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Time | Nick | Message |
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00:00 | dcook | It sure is a mouthful |
00:00 | I'm thinking it might work... | |
00:00 | I'm looking at a BibLibre sandbox and not noticing the 942/999 subfields I usually do in Koha | |
00:00 | They look like they're using the control field 001 for their bib number though :D | |
00:02 | Hmm the 090 too.. | |
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00:03 | dcook | I suppose if you have your Koha to MARC Mapping set up, you wouldn't need a 999 |
00:03 | * dcook | starts to wonder if a 999 thing is a stock Koha thing or a Prosentient thing |
00:07 | eythian | it's stock |
00:07 | 999$c and $d | |
00:07 | dcook | That's what I was thinking.. |
00:08 | rangi | dcook: you sure its not UNIMARC |
00:08 | dcook | rangi: I know it's UNIMARC :P |
00:08 | I'm just trying to wrap my head around how Koha and UNIMARC work together | |
00:09 | I'm looking at an old Koha 3.0-ish UNIMARC dataset which is...confusing | |
00:09 | eythian | welcome to *MARC* |
00:09 | dcook | 990 instead of 942, 995 instead of 952 |
00:09 | eythian | (that's a glob not emphasis) |
00:10 | dcook | 999a/999(9) instead of 999c/d for the bib/bibitemnumber |
00:10 | eythian: hehe | |
00:11 | While the Koha to MARC mapping seems to work for populating MySQL fields from the MARC (I assume, haven't really checked) | |
00:11 | I'm trying to remember if there are hard-coded references to 942/952/999 in the Koha code | |
00:12 | wizzyrea | @later tell jcamins I bet these would be amazing cupcakes: http://www.thetarttart.com/201[…]uinness-cupcakes/ - could be the koha official cupcake! |
00:12 | huginn | wizzyrea: The operation succeeded. |
00:20 | dcook | Hmm.. |
00:23 | A person could change where the bibnumber and biblionumber are stored by changing the Koha to MARC mappings, then running touch_all_biblios, yes? | |
00:24 | bibnumber EQ biblionumber, biblionumber EQ biblioitemnumber | |
00:27 | Hmm, perhaps not | |
00:28 | _koha_marc_update_bib_ids seems to use the same MARC tag...so you'd wind up with duplicated fields most likely.. | |
00:35 | jcamins | wizzyrea: interesting. |
00:35 | wahanui | hmmm... interesting is sometimes good and sometimes bad |
00:35 | jcamins | I feel like a Guinness is the wrong beer for it, though. |
00:36 | I'd want to use a pumpkin stout or the like. | |
00:38 | Something with a bit more character. | |
00:38 | Or a chocolate stout for double chocolate awesomeness. | |
00:39 | Wow. | |
00:39 | That's kind of impressive. | |
00:39 | (M:M:F:UnimarcToMarc21) | |
00:43 | dcook | Mhm |
00:44 | I think it's incomplete though.. | |
00:44 | And I'm not 100% sure how it works...but seems pretty impressive to me | |
00:45 | jcamins | I'm sure it's incomplete. The correspondence between the two formats is very weak. |
00:49 | dcook | Agreed. RDA is no help there. I'm sure Unimarc has other factors pulling it even farther away as well |
01:34 | Hmm...database is mostly Unimarc but has some Marc21 in it.. | |
01:34 | That's...special. | |
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02:11 | mtompset | Greetings, #koha. |
02:12 | dcook | hey ya, mtompset |
02:12 | mtompset | Greetings, dcook. |
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02:53 | * dcook | realizes now there is a reason why people don't readily convert UNIMARC to MARC21 |
02:53 | dcook | As jcamins mentioned, the correspondence is oh so very weak |
02:54 | It's like taking two Rubik's cubes and trying to switch the stickers. Chances are it's going to be a mess... | |
02:54 | * wizzyrea | doesn't get it |
02:54 | wizzyrea | if you're going to go to the effort of taking the stickers off... why wouldn't you put them back in their finished state? |
02:55 | on the other cube. | |
02:55 | cjh | wizzyrea++ |
02:55 | asking the important questions. | |
02:55 | wizzyrea | also making myself laugh. |
02:56 | dcook: mind you i'm not nullifying the essence of your complaint | |
02:57 | dcook | hehe |
02:57 | I didn't think you were | |
02:57 | That's what I'm trying to do, but the stickers aren't sticky after you take them off the first cube | |
02:57 | cjh | oooohhhh |
02:57 | wizzyrea | nothing a little spray adhesive can't cure! |
02:57 | ^.^ | |
02:57 | dcook | hehe |
02:58 | That's where the PHP comes in | |
02:58 | Not pretty either :p | |
02:58 | cjh | that would end well, a permanently solved cube :) |
02:58 | wizzyrea | rather, to use a kansas colloquialism, there's nothing brute force and ignorance can't achieve. |
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02:58 | cjh | wizzyrea: kansas city motto? |
02:58 | * cjh | ducks |
02:58 | wizzyrea | no actually |
02:59 | but | |
02:59 | the state motto *is* | |
02:59 | Ad Astra per Aspera | |
02:59 | or | |
02:59 | "To the stars, through difficulty" | |
02:59 | cjh | heh |
02:59 | wizzyrea | doing it the hard way, every kansan's birthright. |
02:59 | dcook | hehe |
02:59 | Brute force and ignorance...that's what it could certainly turn into | |
03:00 | wizzyrea | and if brute force and ignorance don't do it, then you get out the duct tape and baling wire. |
03:00 | dcook | Although...I have to say that the Library of Congress's spec on converting UNIMARC to MARC21 is top-notch |
03:00 | baling wire? | |
03:00 | You don't use twine there? | |
03:00 | cjh | wizzyrea: wd40, surely |
03:00 | wizzyrea | I'm sure you could use either |
03:01 | wd40 doesn't hurt either. | |
03:01 | but only if the bolts are stuck. | |
03:01 | * dcook | thinks bolts are indicators and wd40 is... |
03:01 | dcook | Darned metaphors.. |
03:04 | Did I say LoC's spec was top-notch? | |
03:04 | trea | hey edveal can you check something |
03:04 | dcook | I meant extraordinarily complicated and difficult to follow |
03:05 | edveal | tree sure can |
03:09 | * dcook | plots |
03:10 | dcook | Actually, maybe this isn't that bad |
03:10 | The "major" fields map over quite easily...besides punctuation, but you can always do punctuation after... | |
03:11 | * dcook | has been thinking about creating a "AACR2 punctuation" script, so could always do a "whatever descriptive scheme punctuation Unimarc uses" script... |
03:11 | dcook | Yes, I have an English BA...can you tell? |
03:52 | rgbv | I've got a bunch of analytic records for articles that I've added, but I want them to be sortable by publication date that in 045$a and 773$g, anyone got any ideas about how to achieve this? |
03:59 | druthb | o/ |
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04:20 | cait | morning #koha |
04:21 | eythian | hello cait |
04:21 | wahanui | hello cait are you here? |
04:22 | eythian | wahanui: around the world is <reply>Around the world. |
04:22 | wahanui | OK, eythian. |
04:22 | * eythian | teaches wahanui daft punk songs |
04:22 | mtompset | around the world? |
04:22 | wahanui | Around the world. |
04:22 | * wizzyrea | waits for him to do harder faster better stronger |
04:23 | wizzyrea | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gAjR4_CbPpQ |
04:24 | because I know you needed this | |
04:25 | trea | heh |
04:25 | mtompset | Have a great day (24 hour period), everyone. |
04:25 | wizzyrea | later mtompset |
04:27 | eythian | wizzyrea: already should do. |
04:27 | work it | |
04:27 | work it? | |
04:27 | wahanui | make it |
04:27 | eythian | do it? |
04:27 | wahanui | makes us |
04:27 | eythian | harder? |
04:27 | wahanui | better |
04:27 | eythian | faster? |
04:27 | wahanui | stronger |
04:27 | wizzyrea | oh that's awesome |
04:28 | cait | :) |
04:28 | wizzyrea | eythian++ |
04:30 | eythian | wahanui: applause |
04:30 | * wahanui | takes a bow. |
04:30 | dcook | eythian++ |
04:31 | wahanui++ | |
04:31 | @karma wahanui | |
04:31 | huginn | dcook: Karma for "wahanui" has been increased 17 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 17. |
04:31 | eythian | wahanui: status |
04:31 | wahanui | Since Fri Mar 22 01:54:09 2013, there have been 1142 modifications and 334 questions. I have been awake for 33 days, 2 hours, 37 minutes, 8 seconds this session, and currently reference 28000 factoids. Addressing is in optional mode. |
