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| Time | Nick | Message |
|---|---|---|
| 00:04 | jcamins | Right, I'm done. |
| 00:04 | That was a rather abrasive e-mail, but I don't see any way to not be abrasive. | |
| 00:07 | mtj | aah, i sent a reply 30 mins ago, but forgot to CC it to the list... |
| 00:09 | rangi | replied to yours |
| 00:09 | tcohen | jcamins, your mail is not abrasive, its a good response |
| 00:09 | rangi | just clarifying again, that it is not an automatic upgrade |
| 00:09 | its only an automatic page telling you you need to upgrade | |
| 00:09 | you have to click upgrade | |
| 00:10 | so between those 3 emails, hopefully that ends the misinformation campaign | |
| 00:10 | now someone will probably ask for automatic upgrades | |
| 00:10 | :-) | |
| 00:11 | dcook | Need a bot named murphy |
| 00:11 | mtj | if you read very carefully, Paul reveals that he did upgrade his codebase to 3.8.10 - and forgot |
| 00:11 | hes pretty quiet about that cock-up | |
| 00:11 | jcamins | mtj: I'm sure I didn't see that comi-wait. |
| 00:14 | tcohen | it was an uppercut jcamins |
| 00:14 | bye #koha, pasta time :-D | |
| 00:15 | dcook | jcamins++ |
| 00:15 | Very well worded | |
| 00:17 | mtj | hopefully those 3 replies will be the end of that very stupid thread |
| 00:17 | jcamins | mtj: that's why I included the "I'll close this discussion..." |
| 00:17 | I am done with responding. | |
| 00:25 | mtj | heh , i just realised i typed the same thing as chris ^^ |
| 00:27 | also, the automatic redirection to the update page is a *feature*, not a bug | |
| 00:27 | its telling you that something very important needs to be done, on, your koha | |
| 00:33 | rangi | yeah |
| 00:33 | the bug is clicking that without reading it :) | |
| 00:36 | dcook | Quick question about packages... |
| 00:37 | You still need to install apache, mysql, and zebra before even trying the packages, yes? | |
| 00:37 | They'll find and install missing Perl dependencies though? | |
| 00:38 | rangi | only mysql |
| 00:38 | they install zebra and apache | |
| 00:38 | but you might have your mysqlserver on a different machine | |
| 00:38 | so it doesnt install that by default | |
| 00:39 | ie in you koha-sites config file you can point to a db server anywhere | |
| 00:39 | dcook | Mmm, right. I've seen the instructions for that |
| 00:39 | I'm just getting a cheap box that I'm going to be running everything on at home but that's very good to know :D | |
| 00:40 | Thanks, rangi :) | |
| 00:41 | I figure getting Koha running at home using packages will incentivize me to catalogue my home collection which will finally give me an excuse to unpack the study... | |
| 00:41 | rangi | :) |
| 00:41 | buy a cheap barcode scanner | |
| 00:41 | from dicksmith | |
| 00:41 | dcook | O_O |
| 00:41 | rangi | or the like |
| 00:41 | it will save you a crap ton of time | |
| 00:41 | dcook | Good call |
| 00:41 | rangi | if you can scan the isbn in |
| 00:42 | dcook | I am an absurdly fast typist, but...the barcode scanner would certainly save my fingers and the keypad.. |
| 00:43 | rangi | and less likely to typo |
| 00:43 | dcook | Mhm |
| 00:43 | I was wondering how I was going to do the Z39.50 searches | |
| 00:44 | But this will certainly help | |
| 00:44 | will = would* | |
| 00:44 | rangi | i have some scripts that can fetch a bunch and make marc records |
| 00:44 | so you can scan the isbn into a file | |
| 00:44 | then do them all in a batch | |
| 00:44 | dcook | I've pondered that a bit recently |
| 00:44 | How do you select the record? | |
| 00:45 | Just the first result? | |
| 00:46 | Admittedly, it would probably be easier to do them as a batch and then edit the marc records as necessary after the fact | |
| 00:46 | rangi | yeah |
| 00:46 | you have to be careful tho | |
| 00:47 | not to overwhelm the z3950 server | |
| 00:47 | voyagers one is super easy to do | |
| 00:48 | (LOC have yaz proxy out in front of their one to save it, but i popped the natlib of nz once) | |
| 00:48 | dcook | Eeep |
| 00:49 | I suppose you could build in your own delay/timeout | |
| 00:49 | rangi | yeah thats what i had to do :) |
| 00:50 | dcook | Hmm, do you have to subscribe to the natlib of nz? |
| 00:53 | mtj | http://lists.vuw.ac.nz/mailman/listinfo/nz-libs |
| 00:54 | dcook | Thanks, mtj |
| 00:54 | I was meaning for z39.50 though | |
| 00:54 | http://lianzaitsig.pbworks.com[…]ion%20Information | |
| 00:54 | "The National Bibliographic database is available to Te Puna subscribers via Z39.50" | |
| 00:58 | mtj | aah, ok |
| 00:59 | there is some public z39, i think… | |
| 01:02 | Address: nlnzcat.natlib.govt.nz | |
| 01:02 | Port: 7190 | |
| 01:02 | Database Name: voyager | |
| 01:03 | ...works ok, without a user/pwd | |
| 01:05 | dcook | Sweet :D |
| 01:05 | thanks, mtj :) | |
| 01:11 | mtj | hmmm, looks like z39 settings for tepuna are marc8, not utf |
| 01:11 | jcamins | Move over, Jiro, jcamins has started making sushi! |
| 01:11 | Really, really good sushi, too. | |
| 01:15 | dcook | :D |
| 01:15 | jcamins | dcook: I need Edmund's name and e-mail address so I can give him credit for that patch. I'm going to amend it to make him the author. |
| 01:15 | dcook | rangi: Perhaps instead of a community kitchen at Kohacon, we should all just group together and have Jared cook for everyone :p |
| 01:15 | jcamins | lol |
| 01:15 | * jcamins | would do it, too! |
| 01:15 | dcook | !!! |
| 01:16 | jcamins | When I was in Morocco I made Thanksgiving dinner for 25 people. |
| 01:16 | Only ten showed up. | |
| 01:16 | dcook | jcamins: That thought crossed my mind last night on the bus. I'll send it on over. |
| 01:16 | jcamins | Thanks. |
| 01:16 | wizzyrea | what kind of sushi? |
| 01:17 | jcamins | wizzyrea: just California roll and Philadelphia roll. |
| 01:17 | wizzyrea | ah cool yum |
| 01:17 | jcamins | But a really, really good California roll and Philadelphia roll. |
| 01:18 | wizzyrea: oh, by the way, I got the answer on the issue with the hot fudge. | |
| 01:18 | wizzyrea | oh yea? |
| 01:18 | wahanui | yea is better to not get attached to a specific koha version >.> |
| 01:18 | jcamins | Yeah, it should have been 12 *ounces* of chocolate chips, not twelve pieces. |
| 01:18 | wizzyrea | ohh |
| 01:19 | forget yea | |
| 01:19 | wahanui | wizzyrea: I forgot yea |
| 01:19 | jcamins | However, since most recipes call for 1 oz of chocolate (i.e. ~20 pieces) and cocoa powder + sugar + cornstarch, it didn't occur to me to make that correction. |
| 01:19 | wizzyrea | sugar + cornstarch = many types of powdered or icing sugar |
| 01:19 | but not all! | |
| 01:19 | wahanui | not all are active in the community now |
| 01:19 | wizzyrea | forget not all |
| 01:19 | wahanui | wizzyrea: I forgot not all |
| 01:19 | jcamins | Hehe. |
| 01:19 | Personally, I like wahanui's interjections. | |
| 01:20 | wizzyrea | heh |
| 01:20 | i like them when they're apropos | |
| 01:20 | sometimes they're just weird. | |
| 01:20 | jcamins | I especially like the weird ones. |
| 01:20 | mtj | yeah, me too ^^ |
| 01:20 | jcamins | They make me giggle, and that's important when I'm RM. |
| 01:20 | :P | |
| 01:20 | wizzyrea | hah |
| 01:21 | mtj | thats were all teh magic happenzz |
| 01:22 | * mtj | tickles wahanui's tummy |
| 01:22 | dcook | hehe |
| 01:24 | * dcook | really wants sushi now... |
| 01:25 | jcamins | dcook: it was amazing. |
| 01:25 | And it took about twenty minutes to make. | |
| 01:25 | Well, plus the rice. | |
