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| Time | Nick | Message |
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| 00:20 | maximep left #koha | |
| 00:23 | eythian | jcamins: are you about? |
| 00:35 | jcamins | eythian: I am. |
| 00:36 | eythian | jcamins: so, you remember when you built me the 64-bit version of Digest::JHash...can I get you to do that again? |
| 00:36 | jcamins | Sure. |
| 00:36 | I just have to figure out how I did it. | |
| 00:36 | You need a new one? | |
| 00:37 | eythian | yeah, I'll send you the files for it. |
| 00:37 | jcamins | Thanks. |
| 00:38 | eythian | http://ubuntuone.com/5AKjGpv8BCh2YdOZP8gb7l <-- jcamins |
| 00:39 | it's actually just the -1koha1.* files I care about in this case, I accidentally included the old ones in there | |
| 00:41 | jcamins | Hm. |
| 00:42 | There's no make file so I can't clean it. | |
| 00:42 | eythian | Digest-JHash-0.07/Makefile ? |
| 00:43 | * jcamins | works out that he can just rm -R blib |
| 00:43 | eythian | probably just removing the blib dir |
| 00:43 | ... | |
| 00:43 | yeah | |
| 00:45 | jcamins | Okay, how do I make it not try to sign the packages? |
| 00:46 | eythian | -uc -us |
| 00:46 | jcamins | It wants to use your key, which won't work as I don't have it. |
| 00:46 | Thanks. | |
| 00:46 | rambutan joined #koha | |
| 00:48 | eythian | tq |
| 00:50 | rambutan left #koha | |
| 00:55 | eythian | jcamins: why do those files reference a libdigest-jhash-perl_0.07-1koha1.tar.gz file? |
| 00:55 | that shouldn't exist | |
| 00:56 | jcamins | eythian: it was created by the command you gave me. |
| 00:56 | eythian | (instead it should refer to the orig.tar.gz |
| 00:56 | ) | |
| 00:56 | I didn't give you a command... | |
| 00:56 | jcamins | debuild -uc -us |
| 00:57 | Oh, arguments. | |
| 00:57 | eythian | hmm. the -uc -us wouldn't make a difference here... |
| 00:57 | jcamins | You didn't say debuild. |
| 00:57 | eythian | no, but had you asked, that's what I would have said :)( |
| 00:57 | -( | |
| 00:58 | jcamins | That's not how I usually build packages... |
| 00:58 | eythian | jcamins: can you md5sum your libdigest-jhash-perl_0.07-1koha1.tar.gz for me? |
| 00:58 | jcamins | I thought you were telling me the exact arguments you wanted. |
| 00:58 | eythian | I'm also curious why it didn't pick up the .orig file |
| 00:59 | the problem is that I can't install the package because I don't have the tar.gz it's wanting, and I don't think I should need that. | |
| 00:59 | though, if you have it lying around, it might be the easy way... | |
| 00:59 | jcamins | I'll build packages the way I usually do. |
| 01:00 | eythian | how's that? |
| 01:00 | for perl modules, debuild -us -uc is what I do. | |
| 01:00 | jcamins | -i -b |
| 01:01 | (-us -uc too, in this case) | |
| 01:01 | Well, usually I use -i | |
| 01:01 | I don't know what it does, but that's what I do. | |
| 01:02 | eythian | -b is binary only, not sure about -i |
| 01:02 | ah, it filters source control stuff | |
| 01:03 | jcamins | Okay, try the new version of that tgz. |
| 01:03 | eythian | k |
| 01:06 | looks promising so far... | |
| 01:06 | squeeze|main|amd64: libdigest-jhash-perl 0.07-1koha1 | |
| 01:06 | excellent, thanks | |
| 01:06 | jcamins | Yay! |
| 01:07 | It's a pity we can't do optional dependencies as optional. | |
| 01:07 | Digest::JHash is an optional dependency of an optional dependency. | |
| 01:07 | eythian | yeah, I know |
| 01:07 | though, even the optional stuff is required for building. | |
| 01:08 | I plan to have a bit of a rant on the -devel list about dependencies. | |
| 01:09 | currently I'm maintaining ~15 extra modules, and it's getting to be a bit of a headache. | |
| 01:09 | jcamins | Digest::JHash is automatically detected by CHI if it's available, but not installed if it's not. |
| 01:09 | (when installed via CPAN) | |
| 01:09 | (unless you specifically ask for it to be installed) | |
| 01:10 | eythian | packages, for better or for worse, tend to be stricter about such things. |
| 01:11 | trea left #koha | |
| 01:12 | jcamins | I guess the idea is that it reduces variables when it comes to supporting the package? |
| 01:12 | eythian | yeah |
| 01:13 | On thing I should do is have a blacklist of modules that aren't going to be depended on. | |
| 01:13 | so anything that's super-optional and problematic won't be added to the list. | |
| 01:14 | jcamins | One thing I discussed with chris_n was storing packaging information directly in Installer::PerlDependencies. |
| 01:14 | If we did that, we could have a "do not include" flag. | |
| 01:14 | eythian | that's not a bad thought |
| 01:14 | jcamins | 'Cause I see no reason to install CHI. |
| 01:14 | I mean, CHI is very advantageous. | |
| 01:14 | But it's also entirely unnecessary. | |
| 01:15 | Especially since we don't really leverage it yet anyway. | |
| 01:16 | eythian | yeah |
| 01:17 | jcamins | Right now Cache::Memcached::Fast does everything CHI does. |
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| 01:19 | rangi | lds: looks like the lists are coming back |
| 01:19 | got a ton of test emails | |
| 01:20 | lds | rangi: arfffff unix host command is very bad |
| 01:22 | rangi | i use nslookup, or dig |
| 01:23 | lds | rangi: postfix <-> unix host command |
| 01:23 | rangi: virtualisation nat bad resolution | |
| 01:23 | rangi: a lot of problems | |
| 01:23 | rangi | ah yep, nat .. thats nothing but pain |
| 01:24 | jcamins | melia++ |
| 01:24 | melia | thanks! :) |
| 01:24 | eythian | I like how there's a "last test", followed by two more tests. |
| 01:28 | * lds | go to bed, good bye |
| 01:29 | melia left #koha | |
| 01:30 | trea | http://i.imgur.com/PHmF5.jpg |
| 01:32 | eythian | I see no "UNIX beard" on that list |
| 01:32 | ibeardslee | is neck beard close enough? |
| 01:34 | eythian | probably would be, yeah |
| 01:36 | rangi | or the philosopher |
| 01:36 | eythian | that one looks far too tidy |
| 01:36 | rangi | heh |
| 01:36 | not really accurate for a philosopher then | |
| 01:52 | wizzyrea | well there's "full beard" |
| 01:52 | no, homeless beard | |
| 01:52 | Space_Librarian | dwarvish beard? |
| 01:53 | wizzyrea | I don't know, which beard would be the most unix admin-like bear |
| 01:53 | beard* | |
| 01:53 | I think is what they are trying to ascertain | |
| 01:54 | eythian | https://www.google.com/search?[…]biw=1918&bih=1008 |
| 01:55 | Space_Librarian | Have you ever read David Eddings? |
| 01:55 | * eythian | cannot read his books. |
| 01:55 | * wizzyrea | has not |
| 01:56 | * Space_Librarian | read his books before she discovered Tolkien (so. 12). |
| 01:56 | Space_Librarian | But he has a viking-like character with a unix-like beard. |
| 01:57 | wizzyrea | that's a lot of -like |
| 01:57 | Space_Librarian | yes. Also: compare the unix beard to the linux beard... https://www.google.com/search?[…]ux+beard&gs_l=img.3..0i19.14509.17201.4.17538.11.10.0.1.1 |
| 01:58 | and dilbert: http://static.tumblr.com/uocqj[…]n9toh/dilbert.png | |
| 01:58 | http://static.tumblr.com/uocqj[…]n9toh/dilbert.png | |
| 01:59 | gah. That didn't work. Did it? | |
| 01:59 | eythian | nope |
| 01:59 | actually, yes | |
| 01:59 | Space_Librarian | whew. |
| 02:00 | eythian | http://www.google.com/imgres?h[…]OvoHIBA&zoom=1&ia |
| 02:00 | ct=hc&vpx=827&vpy=167&dur=633&hovh=142&hovw=224&tx=138&ty=102&sig=105793777089867823742&page=1&tbnh=142&tbnw=224&start=0&ndsp=68&ved=1t:429,r:5,s:0,i:100 <-- these two are both relatively local. | |
| 02:00 | wow that's a terrible link | |
| 02:00 | http://www.plumbersurplus.com/[…]-Environment.aspx <-- the two here | |
| 02:01 | Space_Librarian | hahaha. That's taken at ANU. |
| 02:01 | And those are terrifying beards. | |
| 02:02 | But I do like that there is a definite distinction between a UNIX and a Linux beard (if searching google images). | |
| 02:02 | eythian | Space_Librarian: yeah, at linux.conf.au there. |
| 02:03 | Space_Librarian | cool. I think I was still there for that one. |
| 02:04 | jcamins | Oh, weird. |
| 02:04 | SearchAuthorities doesn't actually work. | |
| 02:04 | eythian | hmm, it'd be pre-09 I think |
| 02:04 | jcamins | Well, didn't. |
| 02:05 | Now it does. :) | |
| 02:33 | eythian | http://www.virtualshackles.com/366 |
| 02:40 | rangi | http://feeding.cloud.geek.nz/2[…]rime-browser.html |
