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| 00:48 | eythian | wahanui: kangaroos are the original hopsters |
| 00:48 | wahanui | OK, eythian. |
| 00:48 | wizzyrea | hehehehe |
| 00:48 | http://www.moneyandshit.com/wp[…]ster_kangaroo.jpg | |
| 00:54 | rangi | Bernardo Gonzalez Kriegel - 80 !!! |
| 00:54 | bgkriegel | :) |
| 00:54 | wizzyrea | awesome :D |
| 00:55 | are you seriously on holiday? | |
| 00:55 | bgkriegel | not now |
| 00:55 | wizzyrea | hehe oh, even more impressive :) |
| 00:55 | bgkriegel | i'm working now |
| 00:56 | but, i'm become addicted :) | |
| 00:56 | wizzyrea | hehe it'll do that |
| 01:00 | rangi | hehe |
| 01:01 | bgkriegel | but there are so many bugs waiting (sign and QA) |
| 01:01 | wizzyrea | yep |
| 01:04 | bgkriegel | I try to do as much as possible now, classes start next week and will not have much time |
| 01:04 | only at night | |
| 01:10 | rangi | danielg++ # another great newsletter |
| 01:10 | bgkriegel++ # the most sign offs in one month of any person ever | |
| 01:10 | eythian | mtj: you about? |
| 01:10 | wizzyrea | ah yea bgkriegel |
| 01:10 | eythian | jcamins: also you? |
| 01:11 | wizzyrea | bgkriegel++ |
| 01:11 | mtj | eythian, yo |
| 01:11 | eythian | mtj: can you send me your GPG fingerprint? |
| 01:11 | mtj | yep, will do |
| 01:12 | eythian | ta |
| 01:14 | mtj | eythian, will email you later this arvo |
| 01:14 | eythian | mtj: I just need the fingerprint |
| 01:14 | not the whole key | |
| 01:15 | mtj | ok, gotcha |
| 01:16 | just in the middle of something now.. :/ | |
| 01:17 | eythian | ok |
| 01:20 | mtj | wow, bgkriegel++ indeed |
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| 01:23 | ow1n | Anyone up for a non-Koha-related git question? I'm trying to clone a git repo I have set up on a remote server and it fails every time |
| 01:24 | wizzyrea | shoot :) |
| 01:24 | rangi | whats the error it gives you? |
| 01:24 | pastebot | "oleonard" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "git clone error" (5 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/409 |
| 01:25 | rangi | you cloning over http, or git protocol? |
| 01:25 | oleonard | ssh |
| 01:25 | rangi | hmm |
| 01:25 | wizzyrea | what's the command you're running? |
| 01:26 | rangi | i havent seen that error before it looks like some kinda network issue |
| 01:26 | mtj | git-gc is the fsck tool for git, yeah? |
| 01:26 | http://www.kernel.org/pub/soft[…]/docs/git-gc.html | |
| 01:26 | rangi | no its the garbage cleaner mtj |
| 01:26 | oleonard | git clone usernameexample.com:/path/to/my/repo/.git |
| 01:26 | rangi | hmm that looks ok |
| 01:26 | cjh | mtj: if you want the fsck tool for git, then git-fsck? |
| 01:27 | mtj | heh, sorry |
| 01:27 | um, yeah.. thats what i meant | |
| 01:27 | oleonard | I've never had trouble cloning the Koha repo on this network (at home), so I didn't expect to have problems |
| 01:27 | rangi | right .. yeah i dunno what is up with that im afraid :( |
| 01:28 | mtj | ah, ok its a repo from kc.org.. |
| 01:28 | oleonard | Well, you're the smartest guys I know so I figured I'd ask :) |
| 01:28 | gmcharlt | mtj: which repo? |
| 01:28 | mtj | gmcharlt, not sure |
| 01:28 | oleonard | My problem is with a non-Koha repo, just to be clear |
| 01:29 | mtj | ok ok |
| 01:29 | wizzyrea | ssh://usernameexample.com:/path/to/my/repo/.git maybe? |
| 01:29 | rangi | oleonard: ssh to the box works fine eh? |
| 01:29 | eythian | or git://usernameexample... |
| 01:29 | cjh | you need to specify ssh afaik |
| 01:29 | oleonard | rangi, yeah |
| 01:29 | cjh | oops beaten to it. |
| 01:29 | rangi | yeah try ssh:// |
| 01:29 | wizzyrea | or git+ssh://username@ |
| 01:30 | cjh | ie git+ssh://usernamewhere.foo:/path/to/somewhere/repo.git |
| 01:30 | mtj | my crazy 2 cents… ive have horribly borked git repos, that *only* been able to fix, by cloning them |
| 01:30 | wizzyrea | HA beat you :) |
| 01:30 | cjh | wizzyrea: stop stealing my comments :( |
| 01:30 | * wizzyrea | laughs evilly |
| 01:30 | cjh | wizzyrea++ # defeated |
| 01:30 | * gmcharlt | checks this is still #koha, right not #thunderdome ? |
| 01:30 | gmcharlt | ;) |
| 01:30 | wizzyrea | lol :) |
| 01:31 | cjh | gmcharlt: we had a vote while you were gone. |
| 01:31 | * wizzyrea | wonders what or who is in #thunderdom |
| 01:31 | mtj | … the leather tights won |
| 01:31 | wizzyrea | thunderdome |
| 01:31 | * gmcharlt | cracks his knuckles, then |
| 01:32 | wizzyrea | are you getting ready to rumble? |
| 01:32 | * cjh | wasnt alive when mad max came out. |
| 01:32 | * wizzyrea | only just |
| 01:33 | ibeardslee | /kick /kick |
| 01:33 | cjh | heh |
| 01:33 | gmcharlt | two bots enter! one bot leaves! two bots enter! one bot leaves! |
| 01:34 | ibeardslee | there is a 4th being filmed |
| 01:41 | eythian | @later tell jcamins please tell me your GPG fingerprint |
| 01:41 | huginn | eythian: The operation succeeded. |
| 01:42 | * wizzyrea | wonders if oleonard got his repo working |
| 01:42 | oleonard | Nope |
| 01:42 | wizzyrea | hm. |
| 01:43 | well, everything else I see is like "not enough memory on the remote server" | |
| 01:44 | or "repo too large" | |
| 01:44 | oleonard | Not enough memory seems possible I guess. I know the repo isn't that big. |
| 01:44 | wizzyrea | http://stackoverflow.com/quest[…]g/6849424#6849424 |
| 01:45 | oleonard | Yeah, tried that one :) |
| 01:47 | * oleonard | will try tomorrow at work |
| 01:47 | oleonard | If it works at least I'll have a copy on this laptop |
| 01:47 | Later | |
| 01:47 | wizzyrea | later |
| 01:47 | aw | |
| 01:53 | dcook | Whoa, I haven't seen oleonard here in ages. |
| 01:53 | wizzyrea | he's only on during the american day |
| 01:53 | but every day! | |
| 01:53 | wahanui | every day is a koha hackfest here at Catalyst :D or a good day to talk about food |
| 01:53 | cjh | dcook: don't blink. |
| 02:23 | wizzyrea | be kf |
| 02:23 | hm. | |
| 02:23 | cjh | be wizzyrea |
| 02:23 | wahanui | do you like my aspirational, irritatingly American, optimism? |
| 02:23 | cjh | :) |
| 02:23 | wizzyrea | eythian's is my favorite. |
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| 03:02 | rangi | https://twitter.com/WineSentie[…]774181888/photo/1 |
| 03:02 | cjh | :o :o :o |
| 03:02 | wizzyrea | :O dolphins in oriental bay!? |
| 03:02 | cjh | koha team trip to the beach \o/ |
| 03:02 | * wizzyrea | has sunscreen |
| 03:02 | * cjh | has legs |
| 03:03 | ibeardslee | https://twitter.com/arwenamin/[…]06962082367172608 |
| 03:03 | rangi | i dunno how long ago that was, its quite likely they ahve all gone |
| 03:03 | or yeah dickheads in boats scared them off | |
| 03:03 | wizzyrea | aw |
| 03:06 | rangi | https://www.youtube.com/watch?[…]d&v=8-1F-CokXNU#! here watch this instead have to have sound tho |
| 03:07 | * cjh | braces for cute |
| 03:08 | wizzyrea | that's like a kitten with a mirror. |
