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| 00:06 | tcohen joined #koha | |
| 00:07 | dcook | jcamins: How long have you been wokring on it now? |
| 00:07 | * dcook | waves to tcohen |
| 00:07 | tcohen | hi dcook |
| 00:07 | jcamins | dcook: since February 8. |
| 00:09 | dcook | 2 months...20 years... |
| 00:09 | ;) | |
| 00:09 | jcamins | dcook: they're similar... right? |
| 00:09 | dcook | You must type really quickly? |
| 00:09 | jcamins | lol |
| 00:10 | You betcha! | |
| 00:36 | papa joined #koha | |
| 00:46 | huginn | New commit(s) kohagit: Merge branch 'bug_9984' into 3.14-master <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]20f0867bb8453713b> / Bug 9984: Remove server-side sort on the hold ratios table <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]904cb3da4a0197768> |
| 00:52 | jenkins_koha | Starting build #9 for job Koha_3.12.x (previous build: SUCCESS) |
| 00:56 | huginn | New commit(s) kohagit: Merge branch 'bug_9588' into 3.14-master <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]c71b8373a5d26a6b5> / Bug 9588: weighted search query with index <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]d7d631223b399ce5b> |
| 01:03 | * dcook | is looking at serials cataloguing in MARC |
| 01:03 | dcook | Die, MARC! Die! |
| 01:04 | Completely unnecessarily esoteric... | |
| 01:12 | mtompset joined #koha | |
| 01:12 | mtompset | Greetings, #koha. |
| 01:13 | * dcook | wonders how often libraries actually use 853/863 pairs... |
| 01:13 | waves to mtompset | |
| 01:13 | mtompset | Greetings, dcook. |
| 01:13 | Have you ever added a system preference before? | |
| 01:13 | jcamins | In bibs? Never. |
| 01:14 | In holdings? All the time. | |
| 01:14 | system preferences? | |
| 01:14 | wahanui | somebody said system preferences was http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]ystem_Preferences |
| 01:14 | mtompset | I'm beginning to read that. |
| 01:14 | I wanted to take these patches by biblibre | |
| 01:14 | http://git.biblibre.com/?p=koh[…]036101ba6a0903ecb | |
| 01:14 | dcook | mtompset: It should tell you all you need |
| 01:15 | mtompset | and attempt to get them into my git test system. |
| 01:15 | I must have done it wrong, because I'm getting a web installer step 3 loop. | |
| 01:16 | And yes, I realize the patches are for 3.6.x, which is part of the problem. ;) | |
| 01:16 | huginn | New commit(s) kohagit: Merge branch 'bug_9523' into 3.14-master <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]84fd5900f575b78f4> / Bug 9523: importing staged bib records hangs if a matched bib has been deleted <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]07ea56b3ea89e437b> |
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| 01:22 | jcamins | mtompset: those aren't for 3.6.x. |
| 01:22 | They're for 3.0.6. | |
| 01:22 | mtompset | 3.06.00.080 |
| 01:23 | I thought that is 3.6.8? | |
| 01:23 | jcamins | They made up their own version numbering system. |
| 01:23 | Those patches will apply again 3.0.x, or maybe, if you're lucky, 3.2.x. | |
| 01:25 | mtompset | does that tag even exist in git still? |
| 01:25 | jcamins | Of course. |
| 01:25 | But most likely that will depend on other BibLibre work. | |
| 01:30 | jenkins_koha | Project Koha_3.12.x build #9: SUCCESS in 38 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]ob/Koha_3.12.x/9/ |
| 01:30 | Jonathan Druart: Bug 9984: Remove server-side sort on the hold ratios table | |
| 01:30 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9984 minor, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , The hold ratios table uses a server-side sort |
| 01:30 | wizzyrea | all of the history exists in git :P |
| 01:30 | jenkins_koha | Starting build #1145 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS) |
| 01:33 | mtompset | I'm about to find out... I found my mistake, and have gotten my attempt at patching up and not looping. :) |
| 01:34 | Sweet... we have system preferences added. :) | |
| 01:47 | Okay... fixed my .tt error. | |
| 01:47 | jcamins | Ummm... |
| 01:47 | mtompset | I think I almost have this set of patches integrated inot my test git. :) |
| 01:47 | jcamins | The patch you shared a link for was not for TT at all. You know that, right? |
| 01:48 | mtompset | Yes, I did a translate guess. :) |
| 01:48 | I forgot to add a [% END %] in. | |
| 01:49 | Because this patch really looks like it could solve what I need, if I can get it to work, and then tweak it for SAML 2.0 :) | |
| 01:50 | Default apache2 settings = good. :) | |
| 01:50 | dcook | Mmm |
| 01:51 | * dcook | just took a look at the git |
| 01:51 | mtompset | It's an OLD version, for sure. :) |
| 01:51 | dcook | Are you going to submit a patch when you get it up and running? |
| 01:51 | We're doing some work with Athens authentication. Once we get it up and running, we're going to put together a patch | |
| 01:51 | mtompset | If I do get it up and running, yes. But I think I should probably comment somewhere about it gratuitously lifted from biblibre. :) |
| 01:52 | dcook | Attribution is always a good idea |
| 01:53 | mtompset | Any ideas on how to do that? As a comment in the patch? perhaps a Sponsored-By? |
| 01:53 | jcamins | mtompset: a note in the commit message. |
| 01:54 | mtompset | Okay. Sounds good. |
| 01:54 | * mtompset | is happy that I got it to start. Tomorrow, I'll be happy if I can get some tests out of it. :) |
| 01:55 | dcook | :D |
| 01:57 | mtompset | Of course, to properly test, I'd need to set up all the forms of authentication possible to make sure I haven't broken anything else. |
| 01:57 | * mtompset | grumbles about testing being so hard and tedious. |
| 01:58 | wizzyrea | mtompset - cjh may know of a script to automagically convert any HTP -> TT |
| 01:58 | * wizzyrea | doesn't know the details, but knows that all of koha was done this way at one point |
| 01:59 | mtompset | There wasn't enough to require one. The changes were pretty obvious, I think. |
| 01:59 | But thanks for the suggestion. | |
| 02:00 | wizzyrea | just to keep in mind if you plan to rescue any more kittens |
| 02:00 | tcohen joined #koha | |
| 02:00 | * wizzyrea | waves to tcohen |
| 02:00 | tcohen | hi wizzyrea |
| 02:01 | already monday, right? | |
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| 02:02 | mtj | mtompset, fyi: there is current shibby bug (with a different patch) too… bug 8446 |
| 02:02 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8446 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Shibboleth authentication patch |
| 02:02 | * mtj | waves to mtompset, wizzyrea , tcohen, dcook |
| 02:03 | tcohen | that patch is an interesting one, it relies on mod_shib and uses ENV info to fix stuff on the koha side |
| 02:03 | i wonder if there should be a tighter integration still | |
| 02:03 | * wizzyrea | gives tcohen a highfive re: bug 9894 |
| 02:03 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9894 normal, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Pushed to Master , 'hidden' value is hard to understand in frameworks |
| 02:04 | tcohen | hey, i love that one |
| 02:04 | mtompset | mtj -- I saw that, but I liked the biblibre one better. |
| 02:04 | tcohen | hi mtompset |
| 02:04 | mtompset | Greetings, wizzyrea tcohen jcamins dcook mtj. :) |
| 02:05 | mtj | mtompset, good stuff… :) |
| 02:05 | mtompset | Notice the last comment on it. ;) |
| 02:05 | wizzyrea | hiyas everybody :) |
| 02:05 | mtompset | It points to the biblibre one and has a bit of a comparison. |
| 02:05 | wizzyrea | highfive! |
| 02:05 | wahanui | gimmie six! |
| 02:05 | wizzyrea | hehe |
| 02:05 | highfive is also o/*HIGHFIVE*\o | |
| 02:05 | wahanui | okay, wizzyrea. |