| 01:25 | dcook | Yeah, I used to make quite a bit of sushi with the ex. Always a good time. |
| 01:25 | * dcook | personally quite enjoys S&M rolls |
| 01:25 | dcook | salmon and mango |
| 01:26 | jcamins | Oh, sure, just upstage me and burst my bubble about being the first person I know who has made sushi. :P |
| 01:26 | dcook | The Eatery in Vancouver, while over-priced and ridiculously over-hyped, does have interesting names and tasty foods |
| 01:26 | hehe | |
| 01:26 | jcamins | Hehe. |
| 01:26 | dcook | It is rather rare! |
| 01:26 | I wouldn't have done it if she hadn't thought of it | |
| 01:27 | wizzyrea | I made sushi in college, and off and on through my 20's :P |
| 01:27 | sorry... | |
| 01:27 | dcook | Sushi in Kansas? |
| 01:27 | * dcook | hadn't even heard of sushi in Saskatchewan until he was 19 |
| 01:28 | wizzyrea | yap. |
| 01:28 | lawrence is a cool town :) | |
| 01:28 | dcook | Over 88,000 more people than my home town...that might be why as well... |
| 01:28 | That's cool, wizzyrea! | |
| 01:28 | * dcook | tries to remember his brief time in Kansas |
| 01:29 | dcook | It was a lot like Saskatchewan. Flat. Lots of wheat. Roads. |
| 01:29 | Road signs. | |
| 01:29 | wizzyrea | electric poles. |
| 01:29 | dcook | Mmm, my favourite |
| 01:29 | wizzyrea | lawrence area is hilly-ish |
| 01:29 | more like mounds. | |
| 01:29 | gently rolling mounds. | |
| 01:29 | Irma left #koha | |
| 01:29 | * jcamins | scratches his head... what? |
| 01:29 | jcamins | Are they like... giant Van de Graaf generators? :P |
| 01:30 | wizzyrea | hehe naw |
| 01:30 | telephone poles maybe? | |
| 01:30 | you're right, they do bury the electric lines now | |
| 01:30 | and telephone too but | |
| 01:30 | in rural kansas | |
| 01:30 | there are a lot of poles with wires strung along them | |
| 01:30 | jcamins | I know what they are, but I can't remember the last time I saw one. |
| 01:30 | wizzyrea | http://images.fasocdn.com/2394[…]-at-sunset-ks.jpg |
| 01:31 | dcook | That photo describes my youth |
| 01:31 | wizzyrea | http://manhattaninfidel.com/wp[…]lephone-poles.jpg |
| 01:31 | dcook | Pretty :) |
| 01:31 | Hmm | |
| 01:32 | Where's that photo when you need it.. | |
| 01:32 | wizzyrea | http://worldonline.media.clien[…]7c4082bf6ded075dc |
| 01:32 | this one is actually from the lawrence paper | |
| 01:32 | jcamins | I remember finding it weird when I first encountered buried wire (well, I didn't encounter the wire, just the lack of poles), but now it seems perfectly natural. |
| 01:32 | wizzyrea | you can tell by the "worldonline.clients.ellingtoncms |
| 01:32 | jcamins | wizzyrea: yeah, that definitely communicates the source well. :) |
| 01:32 | dcook | Blah, this isn't the right size, but... http://www.twosexygeeks.com/wp[…]geeks-170x126.jpg |
| 01:32 | wizzyrea | it does if you worked there/ |
| 01:33 | haha | |
| 01:33 | jcamins | Hehe. |
| 01:33 | wizzyrea | jcamins: :) |
| 01:33 | dcook | I usually caption that as "Winter in Saskatchewan" |
| 01:33 | wizzyrea | kekkeke |
| 01:37 | right, really ought to eat something before I eat my own arm. | |
| 01:37 | jcamins | wizzyrea: sushi! |
| 01:37 | wizzyrea | i like where your head is at. |
| 01:38 | sushi is easy and relatively cheap near here. | |
| 01:38 | jcamins | wizzyrea: wait... you were able to get nori in Lawrence? |
| 01:38 | It seemed unusual to me when I found it in New York! | |
| 01:40 | dcook | Used to be able to find nori at most grocery stores in the cities in SK |
| 01:40 | At least in recent years | |
| 01:45 | cjh | I haven't made sushi in years, need to give it a go again. |
| 01:49 | * jcamins | makes a note that #koha is not the place to find people to be impressed by his sushi making. |
| 01:57 | eythian | many of us here at this time of day are totally surrounded by fish. We get calamari just washing up on the beaches, for example. |
| 01:58 | jcamins | lol |
| 01:58 | So... | |
| 01:58 | definitely not the place. | |
| 01:58 | dcook | lol |
| 01:59 | Oooh. There is a good sushi place just down the street that I forgot about until now... | |
| 02:01 | jcamins: If you come up with some awesome vegan sushi recipes, I'll be very impressed | |
| 02:02 | jcamins | dcook: avocado sushi. |
| 02:02 | Mango sushi. | |
| 02:02 | dcook | My sushi going is definitely these days now that I'm partnered up with someone that doesn't consume animal products |
| 02:02 | I do like avocado sushi. | |
| 02:02 | Mango sushi on its own...hmm | |
| 02:02 | jcamins | Apparently sauteed mushrooms are traditional. |
| 02:03 | dcook | Oooh |
| 02:03 | Yeah, I haven't had mushroom sushi in ages | |
| 02:03 | jcamins | Pickled Japanese eggplant. |
| 02:03 | Spinach marinated in something I've forgotten. | |
| 02:06 | dcook | :D |
| 02:06 | wizzyrea | probably rice wine and soy sauce |
| 02:06 | * jcamins | contemplates. |
| 02:06 | jcamins | If you're doing offline circ, what information do you need? |
| 02:06 | In terms of fines. | |
| 02:07 | wizzyrea | erm |
| 02:07 | the first question? | |
| 02:07 | wahanui | "What are you trying to do?" or "What is the goal?" |
| 02:07 | jcamins | Explain *exactly* what offline circ should do. |
| 02:08 | Ah- and take screenshots of it. | |
| 02:08 | wizzyrea | I think you cannot do much with fines |
| 02:08 | offline | |
| 02:09 | jcamins | That was my thought. |
| 02:09 | wizzyrea | are you wanting to do stuff with fines? |
| 02:09 | and if so, what? | |
| 02:09 | jcamins | Me? |
| 02:09 | wahanui | you are brilliant |
| 02:09 | dcook | hehe |
| 02:09 | jcamins | I generally try and persuade my libraries not to charge fines. |
| 02:09 | wizzyrea | whoever is asking about it |
| 02:09 | jcamins | My question was specifically whether _you_ (whoever is around) wanted to do stuff with fines. |
| 02:10 | While offline. | |
| 02:10 | I think total fines is all the information that is needed. | |
| 02:10 | So someone can make a payment. | |
| 02:10 | bgkriegel | sorry, another question not about food. It's possible to borrow more than one item of the same record to a patron? |
| 02:11 | jcamins | bgkriegel: yes, unless you change a syspref (which I have forgotten the name of) in order to disable it. |
| 02:11 | bgkriegel | oh, I'll check |
| 02:11 | jcamins | wizzyrea: http://screencast.com/t/Lcl9fqF2M <-- picture of offline circ concept |
| 02:12 | And the details tab is a candidate for removal. | |
| 02:12 | wizzyrea | I think it's better to not do anything with fines |
| 02:13 | jcamins | Hmmm... thinking about when my college library went offline, I think we were able to collect fines, but did not know what the patron's balance was. |
| 02:14 | Because it could be out of sync, and that would be bad. | |
| 02:14 | * wizzyrea | suggests using a bit of paper |
| 02:14 | wizzyrea | but I guess if you want to do that |
| 02:14 | you should collect the borrowernumber, and the amount paid | |
| 02:14 | jcamins | Right. |
| 02:14 | wizzyrea | (but I think that is just as well kept in something like a spreadsheet. |
| 02:15 | ) | |
| 02:15 | jcamins | In this case, the reason for offline circ is a bookmobile with no internet connectivity, and they don't really want to do everything by hand. |
| 02:16 | bgkriegel | good night |
| 02:16 | wahanui | I watch you sleep. |
| 02:17 | wizzyrea | I guess you could add to the patron dump their current fines. |
| 02:17 | but that will be wayyyy out of date. | |
| 02:17 | but if they ONLY ever pay their fines to the book mobile | |
| 02:17 | jcamins | Well, not so way out of date. |
| 02:17 | wizzyrea | it could be alright |