| 03:08 | which if you have never had the pleasure of, is quite funny | |
| 03:15 | ibeardslee | my cat just hisses at her reflections in doors and windows |
| 03:16 | .. which in a sad way is quite funny | |
| 03:17 | cjh | my cockatiel finds his own reflection scary or attractive, depending on the time/mood. |
| 03:17 | wizzyrea | you have a cockatiel? |
| 03:17 | cjh | yeap |
| 03:18 | wizzyrea | neat |
| 03:21 | cjh | I dont think I have any pictures of him on my pc though :( |
| 03:35 | jcamins | eythian: EE155EAD |
| 03:36 | eythian | jcamins: that's not the fingerprint :) |
| 03:36 | jcamins | eythian: oh, what is that? |
| 03:36 | wahanui | i guess that is in march? |
| 03:36 | eythian | that's the key id |
| 03:36 | jcamins | Okay. |
| 03:36 | What's the fingerprint? | |
| 03:37 | eythian | It's a long string that can't be generated predictably, unlike the key id |
| 03:37 | jcamins | How would I find it? |
| 03:37 | eythian | gpg --fingerprint |
| 03:43 | jcamins: OK, useful things in your email | |
| 03:45 | jcamins | Got 'em. |
| 03:48 | Ummm... how do I import it? | |
| 03:48 | eythian | jcamins: gpg --import |
| 03:49 | jcamins | That's what I thought. It doesn't think the decrypted file is valid. |
| 03:49 | eythian | is the decrypted file valid? |
| 03:50 | it should have text you can read in it | |
| 03:50 | jcamins | It has your message and a public key and a private key. |
| 03:51 | eythian | yeah, so you should be able to paste them into gpg --import |
| 03:51 | or save it and run it over them, or whatever | |
| 03:51 | jcamins | Okay, so it's just the keys that I should be importing. |
| 03:51 | eythian | yeah |
| 03:51 | jcamins | I figured it was a special format. |
| 03:52 | eythian | no, just plan ASCII armored GPG |
| 03:55 | dcook | @karma ByWaterSolutions |
| 03:55 | huginn | dcook: ByWaterSolutions has neutral karma. |
| 03:55 | dcook | Hmm, any way to list options? :p |
| 03:55 | http://bywatersolutions.com/20[…]ion-into-notices/ <-- handy info! | |
| 03:56 | jcamins | Hmmm... |
| 03:56 | wizzyrea | yea, that only works in the overdues. it's really annoying. |
| 03:56 | eythian | @wunder nzwn |
| 03:56 | huginn | eythian: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 20.0°C (4:00 PM NZDT on February 28, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 64%. Dew Point: 13.0°C. Pressure: 29.92 in 1013 hPa (Falling). |
| 03:57 | jcamins | List options? |
| 03:57 | dcook | wizzyrea: According to the people commenting, they were able to use it for their digests...so must be for item dues or predues as well |
| 03:58 | wizzyrea | having just spent some time in the predues, I find it very highly unlikely. |
| 03:58 | dcook | :( |
| 03:58 | wizzyrea | but items.content will take whatever fields you give it |
| 03:58 | in the cron. | |
| 03:59 | dcook | Doesn't overdues require that as well? |
| 03:59 | wizzyrea | overdues can use either format |
| 03:59 | not the digests though | |
| 03:59 | dcook | I think we might be talking about different things |
| 03:59 | I was referring to items.content. Not the item tags. | |
| 04:00 | wizzyrea | oh - yes, sorry I thought you were referring to the <<item>> tags |
| 04:00 | * wizzyrea | just submitted a patch to fix the documentation of items.content in the cron job |
| 04:00 | wizzyrea | and fix the date-due vs issuedate |
| 04:00 | dcook | A little while ago, I wanted to use a advanced notice digest with <<items.content>>, but I think you said that it probably wouldn't work. I hadn't looked yet, as it wasn't quite a priority.. |
| 04:01 | wizzyrea++ | |
| 04:01 | wizzyrea | "just" = recently |
| 04:01 | i haven't chased it up - I thought it got in. | |
| 04:01 | jcamins | Facebook-- |
| 04:01 | wizzyrea | anyway |
| 04:01 | I have to go get my kiddo | |
| 04:01 | later | |
| 04:01 | dcook | later wizzyrea |
| 04:01 | Specifically or generally, jcamins? | |
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| 04:02 | druthb | o/ |
| 04:03 | bag | heya druthb |
| 04:03 | jcamins | dcook: specifically. I just got my nightly alerts informing me that Facebook is taking a special interest in my servers. |
| 04:03 | druthb | Hi, bag. |
| 04:06 | dcook | O_o |
| 04:06 | bag | ok time to go read a book! the real fun begins!!! w00t |
| 04:06 | dcook | Time...read...book? |
| 04:06 | Actually, I totes read a book during lunch today. It was fantastic. | |
| 04:06 | bag | HA - well I've got about 20 pages left in one and then I'll start another one or read a magazine :P |
| 04:08 | dcook | Fun times :D |
| 04:08 | jcamins: That sounds...menacing | |
| 04:09 | jcamins | Ha! |
| 04:09 | Got it! | |
| 04:28 | * jcamins | goes to sleep, having conquered GPG. |
| 04:29 | eythian | later |
| 04:30 | dcook | night, jcamins |
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| 05:42 | dcook | Hmm, only 18 minutes of work left, but hungry. Not worth it to open up the crackers and hummus. Or is it... |
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| 06:14 | dcook | hey cait :) |
| 06:14 | and barriers and bigbrovar :D | |
| 06:14 | cait | hey dcook |
| 06:15 | bigbrovar | dcook: Hi |
| 06:21 | dcook | End of the day! Ta, tout le monde |
| 06:45 | rangi | gah |
| 06:46 | cait | hm? |
| 06:48 | rangi | google docs |
| 06:51 | * rangi | makes a wiki page before we force everyone to have a google login |
| 06:53 | cait | google docs for? |
| 06:54 | rangi | check the devel list |
| 06:54 | cait | he mailed the list yesterday with an error he had trying |
| 06:54 | I think | |
| 06:54 | mirko answered to that | |
| 06:55 | rangi | yep, so did galen |
| 06:55 | cait | ah ok :) |
| 07:10 | * magnuse | waves |
| 07:18 | magnuse | danielg++ for the newsletter |
| 07:18 | @seen danielg | |
| 07:18 | huginn | magnuse: danielg was last seen in #koha 2 years, 15 weeks, 2 days, 12 hours, 47 minutes, and 19 seconds ago: <danielg> lucky you! i'm in day 11. longest cold i've ever had |
| 07:18 | * magnuse | hopes he is better now |
| 07:24 | * cait | waves at magnuse |
| 07:25 | * magnuse | waves at cait |
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| 07:27 | reiveune | hello |
| 07:27 | wahanui | privet, reiveune |
| 07:29 | magnuse | bonjour reiveune |
| 07:29 | @wunder boo | |
| 07:29 | huginn | magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 3.0°C (8:20 AM CET on February 28, 2013). Conditions: Rain Showers. Humidity: 93%. Dew Point: 2.0°C. Windchill: -2.0°C. Pressure: 29.39 in 995 hPa (Steady). |
| 07:29 | magnuse | @wunder konstanz |
| 07:29 | huginn | magnuse: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 1.4°C (8:20 AM CET on February 28, 2013). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 91%. Dew Point: 0.0°C. Windchill: 1.0°C. Pressure: 30.21 in 1023 hPa (Steady). |
| 07:29 | magnuse | @wunder marseille |