| 02:40 | might be some useful tricks in there | |
| 03:09 | cjh | heh neat trick |
| 03:16 | trea left #koha | |
| 03:29 | eythian | wahanui: inconceivable is <reply>http://zork.net/~nick/pix/inconceivable.jpg |
| 03:29 | wahanui | OK, eythian. |
| 03:47 | mtj | moar beard humor -> http://www.usenix.org.uk/wiki/Unix_beards |
| 03:48 | http://www.codethinked.com/the[…]rammer-dress-code | |
| 03:48 | bag | YAY |
| 03:48 | mtj | http://www.wired.com/wiredente[…]/06/beard-gallery |
| 03:49 | bag | you thinking about growing a beard? or are you already growing one? |
| 03:50 | * druthb | cannot picture mtj with a beard. |
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| 03:53 | mtj | they are too itchy for me?! |
| 03:55 | druthb | If you don't keep them clean, they can itch, yes. Also, some ladies like 'em, some don't, and it's a line that's rarely crossed. The ones that don't won't see what a handsome charmer you are; all they'll see is the shredded wheat on your face. |
| 03:55 | mtj | i like the idea of silly facial hair in general tho |
| 04:00 | druthb | I like silly, yes--you'd look wicked with a Fu Manchu or a handlebar. But unkempt, a la Stallman? No, thanks. |
| 04:03 | wajasu | the only way i can get authority records generated is to be able to have a search service that has access to the complete set of auth records. |
| 04:05 | meaning: as each auth record is created, the indexer needs to be given the new record and the subsequent search for a matching heading needs to find it if its a match. | |
| 04:05 | eythian | I don't think that makes sense to me |
| 04:05 | jcamins | wajasu: yes, that's the way authorities work. |
| 04:05 | eythian | oh |
| 04:05 | jcamins | You download your authority records from somewhere else. |
| 04:06 | eythian | yes, that's why they're authorities |
| 04:06 | jcamins | And the linker is based on Zebra. |
| 04:06 | wajasu | fine for big outfits. but all of the small outfits don't. |
| 04:06 | jcamins | So the entire authority file must be indexed the entire time. |
| 04:06 | eythian | because they come from an authoritive source |
| 04:06 | jcamins | As I said. |
| 04:06 | Right, fine, but don't expect a *linker* to do something else. | |
| 04:06 | eythian | I've scripted creating authorities before, it's pretty easy |
| 04:07 | jcamins | If you want a script to generate authorities, you should write one. |
| 04:07 | wajasu | linker calls search, but i need search it have the authority i just generated to deliver it on the next search. |
| 04:07 | jcamins | You could even make it generic enough to include in Koha. |
| 04:08 | Yes, that's what the linekr does. | |
| 04:08 | That's the point. | |
| 04:08 | wajasu | unless i create my own lookup table or hash for the batch. |
| 04:08 | jcamins | Otherwise it would be entirely useless. |
| 04:09 | wajasu | klinker links what currently exists in the zebra index. but the lag between auth creation, and insertion into the DB, causes susequent searches in a batch to not find anything, thus dups are created. |
| 04:11 | rangi | yep, its like jcamins said, its not for creating authorities, the script is for linking your authorities you imported, to your biblios |
| 04:11 | wajasu | i need to create a hash of new auth recs, and match against it, but guarantee my authids will be ok if i insert them all at the end of the batch. |
| 04:11 | rangi | so trying to bend it into something its not is a fruitless exercise |
| 04:12 | jcamins | wajasu: sure, that's easy enough. Just write your own script. |
| 04:12 | rangi | you are better of creating some authority records, loading them in, then linking them |
| 04:12 | wajasu | thats what i am realizing now. |
| 04:14 | but even when one has autogenerate and tons of authorities, they gen one, and if they catalog another book by the same authority before the index is rebuilt, a dup will be generated. | |
| 04:14 | jcamins | Yes. |
| 04:15 | eythian | you can fix that by helping with the index queue work which'll much reduce that index lag :) |
| 04:15 | wajasu | i see that. |
| 04:16 | i want to take tamil's indexer and recode it without Moose. | |
| 04:16 | eythian | yeah, also in a way that it can go into core Koha would be great. |
| 04:16 | jcamins | That'd be very nice. |
| 04:16 | eythian | It makes more work for poor me having to maintain the extra packages for it all :) |
| 04:17 | wajasu | using the perl bless OO style. |
| 04:17 | I actually though about using the perl DCI, because itw would be more maintainable in the long run. | |
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| 04:19 | eythian | wajasu: poor jcamins is <reply>will he ever win the cataloguing war? |
| 04:19 | err | |
| 04:19 | wahanui: poor jcamins is <reply>will he ever win the cataloguing war? | |
| 04:19 | wahanui | eythian: no idea |
| 04:19 | eythian | heh |
| 04:19 | wahanui: poor jcamins is <reply>will he ever win the cataloguing war# | |
| 04:19 | wahanui | ...but poor jcamins is <reply>will he ever win the cataloguing war?... |
| 04:19 | jcamins | lol |
| 04:19 | eythian | oh |
| 04:19 | poor jcamins | |
| 04:19 | wahanui | will he ever win the cataloguing war? |
| 04:20 | druthb | lol |
| 04:22 | rangi | wajasu: class::accessor is a very lightweight OO base |
| 04:22 | wajasu | what style would you call the linker code? |
| 04:24 | Linker.pm and Default.pm and such | |
| 04:24 | jcamins | Traditional Perl OO? |
| 04:28 | wajasu | it through me for a curve. but then I realized you had a homegrown superclass etc. |
| 04:30 | rangi | ? |
| 04:31 | wajasu | return $self->SUPER::_handle_auth_limit($authid), $fuzzy; |
| 04:31 | rangi | C4::Linker is based on Class::Accessor , C4::Linker::Default is based on C4::Linker |
| 04:32 | wajasu | oh |
| 04:32 | rangi | use base qw(C4::Linker); |
| 04:32 | wajasu | ah |
| 04:32 | rangi | so that is |
| 04:33 | C4::Linker::_handle_auth_limit ... | |
| 04:34 | wajasu | i guess i could hava linker Generate.pm that generates an authrec, and inserts it realtime into the zebra index. |
| 04:34 | jcamins | No. |
| 04:34 | wajasu | just kidding. |
| 04:34 | :) | |
| 04:34 | jcamins | Well, you could, but it would not go into Koha. |
| 04:35 | wajasu | is the linker search provider agnodtic (solr/zebra) |
| 04:36 | jcamins | It would be if Solr supported authorities. |
| 04:36 | As Solr doesn't, though, it's a moot point. | |
| 04:37 | The *only* search engine in Koha that has ever supported authorities -- to the best of my knowledge -- is Zebra. | |
| 04:37 | wajasu | because of all the match-heading etc? |
| 04:37 | jcamins | No. |
| 04:38 | Because there is no support whatsoever for authorities in Koha::SearchEngine::Solr. | |
| 04:38 | And NoZebra predates authorities, and using it would be profoundly stupid anyway. | |
| 04:38 | wajasu | no that info cleared up a lot |
| 04:38 | now that info cleared up a lot | |
| 04:39 | by the way, the zerba search logic is a work of art. | |
| 04:39 | jcamins | There is no technical reason that Solr shouldn't support authorities. It just doesn't in Koha. |
| 04:39 | Yeah, that's why I'm rewriting it. | |
| 04:39 | search rewrite? | |
| 04:39 | wahanui | search rewrite is http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]earch_Rewrite_RFC |
| 04:40 | wajasu | that what i thought you were doing. |
| 04:40 | i saw some thesaurus stuff commented out in the code. | |
| 04:40 | jcamins | Actually, that's been commented out for years. |
| 04:41 | wajasu | well the comment about some method being a "shim" until... |
| 04:42 | jcamins | That's new. |
| 04:42 | ish. | |
| 04:43 | wajasu | so is 2013 the year you are doing the rewrite? |
| 04:43 | jcamins | Some of it, I expect. |
| 04:43 | wajasu | and you will use Class::Accessor? |
| 04:44 | * jcamins | will cross that bridge when he comes to it. |
| 04:46 | wajasu | i might just try modifying the current code to add the authority, and export it to zebra like tamil's indexer did and see if autogenerate works better. |
| 04:47 | jcamins | Seriously, you're way better off writing your own authority generator to generate authorities. |
| 04:47 | You're generating stub authorities, so it's not like you're going to miss out on valuable information. | |
| 04:47 | wajasu | and keep it separate as a tool. |
| 04:47 | jcamins | Right. |
