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| 00:06 | rgbv joined #koha | |
| 00:06 | rangi | hiya rgbv |
| 00:07 | rgbv | hi rangi |
| 00:10 | hey, the koha news that we've added to the slip isn't printing on the quickslip, but it is on the slip in 3.10.3... any ideas how to get it to show up on the quickslip? | |
| 00:12 | sivoais_ joined #koha | |
| 00:12 | dcook_ joined #koha | |
| 00:14 | dcook_ | Neato. Thanks for the Andchat recommendation, eythian :D |
| 00:14 | eythian | no problem |
| 00:17 | dcook_ joined #koha | |
| 00:18 | rangi | hmm i think it only prints on the slip by design ... im not sure about that though i will check with wizzyrea when she gets back |
| 00:21 | rgbv | it used to print on both, we had library contact details on it, quite useful for us, thanks for having a look :) |
| 00:22 | eythian | it comes from a notice template now doesn't it? |
| 00:24 | rangi | could be, you might have to edit the template to add the news thingy |
| 00:24 | might be worth trying rgbv | |
| 00:24 | fredy joined #koha | |
| 00:25 | rgbv | ok, is that printslip.tt ? |
| 00:26 | eythian | no, a notice |
| 00:26 | Tools -> Notices | |
| 00:26 | rangi | ah yes we moved them all into the admin interface so you dont need to edit files |
| 00:26 | thats right | |
| 00:26 | good thinking eythian | |
| 00:27 | rgbv | ahh, right, missed that one, you're on to it eythian |
| 00:33 | hankbank joined #koha | |
| 00:37 | quocuy joined #koha | |
| 00:51 | mtj | haay eythian, what about this one? -> http://search.cpan.org/~davido[…]/Random/Secure.pm |
| 00:51 | re: bug 9611 | |
| 00:51 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9611 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Failed QA , Changing the password hashing algorithm from MD5 to more secure Bcrypt |
| 00:53 | eythian | mtj: cjh is writing a simple wrapper around /dev/random that's probably the lowest maintenance method |
| 00:54 | cjh | currently it is around /dev/random and /dev/urandom depending upon how you ask it :) |
| 00:57 | mtj | hmm, i dont think Bytes::Random::Secure is a deb package yet… :/ |
| 00:57 | so thats an added hassle , if we use it | |
| 00:58 | ah, its in sid -> http://packages.debian.org/sid[…]andom-secure-perl | |
| 00:59 | hiya cjh :) | |
| 01:00 | i like the simple wrapper plan, too | |
| 01:00 | cjh | we could also package the dep ourselves, but a seed doesnt have to be cryptographically secure as long as it is unique and non-predictable. |
| 01:01 | so I went with the thing wrapper (it was what Crypt::Random was doing, but it had Math::Pari deps which are impossible) | |
| 01:01 | bag | hey mtj |
| 01:01 | cjh | mtj: I was planning to mention this sometime, thanks for bringing it up :) |
| 01:02 | mtj | hey bagz |
| 01:06 | cjh, i thought there might have been a case for Crypt::Random::TESHA2 being weakish, but good enuff for a seed | |
| 01:06 | cjh | we could also try crypt::openssl::random which is in squeeze but requires a good seed |
| 01:09 | jcamins | Bah. |
| 01:10 | I wrote a non-object-oriented function in PHP. | |
| 01:10 | I can't figure out how to use it. | |
| 01:10 | cjh | mtj: we would have to package it ourselves, but it doesnt look obviously too hard. |
| 01:11 | mtj | cjh, yeah that too :/ |
| 01:11 | anyhoo… something to think about :) | |
| 01:14 | dcook | jcamins: Using PHP? :o |
| 01:14 | Does anyone know off-hand when the SQL report web service was introduced? 3.10? | |
| 01:14 | jcamins | dcook: yeah, I hate it. |
| 01:15 | rangi | yep |
| 01:15 | dcook | Thanks, rangi |
| 01:15 | jcamins: Then why use it? | |
| 01:15 | rangi | dcook: well that was the first release it was in anyway |
| 01:15 | cjh | mtj: thanks for the digging around :) |
| 01:16 | * jcamins | shrugs |
| 01:16 | dcook | rangi: I just need to know if it'll be available when we move a particular library over to 3.10 :) |
| 01:17 | rangi | yep |
| 01:18 | dcook | Sweet :) |
| 01:19 | Actually, I've been wondering a bit about using jQuery to call the web service and output the results on an existing page | |
| 01:21 | That would require jQuery's ajax method, yes? | |
| 01:21 | rangi | thats what i wrote it for yes |
| 01:21 | :) | |
| 01:21 | dcook | Cool beans :) |
| 01:21 | rangi | throw some js in opacjs |
| 01:21 | cjh | we used it to make all sorts of pretty graphs in jquery :) |
| 01:21 | rangi | or opacmain |
| 01:21 | etc | |
| 01:21 | and voila a graph on your opac | |
| 01:22 | dcook | A graph you say? |
| 01:22 | rangi | yep |
| 01:22 | look up jqplot | |
| 01:22 | dcook | Mmm, looks familiar ;) |
| 01:23 | I was thinking of calling up some data and then outputting it into a table using the jquery Datatable | |
| 01:23 | rangi | yep, could do that too |
| 01:24 | you could totally graph the circ requests and show that in the staff client | |
| 01:24 | eythian | I forsee a world of 3D pie charts :/ |
| 01:24 | rangi | broken down by station/machine |
| 01:24 | and see which ones are busy | |
| 01:24 | mostly i did it for newbooks | |
| 01:24 | on the opac | |
| 01:24 | cos its much easier than the ways we have now | |
| 01:25 | and you can cache the results too | |
| 01:25 | so you dont hammer the server doing reports | |
| 01:25 | dcook | Mmm, I had forgotten about the caching |
| 01:26 | Yeah, I like it for new books as well | |
| 01:26 | But really...possibilities are subject to imagination | |
| 01:26 | jcamins | You know, I don't have any trouble writing recursive algorithms in Perl. |
| 01:26 | So why is it that they're so damn hard to write in JS and PHP? | |
| 01:26 | dcook | C'est une bonne question, jcamins |
| 01:27 | What's the issue with the PHP one? | |
| 01:27 | I had some issues at first, but I got one working the other day. | |
| 01:27 | jcamins | dcook: I'm not sure yet. |
| 01:35 | Other than the obvious issue that I hate programming. | |
| 01:36 | eythian | hate PHP, it can take it |
| 01:37 | wahanui: rex manning is <reply>Rex Manning day is the 8th of April. http://www.mrkeroppi.com/origi[…]-rex-manning-day/ | |
| 01:37 | wahanui | OK, eythian. |
| 01:44 | dcook | jcamins: You hate programming? |
| 01:47 | jcamins | dcook: yes. |
| 01:47 | mtj | i have recently (since xmas) starting dabbling in writing a video game in perl-sdl |
| 01:47 | cjh | mtj: awesome! |
| 01:48 | wahanui | That'll be $1 for the awesome jar, cjh |
| 01:48 | cjh | gets me everytime. |
| 01:48 | mtj | ^^ its making programming more fun for me |
| 01:49 | dcook | You're the second "techie" person that I've heard say that in recent memory. I remember you saying that you decided not to be a software developer before you headed to college, but...I figured you didn't like the IT world. Why don't you like programming? (If you don't mind me asking) |
| 01:49 | jcamins | Okay. This is bizarre. |
| 01:49 | PHP's equality operators... | |
| 01:49 | uhhh... | |
| 01:49 | wtf? | |
| 01:50 | dcook | == vs === ? |
| 01:50 | jcamins | Right. |
| 01:50 | == did not work. | |
| 01:50 | dcook | When were you using it? |
| 01:51 | Usually == should work, but I know if you're using stripos or strpos you'll need to use === | |
| 01:51 | jcamins | Ah. |
| 01:51 | dcook | http://www.php.net/manual/en/l[…]rs.comparison.php |
| 01:51 | jcamins | That's why. |
| 01:52 | cjh | jcamins: have you read http://me.veekun.com/blog/2012[…]al-of-bad-design/ ? |
| 01:53 | dcook | Mmm, I was wondering where that blog post resides... |
| 01:53 | jcamins | I think I have, yes. |
| 01:56 | sivoais joined #koha | |
| 01:56 | jcamins | I don't particularly like Perl so I decided to use a different language, and PHP seemed the best choice. |
| 01:57 | cjh | :o |
| 01:57 | eythian | hahahahahaha |
| 01:57 | hahahahah | |
| 01:57 | ahahaha | |
| 01:57 | heh | |
| 01:57 | cjh | eythian++ |
| 01:57 | jcamins | eythian: but consider the options. |
| 01:57 | eythian | yes, and yet you picked PHP |
| 01:57 | jcamins | Python: "Hi, see this space? IT MEANS SOMETHING VERY IMPORTANT." |
| 01:58 | eythian | PHP: "bluuuuurg." |
| 01:58 | jcamins | Ruby: "Screw you, I'm not going to compile." |
| 01:58 | Haskell: wtf? | |
| 01:59 | mtj | i really like the way python code looks, its the least squiggly of the bunch |
| 01:59 | ^^ my 2 cents :) | |
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| 02:00 | jcamins | I can always rewrite in Perl if I decide that's the best option. |
| 02:02 | rangi | go |
| 02:02 | dcook | Cataloguing interface? |
| 02:02 | eythian | You should rewrite it in Perl. PHP is not the best option. |
| 02:02 | rangi | :) |
| 02:03 | jcamins | Yeah. |
| 02:03 | eythian: but Perl isn't exactly a thrilling option either. | |
| 02:03 | cjh | rangi: do you mean 'go do it' or 'go the language' ? |
| 02:03 | rangi | seriously do it in go |
| 02:03 | cjh | :) |
| 02:03 | rangi | :) |
| 02:03 | eythian | PHP will make you stupider. |
| 02:04 | rangi | http://golang.org/ |
| 02:04 | cjh | I have only played with go a little bit, but I really like it. Have to write something serious in it at some point. |
| 02:04 | rangi | *nod* me too |
| 02:04 | cjh | tour.golong.org is really cool |
| 02:04 | and that is how the koha-go port began... | |
| 02:04 | wizzyrea | Kohago is a cool-ish name |
| 02:05 | it probably means "poop" in some languatge. | |
| 02:05 | cjh | heh |
| 02:05 | wizzyrea | language. |
| 02:05 | wahanui | rumour has it language is filed letter by letter word by word |
| 02:05 | wizzyrea | you knew what I meant |
| 02:05 | jcamins | Actually... go looks surprisingly not awful. |
| 02:05 | Not very Ruby-like. | |
| 02:06 | cjh | it is kind of python-esque, but with {} and some cool ideas around concurrency and types. |
| 02:08 | eythian | jcamins: you should be using it as a chance to work with Perl 6 anyway |
| 02:09 | cjh | there is also perl5i and/or modern perl, they have the advantage of actually existing. |
| 02:10 | eythian | Perl 6 exists |
| 02:11 | apt-get install rakudo | |
| 02:11 | cjh | oh wow, parrot apparently exists too. The future is here. |
| 02:12 | eythian | It's been there for quite some time :) |
| 02:13 | jcamins | dcook: and, in answer to your earlier question, programming is about telling the computer how to go about solving problems that shouldn't exist. |
| 02:13 | eythian | why should problems not exist? |
| 02:13 | jcamins | Oh, problems should exist. |
| 02:13 | What shouldn't exist are the problems that I spend all my time "solving" as a programmer. | |
| 02:14 | dcook | Mmmm |
| 02:14 | jcamins | If I'm lucky, in the past decade and a half I might have written three things that were not simply reimplementations of something that has already been done a million times. |
| 02:15 | dcook | Admittedly, this is something that I ponder from time to time |
| 02:16 | eythian | well, you just need to solve them in a portable way once and for all then :) |
| 02:16 | dcook | I'm not sure that's what he means though, eythian |
| 02:16 | eythian | I suspect it's not, no :) |
| 02:16 | jcamins | Hehe. |
| 02:17 | dcook | I wonder sometimes about all the duplicated code and wasted effort. The re-engineering that everyone does to make "their program" work. |
| 02:17 | But I suppose that's no different than anything. | |
| 02:18 | jcamins | But take this simple recursive array search that I just wrote.. |
| 02:18 | There is *nothing* about this algorithm that is new. | |
| 02:18 | I don't even have an unusual data structure. | |
| 02:19 | dcook | I had that exact same thought when I wrote my recursive array search the other day :p |
| 02:19 | jcamins | It looks something like this: { 'object' => {'children' => [ 'otherobject' => ... |
| 02:20 | dcook | Depending on what you were doing, I suppose you could've used the RecursiveArrayIterator class? |
| 02:21 | jcamins | Probably. |
| 02:21 | dcook | That said, wouldn't it be rather odd if your algorithm were new? |
| 02:21 | jcamins | Sadly they appear to have forgotten to have explained what to do with that class. |
| 02:21 | Sure, but why am I writing them? | |
| 02:22 | dcook | Because you're trying to solve an existing problem with a slightly different solution |
| 02:22 | jcamins | Why are billions of dollars spent *every day* to have people write them? |
| 02:22 | dcook | Hmm |
| 02:22 | Stubbornness, lack of collaboration, ignorance, independence, | |
| 02:23 | I'm sure you could boil down all the world's problems to a rather select few | |
| 02:23 | you = one | |
| 02:23 | jcamins | Yes. |
| 02:23 | dcook | Capitalism also helps with the spending :p |
| 02:23 | jcamins | True. |
| 02:24 | dcook | Even if you were writing something new, it would still be an attempt to solve an existing problem, me thinks |
| 02:24 | But that something new would be an "innovation" | |
| 02:25 | Rather than... | |
| 02:25 | eythian | what you should do is create a new language that makes it really easy to develop and share generic solutions... |
| 02:25 | jcamins | eythian: lol |
| 02:25 | dcook | hehe |
| 02:27 | jcamins | But that's why I hate programming. |
| 02:27 | dcook | Fair enough. I appreciate the explanation :) |
| 02:35 | jcamins | Also, I'm easily bored. |
| 02:36 | dcook | I think I love programming, because it gives one the ability to solve problems, and if you think locally enough...it's all good |
| 02:37 | Locally being the library world or even a particular library | |
| 02:37 | But I've always been library mad ;) | |
| 02:37 | Easily bored, hence only 100 pierogi? :p | |
| 02:38 | jcamins | Right. |
| 02:39 | dcook | So what made you decide to get your librarian master's? |
| 02:40 | jcamins | Books are interesting. |
