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| 00:10 | trea left #koha | |
| 00:11 | bag | hey has anyone in here ever talked about using goodreads for reviews OR even having the export option listed among the twitter facebook etc ones ? |
| 00:11 | if I missed that please fill me in :) | |
| 00:11 | dcook | O_O |
| 00:11 | I was thinking about it over the holidays | |
| 00:11 | bag | I think I have an idea to add for the hackfest next week :) |
| 00:11 | dcook | I would LOVE if someone has done some work on that |
| 00:11 | * dcook | hearts goodreads something fierce |
| 00:11 | bag | ok so you haven't heard of it either :) |
| 00:12 | dcook I was just looking here --> http://www.goodreads.com/api | |
| 00:12 | dcook | Yeah, I took a look at the api back in...December I think |
| 00:12 | I was thinking about ways of interegrating my actual reading habits with my library experience and my bookstore experience | |
| 00:13 | AKA I like adding books to goodreads at the bookstore, and then looking for them in the library :p | |
| 00:13 | bag | that could be a pretty cool thing to add to the memberdetail page in the opac |
| 00:13 | dcook | Or tracking books I've read from the library on goodreads |
| 00:13 | bag | or even finding another book to read :) |
| 00:14 | dcook | Mm that too |
| 00:14 | Yeah, I was wondering what the best way to integrate it might be | |
| 00:14 | bag | even a I've read biblionumber :) |
| 00:14 | dcook | I think it would certainly make the catalogue more interactive and relevant |
| 00:15 | I would love this as well -> http://www.goodreads.com/api#atmb_widget | |
| 00:16 | * dcook | plotted a little bit to add goodreads to Koha |
| 00:16 | dcook | Then convince my local public library to switch to Koha ;) |
| 00:16 | bag | dcook: go for it! :D |
| 00:17 | on both accounts :D | |
| 00:17 | dcook | The library staff I was chatting with the other day were grumping about having to use Aurora and I mentioned that I worked on Koha.. |
| 00:17 | They didn't seem to know much about it, so maybe sometime I'll go in and chat to them and try to get the ear of their director | |
| 00:17 | bag | I try to talk with my local librarians - and they are all grumpy - so I don't bother anymore |
| 00:17 | dcook | Now even for them to be clients of ours. Just for them to use Koha in general |
| 00:17 | Not* | |
| 00:17 | :( | |
| 00:17 | bag | yeah Koha in general :) |
| 00:17 | dcook | Sad to hear bag |
| 00:18 | bag | they are grumpy! |
| 00:18 | * dcook | is trying to remember the status of public libraries in California |
| 00:18 | dcook | I want to say that I was hearing scary things a year or two ago? |
| 00:18 | Or maybe that was Oregon.. | |
| 00:20 | bag | budgets maybe |
| 00:20 | dcook | Makes sense |
| 00:21 | The librarians were pretty friendly at mine the other day. It's probably one of the wealthier public libraries I've lived by I think | |
| 00:21 | flat screens all over the place and such | |
| 00:22 | wizzyrea | if libraries still use CRT's they're really really in bad shape. |
| 00:22 | dcook | I mean flat screen tvs |
| 00:22 | wizzyrea | you haven't even been able to buy one for a few years now. |
| 00:22 | oh, ha | |
| 00:22 | yea that's unusual ;) | |
| 00:22 | dcook | hehe |
| 00:22 | Beautiful place | |
| 00:31 | The only downside of being in Australia is that it's considerably more difficult to find French books... | |
| 00:31 | Lots of Chinese and Italian but not so much French.. | |
| 00:31 | jcamins | dcook: in the eighties it was very hard to find foreign wine. |
| 00:31 | Though not as hard as in NZ. | |
| 00:32 | * dcook | tries to remember if he drinks foreign wine |
| 00:32 | dcook | The Australian wine is pretty cheap and delicious |
| 00:32 | jcamins | Actually, we drink mostly German and Australian wine. |
| 00:32 | dcook | :D |
| 00:33 | jcamins | There was a particular vineyard in Georgia that had fantastic wine, but they were invaded, so that was the end of them selling wine. |
| 00:33 | dcook | :( |
| 00:34 | Easy to forget about such things in these parts of the world | |
| 00:34 | Well, not that terrible things don't continue to occur here either | |
| 00:34 | wizzyrea | there are some really fantastic ones in NZ |
| 00:35 | jcamins | wizzyrea: I knew that, actually. :) |
| 00:36 | dcook | Koha wine fest in NZ? :D |
| 00:36 | wizzyrea | you can come to my house :) |
| 00:37 | dcook | Careful, I'll take you up on that offer :p |
| 00:37 | wizzyrea | you kidding? having koha people over is fun. :) |
| 00:37 | dcook | ^_^ |
| 00:38 | There was some talk last year about me coming over last year to hang out with you Catalyst folks in August, but ran out of time :/ | |
| 00:38 | Might have to work something out for later this year | |
| 00:41 | * wizzyrea | can't speak to the nature of wellington winters |
| 00:41 | wizzyrea | (yet) |
| 00:41 | though they tell me this summer wasn't exactly typical | |
| 00:42 | dcook | This is your first year in Wellington? |
| 00:42 | wizzyrea | yep |
| 00:42 | dcook | Neato :) |
| 00:42 | I wasn't a huge fan of Sydney winter last year.. | |
| 00:43 | I wasn't exactly prepared clothing-wise and my apartment was dreadful. | |
| 00:43 | Mind you, this year my current house is probably even worse in terms of weather-proofing, but at least I have a few things reasonably thick so I don't freeze (errr chill) to death | |
| 00:44 | ibeardslee | yes an unusually warm, sunny and dry summer in Wellington |
| 00:45 | wizzyrea | looks like rain this weekend though |
| 00:45 | trea joined #koha | |
| 00:46 | dcook | Sunny today though :) |
| 00:47 | wizzyrea | yea, been a bit weird - much like the summer we had last year in kansas, just day after day of sunny weather. |
| 00:47 | but nowhere near as hot of course. | |
| 00:47 | 20C instead of 40+ | |
| 00:50 | dcook | It gets to 40+ in Kansas? |
| 00:50 | I suppose I shouldn't be surprised | |
| 00:50 | Saskatchewan can get into the high 30s and it's considerably farther north | |
| 00:51 | wizzyrea | yea, highest we saw last summer was 43ish |
| 00:51 | mental. | |
| 00:51 | dcook | Ugh.. |
| 00:51 | When I was house hunting this year, it was around 43-46 | |
| 00:51 | rangi | bag: i already did goodreads |
| 00:51 | dcook | Not as bad I thought it would be, but still not very fun |
| 00:52 | rangi: O_O | |
| 00:52 | rangi | https://secure.flickr.com/phot[…]49/in/photostream |
| 00:52 | dcook | ? |
| 00:53 | rangi | you can pull in reviews without needing an api key, that pulls them in via isbn number |
| 00:53 | the rest of their api is kinda clunky | |
| 00:53 | wizzyrea | rangi++ |
| 00:53 | rangi | and uses OAuth |
| 00:53 | which is balls | |
| 00:54 | i might send a patch for the reviews stuff | |
| 00:55 | dcook | I think the Add to my Books widget would be pretty nice as well |
| 00:55 | That might just be personal bias, but I personally don't read reviews. I use the lists and that's where I see the real value of goodreads. | |
| 00:55 | rangi | it might be |
| 00:56 | but you cant do add to my books without oauth | |
| 00:56 | bag | oh nice rangi |
| 00:57 | rangi | adn requires you to have a goodreads account of course :), reviews are free |
| 00:58 | dcook | Fair enough |
| 00:58 | rangi | ill probably do it someday when i can face trying to make oauth not be an insecure crap pile again :) |
| 01:04 | dcook | Hmm, the widget looks like it uses an iframe |
| 01:04 | I don't know if it's ideal, but it does look pretty simple | |
| 01:07 | rangi | yeah the widget is easy, but kinda naff, the value comes in being able to it from you koha lists etc |
| 01:07 | or from your cart | |
| 01:07 | dcook | Mmm, that would certainly be more convenient |
| 01:07 | Or from the search results | |
| 01:07 | rangi | you could throw the html widget into the social network stuff |
| 01:07 | and it would show up on the detail page | |
| 01:07 | easy peasy | |
| 01:07 | dcook | But limited, I see what you're saying |
| 01:07 | rangi | but yeah, being able to do a bit more |
| 01:08 | id like you to be able to go heres my list of must reads | |
| 01:08 | on goodreads | |
| 01:08 | how many are in this koha | |
| 01:08 | dcook | Agreed |
| 01:08 | wizzyrea | ^ would be wicked |
| 01:08 | rangi | and it makes a koha list with them and then you can place reserves and check it every so often etc |
| 01:08 | dcook | How many are in Koha, let me place holds on them |
| 01:08 | rangi | yep |
| 01:08 | wizzyrea | haha I was going to type that. |
| 01:08 | dcook | hehe |
| 01:09 | rangi | if you can get the oauth stuff going im happy to do the rest :-) |
| 01:09 | dcook | It could be a good opportunity to look more into authentication.. |
| 01:10 | rangi | http://www.goodreads.com/api/documentation |
| 01:19 | http://jwilk.net/software/adequate <-- eythian | |
| 01:19 | eythian | hmm, could be handy |
| 01:20 | Irma joined #koha | |
| 01:21 | dcook | I'm intrigued that their example requires a developer key... |
| 01:21 | intrigued = annoyed | |
| 01:21 | rangi | yeah |
| 01:21 | dcook | Perhaps I'll take another gander later down the track |
| 01:21 | At the moment, it's back to non-Koha work :( | |
| 01:22 | jcamins | I want no-bake oatmeal cookies. |
| 01:22 | eythian | oh, doesn't work on squeeze :/ |
| 01:22 | rangi | ahh probably too new |
| 01:22 | eythian | about time I made a wheezy vm for testing builds with anyway |
| 01:22 | dcook | jcamins: It's like you know when I'm most hungry and choose those moments to say delicious things |
| 01:23 | jcamins | dcook: I think it's just that at 9pm I tend to be thinking about baking. |
| 01:23 | rangi | interesting |
| 01:23 | wahanui | rumour has it interesting is sometimes good and sometimes bad |
| 01:23 | rangi | koha-common: broken-symlink /usr/share/koha/intranet/htdocs/intranet-tmpl/prog/en/js/tinymce/jscripts/tiny_mce -> ../../../../../../../../../tinymce2/www |
| 01:23 | dcook | Hmm, coincidental timezones make more sense than mindreading I suppose |
| 01:23 | rangi | koha-common: py-file-not-bytecompiled /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/SIP/acstest.py |
| 01:24 | otherwise its pretty happy | |
| 01:24 | eythian | the link probably should be fixed, though the .py one I don't think we care about. |
| 01:25 | rangi | *nod* |
| 01:33 | jcamins | Coconut... yes or no? |
| 01:34 | * dcook | thinks yes |
| 01:34 | wizzyrea | everything is better with coconut |
| 01:34 | dcook | I've been craving coconut lately... |
| 01:35 | eythian | generally I'd say yes |
| 01:59 | jcamins | They are delicious, BTW |
| 02:42 | bag | rangi can I do a git branch -D m* (* for wildcard) |
| 02:43 | rangi | dont think so |
| 02:43 | however | |
| 02:43 | you can do something like | |
| 02:45 | bag | was hoping for b* I've got millions of old bug_xxx branches and I never do house cleaning |
| 02:50 | rangi | try this for me |
| 02:50 | git branch | grep "^ b" | |
| 02:50 | eythian | bag: why don't you try it and let us know? :) |
| 02:50 | bag | I did try :P |
| 02:50 | ok rangi on it | |
| 02:50 | rangi | if that gives you a list of all you bug branches |
| 02:50 | then | |
| 02:51 | git branch | grep "^ b" | xargs git branch -D | |
| 02:51 | will kill them | |
| 02:51 | bag | yeah that killed them |
| 02:52 | back to one page :D | |
| 02:54 | dcook | Should put that on the wiki... |
| 02:54 | rangi | i had to do that with tags when paul accidentally pushed all the biblibre tags once |
| 02:54 | xargs rules | |
| 02:55 | bag | yeah and something like grep - which is awesome! I always forget to use. and it's simple too |
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| 02:58 | dcook | http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]elete_your_Branch |
| 02:58 | yay | |
| 02:58 | bag | heya druthb_away |
| 02:58 | dcook | allo druthb_away |
| 02:59 | druthb_away joined #koha | |
| 03:00 | druthb | There we go. |
| 03:03 | bag | hey druthb |
| 03:03 | fancy seeing you in these parts :P | |
| 03:03 | :P | |
| 03:05 | druthb | :P |
| 03:05 | bag | still in kansas? |
| 03:06 | druthb | until Thursday, yah. |
| 03:06 | The house is very, very empty, though. | |
| 03:24 | gmcharlt | boo! |
| 03:24 | @quote random | |
| 03:24 | huginn | gmcharlt: Quote #150: "<libsysguy> jcamins is the wizard that forges queries in the deep fires of zebra" (added by wizzyrea at 03:07 PM, August 30, 2011) |
| 03:24 | wahanui | i already had it that way, huginn. |
| 03:24 | druthb | Hi, gmcharlt! |
| 03:25 | gmcharlt | hi druthb |
| 03:49 | eythian | http://notalwaysright.com/chec[…]hecking-out/27656 |