04:31 | dcook | Barely anything for such a hard working...entity |
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05:08 | jenkins_koha | Starting build #97 for job Koha_3.10.x (previous build: SUCCESS) |
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05:33 | drojf | rangi++ # more koha \o/ |
05:33 | also, good morning #koha | |
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05:33 | amitgupta_ | hi all |
05:33 | hi all | |
05:34 | cait around? | |
05:40 | * magnuse | waves |
05:41 | drojf | hei magnuse |
05:42 | amitgupta_ | hi magnuse |
05:46 | magnuse | hiya drojf and amitgupta_ |
05:50 | jenkins_koha | Project Koha_3.10.x build #97: SUCCESS in 42 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]b/Koha_3.10.x/97/ |
05:50 | D Ruth Bavousett: Language update for 3.10.5 | |
05:51 | Starting build #302 for job Koha_3.8.x (previous build: SUCCESS) | |
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06:29 | jenkins_koha | Project Koha_3.8.x build #302: SUCCESS in 38 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]b/Koha_3.8.x/302/ |
06:29 | D Ruth Bavousett: Language updates for 3.8.12 | |
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06:30 | christophe_c | hello #koha |
06:30 | rangi | hi christophe_c |
06:31 | christophe_c | hello rangi |
06:31 | trea joined #koha | |
06:32 | alex_a | bonjour |
06:32 | rangi | hi alex_a |
06:32 | alex_a | hi rangi |
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06:41 | alohabot | Hi mib_cgsqw4, Welcome to #koha. Feel free to use the '/nick yourname' command to choose a different name. alohabot, wahanui, and huginn are bots. If you need any help, just ask - there's usually someone around to help :) |
06:42 | drojf | has anymib ever followed the nick changing part? |
06:42 | mib_cgsqw4 | hi, is there a risk if i don't create basket group for my baskets? |
06:42 | rangi | a couple of people |
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06:44 | reiveune | hello |
06:44 | wahanui | hey, reiveune |
06:44 | drojf | hi rangi |
06:45 | rangi: geeksphone finally opened the shop. and it crashed. and they closed it after a few hours because they were sold out :D | |
06:45 | i hope they remembered to send some phones to mozilla… | |
06:47 | eythian | Ours are apparently already at Mozilla somewhere. |
06:48 | drojf | how do you know? |
06:48 | eythian | I know someone at Mozilla :) |
06:48 | drojf | ah. excellent :) my last update from mozilla was more confusing than anything |
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06:50 | eythian | Yeah, they took longer to produce than expected I think. |
06:51 | rangi | yay! |
06:51 | drojf | yes. no problem at all, besides the non-existing information politics of geeksphone, which is not mozilla's fault. but my last mail from mozilla from first week of april said "about two weeks and we will have the phones first week of april" which did not make any sense :D |
06:54 | eythian | heh |
06:58 | magnuse | stop making sense! |
07:00 | eythian: any idea when you will do packages for 3.10.5? | |
07:00 | eythian | dpkg-source: info: building koha in koha_3.08.12-1.tar.gz |
07:01 | sometime after that one :) | |
07:01 | magnuse | hehe, nice |
07:02 | * magnuse | warns his customers about the upcoming upgrade |
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07:03 | cjh | \o/ |
07:03 | magnuse | \o/ |
07:09 | mtj | drojf, i secrectly consider alohabot's suggestion as a type of IQ test :p |
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07:13 | eythian | magnuse: dpkg-source: info: building koha in koha_3.10.05-1.tar.gz |
07:14 | rangi | yay! |
07:14 | gaetan_B | hello |
07:14 | rangi | hi gaetan_B |
07:14 | and francharb | |
07:14 | wahanui | francharb falls asleep easily at sea. Don't believe me? Just ask Brooke. |
07:14 | francharb | hi rangi ! |
07:14 | gaetan_B | hi :) |
07:15 | magnuse | eythian: w00t! :-) |
07:17 | mtj | rangi++ eythian++ !! |
07:17 | drojf | mtj: lol |
07:17 | eythian++ # packages \o/ | |
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07:22 | huginn | GERMS!!!! |
07:22 | wahanui | germs is http://i.imgur.com/5UfhT.jpg |
07:22 | kf | heh |
07:22 | good morning #koha | |
07:22 | eythian | hi kf |
07:22 | hey everybody, new packages published just now. | |
07:22 | kf | eythian++ :) |
07:22 | rangi++ | |
07:23 | dcook | eythian++ |
07:24 | rangi | excellent |
07:24 | drojf | w00t |
07:24 | rangi | eythian: did you want to do a quick reply to my mail saying packages are updated? |
07:24 | eythian | yeah sure |
07:24 | rangi | thanks |
07:25 | eythian | done |
07:25 | * eythian | makes like a tree and gets outta here |
07:28 | rangi | :) |
07:28 | cya friday | |
07:31 | magnuse | eythian++ |
07:34 | cjh | eythian++ # awesome work on the packages |
07:37 | dcook | hehe |
07:37 | ta eythian | |
07:38 | * dcook | is half tempted to try out the new packages tonight... |
07:38 | jenkins_koha | Starting build #98 for job Koha_3.10.x (previous build: SUCCESS) |
07:43 | dcook | wizzyrea: The adhesive spray worked ;) |
07:43 | Hmm | |
07:44 | Just a little bit more work on some mappings and some extra conditions...maybe some punctuation changes...and I'll have a "functional" UNIMARC -> MARC21 script | |
07:45 | kf | dcook: hm maybe take a look at marcel's sru work |
07:45 | there was a crosswalk from marc21 > unimarc and back made with xslt I think | |
07:45 | * dcook | perks up |
07:45 | dcook | I'm intrigued |
07:45 | kf | it worked pretty nicely for me, but there wree some problems with unimarc installations so it got stuck |
07:46 | dcook | Although after slaving away for a little while, I think there are some tags which are almost impossible to migrate perfectly |
07:46 | kf | bug 6536 |
07:46 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6536 enhancement, P3, ---, m.de.rooy, ASSIGNED , Z3950 Enhancements: SRU targets, MARC conversion, additional XSLT processing |
07:46 | kf | it's probably not very complete, but the idea is intriguing |
07:46 | I think he wanted to break it up into different patches when there is some time | |
07:48 | dcook | Hmm intriguing...thanks, kf :) |
07:49 | * magnuse | wonders if we should have an official plugin repository, with a qa process etc |
07:49 | rangi | bags not being in charge of that |
07:49 | magnuse | hehe |
07:50 | rangi | id be happier saying use these at your own risk |
07:50 | in big letters | |
07:50 | and dont ask us if you have problems, ask the author of the plugin | |
07:50 | magnuse | yeah, that is another option :-) |
07:50 | good point | |
07:51 | dcook | Agreed with rangi |
07:51 | I think that's usually how it's done, no? | |
07:51 | Plus, we already have quite a bit of work, no? ;) | |
07:51 | * dcook | looks at the bugs to be signed off |
07:51 | dcook | Back up to 28? It was almost into the teens.. |
07:51 | magnuse | yeah, too much work to do... |
07:51 | * kf | looks at the bugs to be QA'd |
07:51 | kf | i think the question is |
07:51 | if some of the plugins would make sense as core features | |
07:52 | and leave the plugins to really specific things | |
07:52 | * magnuse | hopes someone with unimarc knowledge will have some time to do sign offs soon... |
07:52 | amitgupta_ | heya kf |
07:52 | rangi | yeah im kinda stuck ive signed off about all i can but there are a ton of unimarc ones |
07:52 | magnuse | rangi++ |
07:53 | kf | hm maybe mailing list? |
07:53 | dcook | Hmm, good question about what Marcel has written here: http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Z3950_RFC |
07:53 | Currently, there is no XSL that handles UNIMARC -> MARC21 or MARC21 -> UNIMARC conversions in Koha, right? | |
07:53 | magnuse | rangi: you could have a look at bug 9804 if yo uare bored ;-) |
07:53 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9804 trivial, P5 - low, ---, magnus, Needs Signoff , Fix name for NORMARC biblio-koha-indexdefs.xml |
07:53 | dcook | I assume BibLibre has their MARC21 -> UNIMARC XSLT in their repo |
07:54 | rangi: I know what you mean. I've had a few chances over the past week or two to do some bug busting, but so many unimarc ones :/ | |
07:54 | rangi++ | |
07:54 | Awesome efforts though :D | |