| 02:18 | well way out of date as often as you generate the patron file | |
| 02:18 | jcamins | It would be current up until the bookmobile leaves the library. |
| 02:18 | wizzyrea | if that's when you generate the borrower file |
| 02:18 | jcamins | This is HTML5. |
| 02:18 | So you don't have to do a big generation step. | |
| 02:18 | wizzyrea | then it's not offline circ? |
| 02:18 | I don't follow. | |
| 02:19 | jcamins | HTML5 has support for using web pages offline, and storing data in a database in the web browser. |
| 02:19 | Because I am using that, you can hook the laptop up to your library network, catch up to the current situation, then disconnect, go do your bookmobile thing, come back, and upload the results. | |
| 02:20 | So syncing won't be as far off as with a file-based sync. | |
| 02:20 | It'll be out of date, but not _way_ out of date. | |
| 02:21 | rangi | you could easily fit all the info you need about a borrower, even if there were a zillion of them in indexdb |
| 02:21 | jcamins | Oh, I know. |
| 02:21 | rangi | cardnumber, category etc |
| 02:21 | same with items | |
| 02:21 | jcamins | The issue is more like "what information do I want to show on my screenshot." :P |
| 02:21 | rangi | you really only need the barcode, and the itemtype |
| 02:21 | yeah | |
| 02:21 | exactly | |
| 02:22 | jcamins | Sorry, I guess I should have clarified that the question was more about what you want to be seeing as someone using an off-line circ system. |
| 02:22 | rangi | ah |
| 02:22 | be nice to have borrowers name | |
| 02:23 | and maybe | |
| 02:23 | wizzyrea | http://screencast.com/t/Lcl9fqF2M |
| 02:23 | this is what he's got so far | |
| 02:23 | or some variant of it | |
| 02:23 | rangi | as of 29/2/2013 12:43 this borrower owed $20 |
| 02:23 | eythian | http://www.tor.com/blogs/2013/[…]ee-one-year-later |
| 02:24 | rangi | or at least the reason that an issue should fail |
| 02:24 | yeah thats good id just timestamp it with the time you last synced | |
| 02:25 | jcamins | Oh, good idea. |
| 02:36 | Offline circ home: http://screencast.com/t/RAIzeRkyx ; checkout screen: http://screencast.com/t/ttJd6gH0 ; checkin screen: http://screencast.com/t/Mk8LFXsp9PX | |
| 02:38 | Eventually the goal would be to have the actual circ pages support offline mode, but I figure a good start is using appcache FALLBACK. | |
| 02:38 | wizzyrea | how long would a sync take/ |
| 02:39 | rangi | yeah sounds good |
| 02:39 | jcamins | wizzyrea: which direction? |
| 02:39 | wizzyrea | let's start with down |
| 02:39 | to the browser. | |
| 02:39 | jcamins | I'm not positive, but ~5k records/sec. |
| 02:40 | On my slow VM. | |
| 02:40 | wizzyrea | back would be much faster |
| 02:40 | jcamins | Yeah. |
| 02:40 | wizzyrea | you only send what's changed? |
| 02:41 | jcamins | That's my initial plan, though if I find it's faster to do a complete reload, I'll do that. |
| 02:41 | For performance testing, I'll need to use different CPUs for the server and browser. | |
| 02:42 | It seems probable there might be some performance issues if they're contesting a single, now-outdated CPU. :) | |
| 02:42 | wizzyrea | records = borrowers or... |
| 02:42 | sorry so many questions | |
| 02:42 | jcamins | Any type of record. It's not actually implemented. |
| 02:42 | wizzyrea | trying to wrap my head around it. |
| 02:42 | ah | |
| 02:43 | jcamins | I just tested sending several thousand objects, said "wow, that's fast," and declared it was a good idea. :P |
| 02:43 | There's some disagreement about whether you start seeing performance issues when you get into the millions, but I didn't get try that yet. | |
| 02:44 | wizzyrea | that's not over the internet though? |
| 02:44 | jcamins | No. |
| 02:44 | Data transfer speeds will naturally have an impact. | |
| 02:45 | But not as much as I was worried the actual IndexedDB wouuld have. | |
| 02:46 | *would | |
| 02:46 | rangi | its not transferring much data tho is it .. we arent moving marc records or anything eh? |
| 02:46 | jcamins | No. |
| 02:46 | Incredibly small amounts of data. | |
| 02:46 | wizzyrea | just borrowers? |
| 02:46 | and a bit of fines? | |
| 02:47 | jcamins | Borrowers and their basic information, item barcode/title/item type/branch, and... that's it, actually. |
| 02:47 | At least, that's it in my proposal. | |
| 02:47 | And I think I might arbitrarily cut the titles at a relatively short number of characters for display purposes anyway. | |
| 02:49 | That's not for data size concerns, though. It's because long titles are a problem on my phone. | |
| 02:50 | rangi | yah |
| 03:06 | jcamins | @later tell gmcharlt I confirm that you reverted the same patches I did. |
| 03:06 | huginn` | jcamins: The operation succeeded. |
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| 03:27 | mtj | hmm, i reckon ive spotted a bug with the inventory/stocktake thingy... |
| 03:33 | eythian | don't you just hate it when people don't |
| 03:42 | pastebot | "jcamins" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "rangi: JS for loading a record on the client side (but note you have to copy all the templates in MARC21slimUtils.xsl into MARC21slim2OPACDetail.xsl)" (42 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/486 |
| 03:43 | jcamins | Good night, #koha. |
| 03:49 | dcook | night, jcamins |
| 03:50 | rangi | cya jcamins |
| 03:50 | and very cool | |
| 04:23 | cait joined #koha | |
| 04:36 | cait | goodmorning koha |
| 04:40 | jeff joined #koha | |
| 05:01 | eythian | hi cait |
| 05:01 | cait | hi eythian :) |
| 05:13 | * dcook | waves to cait |
| 05:13 | * cait | waves back |
| 05:18 | * dcook | has committed more than 40 local patches today... |
| 05:18 | dcook | I think Vim is becoming a part of me |
| 05:18 | Or I of it | |
| 05:18 | cait | heh |
| 05:19 | busy | |
| 05:19 | dcook | Yeah, it's quite exciting |
| 05:19 | I decided to finally knuckle down and try to get as many of our local customizations into git as possible | |
| 05:19 | Once they're all in there, I'll start cherrypicking some over to master :D | |
| 05:19 | cait | that sounds a reasonable thing to do |
| 05:19 | where have they been residing before? | |
| 05:20 | dcook | In the past, development was done directly to a test install |
| 05:20 | Then deployed from there | |
| 05:20 | With no history | |
| 05:21 | Which made it excrutiating to try to send patches back to the community | |
| 05:27 | drojf joined #koha | |
| 05:27 | drojf | good morning #koha |
| 05:28 | cait | dcook: ouch |
| 05:28 | dcook: I would say your time today was well spent | |
| 05:28 | good morning drojf | |
| 05:29 | dcook | morning drojf |
| 05:29 | cait: I agree ^_^ | |
| 05:29 | drojf | so you had fun on the mailing list tonight? :D |
| 05:29 | hi cait and dcook | |
| 05:29 | cait | I was sleeping |
| 05:33 | * dcook | is down to about only 9 files left containing relatively undocumented customizations... |
| 05:33 | cait | comments? documentation? :) |
| 05:33 | dcook | I can't remember if it was 50-80 this morning... |
| 05:33 | cait | jupp |
| 05:33 | dcook | When I'm lucky, there are some comments ;) |
| 05:34 | I'm using a merge program that highlights all differences though, so that's nice | |
| 05:34 | Without it...it would be an unenviable task | |
| 05:34 | Not that I think anyone is jealous of this task...:p | |
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| 05:58 | eythian | that git talk reminds me |
| 05:58 | wahanui: wizzyrea is also a fan of selecting hunks for committing. | |