| 04:00 | trea left #koha | |
| 04:14 | bag | gmcharlt: I was hoping your RM proposal would include creating a professional catalogers interface within koha :P |
| 04:14 | but I much prefer | |
| 04:14 | you said kill MARC | |
| 04:14 | :D | |
| 04:15 | gmcharlt | bag: funny you should mention that ... at the very least, I'd like to port the EG free-text MARC editor to Koha |
| 04:16 | bag | cool :) |
| 04:16 | and let's have a way to import not marc :) but I'll see what magnuse has cooking in a week... | |
| 04:17 | didn't pianohacker right a free-text editor before? | |
| 04:17 | I think he did - but it never made it to koha - since there were problems with parts of it IIRC | |
| 04:17 | gmcharlt | yeah, that's my recollection as well |
| 04:17 | also, I have no idea where that code ended up | |
| 04:18 | bag | I saw it three years ago…. |
| 04:18 | let me see if I can find it again | |
| 04:19 | ah gmcharlt http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6707 | |
| 04:19 | huginn | 04Bug 6707: enhancement, PATCH-Sent (DO NOT USE), ---, pianohacker, Failed QA , Add alternative, textual MARC editor |
| 04:20 | gmcharlt | bag++ |
| 04:20 | bag | I wonder if that would even apply right now |
| 04:20 | hmm... | |
| 04:21 | not easily :P | |
| 04:23 | sadly gmcharlt it was easier for me to search for that in my email than it was in BZ (I just have never figured out how to search in BZ - and I have an MLS too :( ) | |
| 04:33 | druthb | :P |
| 04:33 | bag | yeah that's a big tongue sticking out :P |
| 04:34 | druthb | gmcharlt: if bag suggests moving from BZ to something else, like...oh, RT, maybe...and says he knows someone who knows how to do that, then just tell him :P |
| 04:34 | gmcharlt | heh |
| 04:34 | * druthb | knows how to do that, but it is an *amazing* load of pain and suffering. |
| 04:34 | bag | I was never the one who said move :P |
| 04:34 | druthb | yet |
| 04:35 | :P | |
| 04:36 | Irma joined #koha | |
| 04:37 | * druthb | hunts for her toolbox. Need a bigger hammer for this translation server. |
| 04:45 | bag | I need more toolboxs |
| 04:45 | I find that the further I get into a car project - the more often I have to run to autozone or something for the one special part | |
| 04:49 | cjh | gmcharlt++ |
| 04:49 | druthb | @karma |
| 04:49 | huginn | druthb: Highest karma: "rangi" (750), "oleonard" (654), and "jcamins" (509). Lowest karma: "<!" (-116), "failed" (-101), and "-" (-73). You (druthb) are ranked 13 out of 2413. |
| 04:49 | druthb | @most increased |
| 04:49 | huginn | druthb: "rangi": 756, "oleonard": 659, "jcamins": 511, "wizzyrea": 391, "gmcharlt": 361, "cait": 356, "chris_n": 313, "paul_p": 275, "kf": 255, "sekjal": 245, "nengard": 237, "magnuse": 216, "druthb": 180, "slef": 175, "eythian": 159, "fredericd": 96, "marcelr": 79, "drojf": 74, "biblibre": 70, "hdl": 69, "mveron": 66, "mtj": 61, "hdl_laptop": 60, "tcohen": 59, and "jwagner": 54 |
| 04:50 | mtj | hey peeps, is the meeting starting in 10 mins, yeah? |
| 04:50 | bag | @karma bag |
| 04:50 | huginn | bag: Karma for "bag" has been increased 9 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 9. |
| 04:50 | bag | mtj: I think it's tomorrow? |
| 04:50 | eythian | mtj: UTC |
| 04:50 | bag | nine times :P |
| 04:50 | eythian | you're still in the future, remember |
| 04:50 | bag | @karma brendan |
| 04:50 | huginn | bag: Karma for "brendan" has been increased 28 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 28. |
| 04:50 | bag | that's better :) |
| 04:50 | @karma bywater | |
| 04:50 | huginn | bag: Karma for "bywater" has been increased 35 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 35. |
| 04:50 | bag | nice :) |
| 04:50 | cjh | mtj: I thought it was tomorrow morning, 7am here. |
| 04:51 | druthb | 1300 next, for me, IIRC |
| 04:51 | mtj | aah, so it is |
| 04:52 | bag | ah but hey mtj how goes it :) |
| 04:52 | * mtj | reads his screen more gooder |
| 04:52 | bag | HA |
| 04:52 | hey are you planning on going to kohacon13? | |
| 04:52 | mtj | aww, pretty good over here |
| 04:53 | bag, i would really like to, but no :/ | |
| 04:53 | bag | oh bummers |
| 04:53 | hey I just sent you a picture of a evil wizard | |
| 04:53 | s/a/an | |
| 04:55 | mtj | lol, just got it |
| 04:59 | bag | yeah I thought you'd get a kick out of that :) |
| 05:04 | mtj | bag, shes looking pretty focused |
| 05:05 | bag | :) |
| 05:07 | mtj | ok, gotta scoot now |
| 05:08 | i cant attend tmrws meeting, will be on a bus… :/ | |
| 05:08 | looking forward to reading the meeting logs after, tho | |
| 05:09 | gmcharlt++ | |
| 05:13 | dcook | gmcharlt++ |
| 05:13 | Nice proposal :) | |
| 05:14 | * druthb | waves to dcook |
| 05:14 | dcook | hey druthb :) |
| 05:14 | druthb | :) |
| 05:33 | cait joined #koha | |
| 05:34 | druthb | hi, cait! :) |
| 05:34 | bag | hi cait |
| 05:35 | dcook | hallo cait :) |
| 05:35 | cait | :) |
| 05:35 | mornin :) | |
| 06:12 | dcook | Time for this moose to scoot. |
| 06:12 | Morning/night all! | |
| 06:19 | drojf joined #koha | |
| 06:19 | drojf | mrnng |
| 06:21 | cait | morning drojf |
| 06:21 | and bye all | |
| 06:21 | cait left #koha | |
| 06:21 | druthb | Hi, drojf! :) |
| 06:22 | drojf | hi druthb |
| 06:22 | (and hi cait for the log ;) | |
| 06:22 | standing up at 7am. i'm getting old :D | |
| 06:24 | oh, meeting today. maybe that should go in the topic? | |
| 06:24 | hahah it is :/ | |
| 06:24 | my windows was too small | |
| 06:24 | getting up≠being awake | |
| 06:35 | druthb | lol |
| 06:37 | bag | ok heading home to walk the doggie catch you all later |
| 06:50 | aquaghost | hello |
| 06:53 | rangi | hi aquaghost |
| 06:54 | aquaghost | how are you? |
| 06:54 | rangi | not too bad, keeping busy, hows the new gig? |
| 06:56 | aquaghost | good thanks hows things with you |
| 06:56 | this is not aquahost | |
| 06:56 | this is aquadehost | |
| 06:57 | bye | |
| 06:57 | :) | |
| 06:57 | xxx | |
| 06:59 | lol, soz, gf was on comp | |
| 06:59 | rangi | :) |
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| 07:22 | * magnuse | waves |
| 07:26 | rangi | hi magnuse |
| 07:26 | christophe_c joined #koha | |
| 07:27 | christophe_c | hello #koha |
| 07:27 | rangi | hi christophe_c |
| 07:27 | christophe_c | hi rangi |
| 07:28 | magnuse | hiya rangi and christophe_c |
| 07:28 | @wunder marseille | |
| 07:28 | huginn | magnuse: The current temperature in Marseille, France is 5.0°C (8:00 AM CET on March 13, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 76%. Dew Point: 1.0°C. Pressure: 29.42 in 996 hPa (Steady). |
| 07:28 | magnuse | ouch! |
| 07:28 | bag | @wunder 93102 |
| 07:28 | huginn | bag: The current temperature in Near Mission - TC, Santa Barbara, California is 10.7°C (12:28 AM PDT on March 13, 2013). Conditions: Fog. Humidity: 72%. Dew Point: 6.0°C. Pressure: 30.08 in 1018 hPa (Steady). Dense fog advisory in effect until 9 am PDT Wednesday... |
| 07:28 | magnuse | @wunder boo |
| 07:28 | huginn | magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is -8.0°C (8:20 AM CET on March 13, 2013). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 86%. Dew Point: -10.0°C. Windchill: -16.0°C. Pressure: 29.65 in 1004 hPa (Steady). |
| 07:28 | bag | yup lots of fog out there |
| 07:29 | christophe_c | hi magnuse |
| 07:29 | bag | -8 ouch! |
| 07:29 | magnuse | yeah, it's a bit on the cold side - lovely weather though |
| 07:29 | yesterday was magnificent with crisp white snow and lots of sun | |
| 07:29 | bag | too cold :P |
| 07:30 | magnuse | we were hoping to meet the spring in marseille, but it doesn't look too promising at the moment, does it? |
| 07:31 | 10-11 degrees next week http://www.yr.no/place/France/[…]rseille/long.html | |
| 07:31 | bag: are you trying to get used to european time? | |
| 07:31 | bag | nah just up late |
| 07:32 | I'm hanging with Ginny for most of the afternoon tomorrow so my wife (Sonja) can take care of a few things - so trying to get my work done tonight | |
| 07:32 | :) | |
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| 07:36 | drojf | @wunder berlin, germany |
| 07:36 | huginn | drojf: The current temperature in Prenzlauer Berg, Berlin, Germany is -3.6°C (8:13 AM CET on March 13, 2013). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 62%. Dew Point: -10.0°C. Windchill: -4.0°C. Pressure: 29.65 in 1004 hPa (Steady). |
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| 07:44 | reiveune | hello |
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| 07:49 | * rangi | is watching history unfold on parliamentary tv |
| 07:51 | rangi | (marriage equality vote) |
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| 07:59 | alex_a | bonjour |
| 08:00 | magnuse | bag: sounds like a good plan :-) |
| 08:00 | rangi | hi alex_a |
| 08:00 | alex_a | hello rangi |
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| 08:00 | gaetan_B | hello |
| 08:02 | Joubu | hi #koha |
| 08:03 | drojf | rangi: so you live in a country that has left the middle ages? i don't :( |
| 08:04 | rangi | not quite yet, but hopefully very soon |
| 08:04 | (we have civil unions now .. but this will make total equality) | |
| 08:04 | its the 2nd reading | |
| 08:05 | http://www.parliament.nz/en-NZ[…]eaaade358509e.htm | |
| 08:05 | (takes 3 readings to be passed into law) | |
| 08:05 | drojf | we have civil unions too but that does not give any financial plus a married couple gets. to think beyond that you would have to consider what's best for kids, but »OMG they want to have kids too???« |
| 08:07 | rangi | yeah |
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| 08:17 | alohabot | Hi mib_rqwkis, Welcome to #koha. Feel free to use the '/nick yourname' command to choose a different name. alohabot, wahanui, and huginn are bots. If you need any help, just ask - there's usually someone around to help :) |
| 08:17 | rangi | this MP is the most boring man alive |
| 08:18 | mib_rqwkis | hi I need help with marc control field processing |
| 08:20 | can you help me ? | |
| 08:20 | rangi | we wont know until you ask your question |
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| 08:23 | rangi | hi cait |
| 08:24 | drojf | mib_rqwkis: what is itthat you want to know? |
| 08:24 | mib_rqwkis | I try recognize a numbers of filelds in record.mrc file |
| 08:25 | drojf | i don't think you can recognize much in the compiled mrc file. if you plan on editing that, i think that is not really possible |
| 08:25 | (if tha tis what you are trying to do) | |
| 08:28 | cait | hi rangi :) |
| 08:28 | drojf | moin cait |
| 08:28 | how is leipzig? | |
| 08:28 | cait | snowy and cold! |
| 08:28 | @wunder leipzig | |
| 08:28 | huginn | cait: The current temperature in APRSWXNET Willi-Bredel-Strabe DE, Leipzig, Germany is -5.0°C (9:03 AM CET on March 13, 2013). Conditions: Light Snow. Humidity: 91%. Dew Point: -6.0°C. Windchill: -9.0°C. Pressure: 29.62 in 1003 hPa (Steady). |
| 08:28 | cait | enjoying some quiet time before the rush |
| 08:28 | drojf | and the conference? how did your talk go? |
| 08:29 | cait | i think it went ok |
| 08:30 | bit hard to tell for me - but relieved it's over :) | |
| 08:30 | drojf | :) |
| 08:30 | cait | no mean questions and someone said something nice on twitter |
| 08:30 | drojf | mib_rqwkis: it would help to know what you are trying to do |
| 08:31 | oh, about mean questions… how did kuali go? :P | |
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| 08:31 | alohabot | Hi mib_kqiakf, Welcome to #koha. Feel free to use the '/nick yourname' command to choose a different name. alohabot, wahanui, and huginn are bots. If you need any help, just ask - there's usually someone around to help :) |
| 08:33 | magnuse | cait: it doesn't get much better than that ;-) |
| 08:33 | mib_kqiakf | I try processing marc record from file |
| 08:33 | magnuse | mib_kqiakf: what do you mean by "processing"? |
| 08:34 | mib_kqiakf | read file and recognize some datafileds and subfields |
| 08:36 | cait | drojf: I thik ok - there is no version to really test it yet |
| 08:36 | rangi | *cough* vapourware *cough* |
| 08:37 | drojf | cait: did you ask what is open about it? :P |
| 08:37 | mib_kqiakf | but I don't see in this file tags |
| 08:37 | drojf | mib_kqiakf: the formats for humans to do that are .mrk or marcxml. mrc is a compiled file. while it should be possible to do it somehow, you will at least get severe headache. |
| 08:38 | all field numbers are in the first line, with the control fields. in an order that i do not understand | |
| 08:38 | or is that the second line? :D | |
