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| 00:30 | kohum joined #koha | |
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| 00:31 | kohum | to get 3.10.1 when i put the url in sources.list should i just put "squeeze" and not "oldstable" |
| 00:32 | rangi | thats right |
| 00:32 | 3.10.2 will be out in a couple of days | |
| 00:33 | kohum | dang. i got to finish this tonight. |
| 00:34 | rangi | its easy enough, you can just do apt-get upgrade when 3.10.2 comes out :) |
| 00:34 | kohum | so "squeeze" will get 3.10.1, right? or should i use "oldstable" |
| 00:34 | for now. | |
| 00:34 | rangi | oldstable will get you the latest 3.8.x release |
| 00:35 | stable/squeeze gets you the latest 3.10.x release | |
| 00:35 | kohum | stable/squeeze it is. FYI i am wajasu, |
| 00:38 | * wizzyrea | waves |
| 00:41 | kohum | looks like http://debian.koha-community.org/koha/dists/ has both squeeze and old stable point to Dec30th things. |
| 00:46 | rangi | yep |
| 00:47 | because 3.8.8 and 3.10.1 both came out december 22, and packages update december 30th | |
| 01:05 | kohum joined #koha | |
| 01:07 | kohum | can packages run both opac and staff client on one port these days?(i.e. 80) remember i was on 3.0 |
| 01:07 | rangi | you have always been able to |
| 01:07 | since koha 1.0 | |
| 01:07 | kohum | well i'll be |
| 01:07 | rangi | just lots of people dont have control of their dns |
| 01:08 | ports based is easier than name based virtualhosting if you don't know what you are doing :) | |
| 01:08 | hlt (the original Koha) has never run on anything other than 80 and 443 in the 12ish years they have been using it :) | |
| 01:11 | kohum | http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]ld_Stable_Version is what i'm walking through |
| 01:11 | INTRASUFFIX="-intra" must be the differentiator. | |
| 01:11 | wizzyrea | debian packages? |
| 01:11 | wahanui | debian packages are at debian.koha-community.org |
| 01:11 | rangi | packages? |
| 01:11 | wahanui | i heard packages was at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Debian |
| 01:11 | rangi | that one |
| 01:11 | wizzyrea | yes use that |
| 01:12 | man do we need to prune the wiki. | |
| 01:12 | rangi | yep |
| 01:13 | kohum | but using 8080 might be worth it because the internet pipe is small. |
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| 01:16 | jcamins_away | kohum: huh? |
| 01:17 | eythian | kohum: I don't think that makes sense |
| 01:18 | jcamins_away | ^^ exactly |
| 01:19 | wizzyrea | explain your reasoning |
| 01:19 | kohum | if my staff use myhost.domain:8080 from within, the traffic won't go out to the internet router to the internethost.domain:80 |
| 01:19 | wizzyrea | please |
| 01:19 | kohum | i had a sub 1MB pipe with folks sharing it. |
| 01:19 | jcamins_away | That reasoning does not make sense. |
| 01:21 | Either you are using views, in which case you are not hitting the external interface, no matter what the port is, or you aren't, in which case you are hitting the external interface no matter what if you don't have different domains, or you have different domains anyway in which case the port doesn't matter. | |
| 01:21 | And now it is time for dinner. | |
| 01:22 | kohum | it is time for dinner. |
| 01:23 | wizzyrea | dinner and a question - regarding the user flags - I have a mostly done patch to fix up the wording in and around that |
| 01:23 | in the menu, it's "set permssions" | |
| 01:23 | on the page it is "set privileges" | |
| 01:23 | the button says "set flags" | |
| 01:23 | which do we like best | |
| 01:23 | rangi | permissions |
| 01:24 | * wizzyrea | is going to go with permissions until someone says otherwise |
| 01:26 | goes a bit insane looking at the wording around some of those things | |
| 01:26 | mutters about "shoulda fixed that ages and ages ago" | |
| 01:27 | wizzyrea | but first... reading history export/report |
| 01:27 | then that. | |
| 01:27 | wahanui | then that is all you need |
| 01:40 | kohum | after koha-create i will load my legacy koha 3.0 and remove all biblios. |
| 01:40 | i wonder if/how i can configure ICU | |
| 01:42 | jcamins_away | I have never had problems with that, but other people have sworn it's impossible. |
| 01:56 | rangi | http://www.librarytechnology.o[…]erceptions2012.pl |
| 01:56 | some good gems in there | |
| 01:56 | koha -- independent tops satisfaction for academic libraries | |
| 01:58 | the fork is consistently at or close to the bottom | |
| 02:00 | ibeardslee | win |
| 02:00 | rangi | yup |
| 02:02 | Libraries that have implemented Koha independently reflect higher satisfaction than those that rely on commercial support arrangements. One might suppose that this reflects their enthusiasm toward open source and that they are essentially evaluating themselves rather than an external organization. ByWater Solutions continues to reap high praise from their support customers. Libraries using the versions of Koha supplied and supported by LibLime reflected | |
| 02:04 | http://www.librarytechnology.o[…]ey-2012-search.pl interesting too | |
| 02:04 | specially the comments | |
| 02:05 | ibeardslee | I also note that the system that is at Agent75's school is lower than Koha in the 'Product Satisfaction: All responces' |
| 02:05 | wizzyrea | ^.^ |
| 02:05 | rangi | :) |
| 02:05 | wizzyrea | spyyyydussssss |
| 02:06 | MrAgent075 joined #koha | |
| 02:07 | ibeardslee | speak of the devil |
| 02:08 | MrAgent075: just commenting on http://www.librarytechnology.o[…]erceptions2012.pl, comparing your school's system against Koha | |
| 02:08 | * wizzyrea | waves |
| 02:09 | MrAgent075 | Hello xD |
| 02:09 | cjh | MrAgent075: welcome! |
| 02:10 | wizzyrea | welcome *back* |
| 02:11 | MrAgent075 | Still haven't got that e-mail from Spydus yet... ;D |
| 02:11 | cjh | heh |
| 02:11 | wizzyrea | haha geez |
| 02:12 | jcamins_away | I have a test failing. |
| 02:12 | I'm not sure why. | |
| 02:13 | Oh, fixed it. | |
| 02:21 | mib_vczt1x joined #koha | |
| 02:21 | alohabot | Hi mib_vczt1x, Welcome to #koha. Feel free to use the '/nick yourname' command to choose a different name. If you need any help, just ask - there's usually someone around to help :) |
| 02:22 | eythian | @wunder nzwn |
| 02:22 | huginn | eythian: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 24.0°C (3:00 PM NZDT on January 22, 2013). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 57%. Dew Point: 15.0°C. Pressure: 30.18 in 1022 hPa (Rising). |
| 02:23 | eythian | 24 is a bit much really |
| 02:23 | * wizzyrea | wants to go outside |
| 02:23 | thinks 24 is the most perfectly perfect day she can possibly imagine | |
| 02:23 | * MrAgent075 | agrees. |
| 02:24 | jcamins_away | @later tell mtj Could you please have alohabot tell mib_ers that it, wahanui, and huginn are bots? |
| 02:24 | huginn | jcamins_away: The operation succeeded. |
| 02:25 | wizzyrea | hurried commit messages are so funny |
| 02:26 | "Bug 9382 - updating permission labels | |
| 02:26 | To test: | |
| 02:26 | do stuff. | |
| 02:26 | " | |
| 02:26 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9382 trivial, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Bold necessary permissions for staff client access. |
| 02:26 | wizzyrea | oh that makes me laugh |
| 02:26 | cjh | heh |
| 02:26 | wizzyrea | (I did that, by the way) |
| 02:28 | eythian | wizzyrea: the Kapai place on Cuba does good gelato shakes. I recommend them. |
| 02:28 | wizzyrea | Ooooo |
| 02:28 | gelato shakes! | |
| 02:31 | mib_vczt1x joined #koha | |
| 02:31 | alohabot | Hi mib_vczt1x, Welcome to #koha. Feel free to use the '/nick yourname' command to choose a different name. If you need any help, just ask - there's usually someone around to help :) |
| 02:32 | wizzyrea | for the time being, what is the "best" or "most correct" way to do database updates? |
| 02:32 | I think I have it mostly sorted | |
| 02:32 | I have the bit in updatedatabase | |
| 02:32 | rangi | yep |
| 02:32 | wizzyrea | but I just don't know where to change version numbers and where not to |
| 02:32 | rangi | you never change numbers |
| 02:33 | just make it XXX | |
| 02:33 | and never touch kohaversion.pl | |
| 02:33 | wizzyrea | hm ok I did that but my update never went. I'll try it again (it was late in the day when I last tried it) |
| 02:33 | jcamins_away | Unless you are talking about as RMaint. |
| 02:34 | MrAgent075 | wizzyrea: Bug 9382? Completely Trivial.. xD |
| 02:34 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9382 trivial, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Bold necessary permissions for staff client access. |
| 02:34 | wizzyrea | :) |
| 02:34 | well, actually | |
| 02:34 | rangi | just hit the update url manually, it wont trigger unless you mess with the version numbers, and you dont want to do that |
| 02:35 | wizzyrea | the omnibus that my patch is going to end up being is less trivial. |
| 02:35 | rangi | or run koha-update-schema if you use packages |
| 02:35 | wizzyrea | ohhhhh I forgot about that |
| 02:35 | see this is why I ask. | |
| 02:35 | ^.^ | |
| 02:35 | thanks :) | |
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| 02:42 | jcamins_away | ^^ new syspref caching. |
| 02:42 | mtj | ^^ hi jcamins_away, alohabot fixed :) |
| 02:42 | jcamins_away | Thanks! |
| 02:42 | Wait, no, just kidding. | |
| 02:43 | There we go. | |
| 02:43 | Now it has new caching. | |
| 02:44 | It's too inefficient, though. | |
| 02:44 | * jcamins_away | will work on that. |
| 02:44 | mtj | haay, whats specifically being cached? |
| 02:44 | jcamins_away | Sysprefs. |
| 02:44 | wahanui | sysprefs are "System Preferences", found on my Koha admin homepage |
| 02:45 | jcamins_away | How do I use NYTProf with Plack... |
| 02:45 | mtj | aah ok, using memcached - or other? |
| 02:45 | jcamins_away | Got it. |
| 02:45 | I don't remember, actually. | |
| 02:45 | I'll check. | |
| 02:45 | mtj | :p |
| 02:46 | jcamins_away | fastmmap. |
| 02:46 | Hold on while I mess with NYTProf. | |
| 02:46 | mtj | oooh, thats a new one |
| 02:46 | np, bork away... | |
| 02:47 | jcamins_away | I see. |
| 02:48 | expunge is wrong. | |
| 02:52 | purge, rather. | |
| 02:52 | Okay, so, problem with fastmmap. | |
| 02:52 | It's inefficient because it resorts the cache twice. | |
| 02:53 | memcached does not have this flaw. | |
| 02:53 | Naturally. | |
