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| Time | Nick | Message |
|---|---|---|
| 00:01 | eythian | wahanui: php is also http://www.php.net/goto |
| 00:01 | wahanui | okay, eythian. |
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| 00:23 | stefan-l joined #koha | |
| 00:28 | tcohen joined #koha | |
| 00:32 | mtj | robin, stop taunting the bot |
| 00:33 | eythian | it was looking bored |
| 00:34 | mtj | wow, that veekun post is detailed |
| 00:35 | eythian | it is |
| 00:36 | mtj | aah, ive read this one before |
| 00:36 | the 'toolbox' analogy :) | |
| 00:37 | hmmm, i might write an email to koha-dev encourging people to start deving/testing koha stuff, on mariadb | |
| 00:38 | rangi | cant hurt |
| 00:38 | eythian | not a bad idea. |
| 00:39 | jcamins_away | Worth a try. |
| 00:39 | tcohen | should work out of the box |
| 00:39 | jcamins | chris_n tried Koha w/MariaDB. |
| 00:39 | mtj | i did the switch the day after we last meet (japanese with kate) and so far… no problems at all?! |
| 00:40 | jcamins | I think he ran into two problematic queries that he patched, and that was it. |
| 00:40 | Or something like that. | |
| 00:42 | mtj | yeah, i heard he bumped into some incompatible sql, back then - ive get to find any... |
| 00:42 | jcamins | I think he fixed it. |
| 00:42 | mtj | … and ive being running maria for 6 weeks now (just checked) |
| 00:43 | ive even been QA-ing on my master+maria setup (sshhh) | |
| 00:45 | jcamins | That's good. |
| 00:45 | You'll catch more problems. | |
| 00:45 | mtj | my reasoning is… it's wise to start testing on maria *before* mysql/oracle explodes |
| 00:46 | jcamins | Agreed. |
| 00:46 | Where would I have put my magnifying glass and loupe? | |
| 00:47 | mtj | if a bunch of us devs switched to mariadb now, we could be testing koha+maria as we do our everyday koha work |
| 00:47 | its a 'two birds, with one stone' thing :) | |
| 00:47 | jcamins | Answer: right next to my computer, you dummy. |
| 00:47 | * jcamins | sighs. |
| 00:48 | jcamins | I hate it when I do that. |
| 00:57 | Manderson | jcamins: what might cause a zebra index to become corrupted? |
| 00:57 | jcamins | Manderson: many things. |
| 00:57 | Manderson | I was just reading about how to recover from a corrupted index, but I'm wondering what the liklihood of something like that happening is? |
| 00:57 | jcamins | Sneezing is a common one. |
| 00:57 | No, in all honesty I have no idea. It does happen not infrequently, though. | |
| 00:58 | Manderson | Wondering if it has to do with contention..? |
| 00:59 | Bulk imports occuring simultaneously or maybe concurrent cataloging? | |
| 00:59 | Trying to decipher your last sentence... | |
| 00:59 | "It does happen not infrequently" | |
| 01:00 | So....it happens frequently? :) | |
| 01:01 | eythian | no, just not infrequently |
| 01:01 | Manderson | :P |
| 01:04 | jcamins | Nope, nothing to do with contention. |
| 01:04 | Indexes aren't updated in realtime. | |
| 01:04 | Well, that's not entirely true. | |
| 01:04 | If you manage to deadlock two indexing processes, you'll corrupt your indexes. | |
| 01:04 | You'll also almost certainly crash your server. | |
| 01:05 | That person is treating Bugzilla like we're a support vendor. | |
| 01:05 | rangi | yep, i think replying and saying, please ask on the mailing list for support questions or contact a support vendor |
| 01:06 | * jcamins | would not manage to do it diplomatically. |
| 01:06 | rangi | ill have a go |
| 01:07 | jcamins | And eythian's translation of my sentence was accurate. |
| 01:07 | It doesn't happen frequently, it just doesn't happen infrequently. | |
| 01:07 | mtj | jcamins? |
| 01:07 | wahanui | it has been said that jcamins is too young to be the President of the United States. Which is a pity, because he had the votes at the 3.12 election. |
| 01:07 | eythian | There's a big gap inbetween the two edges. |
| 01:08 | jcamins | mtj: yes? |
| 01:09 | mtj | ah, sorry - i was fishing for wahanui's recent quote for you…. but its changed |
| 01:09 | eythian | wahanui: literal jcamins |
| 01:09 | wahanui | eythian: jcamins =is= RM for 3.12, and just about the only one crazy enough to work on major projects in both authorities and search.|brilliant|too young to be the President of the United States. Which is a pity, because he had the votes at the 3.12 election. |
| 01:10 | rangi | there did my best |
| 01:11 | mtj | rangi++ perfect |
| 01:11 | rangi | bug 9031 |
| 01:11 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9031 minor, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, NEW , Overdue items crossing DST boundary throw invalid local time exception |
| 01:11 | rangi | he's right, wtf arent we storing in utc ? |
| 01:13 | jcamins | I'd think we ought to, at least. |
| 01:13 | rangi | however im sure as hell not going to try and implement that now :) |
| 01:13 | eythian | It's not always the best idea (though it might be in this case.) E.g. you might want "17:00" to mean 5pm no matter the time zone for some cases. |
| 01:14 | jcamins | eythian: I don't think that's how it would work. |
| 01:14 | We store times only in one locale. | |
| 01:15 | eythian | hmm, true |
| 01:15 | rangi | yeah we just use whatever the servers locale is |
| 01:15 | however to change that to utc, would involve a lot of changes | |
| 01:15 | i think ill just sign off some patches instead | |
| 01:16 | jcamins | Good plan. |
| 01:16 | rangi++ | |
| 01:17 | Manderson | Thanks for the input, guys! |
| 01:27 | When I catalog something manually, or import it from Z3950, it doesn't show up in the catalog, but if I do a bulk import, all those will show up - any idea what's going on? | |
| 01:28 | rangi | you dont have your cron jobs set up to reindex? |
| 01:28 | jcamins | Yes. |
| 01:28 | You don't have your cron job set up, and you're reindexing when you do a bulk import. | |
| 01:28 | Right, that's it! | |
| 01:28 | * jcamins | is done answering questions until he's _sure_ rangi isn't responding too. |
| 01:29 | rangi | lol |
| 01:29 | Manderson | that's the rebuild_zebra.pl script, correct? |
| 01:29 | rangi | yep |
| 01:29 | should run it with -z | |
