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| 00:52 | qu-bit joined #koha | |
| 00:58 | wizzyrea | gr where do you turn off the display of the time on the due dates? |
| 00:58 | (if you can) | |
| 00:59 | rangi | jquery |
| 00:59 | i think is all | |
| 00:59 | eythian | or tie it to the hourly loans stuff maybe? |
| 00:59 | wizzyrea | yea it really ought to be "if this is an hourly loan, show the time" |
| 00:59 | eythian | so if it's not an hourly loan thing, it doesn't display? |
| 00:59 | wizzyrea | if not... don't |
| 00:59 | rangi | im not sure how you can tell |
| 00:59 | wizzyrea | based on the rule that applied? |
| 00:59 | rangi | apart from the time being 23:59 |
| 00:59 | wizzyrea | maybe? |
| 00:59 | wahanui | maybe is, like, a momentaneous error |
| 01:00 | rangi | yeah but you dont know the rul |
| 01:00 | e | |
| 01:00 | after its applied | |
| 01:00 | and you have to store it as a date time | |
| 01:00 | wizzyrea | no, that's true. I suppose you could detect 23:59 |
| 01:00 | rangi | yup |
| 01:00 | eythian | that seems hacky to me, and bad. |
| 01:00 | wizzyrea | to me too but... |
| 01:01 | rangi | its the only way to currently do it |
| 01:01 | dcook | I'm not familiar with the hourly loans stuff, but wouldn't some libraries like to always see the time? |
| 01:01 | wizzyrea | yes. |
| 01:01 | rangi | yes |
| 01:01 | wizzyrea | sure they would |
| 01:01 | rangi | its the ones that dont use hourly loans |
| 01:01 | there is no hourly loans switch | |
| 01:01 | wizzyrea | OMG I SEE THE TIME |
| 01:01 | dcook | O_o |
| 01:01 | wizzyrea | <commence freak out> |
| 01:01 | rangi | you can just define an issuing period |
| 01:01 | eythian | y'know, if there was an "hourly loan" flag on issues, then a) this'd be easy, and b) you'd only need to process things you might care about hourly, everything else once a day. |
| 01:01 | rangi | yep |
| 01:01 | dcook | How do non-hourly loans work? |
| 01:01 | rangi | however that doesnt exist, and im not gonna rewrite hourly loans at this minute :) |
| 01:01 | dcook | Due at 11:59pm the "day" it's due? |
| 01:01 | rangi | exactly the same |
| 01:01 | yep | |
| 01:02 | eythian | why on earth not, it'd be easy :) |
| 01:02 | wizzyrea | 23:59, actually |
| 01:02 | dcook | That doesn't seem the best either |
| 01:02 | wizzyrea: :P | |
| 01:02 | rangi | you dont want to restrict to hourly either |
| 01:02 | wizzyrea | "it's just a database. How hard could it be" |
| 01:02 | rangi | a 20 min loan is valid too, we cant cope with that at the moment |
| 01:03 | dcook | Mmm, yeah, I think we had this discussion recently |
| 01:03 | rangi | but the short answer, hide it with jquery |
| 01:03 | wizzyrea | check. :) |
| 01:03 | dcook | hehe |
| 01:03 | rangi | and then if we win lotto |
| 01:03 | and want to spend it on hourly loans, rewrite | |
| 01:03 | wizzyrea | I'll donate it all to koha and we can reorganise the sysprefs and hourly loans. |
| 01:04 | actually I'll start a foundation | |
| 01:04 | :P | |
| 01:04 | rangi | id join if it was an association |
| 01:04 | wizzyrea | ok association |
| 01:04 | wahanui | i guess association is missing - but somethin gmust have changed the mapping |
| 01:04 | wizzyrea | forget association |
| 01:04 | wahanui | wizzyrea: I forgot association |
| 01:05 | dcook | If only we had all the time and money in the world... |
| 01:05 | Or infinity rather... | |
| 01:05 | wizzyrea | see: lotto |
| 01:05 | dcook | That's only what..30 million tops? :p |
| 01:05 | wizzyrea | I will invest it in... something lucrative. |
| 01:06 | then hire the RM and the rmaints | |
| 01:06 | and docmanager. | |
| 01:06 | dcook | I used to sell lotto tickets in high school, and I realized that winning the lottery wasn't enough to live a more than average lifestyle to the end |
| 01:06 | wizzyrea | and/or subsidise their employers |
| 01:06 | dcook | Mmm, that would be awesome |
| 01:07 | wizzyrea | contract for a year |
| 01:07 | rangi | or they could have just given us maybe 25% what they threw at OLE |
| 01:07 | wizzyrea | but that is all predicated on me winning the lotto. |
| 01:07 | i know right. that's the worst bit. | |
| 01:08 | rangi | indiegogo |
| 01:08 | wahanui | it has been said that indiegogo is 8%. |
| 01:08 | wizzyrea | free as in freedom. Not free as in gratis. |
| 01:08 | dcook | What's that thing the people are doing... |
| 01:08 | rangi | whats kickstarter? |
| 01:08 | dcook | Kickstarter? |
| 01:08 | yeah | |
| 01:08 | rangi | yeah they take a cut |
| 01:08 | dcook | Ahh |
| 01:08 | rangi | im wondering if it is more or less than 8% |
| 01:08 | dcook | Ask Amanda Palmer? :p |
| 01:09 | wizzyrea | heh. |
| 01:09 | rangi | heh, like she needed the money |
| 01:09 | wizzyrea | she'd probably answer on the twitterz |
| 01:09 | dcook | probably |
| 01:09 | wizzyrea | bjork tried to do a kickstarter, failed miserably |
| 01:09 | dcook | Yeah... |
| 01:09 | wizzyrea | shame really, because her project was pretty cool, a music app for kids |
| 01:09 | rangi | yeah cooler than just touring the world |
| 01:10 | dcook | Relative definition of cool I suppose, eh? |
| 01:10 | jcamins | I thought there was a class for the time? |
| 01:10 | rangi | and not paying your musicians |
| 01:10 | dcook | rangi: Definitely have written my fair share on that one |
| 01:10 | rangi | jcamins: could be |
| 01:11 | dcook: i mostly just think she's totally overated, and a bit shit really, but thats probably my nz tall poppy syndrome kicking in | |
| 01:11 | dcook | I liked her Tedtalk on asking people to give money for music rather than demanding that they do it |
| 01:11 | rangi | yup, i like the micropayments idea |
| 01:12 | rms actually had a good talk about that too | |
| 01:12 | dcook | rangi: Very overrated but that's her shtick. |
| 01:12 | rangi | direct reward to artists |
| 01:12 | dcook | Mmm, I like that idea as well |
| 01:12 | wizzyrea | oh, rangi did you see http://gittip.com |
| 01:12 | rangi | nz has pledgeme |
| 01:13 | i wish we knew like some people who like did research and stuff | |
| 01:13 | dcook | I was one of those MySpace teenagers :p. It was great. You would hear about a show put on by your local promoter. You'd listen to the music for free on MySpace. Then you'd pay to go to the show and buy the merch. |
| 01:13 | rangi | and they could find a crowdsourcing |
| 01:13 | dcook: thats not new, thats how it always worked | |
| 01:13 | record lablels, like proprietary software, are a short term aberration | |
| 01:14 | dcook | They're pretty reluctant to go |
| 01:14 | rangi | you commissioned artists, or paid for them to play |
| 01:14 | dcook | Sort of like that whole big oil thing |
| 01:14 | rangi | for centuries |