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| 04:48 | jcamins | Use a hammer for nails and a screwdriver for screws. |
| 04:48 | sandeepbhavsar | hi all Good Morning |
| 04:49 | wajasu | its really a one time migration thing. |
| 04:49 | ok, | |
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| 06:34 | mib_jhbzun | Hi. I just wanted to ask if 3.10 in packages is ok now. I successfully went from 3.8.6 to 3.8.7 but from reviewing yesterdays IRC logs it seems that 3.10 had a whole bunch of dependency issues... which is the case when trying to update. I can only image that was a headache for someone! |
| 06:35 | rangi | they should be ok now |
| 06:35 | eythian was working on them, but id try on a test machine first | |
| 06:39 | mib_jhbzun | Yeah, i've set up a virtual machine for testing. But when i try to update 3.8.7 to 3.10 i get that koha-common was held back and trying sudo apt-get install-koha common or a dist-upgrade just lets me know that it needs libchi-yadda yadda packages that it can't install. |
| 06:40 | rangi | even now? |
| 06:40 | mib_jhbzun | yes. i just tested now again. |
| 06:41 | rangi | hmm works for me |
| 06:41 | mib_jhbzun | the 3.8.7 i did about 30 mins ago.. but the 3.10 seems stuck. |
| 06:41 | rangi | libanyevent-http-perl libdigest-jhash-perl libhash-moreutils-perl libchi-perl koha-common |
| 06:41 | pulled in those | |
| 06:41 | pastebot | "rangi" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "The following NEW packages wil" (8 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/283 |
| 06:42 | rangi | you did a fresh apt-get update eh? |
| 06:43 | mib_jhbzun | what do you mean sorry? |
| 06:43 | rangi | you did an apt-get update, before trying apt-get install koha-common ? |
| 06:43 | mib_jhbzun | yes. |
| 06:44 | rangi | weird, it just worked fine for me |
| 06:45 | running debian squeeze? | |
| 06:45 | mib_jhbzun | I will try in a minuate. |
| 06:46 | Ubuntu 12.04 | |
| 06:47 | rangi | should be ok, libchi-perl is packaged at debian.koha-community.org |
| 06:48 | mib_jhbzun | well i just removed koha-common and will try from scratch to see if it gets me 3.10 instead of trying to update or install over from 3.8 |
| 06:49 | no i still get that it has unmet dependencies: libchi-driver-mecached-perl and that its not going to be installed & also libchi-perl but its not going to be installed. | |
| 06:51 | it says i have held broken packages.. but when i check for any it says there aren't.. it only does this for 3.10 | |
| 06:56 | so I've removed koha-common and tried to install directly 3.10 but this still didn't work. I then changed back to oldstable and installed 3.8.7 succesfully with no hickups. | |
| 06:56 | rangi | how odd, since both of those packages are on debian.koha-community.org |
| 06:57 | the same place as koha-common | |
| 06:57 | http://debian.koha-community.o[…]a/pool/main/libc/ | |
| 06:57 | mib_jhbzun | when i try 3.10 there is some dependency issues that it just can't overlook.. and when i manually try to install the missing packages it keeps sending me down the line to this package that seems to be THE problem: |
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| 06:58 | rangi | must be something to do with ubuntu's setup, as it works fine on debian, maybe email koha-devel |
| 06:59 | mib_jhbzun | hmm just a sec.. |
| 07:00 | it changed now.. it seems to be installing it fine now.. | |
| 07:00 | weird. | |
| 07:00 | oh well.. i won't look a gift horse in the mouth. | |
| 07:01 | rangi | heh |
| 07:01 | mib_jhbzun | but it seems that when I uninstalled koha then tried to install libchi and its dependancies it was ok.. then when I updated to koha 3.10 it seems to successfully update the libchi dependancies. |
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| 07:28 | * magnuse | waves |
| 07:29 | * cait | waves back |
| 07:32 | magnuse | kia ora cait and #koha! |
| 07:34 | rangi | hi magnuse |
| 07:34 | alex_a | bonjour |
| 07:34 | magnuse | ata marie rangi and alex_a |
| 07:35 | * magnuse | has had trouble installing libchi-perl on ubuntu too |
| 07:35 | alex_a | ata marie magnuse :) |
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| 07:42 | reiveune | hello |
| 07:42 | rangi | hi alex_a and reiveune |
| 07:42 | reiveune | :) |
| 07:42 | alex_a | bonjour rangi |
| 07:46 | cait | hi all :) and bbl |
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| 08:16 | paul_p | good morning #koha |
| 08:19 | rangi | hi paul_p |
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| 09:04 | drojf | good morning #koha |
| 09:05 | kf | hi drojf |
| 09:06 | drojf | hi kf :) |
| 09:07 | uh, a backdoor in piwik?! | |
| 09:07 | rangi | what? |
| 09:08 | drojf | http://forum.piwik.org/read.php?2,97666,97674 |
| 09:08 | only have a german article about it | |
| 09:10 | rangi | ahh .. thats why we sign our tarballs and md5 them .. not that people bother to check, but this might be a good reminder to do that :) |
| 09:10 | drojf | :) |
| 09:12 | off to the shower | |
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| 09:17 | magnuse | ouch |
| 09:18 | rangi | looks like someone compromised the server it was on, and created their own zip file .. it happens every so often, which is why signing is so important |
| 09:20 | kf | poor piwik |
| 09:20 | rangi | the good news |
| 09:20 | wahanui | the good news is, like, it looks like it's running properly |
| 09:20 | rangi | it was discovered very fast |
| 09:21 | and fixed fast | |
| 09:21 | kf | :) |
| 09:21 | rangi | if it was proprietary, it could have been there for years no one could tell |
| 09:23 | magnuse | a bit more information would have been good, something on their blog and something about what versions are affected... |
| 09:23 | rangi | yep |
| 09:24 | magnuse | is latest = 1.9.2 and are all 1.9.2 installations affected? i have 1.9.2 but it does not seem to be affected.. |
| 09:26 | rangi | did you install from the zip, or upgrade? |
| 09:26 | afaict it was only new installs from the zip .. but its light on details | |
| 09:37 | magnuse | i upgraded |
| 09:38 | with the wonderful (= easy) "click here to upgrade" function in the web ui | |
| 09:38 | which leaves me with very little control over what i install, of course | |
| 09:47 | drojf | the german article is here if that helps anyone http://www.heise.de/security/m[…]iwik-1757145.html |
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| 10:42 | vfernandes | good morning koha community :) |
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| 11:44 | vfernandes | is there anyway in koha 3.8.7 to have different circulation/overdue/predue notices for organization patrons? |
| 11:48 | kf | vfernandes: overdue notices can be different by categorytype |
| 11:48 | circulation, predue are the same for all patrons in a library | |
| 11:50 | vfernandes | yes, I know that we can have different overdue notices by categorytype |
| 11:50 | which solves my problem for that case | |
| 11:51 | but would be nice to have that difference in the other notices... | |
| 11:51 | normally the organization notices are more elaborate than the other notices | |
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| 12:31 | tcohen | mornin' #koha |
| 12:45 | quick question: is the cssr theme targeted to mobile devices? or is a general use one? | |
| 12:45 | jcamins_away | tcohen: general use. |
| 12:45 | ccsr. | |
| 12:45 | tcohen | (BTW, crongrats for the great job on that) |
| 12:46 | been too focused on libs and tests and didn't take a look at what was going on with the UI, great job! | |
| 12:50 | jcamins | Yeah, it's pretty awesome. |
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| 12:51 | drojf | hi #koha |
| 12:59 | kf | hi drojf - are you ignoring me? |
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| 12:59 | drojf | kf: huh?? |
| 13:00 | kf: how do you come to that idea? | |
| 13:01 | kf | because you did ignore me :) |
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| 13:10 | drojf | no you are ignoring me :P |
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| 13:10 | samuel | hi everybody |
| 13:12 | kf | drojf: patt? |
| 13:12 | hi samuel | |
| 13:12 | samuel | i 've installed latest koha and i think i've forgotten something. When i do an update of po files, i 've this "Symbolic links are not supported at the moment", seems something i've missed when i've installed debian packages |