| 02:05 | jcamins | The patch on 8446 depends on Apache, as far as I can tell, which makes it a non-starter IMO. |
| 02:06 | mtj | hey tcohen, ive been thinking… since the gpl3 license change, we can now include Tamil's zebra indexer in koha |
| 02:07 | tcohen | there's that moose discusion mtj |
| 02:07 | * mtompset | ducks for cover as he expects tcohen to secretly be jumping for joy. ;) |
| 02:07 | * mtj | hasnt looked at that indexer bug in a while… ^^ |
| 02:07 | mtj | aaah yes - moose... |
| 02:07 | tcohen | but as it has to do with the indexer only... not CGI scripts... |
| 02:07 | * tcohen | thinks mtompset is right |
| 02:09 | mtj | tcohen, but hey - a moose (or moo) dep for the indexer, is still do-able? |
| 02:11 | mtompset | Didn't a few months ago, some time last year, we discuss the idea of using moose vs moo vs mouse vs perhaps something else? |
| 02:11 | tcohen | we didn't reach an agreement |
| 02:12 | i recall jcamins telling that once we are full plack-compliant we can choose anyone | |
| 02:13 | mtompset | Well, I thought we at least agreed on using moose compatible style, as other things like class::dataaccessor? which is already used, has a compatibility mode to it. |
| 02:13 | tcohen | at UNC we need bug 8773 |
| 02:13 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8773 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Needs Signoff , Add per-instance koha-index-daemon in .deb setup |
| 02:13 | jcamins | We didn't really agree on anything, no. |
| 02:13 | Other than that I wasn't going to discuss it until we had Plack compatibility. | |
| 02:13 | wizzyrea | oo yea |
| 02:14 | mtompset | So that begs the question... is there an ETA on plack-compliance/compatibility/whatever? |
| 02:15 | jcamins | No. |
| 02:15 | tcohen | speaking of which, can we document those patterns that are not-plack-firendly? |
| 02:15 | jcamins | By all means. |
| 02:15 | I will summarize, you may document. :) | |
| 02:16 | tcohen | if that happens in an email or wiki for, I can document it |
| 02:16 | jcamins | tcohen: file-level variables. |
| 02:16 | tcohen | (i always manage to loose my IRC/chat history) |
| 02:16 | mtompset | documentation is good. Nicole Engard is the queen of documentation writing. :) |
| 02:16 | tcohen | jcamins: you're talking about CGI scripts, right? |
| 02:17 | jcamins | tcohen: *any* file-level variable. |
| 02:17 | tcohen | what about them? |
| 02:17 | jcamins | They are not compatible with Plack. |
| 02:17 | Well- they are fine in files with no subroutines. | |
| 02:17 | tcohen | you mean global variables? |
| 02:18 | jcamins | Those are mostly just bad form. |
| 02:18 | But my variables at a file-level cannot be accessed in subroutines. | |
| 02:18 | Subroutines in .pl files cause problems. | |
| 02:18 | tcohen | so, no subroutine should be using global variables |
| 02:18 | jcamins | All caching. |
| 02:18 | Right. | |
| 02:19 | tcohen | that should be in the coding guidelines |
| 02:19 | jcamins | I think it is. |
| 02:19 | Somewhere. | |
| 02:20 | mtompset | Isn't "our" variables okay? |
| 02:20 | tcohen | i'll try to set plack on a dev VPS to see if I can get some patterns to look for |
| 02:20 | I still don't fully get it | |
| 02:21 | jcamins | our variables work, sometimes, but don't get updated ever. |
| 02:21 | So they're dangerous too. | |
| 02:21 | * tcohen | likes cs theory a lot, but is mostly sample-driven |
| 02:22 | tcohen | wahanui: every important architectural discussion is delayed until we are plack-compatible |
| 02:22 | wahanui | OK, tcohen. |
| 02:23 | jcamins | Printing to stdout is also a problem. |
| 02:23 | As are explict exits. | |
| 02:23 | *explicit | |
| 02:23 | * tcohen | opens kate to take notes |
| 02:23 | * dcook | 's eyes perk up |
| 02:23 | dcook | Explicit exits are bad? |
| 02:24 | Even after re-directs? | |
| 02:24 | jcamins | Mostly, yeah. |
| 02:24 | They do weird things to the headers under Plack. | |
| 02:24 | dcook | Hmm, good to know |
| 02:25 | * dcook | was going to send a patch with a bunch of exits after re-directs, as aooarebtky older versions of IE sometimes have issues where they try to do a re-direct that doesn't have an explicit exit afterwards |
| 02:25 | dcook | aooarebtky = apparently* |
| 02:25 | apparently... | |
| 02:25 | jcamins | There's a way to make it work safely. |
| 02:26 | But I don't know it. | |
| 02:27 | rangi might. | |
| 02:28 | tcohen | jcamins, don't u think a CGI.pm wrapper could be seen as an adaptor? |
| 02:28 | that could be used to the PSGI move | |
| 02:29 | jcamins | Plack is already a CGI wrapper. |
| 02:29 | I mean, the way we used it. | |
| 02:30 | *use | |
| 02:31 | tcohen | right, we use some plack stuff that makes a CGI app work on plack |
| 02:32 | we have to do a rewrite sprint, where we tackle on some X script, and rewrite it to be perfect for Plack | |
| 02:33 | then we learned those patterns that should be avoided | |
| 02:33 | and can work on fixing all the scripts | |
| 02:34 | jcamins | The problem is that no one has the time to do that. |
| 02:35 | wizzyrea | ah I think you mean "it's not a priority for anybody" |
| 02:35 | because if it was, there would be time. | |
| 02:35 | dcook | wizzyrea++ |
| 02:36 | tcohen | i think is a bit of both |
| 02:36 | rangi | wtf is non-preferred terms? |
| 02:36 | jcamins | rangi: see-from |
| 02:36 | dcook | rangi: This is a library thing? |
| 02:36 | tcohen | because (in my personal case) as I don't know the complexity of the task |
| 02:36 | rangi | 'The ability to use non-prefered terms in searches' |
| 02:36 | dcook | Yeah |
| 02:36 | jcamins | Yes, we do that. |
| 02:36 | tcohen | i cannot measure the time needed to do it |
| 02:36 | rangi | yay thanks |
| 02:36 | jcamins | See bug whatever-bug-it-was-I-implemented-it-in. |
| 02:37 | dcook | hehe |
| 02:38 | cjh | mtompset: afaik; you have to be careful with 'our' variables as they are not re-initialized between sessions (different users being served by same thread), so it is possible that one session's state 'bleeds over' into another. |
| 02:38 | tcohen | jcamins, if we had this sort-of documented, we could evaluate if it is do-able, or if we can get students for example that want to get involved in a FOSS project, I'm not sure |
| 02:39 | jcamins | tcohen: the problem is that documenting would take a lot of time from someone who doesn't have it. |
| 02:39 | jenkins_koha | Project Koha_master build #1145: SUCCESS in 1 hr 8 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]Koha_master/1145/ |
| 02:39 | * Jonathan Druart: Bug 9984: Remove server-side sort on the hold ratios table | |
| 02:39 | * Fridolyn SOMERS: Bug 9588: weighted search query with index | |
| 02:39 | * Kyle M Hall: Bug 9523: importing staged bib records hangs if a matched bib has been deleted | |
| 02:39 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9984 minor, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , The hold ratios table uses a server-side sort |
| 02:39 | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9588 minor, P5 - low, ---, fridolyn.somers, Pushed to Master , weighted search query with index | |
| 02:39 | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9523 normal, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Pushed to Master , Trying to import staged marc records where a matched bib has been deleted caused the import to hang | |
| 02:39 | jenkins_koha | Starting build #10 for job Koha_3.12.x (previous build: SUCCESS) |
| 02:39 | tcohen | understood jcamins |
| 02:47 | night jcamins | |
| 02:47 | $#koha | |
| 02:48 | jcamins | Good night. |
| 02:48 | wahanui | I watch you sleep. |
| 02:48 | mtompset | Have a good day (24 hour period), everyone. |
