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| Time | Nick | Message |
|---|---|---|
| 00:01 | drojf | mtj: i'm sure i'm missing the complicated part since i cannot login, but it looks less cluttered than going through long bugzilla threads to see who said what about a patch some time ago ;) |
| 00:02 | mtj | hey drojf, you are preaching to the converted here :p |
| 00:02 | drojf | :) |
| 00:24 | dcook joined #koha | |
| 00:24 | dcook | Hi #koha |
| 00:30 | libsysguy joined #koha | |
| 00:30 | libsysguy | o/ |
| 00:37 | rangi | mtj: yeah i turned it off in frustrations |
| 00:45 | libsysguy | gerrit? |
| 00:46 | mtj | … surely its about time for an irc-proxy libsysguy ? :p |
| 00:47 | libsysguy | if I could figure out bip I would use it |
| 00:51 | dcook | Anyone out there working on making Koha more RDA compliant? |
| 00:51 | Seems like a bit of a nightmare | |
| 00:51 | rangi | its compliant already |
| 00:51 | just load in the RDA framework | |
| 00:52 | now .. what the hell you are supposed to do with that data after you have catalogued it | |
| 00:52 | well, no one actually knows that | |
| 00:52 | wizzyrea | up to you really >.> |
| 00:52 | rangi | somehow it magically is better for people or something |
| 00:52 | dcook | Well, that's what I mean |
| 00:52 | trea | ......magically |
| 00:52 | rangi | meanwhile LOC lost interest in it and did bibframe instead |
| 00:52 | libsysguy | *magic* |
| 00:52 | dcook | You can load in the framework, but Koha won't do anything with the data you upload |
| 00:52 | wizzyrea | what is it supposed to do? |
| 00:53 | dcook | Hmm, I haven't looked at any of my bibrame emails :p |
| 00:53 | Ridiculous things, wizzyrea ;) | |
| 00:53 | To be honest, I have no idea | |
| 00:53 | rangi | you can change the xslt |
| 00:53 | and make it display | |
| 00:53 | dcook | The RDA trainer I talked to didn't have a clue either, although she "talked the talk" |
| 00:53 | rangi | but the fact is .. the new fields dont really provide any added value for anything |
| 00:53 | dcook | I couldn't agree more |
| 00:53 | wizzyrea | so... how can we make it more compliant if no one knows what it should do or what value it provides? |
| 00:53 | libsysguy left #koha | |
| 00:53 | dcook | 374 Gender? wth? |
| 00:53 | * wizzyrea | boggels |
| 00:53 | rangi | heh yeah |
| 00:53 | dcook | hehe |
| 00:53 | rangi | so i think having the framework |
| 00:53 | http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]i/MARC_frameworks | |
| 00:54 | so you dont lose data | |
| 00:54 | its all there | |
| 00:54 | dcook | Well, I was wondering if anyone had done more investigations |
| 00:54 | rangi | and then when someone figures out what the hell to do with it |
| 00:54 | we can :) | |
| 00:54 | dcook | Mmm, I thought that would be the case |
| 00:54 | rangi | but im not holding my breath, it feels dead in the water to me |
| 00:54 | RDA as MARC that is | |
| 00:54 | wizzyrea | floating and putrid. |
| 00:54 | dcook | I figure we'll do up a new RDA framework and then customize as folk desire |
| 00:54 | wizzyrea | Mmmmmmm |
| 00:54 | it's done | |
| 00:54 | rangi did it :) | |
| 00:54 | rangi | yeah i did that already :) |
| 00:54 | see the link :) | |
| 00:55 | dcook | Hmm |
| 00:55 | rangi | only the actually accepted links, not all the random proposed ones not accepted yet |
| 00:55 | dcook | I don't know if I'd classify it as a miracle, but we really shoudl have a sainthood for you, rangi |
| 00:55 | rangi | s/links/fields/ |
| 00:55 | * wizzyrea | agrees with that. |
| 00:55 | rangi | someone did send 3 months sending me emails addressed to christ |
| 00:55 | spend even | |
| 00:56 | its in the mailing archives :-) | |
| 00:56 | dcook | lol |
| 00:56 | wizzyrea | rofl. |
| 00:57 | * dcook | decides to look back over at Bibframe |
| 00:57 | dcook | In partnerships with Library and Archives Canada? hmm, they're hooped |
| 00:57 | rangi | :) |
| 00:57 | woo nice email about italy | |
| 00:58 | dcook | Italy? |
| 00:58 | Hmm, it is lunch time.. | |
| 00:58 | wizzyrea | yuss gazillion italian libraries ^.^ |
| 00:58 | rangi | wanting to put koha into 200+ schools |
| 00:59 | dcook | :D |
| 01:00 | Turkey, Italy, seems like Koha is becoming ever more popular | |
| 01:00 | Still not very popular in Canada, although I want to do a few volunteer Koha projects for friends back home when I have a few minutes. I'm thinking LiveCDs might be the way to go since they'll be in Windows environments with very low technical expertise | |
| 01:00 | (and no desire to learn) | |
| 01:01 | (and volunteers themselves) | |
| 01:04 | Hmm, can the sql file be uploaded through the webui or does it need to be done directly through mysql? | |
| 01:04 | * dcook | thought that he saw a webui option recently |
| 01:04 | wizzyrea | "the sql file" |
| 01:04 | dcook | Ah, export to SQL. Perhaps no import as SQL? |
| 01:04 | wizzyrea | ? |
| 01:04 | dcook | The one that chris linked above |
| 01:05 | For the framework | |
| 01:05 | wizzyrea | it can be imported |
| 01:05 | libsysguy joined #koha | |
| 01:05 | wizzyrea | in administration -> frameworks |
| 01:05 | sorry, administration -> MARC bibliographic frameworks :P | |
| 01:06 | dcook | Thanks, wizzyrea |
| 01:06 | I was in the right spot. Koha just had a bad label | |
| 01:06 | It was asking for a spreadsheet | |
| 01:06 | wizzyrea | bad label? |
| 01:06 | dcook | When you click on "Import" |
| 01:06 | wizzyrea | oh lordie. |
| 01:06 | dcook | It says "Spreadsheet File:" |
| 01:06 | * wizzyrea | fixes it |
| 01:06 | wizzyrea | file a bug for that? |
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| 01:06 | dcook | Sure |
| 01:06 | wizzyrea | please and thank you |
| 01:06 | : | |
| 01:06 | :) | |
| 01:09 | dcook | Bug 9545 |
| 01:09 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9545 minor, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , Fix Import Marc Bibliographic Framework Text Label |
| 01:10 | wizzyrea | ty :) |
| 01:10 | dcook | np :) |
| 01:17 | mtj | libsysguy, i tried bip too, and didnt succeed…. :/ |
| 01:17 | libsysguy | what do you use? |
| 01:18 | I was just messing with it again | |
| 01:18 | mtj | but.. i did then try znc, and volia! - too easy |
| 01:19 | libsysguy | installing... |
| 01:21 | mtj | s/volia/voilà/ |
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| 01:24 | libsysguy | hey hey |
| 01:24 | there I am | |
| 01:24 | eythian | yeah znc is pretty easy |
| 01:24 | * wizzyrea | wants to get a rpi for her bouncer. |
| 01:24 | libsysguy | now I just have to configure adium to point to it |
| 01:26 | dcook | Rangi, how did you create the RDA framework? Did you edit it as a spreadsheet or as SQL? I think I might end up adding in a bunch of the other 3xx fields that Libraries Australia seems keen to add |
| 01:26 | rangi | just edit it in framework editor |
| 01:26 | adding new ones is easy | |
| 01:27 | dcook | Seems like a lot of clicking to save changes before moving on to a new subfield or tag though :/ |
| 01:28 | Glad the marc21 plugin has been updated for the 006 and 008 though :D | |
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| 01:31 | libsysguy_afk | ah that's much better |
| 01:33 | wizzyrea | you're not afk. |
| 01:33 | lol | |
| 01:33 | * wizzyrea | gets all picky on you |
| 01:35 | dcook | This might sound random, but do Koha folks ever sort of do a random table and say what projects they're working on? |
| 01:36 | wizzyrea | hm not really? |
| 01:36 | i mean, not formally. | |
| 01:36 | dcook | It seems like I'm always bug fixing, so I wonder where people find the time to develop and what they work on |
| 01:36 | rangi | we normally tell people on irc |
| 01:36 | dcook | Makes sense. |
| 01:37 | wizzyrea | yea, if you're working on something, and you want everyone to know you're working on it, you'd tell the IRC and the developer mailing list. |
| 01:37 | that would hit most people. | |
| 01:37 | like, jcamins is doing a search rewrite, he did that. | |
| 01:38 | there's probably also a proper spec somewhere | |
| 01:38 | on the wiki. | |
| 01:38 | wahanui | rumour has it on the wiki is more information about the packages |
| 01:38 | * jcamins_away | stops banging his head on the table briefly at the sound of his name. |
| 01:38 | jcamins_away | search rewrite? |
| 01:38 | wahanui | i think search rewrite is http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]earch_Rewrite_RFC |
| 01:38 | jcamins_away | ^^ there |
| 01:38 | wahanui | ^^ there is that very good point |
| 01:38 | wizzyrea | why are you bruising your brain |
| 01:38 | dcook | jcamins is doing a search rewrite? |
| 01:38 | He might be my new hero | |
| 01:38 | jcamins_away | Yes. |