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| 13:26 | oleonard | Hi #koha |
| 13:26 | drojf | hi oleonard |
| 13:28 | tcohen | do we have some kkind of integration between bz and our git repo? |
| 13:29 | jcamins | tcohen: yes, the RM downloads patches off of bugzilla. |
| 13:29 | ;) | |
| 13:29 | tcohen | heh, os the answer is no |
| 13:30 | jcamins | If I understand your question, that is correct. |
| 13:30 | We have git-bz which simplifies the process, but there's no integration. | |
| 13:32 | tcohen | i was approached by a couple of students that are doing some research on git and buzilla for their engeneering degree |
| 13:32 | jcamins | They should look at... |
| 13:33 | the program that Mahara uses. | |
| 13:33 | It's called... | |
| 13:33 | gerrit. | |
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| 13:41 | tcohen | gerrit |
| 13:41 | i'll check it out | |
| 13:41 | jcamins | It's very cool. |
| 13:59 | * oleonard | would have expected a non-English speaker to have discovered Bug 9152 :P |
| 13:59 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9152 major, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , Datepicker doesn't load localized strings |
| 13:59 | drojf | haven't picked a date in a while ;) |
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| 14:02 | samuel | i've a bug but with languages....."symbolic links are note supported at the moment" |
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| 14:12 | oleonard | How is the information at http://schema.koha-community.org generated? |
| 14:13 | kf | oleonard: I think there is a program that does it - somene said rangi could update it |
| 14:13 | oleonard | Hm, so he probably runs the program against an updated copy of a Koha database |
| 14:13 | kf | maybe, we will have to ask him I think |
| 14:14 | oleonard | It would be great if preferences like BorrowerUnwantedField could use AJAX to load borrower columns for autocomplete |
| 14:15 | kf | huh? |
| 14:16 | oleonard: not sure what you mean :) | |
| 14:16 | oleonard | For system preferences which require the user to enter mysql table column names, it would be nice if there was an autocomplete for the names |
| 14:16 | kf | ah |
| 14:33 | magnuse | oleonard: that would definitely be nice, yes |
| 14:33 | drojf | is there a reason to encode language in 008/35-37 when we do it in 041 anyway? or can i safely assume using ### there is alright? from a zebra point of view i don't see a problem, any librarian reasons maybe? |
| 14:36 | i take this as a 'no' ;) | |
| 14:36 | jcamins | drojf: yes. |
| 14:36 | Because 008 is the canonical place for language. | |
| 14:40 | vfernandes | git question: i've submit a patch to the bug 9151, but now I need to submit a patch update. I've done the code modifications and now I can submit? |
| 14:41 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9151 enhancement, P1 - high, ---, vfernandes, ASSIGNED , Renewal notice according to patron alert preferences |
| 14:41 | drojf | jcamins: ok, that would be a reason. but as i understand 008 expects marc language codes which we do not use |
| 14:41 | jcamins | drojf: yes, it does. |
| 14:41 | drojf: should I ask why you felt the need to make up your own language codes? | |
| 14:42 | drojf | jcamins: we did not make them up. but we use iso639-3 because marc and the related iso639-2 is not enough to specify the languages we provide learning material for |
| 14:43 | jcamins | Ah... |
| 14:44 | you'll need to disable the language limiter, I think. | |
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| 14:44 | oleonard | If I put in a full URL to an external XSLT stylesheet into the XSLTDetailsDisplay preference I get this error: I/O warning : failed to load external entity "MARC21slimUtils.xsl" I tried copying MARC21slimUtils.xsl to the same location but it still fails |
| 14:44 | francharb | hi |
| 14:44 | vfernandes | anyone can help me? |
| 14:44 | drojf | jcamins: where would i do that? |
| 14:44 | jcamins | drojf: CSS? |
| 14:44 | wahanui | somebody said CSS was probably easier |
| 14:45 | drojf | jcamins: i heard css would probably be easier :) |
| 14:45 | jcamins | lol |
| 14:45 | vfernandes: sure, go ahead and attach your follow-up to the bug. | |
| 14:45 | You don't need permission. | |
| 14:46 | vfernandes | can I have two patch for one bug, where the second it a complement of the first? |
| 14:46 | drojf | vfernandes: sure |
| 14:47 | jcamins | vfernandes: there are dozens of patches on some bugs. |
| 14:47 | vfernandes | ok thanks... another question: kristan on the bug said to add the notice template to the translations |
| 14:47 | which is the best way to do that? | |
| 14:48 | jcamins | Katrin? |
| 14:48 | vfernandes | yes Katrin sorry... yesterday I added a system preference in another bug but I haven't added any translation |
| 14:48 | jcamins | (I don't recall the comment, so that's an actual question) |
| 14:48 | Okay. | |
| 14:48 | kf? :) | |
| 14:48 | * jcamins | always likes to make kf answer that sort of question. |
| 14:49 | vfernandes | ohhh Katrin is kf :) |
| 14:49 | drojf | small world ;) |
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| 14:49 | jcamins | sekjal! |
| 14:50 | Greetings! | |
| 14:50 | sekjal | hi, jcamins |
| 14:50 | vfernandes | i'm still learning the Koha development and git workflow, so it's natural to have so many questions |
| 14:51 | jcamins | vfernandes: of course. |
| 14:51 | vfernandes: I don't know the best way, that's why I always make kf answer questions like that. | |
| 14:52 | sekjal | for those of you who are interested in Chicago in February, Code4Lib registration opens in about 2 hours. it always sells out within the day |
| 14:53 | oleonard | Chicago in February? Geeks don't like to go outside anyway right? |
| 14:53 | jcamins | lol |
| 14:54 | magnuse | kia ora sekjal! |
| 14:54 | sekjal | only to go between the hotel and the bars |
| 14:54 | howdy, magnuse | |
| 14:54 | jcamins | I'll be in CA, so not this year. |
| 14:54 | * magnuse | would love to go to code4lib... |
| 14:54 | magnuse | but hey, marseille in marc aint too bad either! |
| 14:55 | gah s/marc/march/ | |
| 14:55 | kf | jcamins: you make me do what? |
| 14:55 | jcamins | kf: answer translation questions. |
| 14:55 | Ooh, druthb is around too. | |
| 14:55 | druthb: I'm delegating! | |
| 14:56 | druthb | Clearly, you mistake me for someone that knows what is going on. |
| 14:56 | kf | lol |
| 14:57 | sekjal | hi, druthb |
| 14:58 | magnuse | oleonard++ for closing bugs |
| 14:59 | druthb | hi, sekjal. :) |
| 14:59 | kf | oleonard++ :) |
| 14:59 | * druthb | would love to go to code4lib, but doesn't see it happening. |
| 15:00 | kf | vfernandes: either is fine - but because your patch has not been tested yet, maybe you could sqash them into one (your commits) |
| 15:00 | * druthb | would rather go to YAPC::NA in Austin in June. :) |
| 15:00 | jcamins | kf: the question is where the notice templates go for translation. :) |
| 15:00 | * magnuse | would rather go to kohacon in reno :-) |
| 15:00 | kf | vfernandes: and also - look in installer/... mysql/data something, there are different folders for different translated installers - and there should be a notices.sql file in each or similar named |
| 15:01 | vfernandes: sorry, no time to look up the complete paths for you | |
| 15:01 | magnuse: reno! | |
| 15:01 | magnuse | this is the official repo for the qa tools now, right? http://git.koha-community.org/[…]ols.git;a=summary |
| 15:02 | jcamins | Yes. |
| 15:03 | kf | druthb++/fredericd++ |
| 15:03 | vfernandes | kf but only for "en" or for every languages? |
| 15:03 | druthb | druthb-- |
| 15:03 | huginn | druthb: Error: You're not allowed to adjust your own karma. |
| 15:03 | druthb | :P |
| 15:03 | kf | vfernandes: I think an english sample will still be helpful - because people get the notice code to use and can edit the text |
| 15:04 | magnuse | jcamins: there's a problem with it - it says to copy perlcriticrc to ~/ but that does not get picked up. ~/.perlcriticrc with the dot on the other hand does get picked up |
| 15:04 | kf | vfernandes: that's my opinion at least - easier to find something is english, than finding out why renewal notices work for everyone else but not you |
