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| Time | Nick | Message |
|---|---|---|
| 00:00 | jcamins | That makes this month the third-busiest month in the last twelve. |
| 00:01 | cait | hm |
| 00:01 | closer to release date... | |
| 00:01 | makes sense probably? | |
| 00:01 | jcamins | 5th busiest month in the last two years. |
| 00:02 | Yup. | |
| 00:02 | dcook | Wow.. |
| 00:02 | I wonder what the breakdown for that is | |
| 00:02 | How many are template changes, module changes, script changes | |
| 00:03 | Nice to see lots of Owen's changes going through to make the interfaces that much nicer :D | |
| 00:03 | jcamins | I will leave that sort of statistics for someone else. |
| 00:03 | rangi | http://git.koha-community.org/[…]its_by_year/month |
| 00:03 | jcamins | Hey... I can make it 4th busiest! |
| 00:03 | dcook | hehe |
| 00:03 | jcamins | Cool! Thanks. |
| 00:04 | Odd... | |
| 00:04 | rangi | thats when the patches were authored, not when they were pushed (that one i posted) |
| 00:04 | bag | rangi usually rans stats |
| 00:04 | jcamins | Those numbers do not match up with mine... |
| 00:04 | at all. | |
| 00:04 | Oh. | |
| 00:04 | That would be why. | |
| 00:04 | bag | s/rans/runs |
| 00:04 | is feeling slow today | |
| 00:04 | wizzyrea | in the past tense even. |
| 00:05 | dcook | So 2008, 2011, 2012 have been big years |
| 00:05 | Well, actually, quite a few, but the biggest | |
| 00:05 | wizzyrea | 2009-2010 were mired in conflict and strife. |
| 00:05 | jcamins | There's a definite upward trend. |
| 00:05 | rangi | yep 2011 was when we got rid of the deadweight |
| 00:06 | end of 2010 | |
| 00:06 | wizzyrea | 2008 was 3.0 |
| 00:06 | and that was huge | |
| 00:06 | dcook | Mmm, all in the numbers, eh? |
| 00:07 | wizzyrea | 2009-10 were waiting for people to get out of the way |
| 00:07 | more or less. | |
| 00:07 | dcook | What happened between 2006-2007? |
| 00:07 | BibLibre? | |
| 00:07 | wahanui | hmmm... BibLibre is already doing something like this, so perhaps once this tool is complete, it would provide an easier method of maintaining the service you already provide |
| 00:07 | wizzyrea | people becoming interested in the idea of an open ILS |
| 00:08 | forget biblibre | |
| 00:08 | wahanui | wizzyrea: I forgot biblibre |
| 00:08 | dcook | wizzyrea: that's really exciting :) |
| 00:08 | wizzyrea | yea, french adoption I guess |
| 00:09 | trea1 joined #koha | |
| 00:09 | wizzyrea | well where's the gource video |
| 00:09 | it shows | |
| 00:09 | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tl1a2VN_pec | |
| 00:09 | 10 years of koha is at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tl1a2VN_pec | |
| 00:09 | 10 years of koha? | |
| 00:09 | wahanui | 10 years of koha is probably at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tl1a2VN_pec |
| 00:13 | wizzyrea | when did koha transition to git? |
| 00:14 | rangi | 2007 |
| 00:14 | wizzyrea | oh so that's what was happening then :) |
| 00:14 | cait | :) |
| 00:15 | rangi | that was about the one and only good thing that came out of my time at liblime |
| 00:16 | jcamins | You didn't even get any nice t-shirts? |
| 00:16 | rangi | actually i didnt! |
| 00:16 | * slef | mumbles something about suggesting git long before that |
| 00:16 | * wizzyrea | pats slef |
| 00:17 | wizzyrea | there there |
| 00:17 | git wasn't very old in 2008 though | |
| 00:17 | slef | although it wasn't my first suggestion... using arch for 2.0.n>1 wasn't a great move |
| 00:19 | wizzyrea: it was 3 years old. That's like 21 years old in human years. | |
| 00:19 | BobB joined #koha | |
| 00:19 | BobB_ joined #koha | |
| 00:19 | dcook | Mmm, so jcamins and ethyian had their first commits in 2010, eh? |
| 00:19 | Amazing work since then guys :) | |
| 00:19 | Everyone really | |
| 00:19 | jcamins | Thanks. |
| 00:19 | Oooh, have I caught up with anyone recently? | |
| 00:19 | * dcook | just finished watching the youtube video |
| 00:20 | eythian | http://www.trademe.co.nz/Brows[…]aspx?id=567299698 |
| 00:21 | jcamins | Hm... doesn't seem too likely that I'll be passing hdl. |
| 00:22 | cait | i think i fell down one |
| 00:22 | jcamins | cait: yes... that was me. :P |
| 00:22 | cait | tss |
| 00:22 | i need to get 19 more commits | |
| 00:23 | before colin does... he is in reach | |
| 00:23 | jcamins | I need to get another 350. :P |
| 00:23 | dcook | Where are those stats again? |
| 00:23 | jcamins | http://git.koha-community.org/[…]ster/authors.html |
| 00:24 | slef | http://dashboard.koha-community.org/ are the better stats to optimise |
| 00:24 | dcook | Yeah, I have the dashboard up but some stats seem to be missing |
| 00:25 | cait | I wanted to catch nicole.. but life interfered |
| 00:25 | jcamins | slef: true, but I shouldn't be showing well on any of those. |
| 00:25 | slef | dashboard source? |
| 00:25 | anyone know where? | |
| 00:25 | rangi | in gitorious |
| 00:25 | dcook | Nearly 13 million lines of code, rangi? |
| 00:25 | rangi | dcook: po files |
| 00:25 | wahanui | po files are outdated |
| 00:25 | dcook | Mmm |
| 00:26 | slef | jcamins: shouldn't your name show up on "New features recently pushed" somehow? ;-) |
| 00:26 | or there should be a last N pushes or something | |
| 00:26 | rangi | https://gitorious.org/koha-dashboard |
| 00:26 | i havent pushed to there in a little while so its out of date | |
| 00:26 | slef | dashboard source is https://gitorious.org/koha-dashboard |
| 00:27 | jcamins | slef: since only one person is ever pushing things at a time, it doesn't really seem necessary. |
| 00:27 | slef | rangi-- |
| 00:27 | wizzyrea | ! |
| 00:27 | slef | jcamins: well, can we judge you on the datestamps in that column then? Give you a beer if all five are today? ;-) |
| 00:27 | rangi | its pushed to my localbackups of course .. or i could just turn the dashboard server off if you would prefer? |
| 00:28 | cait | noooooo |
| 00:28 | jcamins | slef: they won't be, because I prioritize bugfixes. |
| 00:28 | Actually, wait... | |
| 00:28 | they might be. | |
| 00:29 | slef | jcamins: hmm. "bugfixes recently pushed" would be a nice enh. |
| 00:33 | huginn | New commit(s) kohagit: Merge branch 'bug_9555' into 3.12-master <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]1314850337ab4e475> / Bug 9555: Template files contain single quote strings <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]89ea09f26cb3b11cf> / Merge branch 'bug_9669' into 3.12-master <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]itdiff;h=4f0191e1 |
| 00:33 | * dcook | will have to get on top of pushing up his number from 21 |
| 00:34 | jenkins_koha | Starting build #1062 for job Koha_master (previous build: FIXED) |
| 00:34 | jcamins | Okay... |
| 00:34 | I am confused. | |
| 00:34 | bug 9456 | |
| 00:34 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9456 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Passed QA , Add callnumber column to the cart |
| 00:34 | jcamins | Wasn't the goal improved readability? |
| 00:36 | dcook | Hmm |
| 00:36 | rangi | i think it was just being able to sort by callnumber was the original goal |
| 00:36 | jcamins | Well... it does sort by callnumber. |
| 00:37 | But now you can't tell which library which item is at. | |
| 00:37 | rangi | ahh thats less than useful |
| 00:37 | jcamins | Yeah. |
| 00:37 | dcook | jcamins: How's that? |
| 00:38 | jcamins | dcook: you end up with something that looks like Call number Branch Branch Call number Branch |
| 00:38 | dcook | Interesting |
| 00:38 | wahanui | Interesting is probably sometimes good and sometimes bad |
| 00:39 | jcamins | And it's a solid mass of text. |
| 00:39 | dcook | :S: |
| 00:39 | slef | Changes submitted for bug 8740 |
| 00:40 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8740 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, mjr, Needs Signoff , Serials Claims should be exportable all at once |
| 00:45 | dcook | Hmm. Some of these bootstrap changes look rather awful in Chrome.. |
| 00:46 | jcamins | dcook: really? |
| 00:46 | I like 'em a lot! | |
| 00:46 | dcook | Maybe it's a caching issue then.. |
| 00:46 | jcamins | I use Chrome on a Mac. |
| 00:46 | wizzyrea | oh yes definitely nuke your cache |
| 00:46 | they always look bad right at first. | |
| 00:46 | oleonard joined #koha | |
| 00:46 | wizzyrea | god it's like he knows |
| 00:46 | oleonard | I sensed a disturbance in the Force... |
| 00:47 | dcook | jcamins: Looks like it was caching :) |
| 00:47 | lol | |
| 00:47 | eythian | it was just the farce, nothing to worry about oleonard |
| 00:47 | dcook | oleonard++ |
| 00:47 | jcamins | lol |
| 00:47 | oleonard | *whew* |
| 00:47 | dcook | It was weird.. |
| 00:48 | I've seen weird caching before but this was different | |
| 00:48 | oleonard: Yes, before that moment, I've been a huge fan of the Bootstrap additions :) | |
