← Previous day | Today | Next day → | Search | Index
All times shown according to UTC.
| Time | Nick | Message |
|---|---|---|
| 00:03 | trea-away left #koha | |
| 01:35 | dcook joined #koha | |
| 01:36 | dcook | Allo #koha |
| 01:37 | rangi | hey dcook |
| 01:39 | dcook | hey rangi |
| 01:39 | Finally decided to actually download a client rather than use mibbit | |
| 01:39 | Not sure I like it :p | |
| 01:39 | rangi | what client are you using? |
| 01:39 | dcook | I probably haven't used mirc in 10 years |
| 01:39 | mIRC | |
| 01:40 | rangi | ahh yeah that is pretty foul |
| 01:40 | you could try xchat | |
| 01:40 | dcook | That's not freeware though, right? |
| 01:40 | rangi | no, its free software |
| 01:41 | http://xchat.org/ | |
| 01:41 | cjh | under linux its open source, under windows its iffy. |
| 01:42 | dcook | Hmm, I'll have to take a quick look |
| 01:42 | rangi | or chatzilla |
| 01:45 | dcook joined #koha | |
| 01:45 | dcook2 left #koha | |
| 01:47 | dcook | Hmm. Not bad. I think mibbit is still nicer, but it's nice not to rely on a browser |
| 01:48 | Thanks for the info, rangi and cjh | |
| 01:48 | wizzyrea | you can also use pidgin, or thunderbird has a built in chat client |
| 01:48 | neither of those are the kind of thing that rangi or eythian would use, but you might find it more ergonomic than mIRC | |
| 01:51 | dcook | mIRC is rather brutal, but xchat isn't too bad |
| 01:52 | Mibbit gives better information about idling/activity and possibly alerting | |
| 01:52 | wizzyrea | all of them are pretty highly configurable in that regard. |
| 01:53 | dcook | Oh? |
| 01:55 | cjh | xchat and pidgin are both quite nice to use. |
| 01:55 | * wizzyrea | liked pidgin for a long time |
| 01:56 | wizzyrea | makes IRC look a lot like normal IM |
| 01:56 | cjh | dcook: you should be able to dig through xchat's settings for that |
| 01:56 | mtj | dcook, i recommend quassel |
| 01:57 | and, … hi all :) | |
| 01:57 | cjh | hey mtj :) |
| 01:57 | wizzyrea | hi mtj :) |
| 01:57 | dcook | hey mtj |
| 01:57 | mtj | quassel even has an optional irc-proxy/irc-bouncer thing, too |
| 01:57 | dcook | Thanks for the recommendation. I think I might stick with xchat at this point though. We've started to bond :p |
| 01:57 | mtj | .. and runs on linux/win32/osx |
| 01:58 | cjh | dcook: under settings->preferences there is an 'alerts' tab, you could play around in there to see if it could behave how you like. |
| 01:59 | dcook | Good call, cjh. I was just starting to look at that :) |
| 01:59 | cjh | the official xchat binary for windows isn't open source, its a try for 30 days thing. |
| 01:59 | dcook | That's what I was thinking... |
| 01:59 | :/ | |
| 01:59 | rangi | yeah but the source is, its lgpl, so there are plenty of builds of it |
| 01:59 | mtj | next... |
| 02:00 | cjh | its apparently to help cover the cost of porting to windows, and there are plenty of unofficial binaries for it. |
| 02:00 | rangi | yep |
| 02:00 | cjh | so the only parts you cant see are any windows-specific black magic. |
| 02:01 | mtj | ive recently seen a bunch of FOSS binaries, as payware - seems to be a trend |
| 02:02 | dcook | I've wondered for a while about FOSS being re-distributed as payware |
| 02:02 | mtj | … but you usually have the option to compile successfully yourself |
| 02:02 | cjh | sometimes for windows its common to have to pay for teh binary, but the source is free. as compiling can be seen as tedious. |
| 02:02 | rangi | there's nothing wrong with that, as long as you get the source code |
| 02:02 | cjh | the gpl is perfectly fine with paying for open source :) |
| 02:02 | dcook | True |
| 02:02 | I suppose in a way many of us do it as well. Just more indirectly through hosting | |
| 02:02 | Well, not indirectly, but seemingly indirectly | |
| 02:03 | cjh | yeah, same idea :) |
| 02:04 | dcook | Ultimately, yet another reason to move away from Windows, eh? |
| 02:04 | I recently saw...openSuse using KDE and it looked pretty slick | |
| 02:05 | I suppose marketing is a key factor though. After all, look at all the people buying Apple | |
| 02:59 | cjh | marketing and being (or seeming) popular. |
| 03:13 | libsysguy joined #koha | |
| 03:15 | BobB joined #koha | |
| 03:31 | qu-bit_ joined #koha | |
| 03:48 | mtj | how do people feel about having empty customized blocks in Koha, eg: the 'OpacMainUserBlock' block on the OPAC |
| 03:50 | curently, if the 'OpacMainUserBlock' syspref value is empty, the 'opacmainuserblock' <div> does not exist on page | |
| 03:51 | …which is a pain in some situations, like when using jquery to insert content into that div… that doesnt exist | |
| 03:52 | wizzyrea | can't you easily fix it by putting something, even if invisible, in there? |
| 03:52 | mtj | so, the workaround is to add 'xxxx' to the 'OpacMainUserBlock syspref |
| 03:52 | cjh | if you added a single space in there, wouldnt that solve it? |
| 03:53 | mtj | yep, thats the current workaround im using |
| 03:53 | would people accept a patch to fix that, etc.. ? | |
| 03:54 | … or have i bumped into a deliberate 'feature' here? | |
| 03:55 | wizzyrea | oleonard is the one to ask about that I think |
| 03:55 | I don't see why it would be a problem | |
| 03:55 | but... | |
| 03:55 | cjh | its ugly' having an empty block, but it shouldnt actually cause an issue. and if it's useful then I see no reason not to :) |
| 03:56 | ugly was meant to be in quotes >.> | |
| 03:57 | mtj | cjh, its much uglier having to maintain/debug 'foofoo' values in many sysprefs, for many clients |
| 03:57 | cjh | yeah, and asking a client to leave the invisible whitespace in there is uglier. |
| 03:59 | mtj: fwiw: i'd sign off on it :) | |
| 03:59 | mtj | … or just paste a big <hidden>DO NOT REMOVE TEH LINE!!!</hidden> for each custom syspref :/ |
| 04:00 | cjh | I think having the block always be in there is the tidiest solution (assuming it doesnt cause some issue, but I doubt this) |
| 04:01 | mtj | thanx cjh, i'll run the idea past Owen 1st |
| 04:09 | qu-bit joined #koha | |
| 04:23 | barriers joined #koha | |
| 04:24 | qu-bit_ joined #koha | |
| 04:28 | barriers_ joined #koha | |
| 04:49 | mtj | fyi: the solution i'm using to 'activate' those blank custom opac blocks, is to paste this into the syspref... |
| 04:49 | <div style="display: none;">DONT DELETE ME!!</div> | |
| 04:50 | … that makes the div block appear on the page, and my jquery can then do whatever it wants with it | |
| 05:13 | cait joined #koha | |
| 05:18 | Oak joined #koha | |
| 05:19 | Oak | kia ora #koh |
| 05:19 | a | |
| 05:23 | cait | hi Oak :) |
| 05:23 | Oak | hello cait :) how are you? |
| 05:24 | cait | tired :) |
| 05:24 | just got up | |
| 05:24 | how are you? | |
| 05:27 | Oak | when did you went to sleep last night? |
| 05:27 | i'm okay. | |
| 05:27 | 4am? | |
| 05:27 | cait | here? no :) |
| 05:27 | 6:27am | |
| 05:28 | early :) | |
| 05:28 | Oak | yup :) |
| 05:28 | cait | brb |
| 05:38 | * dcook | waves to cait |
| 05:44 | * cait | waves back |
| 05:44 | dcook | Long time no chat! Thanks again for that email you sent a while ago about ICU indexing |
| 05:47 | cait | oh no problem |
| 05:49 | dcook | How's the study/work coming along? |
| 05:54 | WaylonR joined #koha | |
| 05:55 | WaylonR | hiya all. whats the best way to set the necessary sessionid cookie, then do a redirect (302 or something) so as to set a new subdomain/virtualhost? |
| 06:01 | my $cookie = $cgi->cookie(-name => 'test', -value => '1'); | |
| 06:01 | print $cgi->redirect(-uri => 'http://www.perlmonks.org/', -cookie => $ | |
| 06:01 | +cookie); will do? | |
| 06:02 | cait | no idea |
| 06:02 | sorry :) | |
| 06:04 | cait joined #koha | |
| 06:40 | mtj | WaylonR, that looks like it should work... |
| 06:52 | cait | it's snowing |
| 06:52 | @wunder Konstanz | |
| 06:53 | huginn | cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is -0.1°C (7:50 AM CET on February 04, 2013). Conditions: Snow. Humidity: 95%. Dew Point: -1.0°C. Windchill: -2.0°C. Pressure: 30.04 in 1017 hPa (Falling). |