| 02:40 | I love books. | |
| 02:40 | And text generally. | |
| 02:45 | bag | MLS's rule!!! |
| 02:45 | heh | |
| 02:46 | cjh | major league soccers? |
| 02:46 | bag | jcamins: my answer is I'm always a librarian first :) |
| 02:47 | and that's what I put whenever I'm asked my profession | |
| 02:47 | cjh: do you say football or soccer? | |
| 02:47 | * wizzyrea | was wondering the same thing |
| 02:47 | dcook | bag: same |
| 02:48 | cjh | bag: mostly soccer. |
| 02:48 | * wizzyrea | looks quizically at cjh |
| 02:48 | cjh | although football is understood |
| 02:48 | dcook | http://www.footballaustralia.com.au/socceroos |
| 02:48 | cjh | hahaha |
| 02:49 | apparently http://www.nzfootball.co.nz/ | |
| 02:49 | dcook | People mostly say soccer though in my experience |
| 02:49 | Although I don't know about actual fans... | |
| 02:49 | bag | well there is something really exciting going on in baseball right now - Yu Darvish is 3 outs away from a perfect game |
| 02:49 | dcook | jcamins: Seconded on loving books and text. |
| 02:49 | bag | those are pretty rare… |
| 02:49 | dcook | "really" and "exciting" and "baseball" |
| 02:49 | I figured that would be no results found... | |
| 02:50 | cjh | when I was a kid I was in a 'soccer team', and at work I have been invited to 'indoor soccer'. |
| 02:50 | bag | not in my world dcook |
| 02:50 | cjh | bag: I have no idea what that means, I will take your word for it :) |
| 02:50 | bag | perfect game is that no one ever reaches first base… 27 batters up and 27 batters out |
| 02:50 | eythian | cjh: it's sorta like cricket, but a bit stranger. |
| 02:50 | dcook | Whoa... |
| 02:50 | bag | it's happened about 20 times ever in the sport… |
| 02:51 | so about 20 times in say 80,0000 games | |
| 02:51 | cjh | eythian: I dont really understand cricket either :) |
| 02:51 | dcook | I'll admit that is pretty awesome |
| 02:51 | cjh | bag: thanks for the explanation of the awesomeness |
| 02:52 | dcook | Baseball is pretty straightforward. Also remarkably boring to play when you're a child. Watching pro baseball can be entertaining though.. |
| 02:52 | It's the opposite of curling. Not very fun to watch, but lots of fun to play. | |
| 02:52 | bag | In other words, at the beginning of every major-league game, an average pitcher facing a lineup of average hitters has a .000983 percent chance of pitching a perfect game. |
| 02:52 | wizzyrea | hey, um, does anyone know |
| 02:52 | cjh | wizzyrea: yes. |
| 02:52 | wizzyrea | the original server side receipt printing |
| 02:52 | bag | 200,304 games played (as of the date of his column) X 2 (number of starting pitchers in each game) = 400,608 |
| 02:53 | wizzyrea | is that broken now or... does that still work or... did we rip it out or... |
| 02:53 | bag | it should have been ripped out |
| 02:54 | wizzyrea | should have been and wasn't or it was ripped out and you don't want to commit to saying that :P |
| 02:54 | bag | let me check that bug.. what was it custom slips... |
| 02:55 | wizzyrea bug 7001 | |
| 02:55 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7001 enhancement, P3, ---, srdjan, Pushed to Master , User Configurable Slips |
| 02:55 | * dcook | likes the idea of "emailed slips", although always chose to print the slip at his public library anyway. Convenient bookmark... |
| 02:55 | bag | well the user can choose to get "emailed slips" |
| 02:55 | on checkout and checkin | |
| 02:55 | wizzyrea | hm no |
| 02:56 | bag | but I also prefer the bookmark |
| 02:56 | wizzyrea | the almighty rangi says that it was out for a while, but is back in again in 3.10 |
| 02:56 | dcook | jcamins: Are you still planning to go to Reno in October? |
| 02:56 | bag | 1 out to go!!! |
| 02:56 | * dcook | crosses his fingers for bag |
| 02:56 | wizzyrea | whoa, why so many prefs in local use? |
| 02:57 | do they just need to be sorted? | |
| 02:57 | cjh | dcook: I find using it as a bookmark helps me remember when it is due ;) |
| 02:57 | * wizzyrea | hadn't looked in there in a long time |
| 02:57 | bag | OH NO hit… |
| 02:57 | no longer perfect or no hitter | |
| 02:57 | gave up a hit with one out to go | |
| 02:57 | :( | |
| 02:57 | dcook | bag: :( |
| 02:57 | jcamins | dcook: most likely. |
| 02:57 | wahanui | it has been said that most likely is not logrotated |
| 02:57 | wizzyrea | curses. |
| 02:57 | forget most likely | |
| 02:57 | wahanui | wizzyrea: I forgot most likely |
| 02:57 | jcamins | wizzyrea: local use contains all the removed sysprefs. |
| 02:58 | dcook | O_o |
| 02:58 | wizzyrea | like opacmainuserblockmobile? |
| 02:58 | seems like that one ought to be erm, where it belongs? | |
| 02:58 | dcook | I guess there is no harm with them sitting in the database/local prefs gathering dust... |
| 02:59 | jcamins | wizzyrea: it also contains sysprefs that should be elsewhere, apparently. |
| 02:59 | wizzyrea | i'm looking in there, seems there's LOTS of stuff that has gone missing. |
| 02:59 | jcamins | That is quite possible. |
| 03:00 | And, server-side printing is gone, gone, gone. | |
| 03:00 | Srdjan was working on reviving it. | |
| 03:00 | rangi | it is there |
| 03:00 | it works now | |
| 03:00 | wizzyrea | ^^^ that guy would know |
| 03:00 | jcamins | rangi: really? |
| 03:00 | rangi | yep |
| 03:00 | jcamins | Then why is there a bug report saying "server side printing needs to be put back in since it was removed"? |
| 03:01 | rangi | the link to set your printer isnt there |
| 03:01 | srdjan put most of it back in | |
| 03:01 | bug 8056 is most of it | |
| 03:01 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8056 critical, P5 - low, ---, srdjan, RESOLVED FIXED, CircAutoPrintQuickSlip set to clear doesn't work |
| 03:01 | jcamins | Oh, I didn't realize that. |
| 03:01 | The bug for setting the branch printer makes it sound like that's the printing functionality. | |
| 03:02 | rangi | if ( $print eq 'yes' && $borrowernumber ne '' ) { |
| 03:02 | if ( C4::Context->boolean_preference('printcirculationslips') ) { | |
| 03:02 | my $letter = IssueSlip($branch, $borrowernumber, "QUICK"); | |
| 03:02 | NetworkPrint($letter->{content}); | |
| 03:02 | in circ/circulation.pl | |
| 03:02 | jcamins | I never tried it, just thought "gee, pity that we still don't have it back" every time I look at the unpushed bug. |
| 03:02 | rangi | so if you hit return |
| 03:02 | jcamins | Which, granted, is rarely. |
| 03:02 | wizzyrea: I don't have much in local use at all. | |
| 03:02 | rangi | it will print the slip using the slip notice even |
| 03:03 | and admin/printers.pl is there | |
| 03:03 | wizzyrea | well wtf is different about mine then. |
| 03:03 | jcamins | Cool. |
| 03:03 | rangi | to set the printer |
| 03:03 | but there is no link to it afaict | |
| 03:03 | jcamins | That's a really neat feature, but not one that I was going to be spending time on, even when I thought it was all commented out.. |
| 03:04 | rangi | its always worked for hlt |
| 03:04 | i had to keep putting it back every release | |
| 03:04 | jcamins | s/\.\././ |
| 03:04 | Why did it get taken out in the first place? | |
| 03:04 | I only tried it once, around 3.2, and it worked. | |
| 03:04 | wizzyrea: http://screencast.com/t/hnqUiFVdUB | |
| 03:04 | wizzyrea | people always think "nobody does that anymore" |
| 03:04 | rangi | yeah |
| 03:05 | i dont understand this, rip it out | |
| 03:05 | jcamins | Then I didn't pay attention, and next I knew there was a bug saying "restore eliminated server-side printing functionality." |
| 03:05 | wizzyrea | "it's in my way!" |
| 03:05 | rangi | heh |
| 03:05 | so what needs to be done is that link needs to show to printers.pl | |
| 03:05 | jcamins | I'm not sure about the MaxFineIsReplacementPrice. |
| 03:05 | Didn't I push that? | |
| 03:05 | rangi | if the syspref is on |
| 03:05 | and thats about it i think | |
| 03:06 | jcamins | No, apparently I didn't. |
| 03:06 | I must have failed it. | |
| 03:07 | Oh, yeah. | |
| 03:07 | It worked, but was backwards, which is worse than it not doing anything. | |
| 03:07 | FrameworksLoaded interests me. | |
| 03:07 | What was it for originally? | |
| 03:08 | bag: that was your fault. Just so we're clear. If you hadn't posted on Facebook, it would have been a perfect game. | |
| 03:09 | :P | |
| 03:09 | Who were we rooting for, BTW? | |
| 03:13 | bag | yeah I guess so :( |
| 03:13 | well we weren't rooting for a team - just history - to watch a perfect game | |
| 03:13 | jcamins | Maybe next game. |
| 03:13 | bag | jcamins: I'm a mets fan - right in your neighborhood |
| 03:14 | jcamins | There's always a 1 in 4000 chance. |
| 03:14 | bag | but I usually always have a baseball game on when I'm in the office |
| 03:15 | dcook | All right. Lunch time, me thinks |
| 03:15 | Sorry that it wasn't a perfect game, bag :( | |
| 03:15 | bag | so jcamins if you ever go to a baseball game - root for three things. a perfect game, one player to hit four homeruns in a game (been done about 20 or so times - just as rare as a perfect game) Or one player to hit five homerruns - never been done in MLB |
| 03:15 | there was a college player who hit 6 homeruns in one game | |
| 03:16 | and a double :P | |
| 03:16 | jcamins | Wow. |
| 03:16 | bag | but they use metal bats |
| 03:16 | jcamins | Hm. |
| 03:16 | Bed time, methinks. | |
| 03:16 | bag | also another one is an unassited triple play - about as rare as the perfect game |
| 03:17 | jcamins | Good night. |
| 03:17 | wahanui | I watch you sleep. |
| 03:17 | cjh | heh |
| 03:17 | bag | I saw an unassited triple play to end a baseball game in queens - that has only happened twice :P |
| 03:17 | ok enough about baseball | |
| 03:17 | bag? | |
| 03:17 | wahanui | I LIKE BASEBALL |
| 03:17 | bag | heh |
| 03:18 | wizzyrea | wizzyrea? |
| 03:18 | wahanui | well, wizzyrea is a Cylon, and they all have plans. |
| 03:18 | * wizzyrea | nods |
| 03:21 | rangi | `/ws 15 |
| 03:22 | heh | |
| 03:25 | mtj | hey wiz, about? |
| 03:26 | wizzyrea | ya sorry :) my client doesn't ping for "wiz" |
| 03:50 | i just read something AWESOME | |
| 03:50 | and i have to share it | |
| 03:51 | oh wait | |
| 03:51 | i hate this time of year. | |
| 03:51 | :( | |
| 03:51 | never mind. | |
| 03:51 | wahanui | Good, I'm glad you figured it out. I didn't understand, and probably never will, being a bot. |
| 03:51 | eythian | wizzyrea: you can't do that |
| 03:51 | it's against the rules | |
| 03:51 | oh, or was it that google is releasing Google Nose? | |
| 03:52 | wizzyrea | no. |
| 03:52 | it was that george takei was going to be in the star wars reboot thingie. | |
| 03:52 | but it was a prank | |
| 03:52 | cjh | lol |
| 03:52 | wizzyrea | and I was sad. |
| 03:52 | eythian | ah |
| 03:52 | wizzyrea | pout face. |
| 03:55 | ibeardslee | heh |
| 03:55 | but that would be awesome wouldn't it? | |
| 03:56 | awesome with not just a capitial O, but with all caps | |
| 03:58 | wizzyrea | I know! |
| 03:59 | hey I didn't even have to contribute to the awesome jar. | |
| 04:18 | dcook | wizzyrea: I feel your pain |
| 04:19 | * dcook | wants to keep testing and signing off on bugs, but other work to do... |
| 04:19 | dcook | Down to just 23! |
| 04:21 | If oleonard fixes up bug 9887 soon, that could be 3 or 4 down relatively quickly as well | |
| 04:21 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9887 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Failed QA , Use DataTables on circulation page |
| 04:21 | dcook | Signing off is addictive! |
| 04:21 | * dcook | goes back to work |
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| 05:22 | * dcook | waves to cait |
| 05:22 | cait | hey dcook |
| 05:39 | * magnuse | tries to waves but is drowning in snow |
| 05:40 | * dcook | waves to the snowman |
| 05:42 | magnuse | :-) |
| 05:42 | @wunder boo | |
| 05:42 | huginn | magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is -2.0°C (7:20 AM CEST on April 03, 2013). Conditions: Light Snow. Humidity: 100%. Dew Point: -2.0°C. Windchill: -10.0°C. Pressure: 29.89 in 1012 hPa (Falling). |
| 05:42 | magnuse | s/Light Snow/snow storm/ |
| 05:42 | dcook | @wunder Sydney Australia |
| 05:42 | huginn | dcook: The current temperature in Sydney, New South Wales is 18.0°C (4:00 PM EST on April 03, 2013). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 83%. Dew Point: 15.0°C. Pressure: 30.18 in 1022 hPa (Rising). |
| 05:42 | magnuse | yeah yeah, rub it in ;-) |
| 05:43 | dcook | hehe |
| 05:43 | You'll have spring soon though! | |
| 05:43 | magnuse | ah, meeting in 4 hours 16 minutes http://www.timeanddate.com/cou[…]General%20Meeting |
| 05:43 | dcook: hope so! :-) | |
| 05:43 | and we have lots of light now | |
| 05:43 | dcook | Mmm, right. I should check to see if my phone's IRC client times out... |
| 05:43 | What's the latitude of Bodo? | |
| 05:44 | magnuse | um 67°18′20″N 14°32′57″E |
| 05:45 | according to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bod%C3%B8 | |
| 05:45 | cait | welcome back magnuse :) |
| 05:45 | magnuse | kia ora cait! |
| 05:46 | cait | had a good trip back home? |
| 05:46 | magnuse | um, no |
| 05:46 | but we got home almost ontime | |
| 05:46 | so it's all water under the bridge now | |
| 05:46 | and leonard was amazing | |
| 05:46 | so patient | |
| 05:49 | cait | oh |
| 05:49 | had problems with the flights? | |
| 05:49 | magnuse | yeah, we were put in a transfer queue when we were chekcing in again at OSL |
| 05:49 | and it was barely moving | |
| 05:50 | and we were told there was no jumping the queue to catch the plane, we would just have to loose it | |