| 07:29 | huginn | magnuse: The current temperature in Marseille, France is 1.0°C (8:00 AM CET on February 28, 2013). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 93%. Dew Point: 0.0°C. Windchill: -1.0°C. Pressure: 30.18 in 1022 hPa (Rising). |
| 07:29 | reiveune | salut magnuse |
| 07:29 | magnuse | hah! ;-) |
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| 07:44 | cait | bbl :) |
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| 08:57 | christophe_c | hi #koha |
| 09:01 | hello magnuse | |
| 09:02 | magnuse | bonjour christophe_c! |
| 09:02 | christophe_c | in fact, you have only the train option at this time for your arival march 17th |
| 09:04 | you have a train 18h55=>21h32 or 19h04=>21h41 20h04=>22h49 | |
| 09:05 | and a bus n°99 from T1 to the train station | |
| 09:08 | magnuse | ooh, thanks for doing the research christophe_c++ |
| 09:08 | christophe_c | np magnuse ;-) |
| 09:09 | magnuse | i'll bring an extra bag of easter marzipan just for you, if you like :-) |
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| 09:23 | christophe_c | wahou magnuse ;-) cool |
| 09:24 | magnuse | :-) |
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| 09:26 | magnuse | wb kf |
| 09:31 | kf | thx :) |
| 09:31 | drojf | good morning #koha |
| 09:39 | kf | morning drojf |
| 09:42 | drojf | hi kf |
| 09:43 | magnuse | moin drojf |
| 09:44 | drojf | hei magnuse |
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| 10:25 | kf | hm ping Joubu |
| 10:57 | gaetan_B: around? | |
| 11:03 | gaetan_B | hallo kf :) i'm here but in a meeting ;) |
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| 11:43 | Joubu | hello #koha ! |
| 11:45 | pong kf, sorry I never think to come here every morning :-/ | |
| 11:46 | drojf | Joubu: the trick is to never log out ;) |
| 11:48 | Joubu | drojf: yep, I will try to install irssi on a server |
| 11:48 | drojf | :) |
| 11:50 | @wunder berlin, germany | |
| 11:50 | huginn | drojf: The current temperature in Prenzlauer Berg, Berlin, Germany is 5.7°C (12:43 PM CET on February 28, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 66%. Dew Point: -0.0°C. Windchill: 3.0°C. Pressure: 30.33 in 1027 hPa (Falling). |
| 11:50 | magnuse | Joubu: bip is pretty useful too :-) |
| 11:51 | drojf | it is light (!) grey here. i would even describe my state as "awake" \o/ |
| 11:52 | kf | Joubu: I was looking at the fines bug - but I think I misunderstood and it's all ok |
| 11:52 | Joubu: I just really want to get rid of those log files | |
| 11:52 | Joubu | magnuse: ho yes, looks cool |
| 11:55 | kf: wep but if you call the script with -o, nothing append. A little change could fix the issue | |
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| 12:59 | kf | Joubu: hope rangi has time to take a look :) |
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| 13:23 | tcohen | late morning #koha |
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| 14:25 | tcohen | jcamins, is there a bug for the changelanguage thing that arised yesterday? |
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| 14:41 | tcohen | kf: which was the but related to changelanguage.pl? |
| 14:41 | (a.k.a. "redirections") | |
| 14:59 | kf | tcohen: hm look in the logs? |
| 14:59 | irc logs? | |
| 14:59 | wahanui | irc logs are http://irc.koha-community.org/irclog/koha/ |
| 14:59 | kf | there :) |
| 15:00 | tcohen | didn't know it, thanks kf |
| 15:00 | kf | if you look at yesterday the link shoudl be there |
| 15:00 | np | |
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| 15:00 | kf | only have not time to search right now |
| 15:12 | tcohen | kf: could we re-open that bug or should I fill a new one? |
| 15:13 | kf | i think jcamins would say : file a new one:) |
| 15:13 | because it's already been pushed | |
| 15:13 | it will work better for the autogenerated release notes and to see the actual status | |
| 15:13 | jcamins | Filea new one. |
| 15:13 | kf | jcamins: :P |
| 15:13 | jcamins | *file a |
| 15:13 | I didn't read the question yet, but a new bug is the way to go. | |
| 15:14 | tcohen | so the benevolent dictator arised |
| 15:14 | kf | heh |
| 15:14 | tcohen: I think it's really better here - the other bug does wht it was supposed to do, but it only works for the start page | |
| 15:14 | so it could work better = enh on a separate bug | |
| 15:14 | tcohen | its to issues actually |
| 15:14 | jcamins | Actually, the bug is that we have changelanguage.pl at all. |
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| 15:14 | tcohen | - the redirection bug |
| 15:14 | jcamins | Everything should use opac-changelanguage.pl |
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| 15:15 | tcohen | - che changelanguage.pl vs opac-language.pl |
| 15:15 | - the feature was not implemented (force a language by passing it as a parameter, it only works for the changelanguage.pl page! ) | |
| 15:16 | when someone (some Katrin Fischer) asked for the enh she said we should be able to bypass cookies and browser detection ON THE OPAC | |
| 15:16 | not a specific page if i'm not wrong | |
| 15:17 | jcamins | Hm. |
| 15:17 | Right, so, first thing is a new bug eliminating changelanguage.pl, and second thing is reopening that bug. | |
| 15:17 | And fixing it. | |
| 15:17 | tcohen | ok |
| 15:18 | i'll have to split my patch :-P | |
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| 15:25 | kf | tcohen: this Katrin Fischer is me btw ;) |
| 15:25 | the library wanted to offer a link on the home page that woudl bring you to the start page of the opac - in english or german according to the link - the patch made that possible | |
| 15:25 | tcohen | of course :-P (i actually thought it was that cait one) |
| 15:25 | kf | I still think it will get messy if we reopen and is probably better done on a separate bug |
| 15:26 | um... | |
| 15:26 | tcohen | i'll actually fill two different bugs |
| 15:26 | kf | but I agree with dong it - it will be nice to have it working |
| 15:26 | tcohen: you know who is the cait one... right? | |
| 15:27 | tcohen | one fixing the expected behaviour (intead of 404, redirect to the opac URL if no refferal) |
| 15:27 | the other, implementing what you actually asked for | |
| 15:28 | yes kf, i was just having fun! | |
| 15:28 | kf | oh ok |
| 15:28 | and I am having a long day... | |
| 15:28 | * kf | goes back to work |
| 15:30 | slef | @seen khall |
| 15:30 | huginn | slef: khall was last seen in #koha 2 weeks, 5 days, 19 hours, 16 minutes, and 20 seconds ago: <khall> np! |
| 15:30 | slef | hi all |
| 15:30 | khall | what's up? |
| 15:30 | slef | khall: just rebasing bug 9296, wondered if you were around. |
| 15:30 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9296 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, mjr, Patch doesn't apply , overduerules table needs restructuring to allow future extension |