| 02:48 | dcook | jcamins: I see a "see also" patch but no "see" or "used for" patch |
| 02:49 | bug 3462 | |
| 02:49 | wahanui | hmmm... bug 3462 is ready for sign off. |
| 02:49 | jcamins | dcook: bug 7417 |
| 02:49 | wahanui | bug 7417 is a good one too |
| 02:49 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3462 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Pushed to Master , Link see also in authorities |
| 02:49 | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7417 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, RESOLVED FIXED, Include alternate forms from authorities in bibliographic searches | |
| 02:49 | jcamins | That's scary. |
| 02:49 | dcook | Ahh, darned keywords |
| 02:49 | jcamins | I remembered it without any searching. |
| 02:50 | dcook | That IS scary |
| 02:50 | I can still recall member numbers from a co-op job I worked... | |
| 02:50 | 7-10 years ago | |
| 02:50 | jcamins | lol |
| 02:50 | That's worse. | |
| 02:51 | dcook | Well, they were only 4 digits as well ;) |
| 02:51 | And I only recall the regulars | |
| 02:51 | Phone numbers from childhood.. | |
| 02:51 | Now what was I just doing... | |
| 02:51 | jcamins | Well, yeah, but those make more sense. |
| 02:51 | dcook | Right! |
| 02:52 | I suppose | |
| 02:52 | So... how does one go about proposing a change to a bug | |
| 02:52 | bug 8236 | |
| 02:52 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8236 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha, Failed QA , Prevent renewing if overdue or restriction |
| 02:52 | dcook | I failed it because it didn't apply the code consistently |
| 02:53 | wizzyrea | make a comment on it saying what you want |
| 02:53 | dcook | But I think it would make more sense to separate this into two different bugs anywhere... |
| 02:53 | Although that might just be because I have a patch to prevent renewing for restriction | |
| 02:53 | Renewing for overdues is more complex | |
| 02:53 | And not my priority ;) | |
| 02:53 | wizzyrea: So comment and submit a patch just for the restriction part? | |
| 02:54 | wizzyrea | or create a new bug, and link them |
| 02:54 | up 2 u really | |
| 02:54 | dcook | Cool beans. I just wanted to ask to see if there was an established procedure |
| 02:54 | wizzyrea | comment on the original, saying "I think this is two bugs and I've filed another one for just this part" |
| 02:55 | dcook | Sounds good : ) |
| 02:55 | I think that makes sense | |
| 03:16 | jenkins_koha | Project Koha_3.12.x build #10: SUCCESS in 37 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]b/Koha_3.12.x/10/ |
| 03:16 | * Fridolyn SOMERS: Bug 9588: weighted search query with index | |
| 03:16 | * Kyle M Hall: Bug 9523: importing staged bib records hangs if a matched bib has been deleted | |
| 03:16 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9588 minor, P5 - low, ---, fridolyn.somers, Pushed to Master , weighted search query with index |
| 03:16 | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9523 normal, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Pushed to Master , Trying to import staged marc records where a matched bib has been deleted caused the import to hang | |
| 03:31 | mib_gran7r joined #koha | |
| 03:31 | alohabot | Hi mib_gran7r, Welcome to #koha. Feel free to use the '/nick yourname' command to choose a different name. alohabot, wahanui, and huginn are bots. If you need any help, just ask - there's usually someone around to help :) |
| 03:31 | mib_gran7r | i planned to import some data into Asort1 under acquisition, do you know which marc tag it refer to? |
| 03:35 | wizzyrea | I don't think it goes in a marc tag |
| 03:35 | in the database it lives in aqorders | |
| 03:35 | (which is not even remotely related to MARC) | |
| 03:36 | mib_gran7r | ok... :( |
| 03:37 | dcook | O_o |
| 03:38 | wizzyrea | hm not even a "well where should I put it" question |
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| 03:39 | alohabot | Hi mib_gran7r, Welcome to #koha. Feel free to use the '/nick yourname' command to choose a different name. alohabot, wahanui, and huginn are bots. If you need any help, just ask - there's usually someone around to help :) |
| 03:49 | dcook | Indeed |
| 03:50 | wizzyrea | to which I would ask |
| 03:50 | the first question? | |
| 03:50 | wahanui | "What are you trying to do?" or "What is the goal?" |
| 03:50 | dcook | Yep |
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| 04:01 | alohabot | Hi mib_ybidg8, Welcome to #koha. Feel free to use the '/nick yourname' command to choose a different name. alohabot, wahanui, and huginn are bots. If you need any help, just ask - there's usually someone around to help :) |
| 04:46 | cait joined #koha | |
| 04:46 | dcook | hey ya cait |
| 04:47 | * dcook | pats himself on the back for remembering to blog about Z39.50 and Bib-1 attributes back in February... |
| 04:47 | cait | hi dcook |
| 04:47 | dcook | Oh so not the type of thing you'd remember off the top of your head...unless you're Jared ;) |
| 04:48 | wizzyrea | i like this late afternoon cait thing |
| 04:48 | cait | :) |
| 04:48 | wizzyrea | how is early morning cait? |
| 04:49 | cait | hm, I think early morning cait says it all :) |
| 04:51 | mib_tm joined #koha | |
| 04:51 | alohabot | Hi mib_tm, Welcome to #koha. Feel free to use the '/nick yourname' command to choose a different name. alohabot, wahanui, and huginn are bots. If you need any help, just ask - there's usually someone around to help :) |
| 04:52 | wizzyrea | lots of mibbit lurkers today :) |
| 04:52 | mib_tm | Howdy! May I know what is the 'object' number in log viewer referring to? |
| 04:52 | wizzyrea | depends on what you are looking for |
| 04:52 | the first question? | |
| 04:52 | wahanui | "What are you trying to do?" or "What is the goal?" |
| 04:52 | wizzyrea | :) |
| 04:54 | mib_tm | I'm looking at the log for circulation. It shows the transaction of date, time, librarian, action, etc. Just wondering what is 'object'? |
| 04:54 | wizzyrea | in that case probably the itemnumber or biblionumber |
| 04:54 | not totally certain which | |
| 04:54 | but one of those | |
| 04:54 | wahanui | rumour has it one of those is entirely extraneous |
| 04:54 | cait | the borrower i think |
| 04:54 | I had looked at that yesterday for an exaple | |
| 04:55 | wizzyrea | oh, borrowernumber |
| 04:55 | there you go :) | |
| 05:22 | eythian | hi again |
| 05:24 | * dcook | waves to eythian |
| 05:25 | dcook | "Note: Because of the way data is being normalised, all text field scans must be entered in upper case. Currently, subject headings must be scanned with no hyphens between subfields, just one space. Scans on text fields thatreturn extremely long headings will cause an error message to be displayed. Scans on Personal name and Corporate name are being directed to the keyword index (Dec 2004). Add @attr 3=1 to overcome this problem." |
| 05:25 | Right... | |
| 05:26 | I think I'm starting to see why no one has written a Z39.50 interface for authority searching... | |
| 05:26 | eythian | what are you looking at? |
| 05:26 | dcook | http://www.nla.gov.au/librarie[…]ces/search/z3950/ |
| 05:26 | Trying ot figure out which Bib-1 attributes to use for authority searching | |
| 05:27 | Maybe I'm missing something, but their test authority DB seems a bit odd | |
| 05:27 | eythian | ah. Oh good, you're implementing that? We were just talking about it today and how it would be useful. |
| 05:28 | dcook | Yeah, it's something we've been talking a bit about as well |
| 05:28 | Today is the first day where I've started poking around | |
| 05:29 | This document has been great: http://www.loc.gov/z3950/agency/bib1.html | |