| 01:38 | See the above wiki page. | |
| 01:38 | wizzyrea | oh. |
| 01:38 | no you need your brain to do that | |
| 01:39 | * wizzyrea | gets you a bit of foam to put between your skull and the table |
| 01:39 | jcamins_away | No, the above wiki page was for dcook. |
| 01:39 | :) | |
| 01:39 | dcook | Thanks, jcamins :) |
| 01:40 | wizzyrea | forget ^^ there |
| 01:40 | wahanui | wizzyrea: I forgot ^^ there |
| 01:40 | jcamins_away | Also, one client sent me someone else's 1099, and I have four books of deposit slips that seem to have the wrong routing number. |
| 01:41 | libsysguy | will not bug jcamins_away this day |
| 01:41 | * libsysguy | ^^ |
| 01:41 | wizzyrea | that is really pants. |
| 01:42 | jcamins_away | If I had gotten paid all the money that they just reported to the government, I wouldn't mind so much. |
| 01:42 | Heck, I wouldn't mind at all. | |
| 01:42 | I would also have a new bathroom, and possibly quartz countertops. | |
| 01:42 | libsysguy | hbt |
| 01:43 | I smell a lawsuit for mail fraud? | |
| 01:43 | jcamins_away | I'm hoping that the client just fixes the problem. |
| 01:44 | I mean, the checks were made out to someone else, so surely they can send a letter to the IRS saying "sorry, 'C' and 'H' are very close on the keyboard." | |
| 01:44 | wizzyrea | https://www.facebook.com/photo[…]588&type=1&ref=nf |
| 01:44 | does that work? | |
| 01:44 | this really tickled me | |
| 01:44 | jcamins_away | lol |
| 01:45 | wizzyrea | https://www.facebook.com/photo[…]200&type=1&ref=nf <- from my high school librarian, whom I loved dearly. |
| 01:45 | (also, how awesome is it that I can be internet friends with my beloved high school librarian?) | |
| 01:45 | dcook | hehe |
| 01:45 | * dcook | thumbs up |
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| 02:39 | wajasu | so. what is the current goal these days. bug 8309 DBIx::Class or stick with Class::Accessor style. |
| 02:39 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8309 enhancement, P1 - high, ---, paul.poulain, ASSIGNED , Koha namespace organisation, first implementation |
| 02:40 | rangi | those are 2 totally different things for totally different use cases |
| 02:42 | if you check the patches there, its actually Moose + DBIx::Class | |
| 02:42 | wajasu | bug8798 is what I mean. |
| 02:42 | rangi | my preference would be Class::Accessor + DBIx::Class |
| 02:43 | moose is huge and slow | |
| 02:43 | wajasu | i thought DBIx::Class depended on Moose. |
| 02:43 | rangi | no |
| 02:43 | not in the slightest | |
| 02:43 | wajasu | ok. then |
| 02:43 | i just read about 50 emails for all the signoffs since August. | |
| 02:44 | i am mad at myself that bug 8378 caused problems. | |
| 02:44 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8378 minor, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, In Discussion , <fine> syntax not working on overdues anymore |
| 02:45 | libsysguy | before dbix::class sees any action nginx needs to get in |
| 02:46 | wajasu | i guess i could do a rewrite with a class::Accessor |
| 02:49 | is plack an option yet? | |
| 02:50 | wizzyrea | meh people make mistakes it's alright. |
| 02:50 | :) | |
| 02:51 | rangi | plack is an option yes, but everything has to still function without it also |
| 02:52 | wajasu | your right. |
| 02:54 | eythian | wajasu: your right is <reply>No! Go Left! |
| 02:54 | err | |
| 02:54 | wahanui: your right is <reply>No! Go Left! | |
| 02:54 | wahanui | i already had it that way, eythian. |
| 02:54 | eythian | wahanui: your right is also <reply>No, the other right. |
| 02:54 | wahanui | okay, eythian. |
| 02:57 | wajasu | you arer right |
| 02:57 | wizzyrea | your right |
| 02:57 | it's not workinggggggg | |
| 02:58 | wajasu | your right. |
| 02:58 | wizzyrea | your right? |
| 02:58 | curses. | |
| 03:00 | jcamins_away | Everything does not function with Plack. |
| 03:00 | That's a problem. | |
| 03:03 | eythian | wahanui's right |
| 03:03 | wahanui | No, the other right. |
| 03:03 | eythian | wahanui: \your right is <reply>No! Go Left! |
| 03:03 | wahanui | OK, eythian. |
| 03:03 | eythian | wahanui: \your right is also <reply>No, the other right. |
| 03:03 | wahanui | okay, eythian. |
| 03:03 | wizzyrea | your right |
| 03:03 | wahanui | No! Go Left! |
| 03:03 | wizzyrea | eythian++ |
| 03:06 | jcamins_away | And yes, I know some people say that Plack works perfectly. |
| 03:06 | It does not. | |
| 03:10 | mtj | peeps, is there a patch about - to allow koha packages to run using a git repo? |
| 03:10 | wizzyrea | >.> |
| 03:10 | ping chrish | |
| 03:10 | mtj | ta wiz |
| 03:12 | cjh | you just need to make changes to the git config, I have a script that can do this for you. |
| 03:12 | gah, sorry make changes to the koha config >.> | |
| 03:12 | eythian | also apache config |
| 03:12 | cjh | that too, third time lucky >.> |
| 03:15 | jcamins_away | cjh: it sounds really useful! You should share the script! |
| 03:16 | cjh | it's managed to now break a few installs now, so was planning to release it at some point. |
| 03:16 | jcamins_away | Yay! |
| 03:16 | cjh | ill throw it up on my git server as well as github. |
| 03:17 | mtj | i reaally wanted to patch koha-create to add this… |
| 03:18 | but then i looked at the code, and ran away | |
| 03:18 | cjh | heh |
| 03:18 | jcamins_away | I found koha-create easy to understand. |
| 03:18 | But I think a separate script would be better. | |
| 03:18 | cjh | the script i suseful for migrating already created sites as well. |
| 03:18 | although its really just regex and a little arg passing. | |
| 03:19 | jcamins_away | Or, of course, we could simply revise all the scripts to work on any kind of installation. :) |
| 03:19 | dcook | :D |
| 03:20 | cjh | I also plan to make some changes to koha-foreach and koha-shell, as they currently don't behave as well as I would like (when using a git repo) |
| 03:22 | rangi | of course you have to be mental to run a production site on anything other than the packages, so this is all just for dev/staging stuff :) |
| 03:23 | wizzyrea | right, the idea is to have a nice accessible way for people to create a development environment |
| 03:23 | not a way to make it easier to run a production system on git | |
| 03:23 | because that is menta. | |
| 03:23 | mental.* | |
| 03:24 | * dcook | does feel mental sometimes |
| 03:24 | cjh | if we are lucky: https://github.com/mkfifo/koha-gitify |
| 03:25 | mtj | i want a prod koha running using the packages, from a git repo |
| 03:25 | jcamins_away | mtj: what? |
| 03:25 | wizzyrea | why? |
| 03:25 | cjh | I wouldn't particularly recommend using my code to handle the conversion. |
| 03:25 | * cjh | doesn't want to break prod |
| 03:26 | jcamins_away | cjh++ |
| 03:26 | mtj | .. .because every now and again, i might want to apply a safe, tested, and urgent patch to a prod koha |
| 03:27 | eythian | I think what you're actually asking for is what we do. |
| 03:27 | wizzyrea | you could create and deploy your own packages |
| 03:27 | rangi | build a package and deploy |
| 03:27 | exactly | |
| 03:27 | jcamins_away | You should be building packages with those patches. |
| 03:27 | dcook | jcamins has a script for that up on his github I believe |
| 03:27 | rangi | deploy to staging test, and deploy live |
| 03:27 | wizzyrea | there's a script in koha to do that |
| 03:27 | cjh | yay, consensus! |
| 03:27 | jcamins_away | Having a git repo for production is entirely missing the point. |
| 03:27 | eythian | I think that's what mtj said, just in a slightly turned-about way. |
| 03:28 | dcook | Well, unless you use an OS that doesn't support packages, non? |
| 03:28 | jcamins_away | wizzyrea: yeah, but for those of us who are lazy, there's also a script I wrote which runs build-git-snapshot and a whole bunch of other things. |
| 03:28 | wizzyrea | oh, well ok then. |
| 03:30 | mtj | i admit i havent yet learnt to build a new debain package to deploy a trival patch |
| 03:31 | dcook | But if it's a trivial patch, why not just use git bz? |
| 03:31 | Actually... | |
| 03:31 | * wizzyrea | gives dcook "the look" |
| 03:31 | * dcook | goes back about his business |
| 03:31 | cjh | dcook: they are talking about making a patch live, not sharing with the community :) |
| 03:31 | wizzyrea | it's withering |
| 03:32 | jcamins_away | dcook: yes, you use git-bz to apply the patch. |
| 03:32 | It's the deployment that the packages are for. | |
| 03:32 | rangi | then build-git-snapshot |
| 03:32 | to make your package to deploy | |
| 03:32 | that puts things in the right places, and with proper security | |
| 03:32 | jcamins_away | Two different parts of the process. |
| 03:32 | rangi | and file permissions |