| 15:31 | khall | excellent! |
| 15:31 | also, wow, I don't say very much very often, do I? | |
| 15:31 | jcamins | @seen kyleh |
| 15:31 | huginn | jcamins: kyleh was last seen in #koha 33 weeks, 3 days, 2 hours, 21 minutes, and 25 seconds ago: * kyleh follows the debian.install guide in git to create the koha virtual appliances |
| 15:31 | jcamins | Huh. |
| 15:31 | @seen kyle_h | |
| 15:31 | huginn | jcamins: I have not seen kyle_h. |
| 15:33 | * khall | is more of a lurker |
| 15:38 | slef | String::Random is marked as optional, but C4::Members requires it. How is that optional? |
| 15:38 | @query String::Random | |
| 15:38 | huginn | slef: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8840 normal, P5 - low, ---, mtompset, Needs Signoff , ubuntu-pkg-check.sh fix and extend functionality |
| 15:38 | slef: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9315 trivial, P5 - low, ---, bgkriegel, Pushed to Master , Bad version of String::Random reported by koha_perl_deps.pl | |
| 15:39 | jcamins | slef: it's not optional. |
| 15:39 | I didn't think it was marked optional, but if it is, it shouldn't be. | |
| 15:39 | slef | jcamins: koha_perl_deps.pl says it is |
| 15:40 | jcamins | Patches are welcome. |
| 15:41 | slef | let's see how long a trivial patch takes |
| 15:41 | jcamins | I think... about forty-five seconds. |
| 15:41 | Ready... go! | |
| 15:41 | slef | don't I have to create it in bugzilla? |
| 15:41 | jcamins | Oh, I thought you had. |
| 15:42 | slef | I woudln't have @query if I had |
| 15:42 | * jcamins | is currently reading a handwritten Russian art book from 1929, and only slightly paying attention. |
| 15:42 | rambutan | http://www.buzzfeed.com/awesom[…]if-you-love-books |
| 15:42 | slef | first challenge - is it internals or installation? |
| 15:43 | jcamins | Installation. |
| 15:43 | wahanui | i heard installation was running a modified 3.6.x |
| 15:43 | slef | so I was wrong, changing |
| 15:44 | Bug 9734 has been added to the database | |
| 15:44 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9734 normal, P2, ---, mjr, ASSIGNED , String::Random is marked as optional, but C4::Members requires it |
| 15:44 | slef | Switched to a new branch 'for_upstream/bug_9734' |
| 15:46 | kf | oh no oleonard |
| 15:46 | tcohen | jcamins: on bug 7514 kf asked for a way to show "the OPAC" in a specific language, should I reopen or create a new one for "any OPAC page"? Looks like an enhancement |
| 15:46 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7514 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, frederic, RESOLVED FIXED, Choose OPAC language with URL parameter |
| 15:46 | kf | tcohen: do you have master right now? and a translation installed? |
| 15:47 | tcohen | yes |
| 15:47 | slef | git commit messages? |
| 15:47 | jcamins | Probably a new bug that includes "Choose OPAC language in links to any page." |
| 15:47 | kf | i wonder if it's missing the icons on the start page for you in non-english |
| 15:47 | slef | commit messages? |
| 15:47 | wahanui | Please follow the guidelines at http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]i/Commit_messages when writing commit messages. |
| 15:47 | gaetan_B | bye ! |
| 15:47 | kf | if you could take a quick look that would be nice |
| 15:47 | bye gaetan_B | |
| 15:47 | tcohen | kf: icons? |
| 15:47 | wahanui | icons are great if you use touchscreens, think of selfcheckouts e.g. |
| 15:47 | kf | the module icons on the intranet start page |
| 15:48 | tcohen | they r there |
| 15:48 | kf | hmpf |
| 15:48 | thx :) | |
| 15:48 | tcohen | no p |
| 15:48 | thanks jcamins | |
| 15:51 | slef | Changes submitted for bug 9734 |
| 15:51 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9734 normal, P2, ---, mjr, Needs Signoff , String::Random is marked as optional, but C4::Members requires it |
| 15:51 | slef | So, a one-line patch currently takes ten minutes :-/ |
| 15:53 | I humbly suggest we should look for how to shorten that. The two obvious-looking things to me are to shorten the long list of bugzilla components and simplify the commit message format. | |
| 15:54 | tcohen | bug 9735 |
| 15:54 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9735 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , Choose OPAC language in links to any page |
| 15:54 | jcamins | We tried shorter requirements for the commit messages. |
| 15:55 | We are approaching 300 patches that are waiting on someone other than the original developer's attention. | |
| 15:55 | Based on that we can safely conclude that it is more important to reduce the amount of time required to test than it is to reduce the amount of time to write a patch. | |
| 15:56 | magnuse | jcamins++ |
| 15:57 | slef | Well, the commit messages actually cause me two problems testing. Firstly, some seem to specify preconditions with no way to meet them without more work. Secondly, I'm unconvinced some test plans are sufficient. |
| 15:57 | jcamins | Agreed. |
| 15:57 | Many test plans aren't good enough. | |
| 15:58 | But any test plan is better than the none-at-all that most people provided prior to the new rules. | |
| 15:58 | But your complaint would suggest _more_ stringent requirements for commit messages, not less. | |
| 15:59 | slef | I don't care as long as it's natural enough I'm not having to look up the flaming wiki every time I write one ;-) |
| 16:00 | as now when I'm travelling, I either have to tether and hope there's signal, or I go work on something more disconnected-friendly. | |
| 16:00 | jcamins | THEN DON'T LOOK IN THE WIKI. |
| 16:00 | I don't give a damn whether you use the same punctuation. | |
| 16:00 | slef | I don't like QA fails. |
| 16:00 | jcamins | I care that you include the relevant information. |
| 16:00 | If you know what information is relevant, you can format it whatever way you like. | |
| 16:01 | If you do not know what information is relevant, you should look in the wiki to check. | |
| 16:01 | But if the issue here is the second, the problem is not overly prescriptive rules about commit messages. | |
| 16:06 | Ooh, I like the unit test! | |
| 16:06 | slef | I just added that. |
| 16:07 | I probably should have written it first and put it in a patch first, so you could apply that on its own. | |
| 16:07 | Test-Driven Development | |
| 16:07 | wahanui | Test-Driven Development is just easier. |
| 16:07 | slef | wahanui: yes, it is. |
| 16:07 | wahanui | slef: what? |
| 16:07 | slef | wahanui: easier. |
| 16:07 | wahanui | slef: i'm not following you... |
| 16:07 | slef | wahanui: clearly |
| 16:07 | wahanui | slef: sorry... |
| 16:07 | slef | wahanui: that is OK |
| 16:07 | wahanui | ...but that is in march?... |
| 16:07 | slef | wahanui: no, that is in February |
| 16:07 | wahanui | ...but that is in march?... |
| 16:07 | slef | wahanui: you suck |
| 16:07 | wahanui | slef: excuse me? |