| 05:50 | cjh | wow |
| 05:50 | magnuse | then we asked someone else at the very last minute and then we DID get to jump the queue |
| 05:50 | but then we had to run like crazy | |
| 05:50 | dcook | O_O |
| 05:50 | magnuse | and i was held up a bit by security |
| 05:51 | cait | inoslo? |
| 05:51 | crazy. | |
| 05:51 | magnuse | and elin ran ahead to the gate and was told, i'f your husband is not here in 2 minutes you will loose the plane |
| 05:51 | and then we got on board | |
| 05:51 | *and had to sit there for 20 minutes before the plane took off* | |
| 05:51 | cait: yup, in oslo | |
| 05:52 | cait | what did you do? |
| 05:52 | smuggle food? | |
| 05:52 | magnuse | well i did have some very suspicious baby food in a bag |
| 05:53 | they swabbed(?) it | |
| 05:53 | checking for traces of explosives, i think? | |
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| 05:54 | cait | baby food. |
| 05:54 | dcook | Couldn't have possibly been for a baby |
| 05:54 | cait | you wil laugh about it tomorrow, maybe :) |
| 05:56 | magnuse | yeah, or the day after |
| 05:56 | cait | glad you made it |
| 05:57 | magnuse | the interesting thing was when i went through security in nice i forgot i had a half-a-liter bottle of water in the baby bag - and they did not complain about it! |
| 05:57 | dcook | After a 3 month backpacking trip through Europe, I had an airport security person tell me that they actually couldn't detect whether my metal water bottle had liquid or not inside |
| 05:57 | I imagine that means a lot of security people just waved me through most of the time | |
| 05:58 | cait | when I had the fudge |
| 05:58 | from scotland in my backpack | |
| 05:58 | my bag got searched each airport on the way back... | |
| 05:58 | apparently that looks very suspicious | |
| 05:58 | magnuse | hehe, guess that might look like plastic explosives on a scanner... |
| 05:59 | ooh, wow the big BIBSYS rfp is out, they are not looking for an ILS but an LSP | |
| 06:00 | cait | lsp? |
| 06:01 | dcook | library services platform? |
| 06:01 | magnuse | LSP is Library Services Platform |
| 06:01 | yup | |
| 06:02 | * dcook | sighs |
| 06:02 | * magnuse | too |
| 06:02 | cait | aha |
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| 06:03 | alohabot | Hi mib_ojw8sb, Welcome to #koha. Feel free to use the '/nick yourname' command to choose a different name. alohabot, wahanui, and huginn are bots. If you need any help, just ask - there's usually someone around to help :) |
| 06:07 | dcook | http://www.niso.org/apps/group[…]_%20isqv24no4.pdf |
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| 06:10 | dcook | I think they have a point when they say that the ILS was created around the idea of managing print collections |
| 06:10 | But I'm not seeing anything about how an "LSP" would help manage digital collections | |
| 06:10 | Or even what they mean by "digital collection" | |
| 06:11 | cait | dcook: i think that's one of the problems |
| 06:11 | dcook | Agreed |
| 06:11 | cait | it's like everyone is asking for erm |
| 06:11 | dcook | erm as in electronic records management? |
| 06:11 | cait | and noone can explain to me, what it shoudl be doing exactly |
| 06:11 | resources | |
| 06:11 | yep | |
| 06:11 | dcook | Yeah, that sounds about the same |
| 06:11 | It could have a few different meanings | |
| 06:11 | cait | maybe we should have one. it will show a picture of a cat. |
| 06:11 | dcook | That's another thing...records management is so totally different from regular collection management |
| 06:12 | hehe :p | |
| 06:12 | Personally, I rather see multiple platforms working together... | |
| 06:12 | DSpace and Koha seem to work pretty well together | |
| 06:13 | cait | that's something different again :) |
| 06:13 | repositories | |
| 06:13 | I think | |
| 06:13 | what they are asking about is how to handle their ebooks and ejournals that they only have in databases and not really the files to store | |
| 06:14 | dcook | But is it? |
| 06:14 | I'm not sure that they are making that distinction | |
| 06:14 | cait | well here it is |
| 06:14 | dcook | From what I've seen of Kuali OLE, it looks like they're trying to be a metadata and file repository |
| 06:15 | Which...makes some sense theoretically | |
| 06:15 | cait | wewill have to wait to find out how it works |
| 06:15 | dcook | True true ;) |
| 06:17 | Amazing how the "new" features of III's Sierra seem to be fairly old features in Koha... | |
| 06:18 | It would be great if Koha supported EAD and other metadata formats though... | |
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| 06:19 | bamalik | hi |
| 06:20 | quocuy | hi |
| 06:20 | wahanui | hola, quocuy |
| 06:20 | quocuy | yesterday we met, right wahanui |
| 06:20 | bamalik | I intends to create virtual union catalogue using koha, any help? |
| 06:21 | quocuy | what do u mean? virtual union catalogue |
| 06:21 | first time i hear that | |
| 06:22 | bamalik | virtual union catalogue means a opac of two or more libraries in different citities |
| 06:24 | Hi quocuy, are there? | |
| 06:25 | dcook | All right. Time to go, me thinks. I might be here in spirit later for the meeting... |
| 06:26 | quocuy | here |
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| 06:26 | quocuy | sorry |
| 06:27 | christophe_c | hello #koha |
| 06:27 | quocuy | bamalik are they using 1 installation of Koha |
| 06:27 | or not? | |
| 06:27 | wahanui | well, not is maybe removed from my search |
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| 06:28 | quocuy | Ah, today evening (in russian-i mean), will we meet here? |
| 06:29 | cait | yes |
| 06:31 | bamalik | two installations of koha |
| 06:32 | quocuy | so u have to copy them from one to one? |
| 06:34 | bamalik | no, add libraries in koha administration module with ip address |
| 06:35 | i made a lot of search on internet, but not hands-on help | |
| 06:36 | quocuy | wait, u told me that u are using 2 libraries with 2 installation |
| 06:36 | so i don't understand about add libraries with ip address, why do u want to do that? | |
| 06:37 | are u trying to create a branch library? | |
| 06:38 | bamalik | sorry, perhaps i don't choose proper terms |
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| 06:38 | reiveune | hello |
| 06:38 | wahanui | bidet, reiveune |
| 06:39 | bamalik | there is method of virtual union catalogue by YAZ client or something |
| 06:40 | quocuy | ok, i don't know about this :), ask chris_n, he's leader |
| 06:41 | bamalik | hi chris_n |
| 06:42 | magnuse | bonjour christophe_c sophie_m reiveune |
| 06:43 | sophie_m | hi magnuse |
| 06:43 | back to Norway ? | |
| 06:43 | reiveune | salut magnuse :) |
| 06:43 | magnuse | yup |
| 06:43 | and the snow | |
| 06:43 | wahanui | the snow is probably thawing :) |
| 06:43 | christophe_c | hello magnuse |
| 06:43 | magnuse | wahanui: nopw, it is not |
| 06:43 | wahanui | OK, magnuse. |
| 06:43 | magnuse | s/nopw/nope/ |
| 06:44 | bamalik | hi any body on the channel, I intends to create a virtual union catalogue using koha, any help? |
| 06:46 | magnuse | bamalik: i thnk you need to explain a bit more about what you actually want to achieve with that |
| 06:48 | cait | bbl |
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| 06:50 | rangi | quocuy: there isn't a 'leader' of koha, chris_n certainly contributes a lot and was the release maintainer for a couple of releases |
| 06:51 | magnus_meeting | kia ora rangi! |
| 06:51 | bamalik | thanks, i want to make a union catalogue of our two campsus libraries. one is centralized union catalogue, which contains catalogues of different libraires in the same system |
| 06:52 | rangi | quocuy: and if you want to ask about any of the features he added, then certainly chris_n is a good one to ask, however he is most likely asleep now since he is in the east coast of the USA |
| 06:52 | magnus_meeting: heya :) | |
| 06:53 | bamalik | other is vurtual union catalogue is a decentralized, electronically accessible catalogue through network based on the ip of distant system. |
| 06:53 | quocuy | haha |
| 06:53 | sorry | |
| 06:54 | i'm not mean that leader, miss word | |
| 06:54 | rangi | quocuy: jcamins is the current release manager, so he is a good one to ask about 3.12 it all depends on what you want to know |
| 06:54 | quocuy | thanks rangi |
| 06:55 | i chat with him yesterday | |
| 06:57 | rangi | bamalik: first one is easy, you just set up branches |
| 06:57 | second option you will have to do some development to achieve | |
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| 06:58 | quocuy | i think he wants to have different OPAC for 2 libraries, so he had to use 2 installation of Koha |
| 06:58 | rangi | hmm no you can achieve that with one koha |
| 06:58 | francharb | good morning #koha |
| 06:59 | bamalik | thanks rangi, any idea about development |
| 06:59 | quocuy | how can we change Opac (header, footer) for each branch library? impossible now, i think |
| 06:59 | morning francharb | |
| 06:59 | rangi | nope you can do it with rewrite rules in apache quocuy |
| 06:59 | bamalik: no, you would have to provide a lot more info | |
| 06:59 | i mean a lot | |
| 07:00 | quocuy | rangi, is there a guide to help me rewrite rules in apache? |
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| 07:01 | quocuy | it's such a new thing, if can, i'm really happy with this |
| 07:01 | gaetan_B | hello |
| 07:02 | quocuy | now i'm using 1 installation, create lots of Koha site, setup new databases, not good for my poor VPS |
| 07:02 | bamalik | rangi: what type of info |
| 07:03 | rangi | bamalik: i still have no idea what you are actually trying to d |
| 07:04 | o | |
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| 07:04 | quocuy | me, too :) |
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| 07:09 | bamalik | can you differerentiate b/w centralized union catalogue and virtual union catalogue, |
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| 07:11 | cait-m_ | hmm |
| 07:11 | quocuy | rangi |
| 07:13 | bamalik | imagine that two libraraies have their own catalogues on seperate servers in different cities and i want to make a union catalogue |
| 07:13 | cjh | is that like federated search? |
| 07:14 | bamalik | what means by federated search? |
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| 07:34 | viktorsarge_ | (test) |
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| 07:57 | rangi | so i did this |
| 07:57 | https://gitorious.org/koha/mai[…]395cb38a3992b214d | |
| 07:58 | which produces this | |
| 07:58 | http://opac.koha.workbuffer.or[…]e_dsc&format=opds | |
| 07:58 | cjh | that link gives me an error |
| 07:58 | Can't use an undefined value as a HASH reference at /home/chris/git/koha.git/opac/opac-search.pl line 732. | |
| 07:58 | rangi | following this spec |
| 07:59 | http://opds-spec.org/about/ | |
| 07:59 | hmm really | |
| 07:59 | not getting that error | |
| 07:59 | weird | |
| 08:00 | cjh | http://opac.koha.workbuffer.or[…]e_dsc&format=opds |
| 08:00 | rangi | yep, wfm |
| 08:00 | cjh | I get that error in both chromium and firefox (tried ff as it shouldnt have a cache or *anything*) |
| 08:00 | rangi | how odd |
| 08:01 | http://opac.koha.workbuffer.or[…]e_dsc&format=rss2 | |
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| 08:01 | rangi | how about that? |
| 08:01 | cjh | same error |
| 08:01 | rangi | or http://opac.koha.workbuffer.or[…]owledge+the+poems |
| 08:01 | or http://opac.koha.workbuffer.or[…]koha/opac-main.pl | |
| 08:01 | hehe | |
| 08:01 | cjh | fixed |
| 08:01 | what did you do? | |
| 08:02 | now the first url gives me text \o/ | |
| 08:02 | rangi | nothing |
| 08:02 | wahanui | nothing is a requirement, we have guidelines though |
| 08:02 | rangi | yay |
| 08:02 | its pretty rough | |
| 08:02 | but the idea is any search you can get in opds format | |
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| 08:03 | rangi | and it will pull out the ones that have ebooks |
| 08:03 | then there are apps that can consume that | |
| 08:03 | cjh | that would make wrapping a discovery layer (or whatever they call those these days) over the top really easy |
| 08:03 | rangi | like alkido |
| 08:04 | * kf | waves |
| 08:04 | kf | got internet, lost all my bookmarks :( |
| 08:04 | rangi | if you have alkido or calibre or stuff like that |
| 08:04 | it can consume those feeds | |
| 08:04 | cjh | kf: congrats :) / badluck :( |
| 08:05 | rangi: awesome work | |
| 08:05 | rangi | its pretty rough |
| 08:05 | but it took me 2 hours | |
| 08:05 | so wouldnt be hard to tidy up | |
| 08:05 | cjh | and it is progress |
| 08:06 | rangi | i meant aldiko |
| 08:06 | cjh | searching for alkido worked for me, google 'did you mean' has your back :) |
| 08:17 | magnuse | rangi++ |
| 08:17 | that sounds awesome | |
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| 08:40 | * wizzyrea | waves |
| 08:40 | wizzyrea | 1:20 to meeting right? |
| 08:42 | magnuse | wizzyrea: yeah, i think so |
| 08:43 | http://www.timeanddate.com/cou[…]General%20Meeting thinks so too | |
| 08:44 | rangi | yep |
| 08:46 | magnuse | election time! |
| 08:47 | * kf | waves |
| 08:47 | magnuse | rangi++ for the separate numbers for bugs on http://dashboard.koha-community.org/ |
| 08:47 | * magnuse | waves to kf |
| 08:48 | thinks "wave at" sounds too violent | |
| 08:54 | kf | yeah rangi++ for that |
| 09:28 | magnuse | oh noes, kf come back! |
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| 09:29 | magnuse | yay, kf came back |
| 09:30 | and kia ora oleonard! | |
| 09:30 | early morning? ;-) | |