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| 03:32 | rangi | running out of git you expose a lot of files that have no need to be |
| 03:33 | dcook | It took me a minute to remember that I use a different process :p |
| 03:33 | I'd be interested to know what other folk not running Debian and Ubuntu do... | |
| 03:34 | jcamins_away | Suffer. |
| 03:34 | dcook | Well, besides that :p |
| 03:34 | * wizzyrea | tries not to spit drink on her computer |
| 03:34 | rangi | id hope they run from tarballs |
| 03:34 | dcook | I was just thinking that |
| 03:34 | rangi | and build and deploy their own |
| 03:34 | dcook | We had this discussion last year |
| 03:34 | jcamins_away | Well, yeah, they use the tarballs. |
| 03:34 | But that doesn't negate the suffering. | |
| 03:35 | eythian | they should presumably use git export or similar to make their own tarballs |
| 03:35 | they can pretend they're using slackware. | |
| 03:35 | jcamins_away | eythian: sounds like suffering to me. :P |
| 03:35 | rangi | perl Makefile.pl |
| 03:35 | make tardist | |
| 03:36 | if you want to do that | |
| 03:36 | dcook | To be honest, I figure it's just switch over to Debian :p |
| 03:36 | jcamins_away | Cool, that's a new one for me. |
| 03:36 | dcook | just easier* |
| 03:36 | jcamins_away | I use git archive. |
| 03:37 | rangi | sorry make manifest tardist |
| 03:37 | or make manifest zipdist | |
| 03:37 | jcamins_away | Still new. :) |
| 03:38 | wizzyrea | oh yep |
| 03:38 | cool, thanks for that | |
| 03:41 | rangi++ that will be in the logs forever! | |
| 03:43 | mtj | cjh, thanks for koha-gitify paste too ^^ |
| 03:43 | rangi | http://perldoc.koha-community.[…]_RELEASE_TARBALLS |
| 03:43 | its even documented :) | |
| 03:44 | wizzyrea | ^.^ |
| 03:44 | * wizzyrea | read "make tardis" and thought "awesome!" |
| 03:44 | wizzyrea | if only briefly. |
| 03:47 | dcook | hehe |
| 03:47 | The secret was there and documented all along | |
| 03:48 | jcamins_away | rangi: why would you use that instead of git archive? |
| 03:48 | rangi | it uses the Manifest |
| 03:48 | jcamins_away | Alternatively, why am I using git archive instead of that for packaging release tarballs? |
| 03:48 | rangi | someone probably broke it, that's often what happens |
| 03:50 | jcamins_away | What we really need is to get back to our MakeMaker roots... the installer used to be way less fragile. |
| 03:51 | * wizzyrea | thinks we really ought to make the webinstaller less ridiculous |
| 03:51 | wizzyrea | it ought to be like wordpress's famous 5 minute one. |
| 03:51 | jcamins_away | That too. |
| 03:51 | rangi | ah yep, someone broke MANIFEST.skip |
| 03:51 | wizzyrea | curses. |
| 03:51 | rangi | easy fix |
| 03:51 | ill send a patch | |
| 03:52 | MANIFEST.skip is handy to specify stuff we dont want in the tarball | |
| 03:52 | but once i fixed that, it ran just fine | |
| 03:52 | its gzipping as we speak | |
| 03:59 | wizzyrea | how often is perldoc.koha-community.org regenerated? |
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| 04:00 | wizzyrea | or is that automagic |
| 04:00 | rangi | automagic |
| 04:00 | wizzyrea | noice. |
| 04:01 | rangi | bug 9546 |
| 04:01 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9546 normal, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Needs Signoff , MANIFEST.SKIP breaking regexp when running make manifest tardist |
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| 04:36 | dcook_ | Hmm |
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| 06:26 | cait | good morning #koha |
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| 06:39 | cjh | morning cait :) |
| 06:39 | cait | morning cjh :) |
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| 06:43 | cait | hm evening :) |
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| 07:37 | cait | oh of course... |
| 07:37 | I have to go to work and it starts raining heavily | |
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| 07:39 | reiveune | hello |
| 07:45 | cait | hi reiveune |
| 07:45 | reiveune | salut cait, magnuse :) |
| 07:46 | cait | @wunder Konstanz |
| 07:46 | huginn | cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 6.4°C (8:45 AM CET on February 05, 2013). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 85%. Dew Point: 4.0°C. Windchill: 4.0°C. Pressure: 29.77 in 1008 hPa (Falling). |
| 07:47 | magnuse | @wunder boo |
| 07:47 | huginn | magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is -1.0°C (8:20 AM CET on February 05, 2013). Conditions: Light Snow. Humidity: 80%. Dew Point: -4.0°C. Windchill: -5.0°C. Pressure: 29.00 in 982 hPa (Steady). |
| 07:47 | cait | overcast turns out to be super windy and raining |
| 07:47 | magnuse | :-( |
| 07:47 | @wunder marseille | |
| 07:47 | huginn | magnuse: The current temperature in Marseille, France is 8.0°C (8:30 AM CET on February 05, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 87%. Dew Point: 6.0°C. Windchill: 6.0°C. Pressure: 30.06 in 1018 hPa (Steady). |
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| 07:59 | francharb | hi |
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| 08:28 | rangi | evening |
| 08:28 | magnuse | kia ora! |
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| 08:35 | kf | good morning #koha |
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| 09:01 | mtj | hi reiveune francharb rangi magnuse kf |
| 09:01 | reiveune | hi mtj |
| 09:02 | magnuse | kia ora mtj et al |
| 09:02 | francharb | hi mtj |
| 09:02 | kf | hi mtj :) |
| 09:49 | magnuse | lesson learned: some people can't access port 8080 |
| 09:49 | kf | ah |
| 09:50 | I had lots of trouble with that when doing presentations in various institutions | |
| 09:50 | magnuse | yeah |
| 09:50 | better to not use 8080 at all, methinks | |
| 09:51 | kf | we changed our demo installations to run on 80 and 443 only |
| 09:52 | having different ports for production is nice, because you can limit ip adress access for intranet in the firewall | |
| 09:56 | magnuse | ooh, good point |
| 10:03 | there is no way to customize the text on /cgi-bin/koha/opac-user.pl, right? where it says "Don't have a password yet?" etc | |
| 10:04 | the text you see when yo uare not logged in , i mean | |
| 10:05 | kf | I have done it with jquery |
| 10:05 | I coudl show you an example? | |
| 10:06 | magnuse | yes please! |
| 10:06 | * magnuse | should have thought about that... |
| 10:06 | kf | look for the comment /* Anmeldung, the 2 lines below that |
| 10:07 | hm interesting | |
| 10:07 | wahanui | i heard interesting was sometimes good and sometimes bad |
| 10:07 | magnuse | yup, got it |
| 10:07 | kf | the text vanished |
| 10:07 | magnuse | kf++ |
| 10:07 | kf | oh wrong cataog, that explains |
| 10:07 | magnuse | hehe |
| 10:08 | might be an idea to turn that area into a syspref... | |
| 10:08 | (kf will say it can't be translated then, which is of course correct) | |
| 10:08 | :-) | |
| 10:09 | kf | magnuse: true, she will say that |
| 10:09 | want an example for "translated" jquery? :) | |
| 10:09 | magnuse | yes please? |
| 10:10 | we could also have the syspref be a tt fragment and evaluate it in the template | |
| 10:10 | kf | I think what we'd need is some kind of control structure |
| 10:11 | but it might beesier to just integrate it in the news system? | |
| 10:11 | that is supposed to do what we want... but we are still missing a standard language definition to be used as a proper fallback | |
| 10:11 | magnuse | then we coul dhave this in the syspref: [% IF language = de-DE %]Guten tag[% ELSE %]Hello[% END %] |
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| 11:12 | kf | hi drojf :) |
| 11:13 | drojf | hi kf :) |
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| 12:21 | kf | quiet day on #koha |
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| 12:33 | jcamins | Good morning, #koha. |
| 12:34 | kf | welcome back! |
| 12:34 | wahanui | I was trapped in a maze of twisty, turny passages, all alike. |
| 12:34 | kf | wahanui: not you. |
| 12:34 | wahanui | kf: huh? |
| 12:34 | jcamins | Hehe. |
| 12:35 | kf | back home safe and sound? :) |
| 12:35 | jcamins | Yup. |
| 12:35 | kf | :) |
| 12:35 | yay! | |
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| 12:38 | drojf | back |
| 12:38 | kf | drojf: see who is back from vacation! |
| 12:38 | :P | |
| 12:38 | jcamins: is myshkin around too? | |
| 12:39 | jcamins | Nope. |
| 12:39 | kf | oooh :( |
| 12:41 | drojf | myshkin is still on vacation? i picture him sitting somewhere with a hat and a cocktail glass. with a little cocktail umbrella (no idea what they are called in english, probably not that) |
| 12:41 | jcamins | Cocktail umbrellas. :) |