| 16:08 | slef | wahanui: you are excused |
| 16:08 | wahanui | ...but wahanui is a bot|a repository of important and useful and accurate information or at least partially slow.|a little bit creepy.|right sometimes... |
| 16:09 | reiveune | bye |
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| 16:10 | tcohen | does anyone have a pointer to the 'any' command semantics? |
| 16:11 | slef | tcohen: is that what the computer runs when I press the any key? |
| 16:11 | tcohen | heh |
| 16:11 | its some perl function | |
| 16:12 | jcamins | I'm not familiar with it. |
| 16:12 | tcohen | any { $_ eq $lang } @languages |
| 16:12 | hm List::Moreutils | |
| 16:12 | jcamins | Looks like map? |
| 16:12 | slef | yeah, map with an if |
| 16:13 | I'd expect it to return true if the code block returns true for any element in the array. | |
| 16:13 | tcohen | yeap, looks like map |
| 16:22 | slef | Changes submitted for bug 9296 |
| 16:22 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9296 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, mjr, Needs Signoff , overduerules table needs restructuring to allow future extension |
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| 16:43 | jcamins | I love the notes in all the current name authorities saying "This heading can't be used in RDA until the record has been reviewed and/or updated." |
| 16:43 | Who exactly is supposed to have time to go back through millions of authority records to review and/or update them? | |
| 16:44 | slef | which authority is that in? |
| 16:46 | jcamins | slef: http://id.loc.gov/authorities/[…]s/no97040643.html though I have noticed it in almost every authority record I have looked at. |
| 16:48 | slef | Changes submitted for bug 9326 |
| 16:48 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9326 blocker, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Patch doesn't apply , New database update system suggests running duplicate updates |
| 16:54 | slef | what permission is needed to access mainpage? |
| 16:54 | * slef | UTSLs |
| 16:55 | jcamins | I think catalogue |
| 16:55 | slef | catalogue |
| 16:55 | wahanui | i think catalogue is only to view the catalogue |
| 16:55 | slef | wahanui: forget catalogue |
| 16:55 | wahanui | slef: I forgot catalogue |
| 16:55 | slef | wahanui: catalogue is to view the catalogue or the mainpage |
| 16:55 | wahanui | OK, slef. |
| 16:55 | slef | jcamins++ |
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| 17:02 | slef | Changes submitted for bug 7018 |
| 17:02 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7018 critical, P5 - low, ---, fridolyn.somers, Signed Off , need all acq permissions to search |
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| 17:04 | slef | ok, I added 2 Needs Signoffs and cleared 2 = I'm not making the signoff queue worse |
| 17:04 | Bug 9575 test plan is a bit involved :-/ | |
| 17:04 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9575 major, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Needs Signoff , Serious Holds Problem with IndependantBranches |
| 17:05 | slef | Bug 9411 has no test plan. khall++ for asking for one. |
| 17:05 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9411 major, P5 - low, ---, hugh, Needs Signoff , Multiple uses of javascript eval on ajax responses in acq.js |
| 17:07 | slef | Changes submitted for bug 9322 |
| 17:07 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9322 major, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Needs Signoff , If multiple transfers exist (from circ/branchtransfers.pl), completing one completes them all |
| 17:12 | slef | Changes submitted for bug 9293 |
| 17:12 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9293 major, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Signed Off , action_logs not tracking payments |
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| 18:55 | slef | @query all vendors |
| 18:55 | huginn | slef: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8819 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , enter claim date manually |
| 18:55 | slef: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7018 critical, P5 - low, ---, fridolyn.somers, Signed Off , need all acq permissions to search | |
| 18:56 | slef: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8854 major, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Failed QA , invoice filters don't all work | |
| 18:56 | slef: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8740 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, mjr, Failed QA , Serials Claims should be exportable all at once | |
| 18:56 | slef: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5173 enhancement, PATCH-Sent (DO NOT USE), ---, robin, Failed QA , Allow the discount to be editable | |
| 19:04 | magnuse | slef++ for being on a roll |
| 19:05 | slef | how do we feel about using ~~ instead of == when one argument may be numeric or string? |
| 19:06 | someone suggested using -1 instead of "all" but I dislike numbers that have hidden meanings | |
| 19:06 | wahanui: GBSD? | |
| 19:06 | wahanui | GBSD is Global Bug Squashing Day |
| 19:06 | slef | wahanui: when is it? |
| 19:06 | wahanui | i haven't a clue, slef |
| 19:07 | magnuse | slef: guess there will be one during the hackfest in marseille... |
| 19:08 | but anyone is free to organize one at any time :-) | |
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| 20:01 | drojf | i wonder if i should put my name in the wiki as bug wrangler for 3.14. given how little time i am able to put into my bug wrangler position for 3.12 at the moment i almost feel like i should do it again next round without that title |
| 20:02 | jcamins | drojf: as long as you do it! |
| 20:03 | bag | afternoon all :) |
| 20:06 | drojf | good evening bag |
| 20:06 | bag | :) |
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| 20:07 | rangi | back |
| 20:08 | drojf | s/enc/end |
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| 20:08 | drojf | hi rangi |
| 20:08 | rambutan | jcamins: surely you'll want to do it before it "times out"? |
| 20:08 | jcamins | rambutan: yeah, but I have... |
| 20:08 | 5 years? | |
| 20:09 | rambutan | ic |
| 20:09 | I really want to go for my PhD @ UMKC, but can't get anybody to go with me. | |
| 20:09 | drojf | 5 years from now or alltogether? |
| 20:10 | * wizzyrea | waves |
| 20:10 | jcamins | drojf: 5 years from now. |
| 20:10 | rambutan | wizzyrea: they say more snow on Monday |
| 20:10 | wizzyrea | i heard that |
| 20:10 | madness. | |
| 20:10 | wahanui | i heard madness was manyfold - ask me for the second sign of madness. |
| 20:11 | jcamins | second sign of madness? |
| 20:11 | wahanui | i think second sign of madness is hairs on the palms of my hands |
| 20:11 | wizzyrea | second sign of madness |