| 00:49 | jcamins | Woohoo! I saved $0.29/lb on lentils today! |
| 00:50 | oleonard | I was just reading the logs because I didn't know where else to go to find out what to do with an extra half an avacado |
| 00:50 | dcook | lol |
| 00:50 | jcamins | oleonard: ... really? |
| 00:50 | oleonard | No, but that's what I found! :) |
| 00:50 | jcamins | Oh. |
| 00:51 | Ooh! I can use the splinter code review! | |
| 00:52 | wizzyrea | lolol |
| 00:52 | jcamins | No I can't. |
| 00:52 | How do I leave a comment? | |
| 00:53 | huginn | New commit(s) kohagit: Merge branch 'bug_3549' into 3.12-master <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]4c7d45f81b5438292> / Bug 3549 -[Revised]- Framework sorting in addbook <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]3433693717f2738dd> |
| 00:53 | rangi | double click on the line you want to comment on |
| 00:53 | jcamins | Ah! |
| 00:53 | Cool! | |
| 00:53 | Thanks. | |
| 00:53 | rangi | then go back to overview and hit publish |
| 00:53 | when you are done | |
| 00:53 | or only u can see them :) | |
| 00:54 | oleonard | How does it fit into the process? The person who submitted the patch sees that there is a review? |
| 00:57 | jcamins | Yeah, it gets e-mailed to everyone watching the bug. |
| 00:57 | rangi | everyone does (who reads the mailing list or is subscribed to the bug) |
| 00:57 | jcamins | oleonard: why are you online? |
| 00:57 | It seems a bit later than usual for you. | |
| 00:57 | oleonard | I dunno. |
| 00:58 | slef | wizzyrea++ |
| 00:59 | @quote add <oleonard> I was just reading the logs because I didn't know where else to go to find out what to do with an extra half an avacado | |
| 00:59 | huginn | slef: The operation succeeded. Quote #234 added. |
| 00:59 | slef | @quote random |
| 00:59 | huginn | slef: Quote #222: "jcamins: test patches, don't feed trolls." (added by druthb at 07:49 PM, December 07, 2012) |
| 00:59 | jcamins | Hey... what _does_ the VM Manager do? |
| 00:59 | slef | jcamins: manages viral monkeys. What did you think it does? |
| 00:59 | wizzyrea | wait what'd I do? |
| 01:00 | slef | wizzyrea: took http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9322 to lists |
| 01:00 | huginn | 04Bug 9322: major, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Needs Signoff , If multiple transfers exist (from circ/branchtransfers.pl), completing one completes them all |
| 01:01 | wizzyrea | oh yea, it needed eyes desperately |
| 01:01 | needs fixing desperately too | |
| 01:02 | (do note, it's not catalyst that has been paid to do the work that is hung up by that bug) | |
| 01:02 | i just know that larger libraries that heavily use transits get things hung up by that bug. | |
| 01:02 | and it's unpleasant at best to unravel | |
| 01:03 | jcamins | slef: to be honest, I haven't a clue. What VMs? |
| 01:03 | tcohen joined #koha | |
| 01:05 | slef | jcamins: is this about roles for 3.14? |
| 01:05 | jcamins | slef: yeah. |
| 01:05 | A potential volunteer wants to know what his duties would entail before telling the world he's interested in doing it. | |
| 01:06 | slef | I guess it's keeping the VM image up to date. |
| 01:06 | as in http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]pment_Environment | |
| 01:06 | Is it a new role? | |
| 01:07 | eythian | I think that wiki page is totally unrelated |
| 01:07 | jcamins | I think so? |
| 01:07 | slef | it was listed on http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]ki/Roles_for_3.12 but unassigned |
| 01:07 | dcook | There is an existing VM image loaded up with Koha somewhere? |
| 01:07 | I suppose the LiveDvd.. | |
| 01:08 | jcamins | Oh, I bet it's about the Virtual Appliances that Kyle used to do. |
| 01:08 | That makes sense. | |
| 01:10 | NateC joined #koha | |
| 01:11 | rangi | oh this is interesting |
| 01:11 | 10151 Galen Charlton | |
| 01:11 | galen gets blamed for the most lines in C4/ | |
| 01:11 | :) | |
| 01:11 | jcamins | lol |
| 01:12 | Actually, I'm not surprised. | |
| 01:12 | rangi | 3264 Jared Camins-Esakov |
| 01:12 | 2428 Paul Poulain + 6580 tipaul | |
| 01:13 | jcamins | Ha! Paul is responsible for more than me! |
| 01:13 | How did you do that? | |
| 01:13 | rangi | heh |
| 01:13 | its cli madness | |
| 01:13 | git ls-files C4/ | xargs -n1 -d'\n' -i git blame {} | perl -n -e '/\s\((.*?)\s[0-9]{4}/ && print "$1\n"' | sort -f | uniq -c -w3 | sort -r | |
| 01:14 | im looking in opac/ now | |
| 01:14 | fun with git ;) | |
| 01:15 | 1459 Jared Camins-Esakov in Koha/ | |
| 01:15 | you are the clear winner in there | |
| 01:15 | jcamins | That I will take credit for. :) |
| 01:15 | wizzyrea | :) |
| 01:16 | jcamins | rangi: add -n to the end of the sort. |
| 01:16 | rangi | me looks at the dreaded C4::Search |
| 01:16 | yep | |
| 01:16 | 914 Joshua Ferraro | |
| 01:18 | lars wins for xt | |
| 01:18 | bag | that seems like a phone number 914 kados |
| 01:19 | rangi | 355 Bart Jorgensen in t/ |
| 01:19 | thats pretty sweet | |
| 01:19 | jcamins | Nice! |
| 01:20 | rangi | galen wins in there tho |
| 01:20 | 7118 Galen Charlton | |
| 01:21 | ok time to stop pulling up useless stats and go get kahu from school | |
| 01:21 | wizzyrea | love that kid. |
| 01:21 | gl :) | |
| 01:21 | both bart and kahu. | |
| 01:22 | rangi | 'soren lives in newtown, he will be at the fair eh daddy? He makes me giggle' - kahu this morning |
| 01:22 | wizzyrea | hehe yea are you guys going to come? |
| 01:22 | rangi | thats the plan ill sms you |
| 01:22 | wizzyrea | "he makes me giggle" that's high praise. |
| 01:22 | cool | |
| 01:23 | oleonard | Speaking of kids, mine are out of the bath, gotta go |
| 01:23 | wizzyrea | later |
| 01:23 | oleonard | See y'all in 12 hours :) |
| 01:37 | maximep left #koha | |
| 01:39 | dcook | Oohhh...Amazon covers are even more insidious than I thought.. |
| 01:41 | wizzyrea | oh do tell |
| 01:42 | jenkins_koha | Project Koha_master build #1062: SUCCESS in 1 hr 8 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]Koha_master/1062/ |
| 01:42 | * Owen Leonard: Bug 9663 - Individual bibliographic record "Save" option requires export permission | |
| 01:42 | * Tomas Cohen Arazi: Bug 5333 - z3950 normalization should apply only on UNIMARC | |
| 01:42 | * Owen Leonard: Bug 9669 - Replace YUI buttons on staff client cart toolbar | |
| 01:42 | * Jonathan Druart: Bug 9555: Template files contain single quote strings | |
| 01:42 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9663 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Individual bibliographic record "Save" option requires export permission |
| 01:42 | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5333 normal, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Pushed to Master , Undefined value stops import from z39.50 | |
| 01:42 | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9669 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Replace YUI buttons on staff client cart toolbar | |
| 01:42 | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9555 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , Template files contain single quote strings | |
| 01:43 | jenkins_koha | Starting build #1063 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS) |
| 01:45 | dcook | wizzyrea: I'm trying to fetch an image from Amazon with a valid ISBN but the Amazon URL doesn't show anything... |
| 01:45 | I'm just about to look at the Amazoncover.js | |
| 01:46 | But it looks like it removes every image element when it has an error and spits out its own "No cover available" | |
| 01:46 | In this case, there is a local image elment that should not be erased but it's getting sucked up in the mess | |
| 01:50 | bug 9737 | |
| 01:50 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9737 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , Local Covers sometimes appear then disappear on OPAC Search Results/Lists |
| 01:51 | wizzyrea | oh cascading covers has never worked well. |
| 01:52 | woot! | |
| 01:52 | dcook | :) |
| 01:53 | As for the covers, let's see what I can drum up in the next few minutes.. | |
| 01:58 | eythian | wahanui: what is the saddest thing? |
| 01:58 | wahanui | the saddest thing is probably http://ur1.ca/9x67k |
| 02:01 | eythian | wahanui: the saddest thing is also http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F[…]orecasts_edit.png |
| 02:01 | wahanui | okay, eythian. |
| 02:03 | eythian | wahanui: the saddest thing is also http://i39.tinypic.com/14jz15f.jpg |
| 02:03 | wahanui | okay, eythian. |
| 02:04 | eythian | wahanui: the saddest thing is also http://ur1.ca/cxl9a |
| 02:04 | wahanui | okay, eythian. |
| 02:04 | jcamins | eythian: why are we sad about Itanium? |
| 02:05 | eythian | the forecasts are the saddest thing |
| 02:06 | wizzyrea | sounds like the ghostly howls of a drowned tuba player. |