07:54 | kf | extra cookies for someone making a list of problematic things that needs testing by a unimarcuser? :) |
07:55 | rangi | ill have a look magnuse |
07:55 | drojf | extra cookies for someone learning unimarc to test all the stuff ;) |
07:56 | rangi | we should use more marc |
07:56 | wahanui | http://02varvara.files.wordpre[…]no-bear.jpg?w=800 |
07:56 | rangi | thats my answer to that idea drojf |
07:56 | drojf | :) |
07:56 | dcook | hehe |
07:57 | drojf | we need a "how about yes"-bear called marc |
07:57 | magnuse | hehe |
07:57 | drojf: noooo... | |
07:59 | dcook | While I've found my 2 day experience with unimarc to be...interesting...I'm not sure I'd want to learn the whole encoding ;) |
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08:01 | rangi | RDA |
08:01 | RDA? | |
08:01 | * wahanui | huh, good god y'all, what is it good for, absolutely nothing |
08:02 | drojf | lol |
08:02 | rangi | my work here is done |
08:02 | wahanui | i already had it that way, rangi. |
08:02 | kf | :) |
08:03 | dcook | lol |
08:06 | rangi | i did training with 4 senior librarians yesterday, 2 of whom had been to RDA training, they had no idea what use it was either |
08:06 | cjh | heh |
08:06 | magnuse | hehe, that is good to hear ;-) |
08:07 | dcook | I got training from an RDA instructor who pretty much just repeated whatever they had said if you asked them a question they couldn't answer |
08:07 | We heard the same thing over and over again a lot... | |
08:08 | It'll be better! Be...because! | |
08:09 | magnuse | hehe |
08:10 | rangi | there we go, that was an easy signoff |
08:12 | drojf | rangi: if you are looking for a less easy signoff i could offer you bug 9972 ;) |
08:12 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9972 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, mirko, Needs Signoff , Add/ change some zebra indexes (MARC21) (GRS1+DOM) |
08:13 | * drojf | leaves for non-koha work |
08:13 | drojf | later |
08:16 | magnuse | thanks rangi - not a very inetersting bug, but consistency is good, i guess :-) |
08:19 | jenkins_koha | Project Koha_3.10.x build #98: SUCCESS in 41 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]b/Koha_3.10.x/98/ |
08:19 | * Jonathan Druart: Bug 7358: reaffect a closed basket to a closed basketgroup | |
08:19 | * Jared Camins-Esakov: Bug 9049: Don't use shadow with rebuild_zebra -r | |
08:19 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7358 normal, P3, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Stable , basket.pl : it is possible to affect a closed basket to a closed basketgroup |
08:19 | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9049 normal, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Pushed to Stable , rebuild_zebra should not use shadow when called with -r | |
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08:37 | jenkins_koha | Starting build #99 for job Koha_3.10.x (previous build: SUCCESS) |
09:16 | rangi | magnuse: would you like bug 9213 in 3.10.x ? |
09:16 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9213 normal, P5 - low, ---, magnus, Pushed to Master , Implement analytics for NORMARC XSLT |
09:17 | magnuse | rangi: sure, if it applies |
09:19 | jenkins_koha | Project Koha_3.10.x build #99: SUCCESS in 41 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]b/Koha_3.10.x/99/ |
09:19 | * Adrien Saurat: Bug 9330: title field empty when duplicating a patron | |
09:19 | * Galen Charlton: Bug 9556: fix setting messaging prefs when changing patron category | |
09:19 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9330 trivial, P5 - low, ---, adrien.saurat, Pushed to Stable , Patron duplication : should duplicate with empty title (salutation field) |
09:19 | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9556 normal, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Pushed to Stable , Changing patron category does not fully update patron messaging preferences | |
09:19 | jenkins_koha | Starting build #100 for job Koha_3.10.x (previous build: SUCCESS) |
09:21 | rangi | there we go |
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09:29 | amitgupta_ | bug 10013 |
09:29 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10013 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, amit.gupta, Needs Signoff , Ability to link directly from an item in the Staff client to budget information. |
09:31 | magnuse | thanks rangi |
09:40 | rangi | *sigh* |
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09:59 | jenkins_koha | Project Koha_3.10.x build #100: SUCCESS in 40 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]/Koha_3.10.x/100/ |
09:59 | * Fridolyn SOMERS: Bug 9392: confirmation does not appear for negative notforloan items issues | |
09:59 | * Kyle M Hall: Bug 5790 - Prevent deletion of records with holds | |
09:59 | * Kyle M Hall: Bug 5790 - Prevent deletion of records with holds - QA Followup | |
09:59 | * Owen Leonard: Bug 9608 - White background on header on check in | |
09:59 | * Chris Cormack: Bug 9555: Another template contains single quotes in a js string | |
09:59 | * Robin Sheat: Bug 9035 - delete bulkauthimport.pl | |
09:59 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9392 major, P5 - low, ---, fridolyn.somers, Pushed to Stable , confirmation does not appear for negative notforloan items issues |
09:59 | jenkins_koha | * Julian Maurice: Bug 9019: Return item fields in ILS-DI GetRecords |
09:59 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5790 normal, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Pushed to Stable , Deleting a biblio should alert/fail if there are existent holds |
09:59 | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9608 minor, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Stable , white background on header on check in | |
09:59 | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9555 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Stable , Template files contain single quote strings | |
09:59 | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9035 trivial, P5 - low, ---, robin, Pushed to Stable , remove deprecated 'bulkauthimport.pl' file | |
09:59 | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9019 minor, P5 - low, ---, julian.maurice, Pushed to Stable , ILS-DI: GetRecords should return item fields in marcxml | |
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10:37 | Julian Maurice: Bug 9019: Return item fields in ILS-DI GetRecords | |
10:37 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9019 minor, P5 - low, ---, julian.maurice, Pushed to Stable , ILS-DI: GetRecords should return item fields in marcxml |
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11:20 | * Magnus Enger: Bug 9213 - Implement analytics for NORMARC XSLT | |
11:20 | * Adrien Saurat: Bug 7241: circulation action logs record biblionumber instead of item number | |
11:20 | * Adrien Saurat: Bug 7241 follow-up: DB changes | |
11:20 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9213 normal, P5 - low, ---, magnus, Pushed to Stable , Implement analytics for NORMARC XSLT |
11:20 | jenkins_koha | * Adrien Saurat: Bug 7241, follow-up: viewlog link for circulation |
11:20 | * Fridolyn SOMERS: Bug 9759: last subfield can be deleted | |
11:20 | * Fridolyn SOMERS: Bug 9720 : uninitialized value warnings in circulation | |
11:20 | * Fridolyn SOMERS: Bug 9720 : uninitialized value warnings in circulation (followup 1) | |
11:20 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7241 normal, P5 - low, ---, adrien.saurat, Pushed to Stable , circulation action logs record biblionumber instead of item number |
11:20 | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9759 minor, P5 - low, ---, fridolyn.somers, Pushed to Stable , last subfield can be deleted | |
11:20 | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9720 minor, P5 - low, ---, fridolyn.somers, Pushed to Stable , uninitialized value warnings in circulation | |
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11:41 | amitgupta_ | heya NateC |
11:42 | NateC | Hiya amitgupta_ |
12:07 | kf | hi matts |
12:07 | matts | hi ! |
12:07 | kf | :) |
12:10 | amitgupta_ | heya kf, matts |