| 08:39 | mib_kqiakf: where did you get the mrc file from? | |
| 08:39 | and what are you trying to do with the fields? are you trying to learn from it (like, what fields to use), oder to edit them? | |
| 08:39 | mib_kqiakf | this is 4 lines form file 01038nam a2200313 i 450000800410000001500180004102000150005904000150007404100130008908000260010210000340012824500890016224600810025126000290033230000260036149000190038750400120040665000320041865000360045065000240048665500180051070000490052871000260057783000190060399800100062292000310063299900130066399900480067 |
| 08:40 | cait | directory |
| 08:40 | rangi | its not supposed to be read by a human |
| 08:41 | drojf | at the end, in triplets, are field numbers. so you know in general that there is a 067, 480, 900, 999 and so on in your record. 999 looks like you have data from a non-koha system |
| 08:41 | cait | yep |
| 08:41 | rangi | the M in MARC is for Machine |
| 08:41 | * cait | nods |
| 08:41 | cait | think it was made for magnetic... something? |
| 08:41 | rangi | if you are on a machine that has Koha installed |
| 08:41 | run | |
| 08:41 | marcdump yourfile | less | |
| 08:41 | drojf | magnet readable catalogue? magnets, how the fuck do they catalogue :D |
| 08:41 | rangi | and you will get it in a human readable format |
| 08:42 | cait | drojf: the medium it was used to be saved to... not sure how to say that |
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| 08:42 | rangi | we should use more marc |
| 08:42 | wahanui | http://02varvara.files.wordpre[…]no-bear.jpg?w=800 |
| 08:42 | drojf | hehe |
| 08:43 | cait: i know what you mean, just kidding | |
| 08:43 | cait | drojf: you are mean :P |
| 08:43 | mib_kqiakf | but I try processing this file in programing language like c# and I looking for help to do that |
| 08:44 | rangi | hmm ... that really isnt to do with Koha |
| 08:44 | drojf | and it is not what you want |
| 08:44 | rangi | and c# is not an open language, so I cant really help you with that |
| 08:44 | cait | there are other languages with good tool for processing marc records... |
| 08:44 | like perl | |
| 08:45 | rangi | or python, or ruby |
| 08:45 | drojf | to do whatever with marc data (if it is not "put it in the system wher eit expects that kind of data") you would want the uncompiled thing. use marcdump as rangi said and take a look at the output |
| 08:45 | rangi | pymarc and some marc gem |
| 08:46 | drojf | when paul_p writes +10 i read that as biblibre shouting it alltogether |
| 08:46 | rangi | heh |
| 08:47 | cait | :) |
| 08:48 | mib_kqiakf | I try marcdump and take a look at the output thx |
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| 09:14 | magnuse | bbl |
| 09:20 | rangi | 2nd reading passes 77-44 |
| 09:25 | drojf | nice. with those numbers it seems not very likely it won't pass in the end |
| 09:25 | rangi | yeah its very rare for something to fail at the 3rd reading |
| 09:28 | drojf: i think this is awesome too | |
| 09:28 | https://twitter.com/metiria/st[…]11770325924859906 | |
| 09:28 | a conversation between one of my friends and a member of parliament | |
| 09:29 | drojf | lol |
| 09:42 | magnuse: are you aware that the normarc biblio-zebra-indexdefs.xml file in a package installation (i did 3.10) likely has the wrong file name? it should be biblio-koha-indexdefs.xml for the xMl, it is biblio-zebra-indexdefs.xsl ("koha" vs "marc" in the middle part) for the xSl. | |
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| 10:15 | drojf | anyway i fail to switch from grs to dom for a package installation |
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| 10:31 | Viktor | Is there any known documentation of when it is ok to use the 'back' button in the browser - and when it's not ok? |
| 10:33 | In Koha that is :) | |
| 10:34 | drojf | i think it is "if there is another way, use that" ;) |
| 10:35 | Viktor | I suspect so to drojf :) |
| 10:36 | But there are some situations where it's useful and there is no meaningful way to go back with breadcrumbs etc in the navigation. | |
| 10:36 | Oh well. | |
| 10:38 | drojf | i don't remember a real problem with that in firefox. if you can't go back the page is blank and you can go forth again and find another way |
| 10:38 | Viktor | Aha! Thanks. |
| 10:39 | We are forced to use IE :( | |
| 10:39 | drojf | oh |
| 10:39 | i'm sorry! ;) | |
| 10:40 | Viktor | :) |
| 10:41 | Oh another question - is it possible to return a book from the item view? | |
| 10:41 | Or should we create a button for it? :) | |
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| 11:35 | magnuse | back |
| 12:19 | jenkins_koha | Starting build #1074 for job Koha_master (previous build: FIXED) |
| 12:22 | jcamins | magnuse: I need you to test something for me: do you by any chance not have patrons with names starting with any of the Norwegian letters with diacritics? |
| 12:22 | huginn | New commit(s) kohagit: Merge branch 'bug_6898' into 3.12-master <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]daf2dd79c96a9eaef> / Bug 6898: Increment version number <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]525797366b3f7fea1> / Bug 6898 - circulation librarians can't run overdues without reports permissions... <http://git.koha-community.org/gitweb/?p=koha.git |
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| 12:23 | magnuse | jcamins: i don't have patrons myself ;-) |
| 12:23 | what should i test? | |
| 12:24 | jcamins | Go to the patrons module, browse to patrons with a name starting with a letter with a diacritic, and refresh the page three times. |
| 12:24 | Actually, refresh it twice. | |
| 12:24 | Then if nothing unexpected happens, refresh it again. | |
| 12:26 | * magnuse | enters some fake patrons |
| 12:26 | jcamins | You shouldn't need any patrons. |
| 12:26 | In fact, you definitely don't. | |
| 12:26 | magnuse | huh? |
| 12:27 | jcamins | There needn't be any results when you click Ä. |
| 12:27 | I don't have any, and my server still goes weird. | |
| 12:27 | magnuse | how? |
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| 12:28 | magnuse | i don't see any ill effects |
| 12:28 | testing here: http://head.bibkat.no:8080/cgi[…]=1&surname=%C3%98 | |
| 12:28 | jcamins | Good. |
| 12:28 | In my case, I got a nice dramatic stacktrace. | |
| 12:29 | magnuse | clicking on Å ( = Å ) gives me patrons that start with A (capital a) though... |
| 12:29 | jcamins | Yeah, I've noticed that. |
| 12:29 | magnuse | jcamins: wow! |
| 12:29 | jcamins | The first two times. |
| 12:29 | The third time I get a stack trace. | |
| 12:30 | magnuse | using plack or anything else fancy? |
| 12:30 | jcamins | Plack. |
| 12:30 | * magnuse | has no idea if that is relevant |
| 12:31 | jcamins | Ooh. With use strict in C4/Members.pm I can trigger it first try. |
| 12:31 | Almost certainly that's the culprit | |
| 12:31 | No, maybe not... | |
| 12:32 | * jcamins | sighs. |
| 12:33 | magnuse | sorry, gotta run |
| 12:36 | jcamins | Bye. |
| 12:38 | tcohen | morning #koha |
| 12:42 | jcamins | Okay, seems to be a data thing. |
| 12:42 | Good morning. | |
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| 12:50 | tcohen | where an I download an EDI message? |
| 12:52 | jcamins | tcohen: no idea, sorry. |
| 12:52 | tcohen | hi jcamins |
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| 12:54 | edveal | Good morning |
| 12:54 | jcamins | Is anyone running current master at the moment? |
| 12:54 | If so, what is your Version syspref set to? | |
| 12:54 | Because mine is set to "weird." | |
| 12:54 | Well... 3.9901004. | |
| 12:54 | And that doesn't make much sense to me. | |
| 12:58 | drojf | but it looks cool |
| 12:58 | * drojf | is not at home, no koha here |
| 13:02 | tcohen | 3.1100027 jcamins |
| 13:02 | jcamins | tcohen: thanks. |
| 13:03 | tcohen | will NoZebra stuff be removed fir 3.12? |
| 13:03 | jcamins | tcohen: good question. |
| 13:04 | tcohen | there was a bug for that, right? |
| 13:04 | jcamins | There was. |
| 13:05 | tcohen | bug 7440 |
| 13:05 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7440 major, P3, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Vestiges of NoZebra should be removed |
| 13:13 | New commit(s) kohagit: Merge branch 'bug_9458' into 3.12-master <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]5ae72982cbcd8c16e> / Bug 9458 - Add sorting to lists - QA Followup 4 <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]2cc113dcb85c8002f> / Bug 9458 - Add sorting to lists - QA Followup 3 <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]mitdiff;h=1ac83c0 | |
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| 13:26 | jenkins_koha | Project Koha_master build #1074: UNSTABLE in 1 hr 7 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]Koha_master/1074/ |
| 13:26 | * Mathieu Saby: Bug 8853: Suppress links in basketgroups list | |
| 13:26 | * Kyle M Hall: Bug 6898 - circulation librarians can't run overdues without reports permissions | |
| 13:26 | * Fridolyn SOMERS: Bug 6898 - circulation librarians can't run overdues without reports permissions followup | |
| 13:26 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8853 major, P5 - low, ---, mathieu.saby, Pushed to Master , clicking basketgroup name in closed basketgroups reopens it |
| 13:26 | jenkins_koha | * Jared Camins-Esakov: Bug 6898: Increment version number |
| 13:26 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6898 major, P3, ---, fridolyn.somers, Pushed to Master , circulation librarians can't run overdues without reports permissions |
| 13:28 | jenkins_koha | Starting build #1075 for job Koha_master (previous build: UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #1073 1 day 13 hr ago) |
| 13:39 | * magnuse | waves |
| 13:40 | magnuse | jcamins: my installation of master has Version syspref = 3.1100026 |
| 13:44 | jcamins | magnuse: yeah, I have no idea how I ended up with such a weird version. |
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| 13:48 | magnuse | jcamins: myshkin walking across your keyboard? ;-) |
| 13:48 | jcamins | magnuse: heh. Probably. |
| 13:48 | magnuse | kia ora paul_p! |
| 13:49 | paul_p: do you think you could add some more info about the "something" you already started, to http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]wdfunding_for_big.2C_boring_improvements.3F ? | |
| 13:49 | paul_p | hi magnuse |
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| 14:21 | * jcamins | contemplates strawberry muffins. |
| 14:23 | tcohen | big day jcamins, ah? |
| 14:23 | jcamins | tcohen: only two baking projects planned. |
| 14:24 | Muffins and cookies. | |
| 14:24 | :P | |
| 14:24 | tcohen | (a.k.a freedom) |
| 14:24 | jcamins | lol |
| 14:24 | Yeah, I'm pretty pleased. | |
| 14:24 | * jcamins | considered write-protecting the Roles for 3.14 wiki page so that gmcharlt couldn't remove himself. |
| 14:25 | magnuse | hehe |
| 14:26 | gmcharlt | jcamins: don't worry, I haven't thought better of my decision |
| 14:26 | tcohen | heh |
| 14:26 | jcamins | gmcharlt: isn't it absurdly early where you are? |
| 14:26 | Hmmm... I guess only 6:26. | |
| 14:27 | gmcharlt | no, 7:26 |
| 14:27 | jcamins | 7:26? |
| 14:27 | Huh. | |
| 14:27 | It's hardly early at all, then. | |
| 14:27 | gmcharlt | indeed not ;) |
| 14:27 | jcamins | I need a good muffin recipe. |
| 14:27 | * gmcharlt | watches for suitably horrified expressions on the night owls |
| 14:28 | jcamins | I just don't have one. |
| 14:28 | I have _okay_ muffin recipes, but no recipes that make you say "wow! This is the best muffin recipe ever!" | |
| 14:28 | drojf | magnuse: did you see what i wrote about the normarc indexdef files? |
| 14:28 | jcamins | drojf: yeah, there's a patch for it. |
| 14:29 | drojf | ah, alright |
| 14:29 | jcamins | :) |
| 14:29 | * magnuse | created a bug but not a patch... |
| 14:29 | jcamins | Oh. |
| 14:29 | drojf | still i wonder how to set up dom |
| 14:29 | jcamins | There's a bug. |
| 14:29 | Not a patch. | |
| 14:29 | Whatever. | |
| 14:29 | :) | |
| 14:29 | magnuse | bug 9804 |
| 14:29 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9804 normal, P5 - low, ---, magnus, NEW , Wrong name for NORMARC biblio-koha-indexdefs.xml |
| 14:29 | drojf | the wiki way minus all the errors does not work |
| 14:29 | or i am too stupid | |
| 14:29 | magnuse | gah, for a moment there i thought someone else had made the patch :-) |
| 14:30 | drojf | heh |
| 14:30 | jcamins | cookiemadness.net has a recipe. |