| 01:29 | have a look at crontab.example file | |
| 01:29 | Manderson | Of course, when I ask you, it now does it. |
| 01:30 | jcamins | It only runs every n minutes. |
| 01:30 | Manderson | Ok, it got the one that I manually cataloged, but the ones I've attempted to import via z3950 still haven't been indexed... |
| 01:30 | jcamins: I just ran in manually | |
| 01:32 | jcamins | With -r or -z? |
| 01:32 | If -r didn't pick them up, you neglected to click "save." | |
| 01:32 | Manderson | I'll try that |
| 01:33 | That picked them up! | |
| 01:35 | jcamins | Yay! |
| 01:38 | Manderson | Thank you - this is a learning process for me :) |
| 01:41 | mtj | anyone got a good suggestion for logging bugs for warning messages in koha |
| 01:42 | ive created an 'omnibus' bug here -> bug 8817 | |
| 01:42 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8817 normal, P5 - low, ---, gmcharlt, NEW , omnibus bug for warning messages |
| 01:43 | mtj | so, do we log a new bug for every warning message spotted, or just paste them all in that bug? |
| 01:44 | any opinions? i was thinking an omnibus bug might be a little less hassle for people... | |
| 01:44 | … thus encouraging them to log annoying warning they spot | |
| 02:33 | eythian | wahanui: is it beer o'clock yet? |
| 02:33 | wahanui: isitbeero'clockyet? | |
| 02:33 | wahanui: isitbeeroclockyet? | |
| 02:33 | wahanui: are you there? | |
| 02:33 | wahanui | wish i knew, eythian |
| 02:37 | jcamins | beer o'clock? |
| 02:37 | eythian | it's approaching. |
| 02:38 | jcamins | wahanui: beer o'clock is a vital part of the Koha development process. |
| 02:38 | wahanui | OK, jcamins. |
| 02:45 | mtj | yeah, im def. thinking about beer about now… |
| 02:45 | (not quite sure that i've earned one yet :/ ) | |
| 02:46 | * jcamins | is making rum chocolate chip cookies. |
| 02:51 | mtj | tahini and homemade peanut-butter on sourdough , over here |
| 02:51 | and a little dash of butter | |
| 02:56 | jcamins | Mmm. |
| 02:59 | rangi | @marc 003 |
| 02:59 | huginn | rangi: The MARC code for the organization whose control number is contained in field 001 (Control Number). [] |
| 02:59 | rangi | jcamins: shoudl 003 be mandatory? |
| 03:00 | i could try to read the specs | |
| 03:02 | mtj | heres are related Q… should 942-itemtype be a required field, when cataloging? |
| 03:03 | jcamins | rangi: I'm not sure, honestly. |
| 03:03 | mtj | it is currently - and it bugs me stupid! i wanna send a patch to disable that, on new installs |
| 03:04 | jcamins | mtj: that makes sense to me. |
| 03:04 | rangi | mtj: dont do that |
| 03:04 | jcamins | Oh, no, don't do that. |
| 03:04 | mtj | no? |
| 03:04 | rangi | unless your patch respects the syspref |
| 03:04 | jcamins | rangi says not to. |
| 03:04 | Ohhh. | |
| 03:04 | Right. | |
| 03:04 | rangi | with itemlevelitemtypes |
| 03:04 | otherwise all your circ, is a mess | |
| 03:06 | mtj | so, item-level_itypes is set to item, not bib - by default |
| 03:06 | jcamins | rangi: in principle, 001 should have biblionumber and 003 should have some sort of library identifier, always. |
| 03:06 | mtj | … therefore, that 942-itemtype should be set off, too? |
| 03:07 | jcamins | mtj: the problem with that is that if you switch the syspref, the framework won't respect that. |
| 03:07 | mtj | hmm, yeah i can a bug around this… :/ |
| 03:08 | jcamins | The way kados decided to do frameworks was damn stupid. |
| 03:09 | Wouldn't be such a problem if we did things sanely. | |
| 03:09 | mtj | the real fix is to finally remove 'item-level_itypes' syspref , and hardcode it to 'item' |
| 03:09 | jcamins | I'm not sure I agree with that. |
| 03:10 | rangi | i definitely dont |
| 03:10 | i wish people would stop removing features people use | |
| 03:10 | because they dont use them themselves | |
| 03:10 | at least 70% of the bugs i have fixed in the last 7 years | |
| 03:10 | is putting shit back | |
| 03:11 | and theres still stuff like catalogue maintenance that i havent put back yet | |
| 03:11 | mtj | yeah, i gotta agree :/ |
| 03:11 | rangi | so dont remove that feature then :) |
| 03:12 | mtj | so, idiot-mode here - what does having a koha with item-level_itypes set to bibs, do? |
| 03:12 | rangi | circulation rules use that itemtype |
| 03:13 | mtj | is that a feature? |
| 03:13 | rangi | yes |
| 03:13 | thats why it is there | |
| 03:14 | jcamins | Who QAed 8989? |
| 03:14 | mtj | i just did |
| 03:14 | jcamins | Thanks. |
| 03:15 | rangi | mtj: jcamins just reminded me the display is a lot nicer with biblio level itemtypes |
| 03:15 | but now im done for the week | |
| 03:16 | mtj | hows your big gay red-shirt day going over there, chris? |
| 03:17 | rangi | most ppl were like me and forgot i think |
| 03:17 | jcamins | Red shirt? |
| 03:18 | Are you going to get killed on an away mission? Nooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!! | |
| 03:18 | mtj | http://tvnz.co.nz/national-new[…]day-today-5206860 |
| 03:22 | for me, 'item-level_itypes' and 'independant_branches' have been two things ive never really understood in Koha :/ | |
| 03:25 | but then again… i dont know any Koha dev that would say they do completely understand either of those 2 sysprefs | |
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| 03:30 | druthb | o/ |
| 03:32 | wahanui: jcamins? | |
| 03:32 | wahanui | jcamins is RM for 3.12, and just about the only one crazy enough to work on major projects in both authorities and search. |
| 03:32 | druthb | @seen jcamins |
| 03:32 | huginn | druthb: jcamins was last seen in #koha 14 minutes and 26 seconds ago: <jcamins> Are you going to get killed on an away mission? Nooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 03:33 | * druthb | must now go look at the logs, to see what *that* was about... |
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| 04:21 | jcamins | tests++ |
| 04:22 | A test saved me from pushing a broken master. | |
| 04:27 | Oh, wait. | |
| 04:27 | That's weird. | |
| 04:28 | Never mind. | |
| 04:32 | Okay, pushed a couple of patches. | |