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12:15 | * drojf | yawns |
12:16 | oleonard | Post-lunch nap drojf? |
12:16 | drojf | oh that would be great :D |
12:17 | right under the desk | |
12:17 | jcamins | Guys, there was nothing in the PQA queue two days ago. |
12:18 | This is getting absurd. | |
12:18 | :P | |
12:18 | drojf | jcamins: QA ist too strict? :P |
12:18 | jcamins | Actually, I was thinking that QA was too busy. |
12:20 | drojf | ah, there is a lot now, but there was nothing two days ago. sorry, slow brain. as usual ;) |
12:21 | jcamins | Probably your brain was overwhelmed by patches. |
12:21 | Hey, has anyone else noticed that the PDF generation in acquisitions is dreadful? | |
12:21 | drojf | right now my brain is overwhelmed by the stupidity of filemaker |
12:21 | jcamins | Ooh, that'll do it. |
12:22 | oleonard | jcamins: I try to stay away from PDF generation everywhere |
12:22 | jcamins | Wise. |
12:22 | drojf | i can hear my brain cells killing themselves. i imagine them like in the old lemmings pc game, happily jumping off a cliff one after the other |
12:23 | @seen mveron | |
12:23 | huginn | drojf: mveron was last seen in #koha 5 days, 6 hours, 18 minutes, and 24 seconds ago: <mveron> cait ++ |
12:25 | drojf | i think mveron works with pdf somethings when he is not doing koha. don't know if generation is a part of it |
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12:36 | tcohen | morning #koha |
12:37 | jcamins | How do I generate an acquisitions PDF? |
12:38 | tcohen | hi kf |
12:45 | jcamins | Could someone please take a look at a closed invoice in acquisitions and see if the reopen checkbox is in the right place? |
12:46 | oleonard | It is not |
12:46 | * oleonard | grumbles |
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12:48 | oleonard | Small markup error. I'll send a patch. |
12:48 | jcamins | Thanks. |
12:48 | magnuse | oleonard++ |
12:49 | libsysguy | man jcamins is really getting through with the "Patches are welcome" statement |
12:53 | jcamins | lol |
12:55 | oleonard | Bug 10106 |
12:55 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10106 minor, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Needs Signoff , Markup error causing misplacement of "reopen" checkbox on invoice edit screen |
12:55 | jcamins | oleonard++ |
12:55 | oleonard | These newfangled bug numbers take too long to type. |
12:56 | libsysguy | truncate the table? |
12:57 | jk, nobody get any ideas with that one | |
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13:02 | jcamins | Well, that took way longer than I anticipated. |
13:04 | druthb | o/ |
13:05 | libsysguy | \o |
13:05 | * druthb | offers libsysguy a donut hole. |
13:05 | * libsysguy | sigh |
13:05 | druthb | muahahaha |
13:05 | libsysguy | I don't think my wiggly belly would appreciate that |
13:06 | druthb | *snrk* |
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14:00 | oleonard | Joubu: Your proposal to use the ColVis plugin modifies the default dataTables configuration? Does that mean the column chooser is going to appear by default on some tables? |
14:02 | * oleonard | has not found instances where it does |
14:07 | tcohen | oleonard, in the search results page, the code that adds stuff to a list is the same for a bookbag? |
14:07 | i'm confused by the mixed terminology | |
14:07 | oleonard | What are you trying to do? |
14:08 | tcohen | i found a bug, that prevents adding stuff to a list if opacbookbag is not enabled |
14:08 | and learned that lists are named virtualshelves in the code! | |
14:09 | not sure about that thou | |
14:09 | oleonard | Yeah, that was the original term. Just like basket became bookbag became cart. |
14:09 | tcohen | i found the bug in 3.8, and master exposes the same behaviour |
14:11 | is this a bug or a feature oleonard? | |
14:12 | Joubu | oleonard: If the colvis script is not loaded, there is no change on the page. Obviously the sDom modification has no effect. |
14:12 | oleonard | tcohen: It is a bug. Lists should work even if opacbookbag is turned off. |
14:12 | tcohen | ok, filling a bug then |
14:13 | i'm looking at the code and the problem its clear | |
14:13 | oleonard | Joubu: Ah, I understand. I like the way it works, although I think I would prefer that the "show/hide" button work on click rather than hover |
14:15 | Joubu | oleonard: yep me too. I added it in order to show some options. |
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14:15 | * Katrin Fischer: Bug 10023: Change degree notation for number to # | |
14:15 | * Katrin Fischer: Bug 10023: Change degree notation for number to No. | |
14:15 | * Jared Camins-Esakov: Bug 10023 follow-up: Remove the last occurrences of N[degree sign] | |
14:15 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10023 normal, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, Pushed to Master , degree notation in acq |
14:15 | jenkins_koha | * Owen Leonard: Bug 9903 - Sort by date broken on patron detail page |
14:15 | * Jonathan Druart: Bug 9903: Followup: use the KohaDates T::T plugin to display dates. | |
14:15 | * Magnus Enger: Bug 9804 - Fix name for NORMARC biblio-koha-indexdefs.xml | |
14:15 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9903 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Sort by date broken on patron detail page |
14:15 | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9804 trivial, P5 - low, ---, magnus, Pushed to Master , Fix name for NORMARC biblio-koha-indexdefs.xml | |
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14:15 | oleonard | Joubu: Does it remember your choice from session to session? I didn't test that. |
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14:16 | Joubu | oleonard: no, I don't think so |
14:16 | oleonard | I like that feature of my implementation. I don't know if anyone else does :) |
14:17 | Joubu | oleonard: It was what I mean by "configuration page for all tables in Koha". It is possible to specify a columns list to hide/show. |
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14:18 | Joubu | oleonard: But it is not easy at all to implement your way for all tables in Koha. |
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14:18 | oleonard | Joubu: True. |
14:19 | Joubu: How would it work to set the configuration for all tables in Koha? | |
14:19 | Joubu | oleonard: At the moment, Colvis is just an idea. I will try to imagine something elegant. |
14:20 | I don't know :) | |
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14:20 | oleonard | Joubu: I think it's worth pursuing. |
14:21 | Joubu | It's an hazy thing in my brain... |
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14:23 | mtompset | Greetings, #koha. |
14:24 | oleonard | tcohen: Are you working on a patch for Bug 10107 or should I? |
14:24 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10107 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , opacbookbag shouldn't prevent from adding items to a list in the OPAC |
14:25 | tcohen | i was starting to do it |
14:25 | oleonard | Okay, great. |
14:26 | tcohen | i havent' tested if its present in ccsr thu |
14:27 | gaetan_B | bye ! |
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14:39 | tcohen | oh, ccsr and prog share a lot oleonard! |
14:39 | * tcohen | is learning a lot this days |
14:40 | mtompset | Okay, I'm still learning git... let's say I have a bunch of changes in branch bug_shib which was based on origin/master, but more changes have been pushed through on origin/master. How do I not lose my changes, but make sure that I get the latest version of everything? |
14:43 | maximep | you can either merge master back on bug_shib or rebase bug_shib on master |
14:46 | tcohen | done oleonard |
14:52 | oleonard | Thanks tcohen. A lot of that logic dates back to before we could even use operators like || with template tags, so it could get messy. I'm surprised this bug hasn't been noticed sooner. |
14:53 | tcohen | i understand oleonard |
14:54 | I think we'll be better by the tie we have more templates, and less logic inside of them | |
14:55 | oleonard | Do you have an example of what you're thinking of tcohen? |