| 09:30 | oleonard | Normal time for me to be up, just early to be here :) |
| 09:30 | But yeah, it's early *yawn* | |
| 09:31 | kf | i am here |
| 09:31 | and I can access internet websites now | |
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| 09:33 | magnuse | kf: sounds nice :-) |
| 09:33 | hiya tajoli | |
| 09:33 | tajoli | Hi all |
| 09:33 | wizzyrea | oleonard! |
| 09:33 | wahanui | hmmm... oleonard is still here, if you just wish hard enough. or Koha's master UI designer |
| 09:33 | wizzyrea | :D |
| 09:34 | magnuse | guess we wished hard enough then |
| 09:35 | mtj | haaay, interesting -> http://openlibrary.org/community |
| 09:35 | magnuse | kia ora mtj |
| 09:35 | community++ | |
| 09:35 | mtj | kia ora magnuse and all |
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| 09:39 | samuel | hi everybody :-) |
| 09:39 | magnuse | hi samuel |
| 09:39 | samuel | short question: i've installed koha by git (first time) and i've a problem to install french language. I've the following error :"./translate -p install fr-FR readdir() attempted on invalid dirhandle $fh at LangInstaller.pm line 59. readdir() attempted on invalid dirhandle $fh at LangInstaller.pm line 87. Koha directories hierarchy for fr-FR must be created f |
| 09:40 | kf | hm haven't seen that in a while |
| 09:40 | which version did you install? | |
| 09:40 | samuel | i choose dev install |
| 09:41 | 3.11.00.200 | |
| 09:41 | wizzyrea | =p? |
| 09:41 | -p? | |
| 09:41 | wahanui | i guess -p is 'prompt for password' |
| 09:41 | kf | what did you type to install? |
| 09:41 | i mean which command produces the problem :) | |
| 09:41 | samuel | ./translate -p install fr-FR |
| 09:42 | it's the first time i've this problem | |
| 09:42 | kf | why -p? |
| 09:42 | cjh | "Koha directories hierarchy for fr-FR must be created f" I guess that ends in 'first', does that mean you have to create the lang first? |
| 09:42 | * wizzyrea | has never used -p |
| 09:42 | kf | me neither |
| 09:43 | wizzyrea | samuel, what do you think -p does? |
| 09:43 | or why are you using it? | |
| 09:43 | samuel | ok, i will try but when you do ./translate --help, you find this command |
| 09:43 | rangi | With -p option, only preferences .po file is |
| 09:43 | updated. | |
| 09:43 | is what the help says | |
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| 09:44 | rangi | you almost certainly don't want that in this case |
| 09:44 | * wizzyrea | just read it |
| 09:44 | wizzyrea | not 5 seconds ago, and agrees with rangi |
| 09:44 | leave off the p and see if it goes better. | |
| 09:45 | samuel | without the 'p' option, i 've this "readdir() attempted on invalid dirhandle $fh at LangInstaller.pm line 59. readdir() attempted on invalid dirhandle $fh at LangInstaller.pm line 87. /usr/share/koha/opac/htdocs/opac-tmpl/prog/en/: Input must be a file or directory. (Symbolic links are not supported at the moment) Try `/home/koha/misc/translator/tmpl_process3 |
| 09:46 | wizzyrea | I always use the instructions here: http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]ANET_staff_client |
| 09:46 | kf | had this happening to me ages ago |
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| 09:47 | kf | but wasn't able to resolve, t worked when I reinstalled that test machine |
| 09:47 | wizzyrea | perhaps a bad clone? |
| 09:47 | bgkriegel | hi all |
| 09:47 | wizzyrea | hi bgkriegel |
| 09:47 | :) | |
| 09:48 | rangi | well if you did a dev install |
| 09:48 | /usr/share/koha/opac/htdocs/opac-tmpl/prog/en wont exist | |
| 09:48 | samuel | wizzyrea: thank you for the link |
| 09:48 | rangi | that is the path of a package/tarball install |
| 09:48 | i think your koha-conf.xml is messed up, or you are pointing at the wrong one | |
| 09:49 | wizzyrea | good point, you'd need to use the kohaconf in your koha-dev directory |
| 09:49 | koha-dev/etc | |
| 09:49 | magnuse | ...if that is what you called it |
| 09:50 | thd | Does git not have checks to prevent a bad clone? |
| 09:50 | * jcamins | straggles in groggily. |
| 09:50 | kf | someone marc savvy around? I look for a field to store norm numbers.. (din and iso standard numbers) |
| 09:50 | oh there is jcamins :) | |
| 09:50 | * wizzyrea | passes out coffee for the north americans |
| 09:51 | * kf | is mising lunch ;) |
| 09:51 | cjh | thd: it should be quite hard for a git clone to be subtly broken |
| 09:51 | * wizzyrea | passes out food for the europeans |
| 09:51 | kf | yay :) |
| 09:51 | rangi | thd: its not likely to be a bad clone |
| 09:51 | * wizzyrea | recalls the KDE story |
| 09:51 | cjh | its 11pm here, which turns out is far past my bed time... |
| 09:52 | * wizzyrea | hands out snuggly blankies and tea for the oceaneans |
| 09:52 | rangi | wizzyrea: that was disk corruption propogated by mirroring ... not quite the same thing :) |
| 09:52 | cjh | wizzyrea: they were using --mirror and had disc corruption, so they were mirroring the corruption. |
| 09:52 | * wizzyrea | sighs |
| 09:52 | kf | wizzyrea: :) |
| 09:53 | wizzyrea | right but we wouldn't know that was happening until we started seeing bad clones. |
| 09:53 | or I'll just shut up. | |
| 09:53 | that's probably better. | |
| 09:53 | kf | i think more likely to be missing something else |
| 09:53 | gmcharlt | @quote random |
| 09:53 | huginn | gmcharlt: Quote #94: "<chris> the more i explain, the more ppl know, and the less i have to do in the future ... its purely selfish hehe" (added by kf at 08:45 AM, September 13, 2010) |
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| 09:54 | cjh | wizzyrea: it is possible, but it would affect all of us (when we did a fetch things would yell and scream) |
| 09:54 | * jcamins | gives gmcharlt his share of wizzyrea's coffee. |
| 09:54 | cjh | wizzyrea: a blanket sounds amazing. |
| 09:55 | kf | as I have run into the problem ages ago |
| 09:55 | I think it's just something missing in that installation | |
| 09:56 | wizzyrea | but you are all right of course. it's probably not a bad clone, he is probably looking at the wrong koha-conf |
| 09:56 | kf | it was a server side problem, quite sure |
| 09:56 | * kf | got her bookmarks back! |
| 09:57 | kf | ok, now that I am less grumpy, shoudl we start the meeting? :) |
| 09:57 | cjh | \o/ |
| 09:57 | rangi | 3 mins left? |
| 09:57 | kf | oh right |
| 09:57 | stefano_b joined #koha | |
| 09:57 | Franziska joined #koha | |
| 09:58 | kf | so if someone feels liking signing up for bug wrangler right now... there still is time :) |
| 09:58 | magnuse | what she said! |
| 09:58 | oleonard | We don't need no stinkin' badges |
| 09:59 | * gmcharlt | nominates everyone not present for bug wrangler |
| 09:59 | slef | oleonard: yeah, they're culling them around here, blaming them for spreading bovine TB |
| 09:59 | cjh | heh |
| 09:59 | wizzyrea | badgers or badges? |
| 09:59 | oleonard | I have no idea what you just said slef |
| 09:59 | slef | oh. badgers. |
| 09:59 | kf | oh |
| 10:00 | gmcharlt: where was the link to the voting thing? | |
| 10:00 | it's on my other computer and I guess we will need it | |
| 10:00 | * cjh | thought slef was making a joke |
| 10:00 | slef | huginn: last --regex /meetbot-ci/ --nolimit |
| 10:00 | huginn | slef: Error: I couldn't find a message matching that criteria in my history of 1000 messages. |
| 10:00 | wizzyrea | is it in the log? |
| 10:00 | slef | huginn: you suck |
| 10:00 | huginn | slef: I suck |
| 10:00 | slef | huginn: last --regex /meetbot/ --nolimit |
| 10:00 | huginn | slef: [10:00:32] <slef> huginn: last --regex /meetbot-ci/ --nolimit |
| 10:00 | kf | gmcharlt showed me last time, maybe |
| 10:00 | slef | http://ci.openstack.org/meetbot.html |
| 10:01 | voting is http://ci.openstack.org/meetbot.html | |
| 10:01 | gmcharlt | slef++ # beat me to it |
| 10:01 | slef | the co-op uses a fork of it a lot |
| 10:01 | to build consensus | |
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| 10:01 | slef | repeat the vote until all agree or give up |
| 10:02 | magnuse | kia ora BobB |
| 10:02 | kf | that sounds tirening |
| 10:02 | magnuse | consensus by exhaustion :-) |
| 10:02 | slef | kf: nah, seems to work. |
| 10:02 | kf | so chairing... should I try? or does someone else want to? |
| 10:03 | BobB | hi magnuse |
| 10:03 | oleonard | In America we don't repeat the vote until consensus, we repeat the campaign until all give up |
| 10:03 | BobB | hi #koha |
| 10:03 | slef | kf: thing to do is to try to give a safe space for objections to be addressed. |
| 10:03 | rangi | seeing there are no contentious positions |
| 10:03 | why dont we just ask for objections for each role | |
| 10:03 | and if none, its done | |
| 10:03 | jcamins | I think that is a good idea. |
| 10:03 | kf | we can do that |
| 10:03 | magnuse | +1 |
| 10:03 | kf | it will be faster |
| 10:03 | gmcharlt | +1 |
| 10:03 | kf | but not so many +1 :) |
| 10:03 | samuel | +1 |
| 10:03 | rangi | there are none that we have decide btween people |
| 10:04 | kf | I am going to start the meeting now |
| 10:04 | #startmeeting | |
| 10:04 | huginn | kf: Error: A meeting name is required, e.g., '#startmeeting Marketing Committee' |
| 10:04 | wahanui | if there is a meeting then Brooke must want me |
| 10:04 | i already had it that way, huginn. | |
| 10:04 | kf | #startmeeting Koha IRC Meeting |
| 10:04 | huginn | Meeting started Wed Apr 3 10:04:26 2013 UTC. The chair is kf. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. |
| 10:04 | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | |
| 10:04 | Topic for #koha is now (Meeting topic: Koha IRC Meeting) | |
| 10:04 | huginn | The meeting name has been set to 'koha_irc_meeting' |
| 10:04 | kf | welcome all |
| 10:04 | #topic Introductions | |
| 10:04 | Topic for #koha is now Introductions (Meeting topic: Koha IRC Meeting) | |
| 10:04 | wahanui | #info wahanui, a bot that has become sentient |
| 10:04 | samuel joined #koha | |
| 10:04 | kf | please introduce yourself with #intro |
| 10:04 | slef | #info MJ Ray, software.coop, England |
| 10:04 | tajoli | #info Zeno Tajoli, CINECA - Italy |
| 10:04 | kf | oh #info |
| 10:04 | oleonard | #info Owen Leonard, Athens County Public Libraries |
| 10:05 | jcamins | #info Jared Camins-Esakov, C & P Bibliography Services, RM for 3.12 |
| 10:05 | kf | #info Katrin Fischer, BSZ Germany |
| 10:05 | rangi | #info Chris Cormack, Catalyst IT |
| 10:05 | magnuse | #info Magnus Enger, Libriotech, Norway |
| 10:05 | gmcharlt | #info Galen Charlton, Equinox Software, USA |
| 10:05 | ColinC | #info Colin Campbell, PTFS Europe Ltd. |
| 10:05 | Joubu | #u |
| 10:05 | bgkriegel | #info Bernardo Gonzalez Kriegel, Córdoba, Argentina |
| 10:05 | stefano_b | #info Stefano Bargioni, Pontificia Università della Santa Croce - Rome |
| 10:05 | wizzyrea | #info Liz Rea, Catalyst IT |
| 10:05 | cjh | #info Chris Hall, Catalyst It, New Zealand |
| 10:05 | BobB | #info Bob Birchall, Calyx |
| 10:05 | Franziska | #info Franziska Wallner, The American University of Rome |
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| 10:05 | Joubu | #info Jonathan Druart, BibLibre, France |
| 10:06 | tcohen | #info Tomas Cohen Arazi, UNC, Argentina |
| 10:06 | kf | question: shoudl we do the elections first? |
| 10:07 | thd | #info Thomas Dukleth, Agogme, New York City |
| 10:07 | rangi | fine by me |
| 10:07 | Franziska | fine with me |
| 10:07 | tajoli | yes, for me |
| 10:07 | magnuse | sure |
| 10:07 | kf | #topic Roles for 3.14 |
| 10:07 | Topic for #koha is now Roles for 3.14 (Meeting topic: Koha IRC Meeting) | |
| 10:08 | kf | #agreed we will ask for objections, if none, the candidate is elected |
| 10:08 | gmcharlt | #info http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]ki/Roles_for_3.14 |
| 10:08 | kf | was not sure how to prhase that |
| 10:08 | hope it sounds about right :) | |
| 10:08 | gmcharlt | kf: 'tis fine |
| 10:08 | cjh | sounds perfect. |
| 10:08 | sekjal joined #koha | |
| 10:08 | kf | ok, let's start with the most important role |
| 10:09 | we have gmcharlt as candidate for release manager | |
| 10:09 | clrh | #info Claire Hernandez, BibLibre, France |
| 10:09 | kf | are there questions about his proposal? |
| 10:09 | paul_p | #info paul Poulain BibLibre, France |
| 10:09 | sorry for being a little bit late | |
| 10:09 | rangi | probably too late for questions? that was last meeting? |
| 10:09 | sekjal | #info Ian Walls, former QAM |
| 10:09 | kf | right |
| 10:09 | are there any objections? | |
| 10:09 | * oleonard | wouldn't dare |
| 10:10 | rangi | heh |
| 10:10 | * wizzyrea | either |
| 10:10 | slef | no |
| 10:10 | rangi | if you object you have to do it |
| 10:10 | :-) | |
| 10:10 | wizzyrea | speak now or forever hold your peace |
| 10:10 | cjh | gmcharlt++ very well written proposal |
| 10:10 | kf | yep, no objections, happy we have you volunteering |
| 10:10 | paul_p | no objection as well |
| 10:10 | wizzyrea | yes, very happy you are volunteering, thank you (and your wife. And your cats.) |
| 10:11 | kf | #agreed Galen Charlton is declared Release Manager 3.14 |
| 10:11 | gmcharlt | thanks everybody; I shall endeavor to repay your trust |
| 10:11 | magnuse | woohoo! |
| 10:11 | rangi | may god have mercy on his soul |
| 10:11 | magnuse | hehe |
| 10:11 | tcohen | heh |
| 10:11 | kf | good luck :) |
| 10:11 | jcamins | Amen. |
| 10:11 | cjh | hahaha |
| 10:11 | kf | next is translation manager |
| 10:12 | druthb / D Ruth Bavousett has offered to continue | |
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| 10:12 | kf | any objections? |
| 10:12 | gmcharlt | no |
