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| Time | Nick | Message |
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| 00:00 | trea | it's an acquired taste for certain |
| 00:01 | papa joined #koha | |
| 00:01 | jcamins | And I have not. |
| 00:05 | drnoe joined #koha | |
| 00:06 | mtompset | sounds like yucky calamari (squid). |
| 00:06 | wizzyrea | i love calamari |
| 00:06 | if your calamari is rubbery you've done it wrong. | |
| 00:06 | trea | ^ |
| 00:07 | jcamins | But even rubbery, calamari isn't this bad. |
| 00:07 | * wizzyrea | suspects you have gotten into really actually yucky seaweed sald |
| 00:07 | wizzyrea | some is honestly not bad. |
| 00:08 | eythian | http://www.huffingtonpost.com/[…]um_n_2482063.html <-- wizzyrea, you probably shouldn't listen to This American Life then. |
| 00:09 | wizzyrea | mmmmmmmmm yummmy |
| 00:09 | Thankfully, "This American Life" didn't uncover any anecdotes of bung-based bait-and-switch practices in America's restaurants. | |
| 00:10 | jcamins | wizzyrea: I just took the seaweed I had and turned it into a salad. |
| 00:10 | It was woefully unsuccessful. | |
| 00:10 | wizzyrea | you have to appreciate any writing that can make "bung-based bait-and-switch" sound like legit journalism |
| 00:10 | oh, yea, nori won't work | |
| 00:10 | in salad. | |
| 00:11 | jcamins | This wasn't nori. |
| 00:11 | It was awakami or something like that. | |
| 00:11 | Which is what's called for in seaweed salad. | |
| 00:12 | wizzyrea | right yea that's the seaweed I was originally thinking of |
| 00:20 | dcook | Side note: what do you people think about using the 006 position of the Leader to differentiate between bibliographic and authority records? |
| 00:20 | Z39.50 searches need to take it into account, and I really don't feel like changing the database and redoing a bunch of subs, when it might be easier to just check what type of MARC record we're handling... | |
| 00:21 | Authority records should always have a "z" character there, while bibliographic records use a bunch of codes other than "z" to distinguish their bibliographic type | |
| 00:22 | jcamins | dcook: I'm not sure that'll work... |
| 00:23 | dcook | In theory, it should, but I'm not sure about in practice |
| 00:23 | jcamins | No, that's not what I question working. |
| 00:24 | dcook | I'm not sure I follow. |
| 00:24 | We retrieve a record, if it has a "z" in the 006 position of the leader, pass it to the results (for z39.50 authority searching) | |
| 00:24 | If it doesn't, don't pass it into the results listing | |
| 00:24 | Not very efficient, but.. | |
| 00:25 | Mm, that's marc21 specific though.. | |
| 00:25 | jcamins | But authorities and bibs need to be handled in completely different ways. |
| 00:26 | dcook | At some stage |
| 00:26 | jcamins | Right. |
| 00:26 | dcook | When you get your results back from the remote database, they're just raw MARC records |
| 00:27 | If they're checked immediately after retrieval, I'm not sure that there should be a problem | |
| 00:27 | Well, there are potential problems, but that's where I could see it possibly working | |
| 00:27 | jcamins | Hmm. |
| 00:28 | I didn't understand what you meant. | |
| 00:28 | I thought you meant determining _after_ retrieval. | |
| 00:28 | dcook | Fair enough. I could've been clearer :). |
| 00:28 | _after_? | |
| 00:28 | jcamins | Right. |
| 00:28 | So, we have the record in the reservoir. | |
| 00:29 | dcook | Ahhhh, I think I follow you |
| 00:29 | I meant retrieving from the remote source. You meant retrieving from the reservoir? | |
| 00:29 | jcamins | Right. |
| 00:29 | dcook | Mmm, k |
| 00:29 | Nope. Right away :). Still...I'm not sure if it's the best idea. | |
| 00:30 | The issue is that I told a tester to just use the databases that said "authorities" in their name | |
| 00:30 | And naturally they didn't | |
| 00:30 | And tried to import a bib record as an authority record | |
| 00:31 | I figuresuppose the most long-term efficient thing is to add another column to the z39.50servers table, | |
| 00:31 | ack | |
| 00:32 | That would require everyone to update their current z39.50 server info though.. | |
| 00:32 | I suppose the default could be "biblio" rather than "auth" and that could be done through updatedatabase.pl... | |
| 00:34 | jcamins | Yeah, that's easy. |
| 00:35 | ibeardslee | Am I a little bit slow reading scroll back about software patents? |
| 00:37 | jcamins | I didn't see that. |
| 00:38 | * dcook | shrugs |
| 00:38 | ibeardslee | http://www.iitp.org.nz/news/ar[…]_Software_Patents |
| 00:40 | mtj | hi all |
| 00:40 | ibeardslee, that reads like a little bit of win, to me :) | |
| 00:41 | dcook | Mhm |
| 00:41 | hey mtj | |
| 00:41 | ibeardslee | mtj: very much so |
| 00:41 | dcook | While it's more "hardware" related, I seem to recall Apple having a patent on round corners... |
| 00:42 | * dcook | hopes his memory is faulty |
| 00:42 | dcook | Something about the pinch-zoom as well.. |
| 00:42 | http://au.businessinsider.com/[…]tent-2012-11?op=1 | |
| 00:43 | Ah, pinch-to-zoom failed | |
| 00:43 | Wait...or maybe not... | |
| 00:44 | NewZealand++ | |
| 00:44 | BobB | hi druthb |
| 00:44 | hi dcook | |
| 00:44 | dcook | hey ya BobB |
| 00:45 | BobB | that patent announcement is awesome. |
| 00:45 | wajasu joined #koha | |
| 00:45 | druthb | Hi, BobB !:) |
| 00:45 | BobB | Kiwi's kicking goals again. Australia is far too close to Uncle Sam on these things |
| 00:46 | drnoe joined #koha | |
| 00:47 | BobB | @wunder Sydney New South Wales Australia |
| 00:47 | huginn | BobB: Error: No such location could be found. |
| 00:47 | mtj | hmm, i have a pending patent on cone-shaped heads (in the cloud) , that may be affected by this new legislation :/ |
| 00:47 | BobB | @wunder Sydney, Australia |
| 00:47 | huginn | BobB: The current temperature in Sydney, New South Wales is 20.0°C (10:30 AM EST on May 09, 2013). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 56%. Dew Point: 11.0°C. Pressure: 30.42 in 1030 hPa (Steady). |
| 00:48 | BobB | in mid May. I'm getting worried about next summer :) |
| 00:48 | dcook | I guess so, eh? It's been rather nice out |
| 00:48 | BobB | where is your office dcook? |
| 00:49 | ah, you're in Ultimo aren't you? | |
| 00:51 | dcook | BobB: Sure am. Whereabouts are you folk? |
| 00:52 | BobB | We're in North Sydney |
| 00:53 | rangi | http://www.thebigidea.co.nz/wo[…]0228-are-you-maui <-- this is the kinda thing we do |
| 00:53 | BobB | Not far :) |
| 00:54 | dcook | Cool :). I was just up doing the Manly-Spit walk on the weekend, so I guess I would've been up near your neck of the woods near the end |
| 00:55 | BobB | you'd have passed through. that's a nice walk. |
| 00:55 | dcook | rangi: That sounds really sweet |
| 00:56 | It's the first walk we've had time for in a while, but absolutely beautiful day for it on Sunday. | |
| 00:56 | Like you said, can't believe it's May. | |
| 01:00 | rangi | right, vala abstract submitted, with 1 day to spare |
| 01:00 | BobB | rangi ++ |
| 01:03 | dcook | Wow...that's an early deadline. |
| 01:04 | I did a conference planning course last year though, so I can't blame them for wanting to have time.. | |
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| 01:39 | UbuntuUser joined #koha | |
| 01:41 | dcook | I'm curious...what's the purpose of Koha.pm? |
| 01:41 | The sub "displayServers" is only used in it and a test | |
| 01:41 | UbuntuUser | Question... I just installed Koha 3.8, upgraded to Koah 3.10 using apt-get. Almost everything seems to work great. But there appears to be a mismatch between the code and schema. If I try to add a z39.50 server, it doesn't get added. There's a field called description in the DB table, but the .pl file isn't providing a value. Here's the error |
| 01:41 | log: "z3950servers.pl: DBD::mysql::st execute failed: Field 'description' doesn't have a default value at /usr/share/koha/intranet/cgi-bin/admin/z3950servers.pl line 133" | |
| 01:42 | dcook | UbuntuUser: When you say that it seems to work great, what do you mean exactly? |
| 01:42 | Have you logged into the staff client yet? | |
| 01:42 | UbuntuUser | I can fix this error easily enough by modifying z3950servers.pl, but it seems weird that I get an error like this so early. I'm wondering if something may have gone wrong with the install. |