| 02:12 | eythian | wahanui: the most dangerous game |
| 02:12 | wahanui | eythian: what? |
| 02:12 | eythian | wahanui: the most dangerous game is http://www.smbc-comics.com/?id=1488 |
| 02:12 | wahanui | OK, eythian. |
| 02:17 | dcook | :D |
| 02:17 | wizzyrea | lol. |
| 02:17 | * dcook | thinks he has a workable solution |
| 02:18 | eythian | tennis with lit dynamite whilst riding bears. |
| 02:18 | it's always a solution. | |
| 02:20 | * dcook | is having way too much fun imagining such a scenario |
| 02:21 | dcook | In this case, the amazon image just needs to be wrapped in a span... |
| 02:23 | eythian | http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/ap130227.html |
| 02:24 | dcook | http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/ap121023.html |
| 02:24 | That's from 50 km north of my hometown :) | |
| 02:32 | wizzyrea | O NOES |
| 02:32 | dcook | :p |
| 02:32 | IN ANY CASE, cool clouds all around | |
| 02:35 | jcamins | You know what I dislike? |
| 02:35 | dcook | What's that? |
| 02:35 | wahanui | that is in march? |
| 02:35 | jcamins | Binary logical not. |
| 02:36 | Not should be a unary operator. | |
| 02:37 | eythian | it is, isn't it? |
| 02:37 | jcamins | Unless you are using PQF, yes. |
| 02:38 | eythian | I see... |
| 02:38 | jcamins | If you're using PQF, it's mostly just nuts. |
| 02:38 | eythian | well, really a binary operator should be binary, not unary ;) |
| 02:39 | jcamins | Right, but I maintain that it should not be binary at all. |
| 02:39 | eythian | maybe there's a separate unary not operator. |
| 02:39 | jcamins | Nope. PQF is just mean like that. |
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| 02:50 | jenkins_koha | Project Koha_master build #1063: SUCCESS in 1 hr 7 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]Koha_master/1063/ |
| 02:50 | Bernardo Gonzalez Kriegel: Bug 3549 -[Revised]- Framework sorting in addbook | |
| 02:50 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3549 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Pushed to Master , Framework sorting in addbook |
| 02:51 | jcamins | dcook++ |
| 02:51 | jenkins_koha | Starting build #1064 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS) |
| 02:52 | dcook | ? |
| 02:52 | jcamins | That bug has been reported a lot, but I've never been able to duplicate it because I use special Javascript on sites that have both local cover images and Amazon cover images. |
| 02:52 | dcook | Mmm |
| 02:52 | My patch is actually incomplete. Fixing up a complete one at the moment | |
| 02:53 | Using special javascript would probably be a better idea, but...this fixes the immediate problem | |
| 02:54 | jcamins | No, the Javascript is for something else entirely. |
| 02:54 | It just so happens that as a side effect it prevents the bug showing up. | |
| 02:56 | rangi: do you backport all the Plack fixes to 3.10/3.8? | |
| 02:57 | dcook | Mmm, interesting |
| 02:57 | eythian | koha packages from master being deployed, based on the new signing keys. |
| 02:58 | dcook | I assume that JS is the one that I noticed on your dev instance? Seems useful. |
| 02:58 | jcamins | eythian++ |
| 02:59 | Yeah, but it's not really generally usable at this point. | |
| 03:02 | trea left #koha | |
| 03:05 | dcook | Hmm, maybe I'm referring to something different. I just meant that expandable bar you had on the right with all the added info |
| 03:05 | In any case, I'll be happy to put this cover image bug to bed | |
| 03:05 | ...so to speak | |
| 03:05 | Are bed bugs still a hot issue in the US? | |
| 03:06 | jcamins | Yup. |
| 03:06 | In the city, anyway. | |
| 03:07 | dcook | :( |
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| 03:09 | trea left #koha | |
| 03:26 | libsysguy | install all the dependencies from cpan |
| 03:26 | jcamins | That will fix bed bugs? |
| 03:26 | libsysguy | sadly no |
| 03:27 | but it will fix insomnia | |
| 03:27 | jcamins | Alas. |
| 03:27 | libsysguy | :p |
| 03:27 | jcamins | lol |
| 03:28 | libsysguy | I think I can see light at the end of my force install tunnel |
| 03:28 | jcamins | Heh. |
| 03:29 | libsysguy | I am into modules without deps |
| 03:29 | lol | |
| 03:29 | so if you wanna be my dependency, you gotta be dependencies for my friends | |
| 03:29 | * libsysguy | has been at this too long |
| 03:33 | libsysguy | and the grand total size for the perl deps for my catalyst app |
| 03:33 | 78M | |
| 03:33 | total catalyst app size 1.9M | |
| 03:58 | jenkins_koha | Project Koha_master build #1064: SUCCESS in 1 hr 8 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]Koha_master/1064/ |
| 04:04 | jcamins | Something of an argument in favor of any other framework, I think. |
| 04:04 | * jcamins | heads to bed. |
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| 05:17 | dcook | OMGWTFBBQ! |
| 05:17 | Integrate ElasticSearch as a search engine | |
| 05:17 | rangi | 20 points if you do it |
| 05:18 | (it's actually not so bad with jcamins search rewrite) | |
| 05:19 | dcook | I thought ElasticSearch only worked with JSON |
| 05:19 | * dcook | has been meaning to play with it for...a little over a year |
| 05:21 | rangi | the main advantage is it is schema less |
| 05:21 | you pass the schema with the data you want to index | |
| 05:22 | with elastic search you could make the opac do discovery .. in an actual useful fashion | |
| 05:26 | not being a librarian, im all about making the opac useful, if i never to try to improve staff workflows again ill be happy | |
| 05:26 | never have to even | |
| 05:26 | dcook | hehe |
| 05:27 | rangi | i should pitch my talk idea to ALA |
| 05:27 | dcook | Throughout library school, I always thought about things from the perspective of the end user (as I really enjoyed the Vancouver Public Library) |
| 05:28 | But now I have noticed more of a focus on the staff end, since clients are librarians. Interesting.. | |
| 05:29 | So with ElasticSearch...you pass it the MARCXML and the MARCXML schema, then it indexes everything and outputs it as JSON? | |
| 05:30 | rangi | pretty much |
| 05:30 | and then you throw it some dublin core | |
| 05:30 | and some whatever else | |
| 05:31 | dcook | So that it's outputting meaningful standard-based metadata? |
| 05:33 | I still wonder a bit about the concept of discovery though | |
| 05:33 | What do people want to know? | |
| 05:34 | I was intrigued by VPL's use of Bibliocommons, but I've usually used the opac for targetted searches rather than discovery.. | |
| 05:34 | * dcook | tends to trawl bookstores and comic shops for that |
| 05:34 | dcook | I suppose those are two slightly different ideas about discovery though |
| 05:41 | rangi | yeah |
| 05:41 | what the discovery interfaces seem to do | |
| 05:42 | is try to do some (not federated .. that would be sensible) kinda union search | |
| 05:42 | over the catalogue and databases | |
| 05:43 | dcook | Mmm |
| 05:43 | They seem to also pick out a lot more of the fixed field data than traditional OPACs | |
| 05:43 | So they give more options for language, audience, media type, etc | |
| 05:44 | Some of the things that RDA is irrelevantly expanding into other fields.. | |
| 05:44 | They seemingly do facets well | |
| 05:44 | Cataloguers seem to hate them though. | |
| 05:48 | I suppose that goes back to what you were saying before mentioning the talk :p | |
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| 05:51 | rangi | :) |
| 05:58 | dcook | In other news, it looks like I'm going to Reno :). Have to look at flights and what leave I want to take before/after, but yay! |
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| 06:01 | rangi | sweet! |
| 06:02 | dcook | :D |
| 06:03 | Thinking about giving some sort of presentation, but not really sure on what yet. Maybe something for librarians/other newbies. | |
| 06:03 | * Oak | waves |
| 06:04 | dcook | hi Oak :) |
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| 06:08 | dcook | Morning, cait :) |
| 06:10 | cait | goodmornig |
| 06:26 | * dcook | heads off toward the weekend |
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| 06:41 | * magnuse | waves |
| 06:42 | magnuse | Oak |
| 06:48 | wow, 235 signoffs in february! | |
| 06:49 | * cait | waves |
| 06:55 | Oak | magnuse |
| 06:56 | hello cait | |
| 06:56 | cait | hi Oak :) |
| 06:56 | Oak | :) |
| 06:56 | magnuse | hiya Oak and cait |
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| 07:44 | reiveune | hello |
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| 08:29 | gaetan_B | hello |
| 08:29 | christophe_c | hello all |
| 08:37 | magnuse | bonjour france |
| 08:38 | another french university chooses koha? cool! | |
| 08:46 | christophe_c | hello magnuse |
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| 08:55 | magnuse | bonjour christophe_c |
| 08:56 | cait | hi christophe_c and magnuse |