| 04:34 | huginn | New commit(s) kohagit: Merge branch 'bug_8832' into 3.12-master <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]77ed44cb0c83a09df> / Bug 8832: Increment version number <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]053d76ccfc041a436> / Bug 8989 - Availability facet needs an id <http://git.koha-community.org/[…]415443505e687220e |
| 04:34 | jcamins | mtj: did you QA your own patch on bug 6428? |
| 04:34 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=6428 normal, P2, ---, nunyo, Passed QA , refered column 'items.coded_location_qualifier' does not exist |
| 04:35 | mtj | no |
| 04:35 | jcamins | Okay. |
| 04:35 | Good. :) | |
| 04:35 | mtj | i qae-ed Nuño's patch |
| 04:36 | jcamins | I'm having some trouble following that bug. |
| 04:37 | You wrote a patch, it was signed off, it failed QA, and then Nuno wrote a counter-patch that was signed off and passed QA? | |
| 04:39 | mtj | yep, pretty much |
| 04:39 | jcamins | Got it. |
| 04:40 | mtj | my patch was to remove coded_location_qualifier stuff from the frameworks, as it was never used... |
| 04:41 | nuno's patch was just to add the coded_location_qualifier col to items table | |
| 04:42 | ultimately his patch probably was the best choice | |
| 04:42 | it was simplier to fix, and allows people to use that marc-tag in the future | |
| 04:43 | jenkins_koha | Starting build #936 for job Koha_master (previous build: SUCCESS) |
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| 05:35 | druthb | wahoo! Got a pootle server breathing! |
| 05:40 | * druthb | does a happy-geek dance. |
| 05:51 | jenkins_koha | Project Koha_master build #936: SUCCESS in 1 hr 8 min: http://jenkins.koha-community.[…]/Koha_master/936/ |
| 05:51 | * jonathan.druart: Bug 8832: Update the gist pref and hide the tax rate value if not needed | |
| 05:51 | * oleonard: Bug 8972 - Due Date set to 100 years ago | |
| 05:51 | * oleonard: Bug 8989 - Availability facet needs an id | |
| 05:51 | * jcamins: Bug 8832: Increment version number | |
| 05:51 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8832 critical, P5 - low, ---, jonathan.druart, Pushed to Master , can't enter a tax rate on vendor or when ordering |
| 05:51 | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8972 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Due Date set to 100 years ago. | |
| 05:51 | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8989 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Availability facet needs an id | |
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| 06:29 | druthb | bip++ |
| 06:29 | francharb | good morning all |
| 06:29 | druthb | g'morning, francharb! :) |
| 06:30 | francharb | 0/ druthb |
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| 06:46 | * druthb | scratches her head. |
| 06:52 | * magnuse | waves |
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| 06:57 | magnuse | hang in there druthb :-) |
| 06:57 | druthb | Hi, magnuse. :) |
| 06:57 | I've been tweaking bip. :) | |
| 06:57 | magnuse | ah |
| 06:58 | that would do it :-) | |
| 06:59 | druthb | I'm lovin' it! |
| 07:00 | * magnuse | found the config file for bip somewhat daunting |
| 07:00 | magnuse | but it kinda cool once it's running |
| 07:00 | druthb | yep. |
| 07:01 | I used the autoconfig script, and that helped. | |
| 07:01 | Then had to coax Pidgin on my laptop to talk to it... | |
| 07:02 | magnuse | and now you can forget about it and just let it do its job :-) |
| 07:02 | druthb | a-yup. I need to coax AndroIRC on my tablet yet, but that'll keep. |
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| 07:03 | druthb_ | :P |
| 07:03 | magnuse | yay you can talk to yourself now :-) |
| 07:04 | druthb | I do that all the time. |
| 07:04 | druthb_ | She does that all the time. |
| 07:04 | magnuse | lol |
| 07:04 | druthb | :) |
| 07:06 | magnuse | ooh #dancer has a bot that says things like "Welcome mib_y3vb63! Feel free to use /nick yournickhere to select a nicer nick. If you need any help, ask away - there's usually someone around to help." |
| 07:06 | that's nice | |
| 07:07 | * magnuse | is assuming it's triggered by the mib_ part |
| 07:07 | druthb | probably. |
| 07:13 | * druthb | heads to bed. |
| 07:23 | alex_a | bonjour |
| 07:25 | magnuse | bonjour alex_a |
| 07:32 | alex_a | bonjour magnuse |
| 07:33 | magnuse | @wunder marseille |
| 07:33 | huginn | magnuse: The current temperature in Marseille, France is 11.0°C (8:00 AM CET on November 09, 2012). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 76%. Dew Point: 7.0°C. Pressure: 30.06 in 1018 hPa (Steady). |
| 07:33 | magnuse | @wunder boo |
| 07:33 | huginn | magnuse: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 2.0°C (8:20 AM CET on November 09, 2012). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 93%. Dew Point: 1.0°C. Windchill: -2.0°C. Pressure: 29.62 in 1003 hPa (Steady). |
| 07:34 | alex_a | ouch |
| 07:34 | magnuse | hehe |
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| 07:34 | magnuse | not too bad |
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| 07:45 | magnuse | bonjour julian_m paul_p sophie_m |
| 07:45 | julian_m | hello magnuse |
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| 07:45 | sophie_m | hi magnuse |
| 07:45 | reiveune | hello |
| 07:45 | magnuse | hiya reiveune |
| 07:45 | reiveune | salut magnuse :) |
| 07:48 | magnuse | ooh, the global bug squashing weekend is already started: http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]squashing_weekend |
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| 07:55 | Joubu | hello #koha |
| 07:57 | magnuse | hiya Joubu |
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| 07:59 | magnuse | Needs signoff: 108 |
| 07:59 | In discussion: 80 | |
| 07:59 | Failed QA: 98 | |
| 07:59 | cait | morning |
| 07:59 | magnuse | Patch does not apply: 36 |
| 07:59 | hiya cait | |
| 08:14 | matts | hi ! |
| 08:14 | cait | hi matts :) |
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| 08:18 | magnuse | Severity: blocker, critical, major, normal, minor, trivial + Status: In Discussion, Needs Signoff + Version: 3.10, master = 42 bugs |
| 08:18 | http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]10&version=master | |