| 01:42 | I have logged into both the public and admin interfaces. | |
| 01:42 | dcook | And you weren't prompted to update your database in the admin interface? |
| 01:42 | jcamins | UbuntuUser: I think you have to run `sudo koha-upgrade-schema instancename` |
| 01:43 | UbuntuUser | I haven't done anything yet. First thing I was going to do is to catalog something, hence the desire to add US Congress z39.50 server. |
| 01:43 | rangi | dcook: he won't be, apt-get should have run that for him |
| 01:43 | but it wont hurt to run it again like jcamins suggests | |
| 01:43 | UbuntuUser | apt-get did run the DB upgrades. No errors logged. everything looks good. |
| 01:43 | dcook | rangi: Learn more and more about Ubuntu/Debian installs every day. Sometimes I wonder why anyone would use anything but those OSs |
| 01:43 | rangi | so its 3.10.5 ? |
| 01:44 | UbuntuUser | I did have this same problem with the z39.50 DB table structure before upgrading to 3.10 though. It was like that when I installed 3.8. |
| 01:44 | rangi | hmm |
| 01:44 | jcamins | Oh, if this is an old problem, upgrading isn't going to fix it. |
| 01:44 | dcook | Mhm |
| 01:44 | UbuntuUser | Is it a known problem? |
| 01:45 | jcamins | Nope. |
| 01:45 | A problem with your installation, I think. | |
| 01:45 | dcook | What 3.8 version were you using UbuntuUser? |
| 01:45 | From the sound of it, it does sound like a code issue rather than a DB issue | |
| 01:45 | rangi | it could be either dcook |
| 01:45 | wizzyrea | or a missed database update |
| 01:45 | UbuntuUser | I was just checking the 3.8 version...unfortunately I don't know now (It's too far back in my putty buffer...lost it) I just installed it this past weekend though. |
| 01:45 | rangi | but its most likely code |
| 01:46 | wizzyrea | though, description in that table has been there for ages |
| 01:46 | rangi | `description` text NOT NULL, -- unused in Koha |
| 01:46 | yep | |
| 01:46 | UbuntuUser | Honestly, I used oldstable by mistake |
| 01:46 | rangi | http://git.koha-community.org/[…]cebb838cfef1a2845 |
| 01:47 | there's been a few changes | |
| 01:47 | (thats in 3.12) | |
| 01:47 | UbuntuUser | I can paste the results of mysql's 'describe z309servers' if you want. |
| 01:47 | rangi | if its not null |
| 01:47 | tahts all i need to know | |
| 01:48 | dcook | Wait...you said NOT NULL rangi... |
| 01:48 | My DB says it's default value is NULL | |
| 01:48 | Hmm, but yep...also marked as not null | |
| 01:48 | UbuntuUser | is the description column supposed to be there? |
| 01:48 | rangi | yes |
| 01:48 | UbuntuUser | Is the default value NULL? |
| 01:48 | rangi | no |
| 01:48 | dcook | rangi: Are you sure? |
| 01:49 | UbuntuUser | what is the default value? ''? |
| 01:49 | rangi | its not null |
| 01:49 | UbuntuUser | In my DB, the default value is NULL and NULL is set to no. |
| 01:49 | dcook | same |
| 01:49 | rangi | that line i pasted is directly from the kohastructure.sql |
| 01:49 | UbuntuUser | in other words, default to NULL, but don't allow NULL |
| 01:50 | wizzyrea | interesting, 6554, wasn't that reverted? |
| 01:50 | rangi | yep |
| 01:50 | jcamins | wizzyrea: yes. |
| 01:50 | rangi | and had nothing to do with this either :) |
| 01:50 | wizzyrea | no I know |
| 01:50 | * wizzyrea | just notes it's presence in that file |
| 01:50 | rangi | the revert line is thenext line up |
| 01:50 | wizzyrea | er in the history |
| 01:50 | facepalm. | |
| 01:50 | UbuntuUser | but I just checked the latest git version of z3950servers.pl ... line 132ish, nothing is set for 'default' |
| 01:51 | dcook | you mean description? |
| 01:51 | * dcook | is looking at that right now as well |
| 01:51 | UbuntuUser | yes, sorry. "line 132ish, nothing is set for description" |
| 01:52 | dcook | So go to /usr/share/koha/intranet/cgi-bin/admin/z3950servers.pl and look at line 133 |
| 01:53 | UbuntuUser | for the InsertInto, I have ""(host,port,db,userid,password,name,checked,rank,syntax,encoding,timeout) " -- no "description" |
| 01:53 | dcook | Hmm, so maybe it is a DB issue after all |
| 01:53 | UbuntuUser | Like I said, I can add "description" and give it a value of '' ... but this error makes me think that something went wrong. |
| 01:53 | dcook | Indeed |
| 01:54 | UbuntuUser | Keep in mind, this was actually a problem in the 3.8 install |
| 01:54 | What's the simplest way to generate a new database? use the scripts to remove the site and add a new one? | |
| 01:54 | rangi | don't do that |
| 01:56 | UbuntuUser | I could. I don't have any data in my site yet. I just installed it a couple of days ago. |
| 01:56 | rangi | yeah but that wont change anything |
| 01:56 | i pasted the line from kohastructure.sql its set to not null | |
| 01:56 | you recreate it, will be exactly the same | |
| 01:57 | dcook | rangi: Why's that? |
| 01:57 | If they created an instance of 3.8.x | |
| 01:57 | rangi | because it says to make it not null |
| 01:57 | and you said it says its not null | |
| 01:58 | dcook | I don't have a database that was made in 3.8 either |
| 01:58 | Mine are all upgraded from previous versions | |
| 01:58 | UbuntuUser | Yes, my copy of kohastructure.sql matches rangi's assessment. A new DB would be the same as the one I had from the 3.8 upgrade |
| 01:58 | dcook | Admittedly, I don't know how a default value would be there, then not be there, then be there again |
| 01:58 | rangi | and that line has not changed sine 2011-08-26 |
| 01:59 | dcook | Intriguing |
| 01:59 | jcamins | UbuntuUser: wait, I have an idea. What version of MySQL? |
| 01:59 | dcook | rangi: So what is the default value for `description` in your db? |
| 01:59 | UbuntuUser | latest version of MySQL...running on Windows Server 2012 |
| 02:00 | jcamins | UbuntuUser: 5.5? 5.1? 5.0? |
| 02:00 | UbuntuUser | 5.6.11 |
| 02:00 | rangi | dcook: more importantly what does |
| 02:00 | UbuntuUser | 5.6.11 MySQL Community Server |
| 02:01 | rangi | show create table z3950servers |
| 02:01 | tell you | |
| 02:01 | `description` text NOT NULL, | |
| 02:01 | that ? | |
| 02:01 | wahanui | it has been said that that is a good idea. |
| 02:01 | dcook | Yeah, I'm looking at that |
| 02:01 | "If strict mode is not enabled, MySQL sets the column to the implicit default value for the column data type." | |
| 02:02 | "If strict SQL mode is enabled, an error occurs for transactional tables and the statement is rolled back" | |
| 02:02 | rangi | insert into z3950servers (host) values ('fish'); |
| 02:02 | Query OK, 1 row affected, 1 warning (0.07 sec) | |
| 02:02 | works just fine | |
| 02:02 | dcook | Right |
| 02:02 | rangi | i bet that query fails in 5.6.11 |
| 02:02 | dcook | Mhm |
| 02:02 | rangi | i bet thats where jcamins is going |
| 02:02 | jcamins | Yeah, that's what I was thinking. |
| 02:03 | rangi | so its a bug to fix for new versions of mysql |
| 02:03 | UbuntuUser | Interesting, I didn't know about the modes. Here's what my server's mode is set to: STRICT_TRANS_TABLES,NO_AUTO_CREATE_USER,NO_ENGINE_SUBSTITUTION |
| 02:03 | rangi | can you try that above query? |
| 02:03 | insert into z3950servers (host) values ('fish'); | |
| 02:03 | UbuntuUser | That's the result of "SELECT @@GLOBAL.sql_mode;" |
| 02:04 | rangi | if that fails (and it works on my mysql with no description) then yep its a bug that needs to be fixed for newer mysqls |
| 02:04 | UbuntuUser | mysql> insert into z3950servers (host) values ('fish'); ===> ERROR 1364 (HY000): Field 'description' doesn't have a default value |
| 02:05 | rangi | there you go then |
| 02:05 | jcamins | Yep, there it is. |
| 02:05 | rangi | its broken on 5.6.x |
| 02:05 | so you could send a patch to fix that, and you may well run into a couple more around the place | |
| 02:06 | tail mysql-err or mysql.log or whatever for a while might not be a bad plan | |
| 02:06 | 2 choices | |
| 02:06 | patch the .pl | |
| 02:06 | UbuntuUser | I'm fairly certain there are other cases where this sort of this is problematic though. Not just for adding a z39.50 server. |
| 02:06 | rangi | thats what i just said :) |
| 02:07 | wizzyrea | at the very least, file bugs for them :) |