| 12:41 | drojf | ha. languages, so easy |
| 12:41 | jcamins | Hehe. |
| 12:41 | kf | drojf: and a toothpick with a mouse in the cocktail? *ew* |
| 12:41 | drojf | lol |
| 12:41 | jcamins | Hehe. |
| 12:46 | * jcamins | prepares to flex his RM muscles. |
| 12:48 | kf | heh |
| 12:48 | scary | |
| 12:49 | jcamins | Hey, do you know where that chart showing bug statuses is? |
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| 12:55 | tcohen | good morning |
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| 13:02 | kf | jcamins: hmm |
| 13:02 | jcamins: look on the gbsd wiki pages | |
| 13:03 | jcamins | Where would I find them? |
| 13:03 | kf | look for gbsd in the wiki? |
| 13:03 | :) | |
| 13:03 | gbsd? | |
| 13:03 | wahanui | gbsd is, like, Global Bug Squashing Day |
| 13:03 | jcamins | What am I looking for? |
| 13:03 | I see a whole bunch. | |
| 13:03 | The last one in November. | |
| 13:04 | kf | http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]ug_squashing_week |
| 13:04 | jcamins | Oh. |
| 13:04 | Right. | |
| 13:04 | Sorry, I forgot my question. | |
| 13:04 | kf | jcamins: are you sure the vacation was a good idea? |
| 13:04 | jcamins | lol |
| 13:04 | * kf | hides |
| 13:04 | jcamins | Right now I am writing a message about the 3.12 timeline. |
| 13:05 | And fortifying my office against the waves of protest that will follow. | |
| 13:05 | kf | now you made me curious :) |
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| 13:22 | * jcamins | does a duck-and-cover drill. |
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| 13:27 | jcamins | @later tell rangi Could you please run updatedatabase on jenkins. |
| 13:27 | huginn | jcamins: The operation succeeded. |
| 13:27 | jcamins | @later tell rangi Could you please add a 3.14 version to Bugzilla? |
| 13:27 | huginn | jcamins: The operation succeeded. |
| 13:31 | kf | jcamins: now you stole my idea :) |
| 13:32 | oleonard | Hi everybody |
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| 13:32 | kf | hi oleonard :) |
| 13:36 | nengard | hiya oleonard and all |
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| 13:53 | khall | wizzyrea: can you SO the QA followup on bug 5790 ? |
| 13:53 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5790 normal, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Needs Signoff , Deleting a biblio should alert/fail if there are existent subscriptions and holds |
| 13:53 | kf | khall: she is asleep .) |
| 13:54 | khall | that's kind of what I figured ; ) |
| 13:54 | do we have a bot here that supports @later ? | |
| 13:54 | jcamins | Yeah, huginn. |
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| 13:54 | khall | thanks! |
| 13:54 | kf | @later tell khall boo |
| 13:54 | huginn | kf: The operation succeeded. |
| 13:55 | khall | @later tell wizzyrea can you SO the QA followup on bug 5790? |
| 13:55 | huginn | khall: The operation succeeded. |
| 13:55 | khall | ahh! |
| 13:55 | oleonard | All the Koha timeline events I put in my calendar get automatically scheduled for 3:12PM |
| 13:55 | * khall | frightens easily |
| 13:55 | kf | hehe |
| 13:56 | oleonard: lol | |
| 13:56 | not a bad time :) | |
| 13:57 | oleonard | Feature freeze is coming up quite soon. Time does fly. |
| 13:57 | khall | jcamins, thanks for the push update, I kind of figured I just had to wait a but |
| 13:57 | s/but/bit/ | |
| 13:57 | magnuse | hehe |
| 13:59 | gah. i had my sip2 client code talking nicely to the koha sip2 server on thursday. today all i cen get out of the server is "new Sip::MsgType: Skipping message '63' unsupported by protocol rev. '1'". what the dickens? | |
| 13:59 | jcamins | magnuse: eww. |
| 13:59 | What SIP2 client? | |
| 13:59 | magnuse | the one i'm writing ;-) |
| 13:59 | jcamins | Why are you writing a SIP2 client? |
| 13:59 | magnuse | just checking the usernames/passwords |
| 14:00 | Dyrcona | magnuse: Why reinvent the wheel? http://git.mvlcstaff.org/?p=ts[…]IP2.git;a=summary |
| 14:00 | magnuse | i'm working on an ebook thing that will authenticate users against ILSes using SIP2 |
| 14:00 | i am leeching off some code dpavlin wrote | |
| 14:01 | khall | magnuse, this may help http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9288 |
| 14:01 | magnuse | thanks Dyrcona, but perl is my weapon of choice... |
| 14:01 | huginn | 04Bug 9288: enhancement, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Needs Signoff , Add a script to test SIP from the command line |
| 14:01 | khall | it would be really nice to have a SIP2 Client module in CPAN |
| 14:02 | magnuse | it would! |
| 14:02 | i was mildly shocked to find there wasn't one already | |
| 14:02 | * Dyrcona | wishes Standard Interchange Protocol would just die already. |
| 14:02 | magnuse | Dyrcona: yup |
| 14:02 | here's the code i have been using: https://github.com/dpavlin/Biblio-SIP2 | |
| 14:03 | as i said it was working nicely on thursday | |
| 14:03 | today the server seems to insist on not using sip v. 2 | |
| 14:04 | drojf | do i need ICU to search french î? or is that a matter of improper mapping file? |
| 14:05 | jcamins | drojf: you should not. |
| 14:06 | kf | jcamins: maybe if it's not mapped to i you need to add it? |
| 14:06 | jcamins | kf: maybe. |
| 14:07 | kf | oleonard++ for working on bootstrap |
| 14:07 | drojf | that's what i meant with improper mapping file. i'll see what is in there |
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| 14:07 | drojf | i remember doing one for german as there was none. and nobody signed off on it :P |
| 14:08 | kf | drojf: why are you not using icu? |
| 14:08 | oleonard | kf: I'm going to dump a big pile of patches on you if the first couple from bug 9420 get pushed |
| 14:08 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9420 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Signed Off , Work on Bootstrap for Koha |
| 14:08 | drojf | kf: we do on the test server but not on the other, test-but-one-day-productive server |
| 14:09 | kf | hm |
| 14:09 | that is not exactly an explanation :) | |
| 14:09 | drojf | not my call… |
| 14:09 | nobody listens to me | |
| 14:09 | or something like that | |
| 14:09 | ^^ | |
| 14:09 | kf | oleonard: could I ask you for a bug list with the right sequence maybe? :) |
| 14:10 | drojf: do it the sneaky way? :P | |
| 14:10 | drojf | i don't understand the one thing after the other approach some people use |
| 14:10 | i can very well do a lot of things at a… OH LOOK a squirrel!!! | |
| 14:10 | oleonard | kf: I haven't filed separate bugs for each patch, but I could. The order should not matter once the first couple are pushed. |
| 14:11 | kf | ok, so what was the first couple again? I am going to write myself a big note |
| 14:12 | ah right | |
| 14:12 | 9420 | |
| 14:12 | bug 9420 | |
| 14:12 | and the other was acq navigation, right? | |
| 14:13 | * kf | is a bit confused today, sorry |
| 14:13 | oleonard | Yes |
| 14:14 | kf | ok :) |
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| 15:02 | magnuse | oh for crying out loud. all my sip2 woes were caused by my updating the code of the koha installation, but not running the web installer to do the upgrades. so what i was seeing was the sip2 equivalent of the "maintenance" sign in the opac... i think i'll go to bed now... |
| 15:03 | kf | lol |
| 15:03 | bit early? :) | |
| 15:03 | magnuse | yeah... |
| 15:03 | * kf | hands you a cookie |
| 15:04 | kf | note it down somewhere, so it won't be a problem next time :) |
| 15:04 | magnuse | thanks for the cookie |
| 15:05 | now i have forgotten what i catually wanted to work on today... | |
| 15:05 | oleonard | Signing off on lots of patches? |
| 15:05 | kf | organize gbsd? :) |
| 15:08 | libsysguy | kf http://jira.koha-ils.com/browse/KOHA |
| 15:08 | drojf | so it's called KOHA in your proprietary system? :P |
| 15:09 | kf | you shouldn't do KOHA |
| 15:09 | libsysguy | thats the unique key |
| 15:11 | kf | it's a bit irritating it shows the oldest versions first everywhere |
| 15:11 | libsysguy | ah yeah, I'm sure there is a setting for that |
| 15:11 | I was actually pointing out the graph | |
| 15:12 | kf | hm |
| 15:12 | which tab was that? when I click your link now it always brings me to "agile" because I was looking around a bit | |
| 15:12 | ah summary | |
| 15:12 | libsysguy | ah yes summary |
| 15:12 | kf | yeah it's building up |
| 15:13 | but we also got more developers and people..., only not more sign-offers | |
| 15:14 | hm well you might just have wanted to point out that it#s a nice graph :) | |
| 15:14 | libsysguy | I guess it was known that sign-offs have slipped, I just didn't know the gap was growing like that |