| 01:14 | dcook | Commercial software, etc |
| 01:14 | rangi | until some ppl decided, ooh i can clip some tickets here |
| 01:14 | commercial software is not proprietary software | |
| 01:14 | dcook | True |
| 01:14 | rangi | dont fall into that trap |
| 01:14 | we both get paid | |
| 01:15 | and i dont write proprietary software :) | |
| 01:15 | dcook | Very true. Bad wording on my part. I usually don't make that mistake. |
| 01:15 | rangi | lots do |
| 01:15 | specially in the library worlds | |
| 01:15 | dcook | So so so true |
| 01:15 | Folk in the library world...know enough words to make what they say completely different from what they mean sometimes | |
| 01:15 | rangi | punch cards |
| 01:16 | you only had the source code :) | |
| 01:16 | its pretty hard to not share it :) | |
| 01:16 | dcook | Unless you junk it I suppose |
| 01:16 | rangi | i mean to give it to someone to run :) |
| 01:16 | wizzyrea | you could be like my mm and leave notes taped to the fridge for the family. |
| 01:16 | on punch cards. | |
| 01:17 | rangi | heh |
| 01:17 | wizzyrea | mum* |
| 01:17 | dcook | hehe |
| 01:17 | Whoa | |
| 01:17 | you said, mum | |
| 01:17 | I didn't know folks from the US said mum | |
| 01:17 | wizzyrea | it's because my kid calls me mum now because his teachers at school call me mum. |
| 01:17 | cjh | dcook: she isn't in the states. |
| 01:17 | rangi | gittip is cool, how much do they take i wonder? |
| 01:17 | dcook | That's why I said "from" ;) |
| 01:18 | rangi | what we need is a crowdfunding app |
| 01:18 | that doesnt require amazon or paypal | |
| 01:18 | and doesnt clip the ticket too much | |
| 01:18 | wizzyrea | what we need, is to build it into koha's fines |
| 01:18 | kekekekekek | |
| 01:18 | rangi | if we can find that |
| 01:18 | then we could run a test campaign | |
| 01:18 | see how it goes | |
| 01:18 | wizzyrea | "late book - help pay for this software" |
| 01:19 | rangi | pledgeme just needs a credit card |
| 01:19 | dcook | Bitcoins? |
| 01:19 | wizzyrea | "all rounding errors are directly deposited into an unnamed bank acount in the caymans" |
| 01:19 | * dcook | actually has almost zero idea about what that actually means though |
| 01:19 | wizzyrea | when processing fines. |
| 01:19 | ^.^ | |
| 01:19 | rangi | If the project is successful, the total amount collected will be transferred from the account held by PledgeMe to the account of the project creator, less 5% due to PledgeMe by its service and fees charged by Flo2Cash (2.8% +25c per transaction)%). If we encounter any declined payments (eg. insufficient funds on card) we will seek to capture these pledges within 7 days of your project closing. |
| 01:19 | wizzyrea | note to those inevitably looking in - I don't actually mean that. |
| 01:20 | rangi | around 8% there too |
| 01:20 | dcook | Good ol' benchmarking |
| 01:21 | cjh | it would be sweet to have a kickstarter for open source software features, but with direct CC charges. |
| 01:22 | rangi | kickstarter is %5 |
| 01:22 | but yeah i think has to be amazon | |
| 01:22 | oooh | |
| 01:22 | http://selfstarter.us/ | |
| 01:23 | annoyingly amazon payments too | |
| 01:23 | but i like the idea of running our own | |
| 01:23 | wizzyrea | oo cool me too |
| 01:23 | cjh | I guess passing CC to amazon/paypal makes it easier to implement, lower risk, etc. |
| 01:24 | wizzyrea | looks like it doesn't have to use amazon |
| 01:24 | cjh | if it is open source we could (in theory) rewrite the amazon specific parts, but dealing with credit cards sounds painful. |
| 01:24 | ibeardslee | troubleshooting/buck passing is easier .. talk to amazon/paypal |
| 01:24 | wizzyrea | it says "or use your own provider" |
| 01:24 | for payments | |
| 01:24 | rangi | hmm could use dps then |
| 01:24 | wizzyrea | Selftstarter is a starting point for you to build your own solution. It is set up to collect reservations using Amazon Payments, but you can choose you own provider too. |
| 01:25 | rangi | might be worth investigating more |
| 01:25 | wizzyrea | *nod* yes yes yes |
| 01:25 | dcook | mhm |
| 01:25 | wizzyrea | YES. |
| 01:25 | dcook | I think Liz is on board |
| 01:25 | Maybe | |
| 01:25 | She's a bit vague | |
| 01:25 | wizzyrea | idk. YES. |
| 01:25 | cjh | heh |
| 01:27 | rangi | something to play with over easter |
| 01:28 | dcook | It would certainly be nice to have something set up |
| 01:28 | rangi | the trick would be then who do you distribute it too |
| 01:28 | dcook | Good birthday/christmas presents. I don't need stuff, but I'm all for people donating to Koha in my name :D |
| 01:28 | rangi | thats why i like having our own one |
| 01:28 | so different campaigns can run | |
| 01:29 | like pay jcamins to do the search rewrite | |
| 01:29 | dcook | Mmm yeah |
| 01:29 | rangi | can be really clear about where the money is going |
| 01:29 | dcook | That would certainly be a more elegant way to sponsor a project |
| 01:30 | And mtj with openID | |
| 01:30 | Wait | |
| 01:30 | slef | |
| 01:30 | * dcook | tries to remember the other day |
| 01:30 | mtj | heya, yeah was mj-ray/slef :) |
| 01:30 | dcook | I always mix up your handles in my head! |
| 01:31 | clearly :p | |
| 01:31 | I've recently heard more Persona > OpenID from non-Koha folks though | |
| 01:31 | So nice one, rangi | |
| 01:32 | jcamins | The thing I like about Persona is that the login is stored in the browser. |
| 01:33 | That makes sense to me. | |
| 01:33 | rangi | yeah i like the privacy that comes with it |
| 01:33 | eythian | also the openid UI is arse for non-technical people |
| 01:33 | rangi | there is that |
| 01:34 | jcamins | Also, Persona seems to require way less XSS. |
| 01:34 | eythian | yeah, it's all done server side aiui |
| 01:34 | or mostly, perhaps | |
| 01:34 | cjh | I also like it how the persona identity server cant trace you or refuse you access to a site. |
| 01:35 | awesome work by Mozilla. | |
| 01:35 | jcamins | eythian: there is one XSS request, to get the persona identity token. |
| 01:35 | eythian | ah right |
| 01:35 | jcamins | But that means I whitelist *one* domain and it works. |
| 01:35 | eythian | I haven't read the spec for a while |
| 01:35 | jcamins | I didn't read the spec at all. |
| 01:35 | I just know that Persona works for me and I can't get OpenID to work without disabling my XSS-blocker. | |
| 01:36 | Probably because I'm doing something wrong, but see how much I care? | |
| 01:36 | I thought I already pushed 9930. | |
| 01:36 | Apparently not. | |
| 01:37 | Wait... | |
| 01:37 | I think it's wrong. | |
| 01:37 | dcook | bug 9930 |
| 01:37 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9930 critical, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Passed QA , can't update patron info in ccsr |