| 02:07 | UbuntuUser | I'm curious then. Would it be best if I downgraded my mysql server to 5.5? |
| 02:07 | wizzyrea | at bugs.koha-community.org |
| 02:07 | rangi | UbuntuUser: for production i would |
| 02:07 | UbuntuUser | Or, there are a lot of modes settings... Any idea what I should set this to? http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refma[…]ver-sql-mode.html |
| 02:07 | rangi | however it would be great if you ran it like that in testing and filed bugs for any issues you notice in the mysql log |
| 02:08 | dcook | UbuntuUser: The info I gave you is also from 5.0. I'd listen to rangi ;) |
| 02:08 | UbuntuUser | ok. well I really appreciate the help. |
| 02:09 | BTW, I've come on to this IRC channel twice...and there are multiple people active on this IRC channel. ...I'm assuming this isn't your full time job. Why do you do it? | |
| 02:10 | jcamins | We like to help. |
| 02:10 | With "like" being a relative term. | |
| 02:10 | wizzyrea | Koha's fun |
| 02:10 | rangi | people give me stuff |
| 02:10 | *hint* | |
| 02:10 | :-) | |
| 02:10 | * wizzyrea | hugs rangi |
| 02:10 | wizzyrea | does that count? |
| 02:10 | dcook | hehe |
| 02:10 | rangi | hehe |
| 02:10 | dcook | UbuntuUser: I started coming here because I needed help |
| 02:10 | Well, I still need help | |
| 02:11 | rangi | http://blog.bigballofwax.co.nz[…]ou-peanut-butter/ <-- see |
| 02:11 | dcook | But now that I know more, I try to help out others when I can |
| 02:11 | Or test patches | |
| 02:11 | UbuntuUser | Well, thanks again. I'll see what happens with mysql 5.5 |
| 02:11 | * jcamins | decides to get some sleep. |
| 02:11 | dcook | Basically giving back because people gave to me |
| 02:11 | jcamins | ^^ exactly |
| 02:11 | * wizzyrea | whispers file bugs on mysql 5.6 |
| 02:11 | jcamins | I started out asking lots of dumb questions. |
| 02:11 | And now I'm the Release Manager. | |
| 02:11 | Yikes. | |
| 02:11 | Good night, #koha. | |
| 02:11 | rangi | cya jcamins |
| 02:12 | dcook | night, jcamins |
| 02:12 | jcamins | (P.S. there's a lesson in that: ask smart questions and you should be able to avoid becoming RM) |
| 02:12 | dcook | lol |
| 02:15 | Oh snap... | |
| 02:15 | I didn't know you could initiate a commandline client from the MySQL query browser... | |
| 02:20 | rangi: So why would 5.6.11 cause this error? | |
| 02:20 | rangi | cos oracle are dicks? |
| 02:21 | dcook | At a glance, it looks like it's the STRICT_TRANS_TABLES sql mode which is causing the error |
| 02:21 | But that would happen in older versions too | |
| 02:21 | rangi | but its not something we should do anyway, if somethings is set not null |
| 02:21 | we should give it a value | |
| 02:21 | dcook | Agreed |
| 02:21 | rangi | or make it nullable |
| 02:21 | i lean to the former, since the column is currently not used | |
| 02:21 | just alter the table | |
| 02:22 | sorry the latter | |
| 02:22 | fix the db definition | |
| 02:22 | dcook | I was a bit confused for a second that |
| 02:22 | there * | |
| 02:22 | Makes sense to me | |
| 02:22 | Mind you... | |
| 02:22 | I have need of a column in z3950servers... | |
| 02:23 | Rather than adding one in, could I subvert it to my cause? | |
| 02:23 | rangi | yeah rename it |
| 02:23 | dcook | i.e. fill it with a default value of "biblio" and allow people to change it to "auth" to denote authority databases |
| 02:23 | Hell, description isn't even a bad name for that column | |
| 02:23 | rangi | id change the name |
| 02:23 | recordtype | |
| 02:23 | or something | |
| 02:23 | wahanui | something is, like, fishy |
| 02:24 | wizzyrea | type was what I was thinking |
| 02:24 | dcook | There already is a type apparently |
| 02:24 | Which is filled with "zed" | |
| 02:24 | No idea what zed is for | |
| 02:24 | rangi | z3950 |
| 02:24 | dcook | Ah, I see |
| 02:24 | Vs opensearch | |
| 02:24 | rangi | yup |
| 02:25 | dcook | recordtype could work |
| 02:25 | * rangi | heads off to get kids from school |
| 02:26 | dcook | ta rangi |
| 02:26 | Hmm, lunchtime.. | |
| 02:26 | wahanui | i think lunchtime is a terrible time for a meeting |
| 02:26 | dcook | Agreed, wahanui. Agreed. |
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| 02:28 | wizzyrea | au zebra searches are author? |
| 02:29 | dcook | Depends on what is in...ccl.properties, I suppose |
| 02:29 | wizzyrea | right ok. |
| 02:29 | dcook | Yep, Author / 1003 |
| 02:30 | wizzyrea | cool thx |
| 02:30 | suppose I should have already known that. | |
| 02:31 | dcook | Or I just spend way too much time looking at zebra config and bib-1 attributes :p |
| 02:32 | mtj | i just couldnt believe how much sugar was in jif peanut butter, the 1st time i ate it |
| 02:32 | dcook | Then records.abs will say which MARC tags belong to which index |
| 02:34 | And bib1.att maps the bib-1 attribute to the plaintext index label | |
| 02:34 | mtj | … was a bizzare feeling to feel the crunch of the sugar crystals, when chewing |
| 02:34 | dcook | For grs1 indexing at least, me thinks.. |
| 02:34 | * wizzyrea | hates jif. |
| 02:34 | dcook | mtj: lol |
| 02:34 | I can't say I've had it since...well maybe ever | |
| 02:34 | Maybe as a kid | |
| 02:34 | wizzyrea | it is gross. |
| 02:34 | dcook | Do t hey sell it outside the US? |
| 02:34 | wizzyrea | I hope not, it's an abomination |
| 02:35 | mtj | ive only had it once, but it sure made a lasting impression |
| 02:37 | i had some in the UK, i've never seen in NZ | |
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| 02:56 | dcook | Hmm, does anyone know of any current documentation on making patches that update the database? |
| 02:56 | http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]ng_Database_Files is marked as obsolete.. | |
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| 03:22 | mtj | fwiw, the page is still pretty relevant |
| 03:22 | dcook | Seems like it. I'm just hoping I don't screw up too badly :p |
| 03:23 | mtj | … and no, i dont know any newer/better page that |
| 03:58 | mtompset | Though, mtj, with the patch I'm working on, I didn't use that if comparison. :) |
| 03:59 | dcook | Yeah, that's the thing I was wondering about... |
| 03:59 | I imagine the RM would do that | |
| 03:59 | eythian | it's also not very nicely written. |
| 03:59 | (the page) | |
| 04:00 | mtompset | The file in question has many "if"s to copy and paste from. :) |
| 04:00 | * dcook | is just curious how you get people to test your DB change without doing the final RM steps |
| 04:00 | dcook | Is it simply not using the If condition? |
| 04:00 | wizzyrea | you set the version number to xxx? |
| 04:00 | mtompset | They made a nice function to simplify the if. |
| 04:00 | eythian | they can tweak the value in there. |
| 04:00 | wizzyrea | for your update? |
| 04:01 | * wizzyrea | doens't know. always found that annoying. |
| 04:01 | mtompset | True enough. You just take a stab at the xxx value on the end. |
| 04:01 | * dcook | avoids touching the db for this reason |
| 04:01 | wizzyrea | same. |
| 04:01 | eythian | you put 'XXX' in there when you submit it. |
| 04:01 | and the RM does what's needed to make it make sense. | |
| 04:01 | dcook | submit meaning post on bugzilla for testing? |
| 04:01 | eythian | yeah |
| 04:01 | dcook | Cool |
| 04:01 | wizzyrea | it should do something sort of sane with xxx in ther |
| 04:01 | for the testers | |
| 04:01 | mtompset | I didn't read the function code. |
| 04:01 | dcook | Makes sense, testing on master |
| 04:01 | mtompset | perhaps it handles the XXX case nicely. |
| 04:01 | cjh | wizzyrea: it does. |
| 04:01 | wizzyrea | XXX sorry |
| 04:02 | i mean, I've never had an issue testing things with xxx in them | |
| 04:02 | you'd think we were talking about porn. | |
| 04:02 | dcook | So I need to alter the db column from "description" to "recordtype" |
| 04:02 | wizzyrea | :P |
| 04:02 | eythian | I think they just don't run. For testing, I change that value. |
| 04:02 | We're not? | |
| 04:02 | wizzyrea | kohaporn. hawt. |
| 04:02 | dcook | Ideally, it would be a good idea to change all existing values in that column to bibliographic as well |
| 04:02 | wizzyrea: oh you :p | |
| 04:02 | mtompset | Is that books with their bindings and covers taken off? ;) |