| 05:58 | wahanui | okay, eythian. |
| 05:59 | eythian | (this came up during a git course) |
| 05:59 | cait | hunks? |
| 05:59 | eythian | it's a git thing, part of a patch |
| 06:00 | but it's also a term for an attractive man | |
| 06:00 | she started laughing about it during the course. | |
| 06:01 | cait | heh |
| 06:01 | dcook | hehe |
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| 06:26 | * magnuse | waves |
| 06:26 | * cait | waves back |
| 06:28 | magnuse | :-) |
| 06:31 | drojf | hi magnuse |
| 06:33 | cait | hi matts |
| 06:33 | matts | hi ! |
| 06:34 | magnuse | moin drojf |
| 06:34 | bonjour matts | |
| 06:34 | @wunder marseille | |
| 06:34 | huginn` | magnuse: The current temperature in Marseille, France is 17.0°C (8:00 AM CEST on April 30, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 77%. Dew Point: 13.0°C. Pressure: 29.89 in 1012 hPa (Rising). |
| 06:34 | magnuse | nice! |
| 06:34 | cait | @wunder strasbourg |
| 06:34 | huginn` | cait: The current temperature in Strasbourg, France is 10.1°C (8:32 AM CEST on April 30, 2013). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 88%. Dew Point: 8.0°C. Pressure: 30.09 in 1019 hPa (Steady). |
| 06:34 | drojf | @wunder berlin, germany |
| 06:34 | huginn` | drojf: The current temperature in Prenzlauer Berg, Berlin, Germany is 10.4°C (8:12 AM CEST on April 30, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 54%. Dew Point: 2.0°C. Pressure: 30.18 in 1022 hPa (Steady). |
| 06:34 | cait | @wunder Konstanz |
| 06:34 | huginn` | cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 9.6°C (8:30 AM CEST on April 30, 2013). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 95%. Dew Point: 9.0°C. Windchill: 10.0°C. Pressure: 30.01 in 1016 hPa (Steady). |
| 06:34 | magnuse | @wunder boo |
| 06:34 | huginn` | magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 5.0°C (8:20 AM CEST on April 30, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 81%. Dew Point: 2.0°C. Windchill: 3.0°C. Pressure: 29.44 in 997 hPa (Steady). |
| 06:34 | cait | i 'win' :( |
| 06:34 | oh no magnuse does | |
| 06:34 | drojf | poor cait |
| 06:35 | eythian | @wunder nzwn |
| 06:35 | huginn` | eythian: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 14.0°C (6:00 PM NZST on April 30, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 88%. Dew Point: 12.0°C. Pressure: 30.09 in 1019 hPa (Rising). |
| 06:35 | * eythian | wins |
| 06:35 | drojf | the colder it is now the more it can increase during the day… or something ;) |
| 06:35 | magnuse | it feels like spring, though! |
| 06:37 | drojf | magnuse: that's the spirit ;) |
| 06:38 | magnuse | :-) |
| 06:39 | dcook | @wunder sydney, australia |
| 06:39 | huginn` | dcook: The current temperature in Sydney, New South Wales is 20.0°C (4:00 PM EST on April 30, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 78%. Dew Point: 16.0°C. Pressure: 30.18 in 1022 hPa (Steady). |
| 06:39 | dcook | It's been rather warm this year, especially the past few days |
| 06:39 | I was sweating at home last night. It felt like summer! | |
| 06:39 | Last week, we had every blank we own on the bed at night. Australia has such a weird climate sometimes... | |
| 06:41 | cait | feels like spring here too - hay fever |
| 06:41 | drojf | that's how you grow those weird spiders :P |
| 06:41 | dcook | hehe |
| 06:41 | We do have an awful lot of them. I'm constantly walking into spider webs... | |
| 06:41 | alex_a | bonjour |
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| 06:41 | dcook | So far no deadly bites ;) |
| 06:42 | bonjour alex_a, reivune | |
| 06:42 | reiveune | hello |
| 06:42 | wahanui | hello, reiveune |
| 06:42 | cait | dcook: lol |
| 06:43 | brb :) | |
| 06:43 | alex_a | hello dcook cait |
| 06:48 | dcook | Only 9 files with local changes left for me to put into the git... |
| 06:49 | rangi | then make whoever made changes without using versions buy a zillion beers for being crazy? |
| 06:50 | * dcook | likes this idea |
| 06:50 | dcook | I'm very glad that I find my way to #koha and became (more) enlightened |
| 06:51 | Also glad that I was able to convince the powers that there was no way we weren't using Git going forward :D | |
| 06:51 | * dcook | ordered his new experiment box last night |
| 06:52 | dcook | Can't wait for it to arrive so I can finally try out the Debian packages! |
| 06:52 | Next step might be moving from OpenSuse to Debian...although that's a much more dramatic change than switching from versionless to versioned development.. | |
| 06:55 | BibLibre++ | |
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| 06:58 | christophe_c | hello #koha |
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| 07:03 | dcook | allo christophe_c |
| 07:03 | et asaurat :) | |
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| 07:05 | asaurat | hi! |
| 07:05 | christophe_c | hi dcook |
| 07:17 | magnuse | dcook++ |
| 07:17 | Joubu | hi #koha |
| 07:18 | dcook | hi Joubu |
| 07:18 | hey magnuse :) | |
| 07:18 | Very excited for the box and for the progress here at Prosentient | |
| 07:18 | magnuse | yay! |
| 07:19 | dcook | I actually feel like I might be able to tackle all the issues! |
| 07:19 | magnuse | w00t! |
| 07:19 | dcook | :) |
| 07:20 | magnuse | you could also test the packages in e.g. virtualbox? |
| 07:20 | dcook | Hmm, that's true |
| 07:20 | But the only machine I have at home is a little netbook | |
| 07:20 | Which is... | |
| 07:20 | Well, I've already set up Debian and git on it | |
| 07:20 | It's pretty slow | |
| 07:20 | magnuse | ah |
| 07:21 | yeah, that is no fun | |
| 07:21 | dcook | Only 1gb of ram that it needs to split between virtualbox and windows |
| 07:21 | I should upgrade to 2gb at some point.. | |
| 07:21 | The processor is pretty slow too | |
| 07:21 | This new one a 2.6ghz processor and 4gb of ram if I recall correctly...should be more than enough | |
| 07:22 | I really want to try installing Koha on a raspberry pi at some point though | |
| 07:22 | drojf: Did you do the instructions for that? | |
| 07:22 | * magnuse | wants to try that too |
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| 07:23 | huginn` | GERMS!!!! |
| 07:23 | wahanui | i think germs is http://i.imgur.com/5UfhT.jpg |
| 07:23 | dcook | wb kf |
| 07:23 | kf | hello :) |
| 07:24 | dcook | All right. I had best be off for the night |
| 07:24 | Take care :) | |
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| 07:24 | gaetan_B | hello |
| 07:27 | magnuse | hiya gaetan_B |
| 07:27 | ...and kf | |
| 07:27 | kf | :) |
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| 07:28 | gaetan_B | :) too |
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| 07:58 | drojf | @later tell dcook i did (the koha on a raspi instructions), but they are outdated. it should be easier to do now, the raspian distribution takes care of a lot of things i had to do manually. and you have overclocking and more ram now, plus you have to share less ram with the gpu :) |
| 07:58 | huginn` | drojf: The operation succeeded. |
| 08:01 | drojf | that brings me to the question: what is the status of plack going to be in 3.12? |
| 08:05 | magnuse | searching for plack in bz, there are 3 blockers and 2 criticals that are new or in discussion... |
| 08:06 | probably a question for jcamins, though | |
| 08:08 | drojf | yeah there is a lot in bz |
| 08:15 | are we going to have packages for squeeze and wheezy? | |
| 08:15 | i think it is supposed to come out next weekend? (wheezy that is) | |