| 01:37 | jcamins | No. |
| 01:37 | Huh. | |
| 01:38 | Ummm... | |
| 01:39 | dcook | On a side note, I've been meaning to ask...now that we have two themes...does this mean that future development is happening for ccsr and phasing out prog, or are we now having to develop for both? |
| 01:39 | jcamins | could someone please disable PatronSelfRegistration, and tell me if the patron details view makes sense for you? |
| 01:39 | Both. | |
| 01:39 | dcook | :/ |
| 01:39 | jcamins | The (impossible) dream) is that some of the mobile enhancements from ccsr can be ported over to prog. |
| 01:39 | rangi | dcook most of ccsr is the same |
| 01:40 | ie, it uses the same templates | |
| 01:40 | jcamins | The only differences are CSS, javascript (and only some), and... |
| 01:40 | dcook | Yeah, it just means that we need to update two templates instead of one |
| 01:40 | Ack | |
| 01:40 | jcamins | No, just one template. |
| 01:40 | rangi | no, thats what im saying |
| 01:40 | dcook | nvm |
| 01:40 | rangi | you dont :) |
| 01:40 | jcamins | wait... didn't I fix the includes? |
| 01:40 | dcook | Missed your second comment there, rangi |
| 01:40 | rangi | dcook: the extra work is testing both |
| 01:41 | dcook | Cool beans. Good to know |
| 01:41 | jcamins | Okay, this is going to have to wait, because this seems just totally wrong. |
| 01:41 | wizzyrea | sometimes you'll see a feature that doesn't have CSS to display it |
| 01:41 | in ccsr. | |
| 01:41 | like the social features, for example | |
| 01:41 | rangi | yeah |
| 01:41 | its usually this looks dumb | |
| 01:42 | jcamins | ... |
| 01:42 | wait. | |
| 01:42 | dcook | Mmm, that's not so bad then |
| 01:42 | qu-bit joined #koha | |
| 01:42 | jcamins | Okay. |
| 01:42 | I think there's a problem with the patron details display on the OPAC. | |
| 01:43 | And that's why the patch that changes it in ccsr looks wrong. | |
| 01:43 | It'd look wrong if I were using prog, too, but I'm not. | |
| 01:43 | * jcamins | tests this theory. |
| 01:44 | jcamins | Yes. |
| 01:44 | * wizzyrea | recalls a patch for that from kyle |
| 01:44 | jcamins | I was testing bug 9930, but now I think there's another patch that it should depend on. |
| 01:44 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9930 critical, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Passed QA , can't update patron info in ccsr |
| 01:45 | wizzyrea | do you have both prefs on? |
| 01:45 | jcamins | I will ask Kyle tomorrow. |
| 01:45 | wizzyrea | i mean, I have to ask. |
| 01:45 | jcamins | No, the problem is it looks wrong when I have it turned *off*. |
| 01:45 | I was checking for regressions. | |
| 01:45 | wizzyrea | hm I had to turn mine on to test it, and it looked ok - I will check it again. |
| 01:45 | looked ok before I did that anyway. | |
| 01:46 | jcamins | I get flashing. |
| 01:46 | wizzyrea | flashing! |
| 01:46 | jcamins | Yeah, when everything gets disabled. |
| 01:46 | It... flickers, almost. | |
| 01:47 | I thought when it was disabled there weren't supposed to be submittable controls at all. | |
| 01:48 | eythian | http://www.deathandtaxesmag.co[…]one-out-of-style/ |
| 01:49 | wizzyrea | also it doesn't have anything to do with patronselfregistration |
| 01:49 | only updating patron info | |
| 01:50 | jcamins | Which one enables by turning on PatronSelfRegistration... right? |
| 01:50 | rangi | nope, you have always been able to update |
| 01:50 | wizzyrea | the self registration stuff is only related in that another feature came along with it, which is that patron modifications are manageable through the web interface |
| 01:50 | rangi | just not register |
| 01:50 | dcook | eythian: Groak almost explains the feeling I get when jcamins talks about food :p |
| 01:51 | eythian | http://dealpeddler.net/wp-cont[…]3/MeatCupcake.jpg <-- dcook |
| 01:51 | rangi | i hope that it isnt now linked to self registration |
| 01:51 | that would be bad | |
| 01:51 | jcamins | rangi: according to the commit message it is. |
| 01:51 | wizzyrea | yea it would - fail that I'm going to look at it again |
| 01:51 | or I will. | |
| 01:52 | rangi | hmm so you cant let someone update .. without turning on self registration? that sucks |
| 01:52 | eythian | jcamins: oh btw, I published a new master package today, mostly to get rid of bug 9919 |
| 01:52 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9919 blocker, P5 - low, ---, peterAtKohaBugzilla, Pushed to Master , Syntax error in kohastructure.sql |
| 01:52 | * rangi | hopes he is wrong |
| 01:52 | jcamins | eythian++ |
| 01:52 | No, the commit message is wrong. | |
| 01:52 | wizzyrea | ok I KNOW I tested this with selfregistration OFF |
| 01:52 | jcamins | I just tested. |
| 01:53 | wizzyrea | because I am looking at it |
| 01:53 | rangi | thank goodness |
| 01:53 | jcamins | *However* I believe there is still a problem with the display now. |
| 01:53 | I think it used to just show you your details unless updating was allowed. | |
| 01:53 | wizzyrea | it still does that with self reg off |
| 01:53 | it shows boxes but you can't edit them | |
| 01:54 | rangi | good |
| 01:54 | dcook | eythian: oh my...images like that make me want to take a meatcation |
| 01:54 | rangi | so with updating off |
| 01:54 | and self reg on | |
| 01:54 | it should still stop you updating | |
| 01:54 | wizzyrea | yea |
| 01:54 | imma check that | |
| 01:55 | ok, I tested it this way | |
| 01:55 | OPACPatronDetails ON, SelfReg OFF | |
| 01:55 | = works in ccsr | |
| 01:55 | and you do in fact get the notify in the staff client like you are supposed to | |
| 01:55 | jcamins | I'm taking a screenshot to show you what I think doesn't work. |
| 01:55 | http://screencast.com/t/c6Gj2LkKp | |
| 01:56 | wizzyrea | that has always been that way, afaik. |
| 01:56 | there is no submit button eh? | |
| 01:56 | jcamins | That is what I see when I have OPACPatronDetails turned OFF |
| 01:56 | mtj | hey eythian, i just remembered to email you that gpg key... |
| 01:56 | eythian | oh yeah :) |
| 01:57 | wizzyrea | right, is there a submit button? |
| 01:57 | mine doesn't have one. | |
| 01:57 | jcamins | There is not... eventually. |
| 01:57 | When I load the page, the complete form is loaded. | |
| 01:57 | Then it is disabled. | |
| 01:57 | And this does not match the screen I am used to, which is... | |
| 01:58 | eythian | so does it do a javascript disable of the form or something? |
| 01:58 | which would be bad | |
| 01:58 | jcamins | This: http://screencast.com/t/CWirqbseD |
| 01:59 | wizzyrea | and that is immediately before this patch? |
| 01:59 | jcamins | No, I think this is an additional bug. |
| 02:00 | rangi | oh we have to get out |