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| 11:45 | magnuse | huh, i can't install the "Development Version" of the packages on Debian 6.0.6? |
| 11:46 | where's eythian when you need him? ;-) | |
| 11:49 | cait1 | bug 5229 |
| 11:49 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5229 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , OPACItemsResultsDisplay preference does not work with XSLT results |
| 11:50 | cait1 | bug 7441 |
| 11:50 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=7441 major, P5 - low, ---, kyle, Patch doesn't apply , search results showing wrong branch? |
| 11:50 | cait1 | bug 5079 |
| 11:50 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=5079 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, elliott, Needs Signoff , Make display of shelving location and call number in XSLT results controlled by sysprefs |
| 11:52 | magnuse | cait++ |
| 11:53 | hm, sounds like OPACItemsResultsDisplay would still let all the branch names be shown, not just "Available copies: 24"? | |
| 11:53 | cait1 | magnuse: maybe, but could be a third setting? |
| 11:54 | magnuse | yeah |
| 11:59 | not sure if bug 9028 is a duplicate of 5079, i have marked them as "See Also" at least | |
| 11:59 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9028 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, NEW , Optionally show only the number of available copies in result lists in OPAC |
| 11:59 | magnuse | will investigate further, but not now |
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| 12:25 | magnuse | @later tell jcamins: shouldn't "sudo apt-get install koha-common" work on debian 6.0.6? |
| 12:25 | huginn | magnuse: The operation succeeded. |
| 12:27 | jcamins_away | magnuse: yes. |
| 12:27 | And it does for me. | |
| 12:28 | jcamins | What error are you getting? |
| 12:28 | magnuse | jcamins: not for me. i'm on a freshly installed linode |
| 12:28 | one sec | |
| 12:29 | pastebot | "magnuse" at 127.0.0.1 pasted "installing squeeze-dev" (70 lines) at http://paste.koha-community.org/265 |
| 12:29 | magnuse | i'm doing squeeze-dev, not squeeze |
| 12:29 | looks like CHI is the problem | |
| 12:30 | jcamins | I had that problem. |
| 12:30 | It was the architecture. | |
| 12:30 | I thought eythian and I fixed it. | |
| 12:31 | magnuse | ah the multiarch thing i saw someone talking about? |
| 12:31 | jcamins | Yeah. |
| 12:31 | magnuse | ...but didn't understand much of |
| 12:31 | * jcamins | either. |
| 12:31 | jcamins | I got from eythian that the package was i386 only, so I built x64 packages. |
| 12:32 | Unfortunately, it looks like they still aren't installing without some sort of magic. | |
| 12:33 | magnuse | do you know the magic? |
| 12:34 | jcamins | No. :( |
| 12:34 | magnuse | or is that reserved for eythian the high wizard of packages? ;-) |
| 12:34 | ah | |
| 12:34 | jcamins | I can't find it in my bash history. |
| 12:36 | Oh, maybe that has to do with the fact that I use pbuilder on Ubuntu now... | |
| 12:36 | tcohen | @wunder Cordoba, Argentina |
| 12:36 | huginn | tcohen: The current temperature in Cordoba Aerodrome, Argentina is 20.0°C (9:00 AM ART on November 09, 2012). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 66%. Dew Point: 16.0°C. Pressure: 29.64 in 1004 hPa (Rising). |
| 12:36 | jcamins | I think I still have the build scripts. |
| 12:37 | tcohen | morning #koha |
| 12:39 | * jcamins | isn't sure how to fix it this morning. |
| 12:39 | jcamins | The easy thing to do is simply delete CHI from the dependency list when building the package. |
| 12:40 | magnuse | "sudo dpkg --print-architecture" says amd64 |
| 12:40 | hm, i'm trying to just install the official packages, not build my own, this time | |
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| 12:44 | magnuse | kia ora NateC! |
| 12:44 | jcamins | I suspect I built the amd64 packages incorrectly. |
| 12:47 | magnuse | could 32 bit be better? this is way over my voodoo level... |
| 12:47 | jcamins | 32-bit is definitely a lot easier. |
| 12:48 | magnuse | ah |
| 12:48 | jcamins | I understand it Just Works. |
| 12:48 | magnuse | yay :-) |
| 12:49 | i'll try that | |
| 12:49 | i just want to have a server where my customers can test 3.10 with their own data | |
| 12:52 | jcamins | Then, yeah, i386 would probably be more convenient. |
| 12:55 | magnuse | okelydokely, and thanks jcamins |
| 13:06 | this looks like it is going smoother, yes :-) | |
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| 13:18 | oleonard | Hi #koha |
| 13:20 | magnuse | time from booting a fresh linode to logging in to koha as myself: 30 minutes :-) |
| 13:20 | * magnuse | needs some fresh air now |
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| 13:44 | oleonard | I wish the update page that said "We're updating you from 3.09.00.xxx to 3.09.00.xxx" was the page that showed what updates were going to be performed. |
| 13:44 | Seems sensible to give you an idea of what is going to happen. | |
| 13:46 | cait | oleonard: hm? |
| 13:46 | oleonard | When you have to update the database? |
| 13:46 | cait | aah |
| 13:46 | so before doing it, already show the comments for the updates? | |
| 13:48 | oleonard | Yes, the comments in updatedatabase.pl. |
| 13:49 | Just an idle thought. | |
| 13:51 | * cait | nods |
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| 13:53 | chris_n | too bad installer does not bold or red this: Warning to Koha System Administrators: If you use borrower attributes..... |
| 13:57 | oleonard | chris_n: We should put in a memo to corporate asking authorization to requisition a work order to develop a spec on defining a committee to explore that option |
| 13:59 | chris_n | lol |
| 13:59 | * chris_n | wonders what oleonard had for breakfast |
| 14:00 | druthb | too many carbs, it sounds like. |
| 14:01 | oleonard | Or maybe not /enough/! |
| 14:01 | cait | oleonard: I think he spent too much time at meetings maybe |
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| 14:27 | oleonard | Man, Firefox has been crashy crashy this week. I wish I knew whether it was the browser or the addons. |