14:55 | mtompset | less logic in templates. Good idea. :) |
14:56 | though, I think that should be qualified as BUSINESS logic. obviously UI logic may be required. :) | |
14:56 | * mtompset | is just thinking out loud. |
14:57 | tcohen | i see big IF blocks everywhere |
14:57 | and sometimes have the feeling we should have separate, simpler templates for different scenarios | |
14:58 | mtompset | Yes, but I think some of those IF blocks are related to display issues, not business logic. |
14:58 | tcohen | i have the same feeling about stuff like addbooks.pl |
14:58 | is not personal :-P | |
14:59 | mtompset | Do you mean that addbooks.pl has too much overloading in that it does this and that for multiple situations which could better be defined by a .pm with cleanly separated .pl's? |
15:00 | tcohen | add_book.pl, del_book.pl and so own should exist |
15:00 | reiveune | ++ |
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15:01 | mtompset | Ah, just teasing out the functions which have all been jammed into out .pl into other smaller, clearer .pl's. |
15:01 | tcohen | s/w// |
15:02 | mtompset | ^out^one^ |
15:02 | tcohen | the thing is that this complexity is <past tense for 'mimic'> by the templates |
15:05 | kf | like owen explained |
15:05 | a lot of the more insane if structures can be explained by not having the option to do it otherwise with htp | |
15:05 | maybe cleaning up some files and pl one afte the other would help here | |
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15:10 | mtompset | how does git stash work? |
15:10 | oleonard | It lets you set aside a change you've made without making a commit |
15:11 | git stash save <name for the stash> | |
15:11 | mtompset | my bug_shib includes changes to C4/Auth, and I'm getting an "error" (really a warning) that I can't "git rebase origin/master", because my C4/Auth changes would be lost. |
15:11 | oleonard | Sounds like you haven't committed all your changes |
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15:11 | tcohen | why dont you commit them? |
15:11 | mtompset | I haven't done any commits. |
15:12 | oleonard | You have to commit your changes before you can rebase |
15:12 | tcohen | rebase takes your commits out, forwards to origin/master's HEAD and tries to apply your patches on top of it |
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15:15 | mtompset | GAH! now I'm into messy territory. |
15:15 | merge conflicts. | |
15:15 | tcohen | Mimicked |
15:16 | oleonard | Nothing to do but sort them out mtompset |
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15:17 | mtompset | This is the part of git I really haven't figured out. |
15:19 | oleonard | What part mtompset? Ask a question if you need help with something specific. |
15:19 | tcohen | mtompset: when it said merge confilcts, it told you what files have conflicts |
15:20 | you have to open those files and look for the conflict | |
15:20 | mtompset | True. I know what file. The question is how do I know where the conflicts are? |
15:20 | tcohen | search for <<< |
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15:20 | mtompset | AH! Okay, that should be easy enough. |
15:21 | tcohen | there's a block |
15:21 | <<< | |
15:21 | master | |
15:21 | === | |
15:21 | your_commit | |
15:21 | >>> | |
15:21 | mtompset | Right, so do I merely fix the bad section and do some git command? |
15:21 | tcohen | exactly |
15:21 | remove those marks too of course (<<< == >>>) | |
15:22 | then git add | |
15:22 | git add C4/Auth.pm | |
15:22 | and git rebase --continue | |
15:22 | (maybe someone correct me) | |
15:22 | mtompset | Oh, so fix the file completely? |
15:22 | The sections get removed with what it should be? | |
15:23 | (i.e. no more <<< parts) | |
15:23 | oleonard | mtompset: Everything between the <<< and >>> must be manually merged, and the markers removed. |
15:23 | tcohen | http://git-scm.com/book/ch3-2.[…]c-Merge-Conflicts |
15:24 | merge conflicts: http://git-scm.com/book/ch3-2.[…]c-Merge-Conflicts | |
15:24 | oleonard | mtompset: So if your code can fully replace the code marked as HEAD, just delete that section. If HEAD contained something yours lacks, you must merge them. |
15:24 | tcohen | hmm, i guess wahanui only learns at noon, nz tz |
15:24 | mtompset | merge conflicts? |
15:25 | wahanui: merge conflicts is http://git-scm.com/book/ch3-2.[…]c-Merge-Conflicts | |
15:25 | wahanui | OK, mtompset. |
15:25 | oleonard | Did someone say there was a way to do a git blame which excluded whitespace changes? |
15:25 | mtompset | merge conflicts? |
15:25 | wahanui | merge conflicts is probably http://git-scm.com/book/ch3-2.[…]c-Merge-Conflicts |
15:25 | jenkins_koha | Project Koha_master build #1147: UNSTABLE in 1 hr 10 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]Koha_master/1147/ |
15:25 | * Katrin Fischer: Bug 10023: Change degree notation for number to # | |
15:25 | * Katrin Fischer: Bug 10023: Change degree notation for number to No. | |
15:25 | * Jared Camins-Esakov: Bug 10023 follow-up: Remove the last occurrences of N[degree sign] | |
15:25 | * Owen Leonard: Bug 9903 - Sort by date broken on patron detail page | |
15:25 | * Jonathan Druart: Bug 9903: Followup: use the KohaDates T::T plugin to display dates. | |
15:25 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]_bug.cgi?id=10023 normal, P5 - low, ---, katrin.fischer, Pushed to Master , degree notation in acq |
15:25 | jenkins_koha | * Magnus Enger: Bug 9804 - Fix name for NORMARC biblio-koha-indexdefs.xml |
15:25 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9903 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Sort by date broken on patron detail page |
15:25 | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9804 trivial, P5 - low, ---, magnus, Pushed to Master , Fix name for NORMARC biblio-koha-indexdefs.xml | |
15:27 | oleonard | Looks to me like Bug 7732 has resurfaced. |
15:27 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7732 enhancement, P3, ---, m.de.rooy, RESOLVED FIXED, Restoring "More lists" in the Add-to combo of OPAC Search Results |
15:27 | mtompset | probably patched in one version, but never made it to master? |
15:30 | Thanks tcohen, oleonard, and maximep. I think I got it done. :) | |
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15:35 | tcohen | technical perl question: if I inherit from a class, how should I export the desired methods in my own class? |
15:38 | slef | I'd check man perlboot but I think you add them to @EXPORT_OK |
15:40 | man Exporter, rather | |
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15:45 | kf | hm |
15:45 | the way we do bibtex export is kinda weird | |
15:45 | http://git.koha-community.org/[…]effeffa3686bd79bb | |
15:46 | wouldn't using xslt or something be easier? | |
15:50 | mtompset | Okay, back to figuring out why the href is blank in this patch. |
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15:58 | amitgupta_ | brendan around? |
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16:06 | * druthb | waves to melia. |
16:06 | melia | hi druthb |
16:09 | gmcharlt | @quote random |
16:09 | huginn | gmcharlt: Quote #155: "libsysguy: I always hate touching somebody else's code that they are currently working on...its like asking someone if you can hold their kid" (added by kf at 01:35 PM, September 15, 2011) |
16:09 | kf | @quote random |
16:10 | huginn | kf: Quote #206: "There's a bug for that" (added by chrisc at 11:55 PM, May 24, 2012) |
16:10 | kf | hi gmcharlt :) |
16:10 | gmcharlt | hi kf! |
16:29 | jcamins | kf: if you prefer a more imperative style of export, I've heard of this thing called Template::Plugin::MARC. |
16:29 | kf | :) |
16:30 | jcamins | The author is pretty cool, too. |
16:32 | Though if he did that again, he'd probably use mustache instead of T::T, thus eliminating much of the parsing. | |
16:33 | (and less work is always good) | |
16:33 | kf | slef: wondering... has something bad happened to the nice lists of old bugs you sent out? :) |
16:33 | libsysguy | true, unless it means more work later |
16:33 | then I will always take more work upfront | |
16:34 | amitgupta_ | heya gmcharlt |