| 05:29 | In theory.. | |
| 05:29 | eythian | I need to learn z39.50. I don't really want to, but I should. |
| 05:30 | http://www.digitalnz.org/ <-- these guys have a fairly simple but good API, I've just started writing an Android app to access it. | |
| 05:33 | dcook | Neato. That looks rather nice. |
| 05:33 | Have you guys been thinking about doing z39.50 for authorities as well then? | |
| 05:35 | eythian | yeah, just came up in conversation today. |
| 05:40 | dcook | Well, it's something I'm thinking of working on this week, so maybe I'll do a bug report on it, and then post up an early effort |
| 05:40 | eythian | sure. We'd probably be able to help test it. |
| 05:41 | dcook | Sounds good. I'd certainly appreciate any feedback I could get on it |
| 05:42 | I wish that I had more test DBs though | |
| 05:42 | eythian | Yeah, I don't know of many. I think .au has some, possible LoC. |
| 05:42 | *possibly | |
| 05:44 | dcook | Oooh. It does look like LoC might have an available one |
| 05:44 | I'm getting strange results from NLA | |
| 05:44 | eythian | It's possible that NZ Natlib has one too, but I'm not sure. |
| 05:48 | dcook | Hmm, not sure either |
| 05:48 | I was chatting about this with jcamins recently, and I think he was saying that it's fairly uncommon to find authority DBs for z39.50 | |
| 05:48 | But...I haven't looked extensively | |
| 05:52 | cait | hi eythian |
| 05:53 | eythian | hello cait |
| 05:53 | wahanui | hello cait are you here? |
| 05:54 | eythian | heh |
| 05:56 | cait | :) |
| 05:59 | mtj | dcook, sadly, thats been my experience too… ^^ |
| 06:01 | … you need to pay LOC or NATLIB-NZ for those records, afaik :/ | |
| 06:01 | cait | 43 bugs |
| 06:02 | ugh | |
| 06:02 | mtj | … NLA too, i assume |
| 06:03 | (i would love to been proven completely wrong here, too) | |
| 06:04 | dcook | I haven't looked at LOC yet |
| 06:04 | Definitely need a membership to NLA though | |
| 06:04 | mtj | hi eythian, cait |
| 06:04 | dcook | cait: any idea about https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/[…]es_Authority_File ? |
| 06:04 | mtj: I think NATLIB-NZ might just serve up bib records | |
| 06:05 | OCLC has a test server, but you need to set up a test account with them first, so that's on the to do list.. | |
| 06:06 | NLA only mentions NLA and OCLC as well...http://www.nla.gov.au/librarie[…]ases/#authorities | |
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| 06:07 | dcook | LOC seems open :) |
| 06:07 | http://www.loc.gov/z3950/lcserver.html | |
| 06:07 | They have separate databases for Names and Subjects though | |
| 06:08 | So nothing for uniform titles and possibly nothing for meetings.. | |
| 06:15 | Not very good attribute support though.. | |
| 06:17 | Ohhh | |
| 06:17 | In the Name DB that is | |
| 06:17 | The Subject DB does.. | |
| 06:18 | Hmm, I take that back | |
| 06:18 | It supports the attributes, but the results still don't make sense.. | |
| 06:20 | Oh wait...yes they do | |
| 06:20 | I just haven't found a good source describing what MARC tags are included in which index for Bib-1 "Extension" attributes | |
| 06:23 | * magnuse | waves |
| 06:24 | * cait | waves back at magnuse :) |
| 06:24 | magnuse | :-) |
| 06:31 | dcook | hey ya magnuse |
| 06:33 | magnuse | kia ora dcook |
| 06:36 | dcook | National Library of Israel Name Authority File could be neat.. |
| 06:38 | LAC was so promising until it said I couldn't authorize the Canadiana authorities.. | |
| 06:38 | magnuse | VIAF? |
| 06:38 | wahanui | VIAF is probably 100% Javascript, apparently. |
| 06:39 | magnuse | wahanui: forget VIAF |
| 06:39 | wahanui | magnuse: I forgot viaf |
| 06:39 | magnuse | viaf is "Virtual International Authority File" at http://viaf.org/ |
| 06:39 | dcook | hehe |
| 06:39 | magnuse | VIAF? |
| 06:39 | wahanui | VIAF is "Virtual International Authority File" at http://viaf.org/ |
| 06:39 | dcook | Yeah, I took a little look before |
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| 06:40 | reiveune | hello |
| 06:40 | dcook | I don't see how to access the DBs though |
| 06:40 | salut reiveune | |
| 06:42 | cait | bbl :) |
| 06:43 | dcook | see ya cait |
| 06:43 | * dcook | wonders if biblios.net is still a thing |
| 06:45 | dcook | Hmm |
| 06:45 | Could just query Koha I suppose... | |
| 06:45 | Well, zebra | |
| 06:49 | magnuse | dcook: what are you trying to do? |
| 06:49 | dcook | I'm writing another Z39.50 interface to do authority searching |
| 06:49 | But finding few databases to use for testing | |
| 06:50 | Library of Congress, LibrariesAustralia have been two options so far | |
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| 06:51 | dcook | Unfortunately, support for Bib-1 attributes seems a bit...spotty |
| 06:53 | Hmm, Koha itself seems rather interesting in this regard too | |
| 06:53 | magnuse | ah, so a way to fetch authority records similar to how we fetch bib records today? |
| 06:56 | dcook | Yep :) |
| 06:58 | magnuse | cool! |
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| 06:59 | dcook | magnuse: Hope so :) |
| 06:59 | Figuring out the right attributes to use is...interesting | |
| 06:59 | asaurat | hi |
| 07:00 | magnuse | yay for koha in the galapagos islands! http://fcd.towiski.de/ |
| 07:01 | dcook | hey ya asaurat |
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| 07:05 | drojf | good morning #koha |
| 07:07 | dcook | morning drojf |
| 07:07 | Hmm, 3am in New York. I'm sure jcamins must still be awake... | |
| 07:07 | drojf | hi dcook |
| 07:08 | dcook: if he does not answer you should probably call him ;) | |
| 07:08 | dcook | lol |
| 07:08 | I'll just pester him tomorrow :p | |
| 07:09 | * dcook | thinks that he's actually starting to understand Zebra's config files |
| 07:09 | dcook | The world might be ending.. |
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| 07:11 | drojf | lol i know that feeling |
| 07:11 | gaetan_B | hello |
| 07:11 | dcook | hey gaetan_B |
| 07:11 | wahanui | it has been said that gaetan_B is working at Biblibre and did the nice new start page together with asaurat or a fan of icons |
| 07:11 | drojf | hi gaetan_B |
| 07:11 | dcook | How is Iraq? |
| 07:11 | gaetan_B | hi :) |
| 07:12 | i came back on friday dcook actually ! | |
| 07:12 | it was nice | |
| 07:12 | i'll go back in June to give them a training and close the project | |
| 07:12 | it seems they want me to give them a complete training in marc21 cataloging though ! | |
| 07:12 | dcook | Power to you ;) |
| 07:13 | I grilled Jared a bit on serial cataloguing earlier today | |
| 07:13 | Even more complex than I previously thought | |
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| 07:20 | dcook | Man...authorities are rather complicated... |
| 07:21 | http://www.itsmarc.com/crs/mer[…]ority_records.htm | |
| 07:23 | Also...http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Z39.50 | |
| 07:23 | "In practice, however, the functional complexity is limited by the uneven implementations by developers and commercial vendors." | |
| 07:24 | Yes! YES! | |
| 07:24 | Exactly! | |
| 07:24 | * dcook | glares at Z39.50 |
| 07:26 | dcook | The Bath profile is maintained by Library and Archives Canada? Hmm... |
| 07:26 | Seeing as they no longer support ILL, I can't imagine the Bath profile is high on the list.. | |
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| 07:33 | huginn | GERMS!!!! |
| 07:33 | wahanui | Germs originated in Germany, before rapidly spreading throughout the rest of the world. |
| 07:33 | kf | back :) |
| 07:34 | * magnuse | thinks MARC and all it's minions (including z39.50) should just go away |
| 07:34 | magnuse | welcome back kf |
| 07:34 | kf | morning magnuse :) |