| 02:00 | get OUT | |
| 02:00 | wizzyrea | AIEE |
| 02:00 | eythian | uh oh! |
| 02:00 | rangi | so anitsirk can hide eggs |
| 02:00 | jcamins | Fire drill? |
| 02:00 | eythian | flee! |
| 02:00 | jcamins | Oh. |
| 02:00 | eythian | egg drill! |
| 02:00 | jcamins | I think there is nothing wrong with this patch because the display is wrong anyway. |
| 02:00 | * dcook | has already eaten his easter chocolate from this morning... |
| 02:00 | dcook | I wonder when that happened, jcamins |
| 02:00 | * dcook | just tried it really quickly on 3.8 and it looks good pre-selfreg |
| 02:00 | jcamins | So I'll definitely save it for some time when I can ask Kyle about it. |
| 02:02 | The most likely cause of the problem is that there is some non-Plack-safe code. | |
| 02:03 | Because wizzyrea's immediate response was not "OH NOES! PATRON DETAILS ARE BROKEN!" the way mine was. | |
| 02:03 | rangi: bug 9786 is yours. | |
| 02:03 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9786 normal, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Passed QA , [3.8.X] Holds to pull showing items not available |
| 02:05 | jcamins | dcook: BTW, you should read... http://producingoss.com/ |
| 02:05 | It's really interesting. | |
| 02:05 | And you weren't around when I told everyone to read it earlier. | |
| 02:06 | Ummm... | |
| 02:07 | Odd. | |
| 02:07 | How did bug 8383 get to passed QA? | |
| 02:07 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8383 normal, P1 - high, ---, jcamins, Passed QA , Need test to check that Perl files will compile |
| 02:08 | jcamins | Ah. |
| 02:08 | mtj didn't realize it was pushed to master. | |
| 02:11 | dcook | jcamins: Cool. I'll take a look. I have a 12 hour roundtrip train ride this weekend, so maybe I'll have to gander at the PDF on my netbook... |
| 02:11 | jcamins | Pfeh. I screwed up the history. |
| 02:14 | mtj | jcamins, oh meh, the 00-strict.t file is there after all |
| 02:14 | jcamins | mtj: yep. Once I checked the bug it made sense. |
| 02:15 | mtj | i wonder if i was looking for it in ./t , not ./t./db-dependant |
| 02:15 | jcamins | Probably. Initially it was in t. |
| 02:15 | mtj | all good, file is pushed |
| 02:20 | huginn | New commit(s) kohagit: Add two new developers to the history <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]8e330642646260417> / Merge branch 'bug_9595' into 3.12-master <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]c54166bb646913c97> / Bug 9595: Change GPL license to 3.0 <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]e1c01627d525c245c |
| 02:20 | edveal joined #koha | |
| 02:21 | jenkins_koha | Starting build #1121 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS) |
| 02:25 | dcook | bbiab |
| 02:27 | eythian | mtj: "gpg: sleutel 4DBBC6CF: publieke sleutel “Mason James <mtjkohaaloha.com>” geimporteerd" <-- all good |
| 02:27 | mtj | ta |
| 02:28 | eythian, i updated bug 9927 with a bit more info… hope it makes sense | |
| 02:28 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9927 major, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Needs Signoff , tweak list-deps script to build a better ./debian/control file |
| 02:29 | jcamins | mtj: but why is it a bad thing to have the older version? |
| 02:30 | I don't feel strongly one way or the other, but I think the .packages files I just generated should work. | |
| 02:31 | (I know they install all the needed dependencies and Koha runs, but I did not look for edge cases) | |
| 02:31 | rangi | eythian: i think you need to add mork mork mork to the edit of that gpg line, cos that totally reads like the swedish chef in my head |
| 02:31 | * jcamins | agrees with rangi. |
| 02:31 | eythian | bork bork bork |
| 02:31 | mork is a terrible mozilla database format | |
| 02:32 | or partner of mindy | |
| 02:32 | rangi | and an alien |
| 02:32 | :) | |
| 02:33 | eythian | and if you know that sleutel means key, it all makes sense :) |
| 02:33 | * jcamins | chooses not to know that. :P |
| 02:37 | jcamins | Hmm. |
| 02:38 | If the database does not exist when running the web installer, shouldn't it provide some sort of error message other than a stacktrace? | |
| 02:38 | rangi | yes |
| 02:38 | jcamins | We are in agreement. |
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| 03:09 | jcamins | Well, I haven't caught up, but I'm closer. |
| 03:09 | dcook | \o/ |
| 03:10 | huginn | New commit(s) kohagit: Merge branch 'bug_9783' into 3.12-master <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]4f7af9ec38f6bb733> / Bug 9783 - can hit submit twice when adding patrons <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]f01ab7bb59aff42af> / Merge branch 'bug_9881' into 3.12-master <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]diff;h=710491ead3 |
| 03:16 | jcamins | Good night, #koha. |
| 03:16 | dcook | night, jcamins |
| 03:17 | mtj | jcamins, if someone has made the effort of creating a new debain package of a perl module, theres usually a good reason? |
| 03:18 | ...and good nite :) | |
| 03:19 | the new package either fixes a bug, or has some important feature | |
| 03:20 | so, it makes some obvious sense to choose that new package, rather than ignore it | |
| 03:30 | jenkins_koha | Project Koha_master build #1121: SUCCESS in 1 hr 9 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]Koha_master/1121/ |
| 03:30 | * Robin Sheat: Bug 9918 - Changelog updates for 3.12 | |
| 03:30 | * Robin Sheat: Bug 9918 - build script updates, default to building 3.12 | |
| 03:30 | * Kristina D.C. Hoeppner: Bug 9595: Change GPL license to 3.0 | |
| 03:30 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9918 major, P1 - high, ---, robin, Pushed to Master , Packaging updates for 3.12 |
| 03:30 | jenkins_koha | * Jared Camins-Esakov: Add two new developers to the history |
| 03:31 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9595 normal, P5 - low, ---, kristina, Pushed to Master , Update About page for license update to GPL3 |
| 03:32 | jenkins_koha | Starting build #1122 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS) |
| 03:55 | druthb | o/ |
| 03:56 | dcook | Allo druthb |
| 03:56 | How are all the thing? | |
| 03:56 | druthb | :D |
| 03:56 | dcook | things* |
| 03:56 | druthb | pretty darn good. |
| 03:57 | dcook | That's always good to hear :) |
| 03:58 | druthb | "Healthy, happy, and holding," as one of my favorite authors put it. |
| 03:59 | dcook | H is a better letter than I thought :p |
| 03:59 | druthb | :) |
| 04:00 | I had a truly glorious workout session this evening; I'm loving my new gym. | |
| 04:03 | dcook | :D |
| 04:03 | Whereabouts are you these days? | |
| 04:03 | * dcook | really needs to start getting back into that whole fitness thing... |