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| 14:30 | jcamins | Maybe I'll try that one. |
| 14:30 | A half cup of butter?!? | |
| 14:30 | magnuse | jcamins: sounds like a good start? |
| 14:30 | jcamins | If I use an entire stick of butter on the muffins, how will I make the cookies? |
| 14:31 | magnuse | jcamins: with more butter that you get from the closest shop? |
| 14:31 | jcamins | All the muffin recipes I've used in the past have used oil and not butter. |
| 14:31 | drojf | mailorder butter |
| 14:31 | jcamins | magnuse: ah, right. |
| 14:33 | Actually, I still have two pounds left after using this stick of butter. | |
| 14:33 | drojf | that reminds me of the great norwegian butter crisis |
| 14:33 | jenkins_koha | Project Koha_master build #1075: STILL UNSTABLE in 1 hr 5 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]Koha_master/1075/ |
| 14:33 | * Owen Leonard: Bug 9647 - Replace YUI buttons on Z39.50 servers administration page with Bootstrap | |
| 14:33 | * Owen Leonard: Bug 9695 - Use alphabet system preference on page used to browse patrons for patron card batches | |
| 14:33 | * Liz Rea: bug 9784: add koha-shell to the koha-common man page | |
| 14:33 | * Robin Sheat: Bug 9035 - delete bulkauthimport.pl | |
| 14:33 | * Marcel de Rooy: Bug 9760: Simplify local use preferences | |
| 14:33 | * Kyle M Hall: Bug 9458 - Add sorting to lists | |
| 14:33 | * Kyle M Hall: Bug 9458 - Add sorting to lists - QA Followup | |
| 14:33 | * Kyle M Hall: Bug 9458 - Add sorting to lists - QA Followup 2 | |
| 14:33 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9647 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Replace YUI buttons on Z39.50 servers administration page with Bootstrap |
| 14:33 | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9695 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Use alphabet system preference on page used to browse patrons for patron card batches | |
| 14:33 | jenkins_koha | * Kyle M Hall: Bug 9458 - Add sorting to lists - QA Followup 3 |
| 14:33 | * Kyle M Hall: Bug 9458 - Add sorting to lists - QA Followup 4 | |
| 14:33 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9784 minor, P5 - low, ---, liz, Pushed to Master , koha-shell missing from koha-common man page |
| 14:33 | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9035 trivial, P5 - low, ---, robin, Pushed to Master , remove deprecated 'bulkauthimport.pl' file | |
| 14:33 | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9760 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, m.de.rooy, Pushed to Master , Simplify local use preferences | |
| 14:33 | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9458 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Pushed to Master , Add sorting to lists | |
| 14:35 | magnuse | drojf: gah! this winter we apparently had butter produced in france, but after norwegian recipies, and there was no talk about it in the media, which was kind of weird |
| 14:35 | i think the crisis was smaller than last winter... :-) | |
| 14:36 | jcamins | Almost $100 a pound! |
| 14:37 | drojf | magnuse: secret french butter? :D |
| 14:37 | jcamins | ... |
| 14:38 | If Jasper Fforde's Thursday Next books didn't predate the crisis, I would've said he changed "butter" to "cheese" and just wrote about the crisis in his novels. | |
| 14:38 | * drojf | wonders what special butter recipes norwegians use |
| 14:40 | drojf | i need cookies. probably now-cookies and meeting-cookies |
| 14:40 | too much now-cookies could lead to meeting-sleep though | |
| 14:40 | jcamins | And is that a bad thing? |
| 14:40 | * magnuse | needs to set some cookies from dancer |
| 14:41 | drojf | jcamins: i thought i am supposed to vote for koha people ;) |
| 14:41 | jcamins | drojf: oh, that meeting. |
| 14:41 | Yes. | |
| 14:41 | drojf | a job meeting i would prefer sleeping |
| 14:41 | paul_p | magnuse = done (on the wiki page http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]wdfunding_for_big.2C_boring_improvements.3F) |
| 14:42 | just FYI : the northen half of France is under snow, but, fortunatly, Marseille is on the south, the weather is really good | |
| 14:42 | @wunder Marseille | |
| 14:42 | huginn | paul_p: The current temperature in Marseille, France is 10.0°C (3:30 PM CET on March 13, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 50%. Dew Point: 0.0°C. Pressure: 29.36 in 994 hPa (Steady). |
| 14:42 | paul_p | (well, for ppl coming to Marseille next week ;-) ) |
| 14:43 | magnuse | paul_p: my wife will be glad to hear that, she is freaking out a bit about the temperatures... :-) |
| 14:43 | paul_p | 10°0... if you're outside, under the sun, it feels much more than this |
| 14:43 | magnuse | and paul_p++ for adding to the agenda - good since it seems both of us might iss the meeting |
| 14:43 | paul_p | last sunday, it was 16-17, and we had lunch in the garden |
| 14:43 | magnuse | paul_p: yeah, a little sunshine helps |
| 14:44 | and not too much wind | |
| 14:44 | lots of rain on sunday it seems http://www.yr.no/place/France/[…]rseille/long.html | |
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| 14:55 | libsysguy | morning everyone |
| 14:56 | magnuse | hiya libsysguy |
| 14:57 | libsysguy | hia magnuse |
| 15:01 | tcohen | do we have a coverage tool for the Koha code available? |
| 15:02 | magnuse | test coverage? |
| 15:02 | jenkins does that, i think | |
| 15:03 | tcohen | I want to check if a function/method is ever used (at least) in a fancier way than grep |
| 15:03 | libsysguy | Devel::Cover? |
| 15:04 | magnuse | tcohen: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]075/HTML_Report/? |
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| 15:04 | tcohen | Devel::Cover, exactly |
| 15:04 | magnuse | the jenkins thing is "Generated by Devel::CoverReport" |
| 15:05 | tcohen | is there info around to run it for my current checkout? |
| 15:06 | libsysguy | I think a lot of Devel::Cover depends on what tests are available |
| 15:06 | tcohen | it relies on the Unit tests then |
| 15:06 | it is not a static code analysis tool | |
| 15:06 | jcamins | tcohen: we do not do static code analysis. |
| 15:07 | magnuse | would Devel::NYTProf be any use? |
| 15:09 | jcamins | magnuse: still requires the code to be run. |
| 15:10 | magnuse | ah |
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| 15:35 | * tcohen | wants to remove NoZebra and be sure no cruft remains |
| 15:39 | jcamins | tcohen: me too! |
| 15:40 | But I'd rather someone else did the removing. | |
| 15:40 | tcohen | we have a problem: http://ffyh.biblio.unc.edu.ar/[…]ules/kohaerror.tt |
| 15:41 | I think tt files shouldn't be accesible | |
| 15:41 | and the rest of the template stuff not browseable | |
| 15:41 | jcamins | tcohen: I've thought about that, and decided I don't care. |
| 15:41 | It'd be easy to fix. | |
| 15:43 | tcohen | hmmm |
| 15:44 | is it possible to match Directory blocks using regexps? | |
| 15:44 | because of the language thing... | |
| 15:44 | jcamins | I'm not sure. |
| 15:44 | The actual solution is to move the tt out of htdocs. | |
| 15:45 | If you think about it, anything that isn't tt doesn't get translated anyway. | |
| 15:45 | tt/xml | |
| 15:45 | *xslt | |
| 15:46 | tcohen | 1) there's a DirectoryMatch block that could provide a quick fix |
| 15:47 | 2) you're 100% right a proper solution would be removing the templates from htdocs | |
| 15:47 | * jcamins | would push a patch providing a quick fix. |
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| 16:00 | oleonard | Hi #koha |
| 16:00 | rambutan | hi oleonard |
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| 16:15 | * jcamins | clarifies his position on 3.14, just in case anyone was confused. |
| 16:15 | bag | morning all :) |
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| 16:17 | rambutan | AM bag |
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| 16:18 | jcamins | Is anyone confused? |
| 16:18 | Good. | |
| 16:19 | oleonard | jcamins: So what you're saying is that you'll probably do lots of volunteering |
| 16:19 | ? | |
| 16:19 | and we should assign the hard bugs to you? | |
| 16:19 | jcamins | Exactly, only, the opposite. |
| 16:25 | drojf | meeting? |
| 16:25 | wahanui | meeting is at 6, so I need to leave in about two and a half hours. |
| 16:25 | drojf | no link? aaaw |
| 16:25 | jcamins | I think 1:35. |
| 16:25 | oleonard | http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]ng,_13_March_2013 |
| 16:26 | drojf | thanks :) |
| 16:26 | * drojf | should have waited with searching the wiki for a minute |
| 16:28 | drojf | and i ate all cookies already. zzZZzz |
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| 16:51 | jcamins | Hm. I guess I had the time wrong. |
| 16:51 | Fortunately I'm here either way. | |
| 16:52 | drojf | huh? it's in an hour, isn't it? |
| 16:52 | druthb | It is in an hour, yes. |
| 16:52 | jcamins | drojf: I thought it was, but druthb and nancyk just showed up, so I figure they know something I don't. |
| 16:53 | * druthb | showed up because she is awake and otherwise unoccupied. |
| 16:53 | nancyk | hate figuring UTC |
| 16:53 | drojf | 18utc is 19 here, that is in an hour |
| 16:53 | i wouldn't mind it to be now though | |
| 16:54 | oleonard | http://www.timeanddate.com/wor[…]g&iso=20130313T18 |
| 16:54 | drojf | it won't take too long with less folk too :P |
| 16:54 | * oleonard | lets the internet do his figuring for him |
| 16:55 | jcamins | drojf: agreed. |
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| 17:07 | nancyk | zzzzzzzz |
| 17:08 | jcamins | nancyk: you had cookies too? |
| 17:08 | nancyk | not enough coffee yet. |
| 17:08 | jcamins | Hehe. |
| 17:11 | oleonard | Remember, people who sleep through meetings get elected for things. |
| 17:11 | jcamins | This is true. |
| 17:11 | nancyk | that woke me up! |
| 17:11 | drojf | lol |
| 17:11 | jcamins | That's how I ended up RM. |
| 17:13 | nancyk | Will you be RM this October? |
| 17:13 | jcamins | No! |
| 17:13 | gmcharlt put in a proposal to be sacrificial lamb^H^H RM | |
| 17:13 | oleonard | I think that's a timing question, not a role question jcamins ;) |
| 17:13 | nancyk | Wanna do a presentation anyway? |
| 17:13 | jcamins | oleonard: oh. |
| 17:14 | nancyk: yeah, I will put in a proposal. | |
| 17:14 | I should decide what I'm proposing to talk about. | |
| 17:14 | nancyk | thanks |
| 17:14 | oleonard | How does Bug 9458 choose which item's call number to sort on? |
| 17:14 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9458 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Pushed to Master , Add sorting to lists |
| 17:14 | jcamins | oleonard: whichever is first. |
| 17:14 | gmcharlt | what determines first? |
| 17:15 | jcamins | gmcharlt: PRNG. |
| 17:15 | * gmcharlt | secretly installs trigger to reshuffle rows every time items is updated |
| 17:15 | gmcharlt | ;) |
| 17:16 | oleonard | Please Restrain Nervous Giggling? |
| 17:17 | gmcharlt | pseudorandom number generator |
| 17:17 | druthb | Please Recycle Noisy Gits? |
| 17:18 | oleonard | Looks like it sorts on the first item, but doesn't show the items in the same order as they are when it determines which is first |
| 17:19 | tcohen | jcamins, is -Indexes relevant or just forbidding modules/xslt/includes would be enough for a quick fix? |
| 17:21 | anyone? | |
| 17:21 | wahanui | rumour has it anyone is free to organize one at any time :-) |
| 17:22 | jcamins | tcohen: might as well disable idnexes. |
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| 17:23 | drojf | nice. a german court ruled pro LGPL, violater has to pay 15000€ for the use of some library in his closed software |
| 17:24 | jcamins | Excellent! |
| 17:25 | * libsysguy | made it back in time for the meeting |
| 17:25 | libsysguy | woot |
| 17:31 | drojf | only in germany... http://www.wursttoaster.com/en[…]er_ueberblick.php |
| 17:32 | jcamins | drojf: wow, yeah, you're right. |
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| 17:33 | drojf | german wurst engineering! |
| 17:33 | "Who can benefit from toasting sausages? Any customer facing business seeing an opportunity to earn money by including Bratwurst into its sales and marketing channels. " | |
| 17:34 | koha workshop and bratwurst sale, what can possibly go wrong? | |
| 17:34 | jcamins | If it's worth doing, it's worth doing with lots of chrome. |
| 17:35 | drojf | maybe i'll write a book about it too. "the bratwurst opportunity". from bratwurst toaster to millionaire |