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| 14:53 | oleonard | Between Bug 9034 and Bug 9044 the detail page is starting to look like this: http://farm4.static.flickr.com[…]23_7f5213360f.jpg |
| 14:53 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9034 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, julian.maurice, Needs Signoff , Add sorting and filtering on items table (catalogue/detail.pl) |
| 14:53 | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9044 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, julian.maurice, Needs Signoff , Allow to select items on catalogue/detail.pl and trigger actions | |
| 14:54 | cait | lol |
| 14:54 | well, that's not really good | |
| 14:54 | do you have ideas how to make it work? :( | |
| 14:54 | maybe we need prefs or permissions to be able to create an easier view? | |
| 14:55 | oleonard | I'd like to see 9044 tied either to patron category or to a permission |
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| 14:56 | oleonard | I'm not sure how to handle 9034... Perhaps only trigger the filters if there are more than X attached items? |
| 14:57 | cait | oleonard: sounds like a good thought to me |
| 14:57 | but what is X? | |
| 14:57 | oleonard | I don't know. |
| 14:58 | It's only my assumption that the filter feature is being added for a library that has so many items they can't easily find it by scanning the list | |
| 14:58 | cait | yep |
| 14:59 | I think hte bigger university libraries with lots of branches maybe | |
| 14:59 | or for use with serial items | |
| 15:02 | oleonard | We really need a system of user preferences to go along with user permissions. |
| 15:04 | jcamins | oleonard: updatedatabase as it works now does not provide any possibility of listing upgrades that will be performed. |
| 15:04 | That's one of the arguments for the non-linear updates. | |
| 15:04 | cait | jcamins: hm, but couldn't it be done? even with linear? |
| 15:06 | jcamins | cait: it'd still require a complete rewrite of the update system. |
| 15:07 | And "non-linear" doesn't mean that updates would be applied out of order by default. | |
| 15:07 | cait | hm ok |
| 15:12 | jcamins | @later tell rangi Would it be possible for you to set it up so that we can step bug statuses on Bugzilla backwards? (Pushed to Master->Passed QA, Passed QA->Signed Off, Signed Off->Needs Signoff) |
| 15:12 | huginn | jcamins: The operation succeeded. |
| 15:12 | chris_n | oleonard: bug 9017 |
| 15:12 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9017 normal, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Needs Signoff , Quote of the day: Table footer not translated |
| 15:13 | oleonard | Yes? |
| 15:13 | cait | jcamins: love that idea |
| 15:13 | oleonard | I see chris_n, thanks. |
| 15:14 | cait | getting ready to switch trains... again |
| 15:14 | bye | |
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| 15:21 | vfernandes | hi guys |
| 15:21 | it's possible to improve Zebra searches? | |
| 15:21 | jcamins | vfernandes: yes, that's why I have proposed a search rewrite. |
| 15:21 | Search rewrite? | |
| 15:21 | wahanui | Search rewrite is probably http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]earch_Rewrite_RFC |
| 15:21 | jcamins | ^^ there is the proposal. |
| 15:21 | I'm starting 1(b).ii. and 1(b).iii. | |
| 15:22 | vfernandes | http://catalogo.biblioteca.isc[…]rch.pl?q=computer it takes sometimes 15 seconds to return results |
| 15:22 | jcamins | If you mean, "is there an easy way to improve things?" the answer is no, unfortunately. |
| 15:22 | It's not Zebra that takes so long. | |
| 15:22 | I thought you meant improving the results. | |
| 15:23 | You can disable COinS on the results page, and itemtype icons. | |
| 15:23 | And reduce the number of results shown per page. | |
| 15:24 | Simply upgrading the system might be what's called for, of course. | |
| 15:24 | It's the number of results. | |
| 15:24 | You have 150 on a page. | |
| 15:24 | vfernandes | yes that's what the client wants |
| 15:24 | jcamins | With COinS enabled. |
| 15:25 | vfernandes | COinS? |
| 15:25 | oleonard | 150 is a lot! |
| 15:25 | jcamins | Yeah. I don't know what it stands for CO in Span, I think. |
| 15:25 | *stands for; CO... | |
| 15:26 | ContextObject in Span. | |
| 15:26 | Just rolls off the tongue, doesn't it? | |
| 15:26 | vfernandes | how to disable COinS |
| 15:26 | jcamins | Unfortunately, I think I have some bad news for you... the syspref was added in 3.4, as I recall. |
| 15:26 | Manderson | Does Koha support multiple catalogs? |
| 15:27 | jcamins | Yup. |
| 15:27 | Manderson: what do you mean? | |
| 15:27 | vfernandes: since you're on 3.2.10, I don't think there's anything you can do about performance. | |
| 15:28 | Manderson | Well, if I had three different library catalogs and I wanted to combine them into one 'logical' library without disturbing the other outside catalogs. |
| 15:28 | jcamins | Tell the client they need to reduce the number of results per page if they want it to be faster. |
| 15:28 | Manderson: if you mean federated searching, yes. | |
| 15:28 | vfernandes | ok thanks jcamins |
| 15:28 | jcamins | Koha supports federated searching via Z39.50. |
| 15:29 | Manderson | Well, meaning, if I got a copy of their actual mysql database, could I import that as a new database on the same server as mine? |
| 15:29 | different name of course | |
| 15:29 | jcamins | Ah. |
| 15:29 | You could, but shouldn't. | |
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| 15:30 | jcamins | If the canonical source of data isn't Koha, don't put the data into a Koha installation. |
| 15:30 | You'll just go crazy trying to deal with syncing. | |
| 15:30 | Manderson | What I am thinking is that I could import them, and have them running on their own z3950 server so that it would be a federated search |
| 15:31 | of course, I'd have to have a separate zebra server for each one, I suppose | |
| 15:31 | jcamins | It'd be possible, but I'd say it'd be a pretty terrible idea. |
| 15:31 | You'd have to sync the data daily with the actual catalog. | |
| 15:31 | Better to just query the actual catalog directly. | |