| 15:04 | jcamins | magnuse: hm, someone should fix that. |
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| 15:05 | vfernandes | ok kf... I will add to sample_notices.sql for "en" the renewal notice. That's fine? |
| 15:05 | kf | vfernandes: what I was trying to say is, that it would be good if you amended all of them |
| 15:06 | vfernandes: for example I ran into some weird problems with missing circ slips in a gemran installation recently | |
| 15:06 | magnuse | jcamins: i can file a bug for it, as a start |
| 15:06 | jcamins | magnuse: sounds good, thanks. |
| 15:06 | kf | vfernandes: but you don't have to translate them - if it's all in english that should be fine |
| 15:06 | vfernandes | ok... I will add to all of them |
| 15:06 | druthb | fredericd: ping? |
| 15:07 | kf | vfernandes: thank you :) |
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| 15:21 | * jcamins | hums the "I hate bib-1" song. |
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| 15:22 | * magnuse | joins in with jcamins |
| 15:22 | vfernandes | kf done :) |
| 15:28 | * druthb | hides |
| 15:30 | paul_p | druthb = hello. Is it me or translate.koha-community.org is much slower than it used to be ? |
| 15:31 | druthb | paul_p: you're not the first to spot that. (Since I don't translate, it's not something I can see well.) I'll be adding more memory to that box this weekend, and look into other things I can do, as well. |
| 15:31 | paul_p | druthb thx !!! |
| 15:31 | kf | druthb: it used to be really fast when I tested it the first time you showed me |
| 15:32 | druthb: maybe that's good to know | |
| 15:32 | druthb | Same box--it just seems to be once we got real translators working more, things have bogged down some. |
| 15:34 | kf | hm but shouldn't be that many at the same time? |
| 15:34 | I mean.. there are not so many translators | |
| 15:34 | maybe something in the background eating up memory? (I am no sysadmin and it shows...) | |
| 15:35 | SJeffery | druthb - Nice writeup. I like to also think about what does *not* influence relevance (ex: afaik item type is not used). |
| 15:35 | jcamins | Actually, I just learned that we've been using relevance searching wrong all along anyway. |
| 15:36 | druthb | kf: There are a number of kind-of-grunty apache processes dangling out there. lemme restart apache, see if it helps. |
| 15:37 | check now? | |
| 15:38 | SJeffery | jcamins: How so? |
| 15:38 | druthb | SJeffery: you know, that's interesting. It seems to me that if someone entered the item type code (since it's stored in the 952) then that'd get points, maybe, unless someone somewhere told it not to. |
| 15:39 | * druthb | must experiment with that. |
| 15:39 | kf | vfernandes++ :) |
| 15:39 | jcamins | SJeffery: we're putting the request for relevance sorting in the wrong place in the query, so far as I can tell. |
| 15:39 | vfernandes | how many time takes one patch to be tested and push? |
| 15:40 | kf | druthb: works nicely for me now |
| 15:40 | SJeffery | druthb: I was thinking more along the lines of how Worldcat does their ranking. They seem to consistently rank different item types higher (books, av, and journals are higher than analytics). |
| 15:40 | jcamins | It's kind of hard to be sure, since the code is mostly incomprehensible. |
| 15:40 | vfernandes: it varies. | |
| 15:40 | druthb | okay.. looks like maybe apache isn't managing resources well. I can work with that. |
| 15:40 | SJeffery | jcamins: That describes every large programming project...ever |
| 15:40 | jcamins | SJeffery: lol |
| 15:40 | True. | |
| 15:40 | But the search code is worse than most. | |
| 15:41 | druthb | SJeffery: yeah. In Koha, if you *don't* specify something, then it really wouldn't care, and would list the records more-or-less arbitrarily, all else being equal. |
| 15:42 | kf | vfernandes: there is no time I can tell you - it depends on the testers and what they pick up |
| 15:42 | vfernandes: for qa team I am trying to give bugs a higher priority than enhancements, but trying to mix it a bit | |
| 15:42 | vfernandes | it would be nice at least one of my patch to be accepted :P |
| 15:43 | kf | vfernandes: sometimes it can help to test other peoples patches and talk to them, asking nicely if they would take a look |
| 15:43 | vfernandes | and pushed to the next release |
| 15:43 | kf | vfernandes: that should be possible :) we got almost 6 months now .) |
| 15:44 | vfernandes | the patches submit to master aren't pushed for koha 3.10? |
| 15:44 | kf | not enh |
| 15:44 | bug fixes yes | |
| 15:44 | 3.10 is released now, so we are in maintenance for it, new patches go into master for 3.12 | |
| 15:45 | hm new features | |
| 15:45 | jcamins: correct me if I am talking nonsense ;) | |
| 15:45 | jcamins | kf: no, you're correct. :) |
| 15:46 | vfernandes | bug 9151 I put it as enhancement but I think it would be nice to push it to 3.10 |
| 15:46 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9151 enhancement, P1 - high, ---, vfernandes, Needs Signoff , Renewal notice according to patron alert preferences |
| 15:46 | jcamins | It's rangi's decision whether he'll backport enhancements. |
| 15:47 | kf | vfernandes: the release maintainers decide about that, but it is a new feature - if you are strict |
| 15:47 | paul_p | vfernandes = is it an enhancement or a new feature ? (ie: have you seen that, now, you've 2 options) |
| 15:49 | vfernandes | there is circulation notices, but not renewal notice... I think it's not a new feature but a enhancement |
| 15:51 | kf | vfernandes: I think of it more than a new feature - it's something that I have not heard about before even - although I like the idea |
| 15:54 | vfernandes | it was one request of one client... i've done the modification on 3.2.X... I will try to submit anothers changes to the master like: only let reserve if all available items are checkout, don't allow to reserve books in the possession of the patron, remove some note fields from the "title notes" tab, etc... |
| 15:57 | drojf | "only let reserve if all available items are checkout" <- isn't that in koha? |
| 15:58 | jcamins | vfernandes: yes. |
| 15:58 | drojf | i think there is a syspref for that |
| 15:58 | jcamins | Sorry. |
| 15:58 | drojf: yes. | |
| 15:58 | AllowOnshelfHolds or something like that. | |
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| 16:00 | vfernandes | I don't think so... the idea it's to block holds until every items are checkout, then it allows to hold |
| 16:01 | jcamins | vfernandes: yes, that's what AllowOnshelfHolds does. |
| 16:01 | If it's disabled, you can't place a hold on books that are available. | |
| 16:01 | vfernandes | AllowOnshelfHolds - hold requests to be placed on items that are not checked out. |
| 16:01 | the request is that all of them needs to be checkout | |
| 16:02 | it's different... | |
| 16:02 | jcamins | I don't see any distinction. |
| 16:03 | vfernandes | AllowOnshelfHolds allow you to put on hold one item even if the others are available |
| 16:03 | drojf | vfernandes: i think there is something else for "reserve specific item" vs "reserve next available item" too |
| 16:03 | so you might need to change that | |
| 16:03 | vfernandes | the modification that I done only allows to put on hold one item when every item is checkout |
| 16:04 | drojf | OPACItemHolds |
| 16:04 | vfernandes | this prevent the patrons to put on hold some item when there are items available |
| 16:05 | drojf | you might want to check different combinations of the two sysprefs |
| 16:05 | jcamins | vfernandes: I am almost positive that if you disable both OPACItemHolds and AllowOnShelfHolds you'll get the result you want. |
| 16:06 | drojf | i concur |
| 16:06 | reiveune | bye |
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| 16:06 | jcamins | And by "almost positive," I mean based on your description you will get exactly what you want. |
| 16:07 | drojf | what is the way of doing zebra changes nowadays? do it in grs-1 and generate dom files? do it in grs-1 and dom seperately? ignore grs-1? |
| 16:08 | jcamins | drojf: GRS-1 and DOM separately, or just DOM. |
| 16:08 | *Never* regenerate the DOM files from GRS-1. | |
| 16:08 | vfernandes | I've the two preferences turned off I doesn't work... for example if there are 3 items in on record, and 1 is checkout I can put a hold |