| 08:17 | magnuse | it will probably need some testing on wheezy? |
| 08:18 | drojf | not sure if it makes a difference at all for the package. i think master is missing a dependency in wheezy though |
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| 08:23 | magnuse | drojf: i'm not sure either, just thinking that there might be newer versions of a lot of the packages we depend on... |
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| 09:08 | gaetan_B | is there a reason why we have a "notes" field both in biblio and biblioitems ? the one in biblioitems is not mapped by default it seems. |
| 09:17 | * magnuse | would guess there are historical reasons for it... |
| 09:20 | drojf | we should have classes in koha history and koha archeology |
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| 09:33 | gaetan_B | ok so i can reuse this safely for something else i guess :) |
| 09:36 | magnuse | gaetan_B: maybe check with paul_p? |
| 09:36 | gaetan_B | magnuse: i don't know, it's for a marc21 install |
| 09:37 | i need to have the language of the document at hand in the database for reports | |
| 09:37 | (it's for the Kurds !) | |
| 09:37 | by the way | |
| 09:37 | magnuse | ah. i thought maybe paul_p would know if there is some reason not to use it... |
| 09:38 | gaetan_B | in a plain marc21 install, 041$a is not linked to any authorised value, but the field is supposed to hold a language code, is it the same standard as the one used in unimarc ? or is it not standardised ? |
| 09:42 | drojf | gaetan_B: http://www.loc.gov/marc/languages/ don't know what you use in unimarc |
| 09:42 | gaetan_B: you can use others too, there is another subfield to specify the source (might be $2, not sure) | |
| 09:43 | gaetan_B: yes, it's $2, see also http://www.loc.gov/marc/bibliographic/bd041.html | |
| 09:44 | the standard codes are basically iso-639-2 with some differences | |
| 09:44 | gaetan_B | ok so that would be why koha doesn't enforce one at install |
| 09:44 | yes we use the same codes in unimarc | |
| 09:53 | * drojf | leaves |
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| 11:04 | jcamins | drojf: Plack will work better in 3.12 than it did in 3.10. |
| 11:04 | And that's about it. | |
| 11:04 | drojf | jcamins: i hope so :) |
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| 11:05 | drojf | jcamins: that is not really a recommendation to use it in production, is it? ;) |
| 11:05 | jcamins | No. |
| 11:06 | Definitely not. | |
| 11:06 | drojf | :) |
| 11:06 | jcamins | Calling 3.10 Plack-ready was jumping the gun. |
| 11:06 | drojf | well… a raspberry PI image would only make sense with a 3.14 anyway |
| 11:07 | jcamins: it would be interesting to see which parts of the staff client are safe to use with plack. but my fear is that the answer is "none" | |
| 11:07 | jcamins | Yeah... I had been hoping someone other than me would be trying to fix Plack support this release cycle. |
| 11:09 | I'd say the situation is that most of the staff client works. | |
| 11:09 | But not necessarily well. | |
| 11:10 | drojf | yes, but it seems there are traps everywhere, so it depends on the library's needs |
| 11:11 | jcamins | Exactly. |
| 11:11 | drojf | i have not been working with plack in a while but it was already ok from testing (as in "playing aorund with it) months ago. just if you need a function here or a page there it might be the wrong one ;) |
| 11:15 | jcamins | Exactly. |
| 11:17 | drojf | gaetan_B: regarding the language code question: do you have those in unimarc authorities by default? that might be useful/reusable for marc21 libraries too |
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| 11:30 | drojf | you have. interesting. http://git.koha-community.org/[…]0e64cb5ea;hb=HEAD |
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| 11:45 | jcamins | drojf: seems to me you could do a Raspi "test" image. |
| 11:45 | "Not for use in production, but take a look." | |
| 11:50 | That way we know that Koha is the first ILS with a raspberry pi image. :P | |
| 11:56 | magnuse | ooh, cool idea! |
| 12:02 | drojf | jcamins: i might actually do that :D |
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| 12:22 | oleonard | Hi #koha |
| 12:32 | drojf | hi oleonard |
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| 12:40 | gaetan_B | drojf: sorry for the late answer, actually it seems we have them in french |
| 12:41 | in isntaller/data/mysql/fr-FR/1-Obligatoire/authorised_values.sql | |
| 12:41 | drojf | gaetan_B: yes i found them, thanks :) |
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| 12:45 | tcohen | has anyone something like this? http://snag.gy/wbrOA.jpg |
| 12:47 | * jcamins | doesn't even know what those processes are. |
| 12:49 | tcohen | iscsi stuff, but the load! |
| 12:49 | jcamins | Oh, I thought you were hoping someone knew why it was so high based on the processes. |
| 12:50 | No, never seen anything like that. ;) | |
| 12:50 | tcohen | heh, its an OpenSuSE with Xen, messing with the stats |
| 13:02 | jcamins | oleonard: cool! |
| 13:02 | oleonard: how does that work, exactly? | |
| 13:03 | Surely you don't carry the bicycle to the circ desk. | |
| 13:04 | oleonard | No, there will be a binder or clipboard or something with all the barcodes on it. |
| 13:04 | Then the staff member helps the patron get the right bike, and does a physical inspection of the bike at the same time. | |
| 13:04 | drojf | i love it! |
| 13:05 | gaetan_B | in marc21 the 260$c field (date of publication) is free text such as "April 25th, 1978" but by default it is linked to biblio.copyrightdate which is a smallint(6) |
| 13:05 | oleonard | Theoretically anyway. We'll find out tomorrow whether our procedure is right |
| 13:05 | In other news: "non-public note" isn't very nonpublic if the patron can download the MARC file. Can't put the bike lock combinations in there. | |
| 13:05 | gaetan_B | is there some magic happening in the background ? |
| 13:05 | oleonard | This is our first opportunity to actually use hourly loans, although since we don't charge fines it doesn't mean so much. |
| 13:06 | gaetan_B: Magic? | |
| 13:06 | drojf | gaetan_B: AFAIK people put only the year into that field |
| 13:06 | gaetan_B | drojf: i'm not that comfortable with marc21 but the online documentation doesn't seem to be against it |
| 13:07 | http://www.loc.gov/marc/bibliographic/bd260.html | |
| 13:07 | drojf | gaetan_B: you're right, it should be capable of dates like that |
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| 13:08 | drojf | i suppose there were no problems because people don't use such dates very often though |
| 13:08 | kf | gaetan_B: the marc will work, but it won't copy it into the bilbio* table probably |
| 13:08 | gaetan_B | it will put '0' in the database it seems |
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| 13:14 | jcamins | oleonard: checkout notes are actually private. |
| 13:14 | oleonard | jcamins: checkout notes? |
| 13:14 | wahanui | checkout notes are actually private. |
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| 13:14 | oleonard | thanks wahanui :P |
| 13:14 | jcamins | oleonard: circulation notes? |
| 13:14 | I don't remember what they're called. | |
| 13:14 | But they pop up when you check out an item. | |
| 13:15 | oleonard | Those are attached to a patron though, we need them to be associated with an item |
| 13:15 | jcamins | oleonard: I thought there were checkout notes on items. |
| 13:16 | oleonard | Not that I know of |