| 15:31 | Manderson | This is what we go through now, unfortunately. |
| 15:32 | * jcamins | wouldn't be able to use IRC if he had to do that... he would've bludgeoned himself to death with the nearest blunt object. |
| 15:32 | jcamins | Why do you do that? I think probably Koha offers you a solution that isn't awful. |
| 15:34 | Manderson | Our customers get a full copy of another library's catalog. The other library is on a closed network, so we don't have access to it. |
| 15:34 | But our customers want to query their data... | |
| 15:34 | *sigh* | |
| 15:34 | it's an awful setup. | |
| 15:34 | jcamins | You're right. |
| 15:34 | Manderson | hahhaha |
| 15:34 | jcamins | the problem? |
| 15:34 | wahanui | somebody said the problem was that on order is not treated differently than the other not for loan values |
| 15:34 | jcamins | the problem? |
| 15:34 | wahanui | the problem is, like, that on order is not treated differently than the other not for loan values |
| 15:34 | jcamins | problem? |
| 15:34 | wahanui | problem is it's human beings doing it. Rebuild your indexes. |
| 15:34 | jcamins | There we go. |
| 15:34 | Manderson | LOL |
| 15:35 | jcamins | Koha can't fix political issues. |
| 15:35 | So, yeah, totally doable. | |
| 15:35 | Manderson | But you think it would have to be via Z3950 server and separate zebra indexes? |
| 15:36 | that's how I have it planned in my head | |
| 15:38 | jcamins | Well... |
| 15:38 | how many records? | |
| 15:38 | Manderson | Millions. |
| 15:39 | jcamins | Yes. |
| 15:39 | You wouldn't want to import that many every week. | |
| 15:39 | Manderson | Pretty large data sets. |
| 15:39 | We do it multiple times per week | |
| 15:39 | We're CCRRRRAAAAZZZYYYY | |
| 15:39 | :) | |
| 15:39 | jcamins | Yeah, separate Zebra index is the way to go. |
| 15:40 | Is there availability information in those records? | |
| 15:40 | francharb | hey there |
| 15:40 | hope everyone is doing well | |
| 15:40 | jcamins | Hi francharb! |
| 15:40 | francharb | jcamins, hi! |
| 15:40 | Manderson | jcamins: availability information? |
| 15:40 | wahanui | somebody said availability information was passed in directly by C4::Search. |
| 15:41 | francharb | hey, jcamins I'm trying to understand this : http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]ent#Improved_Koha.27s_authority_linker_cron_job_.28misc.2Flink_bibs_to_authorities.pl.29 |
| 15:41 | jcamins | Manderson: item information. |
| 15:41 | wahanui | item information is, like, interesting |
| 15:41 | Manderson | YEs |
| 15:41 | francharb | but it's not clear to me |
| 15:41 | jcamins | Manderson: that's a shame. :P |
| 15:41 | francharb | Can I ask you some question? |
| 15:41 | jcamins | francharb: what are you having trouble with? |
| 15:41 | Of course! | |
| 15:42 | francharb | first : it 's the relation between link_bibs_to_authorities.pl and the syspref |
| 15:42 | Do I need to set up the cronjob to make the linkers work? | |
| 15:42 | jcamins | link_bibs_to_authorities.pl obeys the syspref. |
| 15:42 | No. | |
| 15:42 | You need the cron job only if you are reloading authorities. | |
| 15:43 | Or loading authorities after bibs. | |
| 15:43 | francharb | ok! understood! :) |
| 15:43 | jcamins | Oh, and, of course, you have to run it once when you first start using Koha. |
| 15:43 | francharb | ok |
| 15:43 | then, I have hard time to understand " CatalogModuleRelink " | |
| 15:44 | I found your patch | |
| 15:44 | and explanation as well about this one | |
| 15:44 | jcamins | However, you may not even need it with UNIMARC, since your authorities generally involve only one subdivision. |
| 15:44 | CatalogModuleRelink sets whether the linker is run after a librarian manually edits the record. | |
| 15:44 | francharb | ok |
| 15:45 | jcamins | So if a librarian manually links a heading to the authority for Camins-Esakov, Jared--Bibliography then changes it to Camins-Esakov, Jared--Coin collections, if CatalogModuleRelink is set to "Do," the heading will get linked to the authority for Camins-Esakov, Jared--Coin collections. |
| 15:45 | francharb | jcamins, it means the linker doesn't work only for new authorities but with every authorities previously catalogued, right? |
| 15:46 | jcamins | It will not change existing bib records unless you tell it to. |
| 15:46 | francharb | ok |
| 15:46 | jcamins | But it will use your entire authority file for linking. |
| 15:47 | francharb | jcamins, when you say "manually link a heading" what does it mean? the librarian use the authority plugin to retrieve the authority, right? |
| 15:48 | jcamins | Exactly. |
| 15:48 | francharb | ok |
| 15:48 | jcamins, so what the difference with " LinkerRelink "? | |
| 15:48 | s/so what/so what is/ | |
| 15:48 | ;) | |
| 15:49 | jcamins | With LinkerRelink set to "Don't," no link will ever be changed. |
| 15:50 | francharb | so with your previous example, the link won't change? |
| 15:52 | jcamins | Right. |
| 15:53 | francharb | even if you turn CatalogModuleRelink to "Do"? |
| 15:54 | * jcamins | can't remember. Let me check. |
| 15:54 | francharb | ok |
| 15:54 | (thank you for you patience!) ;) | |
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| 15:55 | jcamins | That's correct. If LinkerRelink is set to "Don't," the linker will _never_ relink a heading. |
| 15:56 | francharb | thank you very much! I think I have enought information to explane it to the librarians I'm working with and see if it's relevant for them! |
| 15:56 | thanks! | |
| 15:56 | :) | |
| 15:57 | jcamins | You're welcome. |
| 15:57 | Detailed bug reports explaining when it doesn't work are always welcomed. | |
| 15:58 | francharb | sure! :) |
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| 16:19 | francharb | jcamins, it all became clearer but I still have a little bit of greyness in the final understanding! I'm going to rewrite your example. could you tell me if i'm right? |
| 16:19 | CatalogModuleRelink sets whether the linker is run after a librarian manually edits the record. | |
| 16:19 | wahanui | i already had it that way, francharb. |