| 08:56 | :) | |
| 08:56 | christophe_c | hi cait |
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| 09:01 | samuel | hi everybody :-) |
| 09:01 | magnuse | hi samuel |
| 09:02 | hm, why is one of my instances sending DUE messages that lack title and author? ODUE messages have them and other instances running off the same package install has them... | |
| 09:02 | koha 3.8 btw | |
| 09:03 | cait | checked your notice templates? |
| 09:03 | magnuse | yeah, as far as i can tell they are identical between the instance that works and the one that does not |
| 09:04 | cait | hm |
| 09:05 | and they never worked? | |
| 09:07 | magnuse | nope |
| 09:07 | well, i just enabled them | |
| 09:08 | cait | hmm |
| 09:08 | can you share your notice tempateß | |
| 09:08 | for due? | |
| 09:08 | magnuse | sure |
| 09:08 | one moment | |
| 09:08 | cait | also did you use the itemscontent parameter on the cronjob? |
| 09:10 | magnuse | um, not sure |
| 09:10 | but i think the packages run the same script with the same params for all instances | |
| 09:10 | cait | hm yeah would make sense |
| 09:10 | oh | |
| 09:10 | magnuse | http://paste.koha-community.or[…]community.org/413 |
| 09:10 | http://paste.koha-community.org/413 | |
| 09:10 | cait | is it a library specific template each time? or all libraries? |
| 09:10 | magnuse | no library specific templates |
| 09:11 | * cait | ponders |
| 09:11 | cait | that is DUE not the DGST |
| 09:11 | I am not using those.... too annoying to get so many emails :) | |
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| 09:14 | magnuse | yeah, it's DUE |
| 09:14 | drojf | good morning #koha |
| 09:14 | cait | magnuse: running out of ideas :( |
| 09:15 | did you check the title in question is correct? | |
| 09:16 | @wunder Dortmund | |
| 09:16 | huginn | cait: The current temperature in Dortmund, Germany is 2.0°C (9:50 AM CET on March 01, 2013). Conditions: Light Drizzle. Humidity: 100%. Dew Point: 2.0°C. Windchill: -1.0°C. Pressure: 30.27 in 1025 hPa (Steady). |
| 09:16 | cait | @wunder Konstanz |
| 09:16 | huginn | cait: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is 1.0°C (10:00 AM CET on March 01, 2013). Conditions: Mist. Humidity: 78%. Dew Point: -1.0°C. Pressure: 30.22 in 1023 hPa (Rising). |
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| 09:53 | magnuse | hm, maybe i found the problem with the DUE messages? they were set up to be sent as the first message in the "Overdue notice/status triggers" settings |
| 09:54 | on the instance that works, only ODUE messages are set there | |
| 09:55 | and "Advance notice" is ticked off in the enhanced messaging section for the relevant patron category | |
| 09:55 | i'll reproduce that setup and see if it changes anything | |
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| 10:26 | cait1 | @wunder st. georgen |
| 10:26 | huginn | cait1: Error: No such location could be found. |
| 10:27 | cait1 | yeah, probably too small :) |
| 10:47 | magnuse | cait1: on a train? |
| 10:48 | cait1 | heh how did you know? ;) |
| 10:55 | magnuse | male intuition:-) |
| 11:31 | @karma indexdata | |
| 11:31 | huginn | magnuse: indexdata has neutral karma. |
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| 11:51 | magnuse | how is anyone supposed to know what the usmarc.mar file does when the documentation is limited to one small, vague paragraph? https://www.indexdata.com/zebr[…]tml#grs-mar-files |
| 11:52 | "This file provides rules for representing a record in the ISO2709 format. The rules pertain mostly to the values of the constant-length header of the record." | |
| 11:53 | mostly?!? and how are the rules defined? | |
| 11:53 | indexdata-- | |
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| 12:20 | magnuse | is there a us holiday today or something? |
| 12:20 | jcamins | Not that I know of. |
| 12:20 | Why? | |
| 12:21 | magnuse | i was just expecting us people to start showing up around now |
| 12:21 | s/us/US/ | |
| 12:21 | jcamins | It's a bit early still. |
| 12:21 | 7:20. | |
| 12:22 | magnuse | ah, ok |
| 12:22 | don't know why i am impatient then :-) | |
| 12:22 | oh, it's https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Pig_Day in the US | |
| 12:24 | jcamins | Huh. Who knew? |
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| 12:25 | magnuse | wikiedia knew :-) |
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| 12:31 | * magnuse | imagines cait zooming in and out of tunnels in the german countryside |
| 12:31 | cait | ah :) |
| 12:32 | yeah lots of tunnels on that part of the trip - but past that now :) | |
| 12:32 | more urban area now so I hope internet will be a bit more stable | |
| 12:32 | magnuse | yay |
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| 13:31 | oleonard | Hi #koha |
| 13:32 | slef | Changes submitted for bug 7167 |
| 13:32 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7167 blocker, P1 - high, ---, jonathan.druart, Signed Off , updatedatabase improvements |
| 13:32 | slef | upgraded it to blocker because it blocks a blocker |
| 13:32 | IYSWIM | |
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| 13:33 | Herwig | Hey koha i'm moving a koha database to a test server now i wanna rebuild zebra with sudo koha-rebuild-zebra -v -f library ... is the word library the database name ? |
| 13:34 | nengard | slef what is IYSWIM ? |
| 13:35 | oleonard | IYSWIM? |
| 13:35 | * oleonard | guesses "If you see what I mean?" |
| 13:36 | slef | oleonard++ |
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| 13:37 | magnuse | Herwig: library is the name of the instance |
| 13:37 | oleonard | wahanui: IYSWIM is "If you see what I mean" |
| 13:37 | wahanui | oleonard: i don't know |
| 13:38 | magnuse | Herwig: the actual database "inside" mysql will be koha_library or library_koha, i never remember which |
| 13:38 | Herwig | i have koha_koha-oe |
| 13:39 | magnuse | Herwig: then you have created an instance called koha-oe? |
| 13:39 | Herwig | i get sudo: unknown user: koha_koha-oe-koha |
| 13:40 | magnuse | Herwig: what was the command you gave? |
| 13:40 | Herwig | koha-rebuild-zebra -v -f koha_koha-oe |
| 13:45 | magnuse | ah try: |
| 13:45 | koha-rebuild-zebra -v -f koha-oe | |
| 13:46 | Herwig | works |
| 13:46 | magnuse | if you do koha-list you can see the instances you have |
| 13:46 | the names that koha-list give are the ones you should use in commands | |
| 13:46 | Herwig | i try afther indexing |
| 13:47 | 50000 record just a sec ;) | |
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| 13:53 | slef | Could we downgrade Bug 9326, then? I don't think 9326 should block release. Also, it appears unnecessarily high in the needs-signoff list and ahead of this bug which it depends upon. |
| 13:53 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9326 blocker, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Needs Signoff , New database update system suggests running duplicate updates |
| 13:54 | Herwig | magnuse ++++++ |
| 13:54 | :) | |
| 13:55 | i learn new things everytime i come here :) | |
| 13:55 | magnuse | :-) |
| 13:55 | me too! :-) | |
| 13:55 | Herwig | lol |
| 13:57 | jcamins | slef: by all means. |
| 13:58 | I hadn't noticed the weird ordering before. | |
| 14:01 | slef | Changes submitted for bug 9326 |
| 14:01 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9326 new feature, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Needs Signoff , New database update system suggests running duplicate updates |
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| 14:07 | cait1 | @quote random |
| 14:07 | huginn | cait1: Quote #12: "<owen> Every time you check in a book a little video loads and Nancy Pearl recites her capsule review of it." (added by gmcharlt at 06:36 PM, July 06, 2009) |
| 14:08 | * jcamins | heads into the city. |
| 14:11 | cait1 | ok... and now I missed him :) |
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| 15:07 | oleonard | jcamins around again yet? |
| 15:42 | jcamins | Just got in. |
| 15:42 | Well, actually, I've been here about twenty minutes, but I had to fix my client's LAN. | |
| 15:43 | ... you can't download an old version of Firefox for an old computer? | |
| 15:44 | oleonard | You mean you couldn't find the older version to download? |
| 15:44 | jcamins | I didn't look yet. |
| 15:44 | But the FF front page says "Your system doesn't meet the requirements for Firefox! Ha!" | |
| 15:45 | I generally expect to be told "Your system doesn't meet the requirements for the current version. Please consider $AncientVersion." | |
| 15:45 | oleonard | I seem to recall jumping through hoops to find a 3.6.x version to test on |
| 15:45 | jwagner | jcamins, yes, there are sites for old versions. See http://www.oldversion.com/wind[…]/mozilla-firefox/ for one |
| 15:46 | also https://support.mozilla.org/en[…]ersion-of-firefox | |