| 03:02 | mtj | hmm, weird behaviour - the doco doesnt mention Cache::FastMmap doing any sorting |
| 03:02 | jcamins_away | Of course it does. |
| 03:02 | It's a hash. | |
| 03:07 | mtj | i always thought hashes were not sorted - by default, in perl |
| 03:08 | cjh | afaik the keys are not guranteed to come out in any kind of order. |
| 03:08 | eythian | hashes aren't sorted in a predictable fashion |
| 03:08 | mtj | 'The keys of a hash are returned in an apparently random order.' -> http://perldoc.perl.org/functions/keys.html |
| 03:09 | eythian | but they are still ordered |
| 03:09 | just not an order useful for you | |
| 03:10 | mtj | 'Since Perl 5.8.1 the ordering can be different even between different runs of Perl for security reasons ' |
| 03:11 | jcamins_away | hashes are sorted by definition. |
| 03:11 | That's what makes them useful. | |
| 03:12 | eythian | I don't think I'd call them sorted. |
| 03:12 | Their sort order isn't useful for anything except themselves. | |
| 03:12 | jcamins_away | eythian: sure they are. |
| 03:12 | They're sorted into a heap. | |
| 03:13 | It may be there's a better term for that. | |
| 03:13 | eythian | uhm |
| 03:14 | they're in the heap in the sense that heap is used for memory storage in general | |
| 03:14 | jcamins_away | They don't use b-tree heaps? |
| 03:15 | eythian | For collision resolution? |
| 03:15 | cjh | if you take the hash of the key and sort them, the order is not necessarily the same as the order you would get by sorting the keys. |
| 03:16 | eythian | they might use trees internally, but trees aren't ideal except in not so common cases. |
| 03:17 | cjh | I was guessing it would be a hash-based offset into an array, possibly with variable hash length or something else more fun. |
| 03:17 | jcamins_away | Hm. |
| 03:17 | In that case, Cache::FastMmap is not using a hash. | |
| 03:18 | eythian | Perl hashs are an array pointing to linked list, according to the source code. |
| 03:18 | * jcamins_away | is having his first look into xs code. |
| 03:18 | jcamins_away | It's painful. |
| 03:18 | eythian | I don't think I've had to do that before. |
| 03:18 | I'm OK with that. | |
| 03:19 | jcamins_away | lol |
| 03:19 | Understandably. | |
| 03:19 | cjh | the perl source is still downloading for me :( |
| 03:19 | jcamins_away | My favorite is the way they decided not to have any comprehensible variable names. |
| 03:19 | eythian | cjh: all you need is hv.c |
| 03:20 | jcamins_away | Because 'sv' 'pv' 'mu' 'pl' and 'hv' make oh so much sense. |
| 03:20 | cjh | eythian: where are you looking at it though? |
| 03:20 | eythian | http://cpansearch.perl.org/src[…]K/perl-5.8.8/hv.c |
| 03:20 | jcamins_away | I think that's scalar value, pointer value, [no idea], [perl?], and hash value. |
| 03:21 | eythian | jcamins_away: mu is undefined. |
| 03:21 | http://doc.perl6.org/type/Mu <-- the most undefined value in perl 6, in fact :) | |
| 03:21 | cjh | hahaha |
| 03:22 | jcamins_away | Okay, expiration *should* work. |
| 03:22 | According to the code. | |
| 03:23 | I only had to go through five files until I found where it checked expiration. | |
| 03:33 | Hm. | |
| 03:33 | It should work. | |
| 03:33 | Really. | |
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| 03:41 | eythian | http://i.imgur.com/opNnoOx.gif <-- creepy |
| 03:41 | wizzyrea | brains are awesome |
| 03:42 | eythian | go well with truffles |
| 03:45 | mtj | has anyone spotted the 2012 'churn' stats on libwebcats? |
| 03:46 | rangi | the turnover yep |
| 03:46 | http://www.librarytechnology.o[…]erse.pl?Year=2012 | |
| 03:46 | that one? | |
| 03:46 | http://www.librarytechnology.o[…]erse.pl?Year=2013 <-- its pretty much realtime | |
| 03:47 | wizzyrea | wait no one left bywater last year? |
| 03:47 | hot diggity. | |
| 03:48 | mtj | perfect, thanks chris |
| 03:48 | rangi | mtj: you saw the perceptions write up eh? |
| 03:50 | jcamins_away | Oh, for crying out loud! |
| 03:50 | I figured out the problem. | |
| 03:50 | mtj | rangi, yeah - i just read them :) |
| 03:50 | jcamins_away | If you are depending on your code to take at least one second to run and then use a faster cache... |
| 03:51 | all the tests go to hell. | |
| 03:57 | Add one second to your sleep statements, and everything works beautifully. | |
| 03:57 | eythian | heh |
| 03:57 | rangi | heh |
| 03:59 | jcamins_away | Hm. |
| 03:59 | NYTProf under Plack does not like git installs. | |
| 04:32 | This is weird. perlcritic is complaining that I don't unpack @_ first, and I do. | |
| 04:32 | Oh! | |
| 04:32 | I see. | |
| 04:34 | I'm down to just one complaint: http://paste.koha-community.org/363 | |
| 04:40 | mtj: (or anyone else) BTW, if you're curious: http://git.cpbibliography.com/[…]fs/heads/cachetie | |
| 04:40 | * jcamins_away | goes to bed. |
| 04:42 | mtj | nice!, i'll take a proper look in a bit... |
| 04:42 | jcamins++ | |
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| 06:40 | * magnuse | waves |
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| 07:20 | cait | morning #koha |
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| 07:27 | reiveune | hello |
| 07:32 | magnuse | hiya cait and reiveune et al |
| 07:32 | reiveune | hi everybody |
| 07:33 | magnuse | looks like paul_p was having a good time at a conference yesterday? :-) |
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| 07:39 | alex_a | bonjour |
| 07:39 | wahanui | hello, alex_a |
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| 08:46 | alohabot | Hi mib_n3b4bq, Welcome to #koha. Feel free to use the '/nick yourname' command to choose a different name. alohabot, wahanui, and huginn are bots. If you need any help, just ask - there's usually someone around to help :) |
| 08:46 | mib_n3b4bq | hii |
| 08:47 | need some help about zebra reindexing | |
| 08:48 | installed centos 6.2-32 bits and koha 3.8 and zebra 2.0 | |
| 08:49 | zebra reindexing is not working | |
| 08:49 | with manual and also with cron | |
| 08:50 | full indexing is working with -r option | |
| 08:53 | any help ? what is to be check | |
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| 09:06 | govind | hello |
| 09:08 | how to install koha on ubuntu 12.04 | |
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| 09:16 | kf | packages? |
| 09:16 | wahanui | well, packages is at http://wiki.koha-community.org/wiki/Debian |
| 09:16 | kf | govind: see link :) |
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| 11:43 | vfernandes | good morning all :) |
| 11:45 | kf | hi vfernandes |
| 11:45 | vfernandes | it's today that I will finish the 3.10 translations to portuguese :D 99% |
| 11:45 | kf | yay! |
| 11:46 | vfernandes | right in time to the release of 3.10 new subversion |
| 11:46 | kf | :) |
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| 11:56 | drojf | hi #koha |
| 11:56 | kf | hi drojf |
| 11:56 | drojf | hi kf :) |
| 11:56 | kf | :) |
| 11:59 | gerundio | hey drojf |
| 11:59 | drojf | hi gerundio |
| 12:00 | ugh. somebody in the library keeps sneezing and sneezing | |
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| 12:32 | kf | drojf: distracting? :) |
| 12:36 | magnuse | or contagious... |
| 12:42 | drojf | lol |
| 12:42 | it stopped | |
| 12:42 | or he left | |
| 12:42 | some people started to laugh | |
| 12:42 | so i had sneezing from one side and laughing from the other :D | |
| 12:43 | jcamins_away | drojf: both distracting and contagious! |
| 12:44 | drojf | i think i should enable ICU. i wish we had a google group to teach me how |
| 12:45 | jcamins_away | Hehe. |
| 12:47 | vfernandes | 3.10 fully translated to portuguese :D |
| 12:48 | OMG i have almost 30K commits... | |
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| 12:53 | kf | drojf: maybe you should have your own google group |
| 12:55 | drojf | oh. that might be the solution to all my problems |
| 12:56 | or was that alcohol? :D | |
| 12:57 | i think a wise man once said "to alcohol, the cause of, and solution to, all of life's problems" | |
| 13:02 | kf | drojf: as long as its gluten free... |
| 13:03 | drojf | booze usually is ;) |
| 13:03 | i miss beer :( | |
| 13:04 | kf | there once will be drinkable gluten free beer |
| 13:04 | drojf | when are the old bugs coming? |
| 13:04 | kf | hm not sure |
| 13:04 | are all the old old bugs there? | |
| 13:05 | slef slef slef *summon* | |
| 13:05 | drojf | i don't really think i'd have time for that today but just in case i get bored with paid work… ;) |
| 13:06 | kf | you could go on and fix someof the old bugs if you get bored ;) |
| 13:06 | drojf | i would probably look at bug 4888 again |
| 13:06 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4888 enhancement, PATCH-Sent (DO NOT USE), ---, salva, Patch doesn't apply , pre-set of field indicators value |
| 13:06 | drojf | i'd like to resurrect it |
| 13:08 | kf | sounds like a ogod iea |
| 13:08 | hm with less typos | |
| 13:09 | drojf | lol |
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| 13:09 | drojf | how is the "icu_chain locale" used? is it used at all. i think it cannot be empty, but apart from that? |
| 13:09 | jcamins_away | I do not believe it has any impact. |
| 13:09 | drojf | "is it used at all?" is supposed to be a question |
| 13:09 | kf | i think jcamins_away did some tests |
| 13:09 | ah | |
| 13:09 | there he is | |
| 13:09 | drojf | ok, thanks |
| 13:10 | vkm | Z39.50 is not working 3.8.8, i am using over the intranet so pls let me know the problem or need any additional setting |
| 13:10 | jcamins_away | vkm: what isn't working? |
| 13:11 | vkm | it does not search documents always says, nothing found and connection time out |
| 13:11 | jcamins_away | What hosts are you using? |
| 13:11 | vkm | 80 for opac and 8080 for staff |
| 13:12 | jcamins_away | What Z39.50 hosts are you using? |
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| 13:13 | jcamins_away | What Z39.50 hosts are you using? |
| 13:14 | vkm1 | i am using host 80 for opac and 8080 for staff, but z3950 is not fetching any result |
| 13:14 | jcamins_away | I don't know what that means. |
| 13:14 | drojf | is word-phrase-utf.chr completely unneccessary/ unneeded with ICU? or do i have to turn all the things in there into some magic words-icu.xml format? |
| 13:14 | jcamins_away | You just told me the port numbers you are using for your OPAC and staff client. |
| 13:14 | That has nothing to do with Z39.50. | |