| 10:12 | kf | I think the problem with the objectiosn is that I am not sure how long to wait :) |
| 10:13 | magnuse | maybe a countdown? |
| 10:13 | slef | kf: 1 minute IMO |
| 10:13 | rangi | no objections from here |
| 10:13 | magnuse | 3 |
| 10:13 | 2 | |
| 10:13 | 1 | |
| 10:13 | done | |
| 10:13 | ? | |
| 10:13 | rangi | heh |
| 10:13 | wizzyrea | i think if someone is objecting they'd do it quickly. |
| 10:13 | rangi | 1 min is a good time |
| 10:13 | slef | wizzyrea: yeah, but IRC lags. |
| 10:13 | wizzyrea: the co-op's rough practice has been 1 minute of silence | |
| 10:13 | kf | #agreed D Ruth Bavousett is elected Translation Manager for 3.14 |
| 10:13 | magnuse | yay! |
| 10:13 | slef | wizzyrea: although members can plead net.fun later |
| 10:13 | gmcharlt | druthb++ |
| 10:14 | rangi | yay! |
| 10:14 | kf | next is Nicole Engard /nengard for documentation manager :) |
| 10:14 | and druthb++ :) | |
| 10:14 | oleonard | I thought she was elected for life |
| 10:14 | kf | any objections to that? :) |
| 10:14 | slef | No objection BTW. I'm curious about the translation infrastructure, but that's going on in email. |
| 10:14 | tcohen | heh |
| 10:14 | slef | no objection to nengard... glad she continues |
| 10:15 | tcohen | gmcharlt++ and druthb_away++ (sorry, not-enough coffe lag) |
| 10:15 | kf | #agreed Nicole Engard is reelected for Documentation Manager |
| 10:15 | please stop me when I am too fast :) | |
| 10:15 | gmcharlt | nengard++ |
| 10:15 | kf | ok, next we have 2 candidates for installation documentation manager |
| 10:15 | wizzyrea | nengard++ druthb++ |
| 10:15 | kf | nengard++ :) |
| 10:16 | Samuel Desseaux /samuel and Mason James /mtj | |
| 10:16 | any objections? | |
| 10:16 | jcamins | None from me. |
| 10:16 | wizzyrea | they are sharing the role? |
| 10:16 | magnuse | do they want to share? |
| 10:16 | thd | wizzyrea: yes |
| 10:16 | samuel | no problem for me to share :-) |
| 10:17 | kf | mtj: ping? |
| 10:17 | magnuse | yay |
| 10:17 | thd | wizzyrea: yes, manager and "will help" |
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| 10:18 | kf | hm bit difficult as mtj is not here |
| 10:18 | wizzyrea | he was here just a bit ago! |
| 10:18 | kf | I think common practice so far was sharing the role |
| 10:18 | jcamins | I had understood that mtj's intention was sharing the role. |
| 10:18 | magnuse | yeah, we can force him to share |
| 10:18 | gmcharlt | likewise |
| 10:18 | rangi | i have no objections to however they figure out they want to do it :) itd be good to get it done though |
| 10:18 | magnuse | yup |
| 10:19 | kf | :) |
| 10:19 | ok, i suggest we make them share the load then ;) | |
| 10:19 | gmcharlt | +1 |
| 10:19 | kf | #agreed Mason James and Samuel Desseaux will be Installation Documentation Managers for 3.14 |
| 10:19 | wizzyrea | mtj++ samuel++ |
| 10:19 | kf | want to get this moving :) |
| 10:19 | gmcharlt | mtj++ |
| 10:19 | samuel++ | |
| 10:19 | kf | next is database documentation manager - nicole again |
| 10:19 | samuel | :-) |
| 10:19 | kf | should have done that with the other :) |
| 10:19 | samuel++ mtj++ from me too | |
| 10:20 | slef | binary search for objections? ;-) |
| 10:20 | rangi | that role should be decreasing |
| 10:20 | which is good | |
| 10:20 | ie, nengard is catching up | |
| 10:20 | wizzyrea | aside, I feel like we should make a rule that the dev who adds a new column be required to add the doc for it. |
| 10:20 | rangi | yep |
| 10:20 | kf | most do |
| 10:20 | jcamins | Don't we? |
| 10:21 | wizzyrea | i mean formalise that. |
| 10:21 | kf | we can put it in the coding guidelines |
| 10:21 | wizzyrea | that. |
| 10:21 | jcamins | Huh. It's msising. |
| 10:21 | *missing | |
| 10:21 | Fixing that now. | |
| 10:21 | rangi | cool |
| 10:21 | kf | #action add to coding guidelines: devs have to document changes to the database schema |
| 10:21 | wizzyrea | jcamins++ |
| 10:21 | gmcharlt | jcamins++ |
| 10:21 | * kf | assumes |
| 10:21 | kf | #agreed Nicole Engard elected for Database Documentation Manager 3.14 |
| 10:21 | jcamins | We can go ahead and vote. |
| 10:21 | rangi | no objections to nicole doing it |
| 10:21 | cjh | wizzyrea++ good spot |
| 10:22 | tcohen | nengard++ |
| 10:22 | rangi | but its super easy for anyone else to do whenever they are looking at kohastructure.sql too |
| 10:22 | gmcharlt | nengard++ |
| 10:22 | wizzyrea | yep, super ez |
| 10:22 | rangi | so lets try and have her manage, not have to write everythign too |
| 10:22 | wizzyrea | ^ this |
| 10:23 | gmcharlt | ^^ this this |
| 10:23 | thd | wizzyrea rangi++ |
| 10:24 | kf | ok, next is QAM |
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| 10:24 | kf | morning drojf ;) |
| 10:24 | drojf | #info Mirko Tietgen, Berlin, late |
| 10:24 | hu kf :) | |
| 10:24 | hi | |
| 10:24 | wahanui | bonjour, drojf |
| 10:24 | * gmcharlt | jumps in |
| 10:25 | kf | thx gmcharlt |
| 10:25 | gmcharlt | any objections to kf's proposal to continue as QAM? |
| 10:25 | rangi | who could object after 101 passed qa in march ! |
| 10:25 | wizzyrea | ikr! |
| 10:25 | magnuse | indeed! |
| 10:26 | wizzyrea | for reals we'd be mad to object. |
| 10:26 | sekjal | kf++ |
| 10:26 | kf | a week of hackfest certainly helped there - sadly there is not one every month :) |
| 10:26 | cjh | kf++ keep up the magic |
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| 10:26 | * gmcharlt | calls it |
| 10:26 | gmcharlt | #info Katrin Fischer continuing on as QAM for Koha |
| 10:26 | kf++ | |
| 10:26 | wizzyrea | kf++ |
| 10:26 | drojf | kf++ |
| 10:27 | kf | thx :) |
| 10:27 | tcohen | kf++ |
| 10:27 | gmcharlt | cait++ # and since you're really two people, we get twice the work! ;) |
| 10:27 | magnuse | kf++ |
| 10:27 | kf | ok, quickly moving on - quality assurance team! |
| 10:27 | magnuse | hackfest_every_month++ |
| 10:27 | cjh | the proposed QA team looks awesome |
| 10:27 | kf | totally awesome |
| 10:27 | any objections? | |
| 10:27 | rangi | cept that chris guy, i object to him |
| 10:28 | cjh | yeah, I hear he is pretty sloppy with QA. |
| 10:28 | kf | rangi: your objection is marked invalid |
| 10:28 | jcamins | Nice try. |
| 10:28 | rangi | dang |
| 10:28 | wizzyrea | it's a sad state to be in if you find yourself objectionable. |
| 10:28 | drojf | anyone got a wiki link for me? |
| 10:28 | cjh | drojf: http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]ki/Roles_for_3.14 |
| 10:28 | kf | http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]ki/Roles_for_3.14 |
| 10:28 | drojf | thx :) |
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| 10:29 | * kf | hopes for a bright future with short QA queues :) |
| 10:29 | rangi | seriously tho, no objections |
| 10:29 | kf | ok, let me type that then |
| 10:29 | cjh | bag++ khall++ first timers :) |
| 10:30 | kf | #agreed Marcel de Rooy, Chris Cormack, Jonathan Druart, Brendan Gallagher, Mason James, Paul Poulain and Kyle M Hall are going to be the QA team for 3.14 |
| 10:30 | hope no typos :) | |
| 10:30 | rangi | i think im the only person to get fired from QA |
| 10:30 | paul_p | lol |
| 10:30 | kf | noe we can move on to the release maintainers, can we do them in bulk? |
| 10:30 | wizzyrea | by yourself! |
| 10:30 | kf | rangi: you will have to try very hard to make that happen :) |
| 10:31 | gmcharlt | no objection to voting on the RMaints all at once |
| 10:32 | kf | ok, so I am asking for all of them - any objections? |
| 10:32 | very glad to see so many first timers myself! | |
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| 10:32 | tcohen | my gf objects |
| 10:32 | jcamins | None from me. |
| 10:32 | wizzyrea | lol tcohen |
| 10:32 | bgkriegel | ouch |
| 10:32 | gmcharlt | none from me |
| 10:32 | jcamins | lol |
| 10:32 | magnuse | lol from me |
| 10:32 | wizzyrea | i mean, really? tell her we will send her um........ cookies and... fudge |
| 10:32 | rangi | none from me |
| 10:33 | paul_p | none from me as well |
| 10:33 | wizzyrea | and... um.... gah I don't know what she likes. Flowers? |
| 10:33 | tcohen | cookies wizzyrea |
| 10:33 | cjh | wizzyrea: do all objections get cookies? |
| 10:33 | paul_p | except, maybe : welcome south-america ;-) |
| 10:33 | wizzyrea | only if they are partner related |
| 10:33 | drojf | i won't object if i get cookies |
| 10:33 | bgkriegel | :) |
| 10:34 | kf | cjh: don't think about it! |
| 10:34 | #agreed Release Maintainers will be: Tomás Cohen Arazi (3.12.x), Bernardo Gonzalez Kriegel (3.10.x) and Chris Hall (3.8.x) | |
| 10:34 | packaging manager: Robin Sheat /eythian | |
| 10:34 | any objections? | |
| 10:34 | rangi | nope |
| 10:34 | wizzyrea | he's the best, no objections. |
| 10:35 | gmcharlt | no objections |
| 10:35 | wizzyrea | well you're all the best. |
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| 10:35 | kf | no objections from me, eythian++ |
| 10:35 | drojf | any objection is considered volunteering :P |
| 10:35 | wizzyrea | kek |
| 10:35 | kf | #agreed Robin Sheat named as Packaging Manager 3.14 |
| 10:35 | rangi | ah thats why mine didnt work, i got in a recursive loop |
| 10:35 | drojf | lol rangi |
| 10:35 | wizzyrea | hehehe |
| 10:36 | kf | ok, live cd and vm manager |
| 10:36 | hm question from me - are those really different things? | |
| 10:36 | rangi | no objections, but i am not sure what those roles are supposed to do :) |
| 10:37 | drojf | i wanted to ask... what is a avm manager? |
| 10:37 | jcamins | I believe so, yes. |
| 10:37 | drojf | *vm |
| 10:37 | wizzyrea | if they are willing to do it, I'm willing to let them |
| 10:37 | * magnuse | imagines the vm manager making vm "images" that can be downloaded and loaded into e.g. virtualbox |
| 10:37 | tcohen | different things |
| 10:38 | drojf | it wouldn't hurt to give a short description of the role if it is newly introduced, i think |
| 10:38 | jcamins | I think the idea is that the VM manager is responsible for packaging the VM, and the live CD is manager is responsible for packaging the live cd/dvd, which require different tools, skillsets, and possibly configurations. |
| 10:38 | magnuse | what he said |
| 10:38 | drojf | jcamins: "the VM" as in "the official Koha VM"? |
| 10:38 | jcamins | drojf: I suspect no one is sure what the roles were for, since the people who added them in 3.10 never showed up to explain. |
| 10:38 | kf | so we think both are valid - do we have objections? |
| 10:39 | jcamins | "the VM" as in "a demo VM that includes Koha." |
| 10:39 | paul_p | sorry, but I have to leave now to grab some food for lunch before an important meeting. se ya ! |
| 10:39 | kf | do we want to postpone the discussion and ask for proposals? |
| 10:39 | drojf | jcamins: ok. i won't stop anyone from doing that |
| 10:39 | jcamins | No. |
| 10:39 | wizzyrea | naw |
| 10:39 | magnuse | nah |
| 10:39 | gmcharlt | +1 to ask for details, but no need to postpone |
| 10:39 | sekjal | it'd be really good to have someone responsible for keeping the Koha Live CD/DVDs up to date |
| 10:40 | kf | ok, so no objections, I am starting to type the agreeds :) |
| 10:40 | wizzyrea | ^ |
| 10:40 | kf | #agreed Live CD/DVD Manager: Nguyen Quoc Uy |
| 10:40 | #agreed VM Manager: Samuel Desseaux | |
| 10:40 | wizzyrea | also I think it should be understood that this person is in charge of the canonical live CD/DVD |
| 10:40 | and the canonical VM | |
| 10:40 | kf | #action ask on mailing list for details about roles of live cd/dvd manager and vm manager |
| 10:40 | drojf | sekjal: it would be cool if that someone would frequent the irc though |
| 10:40 | sekjal | drojf: agreed |
| 10:41 | drojf | that did not really happen with the last dvd manager i think |
| 10:41 | kf | ok 2 more to go people |
| 10:41 | Bug Wrangler: magnuse | |
| 10:42 | drojf | yay, last bug wrangler standing |
| 10:42 | kf | any objections? |
| 10:42 | * gmcharlt | removes magnuse's wiki editing privileges for now ;) |
| 10:42 | * wizzyrea | really appreciates slef's emails about bugs to check |
| 10:42 | rangi | no objections |
| 10:42 | gmcharlt | no objections |
| 10:42 | kf | wizzyrea: I agree! slef++ for those |
| 10:42 | and no objections about magnuse | |
| 10:42 | gmcharlt | slef++ |
| 10:43 | wizzyrea | sorry that was kind of random. |
| 10:43 | tcohen | magnuse++ |
| 10:43 | kf | #agreed Magnus Enger is Bug Wrangler for 3.14 |
| 10:43 | do we have some other last minute candidates? :) | |
| 10:43 | gmcharlt | magnuse++ |
| 10:43 | wizzyrea | magnuse++ |
| 10:43 | kf | magnuse++ |
| 10:43 | * magnuse | blushes |
| 10:43 | kf | else... last but not least: Newsletter Editor: Daniel Grobani |
| 10:43 | any objections? | |
| 10:43 | wizzyrea | he does fantastic newsletters. |
| 10:43 | magnuse | and yeah, more bug wranglers would be good |
| 10:43 | gmcharlt | none from me |
| 10:44 | magnuse | danielg++ |
| 10:44 | gmcharlt | danielg++ |
| 10:44 | kf | #agreed Daniel Grobani to continue as Newsletter Editor |
| 10:45 | BobB | The new Koha team is awesome! |
| 10:45 | kf | ok, I will mess with the sequence a bit today |
| 10:45 | slef | :) next old bugs email in a bit, but rangi suggested a few |
| 10:45 | kf | and ask for news about kohacon next |
| 10:45 | slef | so I held off, to hope people will look at them |
| 10:45 | wizzyrea | do you select those by hand? |
| 10:45 | kf | #topic Kohacon2013 |
| 10:45 | Topic for #koha is now Kohacon2013 (Meeting topic: Koha IRC Meeting) | |
| 10:45 | slef | nah it's a script I probably ought to put on the wiki now it's stable |
| 10:45 | wizzyrea | cooooool |
| 10:46 | slef | or in our public git |
| 10:46 | kf | someone here for kohacon? |