| 15:46 | jcamins | Ah-ha! |
| 15:46 | Thanks! | |
| 15:47 | For the record, I still maintain it is poor user experience to not direct the user to 3.6.28 right away. | |
| 15:48 | oleonard | I assume it's because they don't fix security problems in older versions? |
| 15:48 | jcamins | Well, sure, but people aren't going to go out and buy a new computer just to run Firefox. |
| 15:49 | oleonard | Heh, in the options for "Firefox no longer works with some versions of Windows XP," they suggest "Download Opera" |
| 15:49 | slef | Mozilla seem to be losing the plot more and more |
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| 15:50 | slef | I saw someone complaining that Mozilla were refusing to implement new standards until one of ( Opera, Microsoft, Google ) did, but I've not checked that. |
| 15:51 | rambutan | I have the vague, uncomfortable feeling the FF is becoming more MS-centric. Maybe just me, however, and that's not the case. |
| 15:51 | s/the/that | |
| 15:51 | jwagner | FF used to be a nice slim functional browser. The last several versions it's gotten more and more bloated, and changes functionality for no good reason. |
| 15:53 | rambutan | That was certainly the case with the old Mozilla suite, but after FF kinda went out on it's own it was better for a while, but now its got feature creep again. |
| 15:53 | jcamins | Anyway, what can I do for you, oleonard? |
| 15:54 | oleonard | jcamins: I have a revised patch for Bug 9445. Can I set it back to needs signoff or would you rather it get a new signoff? |
| 15:54 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9445 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, ASSIGNED , Use DataTables in local use system preferences editor |
| 15:54 | jcamins | I don't suppose Opera runs on OS X 10.4.11... |
| 15:55 | You can set it to Passed QA. | |
| 15:55 | oleonard | Thanks |
| 15:56 | It's easy to say that FF has feature creep, but what are the features in the creep? It doesn't seem like it's got new bells and whistles | |
| 15:58 | * jcamins | will let you know how Koha works in FF 3.6.28. |
| 16:00 | oleonard | although I have to say I haven't been much interested in looking at FF's new developer tools, being accustomed to Firebug |
| 16:02 | I tested the new Bootstrap stuff in 3.6.28 | |
| 16:02 | rambutan | Features: (1) sync w/ mobile devices (2) password manager (3) pop-up blocker (4) form auto-complete (5) Location-Aware Browsing |
| 16:02 | Not saying these aren't good features, just that FF has been adding stuff. | |
| 16:03 | oleonard | The only thing on that list that's new is 1) and 5) |
| 16:03 | rambutan | I still prefer Konqueror when I want split screens, that's immensely cool to me |
| 16:03 | Joubu | good bye #koha, have a good week-end! |
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| 16:04 | oleonard | Bye Joubu |
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| 16:06 | reiveune | bye |
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| 16:06 | slef | running patches2bugs mailer |
| 16:08 | Mailing bug 8252 and bug 8620 | |
| 16:08 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8252 critical, P5 - low, ---, mathieu.saby, Needs Signoff , Error in DOM biblio for UNIMARC (no range for fields 1xx) |
| 16:08 | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8620 major, P5 - low, ---, martin.renvoize, Needs Signoff , Barcode searching not working correctly | |
| 16:09 | slef | I remember looking at both of those. 8252 I did not test because I have no UNIMARC sites and 8620 I wondered if it should fix UNIMARC as well as MARC21 |
| 16:09 | coding guidelines? | |
| 16:09 | wahanui | coding guidelines are http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]Coding_Guidelines |
| 16:09 | slef | well they don't mention MARC formats at all |
| 16:09 | opinions? | |
| 16:11 | jcamins | Yes... I thought I already failed that patch. |
| 16:11 | It regenerates koha-biblio-indexdefs.xml. | |
| 16:11 | Or biblio-koha-indexefs | |
| 16:11 | Or whatever it's called. | |
| 16:12 | Oh, I thought you asked for "thoughts." | |
| 16:13 | slef | huh? |
| 16:13 | I did | |
| 16:14 | I'm currently working on something else, then may return to that | |
| 16:15 | jcamins | You asked for "opinions," which that wasn't really. |
| 16:15 | slef | heh, true, but close enough! |
| 16:15 | jcamins | But oh well. |
| 16:16 | slef | any thoughts on the MARC21/UNIMARC aspect? |
| 16:17 | wow, chocolate that you can buy with bitcoin | |
| 16:17 | jcamins | slef: a friend of mine bought cookies from me for BTC. |
| 16:18 | And... I don't know how I feel about the MARC21/UNIMARC issue. Are we sure there's a problem in UNIMARC? | |
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| 16:21 | slef | cait: do you use MARC21 or UNIMARC? |
| 16:22 | jcamins | MARC21. |
| 16:22 | slef | jcamins: then no :) |
| 16:22 | cait: only the assignee's comment | |
| 16:22 | grr | |
| 16:22 | jcamins: only the assignee's comment | |
| 16:22 | jcamins | Right. |
| 16:22 | And I question the fix anyway, since it doesn't address whatever the actual issue is. | |
| 16:23 | cait | why would i use unimarc? :) |
| 16:23 | you asked me htat before :) germany has adopted marc21 and was using a german data format mab/mab2 before | |
| 16:23 | ok, intenet at the hotel is not better than on the train | |
| 16:24 | slef | jcamins: etc/zebradb/marc_defs/marc21/biblios/biblio-koha-indexdefs.xml is patched. I don't see it being regenerated, although some of the patching is intriguing. |
| 16:24 | jcamins | slef: it's regenerated. See the comments? |
| 16:24 | And we have to conclude that the problem is not a missing "any" for barcode, since keyword searching is working in most other fields, right? | |
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| 16:25 | slef | jcamins: yeah, those comment changes are the intriguing bit, but I don't know if it's just updates to reflect record.abs |
| 16:25 | jcamins | Nope. It's the result of regenerating biblio-koha-indexdefs.xml. |
| 16:25 | * slef | goes to reread bug |
| 16:25 | slef | jcamins: I guess I just don't understand this enough to review it :-/ |
| 16:26 | jcamins | He doesn't say that explicitly. |
| 16:26 | slef | comment 4, right? |
| 16:27 | jcamins | Oh, yes, he does say it explicitly. |
| 16:27 | I'll fail it tonight, I guess. | |
| 16:27 | slef | ok, I'll stop failing to fail it for now then :) |
| 16:28 | jcamins | Sounds good. |
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| 16:28 | slef | cait1: hello again. Your internet sucks. |
| 16:28 | cait1 | it totally does. |
| 16:29 | slef | or is this an attempt to surround us? |
| 16:29 | cait1 | and they want 4,50€/hour to use their internet... |
| 16:29 | slef | wahahwhwhat? |
| 16:29 | have you asked them what flavour crack their price-setters are on? | |
| 16:30 | cait1 | not for this internet... but to get wifi from the hotel |
| 16:30 | telecom I think | |
| 16:30 | some hotels do that... don't have their own but let telecom do it | |
| 16:30 | slef | oh right... why is your o2 failing to be stable? |
| 16:31 | cait1 | we are a bit outside of the city |
| 16:31 | I am still trying to figure it out | |
| 16:31 | and trying to tether from the phone | |
| 16:32 | slef | usb or wifi tether? I find it tends to work better than dongle, which seems a bit odd to me, but I guess the phone has its own power. |
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| 16:41 | mustard | Do none of you Really Smart people have any thoughts of replacing MySql w/ MariaDB (or, huh, MongoDB)? |
| 16:42 | jcamins | rambutan: I use MariaDB. |
| 16:42 | MongoDB is something else entirely. | |
| 16:42 | maximep | mongodb is a completly different db |
| 16:42 | rambutan | jcamins: you use mariadb for Koha now? |
| 16:42 | jcamins | Yup. |
| 16:42 | Not in production. | |
| 16:42 | maximep | jcamins: is mariadb really worth it if you dont use any of its extra features ? |
| 16:43 | jcamins | maximep: I'm striking a blow for freedom everywhere? |
| 16:43 | rambutan | I think the issue is freedom as much as features |
| 16:43 | jcamins | :P |
| 16:43 | maximep | ah |
| 16:43 | right | |
| 16:43 | jcamins | But I don't think it makes much of a difference. |
| 16:43 | There may be an issue with deleting things in MariaDB. | |
| 16:43 | But then again, there may just be an issue with deleting things under Plack. | |
| 16:43 | maximep | yeah, i think much of the perf updates are in mysql 5.6 |
| 16:43 | jcamins | It's hard to tell. |
| 16:44 | maximep | hmmm we really have to spend time trying Plack for our intranets |
| 16:44 | jcamins | It works great, except when it doesn't, which is often. |
| 16:44 | maximep | but I guess you have to update to latest 3.10 for it |
| 16:44 | ? | |
| 16:45 | jcamins | I wouldn't use it in production for the intranet. |