| 13:16 | jcamins | gaetan_B: no, no magic. 260$c should not be linked to a smallint. |
| 13:17 | oleonard: well that's unfortunate. | |
| 13:18 | And... seems problematic. | |
| 13:19 | magnuse | tcohen++ for improving the koha-* scripts! |
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| 13:32 | mib_i012qt | how to edit Shelving location |
| 13:33 | how to add more fields in the shelving location | |
| 13:33 | oleonard | mib_i012qt: Shelving location is an "authorised value" |
| 13:33 | mib_i012qt: Look in the manual for details about how to add and edit authorised values | |
| 13:34 | manual? | |
| 13:34 | wahanui | manual is at http://www.koha-community.org/documentation |
| 13:45 | kf | oleonard: he might mean $3 |
| 13:46 | oleonard: those notes pop up on checkout and checkin | |
| 13:46 | tcohen | question, is it possible to place more than one hold on a register? |
| 13:46 | (i mean, a biblio record) | |
| 13:46 | kf | oleonard: but I am not sure if you can't see them in opac |
| 13:46 | oleonard: we shoud probably fix the private note | |
| 13:47 | tcohen: hm currently notI think, there are some bugs in bugzilla about multi-record holds or similar | |
| 13:47 | tcohen | the situation is a multi-item biblio (encyclopedia) |
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| 13:56 | kf | tcohen: yep, or other multi volume thigns, serials |
| 13:56 | bug 2532 | |
| 13:57 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=2532 enhancement, P2, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Patron-requested holds limited to one item per bib. |
| 13:57 | kf | bug 7710 |
| 13:57 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7710 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, Needs Signoff , multiple holds per title |
| 13:57 | kf | maybe 7717 |
| 13:57 | bug 7717 | |
| 13:57 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7717 enhancement, P3, ---, mjr, ASSIGNED , Multiple Identical Holds |
| 14:00 | tcohen | thanks kf |
| 14:00 | looks like 7710 has a patch! | |
| 14:00 | heh | |
| 14:04 | does anyone know if rebuild_zebra.pl returns an error code if something went wrong? | |
| 14:08 | gmcharlt maybe? | |
| 14:11 | nevermind, it doesn't | |
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| 14:20 | tcohen | question: what's the expected behaviour of koha-rebuild-zebra if we use (for example) the -a parameter? |
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| 14:23 | jcamins | tcohen: it passes any arguments it doesn't recognize to rebuilc_zebra. |
| 14:23 | I think. | |
| 14:23 | tcohen | yes, but is it right? -a -b -x should abort because -a and -x are not mixable? |
| 14:24 | i was thinking of catching the -a and -b switches to make them behave like "authorities only" | |
| 14:24 | jcamins | -a and -x work together. |
| 14:24 | They have since 3.8.2. | |
| 14:25 | tcohen | oh, i guess i missed that :-D |
| 14:25 | let me put it another way | |
| 14:25 | koha-rebuild-zebra -v -a instance | |
| 14:25 | will rebuild authorities twice | |
| 14:25 | is it a problem? | |
| 14:26 | jcamins | I don't think so. |
| 14:26 | tcohen | ok, its just a weird behaviour |
| 14:26 | jcamins | I mean, it might be nice if that meant "don't do bibs," but I don't think it's important. |
| 14:26 | tcohen | is -x -a working on DOM only or is it model agnostic? |
| 14:26 | jcamins | -x -a works no matter what. |
| 14:26 | tcohen | ok |
| 14:27 | jcamins | Actually, -x -a always worked with GRS-1. |
| 14:27 | tcohen | i'm rewriting koha-rebuild-zebra |
| 14:27 | jcamins | It was just with DOM that there was a problem. |
| 14:27 | tcohen | -x -a kicked our a*s with GRS-1 a while ago |
| 14:28 | anyway, do u think a change like this it is worth now I'm rewriting this script? | |
| 14:28 | jcamins | If you're rewriting, yes! |
| 14:28 | :P | |
| 14:28 | tcohen | (I mean, its almost free if I do it now) |
| 14:28 | jcamins | No question at all, then! |
| 14:28 | tcohen | thanks |
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| 14:39 | nengard | anyone remember the bug that lists info on sorting by volume number for serials |
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| 14:55 | nengard_ | anyone know how to kick the other me from this channel? |
| 14:56 | nengard was kicked by bag: nengard | |
| 14:56 | nengard_ | hmmm |
| 14:56 | well still can't change back to me | |
| 14:56 | strange | |
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| 14:57 | nengard | there i am |
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| 15:19 | jcamins | gmcharlt: the reverts branch looks right to me. |
| 15:19 | gmcharlt | jcamins: thanks for checking |
| 15:20 | jcamins | You're welcome. I checked last night, but couldn't remember if I'd told you. |
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| 15:25 | oleonard | Last chance to lobby for your favorite string-changing patch everyone! |
| 15:26 | kf | :) |
| 15:29 | I will try to qa asap | |
| 15:35 | tcohen | magnuse: http://sna.gy/VwbMK.jpg |
| 15:41 | hmm, I like this one a bit more: http://sna.gy/hlvM3.jpg | |
| 15:42 | jcamins | tcohen: nice! |
| 15:42 | oleonard | jcamins: How does the patch for Bug 10152 affect the display of parcels when the table is sorted client-side? |
| 15:42 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10152 normal, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Needs Signoff , Default sorting wrong in parcels.pl |
| 15:43 | jcamins | oleonard: it didn't seem to me to make any difference in client-side sorting. |
| 15:43 | * oleonard | thinks that page needs the "sort by" and "results per page" options to be removed from the filter |
| 15:43 | jcamins | I would agree. |
| 15:43 | oleonard | Both are useless when the results are handled by the table sorter |
| 15:47 | jcamins | oleonard: BTW, have you noticed that the language bar in the staff client ends up offset from the bottom if you shrink the window too far? |
| 15:47 | oleonard | No |
| 15:48 | jcamins | It seems to. I didn't report a bug because I wanted to get you to confirm that it wasn't just my system, and decide whether it was a problem. |
| 15:48 | * oleonard | will test |
| 15:50 | jcamins | oleonard: http://screencast.com/t/UIM1STqdu4sD <-- that's what I see |
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| 15:51 | jcamins | I bet you'll be glad for the end of my term as RM. My rate of reporting display bugs should greatly decrease. |
| 15:51 | oleonard | Yeah I see that too |
| 15:52 | Actually I love it when people file display bugs, because I love fixing things. | |
| 15:52 | jcamins | In that case I guess you'll be sorry to see me go. |
| 15:52 | maximep | the field biblioitems.marcxml is displayed in the available fields for some notices/letters, but there's really no way to get the value of a marc field within it, right ? |
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| 15:53 | maximep | id have to do custom code to allow that ? |
| 15:55 | jcamins | maximep: that's correct. |
| 15:56 | maximep | yeah... messing with that code doesn't look like fun :/ |
| 15:57 | oleonard | Okay jcamins, I guess I don't see what your patch for 10152 is for if you can only see its effect if you have js disabled |
| 15:58 | jcamins | oleonard: because the JS uses the default sort too. |
| 15:58 | If you do not manually sort anything, it is sorted in the reverse of the order you would expect. | |
| 15:59 | oleonard | Oh so it does. I was deceived by the sorting indicator on the table header |