| 17:36 | omg and you need a special bratwurst. which they sell. hahahahaha that is the best thing ever | |
| 17:37 | oleonard | You gotta have the right gauge brats right? |
| 17:38 | drojf | lol yeah. "It is especially created for the sausage toaster, achieving shorter grilling times and having greater taste with less fat. " |
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| 17:39 | tcohen | bug 9812 |
| 17:39 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9812 minor, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Needs Signoff , Several files shouldn't be exposed or browseable through a URL |
| 17:40 | oleonard | cait: drojf is recruiting us all to his new business venture: http://www.wursttoaster.com/en[…]er_ueberblick.php |
| 17:40 | cait | these crazy germans... |
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| 17:41 | jcamins | cait: and it uses metre-gauge bratwurst rather than standard gauge bratwurst. |
| 17:42 | cait | and only 7kg... |
| 17:42 | quite light for such an incredible device | |
| 17:42 | * jcamins | can't stop giggling over the idea. |
| 17:43 | drojf | it's fantastic, isn't it :D |
| 17:43 | jcamins | It is! |
| 17:43 | drojf | cait: do you know "wer anderen eine bratwurst brät, der hat ein bratwurstbratgerät"? now i know what that is |
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| 17:44 | cait | lol |
| 17:44 | no; didn't know that one yet | |
| 17:44 | jcamins | bratwurstbratgerät? |
| 17:45 | Google translate has no explanation. | |
| 17:46 | drojf | bratwurstfryingdevice. as you know german can build words as long as you like. i don't konow who came up with that one, i remember it from irc quit messages from ages ago |
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| 17:46 | jcamins | A person who fries bratwurst has a bratwurst frying device? |
| 17:47 | drojf | a person who fries bratwurst for others has a bratwurst frying device |
| 17:47 | cait | something like that |
| 17:47 | can't he fry bratwurst for himself? | |
| 17:47 | jcamins | cait: apparently the device is unnecessary in that case. |
| 17:47 | cait | is the meeting in 13 mins? |
| 17:47 | druthb | yis |
| 17:48 | cait | interesting |
| 17:48 | wahanui | i think interesting is sometimes good and sometimes bad |
| 17:48 | oleonard | It may be postponed for more bratwurst jokes. |
| 17:48 | cait | no sure the chair will allow that |
| 17:48 | drojf | there is "wer anderen eine grube gräbt, fällt selbst hinein". i think that is some kind of nonsense variation |
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| 17:49 | cait | marcelr++ btw |
| 17:49 | drojf | the internet says the english equivalent to the grube proverb is "Curses, like chickens, come home to roost." |
| 17:49 | so maybe it is chicken bratwurst | |
| 17:49 | thd | oleonard: What happened to your need for including Apache 2 licensed code and hence GPL 3 or AGPL 3? |
| 17:50 | cait | we decided to update the koha license |
| 17:50 | cjh | good morning |
| 17:50 | oleonard | thd: I needed GPL3 to be able to include the Bootstrap library, which we are now doing. |
| 17:50 | jcamins | thd: we have done so. |
| 17:50 | cait | which is quite awesome isn't it? |
| 17:50 | :) | |
| 17:50 | hi cjh :) | |
| 17:51 | thd | jcamins: We had scheduled a vote which never occurred. |
| 17:51 | jcamins | thd: we voted three times. |
| 17:51 | drojf | i remember voting on something |
| 17:51 | oleonard | I don't think that's right thd. We voted in the meeting. |
| 17:51 | jcamins | We voted to vote to vote, we voted to vote, and we voted. |
| 17:52 | drojf | invoteception |
| 17:52 | thd | I had understood that we voted to have the vote at the following meeting. |
| 17:52 | jcamins | We did. Then we voted at the following meeting. |
| 17:52 | So the license discussion is not on the agenda. | |
| 17:52 | cait | yep |
| 17:53 | thd | I know that it is not on today's agenda. |
| 17:53 | oleonard | Bug 9440 |
| 17:53 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9440 trivial, P5 - low, ---, mtj, Pushed to Master , update Koha's LICENSE file from GPL2 to GPL3 |
| 17:53 | oleonard | Boom. |
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| 17:55 | thd | Maybe I was at a different meeting from other people or was disconnected without realising. |
| 17:55 | I will have to check the logs. | |
| 17:56 | davidnind | Change to GPL 3 agreed at 5 December 2012 meeting - http://meetings.koha-community[…]2-12-05-18.05.txt |
| 17:56 | wahanui | davidnind: that doesn't look right |
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| 17:57 | thd | Bug 9440 is inadequate description of what ought to change but it will satisfy for the moment. |
| 17:57 | jcamins | Who is chairing? |
| 17:57 | wahanui | chairing is easy with meetingbot :) |
| 17:57 | jcamins | thd: patches are always welcome. |
| 17:58 | cait | i can |
| 17:58 | if you want me to | |
| 17:58 | drojf | People Present (lines said) * thd (22) |
| 17:58 | gmcharlt | cait++ |
| 17:58 | jcamins | Yes please! |
| 17:58 | drojf | yay cait |
| 17:58 | cait | #startmeeting |
| 17:58 | wahanui | if there is a meeting then Brooke must want me |
| 17:58 | huginn | cait: Error: A meeting name is required, e.g., '#startmeeting Marketing Committee' |
| 17:58 | wahanui | i already had it that way, huginn. |
| 17:59 | thd | jcamins: Many files need a header patch which specifies their source license and not GPL 3+. |
| 17:59 | cait | Welcome all :) |
| 17:59 | please introduce yourself with #info | |
| 17:59 | tcohen | hi cait |
| 17:59 | jcamins | thd: yes, patches are welcome. Now we have a meeting. |
| 17:59 | cait | #topic introductions |
| 17:59 | wahanui | #info wahanui, a bot that has become sentient |
| 17:59 | gmcharlt | cait: hold on - you need to redo the #startmeeting |
| 17:59 | cait | ah sorry |
| 17:59 | drojf | cait: there was an error. is that usual? |
| 17:59 | libsysguy | did it actually start the meeting |
| 17:59 | cait | #startmeeting Koha IRC Meeting |
| 17:59 | huginn | Meeting started Wed Mar 13 17:59:33 2013 UTC. The chair is cait. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. |
| 17:59 | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | |
| 17:59 | Topic for #koha is now (Meeting topic: Koha IRC Meeting) | |
| 17:59 | huginn | The meeting name has been set to 'koha_irc_meeting' |
| 17:59 | cait | #topic Introductions |
| 17:59 | wahanui | #info wahanui, a bot that has become sentient |
| 17:59 | Topic for #koha is now Introductions (Meeting topic: Koha IRC Meeting) | |
| 17:59 | tcohen | #info Tomas Cohen Arazi, Universidad Nacional de Cordoba |
| 17:59 | oleonard | #info Owen Leonard, Athens County Public Libraries |
| 17:59 | jcamins | #info Jared Camins-Esakov, C & P Bibliography Services, RM for 3.12 |
| 17:59 | gmcharlt | #info Galen Charlton, Equinox Software |
| 17:59 | thd | #info Thomas Dukleth, Agogme, New York City |
| 17:59 | drojf | #info Mirko Tietgen, Berlin |
| 17:59 | cait | ok :) Welcome all - please introduce yourself with #info |
| 18:00 | druthb | #info D Ruth Bavousett, TM 3.12, speaking for m'self. |
| 18:00 | libsysguy | #info Elliott Davis, Houston Tx, QAA 3.12 |
| 18:00 | cait | #info Katrin Fischer, BSZ Germany |
| 18:00 | jwagner | #info Jane Wagner, LibLime/PTFS |
| 18:00 | margo | #Margo Duncan University of Texas at Tyler |
| 18:00 | JesseM | #info Jesse Maseto, ByWater Solutions |
| 18:00 | davidnind | #info David Nind, Wellington, New Zealand |
| 18:00 | nancyk | #info Nancy Keener, Washoe County, Reno Nevada |
| 18:00 | cjh | #info Chris Hall, Catalyst IT, New Zealand |
| 18:00 | margo | #info Margo Duncan, University of Texas at Tyler |
| 18:00 | ColinC | #info Colin Campbell, PTFS Europe Ltd |
| 18:00 | bgkriegel | #info Bernardo Gonzalez Kriegel, Córdoba, Argentina |
| 18:00 | bag | #info Brendan Gallagher, ByWater Solutions |
| 18:00 | cait | ok :) |
| 18:00 | going to change the topic :) | |
| 18:01 | #topic Announcements | |
| 18:01 | Topic for #koha is now Announcements (Meeting topic: Koha IRC Meeting) | |
| 18:01 | slef | #info MJ Ray, software.coop, England |
| 18:01 | cait | do we have announcements or amendments to the agenda? |
| 18:01 | libsysguy | only one from me |
| 18:01 | I forgot to attache it | |
| 18:01 | cait | yes? |
| 18:01 | libsysguy | I am still planning on donating the domain names to HLT as of 4/3/2013 |
| 18:02 | that is as soon as I can release them | |
| 18:02 | slef | 2013-04-03 |
| 18:02 | wahanui | 2006 |
| 18:02 | drojf | that was days ago |
| 18:02 | :P | |
| 18:02 | in europe | |
| 18:02 | libsysguy | heh |
| 18:02 | I can put it in DT format if you wish | |
| 18:02 | cait | ok :) any questions about this or further announcements? |
| 18:02 | slef | drojf: #include <jokes/time/laggy/usa> |
| 18:02 | thd | libsysguy: Which names? |
| 18:02 | libsysguy | 2013-04-03 00:00:00 |
| 18:03 | drojf | slef: yay :D |
| 18:03 | libsysguy | I bought a gamut of koha based names a month or so ago |
| 18:03 | thd | OK |
| 18:03 | libsysguy | and have an arrangement to transfer them to HLT |
| 18:03 | domain_names_on_sale++ | |
| 18:04 | anywho, that's all I have | |
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| 18:04 | cait | ok |
| 18:04 | moving on | |
| 18:04 | #topic Update on 3.8 | |
| 18:04 | Topic for #koha is now Update on 3.8 (Meeting topic: Koha IRC Meeting) | |
| 18:04 | melia | #info melia meggs, bywater solutions (late, sorry) |
| 18:05 | khall | #info Kyle M Hall, ByWater Solutions |
| 18:05 | cait | I think rmaint is not here? |
| 18:05 | edveal | #info Ed Veal, ByWater Solutions |
| 18:05 | jcamins | Seemingly not. |
| 18:05 | cait | heh |
| 18:05 | JDatTeTakere | #info JD/Joanne Dillon, Te Takere |
| 18:05 | cait | I guess it's best we move on to 3.12? |
| 18:05 | * slef | checks bugs |
| 18:05 | gbengaadara | #info Olugbenga Adara, Projektlink Konsult |
| 18:05 | jcamins | Fine by me. |
| 18:05 | cait | #topic Update on 3.12 |
| 18:05 | Topic for #koha is now Update on 3.12 (Meeting topic: Koha IRC Meeting) | |
| 18:06 | jcamins | Koha 3.12 is still on schedule. |
| 18:06 | cait | jcamins: ? :) |
| 18:06 | jcamins | I've been thinking about writing a belated RM newsletter. |
| 18:06 | cait | jcamins |
| 18:06 | jcamins++ | |
| 18:06 | jcamins | When that will happen exactly I couldn't say, but I do plan on writing one. |
| 18:07 | gmcharlt | jcamins++ |
| 18:07 | cait | maybe after hackfest would be a good time? |
| 18:07 | tcohen | jcamins++ |
| 18:07 | jcamins | I also plan to release an alpha tarball/package at the start of the feature flush, and a beta a few days after the feature freeze. |
| 18:07 | drojf | aaand we have a pope |
| 18:07 | cait | we do? |
| 18:07 | drojf | sorry ^^ |
| 18:07 | slef | jcamins: should I be looking at Version 3.12 or Version master in bugs? |
| 18:07 | jcamins | Better not be me! |
| 18:07 | oleonard | drojf: Was that on the agenda? And no vote? |
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| 18:07 | jcamins | slef: version master. |
| 18:08 | drojf | oleonard: intransparency galore |
| 18:08 | slef | jcamins: so 2 blockers |
| 18:08 | bug 9324 | |
| 18:08 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9324 blocker, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Reserves cannot be deleted with DEBUG on under Plack |
| 18:08 | jcamins | On the subject of the schedule, I would like to remind people of a few key dates. |
| 18:08 | slef | bug 9591 |
| 18:08 | wahanui | bug 9591 is a weird one |
| 18:08 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9591 blocker, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Set Library changes after viewing Holds Queue >> reserves item |
| 18:08 | cait | I think we might go through a bunch of bugs next week - probably some need updating |
| 18:09 | jcamins | Feature slush is March 15. |
| 18:09 | cait | drojf: oh, white smoke |
| 18:09 | jcamins | Any patch for a feature or enhancement that has not already been submitted by Friday *IS NOT GOING INTO KOHA 3.12*. |
| 18:09 | slef | (23 critical, 84 major, 280 normal, 82 minor, 17 trivial, 496 enhancements, 11 new features) |
| 18:10 | jcamins | Feature freeze starts March 22. |
| 18:10 | slef | #info 2 blockers, 23 critical, 84 major, 280 normal, 82 minor, 17 trivial, 496 enhancements, 11 new features |
| 18:10 | #info Feature slush is March 15, freeze starts March 22 | |
| 18:10 | jcamins | Any feature or enhancement that has not been pushed by March 22 *IS NOT GOING INTO KOHA 3.12*. |
| 18:10 | cait | thx slef |
| 18:10 | drojf | jcamins: that includes followups? |