| 13:14 | drojf: that is correct. word-phrase-utf.chr is not used by ICU. | |
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| 13:15 | jcamins_away | vkm1: when you say "Z39.50" does not work, what does that mean? |
| 13:15 | vkm2 | i am using 80 for opac and 8080 for staff |
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| 13:17 | jcamins_away | vkm3: I know that, and but what does that have to do with Z39.50? |
| 13:17 | vkm3 | it says no data found in LOC etc |
| 13:17 | means data is available on loc but why it does not fething | |
| 13:18 | it always never fetch for data | |
| 13:18 | jcamins_away | Okay. |
| 13:18 | What _hosts_ are you searching? | |
| 13:18 | LOC? | |
| 13:18 | Somewhere else? | |
| 13:22 | vkm3 | loc host is z3950.loc.gov and port is 7090, mine port for staff access is 8080 |
| 13:23 | jcamins_away | I don't need to know what port you are using. What boxes are you checking when searching Z39.50? |
| 13:23 | LOC? | |
| 13:23 | Something else? | |
| 13:23 | vkm3: based on how many times you've been disconnected in the last few minutes, the most likely problem is that your internet connection is not stable enough for Z39.50. | |
| 13:24 | It could also be that your firewall is not allowing the connection to port 7090. | |
| 13:24 | vkm3 | you may be right, our internet is having so many public IP which always changes during the browsing |
| 13:25 | jcamins_away | Z39.50 cannot handle that. |
| 13:27 | vkm3 | i am checking all three boxes for three z39 server and feeding nanotechnology in tile only |
| 13:28 | jcamins_away | Which three boxes are they? |
| 13:28 | vkm3 | even searching in LOC only it gives same result, nothing found and connection time out |
| 13:28 | jcamins_away | So there are two possibilities: 1) your Internet connection, and 2) there is a firewall blocking that port. |
| 13:29 | Or those ports. | |
| 13:29 | There's nothing you can do from Koha to address either of those issues. | |
| 13:29 | vkm3 | columbia, smithsonian and LOC |
| 13:29 | jcamins_away | Okay, I use all of those regularly and they work, so it's not a problem with the servers. |
| 13:30 | Sorry- I wish I had better news for you. | |
| 13:34 | vkm3 | so should i contact to our computer center or i can enable firwall from koha server |
| 13:35 | jcamins_away | You'll have to contact your computer center. |
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| 13:39 | vkm3 | ok, one more thing my hold limit is always picking limit from system preference setup not from circulation previleges |
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| 14:02 | nengard | hey all, anyone know what table the log of notices sent to patrons is kept in (the Notices tab on the patron's record shows these) |
| 14:04 | druthb | the message_queue. |
| 14:04 | wahanui | the message_queue is good for reporting |
| 14:04 | * druthb | pokes wahanui with her pointy stick |
| 14:05 | nengard | thanks |
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| 14:07 | druthb | kf: Got your permissions error cleared up. |
| 14:08 | vkm3 | is it possible to restrict purchase sugession users category wise? |
| 14:09 | i.e only perticular category can place purchase sugession | |
| 14:10 | druthb | vkm3: Not currently, no...it's either on for everyone, or off for everyone. |
| 14:13 | kf | druthb: thx |
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| 14:18 | gerundio | vfernandes, are you around? |
| 14:22 | guys, I'm trying to signoff a patch | |
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| 14:22 | gerundio | can I do it on a production like installation? |
| 14:23 | I finished installing a pre-production/development koha instance | |
| 14:25 | in order for it to be as similar as the production setup as possible I chose to install in /usr/share/koha with and /etc/koha | |
| 14:25 | and not the option for a development environment where the source package directory would be used | |
| 14:25 | so now I guess I can apply patches directly as stated in http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]gn_off_on_patches, right? | |
| 14:26 | kf | gerundio: not sure I am following you |
| 14:27 | gerundio | there are 2 flavours of koha setups, right? |
| 14:27 | kf | but I think you can't apply patches to an installation done as standard |
| 14:27 | in opposite to dev | |
| 14:27 | because the file paths will be wron | |
| 14:27 | g | |
| 14:27 | gerundio | exactly |
| 14:28 | after unpacking the source tar.gz the directory structure is "all at the same level" so to speak | |
| 14:28 | which match the patches' paths | |
| 14:29 | so the next question that comes to mind is, what is the right way to apply a patch on a production environment? | |
| 14:31 | mtj | gerundio, the short answer is … there isnt :/ |
| 14:32 | kf | gerundio: production environments are ot dev environments... supposed to run stable code |
| 14:32 | mtj | (… its one on my big peeves with koha currently) |
| 14:32 | kf | gerundio: I think what others do is building their own packages |
| 14:33 | gerundio: you apply the patch to a dev installation, you bilt no packages and deploy them to your production system | |
| 14:33 | hope I explained that right :) | |
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| 14:33 | gerundio | you did |
| 14:34 | magnuse | http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]es_-_The_Easy_Way |
| 14:34 | gerundio | just not sure how the patch package building works |
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| 14:34 | gerundio | and magnuse for the saving :D |
| 14:34 | drojf | grr |
| 14:35 | kf | he beat drojf to it |
| 14:35 | drojf | ? |
| 14:35 | kf | ah, you were referring to your wobbly internet connection... never mind .) |
| 14:35 | gerundio: I have done it to test package related patches, it seems to work | |
| 14:36 | drojf | works for me |
| 14:37 | do i have to reindex after adding 880 linking fields? | |
| 14:37 | magnuse | gah! #marcmustdie! |
| 14:37 | gerundio | btw, the only difference between the dev environment and the production one is the location of the files? |
| 14:38 | magnuse | bibsys uses subfield 700$ø for something, and now i have <subfield code="�">trois mousquetaires</subfield> in my marc blobs... |
| 14:38 | gerundio | after this talk I'm thinking of setting up a proper dev installation to test patches and such |
| 14:38 | drojf | 700$ø ? |
| 14:38 | lol | |
| 14:38 | kf | 880 is not indexed by default :( |
| 14:38 | magnuse | gerundio: sounds like an excellent idea ;-) |
| 14:38 | kf | magnuse: it might be valid, check marc documentation :P |
| 14:38 | magnuse | drojf: no lol, just sob... |
| 14:38 | kf | magnuse: inf act I think you can use some weird things there |
| 14:39 | drojf | kf: what? as in, you have to add the index to zebra? |
| 14:39 | magnuse | kf: well, it seems koha (or probably zebra) does not like it... |
| 14:39 | drojf | i don't remember doing that |
| 14:39 | gerundio | if I use a clone DB from the production I'll be able to have a pre-production like environment, right? |
| 14:39 | kf | drojf: exactly as in that |
| 14:40 | drojf | magnuse: isn't that an encoding problem and not marc's fault (this time)? |
| 14:40 | kf: meh | |
| 14:40 | kf | drojf: I had hoped it would be part of the dom indexing |
| 14:40 | drojf: but I think there was no time to include it | |
| 14:40 | drojf | make it! make it now! |
| 14:40 | :( | |
| 14:40 | gerundio | kf++ magnuse++ mtj++ drojf++ |
| 14:40 | kf | drojf: dom would make it really interesting because then you coudl split 880 and assign them to the proper indexes (author, title... ) |
| 14:41 | magnuse | drojf: it's all MARC's fault in my eyes ;-) |
| 14:41 | drojf | magnuse: you are probably right :D |
| 14:44 | omg the sneezing starts again | |
| 14:45 | magnuse | and i wouldn't mind 700$ø if it wasn't for the fact that records that contains that field gives an ugly "utf8 "\xC3" does not map to Unicode at /usr/lib/perl/5.10/Encode.pm line 174." when you do a search that turns up one of them |
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| 15:01 | drojf | @&!))(=?!§$ |
| 15:01 | huginn | drojf: I've exhausted my database of quotes |
| 15:03 | kf | magnuse: ouch. |
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| 15:07 | magnuse | and yes, emptying some 700$ø fields made that error go away |
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| 15:21 | vfernandes | need help: configure Z39.50 for Koha? |
| 15:22 | I want to "expose" my record via Z39.50... there is any wiki to do that? | |
| 15:24 | drojf | vfernandes: you have to edit koha-conf.xml, i think there are comments with explanations |
| 15:25 | vfernandes | but I have to install something? |
| 15:26 | drojf | z39.50 server is done by zebra, so i think no |
| 15:27 | kf | vfernandes: no additional installation needed (I have tested it sometime ago, works nicely :) ) |
| 15:28 | drojf | icu seems to work. which is not that useful without 880 of course :/ |
| 15:29 | vfernandes | in which version? |
| 15:29 | wahanui | in which version is, like, it possible |
| 15:29 | drojf | vfernandes: i don't understand your question |
| 15:30 | gerundio | just finished some operations regarding the setup of the dev environment |
| 15:30 | vfernandes | works on 3.2 for example? |
| 15:30 | gerundio | 1st access to the web installer and I get this error: |
| 15:30 | Template process failed: file error - /usr/share/koha/intranet/htdocs/intranet-tmpl/prog/en/modules/installer/auth.tt: not found at (...)/C4/Templates.pm line 127. | |
| 15:30 | drojf | 3.2 is really old so i have no idea. but my guess is that it does not make a difference how old koha is but what version of zebra you use |
| 15:31 | vfernandes | zebra is the last version |
| 15:32 | gerundio | any idea what's the origin of this error? |
| 15:33 | drojf | vfernandes: have you looked at koha-conf.xml? if it has a part about z39.50 i guess you are good to go |
| 15:34 | gerundio: if you have set it up with git then you have to change some paths. because your koha should not be uin /usr/share/koha | |
| 15:35 | gerundio | I used a tar.gz not git |
| 15:35 | I'm looking at the koha-conf.xml and all paths seem fine | |
| 15:35 | drojf | ok that is different. and i don't know about your error |
| 15:36 | gerundio | neither does google for that matter :D |
| 15:38 | drojf | did you get a tar.gz of master? maybe it's broken at the moment? |