| 06:53 | cait | brr. |
| 06:53 | mtj | hi cait :) |
| 06:54 | WaylonR, fyi: i cant think of a better way :) | |
| 06:54 | cait | hi mtj :) |
| 06:59 | mtj | cait, woah, its snowing over there?! :/ |
| 07:00 | cait | it's winter here, you know :) |
| 07:00 | it's only a bit annoying... because I walk to work everyday | |
| 07:05 | reiveune joined #koha | |
| 07:05 | reiveune | hello |
| 07:07 | Oak | hello reiveune |
| 07:08 | cait | hi reiveune :) |
| 07:12 | reiveune | hi Oak, cait :) |
| 07:26 | alex_a joined #koha | |
| 07:33 | alex_a | bonjour |
| 07:35 | magnus_away joined #koha | |
| 07:35 | magnus_away joined #koha | |
| 07:36 | cait | hm good morning magnuse? |
| 07:36 | magnuse | guten morgen cait |
| 07:36 | ...and #koha | |
| 07:36 | cait | and bbl #koha :) |
| 07:37 | cait left #koha | |
| 07:43 | jajm | hello #koha |
| 07:43 | hi magnuse and cait | |
| 07:47 | magnuse | hiya jajm |
| 07:50 | laurence joined #koha | |
| 07:50 | lds joined #koha | |
| 07:59 | magnuse | w00t! |
| 07:59 | Oak | magnuse |
| 07:59 | magnuse | Oak |
| 07:59 | :-) | |
| 07:59 | Oak | :) |
| 08:00 | @wunder islamabad | |
| 08:00 | huginn | Oak: The current temperature in Islamabad, Pakistan is 14.0°C (12:00 PM PKT on February 04, 2013). Conditions: Haze. Humidity: 77%. Dew Point: 10.0°C. Pressure: 29.95 in 1014 hPa (Falling). |
| 08:01 | magnuse | @wunder boo |
| 08:01 | huginn | magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is -5.0°C (8:50 AM CET on February 04, 2013). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 80%. Dew Point: -8.0°C. Windchill: -14.0°C. Pressure: 29.06 in 984 hPa (Falling). |
| 08:01 | magnuse | your sounds nice Oak ;-) |
| 08:05 | Manderso1 joined #koha | |
| 08:06 | Oak | yes it is :) |
| 08:12 | rambutan joined #koha | |
| 08:15 | WaylonR | @wunder Palmerston North |
| 08:15 | huginn | WaylonR: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information. |
| 08:15 | WaylonR | @wunder Palm |
| 08:15 | huginn | WaylonR: The current temperature in Harlem, Barto, Pennsylvania is -6.9°C (3:07 AM EST on February 04, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 72%. Dew Point: -11.0°C. Windchill: -7.0°C. Pressure: 29.90 in 1012 hPa (Steady). |
| 08:16 | WaylonR | @wunder help |
| 08:16 | huginn | WaylonR: The current temperature in rural, Whitewater, Missouri is 0.9°C (2:16 AM CST on February 04, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 78%. Dew Point: -2.0°C. Windchill: -1.0°C. Pressure: 30.05 in 1017 hPa (Falling). |
| 08:16 | WaylonR | @wunder |
| 08:16 | huginn | WaylonR: (wunder <US zip code | US/Canada city, state | Foreign city, country>) -- Returns the approximate weather conditions for a given city. |
| 08:16 | WaylonR | @wunder Palmerston North, New Zealand |
| 08:16 | huginn | WaylonR: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information. |
| 08:17 | WaylonR | @wunder Palmerston North, NZ |
| 08:17 | huginn | WaylonR: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information. |
| 08:20 | francharb joined #koha | |
| 08:20 | francharb | good morning "koha |
| 08:24 | magnuse | WaylonR: looks like huginn doesn't know palmerston north... :-( |
| 08:24 | kf joined #koha | |
| 08:25 | magnuse | @wunder levin, new zealand |
| 08:25 | kf | good morning #koha |
| 08:25 | huginn | magnuse: The current temperature in LEVIN, Levin, New Zealand is 20.9°C (9:25 PM NZDT on February 04, 2013). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 89%. Dew Point: 19.0°C. Pressure: 29.47 in 998 hPa (Steady). |
| 08:25 | kf | @wunder Konstanz |
| 08:25 | huginn | kf: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Taegerwilen, Germany is 0.6°C (9:25 AM CET on February 04, 2013). Conditions: Light Snow. Humidity: 95%. Dew Point: -0.0°C. Windchill: -2.0°C. Pressure: 30.06 in 1018 hPa (Steady). |
| 08:25 | kf | magnuse: planning a trip? :) |
| 08:28 | magnuse | nah, i wish... |
| 08:28 | just trying to find somewhere close to palmerston north | |
| 08:28 | sophie_m joined #koha | |
| 08:43 | WaylonR | @wunder palm, New zealand |
| 08:43 | huginn | WaylonR: The current temperature in Harlem, Barto, Pennsylvania is -7.1°C (3:37 AM EST on February 04, 2013). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 73%. Dew Point: -11.0°C. Windchill: -7.0°C. Pressure: 29.91 in 1013 hPa (Steady). |
| 08:59 | mtj | WaylonR, whanganui or levin are your best option, i think |
| 09:18 | gerundio joined #koha | |
| 09:35 | Oak joined #koha | |
| 09:48 | barriers joined #koha | |
| 10:04 | aqualaptop joined #koha | |
| 10:04 | WaylonR | @wunder bulls, new zealand |
| 10:04 | huginn | WaylonR: The current temperature in Bulls, Bulls, New Zealand is 21.6°C (11:03 PM NZDT on February 04, 2013). Conditions: Thunderstorm. Humidity: 81%. Dew Point: 18.0°C. Pressure: 29.52 in 999 hPa (Rising). |
| 10:10 | sophie_m joined #koha | |
| 10:10 | drojf joined #koha | |
| 10:13 | drojf left #koha | |
| 10:14 | drojf joined #koha | |
| 10:25 | mtj | … or bulls :p |
| 10:53 | Irma joined #koha | |
| 11:02 | francharb joined #koha | |
| 11:04 | Irma left #koha | |
| 11:53 | sophie_m joined #koha | |
| 12:13 | lds joined #koha | |
| 12:19 | jwagner joined #koha | |
| 12:28 | kf | gmcharlt: around? |
| 12:32 | rambutan joined #koha | |
| 12:39 | magnuse | kf: too early? |
| 12:39 | jcamins_away | Much. |
| 12:39 | kf | probably |
| 12:39 | jcamins_away | It's 4:40 out here on the West Coast. |
| 12:40 | kf | why are you awake??? |
| 12:40 | jcamins_away | We're leaving for the airport in an hour. |
| 12:42 | nengard joined #koha | |
| 12:43 | kf | jcamins_away: back to normal timezones |
| 12:43 | excellent ;) | |
| 12:43 | jcamins_away | Yup. |
| 12:45 | drojf: please answer my question on bug 9201. | |
| 12:45 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9201 normal, P5 - low, ---, mirko, Passed QA , OAI-PMH mapping value cannot be 0 |
| 12:50 | drojf | jcamins_away: oops, i thought i had done that already. lousy brain not connecting to bugzilla and posting what i thought about |
| 12:50 | jcamins_away | Tsk tsk. When you get that fixed, let me know how you did it. |
| 12:51 | drojf | i will if i remember :D |
| 12:53 | can i get git to list the branches together with the date of the last commit? | |
| 12:53 | jcamins_away | Hm. |
| 12:53 | I don't know how. | |
| 12:54 | git for-each-ref --sort=-committerdate refs/heads/ | |
| 12:54 | http://stackoverflow.com/quest[…]ost-recent-commit | |
| 12:54 | tcohen joined #koha | |
| 12:56 | drojf | git for-each-ref --sort=-committerdate refs/heads/ --format='%(refname:short) %(committerdate:short) %(authorname)' |
| 12:56 | the answer at the end is what does it for me | |
| 12:56 | thanks | |
| 12:57 | jcamins_away | Yay! |
| 12:57 | kf | drojf++ jcamins++ :) |
| 12:59 | mtate joined #koha | |
| 13:10 | drojf | jcamins_away: done |
| 13:11 | jcamins_away | Thanks. |
| 13:11 | oleonard joined #koha | |
| 13:12 | oleonard | Hi #koha |
| 13:12 | jcamins_away | Does that actually depend on bug 8906? |
| 13:12 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8906 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Signed Off , Improve OAI management interface |
| 13:12 | jcamins_away | Good morning. |
| 13:12 | drojf | jcamins_away: the functionality does not. i only did not change the text that explains that 0 in any field deletes it |
| 13:13 | i think that was all | |
| 13:13 | jcamins_away | Ah. |
| 13:13 | In that case, I will push it without 8906. | |
| 13:13 | drojf | cool |
| 13:14 | huginn | New commit(s) kohagit: Merge branch 'bug_8733' into 3.12-master <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]fe16ad784331ded0d> / Bug 8733: Increment version number <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]d27cef76bf49c7610> / Bug 8733: Follow-up The isbn sent to idream contains dash <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]diff;h=915ff938a1 |