| 18:10 | cait | i got distracted by the pope :) |
| 18:10 | slef | #info Any feature or enhancement that has not been pushed by March 22 *IS NOT GOING INTO KOHA 3.12* |
| 18:10 | jcamins | drojf: follow-ups fixing bugs in features already pushed will be accepted post-freeze. |
| 18:10 | slef | cait: it's usually the priests to blame and the pope just hushes it up. |
| 18:11 | jcamins | And QA follow-ups/revisions are allowed during the slush. |
| 18:11 | slef | there are 84 enhancements and 1 new feature Needs Signoff |
| 18:11 | drojf | ok that is what i meant |
| 18:11 | cait | i think we have to decide in some cases if it's a rewrite or QA follow up |
| 18:11 | slef: most new features probably not marked correctly | |
| 18:11 | jcamins | cait: yes. And I will tend to err on the side of "it's a rewrite." |
| 18:12 | So, basically: | |
| 18:12 | cait | jcamins: your call :) |
| 18:12 | slef | jcamins: what would you like us to prefer? Bugfixes or enhancements? |
| 18:12 | cait | bugfixes |
| 18:12 | wahanui | bugfixes are still fair game |
| 18:12 | jcamins | #info If you are in doubt about whether or not an enhancement/feature is eligible for 3.12, it isn't. |
| 18:12 | cait | but you didn't ask me :) |
| 18:12 | jcamins | Bugfixes. |
| 18:12 | wahanui | bugfixes are still fair game |
| 18:12 | jcamins | Absolutely bugfixes. |
| 18:12 | I'd love to see more enhancements and features go in, of course, but our goal is a rock-solid release. | |
| 18:13 | drojf | rock-solid++ |
| 18:13 | jcamins | 3.14 is coming out in November, so anything that gets bumped shouldn't be waiting too long. |
| 18:13 | cait | I saw some weridness in presenting koha today... will try to track these things down and check |
| 18:13 | jcamins | And that's all I have to say. |
| 18:13 | cait | ok |
| 18:13 | slef | any javascript gurus around? |
| 18:13 | jcamins | Unless there are more questions. |
| 18:13 | cait | so I would like to move on :) |
| 18:13 | slef: is your question related to 3.12? | |
| 18:13 | slef | cait: it's a major bug in master, so sort of. |
| 18:14 | cait | maybe that is better for after the meeting? |
| 18:14 | oleonard | File a bug, discuss after the meeting |
| 18:14 | cait | yep |
| 18:14 | slef | cait: as you wish. |
| 18:14 | cait | #topic KohaCon2013 |
| 18:14 | Topic for #koha is now KohaCon2013 (Meeting topic: Koha IRC Meeting) | |
| 18:14 | nancyk | #info We have 18 people registered so far, 6 programs proposed, we need more. |
| 18:14 | cait | nancyk? :) |
| 18:14 | slef | oleonard: is a bug. Was hoping to smoke out someone to review the fix ;-) |
| 18:15 | nancyk | #info I will send out an email calling for papers, and asking for subjects we would like to see covered. This email will also include links to register, volunteer to do a program, and other stuff. |
| 18:15 | cait | nancyk++ :) |
| 18:15 | jcamins | #link http://koha-community.org/kohacon/kohacon13/ |
| 18:15 | bag | perhaps include a deadline for submissions for talks? |
| 18:15 | * slef | goes to close the kohacon12 registration forms |
| 18:15 | oleonard | I would like to present at KohaCon2013 if anyone has good ideas for what kind of front-end/UI stuff might be of interest |
| 18:16 | drojf | slef: noooo |
| 18:16 | slef | drojf: 12, not 13 |
| 18:16 | drojf | i know |
| 18:16 | nancyk | #info We have a meeting next week on Tues 19th 19 UTC, I’ll send out a reminder. |
| 18:16 | drojf | :P |
| 18:16 | thd | oleonard: ui magic show :) |
| 18:16 | slef | drojf: o_O |
| 18:17 | nancyk | #info I would like to set up some panel discussions … what would be good? |
| 18:17 | cait | oleonard: maybe some conceptual ideas to get some feedback from libraries? |
| 18:17 | drojf | nancyk: will it be possible to do a streaming presentation? i might consider doing that, but i will 99,9% sure not be able to come to reno |
| 18:17 | bag | nancyk: panels should be fine |
| 18:17 | nancyk | we can certainly try. |
| 18:18 | That's all I have for now | |
| 18:18 | jcamins | drojf: a prerecorded talk seemed to work for last time. Perhaps slef can advise nancyk on how he set that up. |
| 18:18 | tcohen | do we have some deadline regarding kohacon13 participation? |
| 18:18 | bag | nancyk++ |
| 18:18 | drojf | jcamins: yeah that is probably more safe |
| 18:19 | nancyk | No deadlines yet |
| 18:19 | drojf | and try a live hello/q&a afterwards |
| 18:19 | slef | oh wow you don't want to know |
| 18:19 | playback was easy, but I was using a GSM phone with a headphone jack into the PA | |
| 18:19 | tcohen | thanks nancyk |
| 18:20 | slef | for the live Q+A |
| 18:20 | drojf | i was more thinking of jitsy |
| 18:20 | slef | I hope drojf doesn't mind, but I'd prefer live speakers if you can. |
| 18:20 | cait | nancyk: ok to change topic? |
| 18:20 | drojf | jitsi even |
| 18:20 | cait | and thank you for the update! |
| 18:20 | nancyk | yes |
| 18:20 | cait | #topic KohaCon14 |
| 18:20 | Topic for #koha is now KohaCon14 (Meeting topic: Koha IRC Meeting) | |
| 18:21 | cait | not sure who added it to the agenda |
| 18:21 | dpavlin_ | #info Dobrica Pavlinušić, FFZG Zagreb, Croatia (sorry, late) |
| 18:21 | drojf | slef: no i perfectly understand that |
| 18:21 | cait | hi dpavlin_ :) |
| 18:21 | drojf | hi dpavlin_ |
| 18:21 | please propose for kohacon 14 :P | |
| 18:21 | dpavlin_ | hi all, not to hijack KohaCon14 topic :-) |
| 18:21 | drojf | aaaw |
| 18:22 | * jcamins | cheers! Zagreb for KohaCon14! |
| 18:22 | gmcharlt | I think it's a little early, unless there are folks eager to start proposing sites |
| 18:22 | tcohen | ;-) |
| 18:22 | slef | nancyk: it looks like someone has edited the kohacon12 registration form, but left them coming to the co-op. Should I change the recipient address and forward the forms over? Can you /msg slef the email address, please? |
| 18:23 | jcamins | I think what we've heard from previous organizers is that having extra time to think is a good idea, so that there could be some sort of planning discussion at the previous year's KohaCon. |
| 18:23 | That leaves us several months, since KohaCon13 is in October. | |
| 18:23 | And I don't know who put it on the agenda either. | |
| 18:23 | slef | someone check RecentChanges. I'm up to my eyeballs in website |
| 18:24 | cait | slef: lotsof registrations? :) |
| 18:24 | ok | |
| 18:24 | slef | cait: I think I saw a few come in. I was going to check when things quietened down (hah!) |
| 18:24 | cait | so if we don't have something to vote or discuss right now - I am going to move on :) |
| 18:25 | druthb | dooo eeet |
| 18:25 | cait | but zagreb would certainly be nice :) |
| 18:25 | #topic Roles for 3.14 | |
| 18:25 | Topic for #koha is now Roles for 3.14 (Meeting topic: Koha IRC Meeting) | |
| 18:25 | cait | i think now starts the main event for tonight? |
| 18:25 | nancyk | I will fix the registration page. |
| 18:25 | slef | nancyk: I have the admin open, so can do it if you prefer. |
| 18:25 | cait | ok, not to sound silly, but are we going to vote tonight? |
| 18:26 | jcamins | Apparently we are voting at the April meeting. |
| 18:26 | bag | I don't think it's bad to talk about it now - the more choice we have or the more people thinking about hosting next one the better :) |
| 18:26 | cait | ah, because I think it was advertised somewhere that we will vote today |
| 18:27 | bag | probably just a - hey we need some volunteers in the next 8 months :P |
| 18:27 | jcamins | From February 6: vote for release team is in two meetings time (wizzyrea, 02:42:38) |
| 18:27 | gmcharlt | yep |
| 18:27 | slef | oh the form has been edited out of the kohacon12 registration page |
| 18:27 | bag | yep April |
| 18:27 | drojf | we are not voting today? |
| 18:27 | bag | no voting today |
| 18:27 | cait | I guess there was some confusion |
| 18:27 | jcamins | We are not. |
| 18:27 | cait | maybe we shoudl make it an early april meeting then |
| 18:27 | drojf | and i stayed up all night? man |
| 18:28 | kidding | |
| 18:28 | cait | drojf: it's not even 8 |
| 18:28 | nancyk | send them to me nkeenerwashoecounty.us |
| 18:28 | ColinC | I had the virtual white smoke ready |
| 18:28 | slef | nancyk: will do. |
| 18:28 | druthb | ColinC++ |
| 18:28 | oleonard | drojf is in Kazakhstan starting his bratwurst cart business cait |
| 18:28 | It's later there. | |
| 18:29 | cait | ColinC: heh |
| 18:29 | ok, so no voting | |
| 18:29 | any questions about the roles? | |
| 18:29 | thd | Yes |
| 18:30 | I would like gmcharlt to clarify any thoughts he has about post-MARC Koha | |
| 18:30 | cait | thd: I think this kind of question takes a longer time to be answered |
| 18:30 | thd | I mean of course very briefly. |
| 18:30 | cait | gmcharlt? |
| 18:30 | wahanui | i think gmcharlt is an expert in all things library technology. |
| 18:31 | gmcharlt | thd: it's pretty simple, at least in theory: I would like Koha to be able to treat metadata formats other than MARC21 as first-class options for data entry, search, and indexing |
| 18:31 | in particular (to start), qualified Dublin Core and (if the tuits appear) EAD | |
| 18:32 | druthb | no one is saying get rid of MARC handling, right, gmcharlt? There seems to be confusion over that. |
| 18:32 | gmcharlt | more generally, to take advantage of the capacities of the current search engine options to index arbitrary XML |
| 18:32 | druthb: correct, and to be clear: the proposal is not to remove MARC support from Koha | |
| 18:32 | that's EASILY a decade away | |
| 18:32 | bag | death to MARC! |
| 18:32 | heh | |
| 18:32 | druthb | gmcharlt++ |
| 18:33 | thd | gmchart: The arbitrary format issue is the answer to my question. |
| 18:33 | cait | gmcharlt++ sounds interesting for sure! |
| 18:33 | thd | gmcharlt++++ |
| 18:33 | cait | ok |
| 18:33 | any more questions? | |
| 18:33 | magnuse: you around? | |
| 18:33 | tcohen | yes: can we vote for gmcharlt so he can't run away? |
| 18:33 | dpavlin_ | so we would have biblio in any format, what about items? |
| 18:33 | cait | tcohen: I have been pondering that |
| 18:34 | oleonard | magnuse said he wouldn't be here |
| 18:34 | cait | oleonard: I had a pm from him earlier :) |
| 18:34 | so just checking | |
| 18:34 | ok next toic | |
| 18:34 | #topic Crowdfunding for big boring improvements (see agenda) | |
| 18:34 | Topic for #koha is now Crowdfunding for big boring improvements (see agenda) (Meeting topic: Koha IRC Meeting) | |
| 18:34 | * druthb | is headed out to other engagements. be well, all. |
| 18:35 | cait | maybe we can gather some gneeral thoughts on that? |
| 18:35 | slef | I should find the video of my awful kohacon12 talk ;) |
| 18:36 | gmcharlt | one general thought -- there would be some legalities to consider |
| 18:36 | jcamins | The idea seems good in theory. The problem is just the lag time on any sort of large refactoring. Patch A depends on patch B depends on patch C, and each one takes a long time to get in, so we may end up making very little progress. |
| 18:36 | gmcharlt | for example, should we form an entity that is empowered to collect and distribute funds (or join an exisiting umbrella organization for F/OSS projects)? |
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| 18:36 | tcohen | I belive the main problem is the choice of some framework |
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| 18:37 | gmcharlt | or consider an approach where somebody comes up with a plan to do such a project, then seeks funding? |
| 18:37 | cait | gmcharlt: or join one |
| 18:37 | davidnind | Piwik (Google Analytics) has successfully used crowdfunding for new features. See: http://crowdfunding.piwik.org/ |
| 18:37 | slef | gmcharlt: or ask HLT if it would process them. |
| 18:38 | davidnind | s/be free software Google Analytics alternative |
| 18:38 | thd | Is there any problem with HLT serving as the collecting and dispersement entity? |
| 18:38 | gmcharlt | slef: indeed, ready, willing, *and* equipped to do so |
| 18:38 | tcohen | crowdfunding is not the problem, but what to do |
| 18:38 | slef | Is Bob our HLT contact? |
| 18:38 | gmcharlt | thd: that is an open question -- it would mean work for HLT; we certainly can't just assume |
| 18:38 | drojf | thd: for one, they would have to agree to do that? |
| 18:38 | cait | and i guess being as inteantional as we are there might be difficultis of all sorts to move money around and billing |
| 18:39 | gmcharlt | cait: and potential conflicts of interest |
| 18:39 | jcamins | JDatTeTakere: any thoughts before HLT is volunteered? |
| 18:39 | * cait | wishes things weren't so complicated all the time |