| 16:45 | maximep | ok |
| 16:45 | jcamins | I use Plack on master. |
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| 16:45 | cait | grr |
| 16:45 | irc logs? | |
| 16:45 | wahanui | irc logs are http://irc.koha-community.org/irclog/koha/ |
| 16:47 | maximep | so this freedom thing is not using anything that could have the word oracle in it ? |
| 16:47 | like virtualbox, mysql, etc | |
| 16:48 | cait | oh ok, none of what I said shoed up here... |
| 16:48 | yay | |
| 16:48 | maximep | I guess I just don't care that much :S |
| 16:48 | cait | at least thethering seems to work better :) |
| 16:48 | jcamins | maximep: I have no objection to VirtualBox. |
| 16:48 | Actually, I don't even have any objection to MySQL. | |
| 16:48 | Someone told me "hey, you should use MariaDB it's more free," and I said "okay, fine." | |
| 16:49 | slef | I should use MariaDB it's more free. |
| 16:49 | I need more time to test it, though. | |
| 16:49 | Same old question: What are the priorities? | |
| 16:49 | jcamins | Probably not MariaDB. |
| 16:50 | I'm testing it as a side effect of other things. | |
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| 17:04 | tcohen | hi #koha! |
| 17:04 | khall joined #koha | |
| 17:05 | oleonard | Hi tcohen |
| 17:07 | tcohen | i've just sold my car, i got my brain back |
| 17:07 | jcamins | tcohen: cool, I didn't realize that one could exchange cars for brains. |
| 17:07 | tcohen | heh, no, but the whole transaction got me too nervous |
| 17:08 | its my first time | |
| 17:08 | I see most of the places are filled for 3.14 roles | |
| 17:08 | jcamins | There's always space for you! :D |
| 17:09 | tcohen | where? cant find |
| 17:10 | cait | maybe you could help with translations? |
| 17:10 | bag | we should list everyone names on sign-off'er ;) |
| 17:10 | jcamins | Or RMaint for 3.12. |
| 17:10 | Or you could do QA. | |
| 17:10 | Or packaging. | |
| 17:11 | Or work on live CDs/DVDs. | |
| 17:11 | Or RM!!!! | |
| 17:11 | cait | ok, that seems like a good moment to leave ;) |
| 17:11 | bye all | |
| 17:11 | jcamins | Or documentation. |
| 17:11 | wahanui | documentation is at http://koha-community.org/documentation/ |
| 17:11 | cait left #koha | |
| 17:11 | jcamins | ^^ that was cait volunteering to be RM |
| 17:13 | oleonard | There's gotta be a way we can rope jcamins into being RM or an RMaint... |
| 17:13 | jcamins | oleonard: not likely, sorry. |
| 17:15 | tcohen | mmm rmaint is a lot of resposability! |
| 17:15 | jcamins | It is, but it's also kind of fun. :) |
| 17:16 | tcohen | i arrived late for 3.8.x, that would be easier as we actually use it |
| 17:16 | anyway, out for lunch :-D | |
| 17:17 | jcamins | You could switch to 3.12! :P |
| 17:22 | slef | Same old question: What are the priorities? |
| 17:22 | that and I nuked our koha-community budget :-/ | |
| 17:23 | jcamins | slef: hiring an RM would be rather dear compared to a conference, I think. |
| 17:25 | slef | jcamins: any idea how many hours you spent RMing on top of what you would have spent anyway? |
| 17:26 | jcamins | slef: I don't know, but I could probably figure it out. |
| 17:26 | slef | my last figures are what, 7 releases ago? |
| 17:26 | and that was RMaint | |
| 17:26 | jcamins: I suspect it would be useful info, help to avoid getting a lame-duck RM. | |
| 17:27 | jcamins: you seem to have kept on top of it pretty well so far, but the next 6 weeks are the tricky bit. | |
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| 17:27 | jcamins | Yeah, now is when it goes from "too much" to "aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrgggggghhhhhhh." |
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| 17:30 | jcamins | I'd say on the weeks when I don't do much, it's about 10 hours more than I would've spent if I weren't RM. |
| 17:33 | oleonard | And the project is the better for it. |
| 17:33 | jcamins++ | |
| 17:33 | slef | so 0.28 Full-Time Equivalent |
| 17:33 | jcamins | Minimum. |
| 17:33 | slef | but that's minimum |
| 17:33 | snap | |
| 17:34 | jcamins | Yup. |
| 17:34 | slef | do you log your time? |
| 17:34 | jcamins | I log my time for everything other than RM duties. |
| 17:34 | slef | might be interesting to quantify aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrgggggghhhhhhh |
| 17:34 | jcamins | Yeah. |
| 17:34 | I'll start doing that as of now, though, since it's a good point. | |
| 17:35 | slef | I can mail you a perl time-logger if you like, but you probably have your own tools. |
| 17:35 | jcamins | I use an online system so that I can tap a large red button on my phone when I start things. |
| 17:37 | slef | the perl one is hooked up to ours. I don't use it. I use emacs (surprise, huh?) except when travelling. What's yours, if it's FOSS? |
| 17:38 | jcamins | I actually paid for a subscription to Harvest. |
| 17:39 | I tried a couple of FOSS systems first, but none of them were as streamlined, and a time logger is useless if it's too much trouble to remember to use it. | |
| 17:44 | Though I've been using OpenERP for other things and liking it, so I may try and figure out a streamlined interface to its time tracking. | |
| 17:53 | slef | Yeah, we're building our FOSS system up at the moment. |
| 17:54 | We didn't get on with OpenERP or Tryton, and having more members than FTE workers means that most subscription services quickly become uneconomic for us. | |
| 17:54 | jcamins | When I decided to go with Harvest I had several projects that I billed in 6-minute increments which I switched between frequently, so I just needed something immediately. |
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| 18:26 | tcohen | oleonard, do we have a function to set the language in the cookie? |
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| 18:26 | oleonard | I don't know about that tcohen, sorry. |
| 18:27 | tcohen | i've managed to set the language using URL parameters |
| 18:27 | but didn't find a proper way to make it persistent setting the cookies | |
| 18:27 | jcamins | tcohen: take a look at how opac-changelanguage.pl does it. |
| 18:28 | Lunch time! | |
| 18:29 | rangi | C4::Templates::setlanguagecookie |
| 18:30 | Topic for #koha is now Happy Birthday Katrin | |
| 18:35 | tcohen | rangi, thanks, I saw it, but it does a redirect also, and I'm not sure how to have to cookie object at that level |
| 18:38 | jcamins | tcohen: probably you could just tell it to redirect to the page you wanted to go to in the first place? |
| 18:49 | tcohen | i'l think about it, maybe a no-redirectio version would be the best |
| 18:51 | jcamins, done | |
| 18:51 | jcamins | Yay! |
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| 19:16 | tcohen | is there something about koha design patterns on the wiki? |
| 19:17 | jcamins | Not to my knowledge. |
| 20:00 | tcohen | bye #koha, have a nice weekend every1 |
| 20:16 | oleonard | jcamins: Bug 9663 says "Pushed" but I don't think it was |
| 20:16 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9663 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Individual bibliographic record "Save" option requires export permission |
| 20:16 | jcamins | Looks pushed to me. |
| 20:18 | Yup, commit 204a35f889b917c85dd8da716c67fe87657b5b98 | |
| 20:19 | oleonard | Okay, must be a problem on my branch. Thanks for checking |
| 20:25 | I don't understand where we are with Bug 9456 | |
| 20:25 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9456 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Failed QA , Add callnumber column to the cart |
| 20:25 | jcamins | I objected to the fact that before the patch I could figure out what library an item was at, and after the patch I could not. |
| 20:26 | oleonard | My patch is passed QA, but so is a patch that undoes the changes my patch made? |
| 20:27 | jcamins | I think the follow-up was supposed to eliminate the table, which we're trying to avoid using for layout? |
| 20:27 | That was what I got out of the discussion. | |
| 20:28 | I had understood that the appearance was the same both with and without the follow-up. | |
| 20:28 | I did not check. | |
| 20:28 | If the original patch adds something useful and leaves the screen readable, I could push it. | |
| 20:29 | I did not look at the two patches separately. | |
| 20:29 | I mean, I reviewed the code for both patches, but not the result. | |
| 20:30 | Or started reviewing before I realized that I wasn't going to push it no matter what. | |
| 20:31 | oleonard | Unfortunately looking at it now I think git's auto-merge breaks the table-sorting in my patch |
| 20:32 | jcamins | Ah. |
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| 21:05 | oleonard | I've attached a rebased patch to 9456, FWIW. khall and I differ about the best way to approach it. |