| 13:18 | jenkins_koha | Starting build #1034 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS) |
| 13:20 | tcohen | good morning #koha |
| 13:21 | talljoy joined #koha | |
| 13:24 | huginn | New commit(s) kohagit: Merge branch 'bug_9201' into 3.12-master <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]9e05c741f68d7e4c5> / Bug 9201 OAI-PMH mapping value cannot be 0 <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]12431bb34d2564e1e> |
| 13:39 | oleonard | So what's up everybody? Monday! Woo-hoo! Yeah! |
| 13:41 | edveal joined #koha | |
| 13:42 | kf | oleonard: so enthuasiastic about monday? |
| 13:43 | oleonard | Sure, why not. |
| 13:44 | drojf | yay, i managed to use localstorage with javascript \o/ |
| 13:44 | this monday could be worse ;) | |
| 13:46 | oleonard | that's cool drojf, what for? |
| 13:47 | Dyrcona joined #koha | |
| 13:48 | drojf | oleonard: an app for firefox os. not really koha-related. i have not done much with javascript so far |
| 13:48 | i thought i could ignore it and it would go away some day but i guess it doesn't | |
| 13:49 | kf | heh |
| 13:49 | oleonard | Javascript is getting more respectable all the time :) |
| 13:50 | drojf | do we have the ultimate js/jquery date picker in koha? |
| 13:50 | oleonard | The ultimate? We have the jQueryUI version anyway. |
| 13:52 | NateC joined #koha | |
| 13:57 | drojf | that looks conveniently easy to use. sold :) |
| 13:58 | there is a zebra datepicker jquery plugin. scary name | |
| 14:03 | oleonard | Oh, datepicker doesn't work? Better re-build the index. You probably had an invalid leap year day in 1976. |
| 14:04 | paul_p joined #koha | |
| 14:04 | drojf | lol |
| 14:05 | oleonard | http://xkcd.com/1168/ |
| 14:06 | * magnuse | has seen the sun - this monday coule be A LOT worse |
| 14:08 | * chris_n | contemplates what the gid might be for a linux group named 'FOOnone' where 'FOO' is the hostname |
| 14:11 | libsysguy joined #koha | |
| 14:13 | rambutan joined #koha | |
| 14:24 | jenkins_koha | Project Koha_master build #1034: UNSTABLE in 1 hr 6 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]Koha_master/1034/ |
| 14:25 | * colin.campbell: Bug 9503 Correct name of parameter passed to parcel.pl | |
| 14:25 | * jonathan.druart: Bug 9503: Followup remove unused parameters passed to parcel.pl | |
| 14:25 | * Jared Camins-Esakov: Bug 8733: Add IDreamBooks.com enhanced content | |
| 14:25 | * Jared Camins-Esakov: Bug 8733 follow-up: restore isbn class in details page | |
| 14:25 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9503 major, P5 - low, ---, colin.campbell, Pushed to Master , Link from histsearch via invoicenumber results in error |
| 14:25 | jenkins_koha | * jonathan.druart: Bug 8733: Follow-up The isbn sent to idream contains dash |
| 14:25 | * Jared Camins-Esakov: Bug 8733: Increment version number | |
| 14:25 | * mirko: Bug 9201 OAI-PMH mapping value cannot be 0 | |
| 14:25 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8733 new feature, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Pushed to Master , Adding critic reviews to book pages |
| 14:25 | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9201 normal, P5 - low, ---, mirko, Pushed to Master , OAI-PMH mapping value cannot be 0 | |
| 14:33 | magnuse | unstable, eh? |
| 14:40 | logbot joined #koha | |
| 14:43 | drojf | s/conveniently easy to use/like i have to use a gazillion files even for just one function and in the end it only shows a loading symbol/ |
| 14:59 | maximep joined #koha | |
| 15:04 | rambutan joined #koha | |
| 15:15 | BigRig joined #koha | |
| 15:24 | kf | *muahaha* |
| 15:25 | you can kill the koha index with a 020$9 subfields that has hyphens in explicit positions | |
| 15:25 | oleonard | Sounds like a nifty feature |
| 15:25 | tcohen | you evil |
| 15:26 | laurence left #koha | |
| 15:27 | kf | ) |
| 15:27 | :) | |
| 15:28 | that was pretty hard to achieve. | |
| 15:28 | drojf | congratulations |
| 15:29 | kf | drojf: installation party hit inetbib? :) |
| 15:31 | magnuse | kf++ |
| 15:32 | kf | drojf: and maybe interesting for you - if you use fields in your marc that are not in the frameworks, koha will delete them upon saving the record in koha... |
| 15:34 | drojf | kf: that's what i expected it to do |
| 15:37 | oleonard | kf: I have attached a revised and squashed patch to Bug 8913. Sorry for the long delay. |
| 15:37 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8913 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Needs Signoff , Improve acquisitions navigation |
| 15:38 | * oleonard | would really like to get that in before converting acquisitions menus to Bootstrap |
| 15:39 | kf | oleonard: cool :) |
| 15:39 | oleonard: yes, that would be useful | |
| 16:04 | rambutan joined #koha | |
| 16:16 | reiveune | bye |
| 16:16 | reiveune left #koha | |
| 16:31 | ryansipes joined #koha | |
| 17:03 | melia joined #koha | |
| 17:11 | libsysguy joined #koha | |
| 17:15 | ryansipes | Hello Koha community! |
| 17:15 | oleonard | Hi ryansipes |
| 17:17 | ryansipes | I thought I'd jump on here and introduce myself as I hope to be quite active in the community |
| 17:18 | My name is obviously Ryan Sipes and I am the new Systems Administrator at Northeast Kansas Library System. We are the ones hosting the koha-community.org website. | |
| 17:18 | oleonard | ryansipes: So you're their new wizzyrea? :) |
| 17:19 | ryansipes | oleonard: Well I'm certainly trying. |
| 17:20 | oleonard | ryansipes: I'm with the Athens County Public Library system in Ohio, but I grew up in Lawrence. |
| 17:21 | cait joined #koha | |
| 17:21 | libsysguy | I'm with ByWater Solutions in Texas :) |
| 17:21 | hi ryansipes | |
| 17:22 | ryansipes | Hey libsysguy. |
| 17:22 | * cait | waves |
| 17:22 | cait | hi libsysguy and ryansipes |
| 17:22 | libsysguy | welcome to Koha |
| 17:22 | heya cait | |
| 17:22 | ryansipes | Thank you. |
| 17:23 | libsysguy | so what are you hoping to do in Koha? |
| 17:23 | * libsysguy | loves to pry |
| 17:23 | cait | oh what did I imss? :P |
| 17:23 | libsysguy | ryansipes: is the new wizzyrea for nekls |
| 17:24 | cait | oh |
| 17:24 | ryansipes | I would like to contribute in any way possible really. I've only been @nekls for a couple of weeks, but I'm very interested in keeping strong ties with Koha |
| 17:24 | cait | well welcome to the community :) |
| 17:25 | we always need help testing stuff for example | |
| 17:25 | sign offs and insights from libraries are very important :) | |
| 17:25 | libsysguy | watchout ryansipes cait is the QAM and she is secretly recruiting you |
| 17:25 | cait | sssh |
| 17:25 | :) | |
| 17:26 | * libsysguy | got pulled in to the QA circle |
| 17:26 | libsysguy | the wheels on QAA go round and round, round and round, round and round |
| 17:27 | cait | neverending... |
| 17:27 | but tonight I first have to finish an assignment for my distance study :( | |
| 17:27 | and I already put 1.5 hours into it this morning | |
| 17:27 | ryansipes | Haha, well any way that I can contribute. If I were to do some testing where would I log the information. The project uses bugzilla, yes? |
| 17:27 | cait | *sigh* |
| 17:27 | yep | |
| 17:27 | bugzilla is quite important | |
| 17:28 | oleonard | bugzilla? |
| 17:28 | bugs? | |
| 17:28 | Hmf. | |
| 17:28 | cait | hm |
| 17:28 | it used to work | |
| 17:28 | wahanui? | |
| 17:28 | drojf | where is that lazy bot? |
| 17:28 | libsysguy | bugs.koha-ils.com |
| 17:28 | cait | we are missing a bot |
| 17:28 | oleonard | Well that would explain it |
| 17:28 | libsysguy | the real one is bugs.koha-community.org |
| 17:28 | oleonard | libsysguy: :P |
| 17:28 | libsysguy | I'm trying to beg my way out of BZ and into Jira :p |
| 17:29 | cait | ryansipes: there are also various mailing lists, but every new feature or bug has a life cycle in bugzilla :) |
| 17:29 | so that's really a central place | |