| 07:35 | dcook | wb kf :) |
| 07:42 | Anyway, it's way past my home time | |
| 07:42 | Night koha folks! | |
| 08:17 | kf | @wunder Konstanz |
| 08:17 | huginn | kf: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is 9.0°C (10:00 AM CEST on April 22, 2013). Conditions: Mist. Humidity: 95%. Dew Point: 8.0°C. Pressure: 30.07 in 1018 hPa (Rising). |
| 08:17 | kf | brr. |
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| 08:27 | magnuse | @wunder boo |
| 08:27 | huginn | magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 8.0°C (10:20 AM CEST on April 22, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 53%. Dew Point: -1.0°C. Windchill: 6.0°C. Pressure: 29.53 in 1000 hPa (Steady). |
| 08:27 | magnuse | hah! |
| 08:27 | and hiya Viktor | |
| 08:28 | kf | hi Viktor |
| 08:28 | magnuse: we had 24 last week... that was so nice | |
| 08:29 | * magnuse | can only imagine :-) |
| 08:32 | Viktor | hi magnuse and kf ! |
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| 09:44 | InfoFinder | hi all.. |
| 09:44 | wahanui | yeah, yeah, hello, hello. Now fix some bugs for me, please. |
| 09:45 | InfoFinder | we've been asked to move a school over from Musac to Koha.. |
| 09:45 | has anyone here had experiance doing that ? | |
| 09:45 | rangi | InfoFinder: the trick will be getting the data out |
| 09:45 | it always is | |
| 09:45 | InfoFinder | any hints ? |
| 09:45 | rangi | can you get the data out of Musac in a sane format? |
| 09:45 | like CSV | |
| 09:46 | InfoFinder | hope so :) |
| 09:46 | checking that side of things now | |
| 09:47 | rangi | must be an nz school if its Musac :) |
| 09:47 | but yeah you have a bunch of options if you can get it out in csv | |
| 09:47 | kf | yeah, never heard of that :) |
| 09:48 | rangi | for the bibliographic data you could use MarcEdit or you could use csvtomarc.pl |
| 09:50 | InfoFinder | yep - it is.. |
| 09:50 | :) | |
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| 09:51 | rangi | hi paul_p |
| 09:51 | paul_p | hi rangi & everybody ! |
| 09:51 | kf | hi paul_p |
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| 09:57 | InfoFinder | i think i've found how to pull the MARC records.. |
| 10:05 | mtj | hi InfoFinder |
| 10:05 | * mtj | waves to all |
| 10:05 | mtj | Joubu, ping… about? |
| 10:07 | Joubu | mtj: pong |
| 10:07 | mtj | heya, i just ponged your email re: qa-tool :) |
| 10:08 | Joubu | mtj: answered :) |
| 10:09 | mtj | ha - cool, will do... |
| 10:09 | InfoFinder | ok - i have a txt file - with a list of what looks like ISBN numbers.. |
| 10:10 | so now - select the file to stage?.. | |
| 10:12 | rangi | hmm you will need actual MARC not just a list of ISBN numbers if you want to import it |
| 10:13 | if you think it is marc, you can use marcdump to convert it to human readable format on a linux box you have MARC::Record installed on, or if you have to use windows then you could look at it with MarcEdit | |
| 10:14 | InfoFinder | hmm they are isbn numbers.. |
| 10:16 | kf | that won't be enough to feed to koha - you could use z39.50 to doanload one record after the other |
| 10:16 | or use some other tool to collect marc records | |
| 10:16 | mtj | InfoFinder, does MUSAC use/understand MARC? |
| 10:17 | … and/or, does it export MARC? | |
| 10:17 | ah, looks like it does.. | |
| 10:17 | http://musac.massey.ac.nz/webo[…]etail&ItemID=4448 | |
| 10:17 | MARC Record: -> (Click here for details) | |
| 10:18 | thats good news :) | |
| 10:23 | jenkins_koha | Starting build #300 for job Koha_3.8.x (previous build: SUCCESS) |
| 10:29 | mtj | InfoFinder, some people copy/paste a list of ISBNs to SCIS, which returns a single big MARC file |
| 10:31 | ...if you have a SCIS subscription, that might work OK for you | |
| 10:32 | InfoFinder | which i don't - personally - ... |
| 10:32 | *thinks* | |
| 10:33 | mtj | i have written some scripts a few years ago, to something similar with SCIS, using their z39 service |
| 10:34 | tho…the catch with that method is - uou dont get all your bib's holding info | |
| 10:40 | InfoFinder | ok.. .so need to find an isbn to marc conversion tool then.. |
| 10:42 | mtj | yep, basically :) |
| 10:43 | ...if you are going to attempt to grab those marc rcords from the intarweb | |
| 10:43 | or, you could focus on grabbing them from your musac system, instead | |
| 10:43 | InfoFinder | trying to figure that |
| 10:44 | there's an mdb file that might contain everything. | |
| 10:44 | mtj | yep, sounds promising |
| 10:44 | InfoFinder | library.mdb |
| 10:45 | mtj | its just a plain old access/jet db file |
| 10:46 | InfoFinder | so chances are there's a 'marc' table? |
| 10:46 | mtj | you can use 'mdb-tools' to poke about within that file |
| 10:47 | -> http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/mdbtools | |
| 10:54 | ok, off for a bit... | |
| 10:55 | InfoFinder, if you get stuck - pop back in the #channel sometime… :) | |
| 10:59 | InfoFinder | stuck - library mdb has a password :P |
| 11:01 | jenkins_koha | Project Koha_3.8.x build #300: SUCCESS in 38 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]b/Koha_3.8.x/300/ |
| 11:01 | Jared Camins-Esakov: Bug 9050: Use safer adelete when deleting records from Zebra index | |
| 11:01 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9050 major, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Pushed to Stable , rebuild_zebra should use the adelete action so it doesn't fail when deleting a record not in the index |
| 11:05 | mtj | InfoFinder, hmm, you may need to ask massey about that, 1st |
| 11:06 | perhaps they can point you to a config file on your box, with the password in it, etc.. | |
| 11:07 | … or tell you that only they know the passwd, and they wont give it to you | |
| 11:08 | … and they will dump your db for you, for an outrageous fee | |
| 11:11 | ok, now i'm reaaally off :) | |
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| 12:25 | oleonard | Hi #koha |
| 12:32 | kf | hi oleonard :) |
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| 12:42 | oleonard | Good morning druthb |
| 12:42 | druthb | o/ g'mornin! |
| 12:43 | kf | hi druthb :) |
| 12:43 | tcohen | morning #koha |
| 12:49 | kf | morning tcohen++ :) |
| 12:49 | druthb | Hi, tcohen n oleonard n kf! :D |
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| 13:06 | tcohen | @later tell rangi: we have new authorities elected at UNC. Next week I'll start looking for funding to get to KohaCon13. Also, i'm starting the procedure to get my US visa |
| 13:06 | huginn | tcohen: The operation succeeded. |
| 13:06 | druthb | tcohen++ |
| 13:08 | kf | tcohen++ |
| 13:08 | did you see there is a koha meeting this week? tomorrow even | |
| 13:08 | tcohen | yes kf |
| 13:09 | jcamins | There's a Koha meeting tomorrow? |
| 13:10 | kf | kohacon :) |
| 13:10 | jcamins | On a Tuesday? |
| 13:10 | Weird. | |
| 13:11 | kf | i haven't set the date |
| 13:11 | jcamins | I know. |
| 13:11 | But it is weird. :) | |
| 13:11 | kf | i might be even wrong *shrug* |
| 13:11 | someone should check | |
| 13:11 | tcohen | may 7? |
| 13:11 | jcamins | Nope. You're right. |
| 13:11 | It's on a weird day. | |
| 13:11 | :) | |
| 13:11 | kf | tcohen: that's the general irc meeting - nancy called for one abotu kohacon :) |
| 13:12 | druthb | http://www.geeksaresexy.net/20[…]elebrities-comic/ #after jcamins laments about ie... |
| 13:12 | kf | would someon be opposed tome adding a file with germany specific marc21 fields to the web installer? |
| 13:12 | the german web installer? | |
| 13:14 | guess that's a no | |
| 13:14 | :) | |
| 13:14 | magnuse | just do it! :-) |
| 13:14 | druthb | kf++ |
| 13:14 | doooo eeeeet! | |
| 13:14 | oleonard | It would make me SO ANGRY!!!1 |