| 15:38 | kf | could be broken templates |
| 15:38 | old translation file | |
| 15:39 | gerundio: are you looking at 'not english'? | |
| 15:39 | gerundio | don't have any additional language set |
| 15:39 | kf | and there is none installed? |
| 15:39 | in hte system? | |
| 15:39 | gerundio | kf, it's a clean install |
| 15:40 | drojf, not tar.gz from the master... got the one for koha-3.08.05 | |
| 15:42 | kf, your a saviour | |
| 15:42 | drojf | what did you mean by dev then? |
| 15:42 | gerundio | memcached from the previous installation :D |
| 15:42 | kf++ | |
| 15:43 | kf | gerundio: I didn't tell you memcache, all your own idea .) |
| 15:43 | drojf | (16:30:11) gerundio: just finished some operations regarding the setup of the dev environment |
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| 15:43 | drojf | i thought you are talking about a koha dev version |
| 15:43 | gerundio | I know, but the hints about a previous installation did the trick |
| 15:44 | drojf, dev as in a environment with the same version I currently have in production | |
| 15:44 | but installed with the dev option | |
| 15:44 | so I test patches and create the packages | |
| 15:46 | just not the standard definition for dev you have in mind I guess :) | |
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| 15:47 | oleonard | Hi #koha |
| 15:47 | drojf | hi oleonard |
| 15:49 | SJeffery | Can anyone explain why in the frameworks editor there would be no subfields in the 008 field even in the default framework (though they appear in the cataloging module)? What is the solution, add them in manually to have them recognized? |
| 15:49 | druthb | Fields below 010 do not have subfields, in the MARC standard. |
| 15:50 | SJeffery | So how do I edit the defaults for "fixed length data elements - general information"? |
| 15:51 | kf | SJeffery: you can't |
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| 15:52 | kf | SJeffery: well you can, but you have to give a default for the whole field and the plugins may not play nicely |
| 15:53 | SJeffery | Well that is certainly odd:) |
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| 15:53 | druthb | In the MARC Framework Editor, it shows a subfield "@", which is the whole field...you could give it a default there, but see kf's note there. |
| 15:53 | kf | SJeffery: the subfield you can do that for is @ because it is no subfield structure in the field |
| 15:55 | SJeffery | I am going to chalk this one up to "features of Koha that were (oddly) never developed" |
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| 15:58 | reiveune | bye |
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| 16:33 | sturmtruppen | hi everyone. when i click on "Mark bibliographic framework test" i get "invalid authority types". I do nothing after Debian installation by packages |
| 16:39 | no idea? | |
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| 16:50 | sturmtruppen | ok, how can i add a library? |
| 16:50 | sorry, wrong idea... add a z3950 server... | |
| 16:52 | find it, no need answer | |
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| 17:10 | jcamins_away | I set defaults for 008 all the time. |
| 17:10 | I have had zero problems with it. | |
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| 17:32 | gerundio | chris_n, I've heard you're the person to talk to in terms of labels... did I heard correctly? :) |
| 17:36 | oleonard | gerundio: chris_n did most of the original work, but as far as I know isn't continuing development of the feature. |
| 17:37 | gerundio | ok oleonard |
| 17:37 | wahanui | i guess oleonard is not really here. He said so. He did! |
| 17:37 | gerundio | any idea who I might talk to regarding this feature? |
| 17:38 | jcamins_away | chris_n is the closest you're going to find to an expert. |
| 17:39 | He's pretty expert. | |
| 17:39 | libsysguy | pro |
| 17:40 | oleonard | gerundio: I said what I said in case you were going to ask "Could you make it do this...?" :) |
| 17:40 | gerundio | not really |
| 17:41 | I'm having troubles with label printing | |
| 17:41 | rambutan | oleonard et al: I have this note in my notes: " add autocomplete="off" to borrowernumbers and barcode forms". It's not clear to me now what I meant then. Can anybody decypher that? |
| 17:41 | gerundio | I'm getting empty XML and CSV files when I export |
| 17:41 | and just a blurry PDF | |
| 17:42 | oleonard | rambutan: We add that attribute to input fields which receive book or patron barcodes |
| 17:42 | gerundio | I wasn't able to find any info on that subject |
| 17:42 | and someone pointed me to chris_n | |
| 17:43 | rambutan | so is that a syspref or setting somewhere? |
| 17:43 | oleonard | rambutan: It's a template authoring practice/guideline. |
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| 18:04 | chris_n | heya gerundio |
| 18:04 | wahanui | gerundio are you moving principal_name to auth_by_dn_bind |
| 18:05 | gerundio | wahanui, ?!? in that LDAP bug ticket? |
| 18:05 | wahanui | gerundio: bugger all, i dunno |
| 18:05 | gerundio | hey chris_n, read up if you can |
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| 18:06 | gerundio | wahanui, look at bug 7973 |
| 18:06 | wahanui | gerundio: huh? |
| 18:06 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7973 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, Needs Signoff , Allow for new type of LDAP authentication |
| 18:06 | chris_n | gerundio: well, besides learning that I'm an expert, I also learned you are having label issues |
| 18:06 | gerundio | that's right |
| 18:06 | wahanui | no it's not. |
| 18:06 | chris_n | what do you mean by "blurry PDF"? |
| 18:07 | * chris_n | tells wahanui to put a cap on it or a plug in it |
| 18:07 | * gerundio | has been caught me off guard by the bot |
| 18:08 | gerundio | instead of a well defined barcode I get a blurry one |
| 18:08 | chris_n | the bot is good at doing that |
| 18:08 | gerundio | with no barcode other info on it |
| 18:08 | chris_n | strange |
| 18:08 | what version of koha are you using? | |
| 18:08 | we're using the latest stable release without issues | |
| 18:09 | gerundio | 3.8.5 |
| 18:09 | the weirdest part, as I've been told, is that the feature works as expected for imported records | |
| 18:09 | chris_n | I'm not aware of any issues in 3.8.x |
| 18:09 | gerundio | but for the new catalogued items it doesn't |
| 18:09 | chris_n | so its just locally created records which manifest the problem |
| 18:10 | gerundio | yeah, I've looked for any reference and didn't found any either |
| 18:10 | yes | |
| 18:10 | chris_n | strange indeed |
| 18:10 | any chance you can send along some of the "broken" records in marc format for me to look at? | |
| 18:10 | gerundio | let me see if I can put an example somewhere for you to look at |
| 18:10 | chris_n | ok |
| 18:11 | * chris_n | wonders if jacamins_away noticed the plot against cats in nz? |
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| 18:11 | chris_n | jcamins_away rather |
| 18:12 | gerundio | does it help if I give you URLs in my OPAC for 1 record that works and 1 that doesn't? |
| 18:12 | chris_n | we can see |
| 18:12 | jcamins_away | chris_n: I did not. There's a plot against cats in NZ?!? |
| 18:13 | chris_n | <chris_n> [off] ouch... http://abcnews.go.com/Internat[…]-thought-18281918 |
| 18:13 | gerundio | chris_n, working: https://opac.fct.unl.pt/cgi-bi[…]iblionumber=32210 not working: https://opac.fct.unl.pt/cgi-bi[…]iblionumber=60855 |
| 18:13 | jcamins_away | Wow. |
| 18:13 | * chris_n | looks |
| 18:15 | chris_n | jcamins_away: I'm sure we can depend on rangi and wizzyrea to put a stop to it |
| 18:15 | gerundio | ?? |
| 18:16 | jcamins_away | gerundio: the cats are eating the birds. |
| 18:16 | gerundio | home owned cats? |
| 18:16 | jcamins_away | Apparently. |
| 18:16 | * jcamins_away | has an indoor cat. |
| 18:17 | gerundio | so people are feeding those birds to their cats? |
| 18:17 | jcamins_away | We should ask rangi and wizzyrea why they're letting their cats out to eat birds. ;) |
| 18:18 | gerundio | jcamins_away, are you giving tweety to your sylvester? |
| 18:18 | jcamins_away | gerundio: hehe. |
| 18:18 | * jcamins_away | would, if it weren't for the fact that the battle would get feathers everywhere. |
| 18:18 | jcamins_away | We're both very allergic to feathers. |
| 18:18 | :P | |
| 18:18 | gerundio | call me crazy, but lets say ppl don't get a replacement cat like he's saying |
| 18:19 | what's the probability for a stray cat to eat a bird VS a home cat of doing it? | |
| 18:19 | jcamins_away | I would think that the house cats would not make a significant difference. |
| 18:19 | gerundio | chris_n, any breakthrough regarding those records? |
| 18:19 | druthb | My two indoor cats are so terrified of the outside that it's not an issue. |
| 18:19 | jcamins_away | Myshkin likes the idea of going outside. |
| 18:21 | gerundio | druthb, I ear you... I've heard a lot of reports on that behaviour from the felines |
| 18:22 | druthb | My big one...if you try to take him outside, you *will* need first-aid. He's almost 10 kg, and has all his claws. When he gets upset, he's quite a handful. |
| 18:24 | rangi | Home cats kill a huge number of birds |
| 18:24 | jcamins_away | rangi: are stray cats not a problem in NZ? |
| 18:24 | rangi | Not really no |
| 18:25 | druthb | Different part of the world. I didn't hardly see any stray cats in Mumbai, either. *tons* of stray dogs, but sekjal and I only spotted a few cats. |
| 18:25 | chris_n | gerundio: still looking |
| 18:25 | rangi | Stoats and possums are a bigger problem |
| 18:26 | jcamins_away | In Astoria, where we lived in a small enough building that we could see the cats wandering around, there was one pet cat that went outside, and about two dozen strays. |
| 18:26 | gerundio | chris_n, thanks for the time :) |
| 18:26 | rangi | Dudes a rich white economist |
| 18:26 | Who is a super troll | |
| 18:26 | Best to just ignore him | |
| 18:26 | jcamins_away | Our landlord's girlfriend was trying to socialize them enough to catch them and get them fixed. |
| 18:27 | chris_n | gerundio: can you post a shot of a messed up label? |
| 18:27 | rangi | Economists somehow think they have a divine right to pontificate about stuff they know nothing about |
| 18:28 | chris_n | +1 |