| 16:19 | francharb | So if a librarian manually links a heading to the authority for "Camins-Esakov, Jared--Bibliography" (meaning that he used the authority plugin to chose it within the authority file) then changes it to "Camins-Esakov, Jared--Coin collections" (meaning that he changed the heading within the biblio not using the authority plugin). if CatalogModuleRelink is set to "Do," the heading will get linked to the authority for "Camins-Esa |
| 16:19 | kov, Jared--Coin collections" because the linker goes through the autority file, find the good one and is able to relink the autority to the heading. | |
| 16:19 | jcamins | Exactly. |
| 16:19 | francharb | \0/ |
| 16:19 | thank you | |
| 16:19 | it's clear now! | |
| 16:19 | jcamins | You're welcome. :) |
| 16:19 | Yay! | |
| 16:20 | francharb | :) |
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| 16:29 | Manderson | Can someone give me an estimate for how large the zebra indexes can get for larger catalogs? Are we looking at hundreds of megabytes? Gigabytes? |
| 16:30 | Let's just say with a DB containing 1M biblio records with associated items. | |
| 16:30 | cait | more gb then mb then |
| 16:30 | I think | |
| 16:30 | jcamins | 1M records... |
| 16:30 | Manderson | Wonder if there's a ratio of index size to db size |
| 16:31 | jcamins | There is not, exactly. |
| 16:32 | Assume 1GB per 50k records. | |
| 16:32 | Manderson | Wow! Really? |
| 16:32 | jcamins | Let me put it this way: |
| 16:33 | right now you can requisition for 1TB drives and stick them in the server. | |
| 16:33 | *four | |
| 16:33 | (for a total usable space of 2TB. | |
| 16:33 | When the index fails 990k records in due to loss of disk space, you'll be _really_ unhappy. | |
| 16:34 | * jcamins | would actually double that allowance, come to think of it. |
| 16:34 | Manderson | ouch |
| 16:34 | jcamins | *lack of disk space |
| 16:34 | wtf is with my English? | |
| 16:34 | Manderson | I'm not too much concerned about actual storage space as I am about how big the indexes are... |
| 16:34 | cait | we index a lot of things |
| 16:35 | jcamins | We have a huge number of indexes. |
| 16:35 | cait | jcamins: you are talking to me too much, it damages your english |
| 16:35 | jcamins | I'd say 99% of the indexes are likely to be unused. |
| 16:35 | cait | hm maybe 80 |
| 16:35 | % | |
| 16:35 | jcamins | cait: this is an external database. |
| 16:35 | cait | but soem are probably only used under very special circumstances |
| 16:36 | jcamins | So we're looking at keyword, title, subject, and maybe author. |
| 16:36 | cait | jcamins: hm? |
| 16:36 | I am not sure i can follow you right now | |
| 16:36 | jcamins | In Manderson's case, he's planning for a database used only for federated search via PazPar2. |
| 16:36 | Manderson | Is the list of what is actually indexed on the wiki? Or should I go rooting in the zebra.cnf? |
| 16:37 | jcamins | So a lot of the indexes we use in Koha probably won't actually be used. |
| 16:37 | francharb | jcamins, last question (sorry! I feel like being annoying! ;^) : I was reading Biblio.pm and there is this comment "# By default we probably don't want to relink things when cataloging". Do you remember what you meant? I can't see when the relink can be processed if not during cataloguing actually... |
| 16:37 | magnuse | and then there is shadow indexing |
| 16:37 | jcamins | magnuse: that's the doubling. |
| 16:37 | cait | jcamins: aaah now I get you |
| 16:37 | jcamins | francharb: that's the way it worked before the patch. |
| 16:37 | cait | jcamins: in that case it should be possible to slim it down a lot |
| 16:37 | jcamins | cait: yeah, but does that really seem like a good idea? |
| 16:37 | * jcamins | thinks not. |
| 16:37 | cait | jcamins: you are confusing me. |
| 16:38 | but it could be the annoying train travel | |
| 16:38 | * cait | waves at francharb |
| 16:38 | cait | but... the train is moving again at least |
| 16:38 | francharb | hey cait ! :) |
| 16:38 | jcamins | cait: slimming it down would involve local changes to Zebra config files. |
| 16:38 | Local changes are anathema to easy troubleshooting. | |
| 16:38 | cait | jcamins: yes, that is true -but if the database is only used for search and nothing else... shouldn't it be possible ot keep them in control? (the changes) |
| 16:38 | jcamins: true | |
| 16:39 | jcamins | cait: I'd rather spend a couple hundred on hard drives. |
| 16:39 | francharb | jcamins, what? before you're patch, the relink was or wasn't during the cataloguing? |
| 16:39 | jcamins | Manderson: you can see the indexes in etc/zebradb/marc_defs/marc21/koha-biblio-zebradefs.xsl |
| 16:39 | cait | hey magnuse |
| 16:39 | jcamins | francharb: before my patch, headings were never relinked during cataloging. |
| 16:40 | francharb: possibly they were supposed to, but there was a bug and the linking didn't actually occur. | |
| 16:40 | cait | magnuse: I think the trip from oslo to stuttgart was shorter than the trip from reutlingen to konstanz.... |
| 16:40 | francharb | ok jcamins |
| 16:40 | wahanui | i guess jcamins is RM for 3.12, and just about the only one crazy enough to work on major projects in both authorities and search. |
| 16:41 | francharb | jcamins, after this one, I swear, I |
| 16:41 | will stop asking question | |
| 16:41 | jcamins | Hehe. |
| 16:41 | francharb | is there another way to relink heading than during cataloguing? |
| 16:42 | with the cronjob? | |
| 16:42 | jcamins | By running link_bibs_to_authorities.pl. |
| 16:42 | Right. | |
| 16:42 | That used to be the only option, and it used to take days and days and days because there was a massive memory leak in C4::AuthoritiesMarc. | |
| 16:42 | cait | :) but you fixed it! |
| 16:42 | Manderson | jcamins: thank you, I'll take a look |
| 16:42 | jcamins | I did, yes. |
| 16:43 | Memory leaks are also anathema to troubleshooting. | |
| 16:43 | francharb | thank you jcamins, that was my last one! |
| 16:43 | cait | heh |
| 16:43 | francharb | for today! ;) |
| 16:43 | ;) | |
| 16:43 | :) | |
| 16:43 | jcamins | :) |
| 16:44 | francharb | I'm going to check the cronjob now! \0/ and then time for a break! :) |
| 16:44 | * cait | sends francharb and jcamins cookies |
| 16:44 | francharb | cait, ++ |