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| 04:43 | jenkins_koha | Project Koha_master build #1122: SUCCESS in 1 hr 11 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]Koha_master/1122/ |
| 04:43 | * Peter Crellan Kelly: Bug 9863: Correct casing and add arrow-heads for consistency with earlier submit messages. | |
| 04:43 | * Owen Leonard: Bug 9881 - Remove unused tablesorter plugin from offline circulation page | |
| 04:43 | * David Cook: Bug 9783 - can hit submit twice when adding patrons | |
| 04:43 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9863 trivial, P5 - low, ---, peterAtKohaBugzilla, Pushed to Master , 'import' button in web installer should read 'Import' |
| 04:43 | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9881 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Remove unused tablesorter plugin from offline circulation page | |
| 04:43 | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9783 normal, P5 - low, ---, dcook, Pushed to Master , can hit submit twice when adding patrons | |
| 04:46 | dcook | Cool. I didn't know that bug had made it that far along. I'm actually rather pleased about that one. |
| 04:46 | druthb | :) |
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| 04:55 | another_peter | in a bugzilla search result list, what does it mean if bugs are listed in red? |
| 05:06 | dcook | another_peter: I believe it has to do with the importance of the bug |
| 05:06 | For instance, critical bugs get highlighted in red | |
| 05:07 | * dcook | notes that the bugs needing sign off is under 100 ^_^ |
| 05:08 | dcook | paul_p++ |
| 05:08 | @karma qa | |
| 05:08 | huginn | dcook: Karma for "qa" has been increased 2 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 2. |
| 05:08 | dcook | @karma qa_team |
| 05:08 | huginn | dcook: Karma for "qa_team" has been increased 2 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 2. |
| 05:08 | dcook | @karma qa-team |
| 05:08 | huginn | dcook: qa-team has neutral karma. |
| 05:09 | dcook | kf++ |
| 05:10 | another_peter | dcook: thanks. |
| 05:11 | dcook | sure thing :) |
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| 05:14 | dcook | hola cait :) |
| 05:16 | cait | hi dcook |
| 05:16 | about to go home? ;) | |
| 05:16 | another_peter | cait: a process question - is eythian allowed to qa-approve a patch that I, a fellow Catalyst person, have done? it has been signed off by magnus already. |
| 05:17 | bug 9885 | |
| 05:17 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9885 normal, P5 - low, ---, peterAtKohaBugzilla, Signed Off , Passwords generated by command line scripts are weak |
| 05:20 | dcook | cait: Just about ;). Heading home early today but I'm trying to do a few last minute things :P |
| 05:20 | cait | if it's packaging some different rules apply |
| 05:21 | another_peter | I know this is not anyone's top priority :) |
| 05:21 | cait | but it's up to him |
| 05:21 | another_peter | cool. if it's up to him, and he has said earlier on the bug he is happy to qa approve it, i will gently encourage him |
| 05:21 | thankjs | |
| 05:21 | thanks even | |
| 05:22 | cait | just know this is only because it's related to packages |
| 05:23 | normally only qa team can | |
| 05:24 | another_peter | noted, thanks |
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| 06:16 | another_peter | does koha have a style guide so i can find out if you'll beat me for using unless () {} else {} ? |
| 06:16 | i hear that it makes non-perl-programmers eyes bleed | |
| 06:16 | apologies for the missing apostrophe | |
| 06:18 | * another_peter | has gone with if (! ... ) instead to avoid controversy |
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| 06:26 | dcook | another_peter: You could take a look at this wiki page: http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]Coding_Guidelines |
| 06:27 | * dcook | should really remember to read that sometime... |
| 06:27 | another_peter | thanks much |
| 06:27 | dcook | Generally speaking, people will ask you to change your style to accord with the norm during sign off/QA |
| 06:27 | another_peter | <div class="dialog error"> is really very low key. don't we have an angry red style? :) |
| 06:28 | dcook | Possibly :P |
| 06:28 | I can't recall off the top of my head | |
| 06:30 | How long have you been at Catalyst, another_peter? I haven't been around IRC much these past couple weeks, but it's always nice to see someone new (at least new to me :P) | |
| 06:30 | Perhaps I should Google before I speak :p | |
| 06:30 | another_peter | dcook: since jan 2005 :) but i have not been koha-hacking. |
| 06:31 | (i took a couple of years off to fix/break/change the electricity market in western australia) | |
| 06:31 | dcook | hehe |
| 06:31 | How long are you going to be koha-hacking? | |
| 06:32 | another_peter | till I get bored with it... I am doing this in not-work-time - i do not have work time to spend on it |
| 06:33 | i mostly negotiate contracts and decide how much to charge for things and manage projects, so I don't get to write code normally in work time | |
| 06:33 | dcook | Ahh, I see I see |
| 06:34 | another_peter | i also have three children, 12 acres, a kunekune pig, sheep, and other similar demands on my time. but this works well with physical tiredness and being tired of reading/writing legalese. |
| 06:34 | dcook | I sometimes ponder what the future might be like if/when I'm no longer coding Koha on work time |
| 06:34 | Koha as stress relief. I like it. | |
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| 06:45 | * cait | complains about the snow |
| 06:45 | dcook | spring is around the corner? |
| 06:47 | In any case, I'm actually leaving this time :p | |
| 06:47 | Hope the snow isn't too bad, cait | |
| 06:47 | Nice meeting you, another_peter | |
| 06:47 | cait | oh |
| 06:47 | now he was gone fast | |
| 07:01 | another_peter | I am trying to find the right middle ground between going mad on process, and doing things The Right Way. |
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| 07:01 | another_peter | I am trying to fix a bug about not being able to delete history in the OPAC |
| 07:02 | I have therefore raised another bug for it not automatically deleting history on return | |
| 07:02 | I've had to touch two other little perl scripts to make the change, one of which I could easily make carp if it sees this error (that seems the right thing to do, it is a cron job) | |
| 07:02 | but should that have its own bug? | |
| 07:03 | next question, in touching the .tt file, I notice that the succeeding message is missing a full stop (inside a string). Can I sneak that in? A bug + QA cycle for a one-byte string change seems rather pedantic. It is literally one or two lines away from code I am changing anyway. | |