| 16:08 | drojf | good to know :) |
| 16:09 | jcamins | vfernandes: that means there's a bug in one of the preferences. |
| 16:09 | drojf | jcamins: but is doing only DOM acceptable in case i would want to put it on bz? |
| 16:10 | jcamins | You should report the bug along with detailed instructions for how to recreate the problem. |
| 16:10 | vfernandes | AllowOnShelfHolds if off, so what happens is fine because 1 item is checkout so I can put a hold |
| 16:10 | jcamins | vfernandes: if you have OPACItemHolds disabled as well, that's a bug. |
| 16:11 | vfernandes | OPACItemHolds is off, so what happens is fine because there is items available |
| 16:11 | jcamins | drojf: if you are adding functionality, it would be better to add the indexes to GRS-1, but if you're just adding new optional indexes, I will not require it. |
| 16:11 | drojf | ok, thanks |
| 16:12 | jcamins | drojf: if it's quick, of course, I'd just as soon you add the GRS-1 definitions, 'cause, why not? |
| 16:12 | vfernandes: right, file a bug with a very detailed description of how to reproduce it. | |
| 16:12 | If you have a fix for it, that's even better. | |
| 16:14 | vfernandes | I have a fix but doesn't use any of these preferences... I think we are still talking about different things... The client request could not be solved with those preferences :/ |
| 16:15 | jcamins | vfernandes: in that case provide a *very* detailed description of what you want, because from what you have told me so far, I would not accept a patch adding your new syspref to Koha. |
| 16:15 | The functionality you described is identical to functionality I have already been using. | |
| 16:16 | So there must be more to what you want. | |
| 16:17 | vfernandes | are you sure that I can block the holds until all record items being checkout using those syspref? |
| 16:18 | jcamins | I am sure that's how it used to work, yes. |
| 16:18 | If it does not presently work, that's a bug. | |
| 16:18 | drojf | vfernandes: did you try it? |
| 16:18 | jcamins | I can't test it right now. |
| 16:18 | vfernandes | in 3.2.X doesn't work, I'll try in my 3.8.7 test installation |
| 16:19 | drojf | please don't test things in 3.2 :) |
| 16:20 | jcamins | Right- you can't assume that any problems you encounter in 3.2 exist in modern versions of Koha. |
| 16:20 | vfernandes | I said 3.2.X because it was when I solve it |
| 16:20 | I know jcamins... I'll test it right now | |
| 16:22 | * druthb | dances happily. |
| 16:23 | vfernandes | OPACItemHolds and AllowOnShelfHolds off... 1 record with 2 items (1 checkout and 1 available)... I still can put on hold |
| 16:24 | jcamins | vfernandes: okay, you should report a bug for that, because it wasn't possible to place a hold in 3.6.something. |
| 16:24 | So that's just a regression fix, not an enhancement. | |
| 16:24 | vfernandes | wait... |
| 16:25 | I was testing with database user... | |
| 16:25 | jcamins | Are you testing in the OPAC or staff client? |
| 16:26 | vfernandes | OPAC |
| 16:26 | jcamins | Okay. |
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| 16:26 | jcamins | There was one more syspref needed for the staff client. |
| 16:26 | vfernandes | this is strange... with all items checkout I can't put on hold |
| 16:27 | jcamins | But you can when some are available? |
| 16:27 | drojf | is the patron allowed to put holds at all? |
| 16:29 | vfernandes | after upgrading to 3.8 yes |
| 16:29 | now no :/ | |
| 16:30 | drojf | you may be missing a default rule for your patrons. i tried it and had the same problems. works ok after i made a rule for everybody allowing 10 holds |
| 16:32 | vfernandes | ok... holds policy rules are broken after upgrading |
| 16:36 | but it still don't allow | |
| 16:49 | something is not working :/ | |
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| 16:53 | vfernandes | it says that the patron have too many holds and there is no items available |
| 16:53 | jcamins | faq? |
| 16:53 | wahanui | i guess faq is found at http://koha-community.org/documentation/faq/ |
| 16:53 | jcamins | ^^ sounds like you might be missing a default rule. |
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| 16:57 | vfernandes | which one? lol |
| 16:58 | :P | |
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| 16:58 | jcamins | The default one. |
| 16:58 | wahanui | i heard the default one was the only one checked when you don't specify one of the sources.list |
| 16:58 | jcamins | forget the default one |
| 16:58 | wahanui | jcamins: I forgot default one |
| 16:58 | jcamins | For DEFAULT-DEFAULT-DEFAULT |
| 16:58 | I'm pretty sure that's in the FAQ. | |
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| 17:02 | vfernandes | default circ rule added... still says that the patron has too many holds |
| 17:03 | jcamins | And just to confirm, the patron doesn't have too many holds, right? |
| 17:03 | vfernandes | 0 holds |
| 17:05 | jcamins | Hm. |
| 17:05 | Not sure what the problem is. | |
| 17:06 | vfernandes | ok thanks anyway |
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| 17:08 | jatara | Hello. |
| 17:08 | oleonard | Hi jatara |
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| 17:08 | drojf | vfernandes: how many holds does the default circ rule allow? |
| 17:09 | vfernandes | 6 |
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| 17:09 | vfernandes | max reserves also set to 6 |
| 17:09 | drojf | it worked for me after i had that rule |
| 17:09 | i tried on master though | |
| 17:11 | vfernandes | tomorrow it's another day to see the problem :D |
| 17:11 | koha translate is damn slow.... | |
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| 17:30 | tcohen | jcamins, what do u think of db-dependent tests like those in bug 9074 |
| 17:30 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9074 normal, P5 - low, ---, tomascohen, Signed Off , DB dependent tests for is_holiday |
| 17:30 | tcohen | should I close and abandon that one? |
| 17:31 | jcamins | No, I'm all for them! |
| 17:32 | tcohen | ok, did anyone receive my email regarding db-dependent tests and data set? |
| 17:33 | jcamins | Not to my recollection, though it's possible I forgot. |
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| 18:06 | gaetan_B | hello |
| 18:10 | cait | hi gaetan_B |
| 18:10 | :) | |
| 18:10 | gaetan_B | :) |
| 18:12 | cait: i'm trying to query some marc21 z39.50 servers on the isbn and not getting any answer, any idea what it would be ? | |
| 18:12 | bug 8550 ? | |
| 18:12 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8550 normal, P5 - low, ---, jcamins, Pushed to Stable , Z39.50 searches for ISBN/ISSN problematic |
| 18:12 | cait | m |
| 18:12 | yeah it could be that | |
| 18:12 | gaetan_B | ok i'll try it out :) |
| 18:12 | also | |
| 18:12 | i have another marc21 question | |
| 18:12 | cait | I have a library reporting that it does not work with a special soruce, and have never figured out why - i hope 8550 fixes it |
| 18:12 | jcamins | Also, a lot of MARC21 servers just don't provide ISBN. |
| 18:12 | cait | ah |
| 18:12 | gaetan_B | do analytics work with marc21 and if yes how ? |
| 18:12 | cait | did you try without hyphens? |
| 18:12 | gaetan_B | yes i tried a lot of combinations |
| 18:13 | cait | gaetan_B: there are different answers to that :) analytics I mean |
| 18:13 | I propose watching jared's video from kohacon in edinburgh for a start :) | |
| 18:13 | and then... you can dig in deeper | |
| 18:13 | gaetan_B | also when looking up on the title, the result list was showing some isbn, but when querying for those isbn that had obviously arrived through z39.50 , i had no answer, would that also depend on the server ? |
| 18:13 | cait | there is a way to do it completely without items (which is what we do because of the union catalog) |
| 18:13 | and a feature that is a bit tied to items but can do nice things | |
| 18:14 | gaetan_B | cait: ok i probably need to get a good look at this then |
| 18:14 | where is the video ? | |
| 18:14 | wahanui | the video is probably on |
| 18:14 | gaetan_B | thanks wahanui :) |
| 18:14 | cait | gaetan_B: I thint it's linked from the wiki page |
| 18:14 | gaetan_B | ok i should be able to find it then |
| 18:14 | cait | what we do is use 773 with $w = 001 of the parent record |