| 13:14 | kf | lol |
| 13:14 | tcohen | druthb: lol, nice one |
| 13:15 | * druthb | throws a straitjacket around oleonard before he gets out of hand. |
| 13:15 | kf | druthb: you can only give me karma after I did something, notb efore |
| 13:15 | druthb | wait, what? |
| 13:15 | wahanui | wait, is, like, it only in items |
| 13:15 | druthb | I need a *reason* to give you karma? |
| 13:15 | wahanui: botsnack cookie | |
| 13:15 | wahanui | thanks druthb :) |
| 13:15 | kf | druthb: yep |
| 13:16 | druthb | nuh-uh! |
| 13:16 | kf++ | |
| 13:16 | jcamins | kf: I think that's a great idea! |
| 13:17 | magnuse | but is it marc21 if there are fields specific to germany? ;-) |
| 13:17 | kf | it is |
| 13:17 | druthb | oleonard: I just can't picture you getting worked up about much of anything, you know that? |
| 13:17 | kf | it's 9xx and the like |
| 13:17 | oly they agreedon the use nationally | |
| 13:18 | * tcohen | was secretly confident unit tests were candidates for headaches in bug 9819 |
| 13:18 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9819 minor, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Failed QA , stopwords related code should be removed |
| 13:18 | kf | and as koha forgets fields that don't exist in the framework... and I don't like data loss... |
| 13:18 | jcamins | magnuse: it's more like MARCeinundzwanzig. |
| 13:18 | oleonard | druthb: I save that for when my kids refuse to put on their shoes. *sigh* |
| 13:18 | tcohen | what's the fun kf? http://9gag.com/gag/aWQr50n?ref=fbp |
| 13:19 | druthb | heh. I got my kids past that at a young age. At the time, we lived on a gravel drive. "Fine, you don't wanna wear shoes. C'mon, then." |
| 13:19 | tcohen | are those numbers in german? |
| 13:19 | druthb | A couple of strolls in the gravel cured them. |
| 13:20 | * magnuse | makes notes about gravel |
| 13:20 | druthb | Kids: ouch! Me: Hurry up! Kids: but… Me: well, if you'd worn *shoes*… |
| 13:21 | My kids are *good* at that line of reasoning. | |
| 13:21 | tcohen | @wunder cordoba, argentina |
| 13:21 | huginn | tcohen: The current temperature in Cordoba, Argentina is 22.0°C (10:00 AM ART on April 22, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 60%. Dew Point: 14.0°C. Pressure: 30.15 in 1021 hPa (Steady). |
| 13:21 | druthb | @wunder 77098 |
| 13:21 | huginn | druthb: The current temperature in Morningside Place, Houston, Texas is 16.8°C (8:20 AM CDT on April 22, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 84%. Pressure: 30.07 in 1018 hPa (Steady). |
| 13:22 | kf | tcohen: yep |
| 13:22 | einstein = one stone | |
| 13:22 | zweistein = two stones... and so on | |
| 13:23 | tcohen | oh :-D |
| 13:24 | magnuse | @wunder boo |
| 13:24 | huginn | magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 9.0°C (2:50 PM CEST on April 22, 2013). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 62%. Dew Point: 2.0°C. Pressure: 29.47 in 998 hPa (Falling). |
| 13:24 | magnuse | w00t! |
| 13:25 | * jcamins | heads off for an 11am meeting on the other side of the world (aka Brooklyn) |
| 13:26 | kf | save travels :) |
| 13:26 | safe travels? | |
| 13:26 | safe. | |
| 13:27 | magnuse++ | |
| 13:31 | i'd really love if someone could take a look at the marc21 frameowrk updates bgkriegel did | |
| 13:31 | bug 9826 | |
| 13:31 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9826 normal, P5 - low, ---, bgkriegel, Needs Signoff , Missing fields in MARC21 authority framework |
| 13:32 | kf | bug 5858 |
| 13:32 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5858 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Needs Signoff , Default frameworks missing many MARC21 tags |
| 13:33 | kf | jcamins: hm 9819 - didn't you have the test data from jenkins somewhere? |
| 13:33 | maybe you could point tcohen to it? | |
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| 13:38 | mtompset | Greetings, #koha. |
| 13:38 | I thought that: warn "blah"; would go into some log file somewhere, but I can't find it. | |
| 13:39 | tcohen | I found that warn in a CGI writes in the /var/log/koha files |
| 13:39 | but in the .pm libs it doesnt | |
| 13:40 | mtompset | Okay... that explains that. |
| 13:40 | tcohen | maybe you could carp instead |
| 13:40 | mtompset | carp? |
| 13:40 | tcohen | use Carp; |
| 13:40 | mtompset | haven't used that before. |
| 13:40 | tcohen | it is used in several places, but i don't know if it makes any difference thou :-D |
| 13:41 | looks like it should work | |
| 13:42 | grep -l "use Carp;" * | |
| 13:42 | mtompset | Doing that now. ;) |
| 13:42 | tcohen | i missed the -R for grep |
| 13:43 | mtompset | The kohaclone directory is small enough for a grep blah `find .` ;) |
| 13:43 | tcohen | :-P |
| 13:45 | hmm, db_dependent tests return the same wether zebrasrv is running or not? | |
| 13:45 | (searching) | |
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| 13:54 | * mtompset | sighs, "Can't seem to get it to work?!" |
| 13:59 | tcohen | mtompset: what's the problem? |
| 13:59 | wahanui | i guess the problem is it's human beings doing it. Rebuild your indexes. |
| 13:59 | mtompset | just trying to get some "print blah" type messages into my testing code to see where the problem with the patch is. |
| 14:01 | tcohen | did you try carp? |
| 14:02 | mtompset | yep... print STDERR "blah\n"; |
| 14:02 | That at least seems to work. -- Yes, I know it is ugly. | |
| 14:02 | tcohen | its debugging, it doesn't need to be elegant |
| 14:02 | oleonard | Why not "warn" ? |
| 14:02 | mtompset | warn didn' |
| 14:02 | t | |
| 14:03 | work in .pm file. | |
| 14:03 | And I'm not trying to understand why. | |
| 14:04 | tcohen | http://perldoc.perl.org/Carp.html#DESCRIPTION |
| 14:04 | oleonard | warn works fine for me in a .pm file. Are you sure you're looking at the right log? |
| 14:05 | mtompset | I tried looking at the apache2 logs AND the koha logs. |
| 14:06 | print STDERR works for Auth.pm, but the new Auth_with_Shibboleth.pm nothing comes out?! | |
| 14:08 | oleonard | Nice snippet from opac-advsearch.tt: [% IF ( if_expanded_options_actually_worked ) %] |
| 14:09 | Time to maybe take that section out? :P | |
| 14:09 | mtompset | TimeToRefactorItIntoSomeOtherNamingConvention. :P |
| 14:10 | use blah; is basically a require blah; import blah ...;? | |
| 14:10 | Right? | |
| 14:15 | DOH! I'm half awake. Looking at the wrong function. | |
| 14:15 | obi-one error strikes again. | |
| 14:17 | * magnuse | wanders off in search of edibles |
| 14:18 | * kf | hopes magnuse finds some |
| 14:22 | tcohen | @later tell eythian I need to add --disabled to koha-list to ease the bash-completion thing |
| 14:22 | huginn | tcohen: The operation succeeded. |
| 14:23 | mtompset | Okay... broken, but in a better way. :) |
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| 14:28 | mtompset | Greetings, libsysguy. :) |
| 14:29 | libsysguy | morning mtompset |
| 14:30 | * druthb | chucks Skittles at libsysguy. |
| 14:31 | mtompset | Greetings, oleonard tcohen druthb. :) |
| 14:31 | -- don't want anyone to feel left out. :) | |
| 14:31 | libsysguy | don't make me come down there druthb |
| 14:32 | druthb | hi, mtompset! |
| 14:32 | mtompset | Why the skittles, druthb? |
| 14:32 | libsysguy | druthb knows I prefer m&m's |
| 14:32 | druthb | libsysguy: at least I didn't use my slingshot. |
| 14:32 | …and as for coming down here, "bring it, youngster." | |
| 14:32 | * mtompset | laughs, "A skittles vs. M&M's war?" |
| 14:33 | libsysguy | its almost as old as the VIM vs Emacs war mtompset |
| 14:33 | hehe druthb :p | |
| 14:33 | * druthb | got her nails done Friday, and is feeling sassy today. Best look out. |
| 14:33 | oleonard | Peanut M&Ms are superior in both flavor and projectile quality. |