| 04:03 | mtj | ah yes - i see why the page is obsolete now :) |
| 04:03 | wizzyrea | ooh la la |
| 04:03 | dcook | I suppose I could do an alter statement, then an update statement... |
| 04:03 | * dcook | just hopes that people are into the idea of z39.50 authority searching |
| 04:03 | dcook | mtj: Why's that? |
| 04:03 | mtj | the example block is outdated, too |
| 04:03 | mtompset | oooo...ooo... I think I am. :) |
| 04:03 | cjh | the xxx will always compare higher (as XXX becomes 999), but in SetVersion XXX will not set the version |
| 04:04 | wizzyrea | as an aside, this is rather humorous |
| 04:04 | http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-Og7i[…]0/Librarians.jpeg | |
| 04:04 | cjh | I place XXX in the version number, bump up my kohaversion by .001, run the web installer and then bump my kohaversion back down again. |
| 04:04 | mtj | dcoo,k if ( CheckVersion($DBversion) ) {} is the new/improved test |
| 04:04 | not, if (C4::Context->preference("Version") < TransformToNum($DBversion)) {} | |
| 04:05 | mtompset | That's the if function I was talking about, yes. :) |
| 04:05 | dcook | cjh: Why bump it up then bump it back down? |
| 04:06 | mtompset | bump it up triggers the update. |
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| 04:06 | mtompset | bump it back down so the commit doesn't include a changed kohaversion.pl |
| 04:06 | (my guess) | |
| 04:06 | dcook | I'm surprised that you would need to bump it to trigger it |
| 04:06 | cjh | dcook: koha only runs updatedatabase.pl if the database koha version is lower than that in kohaversion.pl |
| 04:07 | dcook | Interesting... |
| 04:07 | wahanui | interesting is, like, sometimes good and sometimes bad |
| 04:07 | cjh | dcook: and in this case I bump it down as XXX doesnt update the version and I dont wat to be trapped in an infinite upgrade loop |
| 04:07 | * wizzyrea | giggles |
| 04:08 | dcook | cjh: Couldn't you just manually run updatedatabase.pl? |
| 04:09 | cjh | dcook: yeah, but I would have to set up the koha environment correctly, I find the web installer much quicker/cleaner (as it is also what the end-user will see when my upgrade applies) |
| 04:09 | wizzyrea | he did get on once |
| 04:10 | dcook | cjh: Fair enough. Hmm. So you just manually edit kohaversion.pl? |
| 04:11 | cjh | dcook: yeah |
| 04:11 | wizzyrea | why is it that I very rarely have to edit anything when I do a db update test |
| 04:11 | cjh | wizzyrea: you are *that* good at it. |
| 04:11 | wizzyrea | ... they all seem to work just fine without any mucking about?! |
| 04:11 | dcook | wizzyrea: Yeah, that's what I was thinking too |
| 04:12 | mtompset | Here, here... wizzyrea is just *that* good. :) |
| 04:12 | dcook | I've only tested a few patches that change the db but I've never changed my version...and I don't think it's been a problem |
| 04:13 | cjh | it may have been that the branch you checked out (master) had a higher kohaversion.pl than the db you were testing on? |
| 04:13 | dcook | Hmm |
| 04:13 | mtompset | wizzyrea? |
| 04:13 | wahanui | wizzyrea is a Cylon, and they all have plans. |
| 04:13 | cjh | heh |
| 04:14 | wizzyrea | I have a git command that updates to latest master every time I checkout a branch for qa |
| 04:14 | * dcook | was out at Manly the other day, and saw a mention of "Cylon tea" on the menu |
| 04:14 | wizzyrea | ceylon |
| 04:14 | :) | |
| 04:14 | dcook | I know ;) |
| 04:14 | I couldn't help but giggle though | |
| 04:14 | wizzyrea | MMM robot tea. |
| 04:14 | * dcook | recently re-watched the pilot with his partner |
| 04:14 | wizzyrea | is that like robot rock, because that's really what I want. |
| 04:14 | cjh | they are quite humanoid though, so it could taste ok |
| 04:14 | dcook | 2.5+ hours of spacey goodness |
| 04:14 | mtompset | nanobots bursting with flavour. :P |
| 04:14 | wizzyrea | ew, human tea |
| 04:14 | cjh | lol |
| 04:14 | wizzyrea | gross. |
| 04:14 | cjh | well that escalated quickly. |
| 04:15 | dcook | yep |
| 04:15 | I guess BSG and robots trumps database talk | |
| 04:15 | Who knew? | |
| 04:15 | wizzyrea | actually, if I am *always* at current master |
| 04:15 | and the db updates have xxx in them | |
| 04:15 | mtompset | Well, I need to get sleep. :) |
| 04:15 | dcook | But when does the version number in the DB change? |
| 04:15 | Only when doing make upgrade? | |
| 04:15 | mtompset | Have a great day (24 hour period). :) |
| 04:15 | dcook | later mtompset |
| 04:16 | wizzyrea | when the RM pushes it with the right number |
| 04:16 | cjh | whenever a db upgrade goes through for a non XXX, the the db version is updated. |
| 04:16 | dcook | Hmm |
| 04:16 | cjh | wizzyrea: yeah, then kohaversion is changed to match it. |
| 04:16 | dcook | If that's the case... |
| 04:16 | Why would you have a higher kohaversion.pl than your DB version? | |
| 04:17 | They would be synced with the last upgrade | |
| 04:17 | And they wouldn't change unless triggered by Factor X | |
| 04:17 | cjh | if you had already done all the db upgrades on master, I am not sure what triggers teh upgrade (unless you do it manually or bump the version) |
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| 04:17 | mtompset | Oh, I just thought of something related to the DB upgrades. |
| 04:17 | http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]ystem_Preferences | |
| 04:17 | Though, it's if condition needs updating. :) | |
| 04:18 | dcook | Yeah, I was thinking that too, mtompset |
| 04:18 | That's the only time I've changed the db in the past | |
| 04:18 | Hmm | |
| 04:18 | So when the RM changes the XXX to the actual number...they also change Kohaversion.pl? | |
| 04:19 | cjh | yes |
| 04:19 | mtompset | Really. I'm leaving. Have a great day. |
| 04:19 | dcook | Hence why when you fetch/pull, that's what triggers the update |
| 04:19 | wizzyrea | later :) |
| 04:19 | dcook | Wow, that English barely made sense... |
| 04:19 | I follow you now | |
| 04:19 | Hmm, cool | |
| 04:19 | Thanks for the info, cjh :) | |
| 04:22 | cjh | although wizzyrea having never modified it worried me, time to test! |
| 04:24 | mtj | hmm, but surely the best way to determine koha's version number, is to simply grep an assumed string in the install log? |
| 04:25 | …or am i missing something here? | |
| 04:26 | dcook | In any case, I'm going to grab a late lunch. Thanks again cjh, mtj, wizzyrea. You're all stars! |
| 04:26 | cjh | enjoy :) |
| 04:26 | dcook | Thanks :) |
| 04:26 | cjh | mtj: we arent tryingto check the version of koha but to understand what trigger the db upgrades |
| 04:26 | mtj: and yeah, install log or check for 'Version' in the system pref table | |
| 04:27 | eythian | mtj: that is not the best way, the best way is to look in kohaversion.pl |
| 04:27 | one is an install log, the other actual code. | |
| 04:28 | mtj | lol, touche :D |
| 04:28 | cjh | is the install log just set from the ouput of updatedatabase.pl? |
| 04:28 | eythian | no |
| 04:28 | the install log is produced by the makefile | |
| 04:28 | cjh | oh, so it could be very wrong. |
| 04:28 | eythian | the makefile gets it from kohaversion.pl |
| 04:29 | well, if you do an install without running the makefile, it won't reflect reality at all. | |
| 04:29 | my dev install claims to be 3.01.something | |
| 04:29 | cjh | heh |
| 04:29 | eythian | (in the install log) |
| 04:30 | cjh | I have never manually ran make in koha, only ever when building packages. |
| 04:35 | mtj | so, yeah… grepping for an old version string in your install-log, is a really flawed way to determine your curent version |
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| 04:58 | eythian | http://www.groklaw.net/article[…]20130508130401587 <-- It's baaaaack! |
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| 05:16 | dcook | IE-- |
| 05:16 | eythian | $ iexplorer |
| 05:16 | iexplorer: opdracht niet gevonden | |
| 05:17 | doesn't work at all for me | |
| 05:17 | dcook | :p |
| 05:18 | eythian: I've been meaning to ask you...are you originally German, German ancestry, just interested in German, ...? | |
| 05:19 | mtj | hmm, this i didnt know.. -> http://www.groklaw.net/article[…]20040728010339764 |
| 05:20 | eythian | dcook: no. That's not German, and cait would probably be horrified to hear you say that :) |