| 10:46 | magnuse | putting_things_on_the_wiki++ :-) |
| 10:46 | rangi | call for presentations deadline is 15 april |
| 10:46 | 2 weeks! | |
| 10:46 | wahanui | somebody said 2 weeks was not good nor bad, but thinking makes it so. |
| 10:46 | rangi | submit your talks |
| 10:46 | oleonard | Waaay too early for the west coast |
| 10:46 | rangi | hurry up |
| 10:46 | i know where you live | |
| 10:46 | etc | |
| 10:46 | kf | #info only 2 weeks until presentations deadline! |
| 10:47 | tcohen | is that a definitive deadline kf? |
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| 10:47 | thd | How many presentations have proposed currently? |
| 10:47 | * oleonard | solicits suggestions for UI/template/frontend presentations they might like to see |
| 10:47 | BobB | hi dcook |
| 10:47 | rangi | not many i think around 7 or 8 thd |
| 10:47 | dcook | Hey BobB |
| 10:47 | rangi | ppl always wait until the last minute tho |
| 10:47 | kf | tcohen: They set a deadline to make it possible to plan, if you are not sure about it, maybe contact Nancy directly? |
| 10:47 | * magnuse | needs to figure out if he will be able to go to reno or not... |
| 10:48 | rangi | thats why you have to make deadlines |
| 10:48 | wizzyrea | oleonard: eradicating yui, the bootstrap path to zen. |
| 10:48 | kf | yep |
| 10:48 | wizzyrea | or something. |
| 10:48 | tcohen | thanks kf |
| 10:48 | rangi | otherwise you get to october and ppl are still procrastinating :) |
| 10:48 | magnuse | hehe |
| 10:48 | kf | yeah, and noone can plan their trip because no program :) |
| 10:48 | rangi | yep |
| 10:48 | wizzyrea | you can always unconference! |
| 10:48 | * wizzyrea | runs away giggling |
| 10:49 | kf | ok, I think wemove on now :) |
| 10:49 | slef | magnuse: comiserations. Pretty sure I won't, as another non-profit client seems to have gone nuts. They just offered to pay like a third of their bill :-/ |
| 10:49 | dcook | I'm up for presenting something. I just don't know what yet. Something for newbs |
| 10:49 | wizzyrea | actually I like unconferences |
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| 10:49 | kf | #topic Updates on 3.8 and 3.10 |
| 10:49 | Topic for #koha is now Updates on 3.8 and 3.10 (Meeting topic: Koha IRC Meeting) | |
| 10:49 | kf | rangi? still awake? |
| 10:49 | oleonard | Hi jransom |
| 10:49 | slef | wizzyrea: we might try to co-host a UK unconference this year. Tips welcome! ;) |
| 10:49 | kf | ;) |
| 10:49 | magnuse | slef: ouch! |
| 10:49 | wizzyrea | oo fun |
| 10:50 | BobB | hi jo! |
| 10:50 | jransom | waves sleepily at everyone :) |
| 10:50 | wizzyrea | hi jransom |
| 10:50 | cjh | hey jransom |
| 10:50 | wahanui | jransom is the boss at the library that started koha :-) |
| 10:50 | gmcharlt | hi jransom |
| 10:50 | kf | wahanui botsnack cookie |
| 10:50 | wahanui | thanks kf :) |
| 10:51 | kf | and hi jransom |
| 10:51 | rangi | yep |
| 10:51 | magnuse | (slef: the ouch was for the nutty client, not for the unconf, of course) |
| 10:51 | rangi | both will be released on time |
| 10:51 | dcook | Hey jransom. Good to see you again |
| 10:51 | rangi | on the 22nd of april |
| 10:51 | slef | magnuse: (I guessed.) |
| 10:51 | rangi | nothing more to add really |
| 10:51 | kf | rangi++ |
| 10:51 | gmcharlt | rangi++ |
| 10:51 | jransom | congrats galen yoy miver and shaker you - well deserved |
| 10:51 | magnuse | rangi++ |
| 10:51 | gmcharlt | jransom: thanks! :) |
| 10:51 | kf | #info 3.8.x and 3.10.x releases on schedule |
| 10:51 | jransom: and now also our next RM :) | |
| 10:52 | wizzyrea | rang++ many years of hard work, not enough karma in the world to make up for it |
| 10:52 | * kf | hands wizzyrea an i |
| 10:52 | magnuse | too true |
| 10:52 | wizzyrea | rangi++ there we go |
| 10:52 | dcook | Rangi++ |
| 10:52 | kf | ok, last |
| 10:52 | tcohen | rangi++ |
| 10:52 | kf | #topic Update 3.12 |
| 10:52 | Topic for #koha is now Update 3.12 (Meeting topic: Koha IRC Meeting) | |
| 10:52 | jransom | I saw that on twitter - and thus swung on by |
| 10:52 | dcook | I offer beer in Reno :p |
| 10:52 | jcamins | 3.12 is on schedule. |
| 10:52 | #info String freeze for 3.12 starts May 1 | |
| 10:53 | I am currently reporting a blocker which will result in the reversion of bug 7740 if it is not fixed with alacrity. | |
| 10:53 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7740 new feature, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Pushed to Master , Highlight items in own library in search results/detail page in OPAC |
| 10:53 | * magnuse | tries to inspire himeself to translate 3.12 |
| 10:53 | slef | dcook: man cannot live by beer alone. But it's fun to try! |
| 10:53 | jcamins | As we get closer and closer to release time, I will revert faster and faster, so if you find a blocker, fix it before I do! |
| 10:54 | And that's about it. | |
| 10:54 | wizzyrea | @quote add slef: man cannot live by beer alone. But it's fun to try! |
| 10:54 | huginn | wizzyrea: The operation succeeded. Quote #239 added. |
| 10:54 | oleonard | On the first try even wizzyrea! |
| 10:54 | * tcohen | hears voices in his head, saying "unit teeeeestssss" |
| 10:54 | * wizzyrea | made sure it would work |
| 10:54 | jcamins | Any questions? |
| 10:54 | kf | jcamins++ |
| 10:54 | magnuse | jcamins++ |
| 10:55 | bgkriegel | jcamins++ |
| 10:55 | gmcharlt | jcamins++ |
| 10:55 | tcohen | jcamins++ |
| 10:55 | wizzyrea | jcamins++ |
| 10:55 | kf | ok, no questions :) |
| 10:55 | wizzyrea | 3.12 gonna be the best yet! |
| 10:56 | kf | do we have anything else on the agenda that I missed? or can we set the date for the next meeting? |
| 10:56 | and please someone help to figure out the time correctly | |
| 10:56 | slef | kf: 02:00 UTC |
| 10:56 | kf | ew |
| 10:57 | gmcharlt | looks like all of the action items from the previous meeting have been handled |
| 10:57 | slef | jcamins: please could you use the summary box on wiki edits? |
| 10:57 | jcamins | slef: if I remember, sure. |
| 10:57 | rangi | hmm little issue with 3.12 |
| 10:57 | kf | #info reminder: use summary box when editing wiki pages |
| 10:57 | rangi | we should use more marc |
| 10:57 | wahanui | http://02varvara.files.wordpre[…]no-bear.jpg?w=800 |
| 10:57 | kf | ok, date |
| 10:57 | magnuse | lol |
| 10:57 | wizzyrea | looool |
| 10:57 | kf | next meeting will be in may |
| 10:58 | what about... | |
| 10:58 | magnuse | maybe we could store the borrowers as marc records? |
| 10:58 | kf | 7th? |
| 10:58 | wahanui | it has been said that 7th is worth a try |
| 10:58 | drojf | magnuse: yay! |
| 10:58 | gmcharlt | magnuse: there are systems that do that, actually |
| 10:58 | BobB | magnuse: lol |
| 10:58 | kf | thx wahanui |
| 10:58 | wahanui | yw |
| 10:59 | * kf | watis for objections |
| 10:59 | gmcharlt | +1 Tuesday, 7 May |
| 10:59 | drojf | a marcalendar would always know when to do a meeting |
| 10:59 | magnuse | gmcharlt: moahahaha |
| 10:59 | kf | #agreed Next Koha IRC Meeting will be Tuesday 7 May - 02:00 UTC |
| 10:59 | magnuse | yay |
| 10:59 | kf | #endmeeting |
| 10:59 | Topic for #koha is now Welcome to #koha this channel is for discussion of the Koha project and software http://koha-community.org. Next general IRC meeting 3 April 2013 at 10:00 UTC | |
| 10:59 | huginn | Meeting ended Wed Apr 3 10:59:45 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) |
| 10:59 | Minutes: http://meetings.koha-community[…]-04-03-10.04.html | |
| 10:59 | Minutes (text): http://meetings.koha-community[…]3-04-03-10.04.txt | |
| 10:59 | Log: http://meetings.koha-community[…]03-10.04.log.html | |
| 10:59 | gmcharlt | kf++ |
| 10:59 | magnuse | kf++ |
| 11:00 | tcohen | cait++ |
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| 11:00 | * gmcharlt | stumbles back to bed |
| 11:00 | BobB | 0200 UTC is quite civilised if one is not a European or an African |
| 11:00 | oleonard | gmcharlt: :P |
| 11:00 | * oleonard | stumbles off to work |
| 11:00 | jcamins | Well done. |
| 11:00 | Exactly one hour. | |
| 11:00 | jransom | bib: what time for you ? |
| 11:01 | kf | jcamins: not too bad eh? :P |
| 11:01 | tajoli left #koha | |
| 11:01 | dcook | Irc while on phone in the rain means I'm totally not on the right street anymore... |
| 11:01 | BobB | jransom, noon here |
| 11:01 | manny left #koha | |
| 11:01 | jransom | very civilized |
| 11:01 | * magnuse | hands jcamins a s/bib/BobB/ |
| 11:01 | jcamins | magnuse: thanks... |
| 11:01 | kf | time to have lunch before conference call |
| 11:01 | bbl :) | |
| 11:01 | BobB | I thought 'bib' was 'bob' with a kiwi accent. :) |
| 11:02 | * thd | returns to sleep for the third time this morning :) |
| 11:02 | tcohen | time to have breakfast bye |
| 11:02 | magnuse | BobB: lol :-) |
| 11:02 | jransom | lol |
| 11:02 | night all | |
| 11:02 | wahanui | goodnight jransom. You'll be back. |
| 11:02 | BobB | :) |
| 11:02 | thanks everyone, good night. | |
| 11:02 | drojf | time to wake up |
| 11:02 | bgkriegel | to work, bye |
| 11:03 | dcook | Oh wow...I'm really walking in the opposite direction of home now |
| 11:03 | . | |
| 11:03 | * rangi | goes to sleep |
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| 11:03 | dcook | Night BobB |
| 11:04 | tcohen | bye rangi |
| 11:04 | wizzyrea | someone needs a hug. |
| 11:04 | wahanui | http://media-cache-ec3.pintere[…]205a2a0819323.jpg |
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| 11:05 | * wizzyrea | goes to slee..zzzzzzzzzz |
| 11:06 | jcamins | On the subject of presentations at KohaCon, anything folks would like to hear me talk about? |
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| 11:07 | magnuse | jcamins: the search rewrite? |
| 11:07 | wahanui | the search rewrite is, like, http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]earch_Rewrite_RFC |
| 11:07 | dcook | Hmm. Good question, jcamins |
| 11:07 | jcamins | magnuse: ooh, not a bad idea. |
| 11:08 | dcook | Actually yeah. It would be nice to learn more about how it currently works and your vision for it |
| 11:09 | * oleonard | back soon |
| 11:09 | jcamins | Currently it doesn't work. That's why I proposed a rewrite. :P |
| 11:09 | But, good point. | |
| 11:09 | dcook | :p |
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| 11:13 | jcamins | @later tell oleonard You know what might be nice? One of those static save bars on the patron edit screen. |
| 11:13 | huginn | jcamins: The operation succeeded. |
| 11:19 | magnuse | heh, a math geek friend just pointed out this: "Since version 3, TeX has used an idiosyncratic version numbering system, where updates have been indicated by adding an extra digit at the end of the decimal, so that the version number asymptotically approaches π. This is a reflection of the fact that TeX is now very stable, and only minor updates are anticipated. The current version of TeX is 3.1415926; it was last updated in March 2008." |
| 11:19 | * magnuse | does not think koha is quite ready for that though :-) |
| 11:19 | jcamins | magnuse: probably not. |
| 11:21 | jenkins_koha | Starting build #1134 for job Koha_master (previous build: FIXED) |
| 11:22 | huginn | New commit(s) kohagit: Merge branch 'bug_9981' into 3.12-master <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]9fd0712eb6d3add7f> / Bug 9981: Handle sort1 field when duplicating patron <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]f0c0ed39f710b8df5> / Merge branch 'bug_4862' into 3.12-master <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]tdiff;h=19d042a83 |
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| 11:26 | jaysql | wtf is koha? |
| 11:26 | wahanui | i heard koha was a free software ils see http://koha-community.org for more info |
| 11:27 | jaysql | wtf is koha, u fucking retarded mongoloids |
| 11:27 | i found a bug in koha:) | |
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| 11:29 | jcamins | jaysql: we generally try to keep the channel polite. |
| 11:29 | jaysql | wellsuck my dick |
| 11:29 | u piece of fucking shit | |
| 11:30 | magnuse | yay for network policy |
| 11:30 | dcook_ | Convenient |
| 11:30 | Ahhh! Big puddle | |
| 11:30 | Glad I didn't swear in frustration... | |
| 11:31 | magnuse | hehe |
| 11:32 | dcook_ | Almost home. Time to log off. |
| 11:32 | Eythian++ | |
| 11:33 | Andchat is a neat app :) | |
| 11:33 | Night all :) | |
| 11:33 | magnuse | good night dcook_ |
| 11:35 | drojf | oh the candidate for tourette syndrome manager was late for the meeting |
| 11:35 | jcamins | lol |
| 11:35 | We should get cait ops. | |
| 11:36 | drojf | yay, more power to the qam |
| 11:36 | jcamins | All power to the QAM! Soviets! Whatever! |
| 11:36 | magnuse | excellent idea |
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| 11:47 | kf_lunch | ? |
| 11:47 | yes, give me ops! :P | |
| 11:50 | magnuse | who does that? |
| 11:51 | jcamins | I think rangi. |
| 11:51 | magnuse | ah |
| 11:55 | hm, that's weird | |
| 11:55 | jcamins | Uh-oh. |
| 11:55 | magnuse | yeah... |
| 11:55 | i upgraded the "master" package install | |
| 11:55 | and get lots of db errors | |
| 11:55 | jcamins | Oh? |
| 11:56 | magnuse | they are all Use of uninitialized value in numeric lt (<) |
| 11:56 | pastebot | "magnuse" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "Use of uninitialized value in numeric lt" (48 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/452 |
| 11:57 | magnuse | current version is 3.11-1~git+20130328115425.5fe6d9f7 |
| 11:57 | last update was during the hackfest, so ~2 weeks ago | |
| 11:58 | jcamins | Hm. |
| 11:58 | Could you have accidentally deleted the Version syspref? | |