| 17:29 | slef | Jira grrrrrrrrrr |
| 17:29 | cait | libsysguy: now you did it... woke up slef |
| 17:29 | ryansipes | cait, What's the link for mailing list? |
| 17:29 | cait | angry slef |
| 17:29 | libsysguy | whats wrong with Jira |
| 17:29 | uh oh | |
| 17:29 | slef | libsysguy: Atlassian, at its root. |
| 17:29 | libsysguy | you mean how they take OSS and sell it :p |
| 17:30 | after they put a pretty face on it | |
| 17:30 | cait | normally our bot would serve you the link... now I have to go looking |
| 17:30 | slef | I mean how they take OSS and use it to sell proprietary stuff. |
| 17:30 | * oleonard | is lost |
| 17:30 | cait | http://koha-community.org/supp[…]ha-mailing-lists/ |
| 17:30 | here you go | |
| 17:30 | oleonard: oh no! | |
| 17:30 | slef | libsysguy: that would be excusable if it was less seriously buggy. |
| 17:30 | libsysguy | Jira is a really polished version of a bugs/gerrit hybrid |
| 17:30 | drojf | the labyrinth of #koha |
| 17:31 | ryansipes | cait: Thank you. |
| 17:31 | drojf | the #koha triangle |
| 17:31 | cait | np :) |
| 17:31 | slef | libsysguy: really my worst ire is reserved for that half-assed wiki they sell alongside Jira. |
| 17:31 | cait | drojf: you get lost here an dhave to stay forever? |
| 17:31 | I can live with that - good company :) | |
| 17:31 | libsysguy | heh |
| 17:31 | well I didn't set up a demo for confluence | |
| 17:32 | cait | ryansipes: btw I am also kf and work for BSZ in Germany |
| 17:32 | libsysguy | but I did set up a demo for Jira, stash, and crucible |
| 17:33 | ryansipes | cait: Awesome, I subscribed to the mailing list so that's taken care of. |
| 17:33 | slef | hi ryansipes by the way |
| 17:34 | ryansipes | slef: Hello! |
| 17:34 | libsysguy | slef the thing I like about stash it the way it works like github |
| 17:34 | slef | libsysguy: not seen stash or crucible and sort of hope I don't need to ;) |
| 17:34 | libsysguy | heh |
| 17:35 | * libsysguy | is just branstorming ways to improve the workflow |
| 17:35 | slef | libsysguy: it just upsets me that there are companies like Atlassian around when good developers could sell more. |
| 17:36 | libsysguy: who are the demos for? | |
| 17:36 | libsysguy | one sec slef |
| 17:36 | call | |
| 17:36 | * slef | goes take a quick look to see what stash and crucible are, but still hopes not to meet them. |
| 17:37 | slef | so jira isn't OSS anyway |
| 17:39 | oleonard | That seems like a pretty big deal-breaker |
| 17:40 | libsysguy | they give you the sauce? |
| 17:40 | I have it on that box | |
| 17:40 | albeit I didn't build it | |
| 17:40 | slef | "Atlassian products are not open source for the most part, but are sold under a license which permits customers to view and modify code so long as they do not redistribute or resell it" (wikipedia) |
| 17:40 | libsysguy | correct ^^ |
| 17:40 | slef | cites http://news.cnet.com/8301-13505_3-9760614-16.html |
| 17:41 | libsysguy | but they do give the software away to open source projects |
| 17:41 | along with the source to modify | |
| 17:41 | but you still have to have a license | |
| 17:42 | slef | yeah, like a good drug dealer |
| 17:42 | first hit on the bong is free | |
| 17:42 | get them hooked/locked-in, then sell it to them | |
| 17:43 | then take their distinctiveness/modifications and add them to your own | |
| 17:43 | and profit from them | |
| 17:43 | it's an inequitable model | |
| 17:44 | I actually prefer the proprietary-for-everyone models n some ways. At least you know where you stand. (Outside the walls.) | |
| 17:45 | bbl | |
| 17:45 | rambutan joined #koha | |
| 17:45 | libsysguy | well wither we use something atlassian or we use something completely foss idc |
| 17:45 | * oleonard | votes FOSS |
| 17:45 | libsysguy | I would just like to make patching koha easier, especially for new devs |
| 17:46 | slef | oh parting thought: Atlassian and Liblime have a lot of similarities - act like they're FOSS, but aren't really |
| 17:46 | cait | libsysguy: i don't think the tools are the problem |
| 17:46 | libsysguy | there is a severe disparity in developer education |
| 17:46 | cait | I think everyone can ask and will get help |
| 17:46 | slef | and yes, libsysguy, I agree... things could be made a bit easier, but Atlassian is not the way |
| 17:47 | cait | and we have some documentation... but that could be better probably |
| 17:47 | libsysguy | that is fine, its a community decision, I just want to get *a* ball rolling |
| 17:47 | slef | We already have the source on github, which is as poor as Atlassian, and it's not terribly popular. |
| 17:47 | libsysguy: survey new/wannabe/maybe devs and find out what would help? | |
| 17:48 | libsysguy | catalyst recently did that |
| 17:48 | slef | oh |
| 17:48 | I missed that. | |
| 17:48 | oleonard | libsysguy: Why no get the ball rolling by writing a message to the dev list talking about your concerns, identify what problems you think we have? |
| 17:48 | slef | Link? |
| 17:48 | libsysguy | catalyst the framwork |
| 17:48 | not the NZ do | |
| 17:48 | co* | |
| 17:48 | slef | bah, namespace collision |
| 17:48 | drojf | tl;dr but i vote FOSS for everything |
| 17:49 | slef | ok, is catalyst-the-framwork's survey FOSS? |
| 17:49 | can we repeat it op op op oppa koha-style? | |
| 17:50 | bbl | |
| 17:50 | libsysguy | I think they used google forms |
| 17:52 | drojf joined #koha | |
| 17:55 | oleonard | libsysguy: For the sake of understanding your goals, what problem does Jira solve for us |
| 17:55 | libsysguy | seamless integration |
| 17:55 | all the atlassian products integrate | |
| 17:55 | it also solves a problem I have with the patch workflow | |
| 17:56 | oleonard | Seamless integration among what parts? |
| 17:57 | libsysguy | I would like to have a bi-patching model. For devs that would like to run their own branches, they can make pull request from stash. when they want to submit that code, crucible indexes all the changes and makes the code under review from QA or RM |
| 17:57 | this removes the comments we have from BZ on "this doesn't work this way" | |
| 17:57 | talljoy joined #koha | |
| 17:57 | libsysguy | its all in-line |
| 17:57 | crohdester joined #koha | |
| 17:57 | libsysguy | I think the real benefit for us would be crucible/fisheye |
| 17:57 | Jira just links those issues from stash and crucible | |
| 17:59 | I wish I could show you a demo | |
| 17:59 | I need to export BZ to get a viable one set up | |
| 17:59 | I have the atlassian stuff set up, but no data yet | |
| 17:59 | oleonard | libsysguy: I'm more interested in understanding the problems you think we need to solve than the features of this product. No FOSS is a genuine deal-breaker in this case. |
| 18:00 | cait | I think I agree with oleonard |
| 18:01 | libsysguy | well, I think the review process could use a little streamlining. Personally I don't like the process of submitting a patch, I'd rather make a pull request so that everybody can see what is going on |
| 18:01 | cait | you can do pull requests now too |
| 18:01 | libsysguy | but you can't see what I'm working on |
| 18:01 | cait | and how can you see btter what's going on with a pull request? |
| 18:01 | I think it would be quite hard to keep track of what everyone is working on | |
| 18:01 | and we have a pge on the wiki with repositories | |
| 18:02 | and other branches have been published on git.kc.org in the past | |
| 18:02 | libsysguy | right, but this would centralize it |
| 18:02 | instead of gmcharlt having to make a separate repo for each dev to push to | |
| 18:03 | *but* atlassian is not *FOSS* | |
| 18:03 | its *OSS* that they give away to FOSS projects | |
| 18:03 | fredy joined #koha | |
| 18:03 | libsysguy | with the exception of Jira, where they give you the binary that extracts with a JVM |
| 18:04 | cait | I think they have been talkng about setting up a working repo everyone can push to |
| 18:04 | like evergreen does | |
