53 csharp jcamins++
17:54 jcamins csharp: I recognize no boundaries in my hatred of MARC. ;)
17:56 * csharp likes that kind of attitude
17:58 jcamins @quote get 123
17:58 huginn jcamins: Quote #123: "rangi: #thingsihavelearnt if there is a mad scheme a library somewhere will be doing it ... except madder" (added by wizzyrea at 09:20 PM, March 30, 2011)
17:58 wahanui http://xkcd.com/1172/
18:00 tcohen do we need backticks on MySQL sentences?
18:00 jcamins tcohen: no, definitely no backticks.
18:01 * chris_n expects mbalmer to chime in any moment
18:01 * druthb hides
18:39 cait joined #koha
18:40 * cait waves
18:40 * oleonard whispers, Everyone is sleeping
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18:55 mtompset Greetings, #koha.
18:56 As I am setting up a kohaclone on my Friday-use netbook. I was thinking about the Ubuntu documentation.
18:57 There are THREE files (jaunty, lucid, and precise)
18:57 Only precise really works with the recent versions of Koha.
18:57 Could we delete the other two files?
18:57 jcamins I'll be deleting Jaunty.
18:58 mtompset Okay... that leads to the other related thought.
18:58 What should be in those files: git install or tarball install?
18:59 jcamins There's no difference.
19:00 The instructions should be "how to install Koha when presented with a directory containing the Koha source."
19:00 mtompset There are in the answers you give.
19:00 jcamins Not really.
19:00 mtompset There are in the created directory structures.
19:00 jcamins The user has to make a choice.
19:00 That's all there is to it.
19:01 The choice is in no way determined by whether the user is using a tarball or git.
19:01 mtompset okay, but their answers affect directory structures created.
19:02 also "sudo make install" vs. "make install"
19:02 jcamins Yes, and a very brief explanation of when to choose dev and when to choose standard might be appropriate.
19:03 But if the instructions are not equally applicable for both tarballs and git copies of Koha's source code, they're not suitable for inclusion.
19:04 mtompset Writing meta-instructions can be confusing for a first time user.
19:04 meta due to differing output directories.
19:05 jcamins Yes, but you know what is worse? Being too specific and writing instructions that are of no use to anyone and took multiple people hours of time to prepare.
19:05 Identify where the files will go in the two usable cases, and say "Make note of how you installed Koha."
19:07 mtompset Will the third option be removed to reduce the chance of someone selecting it?
19:07 jcamins If someone submits a patch, yes.
19:07 So, probably not, I suppose.
19:07 But in three years I have not heard anyone report trying to use that "one-directory" thing and having it fail.
19:09 Remember, the problems that bring people to #koha are not usually "the instructions weren't specific enough." Much more often it's "I followed these very-specific instructions, which are now out-of-date, and ended up with a bad situation."
19:10 mtompset lunch... hmmm... break time.
19:17 oleonard I hate Bug 10108 so much.
19:17 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10108 major, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , can't print more than one page of overdues
19:18 * mtompset grins.
19:18 mtompset We all know that no library would ever have more than one page. ;)
19:19 jcamins Eww.
19:28 mtompset So this is a firefox only bug?!
19:28 Bad, firefox. :(
19:32 jcamins @later tell wizzyrea For you, from #code4lib: Shower? Or Dalek? http://i.imgur.com/5xuUARp.jpg
19:32 huginn jcamins: The operation succeeded.
19:47 cait oleonard++
19:48 oleonard 9378 is an interesting bug
19:48 Bug 9378
19:48 huginn 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9378 normal, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Translations don't apply?
19:49 oleonard If you enable a new translation and disable 'en' at the same time, you have no way to switch to that other language.
19:49 cait hm
19:49 oleonard With only one language enabled, the language-chooser doesn't appear.
19:49 cait there might be one
19:49 delete your cookies
19:49 have the right browser settings
19:49 but yeah, it's not nice
20:04 maximep been that way for years
20:04 druthb ohhh, noooes!   Deleting_cookies--
20:04 we need all the cookies we can get!
20:08 oleonard Have a good weekend #koha
20:10 mtompset Have a good day (24 hour period)!
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23:21 bag logs?
23:21 wahanui logs is http://irc.koha-community.org/irclog/koha/
23:22 rangi not at the moment
23:22 power supply died
23:22 alohalog is still logging
23:22 bag oh…  ok thanks rangi heh
23:22 I was trying to read some things
23:22 rangi on monday ill take the disks out and take them into work and get the data all off
23:22 and run it up again
23:22 bag ok cool thanks much rangi
23:22 rangi probably on my linode now it has more space
23:23 bag hey man have a good weekend
23:23 rangi thanks
23:24 jenkins_koha Starting build #116 for job Koha_3.10.x (previous build: SUCCESS)
23:24 rangi disks were raided
23:24 so should be all there
23:25 and im 99% it was just the power supply
23:25 but im not gonna bother getting it going again, im over running my own server at home :)
23:25 ill set up it up on my linode instead
23:26 jcamins rangi: oh, you had a separate server at home? I had figured that was your home development computer and you just forwarded a few ports to it.
23:27 rangi yeah i had my linode and then a physical server at home
23:27 all the *.workbuffer.org
23:27 stuff
23:28 it was hmm 7 years old
23:28 so it did ok
23:30 jcamins Heh. I was thinking that I thought everyone stopped running servers at home about 5 years ago, but I guess it made sense to keep it if it was working. :)

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