16:34 | wahanui | gmcharlt is an expert in all things library technology. |
16:34 | gmcharlt | hi amitgupta_ |
16:35 | jcamins | libsysguy: right, but using mustache would have been less work later. :( |
16:35 | Fortunately it works, so that's enough. | |
16:36 | Still, I hate it when I learn that I spent lots of time working on an already-solved problem. | |
16:36 | libsysguy | I'm going to look at your sauce |
16:37 | ah yes now I remember how much I hated marc | |
16:37 | thanks for that | |
16:38 | jcamins | lol |
16:38 | You're welcome. | |
16:41 | * druthb | needs a new hobby, and will port Koha onto the MicroVax platform, just for funsies. (naaaah!) |
16:42 | found one on eBay, boots to a login prompt, with a whopping 426MB drive. | |
16:43 | jcamins | Да нет! Коха слышком огромный! Библионарратор за МикроВах! |
16:43 | kf | i wish I had paid better attention to my russian lessons... |
16:43 | yes no? | |
16:43 | wahanui | http://media.moddb.com/images/[…]33/collapsing.gif |
16:43 | druthb | lol |
16:43 | jcamins | (Oh no! Koha is too big! Biblionarrator for MicroVax!) |
16:43 | kf | koha.... something something... |
16:44 | oh sa...of course | |
16:44 | time to leave :) | |
16:44 | bbl :) | |
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16:45 | * druthb | remembers when the *blazingly fast* Alpha 466Mhz processors came out. |
16:46 | druthb | The shop I was at was *stoked*, as it'd be a huge improvement. 64 bit! and *tons* more horsepower than our VAXServer 4100. |
16:46 | amitgupta_ | heya druthb |
16:46 | druthb | Hi, amitgupta_. :) |
16:46 | jcamins | Hehe. |
16:48 | druthb | For many years, the Indian Railway—which is *still* a VMS customer—had the server that held the record for uptime—no reboots in fourteen years or some such. That's one thing I'll give VMS. Serious uptime, hard to kill. |
16:48 | alphaman | I've got some old Alphas in my garage... |
16:48 | if you couldn't tell by my handle… :) | |
16:49 | druthb | The library I was at got their first Alpha (a 2100, pedestal, with dual CPUs) in…hm. 1993 or 4? Something like that. |
16:49 | libsysguy | I would have gone with alpha_male alphaman |
16:50 | alphaman | lol — it was an internal DEC marketing spoof, and it stuck with me since the early '90s... |
16:50 | libsysguy | I want to know what wizzyrea is going to do with that raspberry pi box |
16:50 | alphaman | 2100 came out in 95. |
16:50 | libsysguy | alphaman I got libsysguy from nengard when she came to do my libraries training |
16:51 | druthb | yeah. I'd not been there too long when we got that box and migrated from our old system. |
16:51 | alphaman | well, maybe late 94 |
16:51 | druthb | I wouldn't mind getting a little alpha box to fiddle around on some time. Pull in some of the old games, and putz around with this and that, just to see if I can |
16:52 | jcamins | druthb: how much? I can't believe there'd be that many bids. |
16:52 | alphaman | there's a free emulator you can get, runs on Windows, but I think it can be built on Mac or LInux, too |
16:52 | <scratches head, trying to remember name> | |
16:53 | druthb | That'd be slick, alphaman. I'll poke around. |
16:53 | jcamins: Such hardware does occasionally get bids. This older 32-bit MV was priced at 350 Buy-it-now. | |
16:53 | alphaman | there are also for$$$ emulators for both VAXen and Alphas. commercial grade stuff. |
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16:54 | alphaman | I sold a pallet full of systems to a reseller in the Pacific NW last year, to clear out my garage when I moved. |
16:55 | but I kept my favorites: a DS10L rack mount 2U system, and a PC164RX running NT. | |
16:56 | the RX was a prototype, that never saw the light of day. Only a couple dozen were built, and I was lucky to have one donated to my website. | |
16:56 | * tcohen | is back online |
16:57 | druthb | I never worked with a DS-series box, but heard good things about 'em. |
16:58 | Last VMS shop I was at used AS4100s, rackmounts, with a *few* running Tru64. | |
16:58 | * jcamins | never used VMS. |
16:58 | alphaman | So, you gonna port Koha using VMS or Tru64? |
16:58 | jcamins | He's happy with that. |
16:59 | alphaman | VMS has a port of Perl 5.whatever... |
16:59 | druthb | *snort* You could *theoretically* get it working on Tru64, if you can get Zebra breathing. |
16:59 | alphaman | lol |
16:59 | druthb | Getting Zebra healthy on VMS?…that'd be a trip. |
17:00 | alphaman | I too much of a n00b w/ Koha (I'm learning, here) — is Zebra in .pl too? |
17:00 | jcamins | Nope. |
17:00 | C. | |
17:00 | alphaman | there's a C portability library for VMS that might help. |
17:01 | druthb | The problem would probably lie in the territory of how it thinks about filesystems. VMS is Just Really Different. |
17:01 | alphaman | but yeah, no small task. |
17:01 | the library would isolate that to a great extent, fortunately | |
17:01 | gmcharlt | am I remembering correctly that VMS does file versioning by default? |
17:02 | druthb | It does, gmcharlt. |
17:02 | alphaman | yup |
17:02 | up to 32,767 versions | |
17:03 | Updated version of free Alphaserver emulator for Windows available: http://www.openvms.org/stories[…]=13/02/05/0029831 | |
17:03 | druthb | I took the two-week Internals class from DEC in '95. Oodles of fun, that. |
17:05 | alphaman | hardcore |
17:06 | druthb | yeah, it was a lot of fun. The teacher challenged us each day to try to break his box before he got there in the morning, using hardcore tricks. VMS being kind of hard to hack, this was a hefty challenge that eluded most of the class |
17:06 | jcamins | druthb: ... but you taught it MARC and got extra credit? |
17:06 | :P | |
17:06 | druthb | ….until some person (a #koha geek, lately) stole his power-supply and put an empty PS chassis in the box in its' place. |
17:06 | alphaman | aha! SIMH, originally written by Bill Ackerman, IIRC: http://sourceforge.net/projects/simh/ |
17:07 | druthb | ooo…that'll do the oldy moldy stuff…. PDP! |
17:07 | alphaman | or maybe it was Bob Supnik. |
17:08 | libsysguy | agh I am almost at my prime http://www.linkedin.com/today/[…]t-s-all-about-age |
17:09 | druthb | ITS? wowie. |
17:09 | * druthb | is feeling her age... |
17:10 | * libsysguy | is too |
17:10 | * alphaman | too |
17:10 | druthb | *snrk* |
17:10 | libsysguy | btw thats my picture in the article :p |
17:10 | hehe | |
17:11 | druthb | libsysguy is just a baby. |
17:11 | alphaman | I thought it was the old dancing baby from the 90s |
17:12 | gmcharlt | key line from that article: "The young can easily pull all-nighters." |
17:12 | i.e., they are willing to be exploited | |
17:12 | libsysguy | ^^ |
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17:13 | vfernandes | hi |
17:13 | wahanui | hello, vfernandes |
17:14 | vfernandes | one question: it's possible to redirect in a new page directly to OPAC in X language? |
17:14 | jcamins | There is a patch for that. |
17:15 | vfernandes | its a bug open? |
17:15 | jcamins | Yes. |
17:15 | You can search for it. | |
17:16 | @query language | |
17:16 | huginn | jcamins: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3092 normal, P1 - high, ---, frederic, NEW , Data values storage and use 100 bug meta-bug |
17:16 | jcamins: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=2559 normal, P3, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Language limit on Spanish returns Russian records or is it English ... | |
17:16 | jcamins: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8783 major, P3, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Parentheses not escaped properly in queries when using XSLT | |
17:16 | jcamins: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7541 normal, P3, ---, oleonard, NEW , News items won't display for translated dialects | |
17:16 | jcamins: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3707 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, chris, NEW , Add system preference for customization of the OPAC login page | |
17:16 | jcamins | @query opac language |
17:16 | huginn | jcamins: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3092 normal, P1 - high, ---, frederic, NEW , Data values storage and use 100 bug meta-bug |