| 18:04 | http://evergreen-ils.org/dokuw[…]git#working_repos | |
| 18:04 | libsysguy | I'd really like to get a workflow similar to evergreen, but with the option for new devs to still submit patches |
| 18:05 | cait | hm |
| 18:05 | why is the workflow of evergreen btter than ours? | |
| 18:05 | libsysguy | visibility |
| 18:06 | a page on the wiki where all the repos are distributed is kind of a pita | |
| 18:20 | slef | libsysguy: that's not OSS unless you reject the open source definition. I don't like opensource.org but they're still the definition. |
| 18:21 | and as for integration, I like trac but no idea if it solves this problem as it's not a situation I've used it in yet | |
| 18:21 | libsysguy | holy moses, as someone who has used trac…never again |
| 18:22 | although I used it with svn | |
| 18:22 | slef | yeah - where and when? It can be (mis)configured a lot and did improve around 0.12 or something |
| 18:22 | libsysguy | so that could have been half the problem |
| 18:22 | it has been a few years | |
| 18:22 | when I worked for a Domain parking company | |
| 18:22 | slef | maybe... around 0.12 was when the version control became a plugin, so you could use different ones and/or different ways |
| 18:23 | libsysguy | like all things, it can be misused |
| 18:23 | slef | there can be a temptation to go "oh trac can do that" and try to use it, whether or not it currently suits your work |
| 18:23 | but hey, I like it and it's fairly easy to write plugins for... each to their own | |
| 18:24 | we still haven't quite kicked RT though ;) | |
| 18:24 | libsysguy | heh |
| 18:25 | oh RT | |
| 18:38 | rangi | Morning |
| 18:38 | cait | morning |
| 18:39 | Dyrcona | Speaking from the Evergreen experience: TRAC has some issues with git, particularly it seems to do a lot of excessive checkouts when someone is browsing a git repository. |
| 18:41 | slef | browsing or spidering? ;) |
| 18:42 | francharb` joined #koha | |
| 18:43 | Dyrcona | slef: Probably the latter. I didn't run the servers, but heard of the troubles via IRC and when some web services went down. |
| 18:45 | jcamins_away | cait: the benefit of the working repository is that it gives us a way to handle iterative development, where developer A writes a patch, developer B tests it, A rewrites it... |
| 18:45 | cait | I am not against that |
| 18:45 | I think it's worth a try | |
| 18:46 | only we have people contributing on different levels :) and I am not sure a tool is the solution | |
| 18:46 | jcamins_away | Right now the result is horrors like bug 7167... fifty million comments, and all the important things somewhere in the middle. |
| 18:46 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7167 new feature, P1 - high, ---, jonathan.druart, Signed Off , updatedatabase improvements |
| 18:46 | rangi | Like gerrit? |
| 18:46 | libsysguy | gerrit would be the foss alternative |
| 18:46 | cait | jcamins_away: I think things like that always get messy |
| 18:46 | csharp | slef: it was spidering in our case |
| 18:47 | in particular it was Bing | |
| 18:47 | rangi | I ran into I'm too lazy to use gerrit |
| 18:47 | jcamins_away | Ah-ha! |
| 18:47 | Now I understand. | |
| 18:47 | Nope. | |
| 18:47 | Wait... | |
| 18:47 | rangi | When I tried to introduce it |
| 18:47 | jcamins_away | cait: now I understand, and, no. |
| 18:47 | rangi | It's a people problem not a tool one |
| 18:48 | cait | jcamins_away: now you confused me :) |
| 18:48 | libsysguy | ^^ me too |
| 18:48 | jcamins_away | cait: the problem should be easily fixable. The problem is in C4::Heading. It |
| 18:48 | cait | btw .. I left you a gazillion notes about the our indexing problem. um. |
| 18:48 | rangi | People need to spend more time up front with gerrit to save everyone else's time |
| 18:48 | cait | rangi: I tihnk it's often like that |
| 18:48 | people complain to me about our ticket system | |
| 18:49 | jcamins_away | ... is being called on every field, when it should just be called on valid fields. |
| 18:49 | rangi | People have to value others time as much as their own |
| 18:49 | cait | because ys, it takes a little longer than writing an email |
| 18:49 | but the benefit is that you have more information and all in one place in a form that you can work with | |
| 18:49 | rangi | Same is true on the mailing list |
| 18:49 | Ask a question properly and save the responders time | |
| 18:49 | * cait | nods |
| 18:50 | rangi | Wow I'm ranty today |
| 18:50 | cait | a bit :) |
| 18:50 | libsysguy | its a ranty kind of day for me too |
| 18:50 | or maybe just a complain-y one | |
| 18:50 | I can't decide | |
| 18:51 | jcamins_away | cait: it would be easy to fix at... line 78 or so in Koha/Filter/MARC/EmbedSeeFromHeadings.pm. |
| 18:51 | cait | jcamins_away: that sounds awesome |
| 18:51 | can I get back to you about that a little later? | |
| 18:51 | jcamins_away | I'll probably be back tomorrow or Wednesday. |
| 18:51 | cait | I am still on assignment number 7 and dishes... and my head is not in a place to have too many things going on right now |
| 18:51 | jcamins_away | :) |
| 18:51 | cait | jcamins_away: oh? |
| 18:52 | jcamins_away | Also, you Germans have the weirdest data! |
| 18:52 | cait | yeah... tell me |
| 18:52 | although I think this one was at least kind of logical | |
| 18:52 | jcamins_away | I'm in Dallas waiting to board my next flight. |
| 18:52 | Kind of, yes. | |
| 18:52 | Dyrcona | jcamins_away: Ever seen a MARC record in Georgian? |
| 18:52 | jcamins_away | Dyrcona: I have, actually, but just one |
| 18:52 | libsysguy | oh hey we are in the same state jcamins |
| 18:52 | cait | Dyrcona: can't be worse than GND records for him :) |
| 18:52 | libsysguy | you can fly down to Houston and visit :p |
| 18:53 | jcamins_away | libsysguy: yeah, but I'd rather get home before midnight. :P |
| 18:53 | cait | safe travels |
| 18:53 | talljoy joined #koha | |
| 18:53 | jcamins_away | Dyrcona: I've also seen a RUSMARC record or two. |
| 18:54 | Callender joined #koha | |
| 18:55 | jcamins_away | Okay, we shoud be boarding momentarily. |
| 18:55 | Back from New York, eventually. | |
| 18:57 | libsysguy | I think it is much colder there jcamins_away |
| 18:59 | cait | arg |
| 18:59 | now I missed him | |
| 18:59 | jcamins_away: if you are still around... are you thinking aobut an exeption for 020 or a more general solution? | |
| 19:04 | juan-sieira joined #koha | |
| 19:04 | juan-sieira left #koha | |
| 19:06 | rangi | Ok my stop |
| 19:07 | Gotta go get my new passport | |
| 19:07 | Bbiab | |
| 19:24 | mib_yqq0o0 joined #koha | |
| 19:24 | alohabot | Hi mib_yqq0o0, Welcome to #koha. Feel free to use the '/nick yourname' command to choose a different name. alohabot, wahanui, and huginn are bots. If you need any help, just ask - there's usually someone around to help :) |
| 19:25 | oleonard | wahanui is a bot who is mad at us and is sulking at home. |
| 19:25 | cait | oleonard: sounds like him |
| 19:25 | gcb joined #koha | |
| 19:26 | cait | @later tell eythian please bring back wahanui? |
| 19:26 | huginn | cait: The operation succeeded. |
| 19:28 | drojf | javascript does not like me :( |
| 19:29 | cait | don't take it personal |
| 19:31 | slef | csharp, Dyrcona: yeah, Bing has started ignoring robot.txt recently. |
| 19:31 | cait | drojf: want to learn something about business process management instead? |
| 19:32 | drojf | cait: very tempting, but no. you can have it all |
| 19:32 | cait | you are so generous |
| 19:33 | drojf | :9 |
| 19:33 | :) | |
| 19:33 | cait | *grump* |
| 19:37 | gcb joined #koha | |
| 19:38 | drojf | great, now i broke it completely |
| 19:41 | oleonard | drojf: That's the motto on the JavaScript coat of arms |
| 19:41 | drojf | lol |
| 19:43 | gcb | Is there anyone out there familiar with opac-search.pl and opac-detail.pl? I just loaded a number of records and searches are throwing errors in opac-error.log on both those scripts. |