| 18:39 | slef | cait: I suspect that is going to suck no matter what we do and be rather unpredictable, so I wouldn't include it as a reason, based on past experience. |
| 18:39 | thd | Asside from the question of the willingness of HLT, is there a problem for some organisations giving to HLT? |
| 18:40 | cait | I think just donating without a bill for something could be a problem for some public institutions |
| 18:40 | slef | cait: unless someone can get a banker to give a promise ;-) |
| 18:40 | thd: giving: yes; paying for a promise of koha work: probably not. | |
| 18:40 | margo | if you could structure it to show that an insitution is paying for something |
| 18:40 | cait | but thta's to be sorted out when we have some proposal |
| 18:40 | JDatTeTakere | I was just trying to work out what HLT stood for :-) |
| 18:41 | slef | wahanui: HLT? |
| 18:41 | wahanui | HLT are hosting it? |
| 18:41 | slef | wahanui: forget HLT |
| 18:41 | wahanui | slef: I forgot hlt |
| 18:41 | JDatTeTakere | Horowhenua Library Trust |
| 18:41 | jcamins | HLT is Horowhenua Library Trust |
| 18:41 | hlt? | |
| 18:41 | wahanui | hlt is Horowhenua Library Trust |
| 18:41 | slef | wahanui: HLT is Horowhenua Library Trust http://www.library.org.nz |
| 18:41 | wahanui | ...but hlt is Horowhenua Library Trust... |
| 18:41 | slef | wahanui: forget HLT |
| 18:41 | wahanui | slef: I forgot hlt |
| 18:41 | slef | wahanui: HLT is Horowhenua Library Trust http://www.library.org.nz |
| 18:41 | wahanui | OK, slef. |
| 18:42 | JDatTeTakere | We're currently working on some improvements for Kete but would certainly love to be involved in Koha ones. |
| 18:42 | cait | ok |
| 18:42 | I think we won't come to a decision about that atonight | |
| 18:42 | jcamins | Agreed. |
| 18:42 | cait | so I am moving on to Actions from last meeting |
| 18:43 | #topic Actions from last meeting | |
| 18:43 | Topic for #koha is now Actions from last meeting (Meeting topic: Koha IRC Meeting) | |
| 18:43 | cait | trying to hurry things along a bit ;) |
| 18:43 | tcohen | how can we come to discuss choosing a framework or minimal set of tools for that? |
| 18:43 | cait | can someone check the logs please? |
| 18:43 | jcamins | We have no outstanding actions. |
| 18:43 | tcohen: send a message to the mailing list. | |
| 18:43 | oleonard | http://meetings.koha-community[…]-02-07-02.05.html |
| 18:43 | gmcharlt | well, just the one |
| 18:43 | ACTION: interested parties should submit their proposals for release team duties to the wiki, and mail the link to the devel list (wizzyrea, 02:41:09) | |
| 18:43 | cait | tcohen: I think doing it on the fly without preparation now is too hard - but could be discussed on the mailing list /a wiki page |
| 18:43 | * gmcharlt | reiterates call for more bug wranglers |
| 18:44 | jcamins | gmcharlt: interested parties already did that, I think. |
| 18:44 | tcohen | indeed |
| 18:44 | cait | well if we got more interested parties... that would not hurt |
| 18:44 | slef | gmcharlt: say it as #action for maximum volume? |
| 18:44 | jcamins | True. |
| 18:44 | cait | btw gmcharlt+++++ :) |
| 18:44 | #action please consider being a bug wrangler! | |
| 18:45 | gmcharlt | #action Folks interested in 3.14 roles, particularly QA and bug wranglers, should submit proposals and update http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]ki/Roles_for_3.14 |
| 18:45 | cait | ok, can someone help me find the right time for next meeting please? drojf? |
| 18:45 | drojf | i forgot which way around we rotate |
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| 18:46 | slef | last was 2am |
| 18:46 | gmcharlt | I suggest that we do shoot for earlier in April, and suggest April 3rd as the day |
| 18:46 | cait | I think backwards |
| 18:46 | slef | so next is 10 UTC = 11 BST = 12 CEST = arrrgh? |
| 18:46 | drojf | i think it is 12is |
| 18:46 | jcamins | April 3, 1000UTC? |
| 18:46 | Yes. | |
| 18:46 | cait | gmcharlt: ok for me |
| 18:46 | drojf | yeah i think so slef |
| 18:46 | jcamins | 10UTC |
| 18:46 | drojf | good voting time |
| 18:46 | (for europe...) | |
| 18:46 | cait | wlel not for nz |
| 18:46 | bit late | |
| 18:47 | drojf | we could do 2 times for vote meetings |
| 18:47 | cait | I think we better send them coffee if the altenrative is 2 meetings :) |
| 18:47 | drojf | if there are people to chaitr, and people to sort out people taking part in both |
| 18:47 | JDatTeTakere | It's 11pm NZ time - not too bad. |
| 18:47 | cait | #agreed next meeting: April 3rd, 10UTC |
| 18:47 | jcamins | drojf: I don't think that's necessary. People can note their votes on the wiki, if anyone wants to vote against the anticipated majority. |
| 18:47 | cait | hope I got that right? |
| 18:47 | jcamins | You did. |
| 18:47 | cait | well consider this meeting ended :) |
| 18:47 | thd | drojf: Would that mean voting twice or once across two meetings? |
| 18:47 | * jcamins | seconds the movement to end the meeting. :) |
| 18:47 | cait | #endmeeting |
| 18:47 | Topic for #koha is now Welcome to #koha this channel is for discussion of the Koha project and software http://koha-community.org. Next general IRC meeting 13 March 2013 at 18:00 UTC | |
| 18:47 | huginn | Meeting ended Wed Mar 13 18:47:59 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) |
| 18:47 | Minutes: http://meetings.koha-community[…]-03-13-17.59.html | |
| 18:47 | Minutes (text): http://meetings.koha-community[…]3-03-13-17.59.txt | |
| 18:47 | Log: http://meetings.koha-community[…]13-17.59.log.html | |
| 18:48 | drojf | jcamins: good point |
| 18:48 | cait | hm 48 without votes... |
| 18:48 | :P | |
| 18:48 | drojf | thd: the latter i thought |
| 18:48 | davidnind | cait++ for chairing O:-) |
| 18:48 | gmcharlt | cait++ |
| 18:48 | cjh | cait++ |
| 18:48 | drojf | cait++ |
| 18:48 | jcamins | cait++ |
| 18:48 | Topic for #koha is now Welcome to #koha this channel is for discussion of the Koha project and software http://koha-community.org. Next general IRC meeting 3 April 2013 at 10:00 UTC | |
| 18:48 | * cait | hides |
| 18:49 | indranil | cait++ |
| 18:49 | slef | cait: you ready with the #startvote for next meeting? ;-) |
| 18:49 | cait | oh |
| 18:49 | not yet | |
| 18:49 | I forgot bout it really - are there docs for it somewhere? | |
| 18:49 | slef | cait: syntax is #startvote Question? A, B, C |
| 18:50 | cait: then people go "#vote A" or whatever | |
| 18:50 | cait | mybe tell me that again before the meeting? |
| 18:50 | slef | cait: then you go #endvote |
| 18:50 | gmcharlt | cait: http://ci.openstack.org/meetbot.html#voting |
| 18:50 | slef | cait: I'll try ;) |
| 18:50 | cait | bit talked and tired out tonight - 3 days of library conf |
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| 18:51 | thd | cait++ of course, however, I have checked the logs and we are following the vote over GPL 3+ but all within one meeting. |
| 18:52 | cait | yes, I think we changed plans back nd forth during the meting bit |
| 18:52 | but there was a bug and i think something on the maling list too | |
| 18:52 | slef | coding guidelines? |
| 18:52 | wahanui | coding guidelines are http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]Coding_Guidelines |
| 18:52 | cait | it would not make much sense to question it now in my opinion |
| 18:52 | thd | cait: Yes, my problem was that I lost my connection at least once during the meeting. |
| 18:52 | jcamins | The vote to upgrade to GPLv3+ did not have to be unanimous, and there were plenty of opportunities for people to object, so Koha master/3.12+ is licensed GPLv3+. Period. |
| 18:52 | thd | 18:45:42 <thd> Am I reconnected? |
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| 18:53 | slef | also, are there any javascript gurus around? |
| 18:53 | jcamins: is it not GPLv3+ period, but rather GPLv3+ with the two exceptions? | |
| 18:53 | drojf | jcamins: with that kind of attitude you will make a great pope! looking forward to that |
| 18:53 | btw you should get to rome now | |
| 18:53 | jcamins | slef: right, not "GPLv3+ period," but "the license is changed, period." |
| 18:54 | slef | hrm |
| 18:54 | thd | jcamins: I am not objecting. I was never an objector. I was merely concerned about the propriety of the process when their had been a controversy on the mailing list at one point. |
| 18:55 | slef | shoudl we be encouraging <li style="display:none;"> rather than the CSS, or is that acceptable because it affects all themes, or should there at least be an id attribute? Coding guidelines seem silent about this |
| 18:55 | oleonard | What is the context slef? |
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| 18:55 | slef | oleonard: fields being hidden in admin so that they can still be shown with jquery if anyone is using them |
| 18:55 | thd | jcamins: I have always been a strong proponent of GPL 3+ and AGPL 3+, however, I merely wanted to give every opportunity to those who would object. |
| 18:55 | slef | (or presumably with CSS) |
| 18:56 | datadoctor | display:none is standard css, locally applied |
| 18:57 | slef are you talking about where the css is defined, locally or globally? | |
| 18:57 | oleonard | slef: Usually I would say that jQuery should be used to hide those fields on page load, meaning no in-page CSS hiding them. |
| 18:57 | datadoctor | makes sense |
| 18:57 | JDatTeTakere | Question about the meeting. Is magnus the person I need to speak to about "Crowdfunding for big, boring improvements?" before the next meeting? |
| 18:57 | slef | datadoctor: I'm wondering if it's OK to use the style attribute. |
| 18:57 | libsysguy | inline_css-- |
| 18:58 | slef | oleonard: why not CSS? |
| 18:59 | drojf | i thought opac has to work without js. wouldn't css make more sense then? |
| 18:59 | oleonard | slef: It's a general guideline which applies more to situations where JavaScript isn't necessarily required (which it is in the staff client) so the rule isn't hard and fast |
| 18:59 | slef | drojf: to be fair, it's in the staff client. bug 4266 |
| 18:59 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4266 major, P5 - low, ---, mathieu.saby, Needs Signoff , encumbrance and expenditure not used in code |
| 19:00 | cait | JDatTeTakere: magnuse was suggesting it - I am not sure he has a project in mind |
| 19:00 | thd | gmcharlt: Have you experimented with BibFrame? |
| 19:00 | gmcharlt | thd: not yet |
| 19:00 | drojf | RA: if you came for the meeting, you have missed it |
| 19:01 | tcohen | jcamins: feature removal is an enh? |
| 19:01 | jcamins | tcohen: it depends. |
| 19:01 | Removing NoZebra is a bugfix. | |
| 19:01 | JDatTeTakere | Thanks cait |
| 19:01 | tcohen | heh, ok |
| 19:01 | bye jcamins , #koha | |
| 19:01 | jcamins | In fact, I hereby upgrade it to blocker. |
| 19:02 | ... provided there's a patch supplied. :) | |
| 19:02 | thd | gmcharlt: I have raised some problems with the principle developers in person and over telephone to obtain clarification without unnecessarily mistaking intent on the bibframe list. |
| 19:02 | slef | cait, JDatTeTakere: I think magnuse, paul_p, myself, Bob and rangi all had views on this at kohacon12. nengard too. |
| 19:03 | thd | gmcharlt: I have mixed discoveries of the claim for the intention of lossless mapping of data from MARC. |
| 19:04 | JDatTeTakere | OK. I'm hoping to chat with rangi with week so I'll run it past him and jransom so that I'm able to give a response from HLT at the April meeting. |
| 19:04 | slef | JDatTeTakere: thanks, that's brilliant! |
| 19:05 | thd | gmcharlt: One reason that arbitrary XML metadata support should be especially necessary is that BibFrame might in the end need unofficial patches to actually avoid data loss from all MARC records. |
| 19:06 | drojf | https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BF[…]YAA1ugX.jpg:large |
| 19:07 | oleonard | drojf: I thought he resigned? |
| 19:07 | drojf | they all look the same |
| 19:07 | in their red shoes | |
| 19:07 | * slef | remembers bug 9322 and goes looking for the discussion |
| 19:07 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9322 major, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Needs Signoff , If multiple transfers exist (from circ/branchtransfers.pl), completing one completes them all |
| 19:08 | thd | gmcharlt: There are ideological convictions over how data ought to be structured and what the role of the Library of Congress ought to be competing with how people including cataloguers at LC envision metadata. |
| 19:09 | gmcharlt | thd: interesting points ... have you gathered them up in a blog post orthe like? |