| 11:58 | magnuse | lemme check |
| 11:59 | ah, the install is completely broken | |
| 11:59 | only has 64 tables | |
| 11:59 | jcamins | That doesn't seem good. |
| 12:01 | magnuse | nope |
| 12:01 | ah, the server was out of disk space for a while | |
| 12:01 | jcamins | That'd do it. |
| 12:01 | Or, could do it, anyway. | |
| 12:01 | magnuse | yeah, probably related |
| 12:02 | * magnuse | drops and recreates the db |
| 12:07 | magnuse | jcamins: will you do more beta packages? they are really good for testing things |
| 12:07 | jcamins | magnuse: probably. |
| 12:08 | I don't have a particular milestone in mind at this point, but a lot more people install them than I expected. | |
| 12:09 | magnuse | i could build them myself, of course :-) |
| 12:12 | jcamins | :) |
| 12:13 | * magnuse | fires up virtualbox |
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| 12:28 | tcohen | morning #koha |
| 12:31 | jenkins_koha | Project Koha_master build #1134: SUCCESS in 1 hr 9 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]Koha_master/1134/ |
| 12:31 | * Kyle M Hall: Bug 9971 - Plugins system is broken! | |
| 12:31 | * Chris Nighswonger: Bug 9535 - Patron card creator "Remove duplicates" function doesn't work | |
| 12:31 | * Owen Leonard: Bug 9970 - Add datepicker default configuration to OPAC patron entry form | |
| 12:31 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9971 critical, P5 - low, ---, kyle.m.hall, Pushed to Master , Plugins system is broken! |
| 12:31 | jenkins_koha | * Owen Leonard: Bug 9877 - Use DataTables on funds administration page |
| 12:31 | * Jonathan Druart: Bug 9877: Followup: FIX if the table is empty. | |
| 12:31 | * Fridolyn SOMERS: Bug 9683: Allow disable rewrite apache mod | |
| 12:31 | * Liz Rea: bug 4862 - Change label of Browse by subject or author to Authority search | |
| 12:31 | * Owen Leonard: Bug 9981: Handle sort1 field when duplicating patron | |
| 12:31 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9535 major, P5 - low, ---, cnighswonger, Pushed to Master , Patron card creator "Remove duplicates" function doesn't work |
| 12:31 | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9970 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Add datepicker widget default configuration to OPAC patron entry form | |
| 12:31 | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9877 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Use DataTables on funds administration page | |
| 12:31 | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9683 normal, P5 - low, ---, fridolyn.somers, Pushed to Master , Allow disable rewrite apache mod | |
| 12:31 | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4862 minor, P5 - low, ---, liz, Pushed to Master , "Browse by subject" is misnamed | |
| 12:31 | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9981 trivial, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Sort1 not automatically cleared when duplicating a patron | |
| 12:32 | magnuse | success! \o/ |
| 12:34 | jcamins | 58 more patches to reach #5. |
| 12:34 | And I'll never hit #4. | |
| 12:39 | magnuse | sure you will! |
| 12:39 | just keep on hacking | |
| 12:39 | jcamins | I doubt it. |
| 12:39 | magnuse | which stats are you looking at? |
| 12:39 | jcamins | gmcharlt has 1300 patches, and he'll be the one doing the the merges starting soon. |
| 12:39 | git.koha-community.org/stats/koha-master/authors.html | |
| 12:40 | * jcamins | is perfectly okay with cheating on his statistics and counting merge commits. |
| 12:40 | jcamins | And git log. |
| 12:40 | git log --author=camins --pretty=oneline | wc | |
| 12:41 | magnuse | volunteer as rm lots of times in the future? :-) |
| 12:41 | jcamins | lol |
| 12:41 | That does not seem likely, does it? | |
| 12:42 | tcohen | the vast majority wouldnt object i think, and we are a democratic community |
| 12:42 | jcamins | Hehe. |
| 12:42 | Yes, but a small, vocal minority would. | |
| 12:42 | * magnuse | aspires to getting ahead of wizzyrea |
| 12:43 | jcamins | Three patches to go! |
| 12:43 | * magnuse | has been keeping an eye on the numbers on ohloh, which are different |
| 12:45 | jcamins | They look about the same to me. |
| 12:46 | magnuse | the git page says 72 for me, ohloh says 69 |
| 12:46 | maybe ohloh is not quite up to date, though | |
| 12:46 | jcamins | Yeah, it's 9 days old. |
| 12:46 | magnuse | ah, that would do it |
| 12:48 | oh well, time for walkies | |
| 12:48 | or "wading through the snow"-ies | |
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| 12:52 | kf_lunch | magnuse: don't get lost! |
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| 12:53 | * oleonard | grumble grumble mibbit grumble |
| 12:53 | kf_lunch | h oleonard :) |
| 12:53 | oleonard | Someone seems to have blocked IRC on my network today. |
| 12:53 | kf_lunch | ew |
| 12:54 | oleonard | No idea who or why. |
| 12:54 | drojf | to stop the terrorists |
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| 13:00 | mib_hello | /msg nickserv Hoangthuy1 |
| 13:01 | quocuy | msg nickserv register Hoangthuy1 nguyenquocuy_1102yahoo.com |
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| 13:04 | jcamins | quocuy: you missed the forward slash at the beginning. |
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| 13:07 | quocuy | why/? |
| 13:08 | what time is it? i think 1 hour more will be the meeting? | |
| 13:09 | oleonard | 10UTC was three hours ago quocuy :( |
| 13:10 | quocuy | ??? |
| 13:11 | so i missed the meeting? | |
| 13:11 | drojf | yes |
| 13:12 | jcamins | quocuy: you need to put a slash before the msg command. |
| 13:12 | drojf | and you need to change your passwort |
| 13:12 | oleonard | http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]ing,_3_April_2013 <-- links to the minutes and the log if you're interested quocuy |
| 13:13 | quocuy | ok, thanks |
| 13:13 | Topic for #koha is now Welcome to #koha this channel is for discussion of the Koha project and software http://koha-community.org. Next general IRC meeting 7 May 2013 at 02:00 UTC | |
| 13:13 | quocuy | it's ok, i already did it :) |
| 13:15 | * oleonard | prepares a vast tribute of riches to bestow upon the new RM, just to be on the safe side |
| 13:15 | tcohen | how often are the squeeze-dev packages updated? |
| 13:15 | quocuy | Ok AGREED: Live CD/DVD Manager: Nguyen Quoc Uy (kf, 10:40:10) i saw it |
| 13:15 | jcamins | tcohen: about once a week. |
| 13:15 | Give or take. | |
| 13:15 | tcohen | 10:40:10 <kf> #agreed Live CD/DVD Manager: Nguyen Quoc Uy |
| 13:16 | oleonard | quocuy: Yes, you don't have to be present to win :) |
| 13:16 | jcamins | Indeed, we often prefer that people not be present, so that we can volunteer them for things. |
| 13:16 | quocuy | ok, thanks :) |
| 13:16 | jcamins | gmcharlt, for example. |
| 13:17 | Okay, not really. He did run for RM. | |
| 13:17 | oleonard | I didn't really think Bug 9887 would make it on the first try. |
| 13:17 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9887 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED , Use DataTables on circulation page |
| 13:17 | * oleonard | will try again |
| 13:17 | oleonard | dcook++ # for testing |
| 13:20 | Congratulations duly-re-elected translations manager druthb | |
| 13:20 | druthb | o/ |
| 13:21 | Thanks, oleonard. | |
| 13:21 | I intended to be there, in the interest of not getting drafted for something *else*, but it just wasn't happenin'. | |
| 13:22 | oleonard | Everyone not present was bestowed the title "Co-bug-wrangler" |
| 13:22 | jcamins | Except you, druthb. |
| 13:22 | You're chief bug wrangler. | |
| 13:22 | druthb | I hope you doubled my salary in the process. |
| 13:22 | jcamins | Of course. |
| 13:23 | druthb | wahoo! |
| 13:23 | oleonard | What the heck, let's double it again!! |
| 13:23 | druthb | oleonard++ |
| 13:24 | quocuy | i'll often be here, just today miss meeting about time. Ok i read all the meeting, you guys so humorous :) |
| 13:26 | jcamins | Does anyone have an e-mail address for Chris Hall? |
| 13:27 | oleonard | jcamins: Look in Bugzilla? |
| 13:27 | jcamins | Mostly I'm seeing conversations between Chris Cormack and Kyle Hall. |
| 13:27 | Found it. | |
| 13:27 | chrish. | |
| 13:28 | * oleonard | does all his snooping through Bugzilla |
| 13:28 | quocuy | only 2 weeks until presentations deadline! what presentation? :) |
| 13:28 | oleonard | KohaCon13 |
| 13:28 | wahanui | KohaCon13 is http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]KohaCon13_Summary |
| 13:29 | oleonard | Where are you located quocuy? |
| 13:29 | druthb | Guess Id better get mine put together then, hm. I promised Nancy a preso. |
| 13:29 | jcamins | druthb: I'm not sure what I'm talking about. |
| 13:29 | Someone suggested the search rewrite. | |
| 13:29 | quocuy | i'm in russia |
| 13:29 | so it seem i can't help? | |
| 13:30 | druthb | I know vaguely what I'm gonna do, jcamins, just haven't figured out an abstract for it. |
| 13:30 | Or a title. | |
| 13:30 | wahanui | well, a title is right in the breadcrumbs |
| 13:30 | jcamins | Oh? |
| 13:30 | oleonard | wahanui: That means the title is rattling around in my keyboard? |
| 13:30 | wahanui | i haven't a clue, oleonard |
| 13:30 | druthb | wahanui: botsnack rat poison |
| 13:30 | wahanui | :) |
| 13:31 | * druthb | chuckles evilly. |
| 13:31 | jcamins | I need to figure out what part of KohaCon I'm going for. |
| 13:31 | druthb | jcamins: Yah. I want to talk about what development has been done/is being done/needs to be done toward a truly multilingual Koha. |
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| 13:33 | oleonard | Are the already-submitted proposals available to see somewhere? |
| 13:37 | quocuy | sorry all, an old question, is there some way to change header and footer on OPAC for each branch library? |
| 13:38 | today, some one told me that, it's possible do it with changing something in apache and mysql. | |
| 13:39 | jcamins | There is a way to do that, using an environment variable, but I don't remember exactly how off the top of my head. |
| 13:39 | quocuy | there is no guide in the internet, i think. |
| 13:40 | i have search and ask about changing template depend on branches libraries | |
| 13:41 | druthb | 488 round trip from IAH via AA, 472 via UA. |
| 13:41 | quocuy | now my poor VPS working with 25 Koha-site, almost they used it to test before using, with one installation |
| 13:41 | druthb | sheesh. plane tix are outrageous! |
| 13:42 | jcamins | They sure are. |
| 13:43 | magnuse | if we all spent the money we spend on planetix on developing teleportation instead... |
| 13:44 | * magnuse | uses the -r option to build-git-snapshot and gets some files in the destination dir and some in the dir above the current dir |
| 13:45 | jcamins | magnuse: yeah, that happens to me too. |
| 13:45 | oleonard | magnuse: ...we could all be human flies by now? |
| 13:46 | magnuse | oleonard: that, or we could spend some time debugging it too |
| 13:46 | druthb | Amtrak: Bus and train, 51 hours from Houston to Reno, 67 hours back, $279 each way. Never mind that. |
| 13:46 | magnuse | druthb: lots of time for hacking ;-) |
| 13:46 | druthb | no internet. |
| 13:47 | magnuse | gah |
| 13:47 | druthb | Also no showers. Bad idea, for this fat chick. |
| 13:47 | magnuse | bring a long cable |
| 13:48 | oleonard | Hah, internet on a train in America? :P |
| 13:51 | druthb | There are some. |
| 13:51 | jcamins | Yes, they all involve tethering. :P |
| 13:51 | druthb | The Northeast Corridor and Acela service do, and they've recently added it on the Sunset Limited. |
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| 14:03 | magnuse | bug 9985 |
| 14:03 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9985 normal, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , The -r option to build-git-snapshot works only half way |
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| 14:07 | kf_lunch | jcamins: cjh |
| 14:08 | druthb | Hi, kf_lunch. |
| 14:09 | magnuse | ooh, 10k-15 |
| 14:10 | kf_lunch | magnuse: ? |
| 14:10 | * kf_lunch | nick kf |
| 14:11 | * druthb | chuckles. |
| 14:11 | magnuse | 10000 - 15 |
| 14:11 | wahanui | 9985 |
| 14:12 | magnuse | hm, what's the policy about me closing bugs i reported and patched? |
| 14:12 | gmcharlt | magnuse: if the patches were committed to the relevant release branches, I don't think there's any reason why you can't close those bugs |
| 14:12 | if I'm understanding your question correctly | |
| 14:12 | * magnuse | gotta run, will look for replies later |
| 14:12 | kf_lunch | ^^ agreed |
| 14:13 | druthb | +1 |
| 14:13 | magnuse | thanks gmcharlt and kf |
| 14:13 | kf_lunch | and for normarc noone else will... so |
| 14:14 | oleonard | Is the answer different if it's about bugs reported by someone else being closed by the patch-submitter? |
| 14:14 | kf_lunch | i think we once said ideally the bug reporter should close |
| 14:14 | but I don't see that happening | |
| 14:15 | I personally think we should automatically close all bugs after release that were pushed to this version. | |
| 14:15 | hm not sure that sentence makes sense :) | |
| 14:15 | * oleonard | got it |
| 14:15 | kf_lunch | :) |
| 14:15 | and now I have to leave...dentist | |
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| 14:16 | oleonard | And that idea makes sense too, since after something is "pushed to master" any bugs found should be addressed in a new bug report |
| 14:16 | kf_lunch | yep |
| 14:16 | and it will clean up the bug lists when you search for something | |