| 15:15 | jcamins | Yup. |
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| 15:15 | chris_n | cat quot of the day: "To err is human. To purr, feline" |
| 15:17 | drojf | @seen mveron |
| 15:17 | huginn | drojf: mveron was last seen in #koha 3 weeks, 1 day, 7 hours, 46 minutes, and 17 seconds ago: <mveron> BRB |
| 15:17 | drojf | lol |
| 15:18 | it's been quite a while for "brb" | |
| 15:18 | jcamins | drojf: he inadvertantly fell through a temporal rift and is going to reappear in a few weeks unaware that it's been months. |
| 15:19 | drojf | we should send out those facebooky "where are you? your bugs are missing you. maybe you know 9876, 8765 or eight other bugs?" emails |
| 15:19 | jcamins | Heh. |
| 15:19 | bug 9876 | |
| 15:19 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9876 was not found. |
| 15:19 | jcamins | bug 8765 |
| 15:19 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8765 minor, P5 - low, ---, dcook, RESOLVED FIXED, Add series title to intranet search results (non XSLT) |
| 15:19 | drojf | i improvised ;) |
| 15:19 | jcamins | I gathered. |
| 15:19 | drojf | :) |
| 15:19 | jcamins | Eventually. |
| 15:21 | drojf | there sure is a lot of enhancement bugs waiting. people should spend more time fixing stuff ;) |
| 15:26 | jcamins | drojf: or at least ushering the enhancements already submitted through. |
| 15:27 | libsysguy | jcamins, kf I've canceled any of the atlassian software related to koha and shutdown the server |
| 15:28 | sorry for causing a fuss | |
| 15:30 | kf | libsysguy: :( |
| 15:31 | oleonard | Nobody's opposed to trying to address workflow issues libsysguy, we're just opposed to doing it using non-FOSS software |
| 15:32 | kf | libsysguy: I didn't want to discourage you :( |
| 15:32 | oleonard | libsysguy: You seem to have ideas about how we can improve our workflow. Are they all tied to software, or are there issue that can be addressed organizationally? |
| 15:32 | libsysguy | I know, but after seeing what rangi went through with gerrit |
| 15:32 | I just don't want to try | |
| 15:32 | oleonard | ? |
| 15:33 | libsysguy | I would like to work on the review process |
| 15:33 | oleonard | "what rangi went through with gerrit?" |
| 15:33 | jcamins | Okay... |
| 15:33 | I have a question. | |
| 15:33 | libsysguy | he pushed with gerrit adoption |
| 15:33 | and didn't really get anywhere | |
| 15:33 | shoot jcamins | |
| 15:34 | oleonard | Shooting jcamins won't solve anything |
| 15:34 | libsysguy | hehe |
| 15:34 | jcamins | Why does the jQuery documentation suggest things like $(element).load if the only object that handles .load is $(window)? |
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| 15:34 | libsysguy | a backporting failure? |
| 15:34 | jcamins | If I'd *known* that that was the only object with a .load event that triggers, I wouldn't have bothered with anything else first! |
| 15:35 | libsysguy | lol well maybe they make money on a per keystroke basis |
| 15:35 | jcamins | lol |
| 15:35 | oleonard | jcamins: used on which element? |
| 15:36 | jcamins | oleonard: I tried it on an img element, then a div, then document. |
| 15:36 | oleonard | The warnings about img are pretty big (http://api.jquery.com/load-event/) but it does imply you can use it elsewhere |
| 15:36 | jcamins | Yeah. |
| 15:36 | I saw the warnings. | |
| 15:37 | kf | jcamins: what are you trying to do? |
| 15:37 | oleonard | jcamins: Is it documentation or experience that tells you it doesn't actually work on others? |
| 15:37 | jcamins | But I was hoping to get around the fact that ajaxStop doesn't seem to get triggered. |
| 15:37 | Experience. | |
| 15:37 | Hard won, miserably endured. | |
| 15:37 | oleonard | Deprecated in 1.8 anyway... |
| 15:37 | Dyrcona | Heh... |
| 15:38 | oleonard | jcamins: What about .ready() ? |
| 15:38 | jcamins | oleonard: .ready() fires before AJAX requests are completed. |
| 15:38 | And .ajaxStop doesn't do anything that I can find. | |
| 15:39 | Unless maybe I put .ajaxStop inside .ready? | |
| 15:39 | drojf | the one thing i learned about jquery the last days is that it is very persistent and backwards compatible. not. :( |
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| 15:41 | alohabot | Hi mib_7uw2es, Welcome to #koha. Feel free to use the '/nick yourname' command to choose a different name. alohabot, wahanui, and huginn are bots. If you need any help, just ask - there's usually someone around to help :) |
| 15:41 | jcamins | See, http://api.jquery.com/ajaxStop/ <-- that example never gets triggered. |
| 15:43 | kf | people, stop complaining and eat cookies :) |
| 15:43 | jcamins | Well, problem solved with $(window).load() |
| 15:44 | chris_n | did someone say cookies? |
| 15:45 | kf | hey chris_n :) |
| 15:46 | chris_n | heya kf |
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| 16:05 | kf | wahanui: 90-04095802 |
| 16:05 | wahanui | kf: what? |
| 16:05 | kf | 3/2 |
| 16:05 | wahanui: 2/2 | |
| 16:05 | wahanui | 1 |
| 16:05 | kf | wahanui: 90-4095802 |
| 16:05 | wahanui | -4095712 |
| 16:06 | drojf | wahanui: get me some food |
| 16:06 | wahanui | drojf: what? |
| 16:06 | oleonard | kf: No cheating on your math homework! |
| 16:06 | drojf | wahanui: now that you ask… not sure. gluten free kebab? |
| 16:06 | wahanui | drojf: bugger all, i dunno |
| 16:06 | kf | oleonard: oooh |
| 16:06 | chris_n | wahanui: tan(45) |
| 16:06 | wahanui | chris_n: what? |
| 16:07 | chris_n | I guess wahanui never got to trig |
| 16:07 | drojf | wahanui: kebab² |
| 16:07 | wahanui | drojf: sorry... |
| 16:07 | kf | wahanui: 4%3 |
| 16:07 | wahanui | 0.052 |
| 16:07 | oleonard | wahanui probably switched to art class like I did |
| 16:07 | wahanui | oleonard: what? |
| 16:07 | kf | that doesn't look right? |
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| 16:10 | chris_n | no, 4%3 is 1 |
| 16:10 | sorry wahanui | |
| 16:10 | go back to painting | |
| 16:12 | jcamins | 4 \ 3 |
| 16:12 | wahanui: 4 \ 2 | |
| 16:12 | wahanui | jcamins: excuse me? |
| 16:12 | jcamins | wahanui: 4 \ 3 |
| 16:12 | wahanui | jcamins: sorry... |
| 16:12 | jcamins | wahanui: 4 / 3 |
| 16:12 | wahanui | 1.33333333333333 |
| 16:12 | jcamins | wahanui: 4 // 3 |
| 16:12 | wahanui | 4 |
| 16:12 | jcamins | wahanui: 4 mod 3 |
| 16:12 | wahanui | jcamins: i'm not following you... |
| 16:13 | oleonard | wahanui: Why was 6 afraid of 7? |
| 16:13 | wahanui | oleonard: i haven't a clue |
| 16:13 | jcamins | lol |
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| 17:00 | drojf | people who bought "please provide step by step instructions" on the web also bought "can you do it for me?" in real life |
| 17:01 | * drojf | feels ranty |
| 17:01 | jcamins | lol |
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| 17:05 | kf | $Caitli |
| 17:05 | ignore that :) | |
| 17:05 | * oleonard | feels ranty about patches without test plans |
| 17:05 | oleonard | Even the small patches need test plans! |
| 17:05 | kf | people, stop ranting, eat more cookies. |
| 17:06 | * oleonard | rants while eating cookies, sprays crumbs on his keyboard |
| 17:06 | kf | lol |
| 17:12 | nengard | you need one of those keyboard vacuums |
| 17:17 | drojf | usb powered? |
| 17:17 | nengard | yes |
| 17:17 | http://www.amazon.com/Vacuum-C[…]uct/dp/B000MVD55E | |
| 17:17 | :) | |
| 17:18 | drojf | lol |
| 17:18 | nengard | you've never seen that? |
| 17:19 | jcamins | lol |
| 17:19 | I hadn't. | |
| 17:20 | oleonard | Useful for a laptop I guess. I just take this desktop keyboard apart and bathe it. |
| 17:20 | drojf | me neither. i expected its existance, still it's funny to actually see it being sold :) |
| 17:21 | nengard | :) hehe |
| 17:21 | There are more funny ones on thinkigeek | |
| 17:21 | thinkgeek | |
| 17:24 | kf | bye all :) |
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| 17:48 | drojf | my kingdom for a mini usb cable. or is it micro? |
| 17:48 | * oleonard | offers one of his 5 |
| 17:49 | jcamins | We have a chronic shortage. |
| 17:50 | * oleonard | blames jcamins' cats |
| 17:50 | drojf | i have some at home. but to get there i would like to put more music on my music player here and now :( |
| 17:51 | i need wireless usb | |
| 17:51 | jcamins | You mean... bluetooth? :P |
| 17:51 | drojf | heh maybe. maybe there are little-usb dongles |
| 17:52 | rangi | jcamins: done and done |
| 17:53 | drojf | »Persona. Simplified sign-in«. cool. just can't login |
| 17:53 | rangi: have you visited the dev part of the mozilla marketplace by any chance? | |
| 17:54 | rangi | yep |
| 17:54 | that reminds me, i have to finish my persona code for koha before march 15 | |
| 17:54 | drojf | hm. i get a popup that says "connecting to persona" and nothing ever happens |