| 15:59 | jcamins | That first column "Line" is what it sorts on by default, and that's just the ordinal of each line. |
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| 15:59 | jcamins | Yeah, that's why I said that "Line" could probably go, but not on that bug. |
| 15:59 | reiveune | bye |
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| 16:00 | gaetan_B | something weird happened with this double notes field |
| 16:00 | biblio.notes is linked to 500a | |
| 16:01 | and i linked biblioitems.notes to 041a because it seemed to be unused and i needed easy access to the documents language | |
| 16:01 | now is i look at what i have in biblioitems.notes, its empty | |
| 16:01 | but all of them are in biblio.notes | |
| 16:03 | and if i look at a record, the information is in 041a and 500a is empty... | |
| 16:04 | jcamins | gaetan_B: sounds like Koha can't handle columns with the same name in more than one table. |
| 16:05 | kf | ew |
| 16:05 | but that might be it | |
| 16:06 | gaetan_B | ouch :( |
| 16:07 | kf | you know you can do sql on the xml too? |
| 16:07 | gaetan_B | with extract value ? |
| 16:07 | kf | yeah |
| 16:08 | gaetan_B | but jcamins explanation does seem the right one |
| 16:08 | i can make a report to get all the values in 041a without having a field in the table | |
| 16:08 | but usually they are quite slow | |
| 16:08 | and they will use this report a lot | |
| 16:09 | * gaetan_B | is back on the quest for a recycleworthy database field |
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| 16:30 | gaetan_B | bye #koha! |
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| 16:55 | magnuse | tcohen++ |
| 16:55 | tcohen | dou like it? |
| 16:55 | magnuse | oh yes, that looks awesome! |
| 16:56 | * magnuse | takes the dogs for a walk |
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| 18:00 | oleonard | Oh no I missed so much while I was gone. |
| 18:02 | tcohen | oh, finally got mutually exclusive switches being removed working!!!! |
| 18:03 | bgkriegel | :) |
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| 18:03 | tcohen | ;) |
| 18:04 | Topic for #koha is now Welcome to #koha this channel is for discussion of the Koha project and software http://koha-community.org. Next general IRC meeting 7 May 2013 at 02:00 UTC | |
| 18:04 | tcohen | bgkriegel: do u remember of a bash command to convert a phrase into multiline using spaces as separators? |
| 18:05 | bgkriegel | for i in $line; do echo $i; done...? |
| 18:06 | i think it does automatic split on spaces | |
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| 18:46 | druthb | wahoo! The book *finally* got published! http://www.igi-global.com/book[…]c-libraries/72362 |
| 18:48 | oleonard | finally? |
| 18:48 | druthb | I sent in my chapter a *year ago* |
| 18:49 | In fact, as I recall, it was due in a year ago today. | |
| 18:49 | poky slow editors (not nengard…she was quick!) | |
| 18:50 | oleonard | I hope your chapter was about sexy android librarians druthb |
| 18:51 | druthb | :P |
| 18:51 | silly oleonard! | |
| 18:51 | it was about something even sexier…Koha migrations! | |
| 18:52 | bgkriegel | Who Ever Said that ILS Migrations Had to be Stressful?, no sexy androids... |
| 18:55 | oleonard | Too little research is being done in the area of sexy android librarians. |
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| 19:02 | nengard | oh boy |
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| 19:10 | tcohen | C'mon, that Paul seems a good guy after all :-P |
| 19:13 | bgkriegel | an example of persistence :P |
| 19:14 | tcohen | Cuack, good one bgkriegel |
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| 19:19 | tcohen_ | @later tell marcelr let me know if you need anything else to get bug 10084 pass QA |
| 19:19 | huginn` | tcohen_: The operation succeeded. |
| 19:23 | oleonard | melia around? |
| 19:23 | melia | yep |
| 19:23 | hi Owen :) | |
| 19:24 | oleonard | What is Bug 9852 about? I'm confused, since Koha doesn't have any ILL-specific functionality |
| 19:24 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9852 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , my ILL requests |
| 19:26 | melia | it's not a bug. it's a library requesting that we create some ILL specific functionality in Koha. they are not sponsoring development but asked me to send their idea out to the community, so I copy/pasted their idea into an enhancement request. |
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| 19:27 | melia | it doesn't really require any action. (unless someone just feels like adding ILL stuff to Koha) |
| 19:27 | oleonard | Okay thanks |
| 19:27 | melia | np |
| 19:28 | koala | I am new to koha and I cannot see 245 subfield b displayed in normal view though I can see it in Marc view. Is there something I should do first. I have checked bib framework for 245. |
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| 19:29 | magnuse | melia: ptfs europe are working on ill stuff |
| 19:29 | oleonard | koala: Sounds like you need to set up "Keywords to MARC mapping" http://manual.koha-community.o[…]/en/catadmin.html |
| 19:30 | melia | oh good, magnuse! |
| 19:30 | oleonard | koala: Map field name "subtitle" to MARC field 245 and MARC subfield b |
| 19:30 | Sorry I didn't mean to give you the 3.6 manual, but it's basically the same | |
| 19:37 | mtj secretly heads a ring of stealth Koha upgraders | |
| 19:39 | mtj | man, that thread must be the silliest in koha history |
| 19:40 | koala | I added subtitle and MARC field 245 and subfield be and it is set on default. Still not able to see subtitle in normal view. Do I need to change default framework? |
| 19:41 | oleonard | koala: Did you make a change under "Keywords to MARC mapping" ? |
| 19:42 | koala: And do you use frameworks other than the default framework? | |
| 19:43 | bgkriegel | koala: opac or staff view? |
| 19:43 | koala | yes I made a change under keywords to MARC mapping. I have only used Bibliographic framework to add subfields. |
| 19:44 | I am not able to see sufield b in Normal view but I can see it in MARC view. | |
| 19:50 | <bgkriege: not able to see it in staff view | |
| 19:52 | rangi | try switching on xslt |
| 19:52 | morning all | |
| 19:54 | bgkriegel | koala: try setting system preferences XSLTDetailsDisplay and XSLTResultsDisplay to 'default' |
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| 19:58 | bgkriegel | morning rangi |
| 20:01 | koala | bgkriege: thanks. worked a treat |
| 20:03 | bgkriegel | :) |
| 20:03 | oleonard | Hm... Yeah, Keyword to MARC mapping works for me whether XSLT is on or not. |
| 20:16 | Bye #koha | |
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| 20:20 | rangi | lending bicycles is such a good idea |
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| 20:30 | tcohen | ok rangi, associative arrays as references in bash |
| 20:30 | is it possible? | |
| 20:30 | heh | |
| 20:31 | rangi | perhaps, but i wouldn't ;-) |
| 20:31 | tcohen | there's no other way for the bash-completion stuff |
| 20:32 | * rangi | uses zsh |
| 20:32 | rangi | you're on your own |
| 20:32 | :) | |
| 20:32 | tcohen | :-P |
| 20:33 | rangi | i wonder if ther eis a #bash on oftc |
| 20:34 | tcohen | i think i finally got it |
| 20:36 | bgkriegel | tcohen: declare -A test; test[1,1]=A; test[1,2]=B; echo ${test[1,2]} |
| 20:36 | tcohen | yeah bgkriegel, the tricky part was recovering the parameter as an associative array |
| 20:37 | i'm about to paste it | |
| 20:37 | just a sec | |