| 21:06 | jcamins | I am going to go with whichever patch results in improvements we can use without causing any regressions. |
| 21:14 | oleonard | Have a good weekend #koha |
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| 21:20 | cait | aaaw |
| 21:21 | * cait | wonders who is to blame for the motd |
| 21:21 | jcamins | Happy birthday! |
| 21:21 | * jcamins | throws confetti. |
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| 21:25 | cait | hm it's too early jcamins :) |
| 21:25 | only 22:25 here :) but I appreaciate the thought :) | |
| 21:25 | jcamins | Oh. |
| 21:36 | cait | well... becasue you are not in nz |
| 21:36 | timzones are confusing | |
| 21:36 | jcamins | They are. |
| 21:37 | * cait | nods |
| 21:41 | cjh | #koha birthday party for cait \o/ |
| 21:41 | cait | lol |
| 21:41 | :) | |
| 21:42 | I decided to change the versioning with this birthday.... it will be "katrin release cookie dough icecream" maybe | |
| 21:42 | jcamins | Hehe. |
| 21:42 | I like this idea. | |
| 21:42 | cait | :D |
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| 21:46 | Jlozano | hi, all. |
| 21:46 | jcamins | Hello. |
| 21:47 | Jlozano | first time here, how goes it? |
| 21:48 | jcamins | If you're asking how #koha works, you can just ask the question that brought you here. |
| 21:48 | Jlozano | well, actually I got it running, everything is working. I was just trying to get to know some people in case I have questions. |
| 21:48 | jcamins | If you mean, how goes it in a conversational sense, I am currently cataloging a volume containing 12 different works, so I expect I'm about to be frustrated. ;) |
| 21:49 | And please feel free to ignore some of the extraneous commas in that sentence. | |
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| 21:50 | Jlozano | I got the server installed a couple of days ago, deleted the sample libraries, added some patrons... life is good. I'm not gonna push it until next week |
| 21:50 | jcamins | Excellent! |
| 21:50 | What kind of library do you have? | |
| 21:50 | cait | and which vresion did you install? :) |
| 21:51 | jcamins | That's also a good question. |
| 21:51 | Jlozano | well, we have Sirsi Dynex and I'm exploring how we can get from under that bill. |
| 21:51 | it's our university library. | |
| 21:51 | about 80K items. | |
| 21:51 | cait | oh, where are you located? :) |
| 21:51 | Jlozano | Charlotte, NC Queens University of Charlotte. |
| 21:51 | Installed v 3.8 | |
| 21:52 | tried 3.10 but wouln't install. | |
| 21:52 | cait | and I was wondering about the koha version because there is sometimes some confusion about the different versions - so best to make sure you get it right :) |
| 21:52 | Jlozano | something about pearl, blah, blah, blah. |
| 21:53 | jcamins | Really? Hm. It should install smoothly. |
| 21:53 | Jlozano | I have two instances, I have one on Amazon AWS and I bought a Linode server for the month. |
| 21:53 | rangi | did you use the packages or the tarball? |
| 21:53 | Jlozano | pkgs. |
| 21:54 | followed the "Koha in 11 mins" youtube video. | |
| 21:54 | rangi | never heard of that |
| 21:54 | jcamins | Nor have I. |
| 21:54 | Jlozano | yeah, youtube, a dude at AppState university did it. |
| 21:54 | rangi | http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]on_Debian_Squeeze |
| 21:54 | Jlozano | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dRbyePlN-QY |
| 21:55 | jcamins | I guess someone should probably watch it, confirm that it's correct. |
| 21:55 | Jlozano | It got me up and running. |
| 21:55 | cait | my internet connection si not stable enough... |
| 21:55 | * jcamins | isn't at home. |
| 21:55 | rangi | if it follows that wiki page, it will be ok |
| 21:56 | jcamins | I guess the fact that Jlozano didn't have any problems suggests that it does. |
| 21:56 | Jlozano | It does, however it does begin on how go get the server, and devian version ETC. |
| 21:56 | and shows you how you can essentially get a free server for a year on AWS Amazon. | |
| 21:57 | jcamins | Most people who try to follow a set of instructions that aren't the same as the recommended ones end up on #koha asking for help unbreaking their installation. :) |
| 21:57 | Jlozano | 750 hrs a month anyway, which is convenient, because that's how many hours there are in a month. |
| 21:57 | jcamins | Hehe. |
| 21:57 | rangi | hmm 3.10.03 installed ok just now for me .. if you get a chance to try again sometime if you could document exactly the error you get that would be good |
| 21:58 | Jlozano | yeah, when I do a production run on it, I will, right now it's just research on the system. |
| 21:58 | I haven't even tried to put in a volume. | |
| 21:58 | cait | 38 has not the same feature set as 3.10 :) |
| 21:58 | koha is moving quite fast between versions | |
| 21:59 | Jlozano | The basic error was that it didn't get past dependency check pearl not installed and nothing happened. |
| 21:59 | * jcamins | would guess it was the dependency on digest-jhash, which we removed from the dependency list since it didn't play nicely with multiarch systems. |
| 22:00 | Jlozano | how long ago? I wonder if I should try again. |
| 22:01 | What would you say it's the main reason to be on .10 v .8? | |
| 22:01 | jcamins | Um, it was removed yesterday. |
| 22:02 | cait | many people still run older versions - but maybe take a look at rlease notes sometime |
| 22:02 | jcamins | I use 3.6.x in production. |
| 22:03 | cait | yep we do that too |
| 22:03 | jcamins | We've been talking about upgrading to 3.8.x. |
| 22:03 | But I keep on getting gun-shy when it's time to pull the trigger. | |
| 22:03 | cait | but if you plan a migration it#s most often a longer timeframe I was thinking |
| 22:04 | Jlozano | well, I might be image and install 3.10 if that dependency thing is not a problem anymore. |
| 22:04 | * reimage I mean. | |
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| 22:05 | Jlozano | To be honest I just have to get my marc records in a row first tho. |
| 22:05 | jcamins | cait: true. |
| 22:05 | drojf | good evening #koha |
| 22:06 | cait: it is still an hour in our timezone, right? (topic) | |
| 22:06 | cait | yep |
| 22:06 | :) | |
| 22:06 | drojf | ok :) |
| 22:06 | cait | :) |
| 22:08 | Jlozano | Anybody ever talk to anyone from bywater? are the ever on here? |
| 22:08 | drojf | which anyone would you like? ;) |
| 22:08 | jcamins | bag: around? |
| 22:09 | cait | Jlozano: they are around quite a bit |
| 22:09 | melia: around? | |
| 22:09 | jcamins | NateC: around? |
| 22:09 | melia | yep I'm here |
| 22:09 | jcamins | ^^ there you go. Someone from ByWater. |
| 22:09 | NateC | Im hea |
| 22:09 | jcamins | ^^ and another |
| 22:09 | cait | and another one |
| 22:09 | drojf | heh |
| 22:09 | NateC | jlozano: we are always here :) |
| 22:10 | bag | hey |
| 22:10 | Jlozano | ah, nice! |
| 22:11 | jcamins | (bag = Brendan Gallagher, NateC = Nate Curulla, and melia = Melia Meggs) |
| 22:12 | NateC | jlozano: you have the two owners and the COO at your service! |
| 22:12 | Jlozano | I think I talked with someone from there but it was some time ago. |
| 22:12 | wow. | |
| 22:13 | You guys are the real deal I guess. | |
| 22:13 | NateC | heh |
| 22:13 | drojf | only important people on #koha. important people and me. |
| 22:13 | rangi | heh |
| 22:13 | drojf | i. myself. whatever. late |
| 22:14 | jcamins | drojf: "me" was okay there. "I" is considered to sound overly stuffy. |
| 22:14 | cait | lol |
| 22:14 | * cait | hands drojf cookies |
| 22:14 | cait | now exactly how you feel |
| 22:14 | drojf | cookies \o/ |
| 22:14 | cait | know |
| 22:14 | ... | |
| 22:15 | drojf | lol |
| 22:15 | jcamins | Jlozano: you'll find that the denizens of #koha include some rather impressive individuals. rangi was the original author of the first version of Koha, and cait is the Quality Assurance Manager for the project. |
| 22:16 | cait | um. |
| 22:16 | * cait | goes into hiding |
| 22:16 | rangi | and jcamins is the 3.12 release manager |
| 22:16 | Jlozano | wow, it's nice to know everyone is still involved. So many people bail on projects. |
| 22:17 | jcamins | I have a puzzle for you: who files "De Bie" under *B*? |
| 22:17 | cait | hm |
| 22:17 | jcamins | ("De Bie" being a last name) |
| 22:18 | cait | if it was afrench lastname it would be correct |
| 22:18 | Jlozano | oh, that would be me. |
| 22:18 | cait | but i have no idea what it is |
| 22:18 | jcamins | Jlozano: hehe. |
| 22:18 | cait | at least it would be in rak |
| 22:18 | Jlozano: koha is quite international too :) | |
| 22:18 | so almost always someone is here.. except for weekends | |
| 22:19 | then it's a bit more quiet and I have to talk to myself most of the time | |
| 22:19 | melia | ha! |
| 22:19 | jcamins | cait: it's possible he's German. |
| 22:19 | De Bie, that is. | |
| 22:19 | Jlozano | that's awesome! |