| 18:28 | jcamins_away | rangi: wait... you mean the degree doesn't come with a card that allows them to do that?!? |
| 18:28 | druthb | rangi: Working on your pull requests now. Okay to include a patch to the About/Translation page in there? |
| 18:28 | rangi | Hehe |
| 18:28 | Sure is | |
| 18:28 | Thanks | |
| 18:29 | druthb | Okie. I'll need to send that *same* patch into master, too, Mr. jcamins_away RM-ly dude. |
| 18:29 | jcamins_away | Thanks. |
| 18:29 | rangi | Yep |
| 18:31 | gerundio | chris_n, here: http://i.imgur.com/XiH6hEs.png |
| 18:32 | chris_n | gerundio: which record is that from? |
| 18:33 | and what is the size of your label? | |
| 18:33 | jenkins_koha | Starting build #262 for job Koha_Docs (previous build: STILL FAILING -- last SUCCESS #60 8 mo 29 days ago) |
| 18:33 | Starting build #6 for job Koha_Docs_3.10.x (previous build: STILL FAILING) | |
| 18:33 | Project Koha_Docs build #262: STILL FAILING in 1 min 6 sec: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]ob/Koha_Docs/262/ | |
| 18:33 | chris_n | it looks like you've run amuck of the scaling problem |
| 18:33 | jenkins_koha | nengard: link to search indexes chart |
| 18:33 | Project Koha_Docs_3.10.x build #6: STILL FAILING in 1 min 6 sec: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]ha_Docs_3.10.x/6/ | |
| 18:33 | nengard: link to search indexes chart | |
| 18:33 | Starting build #14 for job Koha_Docs_3.8.x (previous build: SUCCESS) | |
| 18:34 | gerundio | chris_n, 2.5 x 5.1 cm if I'm not mistaken |
| 18:34 | jenkins_koha | Project Koha_Docs_3.8.x build #14: SUCCESS in 19 sec: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]ha_Docs_3.8.x/14/ |
| 18:34 | nengard: link to search indexes chart | |
| 18:34 | gerundio | the record is the one I pasted before as the one that failed: https://opac.fct.unl.pt/cgi-bi[…]iblionumber=60855 |
| 18:39 | chris_n, here the resulting PDF from batch with 3 records | |
| 18:39 | https://www.sugarsync.com/pf/D[…]60_7327347_279773 | |
| 18:41 | 1st item barcode: 0037307 (works), 2nd: 0076742 (doesn't work) and 3rd: 0032358 (works) | |
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| 18:41 | gerundio | 1st and 3rd records are from the import we've done using the MARC import tool |
| 18:42 | the 2nd record is a new one created using the new record cataloguing feature | |
| 18:44 | chris_n | gerundio: well, it looks like a broken record, but I'm not sure what is broken without throwing a lot of time at it |
| 18:44 | gerundio | ok, just give me some hints on where I can debug the issue |
| 18:44 | chris_n | we create in house records many times without any issues |
| 18:45 | druthb | jcamins_away: Do you want me to create a *bug* for the update to the about.tt, or just send you the patch? |
| 18:45 | jcamins_away | Stick it on the about.tt bug. |
| 18:45 | @query about | |
| 18:45 | huginn | jcamins_away: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=2705 enhancement, P3, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Patron import should warn about invalid characters |
| 18:45 | jcamins_away: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6735 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, colin.campbell, NEW , Note about range isn't showing range | |
| 18:45 | jcamins_away: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8404 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Show additional information about borrowers on routing list | |
| 18:45 | jcamins_away: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7750 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, nengard, NEW , Release notes for stable releases should be in Master | |
| 18:45 | jcamins_away: 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5968 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , News display on opac-main.pl is particular about browser language settings | |
| 18:46 | druthb | 9418? |
| 18:46 | wahanui | 9418 is the usual git port. |
| 18:46 | jcamins_away | Bug 7143. |
| 18:46 | wahanui | bug 7143 is probably ready for an easy signoff |
| 18:46 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7143 trivial, P5 - low, ---, m.de.rooy, Pushed to Master , Bug for tracking changes to the about page |
| 18:46 | druthb | Ah! |
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| 18:46 | chris_n | gerundio: something appears to be amiss with the record in such a way that the fields are not retrieved properly when creating the label, so I'd say to start |
| 18:46 | in the label-create-pdf.pl script | |
| 18:46 | http://git.koha-community.org/[…]feaacb604;hb=HEAD | |
| 18:47 | maybe dump the contents of the label object once it is created and see if anything is missing/messed up | |
| 18:47 | gerundio | ok |
| 18:47 | chris_n | then work back from there |
| 18:47 | gerundio | thanks a lot, I'll do that |
| 18:47 | chris_n++ | |
| 18:48 | got to go now | |
| 18:48 | chris_n | I have plans to move the creator foo from pdf to the browser using css.... just not time to do it |
| 18:48 | np | |
| 18:48 | good luck | |
| 18:48 | gerundio | bye all, cya tomorrow |
| 18:50 | * chris_n | notes that keeping one's house cat feed with domestic mice seems to offset the cat's appetite for birds |
| 18:50 | chris_n | not that it matters much... except the mice are not as messy |
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| 18:55 | Brooke | o/ |
| 18:56 | William | #info william |
| 18:56 | rangi | William: hasn't started yet :) |
| 18:56 | William | OK Thanks |
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| 19:00 | rangi | #startmeeting |
| 19:00 | wahanui | if there is a meeting then Brooke must want me |
| 19:00 | huginn | rangi: Error: A meeting name is required, e.g., '#startmeeting Marketing Committee' |
| 19:00 | wahanui | i already had it that way, huginn. |
| 19:00 | rangi | #startmeeting Kohacon13 |
| 19:00 | huginn | Meeting started Tue Jan 22 19:00:32 2013 UTC. The chair is rangi. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. |
| 19:00 | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | |
| 19:00 | Topic for #koha is now (Meeting topic: Kohacon13) | |
| 19:00 | huginn | The meeting name has been set to 'kohacon13' |
| 19:00 | rangi | #topic introductions |
| 19:00 | wahanui | #info wahanui, a bot that has become sentient |
| 19:00 | Topic for #koha is now introductions (Meeting topic: Kohacon13) | |
| 19:01 | rangi | #info Chris Cormack, Catalyst IT, RMaint 3.8.x and 3.10.x |
| 19:01 | oleonard | #info Owen Leonard, Athens County Public Libraries |
| 19:01 | cait | #info Katrin Fischer |
| 19:01 | libsysguy | #info Elliott Davis, ByWater Solutions, QAA 3.12, Houston Tx |
| 19:01 | nancyk | #chair nancyk |
| 19:01 | jcamins_away | #info Jared Camins-Esakov, C & P Bibliography Services, RM 3.12 |
| 19:02 | slef | #info MJ Ray, software.coop, England, kohacon12 co-host |
| 19:02 | druthb | #info D Ruth Bavousett, ByWater Solutions, TM 3.12 |
| 19:02 | melia | #info Melia Meggs, ByWater Solutions |
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| 19:03 | rangi | that everybody? |
| 19:03 | slef | rangi: do you need to #addchair nancyk? |
| 19:03 | nancyk | shall we start? |
| 19:03 | drojf | #info Mirko Tietgen |
| 19:03 | i accidentally into a meeting :D | |
| 19:03 | slef | drojf: ErrNoVerb |
| 19:03 | rangi | #addchair nancyk |
| 19:03 | i dont think that does anything slef | |
| 19:03 | nancyk | #addchair nancyk |
| 19:04 | ok | |
| 19:04 | rangi | #topic what needs to be done? |
| 19:04 | Topic for #koha is now what needs to be done? (Meeting topic: Kohacon13) | |
| 19:04 | rangi | over to you nancyk |
| 19:04 | slef | rangi: hrm... I thought it let nancyk use #topic and so on |
| 19:04 | * slef | RTFMs |
| 19:04 | nancyk | #topic |
| 19:04 | #topic What needs to be done? | |
| 19:04 | cait | :) |
| 19:05 | nancyk | #topic how about an update? |
| 19:05 | cait | hm looks like only the one starting the meeting can do it? |
| 19:05 | rangi | im going off the agenda here http://wiki.koha-community.org[…],_22_January_2013 |
| 19:06 | slef | #link http://wiki.koha-community.org[…],_22_January_2013 |
| 19:06 | rangi | so we are at what needs to be done .. do you want to talk about that nancyk ? |
| 19:06 | nancyk | #info we are still waiting on the contract, but the days are set. |
| 19:07 | I am a slooow typer so please be patient | |
| 19:07 | cait | take your time :) |
| 19:07 | rangi | i wont move on to the next topic until you say you are done :) |
| 19:07 | nancyk | The first item on the agenda is what needs to be done, next |
| 19:08 | rangi | yep thats the current topic |
| 19:09 | nancyk | I sent an email that the venue is the Atlantis, the dates are Oct 16-22. |
| 19:10 | rhcl | #info rhcl=Greg Lawson Rolling Hills Consolidated Library |
| 19:10 | rangi | #info dates are set october 16-22 2013 at the Atlantis reno check the wiki for more info |
| 19:10 | nancyk | information is posted on the wiki |
| 19:10 | cait | nancyk++ |
| 19:10 | nancyk | http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]ategory:KohaCon13 |
| 19:10 | rangi | #link http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]KohaCon13_Summary |
| 19:11 | #link http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]ategory:KohaCon13 | |
| 19:11 | nancyk | So now I need a committee to create the structure and get the ball rolling |
| 19:12 | nengard_lunch | #info Nicole C. Engard, ByWater Solutions |
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| 19:13 | rangi | so that brings us on to who can do what? |
| 19:13 | nancyk | We need people to work on screening presentations |
| 19:13 | cait | not sure I can attend yet, but if there is something that can be done online ... |
| 19:14 | rangi | #topic Who can do what? |
| 19:14 | Topic for #koha is now Who can do what? (Meeting topic: Kohacon13) | |
| 19:14 | nancyk | We need people to help with registration, at the site |
| 19:14 | We need people to handle logistics | |
| 19:14 | * druthb | is willing to help with international hospitality--making sure non-US people have the info they need on visa logistics,etc. |
| 19:14 | nengard | I can put up the proposal form again |
| 19:15 | and help with the screening | |
| 19:15 | Brooke | yeah me too |
| 19:15 | * Brooke | lives in the right place to bug people. |
| 19:15 | * druthb | lives in the right place to bug Brooke. |
| 19:16 | * jcamins_away | is the RM, making him an expert on bugs. :P |