| 14:33 | kf | lol |
| 14:34 | libsysguy | I will concede the latter point oleonard |
| 14:34 | druthb | oleonard: only if you're looking for some serious *thud*. For a more-stinging result, Skittles. Also, Skittles are *nasty* to eat, and make better ammo than wasting perfectly good M&Ms |
| 14:34 | oleonard | Very true. |
| 14:34 | wahanui | I know. That's why I said it. |
| 14:34 | mtompset | Almost sounds like a Skittles commercial, "Feel the rainbow." |
| 14:35 | druthb | wahanui: botsnack Skittles. |
| 14:35 | wahanui | :) |
| 14:35 | * oleonard | considers maybe a Jolly Rancher... |
| 14:35 | druthb | ooooh. |
| 14:35 | oleonard | That would really smart. |
| 14:35 | druthb | yes, it would. |
| 14:35 | mtompset | jawbreakers? ;) |
| 14:36 | druthb | jawbreakers have the nice aerodynamic round shape. |
| 14:36 | libsysguy | jollyranchers have a fantastic sticking property when property wetted |
| 14:36 | * mtompset | nods, "And probably would hurt more too -- if that is part of the goal." |
| 14:37 | mtompset | That's gross, not just mean, libsysguy. |
| 14:37 | libsysguy | shoot…I just proke perl |
| 14:37 | druthb | If sticky was the goal, would chuck gummy bears. or gummy worms, which are ickier. |
| 14:38 | libsysguy | the bright crawlers are delish |
| 14:38 | mtompset | but they don't hurt as much, and I thought the dispute was M&M's vs. Skittles. |
| 14:39 | libsysguy | I knew there was a reason I was missing #koha |
| 14:39 | :p | |
| 14:39 | druthb | libsysguy: http://goo.gl/ioCqg |
| 14:39 | oleonard | Whoa. |
| 14:39 | mtompset | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E-JRXTuqNII |
| 14:39 | libsysguy | I did not think that was a gummy worm at first glance |
| 14:39 | mtompset | (Skittles Gun) |
| 14:43 | 4000 calories?! Eat that over 2 days. ;) | |
| 14:43 | * libsysguy | loves calories |
| 14:43 | libsysguy | calories don't love me back |
| 14:47 | druthb | calories *love* me, as evidenced by my panoramic physique. |
| 14:49 | gmcharlt | @quote random |
| 14:49 | huginn | gmcharlt: Quote #164: "<sekjal> word of advice to folks: take an aspirin before reading C4/Overdues.pm" (added by wizzyrea at 09:08 PM, November 14, 2011) |
| 14:49 | * gmcharlt | is firmly of the opninon that worms are for birds! |
| 14:49 | gmcharlt | ;) |
| 14:49 | (even the gummi ones) | |
| 14:49 | druthb | gmcharlt++ |
| 14:50 | mtompset | And trix are for kids? ;) |
| 14:50 | janPasi | hi guys |
| 14:50 | i have a question: | |
| 14:51 | is it enough to just change the visibility of marc subfields in the framework structure to make the fields visible in OPAC? | |
| 14:51 | oleonard | No |
| 14:51 | gmcharlt | janPasi: in general, no |
| 14:51 | janPasi | ok, i need to edit xslt or something? |
| 14:52 | kf | yes |
| 14:52 | janPasi | where are the xslt sheets for opac in koha? |
| 14:53 | libsysguy | http://git.koha-community.org/[…]109675bef;hb=HEAD |
| 14:54 | ^^ janPasi | |
| 14:54 | janPasi | ok, found them, thanks :) |
| 14:55 | now i just need to find out which sheet is for which page :D | |
| 14:57 | libsysguy | are you looking to change the results page or the display single item page |
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| 15:06 | janPasi | single item page is mainly what i'm after at this point |
| 15:06 | libsysguy | you probably want http://git.koha-community.org/[…]etail.xsl;hb=HEAD |
| 15:06 | clrh | koha-restful is now officialy in gpl v3 ;) cc kf paul_p and jared when he 'll be back |
| 15:06 | libsysguy | assuming you're using marc21 |
| 15:07 | janPasi | yeah, that's what i thought :) |
| 15:07 | is there a wikipage or some other documentation that explains xslt? | |
| 15:07 | it seems pretty complicated | |
| 15:07 | oleonard | janPasi: You must travel to the planet Dagobah... |
| 15:08 | janPasi | :o |
| 15:08 | what's that? :D | |
| 15:08 | kf | clrh: thx :) |
| 15:08 | oleonard | janPasi: There you will train with Yoda, the Jedi master |
| 15:08 | kf | @later tell jcamins - (17:06:57) clrh: koha-restful is now officialy in gpl v3 ;) cc kf paul_p and jared when he 'll be back |
| 15:08 | huginn | kf: The operation succeeded. |
| 15:08 | janPasi | oh, that easy, huh? :D |
| 15:09 | clrh | thx kf |
| 15:09 | oleonard | janPasi: I don't know that we have any Koha-specific documentation on it, but you can Google XSLT and get lots of resources |
| 15:09 | janPasi: I usually find that I can puzzle out how to make minor changes. | |
| 15:09 | rambutan | @seen paul_p |
| 15:09 | huginn | rambutan: paul_p was last seen in #koha 5 hours, 18 minutes, and 31 seconds ago: <paul_p> hi rangi & everybody ! |
| 15:12 | janPasi | oleonard: ok, we'll see :D |
| 15:15 | paul_p | rambutan i'm here if you need me |
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| 15:24 | reiveune | bye |
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| 15:37 | janPasi | there is a bug in dealing with subject headings in opac |
| 15:37 | for example: | |
| 15:37 | http://gmc.koha.kepa.fi/cgi-bi[…]%20and%20su:Suomi | |
| 15:38 | now if you point and click the subject(s) koha only searches with the first subject heading | |
| 15:38 | if you disable xslt altogether, it works very smartly | |
| 15:39 | in that case if you point and click the first subject heading, the search is done with it | |
| 15:39 | if you point at the second subject heading in chain, the search is done with the first subject heading AND the second subject heading | |
| 15:39 | and so on | |
| 15:39 | that's the way it should do with xslt also | |
| 15:40 | should i report this as a bug or is it known already? | |
| 15:48 | jwagner | janPasi, this is supposedly fixed -- see Bug 4276 |
| 15:48 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4276 critical, PATCH-Sent (DO NOT USE), ---, jcamins, CLOSED FIXED, "Related subjects" search doesn't work with XSLT on and chained subject terms |
| 15:48 | janPasi | jwagner: oh, ok :) |
| 15:49 | gmcharlt | janPasi: jwagner: I think that's a different bug from what janPasi is asking for |
| 15:50 | having the XSLT view of subject headings progressively build up the search string with a separate link on each subdivision would be (IMO) an enhancement to the XSLT templates | |
| 15:50 | and a new bug could be filed as such | |
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| 15:52 | kf | gmcharlt: hm maybe you can do something like that - there are several switches and this new popup feature in 3.12 |
| 15:53 | gmcharlt | kf: yeah, I should play around with those |
| 15:53 | kf | we only have very few loc subjects in our data, so I am not quite understanding how it works still |
| 15:55 | janPasi | gmcharlt: so how does it work with this bugfix? |
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| 15:55 | alohabot | Hi mib_ssgz4m, Welcome to #koha. Feel free to use the '/nick yourname' command to choose a different name. alohabot, wahanui, and huginn are bots. If you need any help, just ask - there's usually someone around to help :) |
| 15:56 | janPasi | gmcharlt: searches with all the subject headings? |
| 15:57 | sudhir | . |
| 16:00 | tcohen | what's a possible for the creation of a koha instance in a packages setup¡ |
| 16:00 | s/¡/?/ | |
| 16:00 | s/possible/possible check/ | |
| 16:01 | gmcharlt | janPasi: re 4276? that patch was pushed nearly two years ago; the effect it had is what you're seeing now |
| 16:01 | khall | question: what does notify_id and notify_level in the accountlines table refer to? |
| 16:01 | janPasi | gmcharlt: well it still doesn't work :D |
| 16:02 | gmcharlt | janPasi: like I said, what you're asking for is a different issue |