| 22:19 | jcamins | However, he is definitely "De Bie" not "de Bie." |
| 22:20 | Jlozano | Hey anybody know a free dewey generator? |
| 22:20 | cait | De Bie doens't look german to me, drojf? |
| 22:20 | jcamins | cait: no, not at all German. |
| 22:21 | Hence the reason I think that "de" is probably not an article that can be stuck at the end. | |
| 22:21 | (that is, he was German, the name is not) | |
| 22:21 | cait | well |
| 22:21 | it would be french | |
| 22:21 | rangi | Jlozano: i think the copyright (or is it patent) on dewey would stop that |
| 22:21 | cait | not german for the article I think |
| 22:22 | jcamins | Really? That's definitely not the way it works in AACR2. |
| 22:22 | rangi | trademark |
| 22:22 | jcamins | You go based on where people would actually look for a person. |
| 22:22 | cait | i mean de something is more a french last name than a german one |
| 22:22 | rangi | gah oclc you clowns |
| 22:22 | http://www.oclc.org/news/releases/20031124.htm | |
| 22:22 | cait | jcamins: I forgot the exact rle for that... and they changed some stuff for gnd I guess |
| 22:23 | jcamins | cait: anyway, my point is, De Bie should be filed under D with all his relatives. |
| 22:23 | (Debie) | |
| 22:24 | Jlozano: as you may have gathered, I am also a cataloger, and right now I am using my least favorite bibliography ever. | |
| 22:24 | drojf | looks dutch to me |
| 22:24 | de bie i mean | |
| 22:25 | jcamins | drojf: that may be. But if his son (brother? nephew?) is filed under "Debie," he should be too. |
| 22:25 | rangi | what does viaf say |
| 22:25 | Jlozano | jcamins: hate that stuff. |
| 22:26 | jcamins | rangi: it agrees with me. |
| 22:26 | Jlozano | ok, all, nice to meet everyone, but it's way past 5 on a friday... see you all later. |
| 22:26 | cait | Jlozano: what I wanted to say earlier - jcamins is in new york, drojf and me are from germany and rangi is nz :) |
| 22:26 | Jlozano | ahhh. internationall indeed. |
| 22:26 | jcamins | Ooh, you're right, cait. DNB does it wrong! |
| 22:26 | rangi | its 11.26 am on saturday actually |
| 22:26 | ;) | |
| 22:26 | cait | nooo |
| 22:26 | 23:26 on friday | |
| 22:27 | jcamins | I have to agree with Jlozano. |
| 22:28 | rangi | we should use more marc |
| 22:28 | wahanui | http://02varvara.files.wordpre[…]no-bear.jpg?w=800 |
| 22:28 | * rangi | giggles |
| 22:29 | jcamins | Hehe. |
| 22:29 | Jlozano | lol, well, it's past 1700 EST! gotta go! |
| 22:29 | later | |
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| 22:30 | jcamins | Heh. |
| 22:30 | Guess everyone noticed the time. | |
| 22:40 | bag | @wunder 93102 |
| 22:40 | huginn | bag: The current temperature in Westside, Santa Barbara, California is 29.2°C (2:39 PM PST on March 01, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 10%. Dew Point: -5.0°C. Pressure: 30.22 in 1023 hPa (Falling). |
| 22:40 | bag | 29!!! it's stinking hot outside |
| 22:41 | drojf | @wunder berlin, germany |
| 22:41 | huginn | drojf: The current temperature in Prenzlauer Berg, Berlin, Germany is 2.5°C (11:13 PM CET on March 01, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 63%. Dew Point: -4.0°C. Windchill: 1.0°C. Pressure: 30.21 in 1023 hPa (Steady). |
| 22:41 | drojf | it's all yours if you want it |
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| 22:43 | rangi | 29 is pretty warm for march isnt it? |
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| 22:44 | jcamins | @wunder lubbock, tx |
| 22:44 | huginn | jcamins: The current temperature in WT_Meso Lubbock 3W, Lubbock, Texas is 11.7°C (4:30 PM CST on March 01, 2013). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 22%. Dew Point: -9.0°C. Pressure: 30.25 in 1024 hPa (Rising). |
| 22:45 | bag | well not crazy - May June and July is colder for us |
| 22:45 | We have june gloom that whole time - just cloud cover | |
| 22:45 | tcohen | @wunder cordoba, argentia |
| 22:45 | huginn | tcohen: Error: No such location could be found. |
| 22:45 | tcohen | @wunder cordoba, argentina |
| 22:45 | huginn | tcohen: The current temperature in Cordoba, Argentina is 32.0°C (7:00 PM ART on March 01, 2013). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 49%. Dew Point: 20.0°C. Pressure: 29.53 in 1000 hPa (Falling). |
| 22:46 | jcamins | @wunder riyadh, saudi arabia |
| 22:46 | huginn | jcamins: The current temperature in King Khaled, Saudi Arabia is 21.0°C (1:00 AM AST on March 02, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 27%. Dew Point: 1.0°C. Pressure: 30.01 in 1016 hPa (Steady). |
| 22:46 | jcamins | @wunder dubai, uae |
| 22:46 | huginn | jcamins: The current temperature in Dubai, UAE is 22.0°C (2:00 AM GST on March 02, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 60%. Dew Point: 14.0°C. Pressure: 30.04 in 1017 hPa (Falling). |
| 22:46 | bag | @wunder death valley national park ca |
| 22:46 | huginn | bag: The current temperature in RAWS HUNTER MOUNTAIN CA US, Keeler, California is 15.0°C (2:23 PM PST on March 01, 2013). Conditions: . Humidity: 16%. Dew Point: -11.0°C. Pressure: 30.69 in 1039.2 hPa. |
| 22:46 | bag | HA |
| 22:47 | @wunder baker ca | |
| 22:47 | huginn | bag: The current temperature in Daggett-Barstow, California is 23.0°C (1:50 PM PST on March 01, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 11%. Dew Point: -10.0°C. Pressure: 30.29 in 1026 hPa (Falling). |
| 22:49 | cait | @wunder dortmund |
| 22:49 | huginn | cait: The current temperature in Stadtkrone Ost, Dortmund, Germany is 1.6°C (11:40 PM CET on March 01, 2013). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 81%. Dew Point: -1.0°C. Windchill: 2.0°C. Pressure: 30.30 in 1026 hPa (Steady). |
| 22:50 | bag | rangi I'm thinking of taking Ginny pie to a baseball game tomorrow |
| 22:51 | I've got a full mets jersey/onsesie to dress her in :P | |
| 22:51 | rangi | ohh awesome |
| 22:52 | cait | :) |
| 22:52 | bag | yeah first time for everything right (HA :P ) |
| 22:53 | I vote that jcamins hosts a kohacon or maybe a NY hackfest - so we can go to a mets game (but then also guessing jcamins isn't a baseball fan) | |
| 22:54 | jcamins | I enjoyed minor league games. |
| 22:54 | Major league I found incredibly dull. | |
| 22:55 | bag | ahhh jcamins my opinion of you just increased 100 fold! |
| 22:55 | jcamins++ | |
| 22:56 | (and in no way was I saying it was bad - just saying it's much better now :) ) | |
| 22:56 | jcamins | :) |
| 22:56 | rangi | ive only ever been to one game |
| 22:56 | and that was at kohacon09 | |
| 22:58 | bag | rangi knew way more about baseball than I ever knew about cricket (but that has changed) and knew why more than schuster and paul_p combined |
| 22:58 | cait | lol |
| 22:58 | wish i had been there :) | |
| 22:58 | rangi | oleonard was there too |
| 22:58 | drojf | i'm not going to say that i have no idea how these things work |
| 22:59 | cait | drojf: more cookies? |
| 22:59 | tcohen | is baseball watching enjoyable? |
| 22:59 | (i'm asking just because I don't even understand the rules) | |
| 23:00 | jcamins | tcohen: I found the minor league enjoyable. |
| 23:00 | Things actually happen. | |
| 23:00 | Well, sort of. | |
| 23:00 | drojf | HAPPY CET BIRTHDAY cait!! :) |
| 23:00 | bgkriegel | cait: Happy birthday!! :) |
| 23:00 | cait | CET? :) |
| 23:00 | thank you drojf and bgkriegel :) | |
| 23:01 | ah a timezone thingy | |
| 23:01 | tcohen | hey cait, please tell kf "happy birtdhay" |
| 23:01 | drojf | central european time. isn't that what we live in? :) |
| 23:01 | bag | if you go with some that point out some of the finer (strategy points) it's really good. but otherwise it does seem like a lot of standing around |
| 23:01 | cait | heh I will tcohen :) |
| 23:02 | bag | it's really interesting to watch the small little things that happen on each pitch (it's a mind game more than crazy endurance) |
| 23:02 | happy birthday cait! | |
| 23:02 | tcohen | bag: i'll give it a try some day |
| 23:02 | cait | thx bag |
| 23:02 | * cait | gets out the birthday cake |
| 23:05 | drojf | cake \o/ |
| 23:10 | rangi | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D5kUPIbINbE |
| 23:13 | tcohen | oh, i've always thought of cricket as something reminiscent to golf |
| 23:13 | now I know crocket and cricket are not the same thing | |
| 23:13 | hehehe | |
| 23:13 | drojf | lol |
| 23:14 | rangi | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TEwCaxx1OJo |
| 23:15 | on any given week there are around 55,000 games of cricket played in india :) | |
| 23:16 | rambutan joined #koha | |
| 23:18 | tcohen | interesting sport |
| 23:23 | drojf | interesting |
| 23:23 | wahanui | well, interesting is sometimes good and sometimes bad |
| 23:23 | drojf | :) |
| 23:27 | rambutan left #koha | |
| 23:30 | cait | good night all :) |
| 23:30 | drojf | good night cait |
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