17:16 | jcamins: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8783 major, P3, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Parentheses not escaped properly in queries when using XSLT | |
17:16 | jcamins: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7541 normal, P3, ---, oleonard, NEW , News items won't display for translated dialects | |
17:16 | jcamins: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3707 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, chris, NEW , Add system preference for customization of the OPAC login page | |
17:16 | jcamins: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9018 normal, P5 - low, ---, druthb, NEW , Po file for ccsr theme missing on translate.koha-community.org | |
17:16 | jcamins | Oh well. |
17:16 | tcohen: do you have the bug number? | |
17:16 | vfernandes | bug 9725 |
17:17 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9725 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Add support to notices for hourly loans |
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17:17 | vfernandes | bug 9735 |
17:17 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9735 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Signed Off , Choose language using URL parameters in any page |
17:18 | jcamins | That's the one. |
17:18 | vfernandes | that's it :) |
17:18 | tcohen | i like that one :-D |
17:31 | amitgupta_ | good night all... |
17:31 | oleonard | I felt my ears burning earlier. Turns out it was when you guys were talking about middle-aged programmers... |
17:31 | tcohen | bye amitgupta_ |
17:33 | druthb | *snrk* |
17:33 | tcohen | alphaman: you can run the zebra server in a separate server anyway ;) |
17:33 | druthb | oleonard, you're not middle-aged yet! |
17:33 | oleonard | I dunno, what counts? |
17:33 | alphaman | makes sense. |
17:33 | druthb | Knowing how to sysadmin a DRA Classic box would count. |
17:34 | oleonard | In that case I'll be young forever |
17:34 | alphaman | Used to be a port of MySQL available. Not sure if Oracle quashed that dev or not... |
17:34 | druthb | See, the kick with porting (most anything) to VAX VMS, is that on those boxes, 32 MB of RAM was considered a *lot*. |
17:34 | You'd almost have to do it on Alpha. | |
17:35 | alphaman | Yeah, but it was CISC. Fewer instructions, smaller code. |
17:35 | tcohen | RISC? |
17:36 | alphaman | Alpha was RISC. |
17:36 | A VAX could do in one instruction what it might take dozens on an Alpha. | |
17:36 | druthb | alphaman, you tempt me. I did get Koha running on a little Asus Eee 900 during KohaCon '09, mostly to see if I could. |
17:36 | alphaman | But the Alpha could pipeline 'em, and ran *much* faster |
17:37 | druthb | SIMH emulates an MV 3900, so it's *possible*, maybe. |
17:37 | alphaman | sign of a true hacker: "to see if I could" |
17:37 | druthb | Half a gig of RAM, and a 4 gig SSHD. It ran *hog slow*, but it ran, and I could search for my (two) biblios. |
17:38 | alphaman | half a gig of RAM and a 4 gig SCSI disk — sounds like one of my old Alphas… :) |
17:39 | druthb | heh |
17:40 | tcohen | how are we testing CGI-related stuff? |
17:40 | (at lib-level) | |
17:41 | jcamins | tcohen: with the unit tests you're just about to write? :) |
17:41 | tcohen | heh, do u work for the CIA or smth? |
17:41 | druthb | He's *way* too smart for that |
17:42 | jcamins | I could tell you, but if I told you I'd have to kill you. :P |
17:42 | tcohen | :-P |
17:44 | alphaman | errmuhgawsh, I've got a VAX on my Mac… (just downloaded SIMH) |
17:45 | jcamins | Hehe. |
17:45 | druthb | hehehehe |
17:45 | alphaman | gotta go home and see if I still have a VAX/OpenVMS kit lying around |
18:02 | oleonard | jcamins: Did I hear you say you use mustache? |
18:03 | jcamins | oleonard: I have not been, but I'm thinking I might start. |
18:03 | It would've been perfect for Template::Plugin::MARC. | |
18:04 | Have you used it? | |
18:04 | oleonard | No, but whenever I look at templates like oapc-results.tt and its huge swaths of JS building HTML I think maybe I should |
18:05 | I keep thinking it would help us keep JS separate from templates and still be able to keep translators happy, but I don't know if that's right | |
18:06 | tcohen | translators should *Always* be happy |
18:06 | and no, I don't think a mustache will fit your face jcamins :-P | |
18:07 | jcamins | Hehe. |
18:07 | oleonard: I'll be changing to either mustache or twig for Biblionarrator, though, and I'm leaning toward mustache because it's more cross-platform. | |
18:08 | oleonard | But you're looking at the Perl version? |
18:08 | jcamins | PHP. |
18:09 | oleonard | Oh is that what Biblionarrator is written in? |
18:09 | jcamins | Yup. |
18:17 | oleonard | We do a lot of template processing inside JavaScript. I wonder if it would be better to make it more abstract and not worry about the increased amount of JS that might be loaded as a result |
18:17 | jcamins | I would tend to think it would be. |
18:18 | oleonard | for instance: Go ahead and load JS relevent to the Cart even if it isn't enabled for the sake of being able to move it out of the .tt file |
18:19 | jcamins | Agreed. |
18:19 | We could minify all our JS, and it would all be cached anyway. | |
18:20 | oleonard | *sigh* So much to learn, so much to do... |
18:22 | I'm making so many changes to the OPAC for the redesign I want to change ALL THE THINGS | |
18:32 | mtompset | okay, next git question. How do I know what tags exist, such that I could create a branch based on something ancient (3.0.x for example)? |
18:33 | gmcharlt | mtompset: git tag -l |
18:34 | mtompset | thanks, gmcharlt! |
18:34 | gmcharlt++ | |
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18:40 | tcohen | bye #koha |
18:41 | cait | bye tcohen |
18:41 | mtompset | okay, I'm confused. I thought that "git checkout -b new_branch vtag" would have "deleted" files created on the existing branch. |
18:41 | oleonard | It would if those files were added and committed. |
18:42 | mtompset: Did you "git add" the files you added? | |
18:42 | mtompset | that was the previous commit before trying to rebase with master. |
18:43 | I'll git add, commit, and retry again. | |
18:44 | Ah, okay... file "gone". :) | |
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18:57 | jcamins | wizzyrea: what's wrong with local holds? |
18:57 | oleonard | wizzyrea: ? |
19:00 | jcamins | oleonard: BTW, what was your response to rangi's suggestion about LESS? |
19:00 | mtompset | "Your branch is ahead of 'origin/master' by 3 commits." -- is that referring to the commits I made before making other branches? |
19:00 | jcamins | It is referring to whatever commits are in that branch that are not in master. |
19:01 | oleonard | I'm giving it a try jcamins. Not sure how it's going to fit into the workflow, or where the less file should live. |
19:01 | Theoretically we should have a whole "build" folder in the templates for stuff that gets compiled and processed | |
19:06 | phasefx | hey folks, I'm a relative newbie, mostly familiar with Evergreen. if in Koha search results a record is described one way (say, a physical description that mentions 6 videocassettes), but the MARC record was actually changed and it should be 3 dvd's, and you only see that when you go into the record details page, what could be causing that? Actual item information is also off |
19:08 | jcamins | phasefx: the Zebra index has fallen behind. |
19:09 | Run rebuild_zebra.pl -b -a -z (-x) if it isn't in your cron. | |
19:09 | Or wait another few minutes and it'll catch up when the cron job fires. | |
19:09 | phasefx | jcamins++ is this abnormal? |
19:09 | cait | what he said :) |
19:10 | jcamins | Nope. |
19:11 | oleonard: this is what I did with developing vs production and LESS: https://github.com/jcamins/bib[…]ain.blade.php#L14 | |
19:12 | oleonard | Oh, on-the-fly compiling if you're in "dev mode" ? |
19:14 | jcamins | Yep. |
19:14 | Made it easier. | |
19:14 | phasefx | jcamins: cait: that did the trick, thanks! |
19:14 | cait | jcamins++ |
19:20 | oleonard | jcamins: Are you using a PHP framework for Biblionarrator? |