| 07:04 | cait: you are probably the person I should address those queries towards, if you have time. | |
| 07:04 | I will raise the bug for the harder-to-fix script in the interim. | |
| 07:06 | cait | i think you can put all that in one patch |
| 07:06 | the commit message should have something about the carp probably | |
| 07:06 | the goal of separate bugs is in part to have well testable patches | |
| 07:06 | instead of things that do too many things at once | |
| 07:07 | but we are not overly pedantic | |
| 07:09 | another_peter | thanks :) |
| 07:10 | cait | and now I have to leave to work :) |
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| 07:36 | reiveune | hello |
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| 07:38 | marcelr | hi #koha |
| 07:39 | another_peter | good morning] |
| 07:40 | marcelr | hi another_peter |
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| 07:43 | chinu123 | hello, can anybody tell me how to avoid repetitive cataloguing like author name, publisher etc? |
| 07:45 | is there any facility wherein we can enter these fields in advance (like we do it in case of city,country etc while entering member db) | |
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| 07:58 | Joubu | hello #koha |
| 07:59 | chinu123 | hello |
| 08:02 | clrh | bonjour |
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| 08:11 | kf | hi #koha |
| 08:13 | marcelr | hi joubu chinu123 clrh and kf |
| 08:13 | chinu123 | hi |
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| 08:13 | gaetan_B | hello |
| 08:13 | marcelr | hi gaetan_B |
| 08:14 | clrh | hello marcelr :) |
| 08:16 | gaetan_B | good morning marcelr :) |
| 08:17 | kf | hi marcelr :) |
| 08:18 | and happy easter holidays to everyone (so I don't forget later :) ) | |
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| 08:18 | marcelr | time for a easter egg in koha? |
| 08:19 | kf | heh |
| 08:19 | maybe | |
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| 08:23 | francharb | good morning |
| 08:27 | marcelr | hi francharb |
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| 08:43 | kf | hmm |
| 08:51 | marcelr | sounds safe :) |
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| 09:56 | clrh | Do you know if there is tries about indexing full text (pdf) and search in opac ? |
| 09:56 | workaround or whatever :) | |
| 09:59 | kf | clrh: hm not sure, but maybe ask jared? |
| 10:00 | jcamins I mean? he might know if this has come up as part of the search rewrite or if someone asked for it | |
| 10:01 | clrh | kf: not sure too ;) but sometimes, people talk about things they done on koha-devel :) |
| 10:02 | kf | the problem is |
| 10:02 | someone talked to me about it | |
| 10:02 | but I don't remember who it was and if it was done or not... so I am quite confused :) | |
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| 10:05 | another_peter | goodnight all |
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| 10:50 | jcamins | clrh: someone had asked me about it, but decided not to pursue it. |
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| 10:56 | kf | morning jcamins |
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| 11:03 | kf | hi Viktor |
| 11:04 | marcelr | kf: i made some kind of compromise for the parseletter problem with punctuation |
| 11:04 | bug 9886 | |
| 11:04 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9886 minor, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , ParseLetter removes too often punctuation characters from fields |
| 11:05 | kf | marcelr: do you know if this is a new bheaviour? |
| 11:05 | because I get : at the end of my titles often in my notices | |
| 11:06 | marcelr | no it was there in 3.8 i think |
| 11:06 | kf | aah |
| 11:06 | ok | |
| 11:06 | seeing it in 3.6 | |
| 11:06 | so that makes perfect sense - thx! | |
| 11:07 | I will check it - don't worry about it | |
| 11:07 | but your solution sounds good to me | |
| 11:07 | marcelr | thx |
| 11:20 | clrh | ok jcamins thanks |
| 11:21 | and kf :) | |
| 11:26 | marcelr | joubu there? |
| 11:26 | case sensitive? Joubu | |
| 11:26 | Joubu | marcelr: yep |
| 11:26 | marcelr | hi Joubu: i checked your remark on 6554 |
| 11:27 | with the first patch only, i still have : No system preferences matched your search for é | |
| 11:27 | Joubu | hum... I retest |
| 11:27 | marcelr | i search for é in prefs |
| 11:29 | Joubu | ho yes, sorry. In fact I commented out l.302 in C4::Output |
| 11:29 | #utf8::encode($data); | |
| 11:29 | marcelr | ok |
| 11:29 | Joubu | I commented |
| 11:34 | marcelr: So, in your last patch, if I keep the deletion of binmode and the change in C4::XSLT, it works (for pref and patron). Maybe something else is broken | |
| 11:35 | marcelr | no other changes? |
| 11:36 | current master+ git bz 6554 ? | |
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| 11:38 | marcelr | Joubu: you do not have the é ? |
| 11:39 | Joubu: english template or french? | |
| 11:40 | Joubu | marcelr: I applied the 2 patches on 6554 and I commented the l.302 in C4/Output.pm and I don't have the é |
| 11:40 | marcelr: english template | |
| 11:40 | marcelr | why do you comment line 302? |
| 11:41 | Joubu | marcelr: no real reason :) |
| 11:42 | marcelr | Joubu: i think we should look for searchfield in preferences.pl and decode correctly |
| 11:42 | Joubu | marcelr: but after a patron search (member.pl), the input is filled with � |
| 11:42 | marcelr | dobrica did some of these changes in other scripts already |
| 11:43 | yes, there are some instances left where the url parameter is not decoded | |
| 11:43 | we should adjust these ones | |
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| 11:50 | marcelr | Joubu: this should do the job in prefs.pl: |
| 11:50 | my $searchfield = uri_unescape($input->param('searchfield')); | |
| 11:50 | followed by a decode | |
| 11:51 | i mean: my $searchfield = uri_unescape($input->param('searchfield')); utf8::decode($searchfield); and add a use in the file | |
| 11:52 | will send this in a patch | |
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| 11:56 | marcelr | Joubu: sent this example as followup for bug 6554 |
| 11:56 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6554 critical, P3, ---, dpavlin, Failed QA , Broken encoding in members home/search page |
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| 12:48 | oleonard | Hi #koha |
| 12:49 | kf | hi oleonard :) |
| 12:49 | is tomorrow a holiday in US? | |
| 12:49 | marcelr | hi oleonard |
| 12:49 | bgkriegel | Hi oleonard |
| 12:49 | marcelr | hi bgkriegel |
| 12:49 | bgkriegel | hi marcelr |