| 17:55 | i can login directly to persona though. just don't use it for anything :D | |
| 17:55 | s/don't/not/ | |
| 17:56 | rangi | hmm i just logged in ok |
| 17:56 | jcamins | rangi: thanks. |
| 17:56 | drojf | strange. i even turned off all adblockers, cookie stuff, script blockers etc |
| 17:56 | rangi | weird |
| 17:57 | speaking of apps | |
| 17:58 | updated version of kiritaki koha just came out | |
| 17:58 | jcamins: i switched 3.4 to inactive too | |
| 17:58 | jcamins | Thanks! |
| 18:05 | * jcamins | successfully tied an Eldredge knot! |
| 18:05 | jcamins | Much easier than a bowtie. |
| 18:10 | It's not the right kind of tie for an Eldredge knot, but it's still pretty awesome. | |
| 18:12 | drojf | rangi: works in safe mode. looks like it does not like one of my extensions |
| 18:12 | * magnuse | finally groks the last part of his sip2 puzzle and calls it a day before he can discover anything wrong with the solution |
| 18:13 | drojf | oh wow, 100 pages of TOS |
| 18:14 | oleonard | So, shorter than average drojf? |
| 18:15 | drojf | lol |
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| 18:17 | * cait | waves |
| 18:18 | * chris_n | hands jcamins a gordian knot |
| 18:22 | drojf | ha. firefox os is not even released and has more apps than webos ever got |
| 18:23 | rangi | heh |
| 18:23 | morning | |
| 18:23 | * rangi | gets up to feed the horde |
| 18:24 | cait | morning |
| 18:25 | * chris_n | offers to help rangi carry the zillion nearly-empty boxes of cereal to the table |
| 18:26 | * drojf | packs and heads home |
| 18:32 | libsysguy | hey jcamins |
| 18:32 | I heard back from index data | |
| 18:32 | they recommend writing mapping files from PQF -CCL | |
| 18:33 | cait | hm? |
| 18:33 | jcamins | libsysguy: ... that makes no sense at all. |
| 18:35 | pastebot | "libsysguy" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "indexdata" (7 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/379 |
| 18:35 | libsysguy | there you go |
| 18:35 | jcamins | Hm. |
| 18:35 | I see. | |
| 18:35 | Okay, metaproxy ftw. | |
| 18:36 | libsysguy | thats kind of what I'm thinking |
| 18:37 | jcamins | If they're saying "you need to map from unambiguous to ambiguous so we can re-map it to unambiguous," better to just go with an unambiguous-unambiguous mapping. |
| 18:39 | libsysguy | so paz expects ambiguous |
| 18:39 | meta expects unambiguous | |
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| 18:40 | jcamins | Right. |
| 18:41 | * libsysguy | should start removing paz from master |
| 18:41 | cait | shouldn't we have something working before we remove something? |
| 18:42 | * libsysguy | is just messing around |
| 18:42 | libsysguy | but paz doesn't work anyway |
| 18:42 | jcamins | cait: pazpar2 doesn't work. |
| 18:42 | libsysguy | its just sitting there hogging up disc space |
| 18:42 | cait | I think rangi had it working not too long ago |
| 18:42 | so maybe don't kick it out yet | |
| 18:42 | jcamins | I did too. |
| 18:42 | libsysguy | I asked |
| 18:43 | jcamins | rangi clarified that the Pazpar2 code in Koha was broken, and he wrote a proof-of-concept not using that code. |
| 18:43 | libsysguy | I think he said it wasn't working anymore |
| 18:43 | yeah that | |
| 18:43 | wahanui | rumour has it yeah that is fine as it is |
| 18:43 | libsysguy | wahanui forget yeah that |
| 18:43 | wahanui | libsysguy: I forgot yeah that |
| 18:43 | jcamins | And I said "jeez, wth do we have the code, then, if it has never functioned?" And his response was something like "I don't need to tell you that." |
| 18:43 | He was right. | |
| 18:44 | libsysguy | jcamins is a fast learner |
| 18:45 | so if I were to enter an enh for this | |
| 18:45 | could I say, replace pazpar2 with metaproxy? | |
| 18:45 | or should I have one for remove pazpar2 and one for adding meta | |
| 18:46 | jcamins | I have no problem with a combined enhancement. |
| 18:46 | Grr. | |
| 18:47 | I really wish I knew my PIN for the local library's catalog. | |
| 18:47 | libsysguy | 7777? |
| 18:47 | jcamins | Wow. |
| 18:47 | I figured it out. | |
| 18:47 | It only took... | |
| 18:47 | thirty... | |
| 18:47 | tries. | |
| 18:48 | libsysguy | they let you try 30 times and didn't lock you out? |
| 18:48 | geez | |
| 18:48 | oleonard | Uh... |
| 18:48 | jcamins | libsysguy: I've been trying twice every few days for the last six months.\ |
| 18:49 | libsysguy | oh wowza |
| 18:53 | rangi | we dont lock people out |
| 18:53 | if someone wanted to add that as a syspref, that would be cool, on by default for new installs, off for upgrades | |
| 18:54 | oleonard | rangi said it, so somebody better go do it! |
| 18:54 | * oleonard | snaps his fingers impatiently |
| 18:55 | * libsysguy | is already rewriting searching |
| 18:55 | jcamins | libsysguy: you are rewriting metasearch. |
| 18:55 | libsysguy | ^^ this |
| 18:55 | jcamins is rewriting searching | |
| 18:55 | :p | |
| 18:56 | jcamins | Exactly. |
| 18:56 | Hey... I could take out a book with Overdrive. | |
| 18:56 | Oh, wait. | |
| 18:57 | * jcamins | chuckles. I'm so funny. |
| 18:57 | jcamins | I wonder how many books I can request at a time... |
| 18:57 | libsysguy | none, they are all already checked out |
| 18:57 | at least that has been my experience with it | |
| 18:58 | oleonard | And because it's an electronic file, only one person can view it at a time. |
| 18:58 | * oleonard | gets in line behind 38,000,000 other people to use Google |
| 18:58 | rangi | i think overdrive |
| 18:58 | jcamins | libsysguy: I meant paper books. |
| 18:58 | rangi | is an example of why libraries are in trouble |
| 18:59 | 'oh it sux, it's horrible for our borrowers .. meh lets do it anyway' | |
| 18:59 | jcamins | After I finished cracking myself up, I went ahead and requested a book I could actually read. |
| 18:59 | libsysguy | I need metadata searching for dummies |
| 18:59 | jcamins | What was the other book I wanted? |
| 19:00 | Something non-fiction-y. | |
| 19:00 | Oh well. | |
| 19:01 | rangi | oh, and lets throw a ton of cash down the discovery layer hole too while we are creating things that don't actually help people |
| 19:01 | * jcamins | is very excited about learning the 85 ways to tie a tie. |
| 19:02 | rangi | heh |
| 19:02 | jcamins | Queens Library's discovery layer did not prevent me from requesting the book. |
| 19:02 | Though it did freeze when I tried to do a search. | |
| 19:02 | oleonard | rangi: Do you think libraries should be pursuing alternate ways of lending ebooks, or do you think ebooks are part of the problem? |
| 19:02 | rangi | the former |
| 19:02 | wahanui | rumour has it the former is much more complicated |
| 19:03 | oleonard | wahanui has it right there :) |
| 19:03 | wahanui | oleonard: huh? |
| 19:03 | huginn | New commit(s) kohagit: Merge branch 'bug_9509' into 3.12-master <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]8e9e0f4773b394f4c> / Bug 9509 - batchMod.pl does not ensure each barcode is unique <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]b289bc9d3bbf10ab0> |
| 19:03 | jenkins_koha | Starting build #1035 for job Koha_master (previous build: UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #1033 4 days 1 hr ago) |
| 19:03 | rangi | yep its not an easy problem, and they would have to break a habit formed over years and years |
| 19:04 | and actually call vendors on their bullshit publicly | |
| 19:04 | while loudly applauding publishers like Tor who provide drm free ebooks | |
| 19:04 | you'd think something like ALA would do it | |
| 19:05 | but they spend time arguing about streaming the council meetings instead | |
| 19:05 | </rant> | |
| 19:06 | jcamins | rangi: ALA... the organization that claims that there's an impending librarian shortage? |
| 19:06 | rangi: hey! Would you like a piece of the Brooklyn Bridge? | |
| 19:06 | rangi | heh |
| 19:07 | oleonard | If you had to know how to use the tab key to move between form fields to qualify there really would be a librarian shortage. |
| 19:07 | rangi | you know whats even worse than offering overdrive |
| 19:07 | its doing it outside of your catalogue | |
| 19:07 | jcamins | oleonard: granted. |
| 19:08 | rangi | so the library just becomes a patron database for overdrive to use |
| 19:09 | ive seen that a lot :( | |
| 19:09 | cait | yeah that's bad :( |
| 19:09 | jcamins | Oh... at least Overdrive is apparently now offering books that can be read on e-readers. |
| 19:10 | However, I can have the paper books in the time it takes to mail a book from Flushing. | |
| 19:10 | The ebook would take about... | |
| 19:10 | two months. | |
| 19:12 | rangi | heh that's awesome |