| 18:15 | the other thing is a syspref and I think nengard documented it - EasyAnalytics | |
| 18:15 | if you are not in a union catalog that is a nice thing | |
| 18:15 | gaetan_B | yes i switched it on and tried to use it as i do with unimarc but it didn't work out |
| 18:16 | nengard | cait yes it's in the manual |
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| 19:40 | oleonard | rangi up yet? |
| 19:41 | rangi | kinda, got a toddler on me, whats up? |
| 19:41 | jcamins | oleonard was hoping you'd take his toddler too. :P |
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| 19:41 | oleonard | Heh, I'd happily take rangi's toddler for a while |
| 19:41 | rangi: How is the information at http://schema.koha-community.org generated? | |
| 19:42 | Is there a direct connection between it and something in git? | |
| 19:42 | rangi | i generate it, now 3.10 is released ill regen it |
| 19:42 | only tangentially | |
| 19:43 | i have a script that converts the comments in the kohastruture.sql | |
| 19:43 | to mysql comments | |
| 19:43 | then i load up a db with it | |
| 19:43 | then run shemaspy against it | |
| 19:44 | oleonard | Okay, thanks, that makes sense. |
| 19:46 | I was pondering how one might pull a list of table columns for use in the Koha interface | |
| 19:46 | rangi | show tables |
| 19:46 | then describe each one | |
| 19:46 | and/or | |
| 19:46 | use DBI | |
| 19:46 | * oleonard | would like to be able to use some kind of autocomplete for system prefs in which we specify table columns |
| 19:48 | rangi | http://search.cpan.org/dist/DBI/DBI.pm#table_info |
| 19:51 | oleonard | maximep around? |
| 19:54 | maximep | yes |
| 19:54 | oleonard I am | |
| 19:55 | oleonard | I was looking at Bug 6943 to see if it could be marked as fixed and noticed you had proposed an alternate patch which included more functionality |
| 19:55 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6943 enhancement, P3, ---, chrish, Pushed to Master , Create new budget from a copy of a previous budget |
| 19:56 | oleonard | Is there any chance you might follow up with the feature allowing for transfer of orders? |
| 19:56 | * wizzyrea | waves |
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| 20:02 | * cait | waves :) |
| 20:02 | seconds oleonard's question | |
| 20:02 | trea | o/ |
| 20:20 | maximep | well, looks like I forgot that I said I was here |
| 20:20 | -_- | |
| 20:20 | * maximep | reads |
| 20:21 | maximep | hmmm didn't I send a new patch |
| 20:22 | because I did it for the ccsr. Looking at my redmine logs | |
| 20:23 | Add new features and tests to the budget duplication : | |
| 20:23 | ||
| 20:23 | * Allow to enter a new name for the duplicate | |
| 20:23 | * Add option to transfer the not received orders in the budget copy | |
| 20:23 | * Transfer the duplication code in Budgets.pm to allow easier testing. In doing this I removed the code block " # deal with any children" because | |
| 20:23 | I just don't understand it and it had a typo in the table name ('aqcudgets'), so I figured it was useless code | |
| 20:23 | * Update Budgets.t with the right field names, test the data more and tests the duplication code. Sadly I didn't write tests for the order transfers because it just depends on too much stuff :/ | |
| 20:23 | is that what you're looking for ? =) | |
| 20:24 | oleonard | maximep: Is there a patch pending somewhere, on a different bug? I didn't look for it in another bug report. |
| 20:26 | maximep | looking at my bug list |
| 20:26 | no trace of ever sending it to you... | |
| 20:26 | but if I wrote the commit in english, it's because it was meant to be sent | |
| 20:27 | oleonard | :) |
| 20:35 | rangi | oh rock on! |
| 20:38 | oleonard | rangi: ? |
| 20:38 | rangi | samuel merrit escaped |
| 20:39 | and actually spoke honestly | |
| 20:39 | you dont get thta from libraries often unfortunately | |
| 20:39 | wizzyrea | oh link? |
| 20:39 | wahanui | hmmm... link is right, but the website is gone, apparently |
| 20:39 | wizzyrea | forget link |
| 20:39 | wahanui | wizzyrea: I forgot link |
| 20:40 | rangi | http://bywatersolutions.com/20[…]ywater-solutions/ |
| 20:40 | it'll be on libwebcats soon im sure | |
| 20:40 | too slow tweetbot | |
| 20:41 | bag_afk | heh |
| 20:41 | :) | |
| 20:41 | cait | :) |
| 20:41 | reading now | |
| 20:42 | wizzyrea | ah that's nice |
| 20:42 | nice is perhaps not as enthusiastic of a word as I meant | |
| 20:42 | rangi | http://instagram.com/p/SiwsJ5sf22/ <-- ive fallen and i cant get up |
| 20:43 | wizzyrea | hehehehe |
| 20:44 | cait | :) |
| 20:45 | jcamins | Wow, nice quote! |
| 20:46 | cait | hey jcamins |
| 20:49 | maximep | oleonard: I will try to find some time to send the patch. The problem is that it was done for 3.8.5 and it includes more features than what was asked in 7498 |
| 20:50 | oleonard | maximep: 7498 doesn't matter if you're able to submit something new. Just create a new bug |
| 20:50 | cait | :) |
| 20:51 | maximep: I think it would be a real good feature to have. | |
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| 21:04 | maximep | ok |
| 21:12 | rambutan | Imma gonna buy one of these for our new tech center: |
| 21:12 | http://www.h-online.com/open/f[…]28043.html?page=3 | |
| 21:12 | rangi | nice |
| 21:15 | rambutan | We are getting 1-3 3D printers, and I still see a need to database the designs (ILS-like) for 3D printing. To my knowledge there isn't a good database available where you can lookup items based on standard criteria. |
| 21:15 | rangi | http://www.citylink.co.nz/city[…]s/courtenay-place probably doesnt work for most of you? |
| 21:16 | rambutan | I can get to the basepage, but not the stream. (Because I'm on Linux?) |
| 21:17 | or because I don't peer at WIX? | |
| 21:17 | rangi | yeah |
| 21:17 | trea | ^^ |
| 21:17 | rangi | thats the wellington internet exchange |
| 21:17 | telstraclear are tardmonkeys and don't peer | |
| 21:18 | wizzyrea | welp now I don't have to go to the parade. |
| 21:18 | jcamins | Worked for me. |
| 21:18 | rangi | so trea and I cant see the stream either |
| 21:18 | but wizzyrea will be able to | |
| 21:18 | trea | boo i say! |
| 21:18 | * wizzyrea | shrugs |
| 21:18 | jcamins | Oh, wait, it's the stream that doesn't work. |
| 21:18 | oleonard | Time to go. See you later #koha |
| 21:18 | rangi | cya oleonard |
| 21:18 | jcamins | Doesn't work for me either. |
| 21:19 | rangi | the image should refresh tho |
| 21:19 | wizzyrea | i like the guy pushing the giant barrel |
| 21:22 | rangi | oh this is cool too |
| 21:22 | http://biblioteksbladet.se/201[…]ch-sparar-pa-koha | |
| 21:23 | yay viktor | |
| 21:23 | trea | huzzah |
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| 21:29 | rangi | http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]D&datasets=CLOSED |
| 21:29 | that work for people? | |
| 21:29 | cait | checking |
| 21:30 | yep | |
| 21:30 | busy oleonard :) | |
| 21:34 | gaetan_B | yeah, i managed to make my analytics work :) |
| 21:34 | it's easy actually | |
| 21:51 | jcamins | Woohoo! I got negation working. |
| 21:51 | Also, fun fact: I don't think there is any way to make negation work with CCL. | |
| 21:51 | cait | oh |
| 21:52 | as long as it#s a documented fun fact? | |
| 21:52 | jcamins | cait: awww. |
| 21:52 | It hasn't been documented in the past. Why should it be now? | |
| 21:52 | cait | hm? |
| 21:52 | lol | |
| 21:52 | because documenting is part of the amazing fun you get to have when being an amazing developer? :) | |
| 21:53 | jcamins | But the entire point is that I am eliminating our dependence on Zebra's CCL interpretation. |
| 21:53 | cait | well |
| 21:53 | if you rip it out you don't have to document it I guess | |
| 21:54 | jcamins | \o/ |
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| 22:06 | gaetan_B | bye ! |
| 22:08 | eythian | hi |
| 22:09 | magnuse | kia ora eythian |
| 22:10 | trea | kia ora magnuse eythian |
| 22:11 | magnuse | hiya trea |
| 22:12 | ooh, big hobbit-day in wellington now?!? | |
| 22:12 | * cjh | should probably find out what is happening |
| 22:12 | * cait | waves |
| 22:13 | wizzyrea | yep hobbit-day |
| 22:14 | eythian | yeah, town is currently full of many cars and bad drivers. |
| 22:14 | at least, the not-central bits of town | |