| 12:50 | marcelr | bgkriegel: you use a lot of diacritics? |
| 12:50 | bgkriegel | yes |
| 12:50 | oleonard | I don't think it is for most people kf. Not for me (although I'm taking vacation) |
| 12:50 | marcelr | i was working on 6554; if you would have some time.. |
| 12:50 | bgkriegel | i'll look |
| 12:50 | marcelr | great ! |
| 12:51 | kf | :) |
| 12:51 | bgkriegel++ | |
| 12:51 | oleonard: oh | |
| 12:51 | marcelr | bgkriegel++ |
| 12:53 | kf | marcelr++ too :) |
| 12:54 | marcelr | :) |
| 12:55 | bgkriegel | marcelr++ of course! I was reading that bug earlier. |
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| 13:39 | oleonard | Can public reports use runtime parameters? |
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| 13:40 | jcamins | oleonard: there's a patch for that. |
| 13:40 | But, I don't think they can yet. | |
| 13:41 | oleonard | Bug 9915 |
| 13:41 | wahanui | Bug 9915 is, like, a nice one |
| 13:41 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9915 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Needs Signoff , Allow opac/svc/report to be passed sql parameters |
| 13:42 | marcelr | pings bgkriegel |
| 13:43 | jcamins | marcelr: you can fix the UTF-8utf-8 problem by removing the UTF-8 line in your ~/.gitrc |
| 13:43 | oleonard | Are public reports automatically limited? |
| 13:43 | marcelr | jcamins: that was gone now |
| 13:43 | i will check gitrc | |
| 13:43 | jcamins | oleonard: I don't think you can get more than 20 results without specifying a custom limit. |
| 13:44 | bgkriegel | marcelr, I have the same problem that jcamins menitioned |
| 13:44 | marcelr | what exactly |
| 13:44 | i resubmitted one of the patches | |
| 13:45 | bgkriegel | with the last patch, fatal: cannot convert from UTF-8utf-8 to UTF-8 |
| 13:45 | marcelr | shoud be solved now'\ |
| 13:45 | bgkriegel | ok :) |
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| 13:45 | marcelr | i will resubmit two patches without uri_unescape |
| 13:45 | we do not need it; cgi will take care of that correctly | |
| 13:45 | tested with %.. etc | |
| 13:46 | kf | jcamins, oleonard: jcmains did a syspref for that I think - how many max |
| 13:46 | oleonard: maybe set that high and then use limit in the sql? | |
| 13:46 | jcamins | kf: ohhh, that's how I got a higher number. |
| 13:46 | kf | ;) |
| 13:46 | jcamins | I know I'd done it. |
| 13:46 | *knew | |
| 13:46 | kf | yeah, because I complained to you :D |
| 13:47 | jcamins | Really? I would've thought that I complained to myself. |
| 13:47 | oleonard | I guess a follow up could be to allow passing limit numbers to be passed to opac/svc/report |
| 13:50 | kf | oleonard: that sounds like you are working on a nice feature? :) |
| 13:50 | oleonard | No, just wanting to do some things with public reports :) |
| 13:51 | kf | exactly :) |
| 13:52 | oleonard | Not that I really want them public, I just want to be able to get at the JSON from outside Koha |
| 14:06 | jcamins | What was I doing five minutes ago? |
| 14:06 | jenkins_koha | Starting build #308 for job Koha_Docs (previous build: SUCCESS) |
| 14:06 | Project Koha_Docs build #308: SUCCESS in 20 sec: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]ob/Koha_Docs/308/ | |
| 14:06 | jcamins | I got up for a glass of water, and now that I've come back I can't remember. |
| 14:06 | jenkins_koha | Nicole C. Engard: update reports section with new group options |
| 14:06 | jcamins | Oh! Security. |
| 14:06 | oleonard | jcamins: How should we know? It's not in the log! |
| 14:07 | jcamins | oleonard: You've been working with me for how long? I figured you should just be able to intuit it. |
| 14:07 | oleonard | Not long enough I guess. I was going to go with "Thinking about cats." |
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| 14:09 | jcamins | Heh. |
| 14:16 | bgkriegel | marcelr++, you have fixed Bug 9579 as well. Our friend Karam will be very happy |
| 14:16 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9579 major, P1 - high, ---, fridolyn.somers, Failed QA , Incorrect display of UNICODE symbols in 'Refine Search Results' |
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| 14:21 | * Nicole C. Engard: add HighlightOwnItemsOnOPAC & HighlightOwnItemsOnOPACWhich | |
| 14:21 | * Nicole C. Engard: update circ menu image | |
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| 14:36 | Nicole C. Engard: update offline circ | |
| 14:37 | marcelr | bgkriegel: are you signing off on the followups? |
| 14:38 | bgkriegel | yes, in a minute |
| 14:38 | marcelr | very good; did you find other occurrences? |
| 14:38 | i will see it later; bye | |
| 14:47 | kf | :) |
| 14:49 | oleonard | My library is on 3.10.3 now (just upgraded from 3.8.5), and the only comment I've gotten so far about the changes is to point out Bug 9917 |
| 14:49 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9917 normal, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Routing list tab on patron account should depend on syspref/permission |
| 14:51 | kf | oleonard: yeah... I figured tht woudl happen here too |
| 14:52 | oleonard: does it mean you are going to fix it? :) | |
| 14:53 | oleonard | I haven't looked into it. I would be willing if it is within my capabilities. |
| 14:53 | I would think we shouldn't show the tab if the patron isn't on any routing lists, but that may not be the most efficient way to do it | |
| 14:54 | I don't know how much that repeated query matters | |
| 14:54 | kf | maybe just make it depend on the pref? |
| 14:54 | only makes sense if you use routing lists anyway | |
| 14:55 | oleonard | That would be the top-level check, yeah |
| 14:56 | kf | ah |
| 14:56 | oleonard | What does routing permission do? |
| 14:56 | kf | but you wanted it to go down |
| 14:56 | oleonard | Give you the right to be on a routing list? Or give you the right to build a routing list? |
| 14:56 | kf | build |
| 14:56 | that's why I am not sure it fits | |
| 14:56 | oleonard | Yeah I don't think so |
| 14:56 | kf | so do we need another? |
| 14:56 | can see routing lists? | |
| 14:57 | indesign-- | |
| 14:57 | oleonard | If the syspref is on, people still don't need to see the tab if they're not on any lists. So there ought to be more to it. |
| 14:57 | But it could certainly be fixed in stages. | |
| 14:58 | gmcharlt | @quote random |
| 14:58 | huginn | gmcharlt: Quote #103: "<cait>: Nobody can find you hiding in Search.pm ;)" (added by wizzyrea at 09:18 PM, November 13, 2010) |
| 14:59 | oleonard | Hiding in Search.pm is like hiding in a dark cave full of spiders. Why would you want to? |
| 15:01 | * oleonard | always gets disoriented when paul_p appears on the DRUPAL4LIB mailing list :) |