| 14:17 | tcohen | i was told that being rmaint meant free cookies, where do i get them? |
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| 14:18 | jcamins | tcohen: when I was rmaint, you baked them yourself. :P |
| 14:18 | druthb | at KohaCon, tcohen. |
| 14:20 | tcohen | hmmm |
| 14:20 | druthb | wahanui: cookies? |
| 14:20 | wahanui | Cookies are delicious delicacies |
| 14:20 | druthb | well, okay. |
| 14:20 | jcamins | magnuse: close 'em! |
| 14:20 | Even if someone else opened the bug. | |
| 14:21 | Reporters never close their own bugs. | |
| 14:21 | gmcharlt | (would be nice if more reporters did, though) |
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| 14:28 | jcamins | gmcharlt: it would be, but we have hundreds or thousands of bugs that haven't been closed because the reporters never do. |
| 14:28 | * jcamins | heads to distant Brooklyn. |
| 14:28 | tcohen | it is not always clear if they shuold be closed |
| 14:29 | gmcharlt | jcamins: indeed; reporters closing their bugs (after testing to confirm that the issue has been resolved) is just an ideal |
| 14:29 | tcohen | several times i just didn't know if the bug should remain open for the previous versions release maintainers |
| 14:30 | so they know about it | |
| 14:31 | gmcharlt | hmm, yeah, that is one thing I like about Launchpad -- it makes it easy to keep track of the status of a bug on multiple release branches |
| 14:31 | tcohen | should we close bugs as soon as they've hit master? |
| 14:31 | * gmcharlt | makes a note to see if we can figure out a way to get bz to do that more easily |
| 14:38 | oleonard | I'd like to see this question followed up on. The list of bugs reported by me which are "patch pushed" are mostly assigned to me as well. |
| 14:38 | The question about maintenance releases sounds tricky, unless they're clearly enhancements. | |
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| 15:04 | * druthb | hands tcohen the Velcro, and waves to nengard |
| 15:04 | nengard | hiya druthb and all |
| 15:05 | tcohen | hi nengard |
| 15:05 | recently re-elected documentation manager | |
| 15:08 | nengard | :) |
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| 15:08 | nengard | not much of a surprise |
| 15:08 | but I am happy to continue doing it :) | |
| 15:08 | tcohen | heh |
| 15:08 | nengard | it's fun for me |
| 15:08 | mtompset | Greetings, nengard. :) |
| 15:08 | Greeting, tcohen. | |
| 15:08 | Congrats again on the RM position. | |
| 15:08 | tcohen | RMaint |
| 15:09 | mtompset | Maint, Maint... next you'll be RManager in a few short months. ;) |
| 15:09 | tcohen | I am not THAT crazy |
| 15:10 | heh | |
| 15:15 | reiveune | bye |
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| 15:17 | quocuy | hi nelgard |
| 15:17 | You are my idol:) | |
| 15:17 | i often watched your video before | |
| 15:19 | mtompset | nengard is the monarch of documentation! :) |
| 15:19 | nengard | :) |
| 15:26 | quocuy | i know :) |
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| 15:47 | nengard | Thanks quocuy :) |
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| 15:51 | Nicole C. Engard: add holds faq | |
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| 15:55 | * oleonard | congratulates cait on surviving the dentist |
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| 16:02 | oleonard | If something is checked out shouldn't it always have items.onloan = 1? |
| 16:02 | I mean = <date> ? | |
| 16:03 | cait | oleonard: I came out with 2 more appointments... |
| 16:03 | so that might be too early to congratulate me | |
| 16:03 | oleonard | :( |
| 16:03 | cait | oleonard: yep it should |
| 16:03 | and if ti doesn't - we got a bigger problem | |
| 16:03 | bbl | |
| 16:07 | gmcharlt | call for information: http://koha-community.org/olly[…]ha-stand-counted/ |
| 16:08 | oleonard | onloan is getting set to NULL when the item is marked 'long overdue (lost)' |
| 16:09 | Seems like a bug to me. | |
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| 16:22 | talljoy | @seen bag |
| 16:22 | huginn | talljoy: bag was last seen in #koha 13 hours, 4 minutes, and 30 seconds ago: <bag> heh |
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| 16:39 | cait_afk | oleonard: hm maybe it should be removed from the patron account too? |
| 16:40 | oleonard | Not the way we use it. |
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| 16:44 | rambutan | test |
| 16:44 | gmcharlt's survey is racking up responses already | |
| 16:51 | drojf | opac time limit? |
| 16:52 | oleonard | drojf: timeout system pref? |
| 16:53 | drojf | oleonard: i mean http://koha-community.org/olly[…]-1/#comment-17259 |
| 16:53 | or i misunderstand and that is about general internet access being limited | |
| 16:54 | oleonard | drojf: For managing public computer usage |
| 16:54 | And yes, general internet access | |
| 16:54 | drojf | ok that makes more sense than "you got three minutes, get your books NOW NOW NOW!" :D |
| 16:55 | gmcharlt | heh |
| 16:55 | dunno, maybe that should be an added option to Koha to join the gamification of the library bandwagon | |
| 16:56 | book races! | |
| 16:56 | drojf | yay :) |
| 16:58 | speaking of gamification, i would still like to see ghosts walking through the libraries, and pills in the corners turning them blue for a while | |
| 17:01 | gmcharlt | reminds me of the Evanston Public Library; when they remodeled a while back, the director had the builders put in a few easter eggs in the children's room |
| 17:01 | e.g., touching a specific spot on a column would make nature sounds play | |
| 17:02 | drojf | heh that's cool |
| 17:02 | tcohen | jcamins, can I sign on wizzyrea's folowup for bug 9894 or should a third party do? |
| 17:02 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9894 normal, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Needs Signoff , 'hidden' value is hard to understand in frameworks |
| 17:04 | drojf | if i'd design a library i'd put in some secret rooms with doors that only turn once you touch that one special book. offering fancy secret reading rooms with different themes |
| 17:04 | a library or my future house ;) | |
| 17:06 | rambutan | and make the "magic book" remotely programmable, so that it can be changed periodically? |
| 17:07 | you know, an arduino or Pi could do this--trip a release on the door or something simple | |
| 17:11 | drojf | i'm getting way too many ideas about that :) |
| 17:12 | oleonard | tcohen: That's okay as far as I know |
| 17:13 | cait_afk | tcohen: all ok |
| 17:14 | jcamins | tcohen: please do. |
| 17:17 | * drojf | goes home |
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| 17:33 | tcohen | cait_afk, jcamins: am i allowed to do a small fix to the patch when signing? |
| 17:34 | cait_afk | it depends a bit on the fix |
| 17:34 | what's wrong? :) | |
| 17:34 | tcohen | it is not behaving correctly when drawing the page with info from the DB (i.e. the -8 value) |
| 17:35 | cait_afk | um |
| 17:35 | not sure | |
| 17:35 | tcohen | it works fine when changing stuff from the UI |
| 17:35 | cait_afk | maybe afollow up? |
| 17:35 | tcohen | I'll send wizzyrea the patch so she re attachs it |
| 17:36 | its simpler | |
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| 18:46 | magnuse | yeah, a status that says "this patch has been pushed to master and the rmaint has looked at it and will not include it in the stable release" or something similar would be nice - make it easier to close bugs that are just "pushed to stable" |
| 18:46 | gah | |
| 18:46 | *that are just "pushed to master" | |
| 18:46 | cait_afk | hm I think if they are pushed to master and enh you can close |
| 18:47 | and have been sitting there for a while - rangi looks at the queue all the time | |
| 18:47 | magnuse | yeah, but how long is a while, especially around easter... |
| 18:47 | cait_afk | I think he has caught up |
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| 18:47 | cait_afk | but maybe leave him a note? guess he shoudl be around soon |
| 18:47 | wb drojf | |
| 18:48 | drojf | thx cait_afk |
| 18:48 | * cait_afk | gives up |
| 18:48 | nick cait | |
| 18:48 | magnuse | welcome back, cait ;-) |
| 18:48 | cait | hmpf :) |
| 18:49 | drojf | heh |
| 18:51 | magnuse | @later tell rangi: planning to push Bug 9772 - "Displayed Norwegian chars correctly in the patron category dropdown on the Patrons page" to stable? if not, i'll close it |
| 18:51 | huginn | magnuse: The operation succeeded. |
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| 19:06 | Nicole C. Engard: update circ and fine rules | |
| 19:06 | bag | good day |
| 19:07 | cait | hi bag |
| 19:07 | bag | heya cait |
| 19:07 | cait | you got elected ;) |
| 19:07 | bag | coolness |
| 19:07 | wahanui | i think coolness is a factor way the hell down druthb's list, though it's on there. The ability to do druthb's editing in druthb's Editor Of Choice instead of that wonky one in WP was a big selling point, as was being able to version-control the whole site with git, and automate the upload. So far, I'm happy as a clam with this. I've got about another hours's work, and it'll be ready for me to throw WP overboard. |
| 19:08 | jcamins | lol |
| 19:08 | bag | now you'll be asking me more questions :P (which is a good thing :) ) |
| 19:08 | cait | um |
| 19:08 | hm? questions? | |
| 19:08 | bag | well more like can you QA something dood :P |
| 19:09 | not so much questions :) | |
| 19:09 | cait | oh I will try :) |
| 19:09 | learn to delegate is top on my list :) | |
| 19:09 | bag | looking forward to it |
| 19:09 | I'm a newbie so we'll start me off slowly :) | |
| 19:10 | cait | I think coding guidelines and qa script are good places to start :) |
| 19:13 | druthb | d00d! |
| 19:15 | cait | bag: but beware of the super powers that come with the job... finding bugs everywhere! |
| 19:17 | drojf | koha…has…bugs? nooooo! |
| 19:22 | magnuse | hiya bag! |
| 19:22 | bag | hey magnuse |
| 19:22 | wahanui | i think magnuse is a Norwegian giant. |
| 19:22 | magnuse | yay! |
| 19:22 | rangi | morning |
| 19:22 | cait | morning rangi :) |
| 19:22 | magnuse | kia ora rangi! |
| 19:22 | cait | wahanui: yeah, he totally is! |
| 19:22 | wahanui | cait: excuse me? |
| 19:23 | cait | wahanui, i agreed with you! |
| 19:23 | wahanui | cait: what? |
| 19:23 | cait | must be the rat poison druthb fed you... poor bot |
| 19:23 | rangi | heh |
| 19:23 | magnuse: huginn is trying to tell rangi: something :) | |
| 19:23 | druthb | wahanui: botsnack milk & cookies |
| 19:23 | wahanui | :) |
| 19:24 | druthb | cait: QAMsnack grilled cheese |
| 19:24 | magnuse | rangi: planning to push Bug 9772 - "Displayed Norwegian chars correctly in the patron category dropdown on the Patrons page" to stable? if not, i'll close it |
| 19:24 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9772 normal, P5 - low, ---, magnus, Pushed to Master , Displayed Norwegian chars correctly in the patron category dropdown on the Patrons page |
| 19:24 | cait | yum |
| 19:24 | rangi | ah yep lemme check it applies |
| 19:24 | magnuse | ...is what huginn was trying to say |
| 19:25 | * magnuse | tries to find useful koha-stuff to do, instead of all the catching up on other things he *ought* to be doing |
| 19:25 | rangi | :) |
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| 19:27 | rangi | there we go, it doesnt apply clean |
| 19:30 | magnuse | thanks rangi, i'll try and do a new patch |
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| 19:32 | magnuse | ...but probably not tonight |
| 19:33 | rangi | :) |
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| 19:43 | kathryn | hi all :) |
| 19:43 | cait | hi kathryn :) |
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| 19:44 | kathryn | hiya cait |
| 19:51 | * magnuse | cheers Bug 9172 on |
| 19:51 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9172 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Passed QA , Move TinyMCE library outside of language-specific directory |
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| 20:17 | Fridolyn SOMERS: Bug 9554: single quote in didyoumean | |
| 20:17 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9554 normal, P5 - low, ---, fridolyn.somers, Pushed to Stable , single quote in didyoumean |
| 20:17 | oleonard | I'd better stop my incessant chatter and get out of here. |
| 20:18 | Bye #koha | |
| 20:18 | rangi | heh |
| 20:18 | cya oleonard | |
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| 21:16 | eythian | hi |
| 21:16 | wahanui | bonjour, eythian |
| 21:20 | rambutan | hi |
| 21:20 | wahanui | niihau, rambutan |
| 21:21 | rambutan | 안녕 wahanui |
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| 22:58 | rambutan | @seen nengard |
| 22:58 | huginn | rambutan: nengard was last seen in #koha 7 hours, 11 minutes, and 32 seconds ago: <nengard> Thanks quocuy :) |
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| 23:47 | jcamins | Number 3460 in the mtgox verification queue! |
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| 23:56 | jcamins | LC offers Z39.50 access to authorities? |
| 23:56 | Cool! | |
| 23:56 | rangi | it does? that is handy |
| 23:56 | jcamins | Someone said that on a comment to Galen's blog post. |
| 23:56 | Right now I'm trying to confirm. | |
| 23:58 | Wow, yeah. | |
| 23:58 | Wait. | |
| 23:58 | Maybe. | |
| 23:58 | They don't really make it clear. | |
| 23:58 | * jcamins | will try. |
| 23:58 | rangi | heh |
| 23:59 | jcamins | Yes. |
| 23:59 | It does work. |
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