| 20:11 | wahanui | second sign of madness is hairs on the palms of my hands |
| 20:11 | jcamins | third sign of madness? |
| 20:11 | wahanui | @quote get 123 is the third sign of madness |
| 20:11 | huginn | wahanui: (quote get [<channel>] <id>) -- Gets the quote with id <id> from the quote database for <channel>. <channel> is only necessary if the message isn't sent in the channel itself. |
| 20:11 | rambutan | hey, that's recursive madness |
| 20:11 | jcamins | fourth sign of madness? |
| 20:11 | first sign of madness? | |
| 20:11 | wahanui | it has been said that first sign of madness is looking for hairs on the palms of my hands |
| 20:12 | rangi | @wunder nzwn |
| 20:12 | huginn | rangi: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 18.0°C (9:00 AM NZDT on March 01, 2013). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 77%. Dew Point: 14.0°C. Pressure: 29.86 in 1011 hPa (Rising). |
| 20:12 | drojf | third sign of madness is forgetting about the third sign of madness |
| 20:14 | @wunder berlin, germany | |
| 20:14 | huginn | drojf: The current temperature in Prenzlauer Berg, Berlin, Germany is 3.0°C (9:13 PM CET on February 28, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 70%. Dew Point: -2.0°C. Windchill: 0.0°C. Pressure: 30.18 in 1022 hPa (Steady). |
| 20:14 | jcamins | @wunder 11375 |
| 20:14 | huginn | jcamins: The current temperature in Glendale, Glendale, New York is 9.1°C (3:14 PM EST on February 28, 2013). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 51%. Dew Point: -1.0°C. Windchill: 7.0°C. Pressure: 29.55 in 1000 hPa (Steady). |
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| 20:14 | jcamins | Yep. Pretty nice out. |
| 20:23 | bgkriegel | @wunder cordoba, argentina |
| 20:23 | huginn | bgkriegel: The current temperature in Cordoba, Argentina is 29.0°C (5:00 PM ART on February 28, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 40%. Dew Point: 14.0°C. Pressure: 29.80 in 1009 hPa (Falling). |
| 20:24 | bgkriegel | a little hot |
| 20:24 | libsysguy | @wunder 77346 |
| 20:24 | huginn | libsysguy: The current temperature in Kingwood Glen, Atascocita, Texas is 14.6°C (2:15 PM CST on February 28, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 10%. Dew Point: -17.0°C. Pressure: 30.20 in 1023 hPa (Falling). |
| 20:25 | libsysguy | cnn 77346 |
| 20:25 | @cnn 77346 | |
| 20:25 | huginn | libsysguy: Error: HTTP Error 500: Server Error |
| 20:25 | libsysguy | @weather 77346 |
| 20:25 | huginn | libsysguy: The current temperature in Kingwood Glen, Atascocita, Texas is 14.6°C (2:15 PM CST on February 28, 2013). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 10%. Dew Point: -17.0°C. Pressure: 30.20 in 1023 hPa (Falling). |
| 20:26 | drojf | bgkriegel: i could use "a little hot" for a day or tow |
| 20:26 | two | |
| 20:26 | bgkriegel | :) |
| 20:27 | drojf | i would trade "a little over zero" ;) |
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| 20:51 | jcamins | wizzyrea: what should I do with one avocado? |
| 20:52 | cjh | make a BLAT. |
| 20:52 | jcamins | Heh. That was my wife's suggestion too. |
| 20:52 | The only problem is that I only have an avocado and bread of the ingredients. | |
| 20:53 | bag | deep fry it!!! kidding.. wedge it with some lime on it and salt and pepper |
| 20:54 | jcamins: we have an avocado tree in our yard - and have about 50 too many to eat right now | |
| 20:54 | jcamins | Nice! |
| 20:54 | This is our last avocado. | |
| 20:54 | wizzyrea | well if I had one avocado |
| 20:55 | I would probably dice it and put it on a salad. | |
| 20:55 | trea | mash it on toast, with salt and pepper. mmm |
| 20:55 | wizzyrea | mmm also a good one |
| 20:55 | bag | yeah mashed on toast is awesome |
| 20:55 | wizzyrea | or... make a corn fritter and put it on top of bacon with a little salsa |
| 20:55 | happens to be what I had for breakfast today :P | |
| 20:55 | jcamins | I have avocado salad dressing for my radish salad. |
| 20:55 | bag | bacon! |
| 20:56 | jcamins | If we had bacon, we'd be 33% closer to a BLAT. |
| 20:56 | wizzyrea | what do you have |
| 20:56 | jcamins | And, for that matter, if we had had lettuce for a regular salad we'd be another 33% closer. |
| 20:56 | wizzyrea | besides avocado |
| 20:56 | jcamins | Root vegetables. |
| 20:56 | wizzyrea | hm. |
| 20:56 | jcamins | Beets, carrots, rutabaga, sweet potato, regular potato, more sweet potato, even more sweet potato, another rutabaga... |
| 20:57 | wizzyrea | http://www.gaylesbakery.com/ab[…]-root-vegetables/ |
| 20:57 | jcamins | Hmm. |
| 20:57 | That's probably what I'll do. | |
| 20:57 | wizzyrea | i mean, basically that's "melting" the avocado to make a creamier dressing for the veggies |
| 20:57 | veges* | |
| 20:57 | jcamins | Once I get home I'll be feeling too lazy to do anything complex. |
| 20:58 | wizzyrea | that looks not too complex - even I could manage making roots into pieces and tossing them into the oven. |
| 20:58 | jcamins | Exactly. |
| 20:58 | wizzyrea | hopefully they'd make it into a pan first. |
| 20:58 | jcamins | That's why that's what I'll probably do. |
| 20:58 | lol | |
| 20:58 | rangi | http://vimeo.com/60724919 |
| 20:59 | wizzyrea | \o/ yay dolphins! |
| 20:59 | if we were a little closer to the harbor we would have been able to see them | |
| 20:59 | or if all of those buildings weren't in the way | |
| 21:00 | that's a fantastic vid | |
| 21:00 | cjh | awesome! |
| 21:00 | wahanui | That'll be $1 for the awesome jar, cjh |
| 21:00 | cjh | drats. |
| 21:00 | wizzyrea | but you know what awesome jar contributions get you? |
| 21:00 | more awesome. | |
| 21:00 | cjh | wahanui: ^^ arent you going to step in? |
| 21:00 | wahanui | cjh: no idea |
| 21:21 | eythian | hi |
| 21:22 | wizzyrea | my nose is cold. |
| 21:22 | it's not monday - where is everybody?! | |
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| 21:24 | slef | @quote get 123 |
| 21:24 | wahanui | http://xkcd.com/1172/ |
| 21:24 | huginn | slef: Quote #123: "rangi: #thingsihavelearnt if there is a mad scheme a library somewhere will be doing it ... except madder" (added by wizzyrea at 09:20 PM, March 30, 2011) |
| 21:24 | slef | wahanui? |
| 21:24 | wahanui | slef? |
| 21:24 | slef | wahanui: why did you say that? |
| 21:24 | wahanui | i don't know, slef |
| 21:24 | slef | wahanui: figures |
| 21:24 | wahanui | I like *your* figure |
| 21:24 | slef | wahanui: pervert |
| 21:24 | wahanui | slef: sorry... |
| 21:25 | wizzyrea | hehehehehe |
| 21:25 | slef | so, using ~~ instead of ==, good/bad/evil? |
| 21:26 | wizzyrea | ah interesting you can't add a list as the db user. |
| 21:26 | I shouldn't be surprised. | |
| 21:26 | jcamins | slef: I have no objection to it, so if it results in better code, go for it. |
| 21:27 | Unless it requires a high version of Perl. | |
| 21:27 | slef | jcamins: good question. |
| 21:27 | * slef | looks it up |