| 19:16 | rangi | #link http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]ers#Roles_to_Fill |
| 19:16 | nancyk | #action brooke and nicole screen presentations |
| 19:16 | * cait | is qam.... gets to see all the bugs before RM does :P |
| 19:16 | rangi | perhaps people could sign up here |
| 19:16 | and put their name under the roles they could do | |
| 19:17 | nancyk | nice idea |
| 19:17 | #action I'll flesh out the vol page on the wiki | |
| 19:18 | rangi | cool |
| 19:18 | nengard | I think Brooke wanted to help druthb with bugging ;) |
| 19:18 | nancyk | #topic What kinds of presentations do we want? |
| 19:18 | rhcl | Maybe someone could fill in just a couple of brief bullets on the duties? For example, "International visitors help" would entail what, generally? |
| 19:18 | rangi | #topic what kind of presentations do we want? |
| 19:18 | Topic for #koha is now what kind of presentations do we want? (Meeting topic: Kohacon13) | |
| 19:18 | rhcl | disregard, just answered |
| 19:19 | rangi | rhcl: etsa .. gotta remember to apply for that BEFORE you take off or yoink! :) |
| 19:19 | nengard | Presentations on how libraries are using Koha are always cool |
| 19:20 | rangi | #info librarians/libraries telling their stories |
| 19:20 | what she said :) | |
| 19:20 | nengard | hehe |
| 19:20 | :) | |
| 19:20 | rhcl | we are going to send some librarians, so some "library topics" would be of more interest to them than dev or tech presentations exclusively |
| 19:20 | nengard | sorry I should have used the #info |
| 19:20 | slef | ah! I guess you mean "filter/review presentations", not as in prepare them for projection on a screen! |
| 19:20 | nengard | right |
| 19:20 | nancyk | #info I might be able to get something on virtualizing Koha |
| 19:20 | slef | two peoples, divided by a common language... |
| 19:20 | rangi | rhcl: we usually save tech stuff for the hackfest, we are pretty good about that |
| 19:21 | i think that works well usually? | |
| 19:21 | nancyk | #info lost of new libraries, how about newbie tips? |
| 19:21 | rangi | #info panel discussions are sometimes good too |
| 19:21 | cait | I think some presentations that mix in a bit of tech are ok, but not too technical |
| 19:22 | rangi | newbie tips are great, sometimes old hands learn new tricks that way too |
| 19:22 | nengard | yeah super techie stuff is for the hackfest |
| 19:23 | rangi | #info how about a slot for lightning talks? a cool tricks .. you have 7 mins to show you cool trick |
| 19:23 | nengard | i think that last year was great, not to structured - not forcing everyone in to 30 or 45 min slots |
| 19:23 | drojf | yeah for lightning talks |
| 19:23 | nengard | and then the tech talks weren't there to confuse, but to enhance |
| 19:24 | nancyk | #info new features in acquisitions |
| 19:24 | #info coolest OPACs | |
| 19:25 | rangi | #info i like "What we did wrong" talks too |
| 19:25 | cait | maybe something like koha used in other countries? |
| 19:25 | rangi | those can be really really useful |
| 19:25 | slef | nengard++ |
| 19:25 | Brooke | cait++ |
| 19:25 | rangi | oh yeah, overseas stories |
| 19:25 | William | ++ |
| 19:25 | Brooke | Those are super important |
| 19:25 | rangi | #info international stories |
| 19:25 | nancyk | boy we have lots of those! |
| 19:26 | rangi | im hoping to get someone from NEU to come |
| 19:26 | cait | that would be cool |
| 19:26 | rangi | to talk about the 1112 branches moving/moved to koha |
| 19:26 | ill keep pestering them :) | |
| 19:26 | cait | rangi++ |
| 19:26 | * Brooke | gets out the dead horse whip |
| 19:27 | rangi | philipines converted all their public libraries to koha |
| 19:27 | Brooke | I wish we had scholarships to prod folks to get there by taking the cost of travel out of the equation |
| 19:27 | rangi | there is a good story there too :) |
| 19:27 | nancyk | Ok, send me your late, but good ideas |
| 19:27 | rangi | :) |
| 19:27 | cait | maybe have another question and answers session? |
| 19:27 | drojf | i wish we had scholarships to take get me there ;) |
| 19:27 | cait | and some history of koha is always good too |
| 19:27 | rangi | next topic nancyk ? |
| 19:27 | drojf | err. without the "take" |
| 19:28 | nengard | #info history of koha/what is koha for the new newbies |
| 19:28 | cait | drojf: we could revive the *build a boat out of old books* plan |
| 19:28 | drojf | hehe |
| 19:28 | nancyk | #topic hackfest |
| 19:28 | what is it really? | |
| 19:28 | nengard | it's been a few things |
| 19:28 | rangi | #topic hackfest |
| 19:28 | Topic for #koha is now hackfest (Meeting topic: Kohacon13) | |
| 19:28 | rangi | its a combination of presentations and coding |
| 19:29 | cait | we had a bug squashing session in scotland, and some tutorials about how to do certain things like using git and writing unit tests in nz |
| 19:29 | nengard | I'd love less talking and more coding :) |
| 19:29 | Brooke | hackfest is usually a bunch of nerds in a room with lappies. Magic crap happens if you feed them cheetos and chocolate. :) |
| 19:29 | rangi | imho the talking to each other is of far more value than the sitting quietly and working on code |
| 19:29 | i can do that here :) | |
| 19:29 | jcamins_away | Much more valuable. |
| 19:29 | cait | helping newbies who want to help out programming get started, show people how to test bugs, use bugzilla, git, the tools |
| 19:29 | Brooke | Beer is another good nerd fuel. |
| 19:29 | nengard | rangi - oh yes! talk to each other - but the presentations aren't always necessary I feel |
| 19:29 | druthb | wahanui: hackfest? |
| 19:29 | wahanui | hackfest is awesome! Group motivated koha hacking is the best koha hacking :) |
| 19:29 | cait | coming up with bigger ideas and how things shoudl be done |
| 19:29 | or could | |
| 19:29 | Brooke | it's a whole lot of over the shoulder learning |
| 19:30 | * druthb | likes Brooke's definition better. |
| 19:30 | cait | because can't really make decisions there, but can note down ideas |
| 19:30 | nancyk | #info will they bring a server? |
| 19:30 | rangi | don't need one |
| 19:30 | jcamins_away | nancyk: a server? |
| 19:30 | wahanui | rumour has it a server is installed |
| 19:30 | cait | everyone will bring a laptop :) |
| 19:30 | rangi | laptops suffix |
| 19:30 | suffice too | |
| 19:30 | drojf | or two |
| 19:30 | jcamins_away | wahanui: forget server |
| 19:30 | wahanui | jcamins_away: I forgot server |
| 19:30 | drojf | and tablets |
| 19:30 | lol | |
| 19:30 | cait | can run lots of kohas on a laptop :) |
| 19:30 | but internet is a big requirement | |
| 19:31 | nancyk | will people who want to be bug testers go? |
| 19:31 | rangi | i hope so |
| 19:31 | cait | :) |
| 19:31 | rangi | thats why i ran the scoreboard last year |
| 19:31 | #link http://scoreboard.koha-community.org/ | |
| 19:32 | drojf | aaaw all those kittens we saved |
| 19:32 | oleonard | nancyk: Wireless internet is a big big requirement for conference *and* hackfest |
| 19:32 | nancyk | got that ;) |
| 19:32 | cait | :) |
| 19:33 | I think if there are people who want to learn about testing, there can be a session about that | |
| 19:33 | the hackfest is normally less strictly planned than the conf | |
| 19:33 | rangi | nancyk: making new developers is far far far far far far far far far more important than the existing ones working on code |
| 19:33 | nancyk | #topic donations |
| 19:33 | how do we go about that? | |
| 19:33 | rangi | so imo the hackfest is great for helping people new to testing/translations/etc to come up to speed |
| 19:33 | #topic donations | |
| 19:33 | Topic for #koha is now donations (Meeting topic: Kohacon13) | |
| 19:33 | Brooke | you ask, folks give |
| 19:34 | nancyk | method of asking? |
| 19:34 | Brooke | sometimes you don't even ask, and Magnus and folks show up with money anyway |
| 19:34 | rangi | make it as simple as possible to give |
| 19:34 | Brooke | :) |
| 19:34 | cause magnuse is quick like that | |
| 19:34 | jcamins_away | E-mail to the list with how much you need for what, and the simplest possible way to send money. |
| 19:34 | cait | magnuse++ |
| 19:34 | libsysguy | donate button on the koha site? |
| 19:34 | rangi | nancyk: we beat the streets, knocked on doors, and looked outside of just the koha support companies for sponsorship |
| 19:34 | cait | I think there were problems with paypal last time |
| 19:35 | slef | nancyk: email to the list, then if you need to raise more, direct mail based on the support list, then if you need to raise more, beg on IRC and in person. |
| 19:35 | libsysguy | I was wondering if paypal would work…I guess not |
| 19:35 | what is the donation goal? | |
| 19:35 | slef | libsysguy: arrrrrgh paypal froze kohacon12 donations at an awful time |
| 19:35 | jcamins_away | Last year we had a Paypal button on the website, I think, but there were some problems with getting money out of it. |
| 19:35 | libsysguy | figures…paypal is a pita sometimes |
| 19:35 | drojf | most of the time |
| 19:36 | jcamins_away | So if an easier option can be found, that'd be good. |
| 19:36 | Brooke | paypal works, you just have to figure it out ahead of time |
| 19:36 | slef | no |
| 19:36 | paypal is a complete loose cannon | |
| 19:36 | I think the US may have other options. Let me check our research | |
| 19:36 | drojf | paypal basically decides when you can get your money. or if you can at all |
| 19:36 | rhcl | if you just ask for donations, we won't be able to give (politics), but if you have a suggested donation, we might be able to request that |
| 19:36 | nancyk | #info donation method needs work, I get it |
| 19:36 | slef | I think there were services we found but couldn't use because they only paid out to the US. |
| 19:37 | #info use paypal if you like, but try not to rely on it behaving | |
| 19:37 | cait | I think for in the US it might be fine |
| 19:37 | jcamins_away | slef: yeah... there are two or three. |
| 19:37 | cait | but better check |
| 19:37 | libsysguy | https://merchant.paypal.com/us[…]erchant/donations |
| 19:37 | slef | cait: I think they serve the US from a Singapore-based subsidiary |
| 19:37 | cait | how nice |
| 19:37 | rangi | if you can get sponsorship from outside the community too |
| 19:37 | libsysguy | oh kickstarter or indegogo |
| 19:37 | slef | cait: I feel it's to avoid the regulators |
| 19:37 | rangi | its much better |