| 19:44 | libsysguy | what is the error... |
| 19:44 | cait | gcb: errors or warns? :) |
| 19:45 | gcb | When I do a search through the opac itself, it returns results, but throws this error... [Mon Feb 4 11:29:17 2013] opac-detail.pl: Use of uninitialized value $ccode in exists at /usr/share/koha/opac/cgi-bin/opac/opac-detail.pl line 532., referer: http://test2.walib.net/cgi-bin[…]search.pl?q=spies |
| 19:48 | rangi | back |
| 19:48 | libsysguy | that was not a long time for a passport |
| 19:49 | rangi | you can order them online here |
| 19:49 | libsysguy | I think that is a common error actually |
| 19:49 | rangi | gcb: thats a warn, you can safely ignore it |
| 19:49 | libsysguy | oh…well lucky you…I had to stand in a line…for HOURS... |
| 19:49 | gcb | BTW--I'm running 3.10.02.000 on Debian 64-bit... |
| 19:50 | rangi | gcb: we try and quiet all the warns but sometimes we miss them, that doesnt cause any adverse behaviour, just is noisy in the log |
| 19:50 | (if you don't have collection codes set) | |
| 19:50 | kathryn joined #koha | |
| 19:52 | rangi | libsysguy: here you can even upload the jpg yourself |
| 19:52 | libsysguy | wow |
| 19:52 | gcb | If I select one of the returned records, go to its display and then click on one of the subject heading links...it hangs on the search and craches the browser window. The error returned on that one is ...[Mon Feb 4 11:29:28 2013] opac-search.pl: Use of uninitialized value in pattern match (m//) at /usr/share/koha/opac/cgi-bin/opac/opac-search.pl line 825., r |
| 19:52 | libsysguy | I'm jealous |
| 19:53 | trea joined #koha | |
| 19:53 | rangi | gcb: again, that is not an error, just a warn |
| 19:53 | cait | gcb: crashing the browser sounds more like a javasript issue |
| 19:53 | rangi | yeah |
| 19:53 | cait | probably unrelated to what you see in the log |
| 19:54 | gcb | full error ...[Mon Feb 4 11:29:28 2013] opac-search.pl: Use of uninitialized value in pattern match (m//) at /usr/share/koha/opac/cgi-bin/opac/opac-search.pl line 825., referer: http://test2.walib.net/cgi-bin[…]=kw,wrdl:%20spies |
| 19:54 | drojf | i blame javascript for everything |
| 19:55 | cait | hmmm |
| 19:55 | it could be highlighting | |
| 19:55 | gcb | So for the first error...ignore it or set the ccode on each record? |
| 19:55 | wizzyrea | yes, that was what I was thinking - highlighting |
| 19:55 | cait | gcb: the first one you should probably conplete your configuration |
| 19:55 | wizzyrea | that record comes up for me without hanging |
| 19:55 | rangi | gcb: its a warn, you can ignore it |
| 19:55 | cait | make sure for all the collection codes used there is an entry in authorized values CCODE |
| 19:56 | wizzyrea: try clicking on a subject link - i can reproduce | |
| 19:56 | wizzyrea | gcb: firefox or chrome? |
| 19:56 | cait | using firefoy |
| 19:56 | firefox | |
| 19:56 | wizzyrea | ah yep that did it |
| 19:56 | cait | I think it's highlighting messing up again |
| 19:56 | gcb | That is 952$8? None of the records have that subfield set |
| 19:56 | wizzyrea | oh wait |
| 19:56 | it crashed then recovered. | |
| 19:56 | gcb | I'm on chrome |
| 19:56 | wizzyrea | then crashed again lol. |
| 19:56 | it has to be highlighting. | |
| 19:57 | cait | the - and spaces |
| 19:57 | maybe in the search terms | |
| 19:57 | rangi | yeah, switch the highlighting off |
| 19:57 | you can do that in sysprefs right? | |
| 19:57 | wizzyrea | yep |
| 19:57 | cait | i think so |
| 19:57 | * wizzyrea | wonders if it can be made to cope with those things |
| 19:57 | cait | I think it's probably the dot |
| 19:57 | or something | |
| 19:57 | rangi | gcb: for your nasty crash, switching off the highlighting is probably the best bet |
| 19:57 | cait | I had that happen with some not so clean search terms |
| 19:58 | gcb: still there? :) | |
| 19:58 | rangi | getting coffee, brb |
| 19:58 | oleonard | How does one reproduce this browser crash? |
| 19:58 | gcb | Still here |
| 19:58 | cait | oleonard: clicking on the spies subject in the link above does it for me |
| 19:59 | wizzyrea | or you can do a search |
| 19:59 | su:"something - something else." | |
| 20:00 | cgb joined #koha | |
| 20:00 | cgb | I think you were right about the highlighting. Turned it off and the search results seem to be coming up fine now. |
| 20:01 | wizzyrea | winning! |
| 20:01 | oleonard | Hooray! We made a feature that breaks things! |
| 20:02 | cgb | Thanks, all! |
| 20:02 | wizzyrea | yayee yay. |
| 20:02 | but the question is - can it be fixed | |
| 20:02 | :) | |
| 20:02 | cait | I think eythian fixed some things releated to highlighting crashing |
| 20:02 | but not sure which version | |
| 20:03 | 3.10.2... so probably a new problem | |
| 20:03 | nengard joined #koha | |
| 20:05 | rangi | back |
| 20:06 | cait: he fixed a bug like this, it might not have been pushed to stable/master yet? | |
| 20:06 | cait | hm I tihnk it was |
| 20:06 | it was while he was here | |
| 20:06 | maybe it crept back in or it's another iteration | |
| 20:06 | or my memory is off :) | |
| 20:06 | oleonard | There was one fix a while ago, and then recently another similar fix |
| 20:07 | rangi | yeah i recall that |
| 20:07 | the recent one | |
| 20:08 | cait | it's the dot |
| 20:08 | http://test2.walib.net/cgi-bin[…]%20%20Fiction.%22 | |
| 20:08 | this works nicely for me | |
| 20:08 | http://test2.walib.net/cgi-bin[…]-%20%20Fiction%22 | |
| 20:08 | no dot at the end | |
| 20:09 | no crash. | |
| 20:12 | wizzyrea | khall - about? |
| 20:12 | khall | yo |
| 20:12 | wizzyrea | yo - bug 5790 |
| 20:12 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5790 normal, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Needs Signoff , Deleting a biblio should alert/fail if there are existent subscriptions and holds |
| 20:12 | wizzyrea | in the last 4 days there was a patch to how the variables in js are handled in that toolbar |
| 20:13 | and it messes up your patch - makes a conflict | |
| 20:13 | khall | dang it! |
| 20:13 | drojf | cait: they do both work for me?! |
| 20:13 | cait | hm |
| 20:13 | werid. | |
| 20:14 | wizzyrea | I know! rather than set it back to doesn't apply - wanna just fix it quicky like? |
| 20:14 | if you have a minute | |
| 20:14 | khall | wizzyrea: sure, if you can tell me what needs altered |
| 20:14 | wizzyrea | http://git.koha-community.org/[…]626525757b8f944ce this commit is what is conflicting |
| 20:20 | khall | I'm on it! |
| 20:23 | trendynick joined #koha | |
| 20:24 | khall | wizzyrea: new patch has been uploaded |
| 20:25 | wizzyrea | bless you kind sir |
| 20:25 | \o/ | |
| 20:25 | khall | lol, no problemo! |
| 20:25 | * wizzyrea | tests it RIGHTNOW |
| 20:26 | * khall | crosses his fingers and holds his breath |
| 20:27 | wizzyrea | :) it'll be fine |
| 20:27 | perfect :) | |
| 20:28 | khall | excellent! wizzyrea++ |
| 20:28 | wizzyrea | though I often wonder why you can actually click on them if they are grey |
| 20:28 | but part of me likes the fact that it will tell you WHY | |
| 20:28 | khall | that's it exactly |
| 20:28 | if we didn't want the message we could just set the state to disabled instead of using css | |
| 20:28 | but I think the message is very useful | |
| 20:30 | wizzyrea | no I like it |
| 20:30 | and I said so :P | |
| 20:31 | khall++ thanks for fixing that | |
| 20:31 | khall | np |
| 20:37 | rangi | heh that latest email exactly proves my point :) |
| 20:42 | glawson_ joined #koha | |
| 20:44 | drojf | :( |
| 20:49 | wizzyrea | omg khall - there is a PATCH for bug 2720 |
| 20:49 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=2720 enhancement, P3, ---, gmcharlt, Needs Signoff , Overdues which debar automatically should undebar automatically when returned |
| 20:49 | * wizzyrea | is astounded by this |
| 20:49 | wizzyrea | and so. excited. |
| 20:49 | * wizzyrea | wonders who is sponsoring it |
| 20:50 | oleonard | We contributed. |
| 20:50 | cait | wizzyrea: it needs to be a pref |