| 05:20 | dcook | Dutch? |
| 05:20 | eythian | ja |
| 05:20 | dcook | A Dutch girl once told me that Germans thought of Dutch as funny sounding German :p |
| 05:21 | eythian | yep :) they seem to have taken a lot of the ridiculousness out of German. |
| 05:22 | like a brazillion different declensions. | |
| 05:24 | * dcook | is googling fiercely |
| 05:24 | dcook | I think I follow |
| 05:24 | In that case... | |
| 05:25 | eythian: I've been meaning to ask you...are you originally Dutch, Dutch ancestry, just interested in Dutch, ...? | |
| 05:25 | ;) | |
| 05:25 | IE-- | |
| 05:25 | I open the same page in different tabs and they're loaded with different document modes. Thanks, IE... | |
| 05:26 | eythian | I was going to move there some years ago, until the financial crisis scuppered work visas. So I learnt it before I was to go, and then didn't, so I run my computers etc. in it to reduce the amount of atrophy from non-use. |
| 05:26 | dcook | Nice one |
| 05:27 | I signed up to the Koha-Fr newsletters for that reason, but...never manage to read them all :p | |
| 05:27 | eythian | heh |
| 05:27 | dcook | The plan was to spend about 4-8 months in France, but it was 8 days in the end |
| 05:27 | Few days in Switzerland and Belgium as well (which were both lovely), but... | |
| 05:27 | eythian | I spent a month there last year, I was almost beginning to get a little bit of a feel for it by the end, but it was still hard work. |
| 05:28 | dcook | French? |
| 05:28 | wahanui | French are not. |
| 05:28 | eythian | (the language, that is) |
| 05:28 | yeah, France | |
| 05:28 | dcook | Mmm, right. Paul did say that was last year.. |
| 05:28 | eythian | yeah |
| 05:28 | dcook | I would love to go at some point |
| 05:28 | eythian | I recommend summer. |
| 05:29 | it was nice and warm | |
| 05:29 | dcook | Did you stay down in Marseille or did you get out and adventure elsewhere as well? |
| 05:30 | eythian | Mostly Marseille, though I did get out to around Nemes etc. a bit. |
| 05:30 | but there was a lot of other travelling in the whole trip anyway, so I did get my fill over all. | |
| 05:31 | dcook | How long were you gone for? |
| 05:31 | eythian | 3.5 months |
| 05:32 | dcook | Wow...that must've been great |
| 05:33 | eythian | it was pretty good :) |
| 05:33 | dcook | Although I could understand travel fatigue by the end |
| 05:33 | My last Europe trip was about 3 months as well | |
| 05:33 | eythian | well, it was OK as I was mostly spending a sizable amount of time in each place. |
| 05:33 | so there was time to get familar with an area. | |
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| 05:34 | dcook | Where all did you end up going? |
| 05:35 | eythian | Edinburgh (for kohacon), Brighton, Marseille, Konstanz, and then floated around the Netherlands for 3 weeks, mostly in Oosterhout and Den Haag. |
| 05:36 | dcook | Sounds amazing. Immensely jealous :) |
| 05:37 | eythian | it was a good time, and I got to see the weather back home being terrible, as I was sitting working from a back yard :) |
| 05:37 | dcook | hehe |
| 05:38 | I think the prolonged autumn here is making it easier to handle all the beautiful photos I'm seeing of Canadian summer right now | |
| 05:38 | I should get in a visit after Kohacon, but October isn't quite the same as May-August | |
| 05:44 | eythian | yeah, we've just started to get winteryness really hitting here in the past week or two. |
| 05:49 | dcook | I'm sure it's on the way over here then too |
| 05:49 | (Life without Javascript is...not nice) | |
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| 06:50 | cait | magnuse++ |
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| 07:09 | jenkins_koha | Starting build #311 for job Koha_3.8.x (previous build: SUCCESS) |
| 07:15 | dcook | bgkriegel ++ |
| 07:15 | bgkriegel++ | |
| 07:16 | Gentleman and a scholar | |
| 07:16 | * dcook | needs to remember to look at bug 9826 tomorrow... |
| 07:16 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9826 normal, P5 - low, ---, bgkriegel, Needs Signoff , Missing fields in MARC21 authority framework |
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| 07:47 | * Owen Leonard: Bug 9266 - Untranslated strings in tags moderation | |
| 07:47 | * Owen Leonard: Bug 9957 - Missing cancel link on subfield editing page | |
| 07:47 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9266 normal, P5 - low, ---, chris, Pushed to Stable , Untranslated strings in tags moderation |
| 07:47 | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9957 trivial, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Stable , Missing cancel link on subfield editing page | |
| 07:54 | jenkins_koha | Starting build #113 for job Koha_3.10.x (previous build: SUCCESS) |
| 08:34 | Project Koha_3.10.x build #113: SUCCESS in 40 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]/Koha_3.10.x/113/ | |
| 08:34 | * Owen Leonard: Bug 10111 - Layout on basket summary page a bit inconsistent | |
| 08:34 | * Owen Leonard: Bug 9266 - Untranslated strings in tags moderation | |
| 08:34 | * Owen Leonard: Bug 9957 - Missing cancel link on subfield editing page | |
| 08:34 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10111 minor, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Stable , Layout on basket summary page a bit inconsistent |
| 08:34 | jenkins_koha | * David Cook: Bug 10097 - Hide framework selection when importing staged authority records |
| 08:34 | * Magnus Enger: Bug 7055 - NORMARC: Fix 008 position 15-17 and 35-37 | |
| 08:34 | * Magnus Enger: Bug 7054 - NORMARC: Fix default for 000 position 17 | |
| 08:34 | * Kyle M Hall: Bug 8419 - Suspended holds appear on the daily holds queue | |
| 08:34 | * Fridolyn SOMERS: Bug 10033 - dangerous query in _koha_modify_item | |
| 08:34 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9266 normal, P5 - low, ---, chris, Pushed to Stable , Untranslated strings in tags moderation |
| 08:34 | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9957 trivial, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Stable , Missing cancel link on subfield editing page | |
| 08:34 | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10097 minor, P5 - low, ---, dcook, Pushed to Stable , Hide framework selection when importing staged authority records | |
| 08:34 | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7055 normal, P5 - low, ---, magnus, Pushed to Stable , NORMARC: Links and defaults for 008 position 15-17 and 35-37 | |
| 08:34 | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7054 normal, P5 - low, ---, chris, Pushed to Stable , NORMARC: wrong default for 000 position 17 | |
| 08:34 | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8419 normal, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, Pushed to Stable , Suspended holds appear on the daily holds queue | |
| 08:34 | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10033 minor, P5 - low, ---, fridolyn.somers, Pushed to Stable , dangerous query in _koha_modify_item | |
| 08:34 | jenkins_koha | Starting build #312 for job Koha_3.8.x (previous build: SUCCESS) |
| 09:14 | Project Koha_3.8.x build #312: SUCCESS in 39 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]b/Koha_3.8.x/312/ | |
| 09:14 | Fridolyn SOMERS: Bug 10033 - dangerous query in _koha_modify_item | |
| 09:14 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10033 minor, P5 - low, ---, fridolyn.somers, Pushed to Stable , dangerous query in _koha_modify_item |
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| 12:31 | oleonard | Yay, it's already GBSD in Kiribati! |
| 12:32 | cait | :) |
| 12:32 | that's the right spirit! | |
| 12:39 | oleonard | I think Bug 5992 should be closed, but what status to use? |
| 12:39 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5992 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, paul.poulain, NEW , Biblibre various improvements for 3.4 |
| 12:39 | cait | i was not sure either |
| 12:39 | may | |
| 12:39 | maybe. hm. | |
| 12:40 | tricky. | |
| 12:50 | khall | mornin cait! |
| 12:51 | mornin druthb! | |
| 12:51 | druthb | mornin khall! |