| 20:40 | pastebot | "tcohen" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "assoc array ref as parameter in bash" (21 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/487 |
| 20:42 | tcohen | i think it will get too messy bgkriegel, because bash doesn't like a dash in the index name |
| 20:42 | bgkriegel | yeap |
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| 20:51 | tcohen | hmm, dash in the keys work, but we loose the keys themselves |
| 20:52 | wizzyrea | is there a reason that the item private note isn't shown anywhere? |
| 20:53 | also someone mentioned to me recently that they want to attach messages to issues (example: adding an ILL number to an issue that would be displayed on return) | |
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| 21:45 | wizzyrea | whoa when did we get per patron category lost item hiding, that's pretty sweet. |
| 21:46 | rangi | i think there is a bug for that private note thing too |
| 21:47 | cait | wizzyrea: i think that's for staff... i was always a bit confused by it |
| 21:47 | bag | oh wizzyrea iirc nelsonville did that development |
| 21:47 | for the intranet view | |
| 21:47 | rangi | so they could lend bikes |
| 21:48 | wizzyrea | did what development - the per patron category lost item hiding? |
| 21:48 | or the private note thing | |
| 21:48 | bag | the lost item thing |
| 21:49 | wizzyrea | well I like it |
| 21:49 | acpl++ | |
| 21:51 | cait | wizzyrea: what will you use it for? |
| 21:52 | wizzyrea | me personally? nothing. |
| 21:52 | but I know people who will like it | |
| 21:53 | for example, if you don't care to show lost items to other libraries who are logged into your system. | |
| 21:53 | so they don't try to request them. | |
| 21:54 | that's only the first (probably bad) example I could come up with | |
| 21:54 | or you don't want to show lost items to logged in kids. | |
| 21:54 | idk. Publics have crazy ideas sometimes :) | |
| 21:57 | rangi | i think its staff side only? |
| 21:57 | or is it OPAC too? | |
| 21:57 | cait | the docs says staff |
| 21:58 | wizzyrea | either way, I still think it's neat. |
| 21:58 | * wizzyrea | likes little feature surprises. |
| 21:59 | cait | hm and libraries here would never log into our system (staff side) noone outside the library would, so that's why I am puzzled by it :) |
| 21:59 | maybe I should ask oleonard :) | |
| 22:03 | someone around for a sign-off maybe? | |
| 22:04 | wizzyrea | which bug? |
| 22:05 | cait | let me find it |
| 22:05 | 10145 | |
| 22:06 | it's a display problem for the new feature | |
| 22:06 | wizzyrea | bug 10145 |
| 22:06 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10145 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , The acquisition details block is badly placed |
| 22:06 | cait | you will see it when you have a subscription and have created an order for it from acq... which is why I think it will be hard to find someone to test :) |
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| 22:20 | rangi | zomg |
| 22:20 | wizzyrea | ? |
| 22:20 | rangi | the thread of magic upgrade continues |
| 22:21 | bag | heh |
| 22:21 | mtj | fuck me... |
| 22:21 | rangi | its annoying because you cant leave his FUD as the last word |
| 22:21 | mtj | slowly |
| 22:21 | rangi | in case someone believes it |
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| 22:23 | mtj | yeah, i really want to spot responding to him :/ |
| 22:23 | rangi | im done |
| 22:23 | thats my last one | |
| 22:23 | cjh | wow, still going. |
| 22:24 | rangi | its the refusal to admit he may have made a mistake, the common thing in every one of his mail threads |
| 22:24 | means they never end | |
| 22:24 | wizzyrea | stubbornness can be such a curse. |
| 22:24 | ask me how I know. | |
| 22:24 | >.> | |
| 22:24 | <.< | |
| 22:25 | mtj | see, he cant have even accidentailly untarred a 3.8.10 over his koha dir |
| 22:26 | cjh | even if he didnt enter his db password, he still must have copied the codebase to /usr/share/koha or whever he is running it from. The koha web installer won't go looking for it. |
| 22:26 | mtj | .. he would have have to manually run the all the 'make; make upgrade;' stuff too? |
| 22:26 | eythian | hi |
| 22:27 | cait | hi eythian |
| 22:28 | BobB | hi all |
| 22:29 | cait | hi BobB |
| 22:29 | rangi | yep |
| 22:29 | BobB | busy day in prospect .. |
| 22:29 | mtj | rangi++ for that email |
| 22:29 | cjh | rangi++ good closing email |
| 22:29 | mtj | heya BobB |
| 22:30 | cjh | mtj++ |
| 22:30 | jcamins++ | |
| 22:31 | mtj | i feel like my brain is oozing out of my ears |
| 22:31 | cjh | mtj: you should probably get that looked at. |
| 22:31 | * cait | nods |
| 22:32 | BobB | lol cjh |
| 22:32 | yeah, good last email by rangi | |
| 22:39 | mtj | quote get 244 |
| 22:39 | @quote get 244 | |
| 22:39 | huginn` | mtj: Quote #244: "'If you really didn't do it yourself, then yes, the only other conclusion is you were/are hacked by someone who likes to upgrade Koha'" (added by mtj at 10:37 PM, April 30, 2013) |
| 22:39 | cjh | heh |
| 22:39 | mtj | there we go... |
| 22:40 | eythian | we need more hackers who go around upgrading systems |
| 22:40 | cjh | someone breaks into the box every week or so and busily runs through apt-get upgrade |
| 22:40 | that doesnt sound half bad actually. | |
| 22:40 | cait | ok, people |
| 22:40 | I am going to sleep | |
| 22:41 | eythian | it's only 00:40 though. |
| 22:41 | cait | if yu want any string patches in 3.12... tomorrow morning is the last chance for qa |
| 22:41 | so... for example bug 10145... | |
| 22:41 | huginn` | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10145 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Needs Signoff , The acquisition details block is badly placed |
| 22:41 | cjh | cait: night :) |
| 22:41 | eythian | later cait |
| 22:42 | mtj: thanks for checking out those patches btw. I've been too busy to look at much of anything for the past couple of weeks. | |
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| 22:45 | mtj | no probs |
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| 23:12 | jcamins | wtf? |
| 23:12 | rangi | heh |
| 23:12 | jcamins | WHY?? |
| 23:16 | gmcharlt | sekjal++ |
| 23:21 | jcamins | I will be soooo glad when I'm done being RM. |
| 23:21 | I can set koha-devel NOMAIL. | |
| 23:22 | Our signal-to-noise ratio is wayyyy down from what it was when I first started following it. | |
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| 23:34 | jcamins | Ah- an important announcement regarding string freeze: due to my schedule tomorrow, I will probably not be pushing the last string changes until tomorrow *night* (my time). This in no way impacts the eligibility of patches that pass QA prior to 6am to get in. |
| 23:35 | @later tell kf An important announcement regarding string freeze: due to my schedule tomorrow, I will probably not be pushing the last string changes until tomorrow *night* (my time). This in no way impacts the eligibility of patches that pass QA prior to 6am to get in. | |
| 23:35 | huginn` | jcamins: The operation succeeded. |
| 23:49 | dcook | acpl++ |
| 23:50 | http://www.myacpl.org/bikes | |
| 23:50 | "Children ages 0 to 11 must have a parent or guardian present to borrow equipment." | |
| 23:50 | Trying to imagine a baby on some of the bikes for which they've posted photos | |
| 23:50 | eythian | jcamins: maybe we just need people to be a bit more active about keeping it on-topic. |
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