19:20 | jcamins | Yeah, Laravel. |
19:21 | oleonard | Hunh, haven't heard of that. |
19:21 | Why did you choose that? | |
19:22 | jcamins | A friend recommended it. |
19:22 | It's really nice, actually. | |
19:22 | oleonard | Had you worked under MVC before? |
19:23 | jcamins | Not a lot. |
19:23 | Played around with it, of course, but no major projects. | |
19:24 | oleonard | I've only read up on it |
19:26 | jcamins | It's a really good idea. |
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19:31 | oleonard | rangi wasn't here for 3 minutes! That was scary. |
19:31 | cait | lol |
19:31 | yes | |
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19:56 | oleonard | I'm re-indenting the hell out of these OPAC templates. |
19:56 | Sorry, or you're welcome, depending on your point of view. | |
19:58 | druthb | oleonard++ |
20:01 | cait | oleonard: go for it :) |
20:01 | jcamins | oleonard: might as well. |
20:01 | And now is the time to do it. | |
20:02 | rangi | yeah git log and diff can ignore the whitespace changes |
20:02 | jcamins | No changes to get in the way during string freeze so you have ~1.25 months. |
20:03 | rangi | git blame -w |
20:03 | cait | morning rangi |
20:04 | rangi | so you can still see the actual changes |
20:04 | oleonard | Short for "git blame -why-on-earth-did-you-do-that" |
20:04 | cait | hehe |
20:04 | rangi | hehe more ignore whitespace |
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20:11 | oleonard | See you later #koha. |
20:11 | * drojf | peeks in |
20:12 | cait | hey drojf |
20:12 | druthb | hi, drojf! :) |
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20:13 | drojf | hey that was fun |
20:13 | like a revolving door | |
20:14 | hi cait and druthb (i see you in the log) | |
20:14 | druthb | :P |
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20:23 | alohabot | Hi mib_2zml2n, Welcome to #koha. Feel free to use the '/nick yourname' command to choose a different name. alohabot, wahanui, and huginn are bots. If you need any help, just ask - there's usually someone around to help :) |
20:32 | * mtompset | waves bye. |
20:35 | jcamins | nengard: those weren't added yesterday? |
20:35 | nengard | ?? |
20:36 | jcamins | Wait. |
20:36 | This morning. | |
20:36 | nengard | what are we talking about? |
20:36 | my bug report? | |
20:36 | or something else | |
20:36 | jcamins | I pushed a patch updating MARC21 frameworks to Update 15. |
20:36 | The bug report. | |
20:36 | nengard | oh? oooo |
20:36 | let me check | |
20:36 | i might have done my pull too early this morning | |
20:38 | jcamins | I'm not sure- I didn't check. |
20:38 | I just spot-checked a few codes. | |
20:44 | nengard | jcamins looks good to me! |
20:44 | thanks | |
20:45 | jcamins | I love it when that happens. |
20:51 | cait | night all :) |
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21:07 | * magnuse | yawns |
21:12 | drojf | group yawn! |
21:12 | magnuse | :-) |
21:12 | * magnuse | can't wait to upgrade to a koha version that incorporates bug 9172 |
21:12 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9172 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Move TinyMCE library outside of language-specific directory |
21:13 | rangi | not long now :) |
21:14 | magnuse | w00t! :-) |
21:14 | rangi: planning to have it in 3.10.x? | |
21:15 | rangi | probably not, but 3.12.0 is only a month away :) |
21:15 | jcamins | Not so good for backporting. |
21:17 | magnuse | no problem |
21:17 | i will upgrade quickly to 3.12.x i think | |
21:17 | just did 3.10.4 -> 3.10.5, in 12 minutes, most of which was spent shuffling tiny_mce files around | |
21:18 | rangi | *nod* |
21:18 | under 10 minutes for a point upgrade is what i aim for | |
21:18 | magnuse | (because i updated the templates/installed 2 translations) |
21:19 | rangi | so there is not excuse to use versions with bugs/security issues |
21:19 | jcamins | There are many excuses. |
21:19 | Just none good. | |
21:19 | rangi | :) |
21:19 | magnuse | the upgrade itself took 2 minutes, tops. for 48 instances |
21:19 | rangi | nice :) |
21:20 | are you thinking of coming to kohacon magnuse ? | |
21:20 | magnuse | thinking yes, going no. |
21:20 | sadly | |
21:20 | rangi | ahh stink |
21:20 | but understandable | |
21:21 | magnuse | my wife will be taking a year off work to stay home with leonard until he is 2, so we better save money where we can... |
21:21 | rangi | yep that makes sense |
21:21 | magnuse | yeah, i'm curious about the location for kohacon14... ;-) |
21:21 | rangi | :) |
21:22 | its almost time to start the proposals for that actualy | |
21:23 | magnuse | yeah, i tried to bring it up one or two meetings ago, but i think people found tit too early |
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21:23 | magnuse | oh well, we will get there |
21:23 | jcamins | I think I called for sending an e-mail to the list and not making _me_ think about it. |
21:23 | magnuse | and i better catch some sleep |
21:23 | jcamins: hehe | |
21:24 | have fun #koha! | |
21:25 | rangi | cya magnuse |
21:37 | tcohen | hi rangi |
21:38 | jenkins_koha | Starting build #102 for job Koha_3.10.x (previous build: SUCCESS) |
21:39 | rangi | hi tcohen |
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22:19 | jenkins_koha | Project Koha_3.10.x build #102: SUCCESS in 41 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]/Koha_3.10.x/102/ |
22:19 | * David Cook: Bug 8508 - Holds to Pull : Library dropdown options are erroneously concatenated by br tags | |
22:19 | * Jonathan Druart: Bug 8508: Followup: Simplify the separateData js function | |
22:19 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8508 minor, P5 - low, ---, dcook, Pushed to Stable , Holds to Pull : Library dropdown options are erroneously concatenated by br tags |
22:19 | jenkins_koha | Starting build #103 for job Koha_3.10.x (previous build: SUCCESS) |
22:36 | rambutan | I vote for Thailand. |
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23:01 | jenkins_koha | Project Koha_3.10.x build #103: SUCCESS in 41 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]/Koha_3.10.x/103/ |
23:01 | * Adrien Saurat: Bug 9484: userid not generated consistently (different editing pages) | |
23:01 | * Jonathan Druart: Bug 9479: The member notices page doesn't display dates in the syspref format | |
23:01 | * Jonathan Druart: Bug 9479: FIX conflict with Bug 9014 | |
23:01 | * Liz Rea: bug 4862 - Change label of Browse by subject or author to Authority search | |
23:01 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9484 minor, P5 - low, ---, adrien.saurat, Pushed to Stable , userid not generated consistently (different editing pages) |
23:01 | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9479 normal, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Stable , The member notices page does not display dates in the syspref format | |
23:01 | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9014 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Pushed to Master , Add time due to slips | |
23:01 | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4862 minor, P5 - low, ---, liz, Pushed to Stable , "Browse by subject" is misnamed | |
23:01 | jenkins_koha | Starting build #304 for job Koha_3.8.x (previous build: SUCCESS) |
23:39 | Project Koha_3.8.x build #304: SUCCESS in 38 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]b/Koha_3.8.x/304/ | |
23:39 | Adrien Saurat: Bug 9484: userid not generated consistently (different editing pages) | |
23:39 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9484 minor, P5 - low, ---, adrien.saurat, Pushed to Stable , userid not generated consistently (different editing pages) |
23:48 | jcamins | !jenkins build master now |
23:48 | jenkins_koha | jcamins: syntax is: 'build <job> [now|<delay>[s|m|h]] [<parameterkey>=<value>]*' |
23:48 | jcamins | !jenkins build Koha_master now |
23:48 | jenkins_koha | jcamins: job Koha_master build scheduled now |
23:49 | Starting build #1148 for job Koha_master (previous build: UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #1146 1 day 10 hr ago) |
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