| 19:38 | slef | libsysguy: they take an extra % |
| 19:38 | nancyk | #topic Anything else? |
| 19:38 | slef | #info indiegogo was 3+(4 or 9)% + $25 + exchange rates |
| 19:38 | #info 33needs looked like 8% | |
| 19:39 | #info Crowdrise looked liked 5%+$2.50; other options: Kickstarter, Profounder | |
| 19:39 | libsysguy | slef you're right I just saw at that |
| 19:39 | slef | just checking for anything else |
| 19:39 | #info above are as at April 2012 or so | |
| 19:39 | rangi | #info hit up restaurants, print shops etc also |
| 19:39 | jcamins_away | nancyk: don't use Kickstarter, or something where the payment _must_ be done through them, because at least some of the donors won't be able to donate through a venue like that. |
| 19:40 | slef | ok I'm done |
| 19:40 | nancyk | #topic Anything else? |
| 19:40 | jcamins_away | (or use Kickstarter, but in such a way that donations can also be taken directly) |
| 19:40 | Okay, I'm done. | |
| 19:40 | :) | |
| 19:40 | rangi | #topic anything else? |
| 19:40 | Topic for #koha is now anything else? (Meeting topic: Kohacon13) | |
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| 19:40 | slef | rhcl: would you be able to buy "Enhanced Conference Tickets"? |
| 19:41 | rhcl | yes, I'd guess |
| 19:41 | slef | I think some "our policy is not to make donations" libraries suggested that to us. |
| 19:41 | drojf | enhanced… by a pricetag? :) |
| 19:41 | rhcl | and I'd (personally) fully support that type of thing to raise $$ |
| 19:41 | libsysguy | high_roller_package++ |
| 19:41 | nancyk | What's that? |
| 19:41 | nengard | +1 |
| 19:41 | wahanui | rumour has it that is in march |
| 19:41 | rhcl | we used to pay a fortune to send people to Sirsi conf |
| 19:41 | slef | drojf: front-row seats? Oh wait, it's a tech conference... back-row seats? |
| 19:41 | nengard | hehe |
| 19:42 | drojf | hehe |
| 19:42 | nengard | table seats |
| 19:42 | drojf | with power outlets |
| 19:42 | nengard | nancyk that's something to be sure of - lots of tables - lots and lots of tables |
| 19:42 | William | What are "Enhanced Conference Tickets"? |
| 19:42 | libsysguy | n-band wifi |
| 19:42 | nengard | the idea being that some libraries can't donate, but they can pay to attend the conference |
| 19:42 | actually there is nothing enhanced about it | |
| 19:42 | rangi | William: the conference is free, but some libraries can not make donations, so we could have sepcial non-free tickets |
| 19:42 | nengard | it's just a way to get more $$ for the conference |
| 19:42 | rangi | for them |
| 19:42 | nancyk | #topic next meeting time |
| 19:42 | rangi | #topic next meeting time |
| 19:42 | Topic for #koha is now next meeting time (Meeting topic: Kohacon13) | |
| 19:43 | slef | I'd say just the ticket is enhanced. Printed on card instead of a sticker, maybe? ;) |
| 19:43 | and maybe get stickers that actually stick :-/ | |
| 19:43 | nancyk | #info Feb 19th same time? |
| 19:43 | slef | ahem |
| 19:43 | rangi | heh |
| 19:43 | nengard | what stickers didn't stick? |
| 19:43 | rangi | nancyk: works for me |
| 19:44 | slef | nengard: the ones at kohacon12 |
| 19:44 | rhcl | will there be tables where we can leave stuff set up to demo? I'd like to show our OPAC (kiosk) software running. |
| 19:44 | Brooke | that would be after Valentine's Day, so should be good :) |
| 19:44 | nancyk | #info thanks all, I have a to do list for sure |
| 19:44 | slef | nengard: on the plus side, they were very good in that they didn't mark clothes! ;-) |
| 19:44 | cait | nancyk: thx for the meeting and info :) |
| 19:44 | slef: bcause they didn't stay there long enough ;) | |
| 19:44 | nengard | oh! the name stickers |
| 19:44 | those never work | |
| 19:44 | ever ever | |
| 19:45 | jcamins_away | That's why I bring my own hanger. |
| 19:45 | nengard | yeah i'll do the same this year |
| 19:45 | i have a few | |
| 19:45 | nancyk | #action next KohaCon planning meeting Feb. 19 19:00 UTC |
| 19:46 | #endmeeting | |
| 19:46 | cait | rangi? :) |
| 19:46 | slef | cait: maybe we should staple them on? |
| 19:46 | cait | slef: I think I wouldn't like a stapler that close to me - thx |
| 19:46 | slef | cait: or we could use a legbone to spear them on... |
| 19:47 | rangi | #endmeeting |
| 19:47 | Topic for #koha is now Welcome to #koha 200 developers!! this channel is for discussion of the Koha project and software http://koha-community.org The next general meeting is 7 February 2013, at 2:00 UTC | |
| 19:47 | huginn | Meeting ended Tue Jan 22 19:47:05 2013 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) |
| 19:47 | Minutes: http://meetings.koha-community[…]-01-22-19.00.html | |
| 19:47 | Minutes (text): http://meetings.koha-community[…]3-01-22-19.00.txt | |
| 19:47 | Log: http://meetings.koha-community[…]22-19.00.log.html | |
| 19:48 | rangi | thanks nancyk |
| 19:48 | and everyone else :) | |
| 19:51 | druthb | git-bz++ |
| 19:51 | jcamins_away: New patch on bug 7143, per your request. | |
| 19:51 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7143 trivial, P5 - low, ---, m.de.rooy, Pushed to Master , Bug for tracking changes to the about page |
| 19:51 | jcamins_away | druthb: thanks! |
| 19:54 | rangi | druthb: thanks for the pull requests |
| 19:54 | druthb | you betcha! :) Hope I did everything right. |
| 19:55 | rangi | looks fine to me |
| 19:56 | druthb | :) |
| 20:02 | wizzyrea | oh that reminds me I need to get the new git bz |
| 20:02 | git bz? | |
| 20:02 | wahanui | i heard git bz was so much fun :) or http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]_bz_configuration or just about anything except intuitive or AMAZING and WONDERFUL |
| 20:02 | wizzyrea | where is it living now? |
| 20:03 | jcamins_away | git.koha-community.org/git-bz.git |
| 20:04 | wizzyrea | ty :) |
| 20:04 | libsysguy | oh did gmcharlt get the wip repo working over the weekend? |
| 20:05 | gmcharlt | sorry, not yet |
| 20:05 | * libsysguy | crax the whip :p |
| 20:05 | libsysguy | jk no rush |
| 20:05 | wizzyrea | ! it has -m for MAIL |
| 20:05 | that is awesome! | |
| 20:06 | test bug? | |
| 20:06 | hmm | |
| 20:07 | test bug is 6473 | |
| 20:07 | forget test bug | |
| 20:07 | wahanui | wizzyrea: I forgot test bug |
| 20:07 | wizzyrea | test bug is bug 6473 |
| 20:07 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6473 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, wizzyrea, ASSIGNED , Test bug for Git-bz |
| 20:07 | wizzyrea | test bug? |
| 20:07 | wahanui | test bug is bug 6473 |
| 20:07 | * wizzyrea | likes this |
| 20:09 | loves you guys so, so much. | |
| 20:10 | wizzyrea | that is really fantastic, thanks for your work on that. |
| 20:11 | whoever dd it | |
| 20:11 | cait | druthb++ :) |
| 20:11 | druthb | eh? |
| 20:11 | wizzyrea | git bz is also git.koha-community.org/git-bz.git |
| 20:11 | wahanui | okay, wizzyrea. |
| 20:11 | slef | wizzyrea: but it's hardcoded to mail koha-patches so less useful elsewhere |
| 20:12 | druthb | wha'd I do, cait? |
| 20:12 | wizzyrea | I think it's fine to have a tool that works just for us |
| 20:12 | cait | translation manager stuff :) |
| 20:12 | druthb | oh. okies. :) |
| 20:12 | wizzyrea | and of course it can always be improved :) |
| 20:12 | but... just look at how far it has come. | |
| 20:13 | slef++ for work on git-bz | |
| 20:13 | git bz? | |
| 20:13 | wahanui | hmmm... git bz is so much fun :) or http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]_bz_configuration or just about anything except intuitive or AMAZING and WONDERFUL |
| 20:14 | wizzyrea | oleonard: about? |
| 20:14 | oleonard | Yes |
| 20:15 | wizzyrea | question about sorting and tables - datatables can have their default sort changed right? I'm looking at thes aved reports interface, and it sorts by name as default |
| 20:15 | I think it should sort by number | |
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| 20:15 | wizzyrea | hi paul_p |
| 20:15 | oleonard | Yes you can change the default sort |
| 20:15 | wizzyrea | ok with you if I change that? |
| 20:16 | for that particular table | |
| 20:17 | oleonard | Saved reports? That uses the old plugin so you'll have to update it to DataTables. I disagree that it should sort by number though. |
| 20:17 | wizzyrea: Can you make a case for number sorting? | |
| 20:18 | cait | I think newest first would be nice... |
| 20:19 | but maybe it will get better with the tabs/groups | |
| 20:19 | at the moment libraries seem to miss that they have to set the max reports shown to a higher number or page | |
| 20:19 | magnuse | eythian: about? |
| 20:21 | wizzyrea | I can, I think - unless a librarian is *very* disciplined, name sorting is pretty arbitrary as report names are user generated. Sorting them by number (which is the method by which I personally refer to them) lets you infer the age of the report, and gives you a sequence by which to find that number. Numbers are concrete references, names are easily misunderstood, often very similar, and generally confusing when trying to convey which |
| 20:21 | mean | |
| 20:21 | cait | hm |
| 20:21 | I think something good about name sorting is that you can influence it | |
| 20:21 | I mean if you change the name it hsows up first if you want it | |
| 20:21 | magnuse | @later tell eythian: kia ora! any news on the funding for the images from multiple sources thing? just curious... :-) |
| 20:21 | huginn | magnuse: The operation succeeded. |
| 20:22 | * magnuse | wanders off again |
| 20:22 | oleonard | wizzyrea: Perhaps cait's suggestion of newest first would help that? |
| 20:22 | cait | for numbers you might have the best reports somewhere in the middle/end/begining |
| 20:22 | I am not sure what's good sorting here | |
| 20:22 | wizzyrea | right, but you *can* change the sort on the fly, right? |
| 20:22 | oleonard | Yes |
| 20:22 | wizzyrea | I think either date sorting or by number would be best |
| 20:22 | it's confusing *to me* | |
| 20:22 | to have the ones with no name at the top | |
| 20:23 | druthb | @karma |
| 20:23 | huginn | druthb: Highest karma: "rangi" (726), "oleonard" (618), and "jcamins" (489). Lowest karma: "<!" (-114), "failed" (-99), and "-" (-70). You (druthb) are ranked 13 out of 2359. |
| 20:23 | mib_vczt1x | wizzyrea: i think i fixed the zebra issue with the installation here http://lib.themico.edu.jm/cgi-[…]biblionumber=2743 |
| 20:23 | druthb | @most increased |