| 21:28 | slef | hrm, where to find manuals for old versions of perl? |
| 21:29 | jcamins | I'm not sure... if you have Debian Squeeze, that'll be 5.10 which is the earliest version Koha supports. |
| 21:29 | * jcamins | heads home. |
| 21:30 | slef | man perl5100delta makes me think it's new in 5.10 |
| 21:31 | http://perl5maven.com/smart-matching-in-perl-5.10 confirms that | |
| 21:32 | eythian | wahanui: kitten is http://robotfindskitten.org/pl[…]robotfindskitten/ |
| 21:32 | wahanui | OK, eythian. |
| 21:32 | slef | not sure whether to just use eq but I don't remember if 1 eq 1 |
| 21:32 | tested and it does | |
| 21:32 | eythian | it'll stringify them |
| 21:33 | slef | not sure that's a problem |
| 21:33 | basically the operator was == but now one parameter may be string or numeric | |
| 21:33 | so == causes a warn causes a Failed QA | |
| 21:34 | eythian | well, also if it may be a string, == will give wrong results |
| 21:34 | slef | QA suggested using magic numbers like -1 instead of a string |
| 21:34 | but I don't like magic numbers because I forget which means what | |
| 21:34 | eythian | yeah |
| 21:34 | slef | bbl |
| 21:34 | eythian | You could assign constants to them |
| 21:34 | slef | tips welcome |
| 21:34 | eythian | them to constants rather |
| 21:34 | rangi | smart match does some slightly odd things |
| 21:35 | id prefer constants and/or eq | |
| 21:36 | i cant remember what schwern said about smart matching, but it made sense at the time :) eythian might remember | |
| 21:36 | eythian | I think ~~ would work fine in this case, looking at the table. But I'm a little wary of using it where it's not really necessary. |
| 21:36 | I think just that it can sometimes have unexpected results. | |
| 21:37 | though tends to be smart. | |
| 21:39 | * cjh | doesnt yet trust smart match |
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| 21:40 | eythian | ohh, we have a spy in the catalyst network! |
| 21:46 | bag | ha eythian did you kick that spy! looks like it |
| 21:46 | eythian | And tip my hand so‽ |
| 21:47 | rangi | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v6OEPE2DRYY |
| 21:47 | its mashup friday | |
| 21:47 | cait joined #koha | |
| 21:48 | eythian | good morning cait |
| 21:48 | rangi | hi cait |
| 21:48 | cait | oh hi :) |
| 21:48 | do you want something qa'd? | |
| 21:48 | rangi | heh |
| 21:57 | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MZBuYbKgvQI | |
| 21:57 | someone elses turn next | |
| 21:57 | wizzyrea | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dnhKPw2NXIw |
| 21:58 | bag | call me maybe |
| 21:58 | kidding kidding | |
| 21:58 | ibeardslee | why the 'vs' it's not like they are fighting, it's like they are working together |
| 21:58 | rangi | good point, i think it works quite well together ;) |
| 21:59 | wizzyrea | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ure6I6mRyDc |
| 21:59 | bag - you asked for it. | |
| 22:01 | ftr, that is the only context that I would ever, ever, ever listen to those two songs in. | |
| 22:01 | (not the doors - the gotye one) | |
| 22:01 | bag | my neighbors just threw soda at my wall :P |
| 22:01 | wizzyrea | they must love you |
| 22:01 | bag | I'm rocking |
| 22:03 | rangi | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ThU9BOWcmjM <-- crank that to really annoy the neighbours |
| 22:03 | drojf | someone should make a song of that »Angry Scottish People Saying Real Words Maybe« that i saw linked at the last clip |
| 22:04 | ibeardslee | of course today is the day for .. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hnhnggUCWcc |
| 22:04 | rangi | oh yeah good call ibeardslee |
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| 22:08 | cjh | that is awesome. |
| 22:09 | ibeardslee | This is the best resource I've found for the background on that speech .. http://publicaddress.net/great[…]lly-indefensible/ |
| 22:10 | actually s/for\ the\ background// | |
| 22:32 | Dyrcona | David_Lange++ |
| 22:34 | rangi | bgkriegel++ |
| 22:35 | bgkriegel | with your help :) |
| 22:35 | rangi | :) |
| 22:37 | Dyrcona: he certainly was one of our cooler prime ministers | |
| 22:38 | Dyrcona | Yes, I'm listening to the audio of his 1985 debate, now. |
| 22:38 | cjh | I downloaded it for later :p |
| 22:38 | sadly I had never heard of him :( | |
| 22:38 | rangi | you're too young |
| 22:39 | cjh | I like that excuse. |
| 22:39 | Dyrcona | I knew about New Zealand being a nuclear-free zone, but didn't know about how it came about. |
| 22:39 | ibeardslee | piss poor excuse thouth |
| 22:39 | thought | |
| 22:39 | though | |
| 22:39 | cjh | 3rd try lucky. |
| 22:40 | Dyrcona: i'm in the same boat, except im a New Zealander so I *should* really know such things. | |
| 22:40 | ibeardslee | one of the things that I've found interesting in terms of education in NZ is that we don't cover a lot of our history |
| 22:40 | * Dyrcona | wants to be a New Zealander. |
| 22:40 | rangi | ibeardslee: very little in fact |
| 22:40 | ibeardslee | at school in oz, I remember doing all sorts of things about people exploring the country |
| 22:40 | Dyrcona | ibeardslee: The same is true in the U.S. It's more propaganda than anything approaching the truth. |
| 22:41 | cjh | unless you do ncea history there is very little covered. A lot of the things we did cover had an international flavour. |
| 22:41 | rangi | i learnt about the war of the roses and the jacobite rebellion |
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| 22:42 | rangi | ibeardslee: i bet they skipped all the 'and we slaughtered whole families of people here' bit :-) |
| 22:42 | wizzyrea | yea, formal education is usually more about creating the mythology of a country in the mind of the populace, and less about actually knowing the facts. |
| 22:42 | ibeardslee | ncea history is different, I'm talking about things like Burkes and Wills expeditions in primary school |
| 22:42 | cait | hm |
| 22:42 | not sure that is true here | |
| 22:43 | ibeardslee | rangi: actually a lot of the aboriginal interaction/massacres were covered |
| 22:43 | wizzyrea | i'll grant you it's a pretty jaded and cynical view. |
| 22:43 | rangi | ibeardslee: sweet, your's must have been the first generation |
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| 22:44 | eythian | my history classes were a mix of local and international |
| 22:44 | but mostly recent history (past 100 years ish) | |
| 22:44 | rangi | when i was at high school, they were still calling it 'the maori wars' .. umm hello they were fighting other people |
| 22:44 | ibeardslee | rangi: dunno, it seemed that at LCA in ballarat I knew more about the Eureka stockade than some of the other aussies about. |
| 22:45 | rangi | interesting .. .maybe lucked out on some good teachers/good school ? |
| 22:45 | ibeardslee | maybe |