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| 12:54 | Barrc | LDAP woes....anyone guess why a Koha login might authenticate, via LDAP, then drop the Koha user into the wrong patron account!! |
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| 12:56 | oleonard | Will the GBSD tweet bot be turned on? |
| 12:57 | jcamins | Barrc: incorrect mapping, pointing the barcode number to borrowernumber or vice versa? |
| 12:58 | Barrc | jcamins: the really strange problem is that it isn't for every user (should have mentioned that!) only some and only rarely! |
| 12:58 | jcamins | Barrc: so much for that idea. |
| 12:58 | Barrc | Thanks anyway1 |
| 12:59 | jcamins | Ummm... |
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| 13:14 | magnuse | oleonard: there was something very wrong with the tweets last time, and i have no time to troubleshoot... |
| 13:15 | oleonard | I'll just have to tweet my own horn instead. |
| 13:16 | mtj | hmm, i might be able to add the #hashtag to my tweetbot... |
| 13:16 | * magnuse | runs off again |
| 13:17 | oleonard | mtj: What are you doing awake? |
| 13:19 | mtj | just about to head to bed oleonard :) |
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| 13:30 | oleonard | OPACFineNoRenewals broken? I can't renew in the OPAC even though my OPACFineNoRenewals pref is blank |
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| 13:55 | nengard | has anyone noticed in 3.10.5 that purchase suggestions aren't showing in the opac anymore? |
| 13:55 | I have a couple reports of this but no 3.10.5 test bed to confirm | |
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| 13:57 | oleonard | nengard: I noticed weird stuff about suggestions too but I didn't narrow it down |
| 13:58 | nengard | hmmm |
| 13:58 | oleonard | nengard: When I saw that OPACViewOthersSuggestions has been broken for three years I threw up my hands and walked away |
| 13:59 | nengard | :( |
| 14:00 | oleonard is there a bug report for that? | |
| 14:00 | oleonard | Bug 4137 |
| 14:00 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4137 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , OPACViewOthersSuggestions does not work |
| 14:02 | nengard | DAMN - I have confirmed a new bug |
| 14:02 | report coming | |
| 14:02 | oleonard | It's GBRD! |
| 14:04 | nengard | bug 10223 |
| 14:04 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10223 critical, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , No suggestions showing in 3.10 |
| 14:04 | nengard | R=reporting ? |
| 14:04 | Instead of S = squashing? | |
| 14:04 | oleonard | Yes |
| 14:09 | nengard | :( |
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| 14:19 | gmcharlt | @quote random |
| 14:19 | huginn | gmcharlt: Quote #41: "owen: Being an ass doesn't qualify as a medical condition ;)" (added by jwagner at 03:13 PM, October 16, 2009) |
| 14:19 | oleonard | nengard: Something must have changed about the way suggestions are stored, because my old suggestions are showing up |
| 14:19 | jcamins | gmcharlt: it's morning for you already? Ugh... what happened to the morning? |
| 14:19 | oleonard | gmcharlt: One of my favorites! |
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| 14:20 | nengard | hmmm |
| 14:23 | oleonard i have other libraries telling me the old ones are gone too | |
| 14:23 | but i can only test new ones obviously | |
| 14:23 | i need to head out | |
| 14:23 | but i'll be back | |
| 14:23 | gmcharlt | jcamins: yep, it's morning for me --- which happily means COFFEE TIME! |
| 14:23 | jcamins | gmcharlt: actually, maybe that's what I need... tea. |
| 14:24 | I've been looking at AddAuthority and ModBiblio. They inpsire murderous thoughts in the reptilian portion of my brain. | |
| 14:30 | oleonard | cait I wonder if you have an opinion about Bug 9824, how librarians will feel about baskets no longer showing up |
| 14:30 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9824 normal, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Needs Signoff , Hide basket with no expected items in basqket list by bookseller |
| 14:32 | gmcharlt | oleonard: on the face of it, I'd want there to be more visible filtering options |
| 14:33 | hiding closed baskets is a reasonable default, but I can think of a lot of circumstances where acq staff need to delve into older issues | |
| 14:33 | orders, that is | |
| 14:33 | jcamins | Agreed. |
| 14:44 | * jcamins | curses the way we save records. |
| 14:44 | oleonard | Just slip a little patch in there before 3.12 jcamins |
| 14:44 | jcamins | oleonard: heh. |
| 14:45 | Seriously... it's horrifying. | |
| 14:46 | At its most basic, saving a record is sticking a blog into the database. | |
| 14:46 | No matter what type of record it is. | |
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| 14:47 | jcamins | Unfortunately, somewhere along the line saving an authority and saving a bib were turned into wildly different operations. |
| 14:48 | Wildly. | |
| 14:50 | I think I need a higher alcohol content in my tea. | |
| 14:51 | oleonard: on the theme of GBRD, I have one: "record saving code liable to send Release Manager off on murdering rampage." | |
| 15:23 | khall | jcamins, I'm working on an extension to the library groups feature. I'm talked to nicole and she tells me the Properties groups do absolutely nothing, and haven't since their introduction in 3.0. Should I remove them while I'm in there? |
| 15:23 | apparently they were part of a planned feature that never came to fruition | |
| 15:25 | jcamins | khall: that'd be gmcharlt's call, but I'd certainly vote for "yes." |
| 15:25 | No point in cluttering the code with features that don't even exist. | |
| 15:26 | gmcharlt | khall: gut reacton, yes, they can go away |
| 15:26 | * druthb | suggests adding http://theonion.github.io/fartscroll.js/ |
| 15:26 | oleonard | *cough* OpacAllowSharingPrivateLists *cough* |
| 15:26 | khall | jcamins, gmcharlt: will do, thanks! |
| 15:27 | oleonard needs a cough drop or something ; ) | |
| 15:27 | jcamins | oleonard: except that's a new feature that marcelr is in the process of submitting. |
| 15:28 | druthb | jcamins, can my new feature make it into 3.12? PLEEEEEEase? |
| 15:28 | jcamins | In fact, there's a patch on that path somewhere waiting to be signed off, I think. |
| 15:28 | druthb: no. | |
| 15:28 | oleonard | jcamins: I am grumpy about that preference going in so long before the actual feature has been released. |
| 15:28 | * druthb | pouts |
| 15:29 | jcamins | oleonard: I have to side with marcelr on that. |
| 15:29 | The last time he submitted an entire feature, it was blocked and the result was that an incredibly cool feature is never going to go in at all. | |
| 15:30 | oleonard | Okay, I defer to your judgement in that case |
| 15:32 | jcamins | Since there are not going to be any further string changes in 3.12, of course, I should point out that gmcharlt's judgement is the one that matters. |
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| 15:51 | jcamins | oleonard++ |
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| 16:09 | * cait | waves |
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| 16:19 | oleonard | cait: Bug 9824 fixes a regression? |
| 16:19 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9824 normal, P5 - low, ---, koha, Needs Signoff , Hide basket with no expected items in basqket list by bookseller |
| 16:20 | cait | yep |
| 16:20 | it's like this in 3.6 | |
| 16:20 | you only see orders you are not done with | |
| 16:20 | and also controlled by a pref only those you did, your branch did or all | |
| 16:21 | oleonard | That changes the story then. Fix regression first, later add the link to see all. |
| 16:25 | cait | i am not sure when it changed tho :( as we are pretty behind with updating |
| 16:25 | but there are similar older reports in bugzilal I think | |
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| 17:57 | * magnuse | sets his aim on those 1208 fuzzy strings |
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| 18:08 | magnuse | a bit unfortunate that we now use "plugin" for two widely different things? |
| 18:09 | jcamins | magnuse: I don't know, notionally they're the same type of thing. |
| 18:10 | magnuse | except the there is no way to actually "plug in" the old plugins? ;-) |