| 20:50 | wizzyrea | I think NEKLS did too, but I've slept. |
| 20:51 | cait | I think our libraries don't want to undebar automatically |
| 20:52 | hm, or they might | |
| 20:52 | wizzyrea | well it looks like this undebars automatically for overdues only |
| 20:52 | cait | yes |
| 20:52 | but I think that needs to be a pref | |
| 20:52 | wizzyrea | which makes PERFECT sense. |
| 20:52 | cait | it's like the final measure for some that don't have fines |
| 20:52 | wizzyrea | right, but it undebars when the item is checked in |
| 20:53 | cait | self checks |
| 20:53 | for example | |
| 20:53 | the patron wouldn't have to show up at the desk, which is what the library might want to do | |
| 20:53 | I mean... want the patron to do | |
| 20:53 | wizzyrea | I'd make a note of your objections - SIP could cope with that differently and send them to the desk. |
| 20:54 | cait | sorry if I am being mean about this - it looks good and I like the idea to |
| 20:54 | o | |
| 20:54 | I am just worried not every library wants it to work like that | |
| 20:55 | slef | undebar - n. drinking venue where you do not wear top clothes. |
| 20:55 | drojf | :) |
| 20:55 | wizzyrea | wunderbar = wonderful. |
| 20:56 | or something. | |
| 20:56 | slef | Katastroph! |
| 20:56 | wizzyrea | hi slef :) |
| 20:56 | slef | Katastroph - noun, a variant of a cold caught by felines. |
| 20:56 | cait | are we all talking german now? |
| 20:56 | slef | cait: ja aber sicher |
| 20:57 | cait | Deutsche Abenstunde in #koha? :) |
| 20:57 | eythian | no. |
| 20:57 | slef | but go search for "Uxbridge English Dictionary" if you want more daft definitions. It's from the same source as Mornington Crescent. |
| 20:57 | You know Mornington Crescent, right? | |
| 20:57 | cait | eythian: Spassverderber |
| 20:57 | slef | eythian: hoe gaat het met je? |
| 20:58 | cait | eythian: wahanui? :) |
| 20:58 | Dyrcona joined #koha | |
| 20:58 | slef | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M[…]escent_%28game%29 |
| 20:58 | drojf | vart minderen spart kinderen |
| 20:58 | eythian | slef: goed, bedankt |
| 20:59 | * slef | is now living near enough to receive Dutch radio again |
| 20:59 | eythian | drum roll, please. |
| 20:59 | drojf | slef: you have heard of this interweb thing where stuff goes round the world? :P |
| 20:59 | wahanui joined #koha | |
| 21:00 | eythian | wahanui: welcome back |
| 21:00 | slef | wahanui: drum roll |
| 21:00 | wahanui | eythian: huh? |
| 21:00 | slef: huh? | |
| 21:00 | slef | wahanui: fail |
| 21:00 | wahanui | slef: what? |
| 21:00 | eythian | wahanui: welcome back is <reply>I hate jetlag. |
| 21:00 | wahanui | OK, eythian. |
| 21:00 | slef | wahanui: wrong |
| 21:00 | wahanui | slef: what? |
| 21:00 | eythian | wahanui: welcome back is also <reply>cait abducted me. |
| 21:00 | wahanui | okay, eythian. |
| 21:00 | wizzyrea | wahanui: fail is <reply> but I do my best! |
| 21:00 | wahanui | OK, wizzyrea. |
| 21:01 | eythian | wahanui: welcome back is also <reply>I was trapped in a maze of twisty, turny passages, all alike. |
| 21:01 | wahanui | okay, eythian. |
| 21:01 | eythian | wahanui: literal welcome back |
| 21:01 | wahanui | eythian: welcome back =is= <reply>I hate jetlag.|<reply>cait abducted me.|<reply>I was trapped in a maze of twisty, turny passages, all alike. |
| 21:01 | wizzyrea | wahanui: wrong is <reply> I only know what you teach me. |
| 21:01 | wahanui | wizzyrea: no idea |
| 21:02 | wizzyrea | gr. |
| 21:02 | drojf | lol |
| 21:02 | cait | hmpf |
| 21:02 | eythian | wahanui: wrong is <reply> I only know what \you teach me. |
| 21:02 | wahanui | eythian: i don't know |
| 21:02 | eythian | wahanui: wrong is <reply> I only know what \you teach \me. |
| 21:02 | wahanui | i don't know, eythian |
| 21:02 | eythian | wahanui: wrong is <reply> I only \know what \you teach \me. |
| 21:02 | wahanui | eythian: i don't know |
| 21:02 | eythian | I wonder which word it is... |
| 21:02 | wizzyrea | I maybe? |
| 21:02 | eythian | wahanui: wrong is <reply>I only know what you teach me. |
| 21:02 | wahanui | eythian: wish i knew |
| 21:02 | eythian | no, I used 'I' above |
| 21:03 | wizzyrea | wrong is <reply> \I only know what \you teach \me. |
| 21:03 | well that did something. | |
| 21:03 | wrong? | |
| 21:03 | wahanui | I only know what you teach me. |
| 21:03 | wizzyrea | WINNING. |
| 21:03 | eythian | wahanui: winning is <reply>Thanks, Mr Sheen. |
| 21:03 | wahanui | eythian: bitte |
| 21:03 | wizzyrea | hahahaha |
| 21:04 | eythian | wahanui: winning is <reply>\Thanks, Mr Sheen. |
| 21:04 | wahanui | eythian: sure thing |
| 21:04 | eythian | grr |
| 21:04 | wahanui: winning is <reply>#, Mr Sheen. | |
| 21:04 | wahanui | OK, eythian. |
| 21:04 | eythian | wahanui: winning =~ s/#/Thanks/ |
| 21:04 | wahanui | OK, eythian |
| 21:04 | eythian | there. |
| 21:04 | drojf | easy |
| 21:04 | wizzyrea | winning! |
| 21:04 | wahanui | Thanks, Mr Sheen. |
| 21:04 | wizzyrea | <3 |
| 21:05 | maximep joined #koha | |
| 21:08 | wizzyrea | fail |
| 21:08 | fail? | |
| 21:08 | wahanui | but I do wizzyrea's best! |
| 21:08 | wizzyrea | oo |
| 21:08 | eythian | haha |
| 21:08 | wizzyrea | :) |
| 21:08 | ...it's not very good. | |
| 21:08 | ...yet | |
| 21:09 | do you like my aspirational, irritating american, optimism? | |
| 21:09 | ^.^ | |
| 21:09 | eythian | I hear it's your dream. |
| 21:09 | wizzyrea | dream, indeed. |
| 21:11 | eythian | wahanui: zippy |
| 21:11 | wahanui | eythian: what? |
| 21:11 | eythian | @zippy |
| 21:11 | huginn | eythian: downloading the Perl source |
| 21:12 | eythian | wahanui: be zippy |
| 21:12 | wahanui | Actually, what I'd like is a little toy spaceship!! |
| 21:13 | wizzyrea | can he ask for a pony? |
| 21:13 | eythian | wahanui: be wizzyrea is <reply>do you like \my aspirational, irritating american, optimism# |
| 21:13 | wahanui | OK, eythian. |
| 21:13 | wizzyrea | LOL |
| 21:13 | eythian | wahanui: be wizzyrea =~ s/#/?/ |
| 21:13 | wahanui | OK, eythian |
| 21:13 | wizzyrea | be wizzyrea |
| 21:13 | wahanui | do you like my aspirational, irritating american, optimism? |
| 21:14 | eythian | wahanui: be zippy |
| 21:14 | wahanui | Sometime in 1993 NANCY SINATRA will lead a BLOODLESS COUP on GUAM!! |
| 21:14 | eythian | it's true. |
| 21:14 | wahanui: it's true is <reply>I read it on the internet! | |
| 21:14 | wahanui | OK, eythian. |
| 21:14 | eythian | wahanui: it's true is also<reply>I saw it on Digg! |
| 21:14 | wahanui | ...but it's true is <reply>I read it on the internet!... |
| 21:15 | eythian | wahanui: it's true is also <reply>I saw it on Digg! |
| 21:15 | wahanui | okay, eythian. |
| 21:15 | rangi | wizzyrea: http://www.wellington.govt.nz/[…]eraowaitangi.html |
| 21:16 | weather permitting we will go there then to your place | |
| 21:16 | wizzyrea | gah! they're gonna show boy! |
| 21:16 | rangi | in the evening |
| 21:16 | we could always all pile onto a bus after the bbq ;) | |
| 21:16 | wizzyrea | :D |
| 21:16 | true! | |
| 21:17 | rangi | annoyingly the programme is a pdf |
| 21:17 | wizzyrea | they like doing that |
| 21:17 | rangi | but the movie doesnt start til 9 |
| 21:17 | wizzyrea | oof that's pretty late |
| 21:17 | rangi | yeah with school the next day, we wont make it |
| 21:17 | wizzyrea | for a school day |
| 21:17 | yea, for spud to | |
| 21:17 | too* | |
| 21:21 | be wizzyrea | |
| 21:22 | wahanui | do you like my aspirational, irritatingly American, optimism? |
| 21:22 | eythian | http://youtu.be/jjOQac1vOEc <-- unrelated but neat |
| 21:22 | wizzyrea | sorry the grammar was bothering me. |
| 21:22 | >.> | |
| 21:24 | eythian | wahanui: awesome is <reply>That'll be $1 for the awesome jar, $who |
| 21:24 | wahanui | OK, eythian. |
| 21:25 | wizzyrea | hehe |
| 21:25 | if we actually had an awesome jar, we could fund a lot of patches. | |
| 21:30 | * cjh | needs to find a new word to express awesomeness |
| 21:30 | drojf | wahanui botsnack awesome jar |