| 22:15 | trea | yea apparently so. i haven't ventured outside yet |
| 22:15 | wizzyrea | "movie stars" |
| 22:15 | or something. | |
| 22:15 | wahanui | it has been said that something is up with the koha-devel one maybe |
| 22:15 | wizzyrea | forget something |
| 22:16 | wahanui | wizzyrea: I forgot something |
| 22:16 | magnuse | http://www.vg.no/bildespesial/spesial.php?id=9540 <-- largest online newspaper in norway |
| 22:17 | eythian | Does "trollmann" mean something other than "troll man", because if not it doesn't make sense. |
| 22:17 | drojf | and by newspaper, you mean "newspaper" ;) |
| 22:18 | magnuse | trollmann = wizard |
| 22:18 | eythian | how confusing. |
| 22:18 | magnuse | drojf: yes, of course :-) |
| 22:19 | eythian: yeah, guess it is | |
| 22:19 | drojf | don't feed the trollmann |
| 22:19 | * magnuse | would feed gandalf |
| 22:21 | eythian | to trolls? |
| 22:21 | magnuse | nooooo! |
| 22:21 | enough sillyness - have a good night or other time of the day #koha! | |
| 22:22 | drojf | good night magnuse |
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| 22:22 | eythian | later |
| 22:22 | jatara | Hi, all |
| 22:23 | Wondering if anyone knows of a publicly accessible demo of koha 3.8.X? | |
| 22:23 | jcamins | demos? |
| 22:23 | drojf | jatara: there should be links on http://koha-community.org |
| 22:23 | jcamins | demo? |
| 22:23 | wahanui | i heard demo was at http://koha-community.org/demo/ or http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]ha_Demo_Databases |
| 22:23 | jcamins | ^^ that might help |
| 22:24 | jatara | Found it! Thanks so much for your help! |
| 22:24 | francharb | see ya |
| 22:24 | drojf | 3.8.0 might not be the most fortunate pick of the 3.8 series ;) |
| 22:26 | jatara | Yeah, but one needs to start somewhere. |
| 22:26 | <--- Koha newbie | |
| 22:26 | drojf | jatara: i meant that the only 3.8.x demo i see there is 3.8.0 which had some problems |
| 22:28 | jatara | That's not a 3.8.0 demo..that's a 3.11 demo..seems bywater updated the software but not the wiki |
| 22:29 | drojf...thanks for the heads up...my org is upgrading to 3.8.5 but just needed to see the differences between 3.6 and 3.8 for myself | |
| 22:29 | drojf | yeah i just saw that :) the numbers are off |
| 22:30 | the biblibre demo is in fact 3.4 | |
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| 22:31 | jatara | oh well |
| 22:31 | one has to start somewhere :) | |
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| 23:07 | jcamins | I need a regular expression that says "not this string at the beginning of the string, but this other one somewhere in the middle." |
| 23:07 | I always get confused by this. | |
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| 23:08 | jcamins | How do I do that? |
| 23:08 | eythian | so don't match "foobar" but do match "abcbar" and "xyzbar"? |
| 23:08 | and abcdefbar | |
| 23:08 | jcamins | Right. |
| 23:09 | eythian | you want a look-around assertion |
| 23:10 | the docs for that even use my very example, amusingly | |
| 23:10 | pastebot | "eythian" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "hopefully relevant bit of the docs" (13 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/284 |
| 23:10 | jcamins | Ah-ha! |
| 23:10 | Thanks. | |
| 23:11 | eythian | the "if" example at the bottom may be the best route though |
| 23:11 | if that suits your case. | |
| 23:11 | rangi | https://www.facebook.com/photo[…]9d&id=78709352302 |
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| 23:11 | rangi | dunno if ppl can see that |
| 23:11 | Brooke | o/ |
| 23:12 | jcamins | rangi: wow. |
| 23:12 | That's some pretty serious makeup. | |
| 23:12 | wizzyrea | 1.5 million the wellington council put into the premiere? |
| 23:12 | seems mad. | |
| 23:12 | rangi | they'll get that back in a night |
| 23:12 | wizzyrea | taxes I suppose |
| 23:13 | eythian | and tourists |
| 23:13 | rangi | yep |
| 23:13 | id rather they spend it on this | |
| 23:13 | than the stupid flyover over the basin and other mad schemes they waste it on | |
| 23:14 | wizzyrea | hm suppose that's true |
| 23:14 | rangi | i bet there are hundreds of german tourists who have been here for a week or 2 already |
| 23:14 | spending up in wellington businesses | |
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| 23:15 | wizzyrea | true enough |
| 23:15 | rangi | and walking up behind your house |
| 23:15 | :) | |
| 23:16 | Brooke | as long as you're welcome walking behind wizzyrea's house ;) |
| 23:16 | wizzyrea | hehe there have been some folks up there. |
| 23:16 | * Brooke | is full of sexual harassment angst now. |
| 23:16 | rangi | and if they shut courtenay place to cars all the time |
| 23:16 | i could get behind that | |
| 23:16 | wizzyrea | oh man, me too. |
| 23:16 | that would be awesome. | |
| 23:16 | eythian | I walk up behind wizzyrea's house all the time |
| 23:16 | wizzyrea | it's true. |
| 23:16 | rangi | thats because eythian is a hobbit |
| 23:17 | wizzyrea | hm, I thought hobbits *liked* home and hearth. |
| 23:17 | I guess they also like ale and pubs. | |
| 23:17 | rangi | and tobacco |
| 23:17 | wizzyrea | ah yea longbottom leaf |
| 23:17 | rangi | see, i just proved it |
| 23:17 | eythian | heh |
| 23:17 | wizzyrea | hehehe |
| 23:17 | rangi wins :) | |
| 23:17 | Brooke | "tobacco" |
| 23:19 | ibeardslee | rangi: I'd be with you for cutting traffic in Courtnay Place .. in fact I'd go so far as to say, a sizeable chunk of the CBD to private transport |
| 23:19 | cjh | on a marc record field 440a (series) is repeatable, if I have many they come out of the xslt as "first ; second ; third ." I am wondering about the spacing around the punctuation, does anyone have an idea about this? |
| 23:19 | rangi | yeah, you could do bus and bike only, from railway station to the embassy |
| 23:20 | cjh | jcamins: it was mentioned that you might know about the display of marc 440a |
| 23:20 | ibeardslee | would also need taxis and couriers |
| 23:20 | rangi | true |
| 23:20 | speed limit of 30 the whole way | |
| 23:20 | jcamins | cjh: yeah, it's been replaced by 490/830 combinations. |
| 23:20 | rangi | and fine the crap out of the couriers |
| 23:21 | those dudes break every road rule there is | |
| 23:21 | ibeardslee | I'd go with the overpass if they did that |
| 23:21 | rangi | *nod* |
| 23:21 | that would be an acceptable trade off | |
| 23:22 | cjh | jcamins: did you see my question above regarding spacing on display of 440a? this also affects 490 display |
| 23:22 | rangi | he man not be around cjh |
| 23:22 | man=may | |
| 23:22 | jcamins | cjh: I did not, no. |
| 23:22 | What was the question? | |
| 23:22 | Oh, there it is. | |
| 23:22 | cjh | jcaims: on a marc record field 440a (series) is repeatable, if I have many they come out of the xslt as "first ; second ; third ." I am wondering about the spacing around the punctuation, does anyone have an idea about this? |
| 23:22 | wahanui | i already had it that way, cjh. |
| 23:22 | ibeardslee | a couple of parking buildings at the major bus hubs for those that need to get a vehicle closer into town |
| 23:22 | jcamins | I thought ibeardslee said that entire block. |
| 23:22 | cjh | jcamins: ^^ sorry |
| 23:23 | haha I snuck in htere. | |
| 23:23 | rangi | ibeardslee: good idea |
| 23:23 | jcamins | The spacing is correct. |
| 23:23 | Well, "correct." | |
| 23:23 | cjh | jcamins: should there be a leading space before the final fullstop? |
| 23:24 | jcamins | Oh, no. |
| 23:24 | Missed that. | |
| 23:24 | I thought you were talking about the semicolons. | |
| 23:25 | cjh | awesome, looking at concise aarc2 now I *think* it says " ; " for separating and ". " for ending (before subsereis) |
| 23:25 | jcamins: I was talking about all the spacing, sorry for my poor explanation. | |
| 23:25 | s/subsereis/subseries/ | |
| 23:26 | jcamins: thanks. | |
| 23:42 | eythian | wahanui: XY problem is <reply>You're trying to do X, and you thought of solution Y. So you're asking about solution Y, without even mentioning X. The problem is, there might be a better solution, but we can't know that unless you describe what X is. see also: http://www.perlmonks.org/index.pl?node_id=542341 |
| 23:42 | wahanui | eythian: no idea |
| 23:43 | rangi | good old perlmonks |
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