| 22:45 | * Dyrcona | follows Mark Twain's motto: Never let your schooling interfere with your education. |
| 22:45 | rangi | wanganui high school was certainly not a place of enlightenment i found :) |
| 22:46 | Dyrcona | Neither was my high school. |
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| 22:57 | dcook | hola #koha |
| 22:58 | rangi | hi dcook |
| 23:00 | cait | hi dcook |
| 23:00 | dcook | hi rangi and cait :) |
| 23:13 | IE-- | |
| 23:14 | One trailing comma and the opac detail page busts for IE7. *eyeroll* | |
| 23:14 | Well, the layout busts :p | |
| 23:14 | cait | ie-- |
| 23:14 | @karma IE | |
| 23:14 | huginn | cait: Karma for "IE" has been increased 1 time and decreased 66 times for a total karma of -65. |
| 23:15 | dcook | I'd love to know where the +1 came from :p |
| 23:15 | gmcharlt | dcook: clearly a fan of the abbreviation for 'id est' |
| 23:16 | dcook | hehe |
| 23:18 | bag | hey gmcharlt thanks for those updates on 9511 (just checked one site with that problem and sure enough they don't have that code) |
| 23:18 | applied and cronned a reindex for late night :) | |
| 23:18 | talljoy | jcamin ping |
| 23:18 | jcamins ping | |
| 23:19 | @seen jcamins | |
| 23:19 | huginn | talljoy: jcamins was last seen in #koha 1 hour, 49 minutes, and 40 seconds ago: * jcamins heads home. |
| 23:19 | talljoy | c'est la vie |
| 23:25 | dcook | Yay! Trailing comma already fixed in master :D |
| 23:25 | bag | read that as coma ! |
| 23:25 | HA | |
| 23:26 | dcook | I had to double-check that I spelled it right as I was writing ;) |
| 23:26 | bag | heh |
| 23:27 | gmcharlt | no, that's what you get if you have to proofread all of the MARC frameworks by hand ;) |
| 23:30 | dcook | O_O |
| 23:31 | I updated a framework as a spreadsheet the other day (before rangi reassured me that using the web UI would be much better) and yeah...near coma :p | |
| 23:33 | jcamins | @later tell slef if ~~ was introduced in 5.10.0, I will happily push it to master. |
| 23:33 | huginn | jcamins: The operation succeeded. |
| 23:33 | jcamins | talljoy: what can I do for you? |
| 23:34 | talljoy | ask and ye shall receive, eh? :-) |
| 23:34 | jcamins | Oh, heh. |
| 23:34 | That was only 15 minutes ago. | |
| 23:35 | talljoy | i've been asked a pointed question about authority matching. What I'm trying to locate in documentation somewhere is an outline of *what* matches from bibs to auth. i.e. 100 in bib to 100 in auth |
| 23:35 | i'm thinking that the bib tags 100, 600, 700, 800 match the 100 in an auth record | |
| 23:35 | same with x10, x11, x30 | |
| 23:36 | jcamins | Yes and no. |
| 23:36 | By default, yes. | |
| 23:36 | talljoy | okay. i'm okay with default. what would make it a no? |
| 23:36 | jcamins | However, if the library wants to do something weird, there is nothing preventing them doing that. |
| 23:37 | talljoy | weird is outside my scope. i'm happy knowing what the 'normal' behavior is. |
| 23:37 | jcamins | Also, if they broke the authority control link because they didn't know about BiblioAddsAuthorities (this was popular for a while), linking will seem to "not work." |
| 23:37 | talljoy | fair enough. |
| 23:37 | jcamins | And by "broke" I mean "cut." |
| 23:38 | talljoy | right. makes sense. |
| 23:38 | but the intended purpose would also match 648 -> 148 65->150 651->151, 655->155 | |
| 23:39 | what about other authority controlled fields in a bib record. Like the 440 or 662 or 690? | |
| 23:39 | jcamins | If those were linked. |
| 23:39 | 650 is linked by default. | |
| 23:39 | * bag | grabs popcorn while reading - this is like awesome librarian movie! |
| 23:40 | talljoy | lol |
| 23:40 | jcamins | 440 will link only to existing series authorities. |
| 23:40 | i.e. thanks to LC's nutty policies, there is no automatic authority generation by design. | |
| 23:40 | talljoy | so 662 appears linked to geographic name so...662->151 |
| 23:41 | jcamins | Hm. |
| 23:41 | talljoy | 690 local subject would link to 650 in the linker |
| 23:41 | jcamins | I don't think we have an authority type for 662 by default. |
| 23:42 | 690 _can_ be linked to topical headings (150/650). | |
| 23:42 | Or it can be linked to personal names, or even something more disturbing. | |
| 23:42 | talljoy | ha! |
| 23:42 | mad library schemes and all | |
| 23:42 | jcamins | Exactly. |
| 23:43 | I'm looking to see if we have an authority type for 662. | |
| 23:43 | I do not use them, personally. | |
| 23:43 | I favor 651 + see-froms. | |
| 23:43 | talljoy | i guess my main concern in responding is if they use a 700 in a bib for added authors, will that 700 link to an auth record just like the 100 tag. And it sounds like yes. |
| 23:43 | jcamins | Yes it will. |
| 23:43 | talljoy | 651 is better than 662 |
| 23:44 | jcamins | In my opinion. |
| 23:44 | 662 is one of those things that made sense back when everything was on cards sorted by subject. | |
| 23:45 | But nowadays, no one has a clue wtf they're supposed to understand from "New York--Queens County--Forest Hills." | |
| 23:45 | talljoy | makes perfect sense to me. |
| 23:46 | sigh...i was born a librarian | |
| 23:46 | i remember my first interaction with a card catalog. | |
| 23:46 | jcamins | It makes sense to me too. |
| 23:46 | talljoy | the sky parted, the sun shone down, i even think angels sang |
| 23:46 | and then i promptly moved to subject catalog to look up religious conversion | |
| 23:47 | jcamins | But if I were the target audience for catalogs, we wouldn't bother with non-MARC views... |
| 23:47 | lol | |
| 23:47 | dcook | hehe |
| 23:48 | talljoy | sadly, i do remember my first experience on a card catalog. I looked up biographies on Houdini. |
| 23:48 | i had a thing for Houdini as a young girl. weird, eh? | |
| 23:48 | bag | is it intermission yet - I need to refill my soda :P |
| 23:48 | talljoy | LOL |
| 23:48 | jcamins | No, it makes sense... |
| 23:48 | talljoy | i'm just reminiscing |
| 23:48 | jcamins | he was an expert at escaping. |
| 23:49 | ... kind of like one can do at a library with all those wonderful books! | |
| 23:49 | bag | oh that's bad!!!! good pun |
| 23:49 | talljoy | i think that's a metaphor, not a pun |
| 23:49 | :-P | |
| 23:49 | bag | I typed that at escaping :P |
| 23:49 | jcamins | Yeah, I was definitely going for a metaphor. |
| 23:50 | * bag | whatevs - goes to refill my soda |
| 23:50 | talljoy | hah |
| 23:51 | thanks jcamins. I can answer with a modicum of authority now on this question. i appreciate the confirmation. | |
| 23:51 | jcamins | You're welcome. |
| 23:54 | Is there a chart showing month-by-month status changes? | |
| 23:58 | Wow. | |
| 23:58 | 238 patches pushed this month. | |
| 23:58 | cait | cool |
| 23:59 | jcamins | cait: isn't it kind of late? |
| 23:59 | cait | it is |
| 23:59 | i was packing |
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