| 19:12 | thd | gmcharlt: There are currently large areas of data loss in BibFrame over anything dependent on data sequence or orderliness which is a lot in many millions of records with everything from subdivided subject headings, multiple places of publication, sound recordings, etc.. |
| 19:15 | gmcharlt: I have not yet raised the issues on the mailing list or any blog. I had have had somewhat satisfactory answers in person from the principles but I am afraid of the answer to the question of the real test. | |
| 19:15 | jcamins | thd: once the 3.14 cycle starts you might want to send a link to the koha-devel mailing list to a blog post detailing these issues. |
| 19:15 | thd | jcamins: These are issues which actually had to be corrected in Koha in the past. |
| 19:17 | datadoctor | We may have granted the pope of the LOC too much power, much as I respect the institution. I am thinking of the DMCA exemption powers, regarding mobile device content. |
| 19:17 | Not really a Koha issue though :) | |
| 19:17 | drojf | tcohen is pope. congratulations |
| 19:17 | datadoctor | tcohen++ |
| 19:18 | time to shake the foundations! ;) | |
| 19:18 | thd | datadoctor: They are not a Koha problem unless we blindly follow LC also. |
| 19:19 | datadoctor: I have hope that they will be fixed because they are of deep concern to many inside LC. | |
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| 19:19 | datadoctor | I hear you. Cataloging is complex, we depend on the LOC a lot, how do we decide where their structure works and where it doesn't? |
| 19:21 | thd | datadoctor: You can test their model with tricky record data which are not the most common cases being examined. |
| 19:22 | datadoctor: There are python scripts on Github for testing and an online form which you can use for testing. | |
| 19:23 | datadoctor | Thank you thd! I am interested in the issue and will try to learn more about it. I will look at the github info. |
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| 19:26 | thd | datadoctor gmcharlt: Myself and others will in future be calling for a round trip MARC to BIBFRAME and back to MARC test as the only satifactory validation that conversion will be lossless. |
| 19:27 | * thd | has to make an excursion to work |
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| 20:06 | * druthb | tacklehugs sekjal |
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| 20:06 | edveal | Webinar done now time to for call to NE Harbor. |
| 20:06 | rangi | morning |
| 20:07 | oleonard | Hi rangi |
| 20:09 | jcamins | edveal: possibly you just said that in the wrong channel. |
| 20:09 | sekjal: hello! | |
| 20:09 | edveal | Yes sorry |
| 20:09 | jcamins | edveal: no problem. Tell them #koha says hi. :) |
| 20:09 | sekjal | hi, jcamins |
| 20:10 | hi, druthb! | |
| 20:10 | oleonard | hey sekjal, come to volunteer to be RM? You'll have to arm wrestle gmcharlt for it |
| 20:10 | gmcharlt | hi sekjal |
| 20:10 | jcamins | oleonard: just so long as one of them remains standing at the end. |
| 20:10 | sekjal | I totally missed the meeting, huh? I blame daylight savings, and my wife's broken foot |
| 20:10 | * wizzyrea | prefers both |
| 20:11 | gmcharlt | ah, my sympathies to your wife |
| 20:11 | wizzyrea | indeed, poor wife! |
| 20:11 | sekjal | thanks, gmcharlt. she's recovering well, but still on crutches. surgey was only last Thursday |
| 20:13 | rangi | hi sekjal |
| 20:13 | hmm am i reading this wrong is Mesfin asking Koha to relabel his items? | |
| 20:14 | sekjal | hi, rangi |
| 20:14 | jcamins | Probably not, and probably, respectively. |
| 20:15 | But I didn't see the message. | |
| 20:15 | rangi | heh |
| 20:16 | jcamins | Surely Koha comes with a built-in developer who will appear and do all the work for free? |
| 20:17 | rangi | hey i resemble that remark! |
| 20:17 | :-) | |
| 20:20 | indranil__ | lol |
| 20:20 | jcamins | rangi: I found the e-mail. |
| 20:21 | cait | hi rangi and sekjal |
| 20:21 | sekjal | hi cait! |
| 20:22 | cait | :) |
| 20:22 | rangi: I read it like that as well and chose ot to answer it righ tnow | |
| 20:23 | jcamins | I answered it. |
| 20:23 | indranil__ | jcamins, lmao over the reply |
| 20:24 | jcamins | I decided to charitably assume that Mesfin simply had never worked in a library environment and therefore didn't know the difference between an item and a bib. |
| 20:24 | I further decided that more detail than that would probably not help to clarify the matter. | |
| 20:25 | rangi | true |
| 20:25 | often that is correct | |
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| 20:41 | gmcharlt | jcamins: we always have the option of utterly horrifying catalogers and actually adding a feature to switch the call numbers stored in the item records :) |
| 20:42 | jcamins | gmcharlt: and then someone would try it and complain when it moved all their fiction to P*. |
| 20:42 | gmcharlt | note: I will never write such a feature -- at least, not without a *TON* of caveats, warning messages, and a physical red button to push |
| 20:43 | cait | lol |
| 20:43 | jcamins | Speaking of red buttons, I wrote a demo once that would only work if you turned a serial A/B switch to B. |
| 20:45 | Dyrcona | Speaking of red buttons, I just had one of mine pushed. |
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| 20:48 | cait | Dyrcona: should we seek hm coverage? |
| 20:49 | Dyrcona | ???? |
| 20:49 | rangi | whats hm coverage? |
| 20:49 | jcamins | cover |
| 20:49 | cait | oh |
| 20:49 | :) | |
| 20:49 | jcamins | cait was trying to think of the word. :) |
| 20:49 | cait | the dictionary was not clear :) |
| 20:49 | jcamins | And, better is "take cover." :) |
| 20:49 | cait | jcamins knows me well :) |
| 20:50 | * Dyrcona | is calm now. |
| 20:51 | sekjal | time to catch my bus; g'night, #koha |
| 20:51 | * jcamins | heads out to learn how to not electrocute himself while installing outlets, having learned how to not flood his downstairs neighbors' apartments last week. |
| 20:52 | wizzyrea | good luck :) |
| 20:52 | rangi | :) |
| 20:53 | cait | jcamins: very useful knowledge - have fun :) |
| 20:53 | Dyrcona | jcamins: Drop by my place, I'll show you. |
| 21:06 | rangi | did you know |
| 21:06 | pootle can now be hooked into google translate | |
| 21:06 | wizzyrea | whaaaat |
| 21:08 | rangi | yep |
| 21:08 | since 2.1 | |
| 21:08 | http://translate.sourceforge.n[…]chine_translation | |
| 21:09 | wizzyrea | ! |
| 21:12 | libsysguy | I was wondering about that |
| 21:12 | google translate is getting better | |
| 21:12 | cait | it can't replace a human translator |
| 21:12 | rangi | nope |
| 21:12 | cait | it mostly translates to english well |
| 21:13 | not the other way | |
| 21:13 | rangi | but it can certainly help people understand the english |
| 21:13 | by giving a suggestion | |
| 21:13 | cait | of course |
| 21:16 | druthb | rangi, are you suggesting that we feed it the untranslated stuff, and save the machine-gen stuff as suggested? |
| 21:16 | rangi | im suggesting we let pootle do that for us :) |
| 21:17 | Since version 2.1, Pootle has the ability to use online Machine Translation (MT) Services to give suggestions to translators. | |
| 21:17 | you basically need an api key | |
| 21:17 | druthb | easy enough. |
| 21:17 | rangi | and to edit the localsettings.py |
| 21:17 | and it should do it | |
| 21:17 | worth trying i figure | |
| 21:17 | druthb | okie. I'll add that to my to-do! |
| 21:17 | rangi | sweet |
| 21:17 | druthb | Sure! |
| 21:18 | eythian | hi |
| 21:18 | druthb | hi, eythian. :) |
| 21:19 | * wizzyrea | waves hello |
| 21:19 | druthb | wizzyrea: we got Pixel some anti-anxiety pills from the vet for the trip to Houston, and test-drove one today. He took it readily, but is high as a kite now. |
| 21:19 | wizzyrea | LOL! |
| 21:19 | druthb | He's meowing a lot, and very snuggly. |
| 21:19 | wizzyrea | i can only imagine. |
| 21:20 | druthb | but a stranger (to him) was over here earlier, and he actually came out and snuggled with her. Definitely stoned. |
| 21:20 | wizzyrea | lol. |
| 21:21 | druthb | Lindsey took he and Cap to the vet last week, with only minor drama. |
| 21:21 | wizzyrea | I have had him in the car before - he usually does all right after a short time |
| 21:21 | druthb | Pixel is in fine health, happy, good weight, and his coat is very nice, according to the vet. :) |
| 21:21 | wizzyrea | short drives = vet, long drives he's mostly ok with in my experience |
| 21:21 | hehe | |
| 21:22 | druthb | 4.65 kg; he's gained a lil weight. |
| 21:23 | wizzyrea | *nod* |
| 21:24 | druthb | I was a lil worried about him when we first adopted him; I'm not near as awesome as you are, so worried he might not settle in well. But he's fine. :) |
| 21:31 | wizzyrea | pft, he just needed a chance to get comfortable with his new people :) |
| 21:33 | druthb | yep. He *loves* snuggling up to me when I'm in bed reading. |
| 21:34 | cait | night all :) |
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| 21:38 | drojf | rangi: where did you find the machine translation thing? i fail to see that in the pootle changelog |
| 21:41 | rangi | http://translate.sourceforge.n[…]chine_translation |
| 21:42 | drojf | thanks! |
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| 21:43 | drojf | habemus tcohen |
| 21:43 | tcohen | that's correct drojf |
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| 21:46 | drojf | ha! you can use apertium as machine translator too. that's cool, it might show up in my thesis somehow |
| 21:46 | * drojf | is excited |
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| 21:49 | drojf | i love it when the parallel universes i spend my time in collide from time to time |
| 21:53 | samuel | hi everybody |
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| 21:57 | tcohen | has anyone used Padre |
| 21:58 | * drojf | tries hard not to make a pope joke |
| 21:58 | rangi | i tried once and got annoyed and went back to vim tcohen |
| 21:59 | tcohen | now we got a pope our higher goal is named KohaCon14 |
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| 21:59 | alohabot | Hi mib_nawbdt, Welcome to #koha. Feel free to use the '/nick yourname' command to choose a different name. alohabot, wahanui, and huginn are bots. If you need any help, just ask - there's usually someone around to help :) |
| 22:00 | rangi | tcohen: nice |
| 22:00 | tcohen: feel free to start a kohacon14 section on the wiki | |
| 22:00 | its never too early to start planning | |
| 22:01 | tcohen | rangi, have you tried eclipse+epic? |
| 22:01 | rangi | yep |
| 22:01 | tcohen | (for any Perl project) |
| 22:01 | annoyed too? | |
| 22:01 | rangi | it annoyed me too |
| 22:01 | yep | |
| 22:01 | i think if i always worked a the same machine | |
| 22:01 | i might get less annoyed | |
| 22:02 | but vim + git suits me pretty well as I am often on different machines | |
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| 22:03 | tcohen | and what do u think of Moo BTW? |
| 22:03 | http://search.cpan.org/~mstrou[…]000008/lib/Moo.pm | |
| 22:04 | mib_nawbdt | hi I need some help with leader 00900nam a2200289 i 4500 when I count chars in this marc file i have 895 why? |
| 22:05 | rangi | tcohen: i like moo and mouse |
| 22:05 | after listening to schwern i like mouse probably a bit better | |
| 22:05 | but moo is cool too | |
| 22:07 | tcohen | hmm Any::MOose |
| 22:07 | wahanui | rumour has it Any::MOose is available on Debian |
| 22:13 | tcohen | reading a bit found people that says mouse is heavier than moo, and moo claims to be straightforward to migrate to moose if decided |
| 22:14 | we might choose between one of them for the pre-plack move if moose was to be used by that time | |
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| 22:19 | bag | no dcook today eh? |
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| 22:23 | wizzyrea | not yet - he mentioned something about going back to non-koha work |
| 22:23 | yesterday | |
| 22:23 | wahanui | rumour has it yesterday is all your troubles seemed so far away |
| 22:35 | tcohen | hi wizzyrea |
| 22:40 | * libsysguy | attempts to flash ubuntu touch on his galaxy note 10.1 |
| 22:41 | libsysguy | standby |
| 22:42 | drojf | good luck |
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| 23:44 | wizzyrea | http://devopsreactions.tumblr.[…]ter-a-new-release |
| 23:45 | http://devopsreactions.tumblr.[…]ecial-corner-case | |
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