| 15:01 | paul_p | oleonard ;-) |
| 15:01 | oleonard | I'm all, "Hey I know that guy!" |
| 15:01 | kf | oleonard: well... I didn't state it was healthy |
| 15:04 | oleonard | Hm, the routing lists tab got added to circ-menu.inc but not circ-menu.tt |
| 15:09 | kf | oh yes, forgot to file that |
| 15:12 | oleonard | *and* the routing lists tab doesn't have correct capitalization :P |
| 15:12 | kf | *sigh* |
| 15:12 | * oleonard | is fixing |
| 15:21 | jenkins_koha | Starting build #311 for job Koha_Docs (previous build: SUCCESS) |
| 15:21 | Project Koha_Docs build #311: SUCCESS in 19 sec: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]ob/Koha_Docs/311/ | |
| 15:21 | * Nicole C. Engard: add renewal period to circ/fine matrix | |
| 15:21 | * Nicole C. Engard: fix capitalization | |
| 15:43 | oleonard | Hopefully Bug 9917 can be added to 3.10.x too |
| 15:43 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9917 normal, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Needs Signoff , Routing list tab on patron account should depend on syspref/permission |
| 15:51 | jenkins_koha | Starting build #312 for job Koha_Docs (previous build: SUCCESS) |
| 15:51 | Project Koha_Docs build #312: SUCCESS in 20 sec: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]ob/Koha_Docs/312/ | |
| 15:51 | * Nicole C. Engard: add items.fine notation | |
| 15:51 | * Nicole C. Engard: add another reference to items.fine | |
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| 16:02 | * druthb | waves to melia |
| 16:02 | melia | hi druthb :) |
| 16:03 | druthb | :P |
| 16:04 | edveal | hi druthb |
| 16:04 | reiveune | bye |
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| 17:25 | kf | bgkriegel++ |
| 17:25 | happy Easter - friday and monday are holdiays here :) | |
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| 18:26 | gaetan_B | bye ! |
| 18:44 | druthb | @later tell gaetan_B in re: your note about right-to-left, I've had occasion to work at that. Longer message via list later tonight. |
| 18:44 | huginn | druthb: The operation succeeded. |
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| 19:07 | jcamins | ms_access-- |
| 19:08 | druthb | microsoft-- |
| 19:10 | jcamins | microsoft-- # good point, the company is definitely responsible for the software |
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| 19:41 | oleonard | Bye #koha |
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| 19:55 | rambutan | ping bob |
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| 20:33 | rambutan | @seen trea |
| 20:33 | huginn | rambutan: trea was last seen in #koha 2 days, 22 hours, 38 minutes, and 37 seconds ago: <trea> o/ |
| 20:33 | rambutan | @seen edveal |
| 20:33 | huginn | rambutan: edveal was last seen in #koha 4 hours, 29 minutes, and 16 seconds ago: <edveal> hi druthb |
| 20:33 | edveal | hello rambutan |
| 20:38 | rambutan | @seen bag |
| 20:38 | huginn | rambutan: bag was last seen in #koha 22 hours, 3 minutes, and 10 seconds ago: <bag> nevermind :) |
| 20:38 | bag | hi |
| 20:38 | wahanui | salut, bag |
| 20:44 | * cait | waves |
| 20:50 | bag | heya cait |
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| 22:09 | * wizzyrea | waves |
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| 22:29 | jcamins | So much for Goodreads offering an alternative source of reviews, eh? |
| 22:29 | bag | so much |
| 22:30 | jcamins | It was nice while it lasted. |
| 22:30 | bag | I thought that could have been "good" :P |
| 22:30 | jcamins | All... week. |
| 22:38 | liw | that opens an opportunity for a new competitor, preferably one designed so it will stay out of the hands of the evil empires |
| 22:39 | jcamins | liw: yeah, now it just has to show up. |
| 22:40 | wizzyrea | aw what happened? |
| 22:41 | liw | Amazon bought Goodreads |
| 22:41 | wizzyrea | aw |
| 22:41 | not so good. | |
| 22:41 | i'm sad to report that i'm not sure anyone is safe from evil empires. | |
| 22:42 | jcamins | That is true. |
| 22:44 | wizzyrea | much to the dismay of freedom and openness lovers everywhere. |
| 22:44 | liw | I have, from time to time, pondered on a possible federated or distributed solution to reviews: people publish them on their own sites (or blogs), and dedicated search engines gather and process the data -- and anyone can set one of those up -- but I haven't come up with a solution to the fundamental problem of scamming, spamming, hoaxing, and marketing |
| 22:45 | jcamins | liw: ... reddit? |
| 22:45 | Minus the seedier bits. | |
| 22:46 | liw | jcamins, reddit has its share of shrewd marketers who push good stuff about themselves onto the front pages of various subreddits, such as TIL |
| 22:46 | jcamins | liw: right, reddit has all the problems you mentioned, but isn't that basically what reddit is (full disclosure: I am not a redditor). |
| 22:46 | *? | |
| 22:47 | liw | reddit is also centralized, and already owned by a large media corp :) |
| 22:47 | * jcamins | did not know that. |
| 22:47 | liw | Conde Nast, specifically |
| 22:47 | but it does have a strong point in that users mostly vote the good stuff up | |
| 22:48 | but, on the other hand, I'd like something based on "I'd like to see what my friends like", in the PGP web of trust style... but this is getting too complicated to describe over irc, and I | |
| 22:48 | 'm hijacking #koha to spout my crazy ideas, and it's past bedtime already... | |
| 22:49 | jcamins | Hehe. |
| 22:49 | * jcamins | has been known to talk about his new catalog, Biblionarrator, on #koha. |
| 22:49 | liw | (I might talk about my idea for a "e-book library on a uSD card" idea some day, once I've thought about it some more) |
| 22:57 | wizzyrea | liw - idreambooks.com kin of does that - it aggregates review |
| 22:57 | reviews* | |
| 22:57 | jcamins | Yeah, but it's rather more centralized. |
| 22:57 | wizzyrea | yep |
| 22:57 | it only goes after "professional" reviews | |
| 22:57 | kind of like rottentomatoes | |
| 22:58 | liw - and we like crazy ideas here | |
| 22:58 | because you never know which part of a crazy idea will be actually practical someday. | |
| 23:17 | does anyone here know what the "flag" hidden value in the framework editor does/ | |
| 23:17 | ? | |
| 23:17 | jcamins | wizzyrea: no. |
| 23:17 | I think we concluded it just means "flag." | |
| 23:18 | Obvious tautology is obvious! | |
| 23:18 | And redundant! | |
| 23:18 | wizzyrea | lol fair enough |
| 23:20 | but flag for what?! | |
| 23:20 | * wizzyrea | runs screaming |
| 23:21 | jcamins | Flagging. :P |
| 23:27 | * wizzyrea | boggles some more. |
| 23:32 | gmcharlt | signal for us to design and fly a Koha flag? |
| 23:41 | wizzyrea | i like it! |
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