| 18:11 | you can choose to enable them, but you can't plug in a new one... | |
| 18:11 | jcamins | Sure there is. Just choose them from a dropdown list. |
| 18:11 | You can add as many as you want. | |
| 18:11 | magnuse | yeah, but the dropdown is prett fixed |
| 18:11 | jcamins | Not really. Just create a new file and your new value builder will show up. |
| 18:11 | If you're using Plack, you probably have to restart Plack. | |
| 18:12 | magnuse | guess our notions are different, then ;-) |
| 18:12 | jcamins | How's that not pluggable? |
| 18:15 | magnuse | to me there is a big difference between having a system for uploading "code" through the web ui on the one hand and saying "you can add any file you like to this folder" on the other |
| 18:15 | jcamins | Ah. |
| 18:15 | I see. | |
| 18:16 | That's true. | |
| 18:17 | Since I'm still not entirely sold on the uploading, that's not part of my definition of what's important about plugins. | |
| 18:18 | oleonard | For better or worse that's part of the common definition of plugins |
| 18:19 | jcamins | oleonard: and on heavily used systems like Wordpress, that makes sense to me. |
| 18:19 | oleonard | I don't say that as an argument for being able to upload, just to point out what users expectations of the definition will be |
| 18:27 | * chris_n | has never really been good a pinning a definition on user expectations in any context |
| 18:27 | chris_n | seems to be a moving target |
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| 18:34 | oleonard | I've always though the cataloging "plugins" were poorly named because of the end user's inability to plug anything in. |
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| 19:23 | jenkins_koha | Starting build #35 for job Koha_Docs_3.8.x (previous build: SUCCESS) |
| 19:23 | Starting build #44 for job Koha_Docs_3.10.x (previous build: SUCCESS) | |
| 19:23 | Project Koha_Docs_3.8.x build #35: SUCCESS in 13 sec: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]ha_Docs_3.8.x/35/ | |
| 19:23 | Nicole C. Engard: update OverdueNoticeBcc | |
| 19:23 | Project Koha_Docs_3.10.x build #44: SUCCESS in 14 sec: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]a_Docs_3.10.x/44/ | |
| 19:23 | Nicole C. Engard: update OverdueNoticeBcc | |
| 19:23 | Starting build #332 for job Koha_Docs (previous build: SUCCESS) | |
| 19:24 | Project Koha_Docs build #332: SUCCESS in 15 sec: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]ob/Koha_Docs/332/ | |
| 19:24 | Nicole C. Engard: update OverdueNoticeBcc | |
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| 19:39 | jenkins_koha | Starting build #114 for job Koha_3.10.x (previous build: SUCCESS) |
| 19:50 | jcamins | logs? |
| 19:50 | wahanui | it has been said that logs is http://irc.koha-community.org/irclog/koha/ |
| 19:51 | rangi | bag: you should tell Danielle to come say hi :) |
| 19:51 | dani joined #koha | |
| 19:52 | JesseM joined #koha | |
| 19:53 | bag | rangi: there she is dani ! |
| 19:53 | dani say hi | |
| 19:53 | :D | |
| 19:53 | dani | Good afternoon |
| 19:53 | from Texas | |
| 19:54 | cait | hi dani from Germany |
| 19:54 | jcamins | There was a discussion in here about OpenLibrary not doing covers anymore. Does anyone have the link to that article? |
| 19:54 | rangi | heya dani from NZ |
| 19:54 | * jcamins | waves from NYC. |
| 19:55 | rangi | hmm |
| 19:55 | i dont recall jcamins | |
| 19:55 | jcamins | rangi: I found it. |
| 19:56 | It was a mailing list message. | |
| 19:56 | rangi | ahh ha |
| 19:56 | @wunder nzwn | |
| 19:56 | huginn | rangi: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 14.0°C (7:30 AM NZST on May 10, 2013). Conditions: Rain Showers. Humidity: 82%. Dew Point: 11.0°C. Pressure: 29.83 in 1010 hPa (Rising). |
| 19:57 | kathryn joined #koha | |
| 19:57 | rangi | dani: we have a few useful bots in here, and some not so useful |
| 19:58 | bag? | |
| 19:58 | wahanui | I LIKE BASEBALL |
| 19:58 | rangi | see |
| 19:58 | @marc 245a | |
| 19:58 | huginn | rangi: unknown tag 245a |
| 19:58 | rangi | @marc 245 |
| 19:58 | huginn | rangi: The title and statement of responsibility area of the bibliographic description of a work. [a,b,c,f,g,h,k,n,p,s,6,8] |
| 19:58 | jcamins | @marc 952 |
| 19:58 | wahanui | The 952 field is used by Koha to store item data in MARC21 and is described at http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]_fields_%289xx%29 |
| 19:58 | huginn | jcamins: unknown tag 952 |
| 19:58 | oleonard | @karma IE |
| 19:58 | huginn | oleonard: Karma for "IE" has been increased 1 time and decreased 86 times for a total karma of -85. |
| 19:58 | jcamins | ^^ wahanui can fill in when huginn fails |
| 20:10 | gmcharlt | who incremented IE? |
| 20:11 | rangi | hmm |
| 20:11 | oleonard | And when I find that guy... |
| 20:11 | * oleonard | shakes fist |
| 20:11 | oleonard | Bye #koha |
| 20:11 | rangi | cya oleonard |
| 20:16 | cait | :) |
| 20:16 | oleonard++ ie-- | |
| 20:21 | jenkins_koha | Project Koha_3.10.x build #114: SUCCESS in 42 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]/Koha_3.10.x/114/ |
| 20:21 | * Tomas Cohen Arazi: Bug 10149 - koha-restart-zebra error handling (rewording) | |
| 20:21 | * Tomas Cohen Arazi: Bug 10144 - koha-start-zebra error handling | |
| 20:21 | * Tomas Cohen Arazi: Bug 10104 - make koha-disable more robust | |
| 20:21 | * Tomas Cohen Arazi: Bug 10104 - Followup: fix param check | |
| 20:21 | * Tomas Cohen Arazi: Bug 10101 - make koha-enable more robust | |
| 20:21 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10149 normal, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, RESOLVED FIXED, koha-restart-zebra error handling |
| 20:21 | jenkins_koha | * Tomas Cohen Arazi: Bug 10101 - Follwup: fix param check |
| 20:21 | * Tomas Cohen Arazi: Bug 10041 - Provide a koha-translate script to aid package users on installing translations | |
| 20:21 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10144 normal, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, RESOLVED FIXED, koha-start-zebra error handling |
| 20:21 | jenkins_koha | * Robin Sheat: Bug 9250 - [SIGNED-OFF] provide commands to manage the SIP server |
| 20:21 | * Magnus Enger: Bug 9250 - Followup to add koha-*-sip commands to koha-common.xml | |
| 20:21 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10104 normal, P5 - low, ---, chris, RESOLVED FIXED, koha-disable error handling |
| 20:21 | jenkins_koha | * Jonathan Druart: Bug 10044: Remove duplicate pagination on the pending orders page. |
| 20:21 | * Tomas Cohen Arazi: Bug 10150 - koha-email-disable error handling | |
| 20:21 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10101 normal, P5 - low, ---, chris, RESOLVED FIXED, koha-enable error handling |
| 20:21 | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10041 normal, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Pushed to Stable , Provide a koha-translate script to aid package users on installing translations | |
| 20:21 | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9250 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, robin, Pushed to Stable , Provide commands to allow handling of SIP servers in the packages | |
| 20:21 | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10044 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Stable , Doubled up paging on order receive | |
| 20:21 | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10150 normal, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Pushed to Stable , koha-email-disable error handling | |
| 20:21 | jenkins_koha | Starting build #115 for job Koha_3.10.x (previous build: SUCCESS) |
| 20:22 | * rangi | heads off to school |
| 20:45 | trea | morning #koha - i'm getting an internal server error on a 10.3.5 koha site when modifying |
| 20:45 | bah disregard that | |
| 20:45 | old message | |
| 20:49 | Dyrcona | old message from the future.... 10.3.5? :) |
| 20:50 | trea | sure, if you want |
| 20:50 | cait | :) |
| 20:52 | * gmcharlt | remembers the battles yet to come, concerning the TARDIS integration support that will be added to Koha |
| 20:52 | trea | and don't get me started with the tribbles frameworks. yeesh. |
| 20:53 | cait | gmcharlt: :) |
| 21:01 | wizzyrea | I always *knew* gmcharlt was a time lord! |