| 21:30 | wahanui | :) |
| 21:30 | eythian | heh: [ 324] drojf is addressing me |
| 21:30 | [ 325] random praise [public,1]: botsnack awesome jar | |
| 21:30 | random praise indeed. | |
| 21:33 | jenkins_koha | Starting build #15 for job Koha_Docs_3.10.x (previous build: STILL FAILING) |
| 21:33 | Starting build #277 for job Koha_Docs (previous build: STILL FAILING -- last SUCCESS #60 9 mo 13 days ago) | |
| 21:33 | Project Koha_Docs_3.10.x build #15: STILL FAILING in 19 sec: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]a_Docs_3.10.x/15/ | |
| 21:33 | nengard: update mobil opac section with images | |
| 21:33 | Project Koha_Docs build #277: STILL FAILING in 17 sec: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]ob/Koha_Docs/277/ | |
| 21:33 | nengard: update mobil opac section with images | |
| 21:34 | wizzyrea | oh is that wahanui's log? |
| 21:34 | eythian | yeah |
| 21:34 | wizzyrea | haha |
| 21:34 | oh boy all of our foibles are recorded. | |
| 21:34 | yayeeeee | |
| 21:34 | eythian | -rw-rw-r-- 1 chrisc koha 74M Feb 4 21:34 wahanui.log |
| 21:35 | it's quite large | |
| 21:35 | wizzyrea | we have many foibles. |
| 21:35 | eythian | wahanui: status |
| 21:35 | wahanui | Since Mon Feb 4 20:59:50 2013, there have been 15 modifications and 14 questions. I have been awake for 35 minutes, 39 seconds this session, and currently reference 25689 factoids. Addressing is in optional mode. |
| 21:35 | drojf | I, spybot. |
| 21:37 | nengard left #koha | |
| 21:38 | wizzyrea joined #koha | |
| 21:44 | wizzyrea | cait - about? |
| 21:44 | cait | hm give me a few more minute |
| 21:44 | s | |
| 21:44 | I have to finish this | |
| 21:44 | wizzyrea | ah yep np |
| 21:51 | libsysguy | @later tell slef http://jira.koha-ils.com/secure/Dashboard.jspa |
| 21:51 | huginn | libsysguy: The operation succeeded. |
| 21:52 | cait | ok, here now :) |
| 21:52 | libsysguy | got the dishes all done cait? |
| 21:52 | cait | wizzyrea: ping |
| 21:52 | libsysguy: ages ago. I was working on my distance study course | |
| 21:52 | libsysguy | blech |
| 21:52 | cait | yeah |
| 21:53 | wizzyrea | well I was going to ask you about serials routing holds - we talked about this ages ago |
| 21:53 | but if you're busy it can wait. | |
| 21:53 | cait | more tired than busy |
| 21:53 | wizzyrea | ah yea, it's not worth taxing you over :) |
| 21:53 | cait | I think we were not sure how it should be handled |
| 21:53 | wizzyrea | well the way (as I understand it) it is supposed to work |
| 21:53 | cait | we argued between title level and item level hold somehowe |
| 21:53 | rangi | heh |
| 21:54 | cait | and then assumed it should be different |
| 21:54 | logs? hehe | |
| 21:54 | wizzyrea | is that each time you receive a serial, it is supposed to create holds for each serial |
| 21:54 | cait | for the issue |
| 21:54 | wizzyrea | right |
| 21:54 | for each issue of a serial | |
| 21:54 | cait | hm |
| 21:54 | for the issue you received | |
| 21:54 | wizzyrea | right |
| 21:54 | cait | for the people on the routing list in the order of the routing list |
| 21:55 | rangi | its the fact that biblioitem level holds were killed and when ppl killed them, they didnt update the routing list code |
| 21:55 | wizzyrea | yes, that is how I understand it. |
| 21:55 | cait | I am not sure how biblioitem level holds worked |
| 21:55 | rangi | basically that just needs to change to itemlevel holds, and it will be back the way the system was designed (and paid for) to work |
| 21:55 | wizzyrea | I just want to make sure that's how we should be expecting it to work |
| 21:55 | cait | I also wonder if you need item records for this to work... or if it could work without |
| 21:55 | rangi | you need item records |
| 21:55 | you cant circulate things that dont have item records | |
| 21:55 | wizzyrea | yea it wouldn't work without items. |
| 21:55 | cait | btw I had a library suggesting to print temporary barcodes on the routing lists... I liked that idea |
| 21:56 | wizzyrea | oo |
| 21:56 | cait | ok, so you need items |
| 21:56 | I think what would be nice is to make it able to turn it off and on - but we already have a pref for that globally | |
| 21:56 | I think | |
| 21:56 | wizzyrea | yes |
| 21:56 | there is a pref for that | |
| 21:57 | cait | so if people do not star but ring routing they can do that |
| 21:57 | wizzyrea | you can either have it do holds or not |
| 21:57 | already | |
| 21:57 | cait | it would be even nicer if you could make it per subscription - but that would be def an enhancement |
| 21:57 | wizzyrea | the holds are broken though. |
| 21:57 | cait | and the holds should be item specific now I think? |
| 21:57 | so they apply to only one issue | |
| 21:57 | wizzyrea | right |
| 21:58 | I was going to file a bug, but I didn't want to suggest that it should be a certain way if that's not the way it should be - and I think you have actually tried to use it? or did I misremember | |
| 21:58 | cait | rangi: I think you told me how it worked differently in the past, but I forgot :( |
| 21:58 | I have tested it - there is a bug - rangi left a comment on it yesterday I think | |
| 21:59 | if you look for routing you shoudl find some bugs even I think | |
| 21:59 | wizzyrea | oh I missed the comment >.< sorry rangi |
| 21:59 | cait | one about the holds being broken |
| 21:59 | it's an old report | |
| 21:59 | wizzyrea | right in 27-something |
| 21:59 | cait | yeah |
| 21:59 | wizzyrea | bug 2894 |
| 21:59 | cait | sorry, my brain is a bit... |
| 21:59 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=2894 major, P3, ---, paul.poulain, NEW , Routing list holds are broken |
| 22:00 | eythian | http://imgur.com/k9H6ORX |
| 22:01 | drojf | oh look, javascript and json use different time formats. wtf. |
| 22:02 | eythian | drojf: JSON is actually not a subset of javascript |
| 22:02 | they also support string encoding differently | |
| 22:03 | cait | good night #koha :) |
| 22:03 | drojf | confusing it is |
| 22:03 | good night cait | |
| 22:04 | cait | drojf: you should sleep sometime too, you know? ;) |
| 22:04 | drojf | but i want to playyyyy |
| 22:04 | cait | ... |
| 22:04 | cait left #koha | |
| 22:18 | Irma joined #koha | |
| 22:22 | edveal left #koha | |
| 23:00 | libsysguy | resistance is not futile. Its voltage divided by current |
| 23:01 | trea | ^^ |
| 23:01 | http://xkcd.com/643/ | |
| 23:11 | maximep joined #koha | |
| 23:16 | glawson_ joined #koha | |
| 23:17 | mtj | libsysguy++ -> http://koha-ils.com |
| 23:20 | jira looks to show some nice stats on the Koha codebase too -> http://koha-ils.com/users?sort[…]mits&d=asc&page=1 | |
| 23:23 | slef | :( |
| 23:25 | rangi | not correct stats tho |
| 23:25 | well partial stats | |
| 23:25 | http://git.koha-community.org/[…]ster/authors.html | |
| 23:27 | https://reviews.mahara.org/#/q/status:open,n,z <-- i think i still like gerrit better | |
| 23:28 | papa joined #koha | |
| 23:29 | rangi | mostly cos its FOSS |
| 23:29 | cjh | I like how you can quickly view the status (nice colours and symbols on the right) |
| 23:31 | mtj | slef, why the long face? |
| 23:31 | gerrit looks freakin' awesome | |
| 23:33 | slef | mtj: jira... not looked at gerrit yet... having some fun with disks at the moment |
| 23:36 | mtj | slef, ah yep - thats a double frown |
| 23:36 | rangi, do you still have a gerrit running for koha, somewhere… ? | |
| 23:41 | drojf | rangi: so what's the "more time upfront" people would have to spend with gerrit that they were to lazy for? isn't that info all coming from git? |
| 23:47 | maximep left #koha | |
| 23:50 | mtj | drojf, i think the 'more time upfront', is if we use gerrit in our patch signoff/qa workflow |
| 23:51 | the other option might be to just run a 'passive' gerrit, that only watches the Koha git repo | |
| 23:52 | … and is not used as part of our signoff/qa workflow | |
| 23:55 | tcohen joined #koha |
← Previous day | Today | Next day → | Search | Index