| 16:02 | janPasi | i'd be happy if it did the search with all the subject heading in a chain, but it doesn't :( |
| 16:02 | gmcharlt | and "does not work" is too strong of a statement -- there can be an honest difference of opinion regarding whether subdivisions shoujld get their own links |
| 16:02 | janPasi | *headings |
| 16:02 | * gmcharlt | rereads scrollback |
| 16:03 | janPasi | well this isn't working by any standards |
| 16:03 | gmcharlt | ah, hold on a second |
| 16:03 | janPasi | since it just ignores most of the headings in chain |
| 16:03 | gmcharlt | try turning on the TraceSubjectSubdivisions system preference |
| 16:04 | janPasi | oh, ok |
| 16:04 | now it works well enough :) | |
| 16:04 | gmcharlt | cool |
| 16:05 | janPasi | i'd still prefer it building up progressively, but this will do for now :) |
| 16:05 | thanks :) | |
| 16:18 | mtompset | Oh that Federation tab on the SimpleSamlPHP page is so useful when there's a metadata problem. :) |
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| 16:57 | gaetan_B | bye |
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| 17:30 | cait | hi :) |
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| 17:51 | oleonard | http://zivotdesign.com/zp/Koha[…]c-detail-page.png |
| 17:52 | cait | nice! |
| 17:55 | magnuse | pretty! |
| 17:55 | wahanui | pretty is, like, subjective |
| 17:55 | magnuse | yeah, yeah... |
| 17:55 | gmcharlt | oleonard++ |
| 18:04 | magnuse | yeah oleonard++ |
| 18:04 | and packages++ btw | |
| 18:04 | cait | magnuse++ oleonard++ :) |
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| 18:09 | maximep | oleonard++ looks great! |
| 18:16 | oleonard | Thanks everyone. It's just a start. |
| 18:36 | mtompset | Well. I'm off to be a slave to my schedule. Have a great day (24 hour period), everyone. |
| 18:37 | jcamins | bug 9819 |
| 18:37 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9819 minor, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Failed QA , stopwords related code should be removed |
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| 18:38 | jcamins | @later tell tcohen I'll test Plack patches, if I'm able. |
| 18:38 | huginn | jcamins: The operation succeeded. |
| 18:45 | jcamins | Could someone please look at orderreceive.pl and confirm for me whether I am right in thinking that the label should be "Fund" and not "Budget"? |
| 18:46 | cait | you are probably right |
| 18:46 | i tihnk the only place it soudl be budget is the budgets and funds pages | |
| 18:49 | jcamins | I was asked about making it possible to choose between active budgets on the order receive page if more than one budget with the fund code selected for a given item is active. |
| 18:50 | cait | ok let me reread that sentence |
| 18:51 | ah | |
| 18:51 | yeah in general we should have a more sane way of displying it | |
| 18:51 | it will happen when you have multiple years active | |
| 18:51 | which can happend end of year | |
| 18:51 | jcamins | Exactly. |
| 18:51 | cait | i would welcome a sane display |
| 18:51 | the other problem is hierarchies | |
| 18:51 | we don't dipslay them nicely... but harder to do and probably not funded | |
| 18:51 | but that owuld be a nice one | |
| 18:51 | jcamins | I was told that it happens around the end of the fiscal year and the beginning of the next... which means 4-6 months of the year! |
| 18:51 | cait | i mean what you said will be already quite nice |
| 18:51 | yep | |
| 18:51 | a lot | |
| 18:52 | often you have orders coming in late | |
| 18:56 | jcamins | I was also asked about (optionally) overriding AcqCreateItem on a per-basket basis. |
| 19:03 | cait | also nice |
| 19:03 | it will require fixing something | |
| 19:03 | that they broke | |
| 19:03 | jcamins | oleonard++ # OAC + Bootstrap looks beautiful |
| 19:03 | cait | in the begining when this was introduced (acqcreateitem) you ycould test it with each setting |
| 19:04 | and koha would do the right thing on receive | |
| 19:05 | jcamins | oleonard: how did you do the actions area on the right? Is that a Bootstrap well? |
| 19:05 | cait | i mean the setting would only matter for ordering new baskets |
| 19:05 | oleonard | No, just a styled div |
| 19:05 | cait | I think since then more code depending on the setting has crept in - but it would be nice if koha would detect items that have been created |
| 19:06 | and act accordingly | |
| 19:06 | jcamins | I like that style a lot. |
| 19:06 | oleonard | Trying to be CCSRish |
| 19:07 | jcamins | I like that a lot better than what CCR has right now. :) |
| 19:07 | *CCSR | |
| 19:09 | * jcamins | was referring to the Koha theme, not a rock band from the late sixties and early seventies. |
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| 19:11 | tcohen | 『3hi |
| 19:14 | jcamins | jeff: koha-restful has been explicitly licensed GPLv3+: http://git.biblibre.com/?p=koh[…]8bbcbb5e2;hb=HEAD (in case you didn't see clrh's announcement before) |
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| 20:08 | rambutan | @wunder 64507 |
| 20:08 | huginn | rambutan: The current temperature in Wyatt Park, St Joseph, Missouri is 17.9°C (3:08 PM CDT on April 22, 2013). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 57%. Dew Point: 9.0°C. Pressure: 29.97 in 1015 hPa (Steady). |
| 20:09 | oleonard | Is the "scan index" feature active in the OPAC? |
| 20:10 | I see it in the template but no indication of how to trigger it | |
| 20:12 | jcamins | oleonard: no. |
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| 20:13 | oleonard | Alright, out it goes |
| 20:14 | tcohen | oleonard++ for that opac snapshot |
| 20:17 | oleonard | See you tomorrow #koha |
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| 20:46 | Guest3097 | Hello and good day to you all |
| 20:47 | cait | hi Guest3097 ;) |
| 20:48 | Guest3097 | I have been able to successfully install KOHA and created the koha instance, but I need guidance from here on |
| 20:49 | My koha admin page is not loading... | |
| 20:49 | cait | what do you see? |
| 20:49 | Guest3097 | Server not available |
| 20:49 | cait | hm |
| 20:49 | Guest3097 | But the ip address resoves to the OPAC page |
| 20:49 | wizzyrea | is apache running? mysql? |
| 20:50 | did you change something? | |
| 20:50 | Guest3097 | like what? |
| 20:50 | I follow the instructions as I have been advised after re-installing my server and all went on smooth up till this point | |
| 20:53 | wizzyrea | are you listening on the right ports? |
| 20:53 | is apache listening on the right ports, I mean | |
| 20:53 | what you describe really sounds like an apache configuration issue | |
| 20:54 | Guest3097 | ok, on port 80 |
| 20:55 | I use khadmin for admin page and library for opac page all configured | |
| 21:00 | hello, I checked and it seems like apache is running, do I paste the result? | |
| 21:04 | Hello, please I am currently looking at the apache config file for my site, I think I mixed up the servernames for the OPAC and intranet | |
| 21:05 | intranet should be the admin page, I am correct? | |
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| 22:28 | Guest3097 | Hello, just to let you know that I have configured it to work with IP and I have finally complete the installation. I AM SO GLAD IT WORKS, at last |
| 22:28 | Thank you all for your support | |
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| 23:09 | eythian_levin | hi |
| 23:14 | trea | hi eythian_levin |
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| 23:43 | cjh | http://www.freedomsponsors.org/ |
| 23:43 | currently only support paypal and bitcoin, but it is open source https://github.com/freedomsponsors | |
| 23:43 | wizzyrea | oo cool |
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