| 19:28 | oleonard | Batch patron deletion... Does it work? Did I already ask this? |
| 19:28 | jcamins | oleonard: it did when I tested it. |
| 19:28 | cait | oleonard: I haven't needed it yet I am afraid - so don't know |
| 19:30 | oleonard | I get a gateway time-out when I test it in my VM |
| 19:30 | jcamins | Odd. |
| 19:33 | rangi | if it takes a while, you will get that, if its not working in the background, like stage marc import |
| 19:34 | all those things like patron import, batch changes etc, would work a lot more reliably if we backgrounded them using the same technique | |
| 19:34 | jcamins | That's the idea behind C4::Service or C4::BackgroundJob or whatever. |
| 19:40 | oleonard | I guess we don't have a cron job for it |
| 19:41 | rangi | yep |
| 20:10 | jenkins_koha | Project Koha_master build #1035: STILL UNSTABLE in 1 hr 7 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]Koha_master/1035/ |
| 20:10 | kyle: Bug 9509 - batchMod.pl does not ensure each barcode is unique | |
| 20:10 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9509 normal, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Pushed to Master , batchMod.pl does not ensure each barcode is unique |
| 20:11 | jcamins | Still unstable? |
| 20:11 | wahanui | unstable is probably sid |
| 20:11 | jcamins | I'd like to know why XISBN fails randomly. |
| 20:14 | rangi | jcamins: network to thingxisbn i think |
| 20:14 | jcamins | Ah. Makes sense. |
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| 20:16 | cait | hi BobB :) |
| 20:16 | BobB | hi cait |
| 20:17 | early morning here, still bleary eyed. :) | |
| 20:17 | rangi | !jenkins build koha_master now |
| 20:17 | jenkins_koha | rangi: job koha_master build scheduled now |
| 20:17 | Starting build #1036 for job Koha_master (previous build: STILL UNSTABLE -- last SUCCESS #1033 4 days 3 hr ago) | |
| 20:18 | cait | BobB: and getting late here... can feel the day |
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| 20:22 | jcamins | LibreOffice is now using gerrit. |
| 20:25 | How do you find out which tags have a particular commit? | |
| 20:27 | senator | git tag --contains <commit> |
| 20:27 | jcamins | Thanks! |
| 20:27 | cait | oh |
| 20:27 | I should note that somewhere :) | |
| 20:27 | useful | |
| 20:27 | oleonard | Who says our nation's Congress isn't tech-savvy? |
| 20:27 | jcamins | oleonard: uh-oh. |
| 20:28 | senator | :-) |
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| 20:38 | drojf | is bug 9381 a valid bug? i don't see wgat is there to test. we know the translation functionality works |
| 20:38 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9381 trivial, P5 - low, ---, bgkriegel, Needs Signoff , Add Catalan language |
| 20:38 | jcamins | Yes. |
| 20:39 | drojf | ah i did not see the attachment and was confused what to do :) |
| 20:39 | jcamins | :) |
| 20:41 | drojf | »Depends: EEEK: unknown package for Data::Pagination« lol is that supposed to look like that? |
| 20:42 | oleonard | Huh... How long have we had a "clone this bug" link in Bugzilla? |
| 20:42 | drojf | i have never seen it. where is it? |
| 20:42 | ah | |
| 20:42 | i foun dit | |
| 20:44 | do we have a "add 'needs a test plan' to every bug" button? | |
| 20:44 | jcamins | drojf: building a package? |
| 20:46 | drojf | jcamins: it's in the patch for bug 8806 |
| 20:46 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8806 minor, P5 - low, ---, robin, Needs Signoff , Debian packaging updates |
| 20:46 | jcamins | Ah. |
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| 21:17 | glawson_ | So yesterday an asteroid entered earth's atmosphere and scattered Kr-band ionizing rays over the world, and none of our Windows XP computers would connect to Koha or Google. |
| 21:18 | Network/koha problem you know, and of course, I was off work yesterday. | |
| 21:18 | jcamins | lol |
| 21:18 | glawson_ | http://thenextweb.com/apps/201[…]dows-xp-machines/ |
| 21:18 | drojf | windows + xp + antivirus sounds like a good combination |
| 21:19 | glawson_ | However, at our remote branch I have a single user running Linux Mint, and her computer ran just fine all day and saved the world as they know it from total meltdown. |
| 21:19 | jcamins | glawson_: huh! I thought it was just that the old XP computer we have plugged into our TV sucks. |
| 21:19 | glawson_ | hey, how'd I get to be me? |
| 21:20 | jcamins | I uninstalled Kaspersky and installed the Microsoft alternative and it worked fine. |
| 21:21 | rambutan | I had to do that on three machines. The others I just kept beating Kaspersky with updates. Sometimes it would only install one or two, and I'd reboot, get another 1-2 to load, lather, rinse, repeat |
| 21:21 | If I could get a complete Kaspersky update to finish the those machines were OK> | |
| 21:21 | . | |
| 21:22 | jcamins | I didn't know there was an actual problem. |
| 21:22 | rambutan | Fortunately, fortunately, in my absence they didn't try to reboot Koha endlessly. |
| 21:23 | jcamins | I'd laugh appreciatively, but I know you're serious. |
| 21:24 | rambutan | well, thinkgs are ok now, but it's been a long day. |
| 21:24 | I need coffee. | |
| 21:24 | drojf | jcamins: what is acqui/addorderiso2409.pl and how do i get there? |
| 21:24 | jenkins_koha | Yippie, build fixed! |
| 21:24 | Project Koha_master build #1036: FIXED in 1 hr 7 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]Koha_master/1036/ | |
| 21:24 | jcamins | drojf: good question. |
| 21:24 | It is... | |
| 21:24 | oh, right. | |
| 21:24 | Adding an item to an order from a staged record. | |
| 21:25 | drojf | staged for… acquisition? where would i do that? i don't see that option |
| 21:27 | * drojf | is an acquisition noob. but i'm trying to spell the word correctly |
| 21:27 | jcamins | Open a basket. |
| 21:27 | At the bottom it says "Add order to basket" | |
| 21:27 | There's a link for "From a staged file." | |
| 21:28 | drojf | ah i see it |
| 21:28 | thanks | |
| 21:31 | cait | :) |
| 21:31 | drojf | hrmgl. no. i still don't get where that file should have been staged. i see no files. i didn't stage any so that is ok i guess |
| 21:31 | cait | drojf: stage a file in tools |
| 21:31 | like you would do for an import | |
| 21:31 | drojf | for importß |
| 21:31 | cait | but don't import it |
| 21:31 | jcamins | Oh, right. You need to stage some files first. |
| 21:31 | drojf | hm i had files there |
| 21:31 | cait | if tey are imported |
| 21:31 | drojf | but i dont see any of them |
| 21:31 | cait | they won't show up |
| 21:31 | drojf | AH! |
| 21:31 | ok | |
| 21:31 | wait | |
| 21:31 | cait | if you undo an import... they will show up again |
| 21:31 | and authority imports show up there accidentally - but i filed a bug for that | |
| 21:31 | drojf | imported and reverted. alright. then i'll find me a nice file |
| 21:32 | cait | drojf: one of my tricks is to send me a cart from opac |
| 21:32 | nice tiny marc file for testing with all the records I want | |
| 21:34 | drojf | ok that shows up, thanks |
| 21:40 | that's a nice functionality i did not know of :) | |
| 21:41 | cait | the staged order? :) |
| 21:41 | drojf | yes |
| 21:42 | and now it could work with plack too. if only someone would qa it ;) | |
| 21:42 | bug 9213 scares me off every time i open it | |
| 21:42 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9213 normal, P5 - low, ---, magnus, Needs Signoff , Implement analytics for NORMARC XSLT |
| 21:43 | drojf | if the test plan does not fit on my screen i probably do not have enough time to follow it |
| 21:43 | jcamins | lol |
| 21:43 | drojf | and then the last sentence is »- Do all of this both for GRS-1 indexing and for DOM indexing...« |
| 21:53 | cait | drojf: you are not afraid of proper tst plans, are you? |
| 22:03 | drojf | i wish i could skip sleep for a week or two. days too short |
| 22:05 | problem is, i feel like i had skipped sleep for a week | |
| 22:06 | BobB | :) .. familiar feeling |
| 22:10 | cait | drojf: oh yes... |
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| 22:18 | rangi | oh joy |
| 22:19 | cait | hm? |
| 22:20 | ah | |
| 22:20 | mailing list? | |
| 22:20 | wahanui | mailing list is at http://koha-community.org/supp[…]ha-mailing-lists/ |
| 22:20 | cait | I don't see how that is not caching? |
| 22:20 | * cait | may be too tired |
| 22:21 | cait | good night #koha :) |
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| 22:21 | jcamins | Caching what? |
| 22:21 | wahanui | hmmm... Caching is good. Caching using module variables is not. |
| 22:22 | rangi | it was the spam |
| 22:22 | someone has been hacked | |
| 22:22 | jcamins | Ah. |