| 20:23 | huginn | druthb: "rangi": 731, "oleonard": 623, "jcamins": 491, "wizzyrea": 367, "cait": 351, "gmcharlt": 345, "chris_n": 312, "paul_p": 274, "sekjal": 245, "kf": 237, "nengard": 234, "magnuse": 204, "druthb": 176, "slef": 174, "eythian": 150, "fredericd": 95, "marcelr": 69, "hdl": 69, "mveron": 66, "biblibre": 65, "drojf": 63, "hdl_laptop": 60, "mtj": 57, "tcohen": 57, and "jwagner": 54 |
| 20:23 | mib_vczt1x | i updated the wiki accordingly too |
| 20:23 | wizzyrea | mib_vczt1x: awesome! |
| 20:23 | mib_vczt1x++ very good :) | |
| 20:23 | mib_vczt1x | i have one issue though |
| 20:24 | oleonard | Is it still possible to create a report with no name? |
| 20:24 | wizzyrea | yep |
| 20:24 | mib_vczt1x | the biblio numbers are skipping so there is no 2744 but there is 2745 |
| 20:24 | wizzyrea | possibly you deleted 2744 |
| 20:24 | mib_vczt1x | any idea where i can turn that off if its an option |
| 20:25 | wizzyrea | ? |
| 20:25 | the first question? | |
| 20:25 | wahanui | "What are you trying to do?" or "What is the goal?" |
| 20:25 | mib_vczt1x | when the guys add a new record it seem to just skip |
| 20:25 | wizzyrea | and this is bothersome because? |
| 20:25 | oleonard | *sigh* A patch submitted for Bug 2969 but never followed-up on. |
| 20:25 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=2969 major, PATCH-Sent (DO NOT USE), ---, amit.gupta, Failed QA , Report Name should be mandatory for saved reports |
| 20:26 | mib_vczt1x | well think the librarian use the biblio number as an indication of the number of records in the system |
| 20:27 | wizzyrea | oh, just go to saved reports, and enter select count(*) from biblio |
| 20:27 | that will just tell you | |
| 20:27 | how many there are | |
| 20:27 | problem solved. | |
| 20:27 | run it any time you want to know :) | |
| 20:28 | i wouldn't use the biblionumber as a representation of how many records are in the system | |
| 20:28 | cait | I think reusing numbers would be much worse :) |
| 20:28 | wizzyrea | because every record gets one, and it's unique, and if you delete it, that one goes away forever. |
| 20:28 | so you'll always have gaps | |
| 20:29 | but counting the number of biblios in the table will always be accurate as to how many records (do note, not *items*) there are in your catalog | |
| 20:31 | mib_vczt1x: make sense? | |
| 20:32 | if you want to know how many items there are (you could have multiple items per biblio) it's select count(*) from items | |
| 20:35 | mib_vczt1x | i understand a biblionimber being marked as used and not available for integrity purposes when deleted |
| 20:35 | but the issue is that during the addition phase its skipping numbers..numbers that wouldnt have being used before | |
| 20:36 | wizzyrea | it's still not the way to count the numbers in your collection. I think what you're saying is "it bothers me that it skips numbers because I like things in order" |
| 20:36 | ;) | |
| 20:37 | oleonard | It is a curiosity. |
| 20:37 | mib_vczt1x | is there a predefined report that count the number of biblios or would i need to access the db directly for that? |
| 20:38 | wizzyrea | not a pre-defined one, but you can create a saved sql report in the reports interface |
| 20:38 | with the queries I gave you :) | |
| 20:38 | one per saved report | |
| 20:39 | and run that from the interface anytime | |
| 20:39 | mib_vczt1x | ok fair enough, will advise librarian accordingly |
| 20:40 | wizzyrea | (do note, I'm not saying that liking things in order is *bad* just that it's better to be honest about why something is bothersome) |
| 20:40 | wanting to know how many bibs/items in the collection I can fix. Your desire for order, I can't ^.^ | |
| 20:41 | * wizzyrea | is going away now. |
| 20:41 | mib_vczt1x | well i understand ..i just need to explain to her why she need to use a different method for accounting on the population status |
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| 21:02 | jenkins_koha | Starting build #49 for job Koha_3.10.x (previous build: SUCCESS) |
| 21:09 | wizzyrea1 | oleonard: oh no, now I'm into the file with the rest of the permissions. lol. |
| 21:09 | be afraid. be very afraid. | |
| 21:10 | oleonard | wizzyrea: Did you see Bug 9439? |
| 21:10 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9439 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, dcook, Needs Signoff , Enforce superlibrarian mutual exclusivity of other permissions |
| 21:11 | wizzyrea | hm interesting |
| 21:11 | wahanui | interesting is sometimes good and sometimes bad |
| 21:11 | wizzyrea | indeed. |
| 21:12 | oleonard | wizzyrea: It doesn't conflict however. |
| 21:12 | wizzyrea | I'm only changing the descriptions really |
| 21:13 | * rangi | works on the 3.10.2 release |
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| 21:14 | oleonard | See you later #koha |
| 21:14 | wizzyrea | bother I see what I did there - later oleonard |
| 21:15 | eythian | hi |
| 21:15 | cait | morning eythian |
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| 21:44 | jenkins_koha | Project Koha_3.10.x build #49: SUCCESS in 41 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]b/Koha_3.10.x/49/ |
| 21:44 | Chris Cormack: Release notes for 3.10.2 | |
| 21:44 | wizzyrea | \o/ |
| 21:44 | jenkins_koha | Starting build #50 for job Koha_3.10.x (previous build: SUCCESS) |
| 21:55 | jcamins_away | You know what I was _just_ saying? |
| 21:56 | wizzyrea | what's that |
| 21:56 | wahanui | i heard that was in march? |
| 21:56 | jcamins_away | I was _just_ saying "yes, please, I would like to make Koha absolutely unusable and a miserable experience for my users!" |
| 21:56 | wizzyrea | ?! |
| 21:56 | rangi | heh |
| 21:56 | jcamins_away | wizzyrea: so I put the data in SharePoint. |
| 21:56 | :P | |
| 21:56 | wizzyrea | lol fair enough |
| 21:58 | rangi | unfortunately, the library won't have any pull in this situation |
| 21:58 | new CIO etc | |
| 21:58 | jcamins | Ouch. |
| 21:59 | rangi | being a library in a largish multinational engineering company has it's downsides :) |
| 22:00 | rennes++ | |
| 22:02 | committing early | |
| 22:08 | cait | rangi++ rennes++ :) |
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| 22:24 | jenkins_koha | Project Koha_3.10.x build #50: SUCCESS in 40 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]b/Koha_3.10.x/50/ |
| 22:24 | * druthb: Updated language files for 3.10.2 | |
| 22:24 | * druthb: Bug 7143: Updating the About page with translation teams for Basque and Turkish | |
| 22:24 | * Chris Cormack: Bumping db version number for release | |
| 22:24 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7143 trivial, P5 - low, ---, m.de.rooy, Pushed to Master , Bug for tracking changes to the about page |
| 22:25 | jenkins_koha | Starting build #259 for job Koha_3.8.x (previous build: SUCCESS) |
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| 22:56 | rangi | wizzyrea: i broke the website |
| 22:57 | http://koha-community.org/ | |
| 22:57 | wahanui | http://koha-community.org/ is down? |
| 22:57 | rangi | the link from 3.8.9 is broken |
| 22:59 | jcamins | wahanui runs around waving his wings in the air. |
| 22:59 | wahanui | jcamins: sorry... |
| 23:01 | jcamins | (wahanui = raven, right?) |
| 23:02 | jenkins_koha | Project Koha_3.8.x build #259: SUCCESS in 37 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]b/Koha_3.8.x/259/ |
| 23:02 | * druthb: Language updates for 3.8.9 | |
| 23:02 | * druthb: Bug 7143: Updating the About page with translation teams for Basque and Turkish | |
| 23:02 | * Chris Cormack: Bumping version for 3.8.9 release | |
| 23:02 | * Chris Cormack: Release notes for 3.8.9 | |
| 23:02 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7143 trivial, P5 - low, ---, m.de.rooy, Pushed to Master , Bug for tracking changes to the about page |
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| 23:04 | gmcharlt | jcamins: huginn is a raven |
| 23:04 | I don't know about wahanui | |
| 23:05 | eythian | NZ doesn't have ravens, I think |
| 23:05 | wizzyrea | they make an awful racket. Count yourselves lucky. |
| 23:05 | I guess you have tuis tho, they're pretty noisy. | |
| 23:06 | rangi | wahanui = big mouth |
| 23:06 | wahanui | rangi: sorry... |
| 23:06 | eythian | oh we do |
| 23:06 | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Zealand_Raven | |
| 23:06 | oh, we did | |
| 23:06 | wizzyrea | hah |
| 23:06 | rangi | i know how to fix the cat problem |
| 23:06 | eythian | "Conservation status: fossil" |
| 23:06 | rangi | haast eagles |
| 23:06 | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haast's_Eagle | |
| 23:07 | just have to clone a few of them | |
| 23:07 | * ibeardslee | refuses to admit to ever having a Tui |
| 23:07 | rangi | cats, dogs, sheep, small children |
| 23:07 | all solved | |
| 23:07 | * wizzyrea | rather likes small children |
| 23:07 | wizzyrea | most days. |
| 23:07 | wahanui | most days are partly to mostly sunny, it's really pretty rare to get a totally clear day |
| 23:08 | rangi | yeah but imagine how much better behaved they'd be if you could say "pick up those toys or ill put you outside with the eagles" |
| 23:08 | wizzyrea | HAHA |
| 23:08 | i love it. | |
| 23:09 | * wizzyrea | might use that anyway. |
| 23:09 | eythian | the eagles in LOTR are native, anyway :) |
| 23:34 | wizzyrea | ^.^ |
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| 23:52 | wizzyrea | "yes" |
| 23:58 | melia | can bug 3111 be closed? it appears to me by looking at the referenced links there that all of his old problems have been resolved |
| 23:58 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3111 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , Opac lists all ITYPES as same, when database lists different. Other OPAC issues. |
| 23:59 | jcamins | Sounds like it. |
| 23:59 | huginn | New commit(s) kohagit: Merge branch 'bug_9407' into 3.12-master <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]f887cc4f76f1d793e> / Bug 9407: patrons search should match substrings <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]e3fc077ae89674d2c> / Merge branch 'bug_7678' into 3.12-master <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]f;h=830f36607c9ae |
| 23:59 | jcamins | Or, at least, it's incomprehensible, so it's of no use. |
| 23:59 | melia | ok marking resolved :) |
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