| 21:01 | rangi | back |
| 21:01 | cait | wb |
| 21:03 | jenkins_koha | Project Koha_3.10.x build #115: SUCCESS in 41 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]/Koha_3.10.x/115/ |
| 21:03 | * Bernardo Gonzalez Kriegel: Bug 9358 - Fixed field plugins for MARC21 should be updated for MARC21 update #15 | |
| 21:03 | * Bernardo Gonzalez Kriegel: Bug 9358 - Followup - Fixed field plugins for MARC21 should be updated for MARC21 update #15 | |
| 21:03 | * Chris Cormack: Bug 6709 : Patch for testing translating .xml files | |
| 21:03 | * Bernardo Gonzalez Kriegel: Bug 6709 - marc21_field_006.xml and marc21_field_008.xml can't be translated | |
| 21:03 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9358 normal, P5 - low, ---, bgkriegel, Pushed to Stable , Fixed field plugins for MARC21 should be updated for MARC21 update #15 |
| 21:03 | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6709 normal, P5 - low, ---, bgkriegel, Pushed to Stable , marc21_field_006.xml and marc21_field_008.xml can't be translated. | |
| 22:07 | eythian | hi |
| 22:07 | wahanui | bonjour, eythian |
| 22:10 | cait | hi eythian |
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| 22:15 | wizzyrea | heroo? |
| 22:15 | ah it's workign | |
| 22:16 | trea | o/ |
| 22:22 | eythian | /o/ |
| 22:22 | = | |
| 22:22 | \o\ | |
| 22:22 | |°| | |
| 22:22 | /°/ | |
| 22:22 | \ | |
| 22:23 | |o| | |
| 22:23 | it's a cartwheel! | |
| 22:23 | a bad one, anyway | |
| 22:23 | an arm fell off at one point | |
| 22:23 | wizzyrea | YMCA? |
| 22:24 | YMCA is \o/ ^o^ /o/ /o\ | |
| 22:24 | YMCA? | |
| 22:24 | wahanui | somebody said YMCA was o/ ^o^ /o/ /o\ |
| 22:24 | wizzyrea | yuss. |
| 22:24 | oh boo not quite right wahanui | |
| 22:25 | trea | heh |
| 22:27 | eythian | http://theonion.github.io/fartscroll.js/ <-- this should be easy to add to Koha I expect. |
| 22:28 | wizzyrea | that is made of winning. |
| 22:31 | jcamins | wahanui: forget ymca |
| 22:31 | wahanui | jcamins: I forgot ymca |
| 22:31 | jcamins | YMCA is \o/ ^o^ /o/ /o\ |
| 22:31 | forget ymca | |
| 22:31 | wahanui | jcamins: I forgot ymca |
| 22:31 | jcamins | YMCA is \\o/ ^o^ /o/ /o\ |
| 22:31 | ymca? | |
| 22:31 | wahanui | somebody said ymca was \ ^o^ /o/ /o\ |
| 22:31 | jcamins | Ummm... |
| 22:31 | forget ymca | |
| 22:31 | wahanui | jcamins: I forgot ymca |
| 22:31 | jcamins | wahanui: YMCA is <reply> \o/ ^o^ /o/ /o\ |
| 22:31 | wahanui | OK, jcamins. |
| 22:31 | jcamins | ymca? |
| 22:31 | wahanui | o/ ^o^ /o/ /o\ |
| 22:32 | jcamins | Oh well. |
| 22:32 | So much for that. | |
| 22:32 | wizzyrea | lol nice try though |
| 22:32 | eythian, do you have advice there? | |
| 22:32 | lol. | |
| 22:33 | druthb | '\ ? |
| 22:33 | wizzyrea | forget YMCA |
| 22:33 | wahanui | wizzyrea: I forgot ymca |
| 22:33 | wizzyrea | YMCA is '\o/ ^o^ /o/ /o\ |
| 22:33 | YMCA? | |
| 22:33 | wahanui | YMCA is 'o/ ^o^ /o/ /o\ |
| 22:33 | wizzyrea | yea naw |
| 22:34 | there's a trick for regex replacement | |
| 22:34 | forget YMCA | |
| 22:34 | wahanui | wizzyrea: I forgot ymca |
| 22:34 | wizzyrea | YMCA is <reply> We're gonna go to the \o/ ^o^ /o/ /o\ |
| 22:34 | YMCA? | |
| 22:34 | wahanui | We're gonna go to the o/ ^o^ /o/ /o\ |
| 22:34 | wizzyrea | lol he simply refuses. |
| 22:34 | probably because it's silly. | |
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| 22:35 | eythian | wahanui: forget ymca |
| 22:35 | wahanui | eythian: I forgot ymca |
| 22:36 | eythian | wahanui: YMCA is <reply> #o/ ^o^ /o/ /o\ |
| 22:36 | wahanui | OK, eythian. |
| 22:36 | eythian | wahanui: YMCA =~ s/#/\/ |
| 22:36 | wahanui | OK, eythian |
| 22:36 | cait | YMYA? |
| 22:36 | eythian | wahanui: YMCA |
| 22:36 | wahanui | \ ^o^ /o/ /o\ |
| 22:36 | cait | lol |
| 22:36 | YMCA | |
| 22:36 | eythian | nope, no idea |
| 22:36 | cait | YMCA? |
| 22:36 | wahanui | \ ^o^ /o/ /o\ |
| 22:36 | druthb | cait! |
| 22:36 | eythian | wahanui's escaping rules are pretty dumb |
| 22:36 | wizzyrea | nice try, thanks |
| 22:36 | eythian | wahanui: cait |
| 22:36 | wahanui | cait is qam, not your secretary |
| 22:37 | eythian | wahanui: cait |
| 22:37 | wahanui | go back to bed, cait. |
| 22:37 | druthb | wahanui++ |
| 22:37 | cait | alright |
| 22:37 | night :) | |
| 22:37 | cait left #koha | |
| 22:37 | wizzyrea | wow that didn't take much. |
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| 22:40 | eythian | heh |
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| 22:59 | druthb | wizzyrea: Bacon is the secret of life: http://newsfeed.time.com/2013/[…]live/?hpt=hp_bn18 |
| 23:00 | * wizzyrea | wonders if it matters if it's streaky bacon or shoulder bacon |
| 23:00 | wizzyrea | both are excellent, btw. |
| 23:01 | druthb | :) |
| 23:15 | jcamins | Yum, macaroons! I need to make some. |
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| 23:16 | jcamins | Unfortunately, I have a cat happily washing himself on my lap. |
| 23:16 | wizzyrea | macaroons or macarons |
| 23:17 | * wizzyrea | only recently learned these were different things |
| 23:17 | jcamins | Macaroon. |
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| 23:30 | dcook | morning #koha |
| 23:31 | Nice writeup in ALIA's Incite by Kathryn Greenhill titled "RFPS and FOSS: It's all about collaboration" | |
| 23:32 | rangi | they stuck it in opinion tho eh? |
| 23:32 | dcook | Mmm, yeah |
| 23:32 | rangi | orignally it wasn't and was going to include an interview with a couple of koha libraries |
| 23:32 | dcook | :o |
| 23:32 | Any idea what changed? | |
| 23:32 | rangi | is their paid advertising in it? :) |
| 23:33 | there even | |
| 23:33 | i totally would not put it past being 'oh we dont want to offend the proprietary scummy vendors who give us money' ;-) | |
| 23:33 | but thats just me being cynical after 14 years around the library world :) | |
| 23:33 | they didnt tell kathryn why they moved it | |
| 23:34 | just that they were going to | |
| 23:35 | dcook | :/ |
| 23:36 | It's too bad Koha only gets mentioned once in Edmund's write-up as well | |
| 23:36 | I suppose it is a day in the life of though | |
| 23:36 | A day in the life of me is far more Koha intensive :p | |
| 23:40 | "Without vendor sponsorship and exhibition booths, conference attendeance would be out of reach for most delegates" | |
| 23:40 | "Without advertising, we wouldn't be able to publish INCITE" | |
| 23:40 | rangi | there ya go :) |
| 23:42 | dcook | "As commercial enterprises, library vendors are very good at gathering data and intelligence about the sector, and generous about sharing, where it doesn't give away trade secrets" |
| 23:42 | So...they're not generous about sharing... | |
| 23:42 | I mean...we fall into the commercial enterprise camp too | |
| 23:42 | rangi | yep |
| 23:42 | we dont have trade secrets tho | |
| 23:42 | dcook | Exactly |
| 23:43 | I posted my z39.50 authority search on Bugzilla before I even started a backport for our systems | |
| 23:43 | jcamins | "where it doesn't give away trade secrets"? |
| 23:43 | dcook | More over, what trade secrets? |
| 23:43 | Librarians can be intimidated by jargon and sometimes think the higher the cost, the better the product? | |
| 23:43 | rangi | the only thing would be what we charge perhaps? |
| 23:44 | dcook | Mmm, that's true |
| 23:44 | rangi | but even that |
| 23:44 | wahanui | even that is a little rudimentary |
| 23:44 | rangi | i dont think we force clients to sign an NDA so they cant tell people what stuff cost |
| 23:45 | so thats only a semi secret | |
| 23:45 | wizzyrea | more of a "you would have to ask us" thing |
| 23:46 | dcook | I imagine cost is also fairly fluid and depends on different factors |
| 23:46 | rangi | yep |
| 23:48 | dcook | This reminds me of why I want to keep promoting FOSS amongst all the library folk I know... |
| 23:49 | I like Nell Hirst's comments about the future being human. | |
| 23:49 | I love technology but some things you really do want done in person. We do (often) crave social contact. | |
| 23:50 | Mind you, I wonder if libraries are one of those things... | |
| 23:50 | I get the majority of my groceries delivered now. I love not having to go to the grocery store to buy food. |
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