| 22:22 | rangi | however i think we can implement frederircd idea totally clientside |
| 22:23 | using html5 and localstorage or indexdb | |
| 22:23 | i dont think we need to build a new server/service | |
| 22:23 | drojf | jcamins: i don't see these errors in intranet-error.log, or should i look somewhere else? bug 9451 |
| 22:23 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9451 normal, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Needs Signoff , borrower_stats.pl gives off warnings and is not Plack-compatible |
| 22:24 | drojf | heh, rangi speaks firefoxosish |
| 22:24 | make it a cover app | |
| 22:25 | rangi | exactly |
| 22:25 | jcamins | I got those in intranet-error.log. |
| 22:25 | rangi | and it will work fine in modern browsers too |
| 22:25 | drojf | jcamins: then i cannot reproduce it. i could try the plack part anyway, i have oinly tried apache so far |
| 22:26 | jcamins | Oh, that problem occurs only under Plack. |
| 22:26 | drojf | ah, then i misunderstood it, alright then |
| 22:26 | jcamins | The point of the Apache bit was to make sure that it still worked the same. |
| 22:27 | drojf | i read it like in apache it gives warning and under plack its broken |
| 22:27 | edveal | I just submitted a bug report dealing with the ccsr theme. Apparently OPACMobileUserCSS being overriden by OPACUserCSS. |
| 22:28 | drojf | rangi: yes, having a centralized server is the wrong idea for most things and i'm very sure it is for the cover stuff |
| 22:29 | while we're at it, let's make the mobile view an app too | |
| 22:29 | rangi | heh |
| 22:31 | drojf | i have managed to use localstorage once and read half a canvas tutorial this morning. i am fully prepared for the app business :D |
| 22:32 | rangi | he |
| 22:32 | h | |
| 22:32 | localstorage is cool | |
| 22:33 | drojf | indeed. it took me some time to get out the same that i put in but now it works |
| 22:33 | rangi | you totally could store the urls to images in it easily |
| 22:37 | drojf | sure. something like lot's of {"isbn":"http://my.url/path/file.png"}ses should work. or something more sophisticated i have not learned yet |
| 22:37 | rangi | yeah |
| 22:38 | and then a library to conver isbn to asin or whatever | |
| 22:38 | then hit the url if it 404, try the next place, etc | |
| 22:39 | if none are found cache that too | |
| 22:39 | with some kinda timeout thing | |
| 22:39 | drojf | yeah |
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| 22:41 | rangi | that way it can handle local images too |
| 22:42 | and then in the syspref, you just define the priority | |
| 22:42 | ie local first, then openlibary, then google etc | |
| 22:42 | drojf | yeah that should work |
| 22:44 | * jcamins | bounces excitedly on his exercise ball- drojf is making multiple cover images play nice together! |
| 22:44 | drojf | https://hacks.mozilla.org/2012[…]-in-localstorage/ <- heh |
| 22:45 | we can draw the covers in canvas ;) | |
| 22:45 | rangi | heh |
| 22:45 | sweet | |
| 22:46 | im not sure we want to go that far down the rabbit hole tho :) | |
| 22:47 | drojf | :) |
| 22:48 | jcamins | As long as it's drojf going down the rabbit hole, I'm all for it! :P |
| 22:48 | drojf | jcamins: i also don't get the error with plack. it just does the report. i do a statistics wizard-patrons and include my extended attribute. is there something else i am missing? |
| 22:49 | add 'report' somewhere in that sentence | |
| 22:49 | jcamins | I don't think so. |
| 22:49 | I got it every time. | |
| 22:49 | drojf | weird |
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| 23:07 | rambutan | how timely, I was just thinking I needed some Raspberry drops |
| 23:08 | rangi | heh |
| 23:08 | yeah unfortunately its hard for spam filters to catch ppl who are legitimately subscribed to the list and post urls, without stopping almost everyone :) | |
| 23:14 | drojf | i'll take the drops while i wait for the raspberry pi camera module |
| 23:20 | hm. model a needs only 1/3 of the power of model b. but with one usb slot only i cannot power my wifi adapter, otherwise that would scream "raspberry solar koha" ;) | |
| 23:23 | rambutan | 1 usb slot only? the Mod A you mean? |
| 23:23 | drojf | yes |
| 23:24 | http://www.raspberrypi.org/archives/3215 | |
| 23:24 | jcamins | drojf: what's the problem with 1 USB? |
| 23:24 | drojf | jcamins: my wifi dongle needs the power of two it seems |
| 23:25 | jcamins | But one is just power? |
| 23:25 | drojf | ? |
| 23:25 | jcamins | You only need to plug one USB into the computer, right? |
| 23:25 | i.e. the other one could be plugged into a power source? | |
| 23:26 | Like a solar panel? | |
| 23:26 | drojf | ah, yes |
| 23:26 | okok, i'll buy one… :D kidding, maybe later | |
| 23:27 | i suppose they will upgrade model a to 512mb ram in a few months | |
| 23:28 | jcamins | Hehe. |
| 23:29 | drojf | but with one running koha and one running my harddisk and bittorrent… where am i going to plug in the camera? /o\ |
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| 23:31 | dcook | Morning #koha |
| 23:33 | rambutan | I just found the 15pin CSI port for the PiCam |
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| 23:35 | drojf | that camera module is tiny 20x25mm or something. excellent for clumsy people like myself |
| 23:35 | morning dcook | |
| 23:36 | dcook | morning drojf |
| 23:37 | Very early morning, perhaps? :P | |
| 23:37 | drojf | dcook: late evening ;) |
| 23:38 | i think i'm too tired to go to bed | |
| 23:38 | dcook | Gotta love that feeling |
| 23:38 | rambutan | time to go...ltr |
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| 23:40 | dcook | I actually managed to get enough sleep, but 3rd day of work with no air conditioning. 8 hours of 30 degrees...fun times |
| 23:41 | drojf | sounds like it |
| 23:42 | @wunder berlin, germany | |
| 23:42 | huginn | drojf: The current temperature in Prenzlauer Berg, Berlin, Germany is 1.8°C (12:13 AM CET on February 06, 2013). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 70%. Dew Point: -3.0°C. Windchill: -3.0°C. Pressure: 29.44 in 997 hPa (Steady). |
| 23:43 | drojf | heat is definitely not a problem around here :D |
| 23:43 | dcook | Hehe. I was wondering what part of Germany you were in |
| 23:43 | @wunder sydney, australia | |
| 23:43 | huginn | dcook: The current temperature in Sydney, New South Wales is 25.0°C (10:30 AM EST on February 06, 2013). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 44%. Dew Point: 12.0°C. Pressure: 30.15 in 1021 hPa (Steady). |
| 23:43 | bag | @wunder 93102 |
| 23:43 | huginn | bag: The current temperature in Near Mission - TC, Santa Barbara, California is 13.7°C (3:43 PM PST on February 05, 2013). Conditions: Haze. Humidity: 47%. Dew Point: 3.0°C. Pressure: 30.01 in 1016 hPa (Falling). |
| 23:46 | dcook | I suppose it is technically summer here after all, but still! |
| 23:46 | @wunder vancouver, canada | |
| 23:46 | huginn | dcook: The current temperature in Vancouver, British Columbia is 8.0°C (3:00 PM PST on February 05, 2013). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 81%. Dew Point: 5.0°C. Windchill: 5.0°C. Pressure: 29.78 in 1008 hPa (Steady). |
| 23:46 | dcook | That doesn't sound so bad... |
| 23:48 | jcamins | dcook: I guess you're back in Australia? |
| 23:48 | bag | @seen cait |
| 23:48 | huginn | bag: cait was last seen in #koha 1 hour, 27 minutes, and 53 seconds ago: <cait> good night #koha :) |
| 23:48 | dcook | Yep. Got back about a month ago. |
| 23:49 | bag | night night cait |
| 23:49 | dcook | jcamins: are you back in New York or still in California? |
| 23:49 | jcamins | Back in New York. |
| 23:49 | As of last night. | |
| 23:49 | bag | you have a good trip jcamins |
| 23:49 | dcook | Good trip? |
| 23:49 | jcamins | Yeah, very nice. |
| 23:49 | And the weather... | |
| 23:49 | wahanui | the weather is nigh-on perfect here this morning...clear, 65F, supposed to get into the high 80s. Rain possible later in the week. |
| 23:49 | * jcamins | sighs rapturously. |
| 23:50 | bag | did you go up the tram? |
| 23:50 | jcamins | We did not. |
| 23:51 | bag | I haven't |
| 23:51 | jcamins | My grandparents pointed out that we did go up last time I was there. |
| 23:51 | bag | maybe next time I'm there |
| 23:51 | jcamins | I had thought that we had done that on a different trip. |
| 23:51 | bag | AHHH when was that? |
| 23:51 | jcamins | Twelve years ago. |
| 23:51 | It was very nice. | |
| 23:51 | bag | heh |
| 23:52 | grandparents rule btw | |
| 23:53 | jcamins | They sure do! |
| 23:56 | maximep left #koha | |
| 23:56 | jcamins | Hehe. |
| 23:57 | papa joined #koha | |
| 23:58 | drojf | good night #koha |
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