| 16:44 | :) | |
| 16:44 | cait | ok, almost home now - bbl |
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| 16:46 | * druthb | pouts. She didn't give me cookies. |
| 16:47 | * jcamins | should wear more ascots and cravats. |
| 16:47 | jcamins | Perhaps this should be my new year's resolution. |
| 16:47 | druthb | o.O |
| 16:47 | O.o | |
| 16:48 | oleonard | jcamins' new look: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wi[…]/5/54/Freddie.gif |
| 16:49 | francharb | ascots and cravats++ |
| 16:49 | jcamins | No, not that kind. |
| 16:49 | I want the high kind. | |
| 16:49 | * francharb | wants to knit more to do that : http://westknits.com/index.php[…]s-cowls/birdwing/ |
| 16:49 | jcamins | francharb: oooh. That's pretty nice looking. |
| 16:49 | francharb | during winter I'm scarves obsessed |
| 16:49 | :) | |
| 16:50 | jcamins, I know!!! | |
| 16:50 | :) | |
| 16:50 | * oleonard | confirms it--never saw francharb without his scarf |
| 16:50 | francharb | one day, hopefully, I will be a better knitter to do that |
| 16:50 | oleonard, :) | |
| 16:50 | jcamins | I think I could do that. |
| 16:51 | francharb | rooo! I'm jealous! |
| 16:51 | :) | |
| 16:51 | oleonard | For the next Hackfest jcamins can send hand-made scarves instead of fudge |
| 16:51 | jcamins | Looks pretty straightforward... mostly just ribbing and decreasing. |
| 16:51 | And increasing, of course. | |
| 16:52 | What gets me are the cables. | |
| 16:52 | magnuse | cait-m: weird distances in germany? :-) |
| 16:52 | jcamins | Also piecework, though that's small enough that I think I could manage it all at one tension. |
| 16:53 | francharb | there are 3 parts knitted togother... It's maybe easier than I think... humm! I'm will check that with my knitting friend! |
| 16:53 | :) | |
| 16:54 | magnuse | oy, why are you people not talking about food? |
| 16:55 | jcamins | magnuse: I think it's 'cause my scarf nearly blew away as I was walking down the street. |
| 16:55 | magnuse | distractions! |
| 16:56 | jcamins | And because I don't wear T-shirts. |
| 16:56 | oleonard | In that case jcamins you need a scarf that won't blow away: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wi[…]Fourth_Doctor.jpg |
| 16:56 | jcamins | lol |
| 17:00 | francharb | cronjob checked! linker thing understood! Guess I can take a break now... \0/ |
| 17:00 | see ya | |
| 17:01 | * magnuse | wishes francharb_afk could teleport that understanding into his own head |
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| 17:03 | jcamins | magnuse: it's really very simple. The frotzen kvortzen and spazzen. |
| 17:03 | magnuse | jcamins: i need to add support for authorities to normarc. normarc does not have a authorities format. does reusing the marc21 frameworks and associated paraphernalia sound too crazy? |
| 17:03 | jcamins | Makes perfect sense to me. |
| 17:03 | magnuse | ah, well that should be ok then, with the kvortzen and the spazzen |
| 17:03 | jcamins: cool | |
| 17:04 | when i did the bulk of the normarc work i put it off because there wasn't a normarc framwork, and then i promptly forgot all about it, until the "get to know koha" day on wednesday | |
| 17:04 | francharb_afk | magnuse : I can try to do a documention from a librarian perspective like 'i'm cataloguing, i do this, that... if CatalogModuleRelink is set to "Do", then.... if not... |
| 17:04 | magnuse | francharb_afk: that would be super awesome! |
| 17:05 | francharb_afk | that's what I'm going to do in french. I can translate it in english. I let you know when it's done! I guess next week. ;) |
| 17:05 | time to go | |
| 17:05 | seee ya | |
| 17:05 | jcamins | I am missing four manuscripts. |
| 17:06 | * chris_n | tries to calm a patron who was fined $3200.25 |
| 17:07 | chris_n | turns out a librarian fat-fingered the year of the due date: 1912 |
| 17:08 | magnuse | chris_n: retroactive fines - yay! |
| 17:09 | chris_n | it was a big disappointment to the librarians who thought they now had funding for lots of new stuff ;-) |
| 17:09 | jcamins | chris_n: there was just a patch for that. |
| 17:10 | * chris_n | considers an amortization module for fines |
| 17:10 | chris_n | jcamins: at least a check to verify that the due date is in the future |
| 17:11 | jcamins: was it for fines or circulation? | |
| 17:11 | * chris_n | could add a check while fixing the due date field verification foo |
| 17:11 | jcamins | chris_n: it was for circulation. |
| 17:12 | I just pushed it. | |
| 17:12 | Bug 8972 | |
| 17:12 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8972 normal, P5 - low, ---, oleonard, Pushed to Master , Due Date set to 100 years ago. |
| 17:13 | magnuse | it's still possible to set due dates in the past right? but you have to use the calendar, so no typos? |
| 17:13 | oleonard | magnuse: Yes |
| 17:14 | magnuse | goody! |
| 17:25 | chris_n | is the ability to set past due dates ever justified? |
| 17:26 | jcamins | chris_n: certainly for testing. |
| 17:26 | * chris_n | thinks it should either be impossible or very, very hard |
| 17:27 | jcamins | Oh, yes: if you inadvertantly check the box to discharge items without them actually being there to check in. |
| 17:27 | We have a warning. | |
| 17:27 | If your librarians ignore all the warnings, there's not a lot you can do. | |
| 17:28 | chris_n | hmm... maybe take their cookies and milk away? |
| 17:28 | jcamins | Right. |
| 17:29 | oleonard | Yeah I've used due dates in the past after accidentally checking something in |
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| 17:34 | * magnuse | waves to cait-m |
| 17:36 | magnuse | anyone tried to use the viaf autosuggest javascript thing with a more recent version than 3.2? |
| 17:36 | this, to be precise: http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]_NAME_authorities | |
| 17:36 | jcamins | I have not. |
| 17:36 | However, it sounds really cool. | |
| 17:36 | Maybe I should. | |
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| 17:37 | jcamins | Hm. |
| 17:37 | We already have jQueryUI. | |
| 17:37 | magnuse | it does sound cool, but i'm not seeing the search box |
| 17:38 | the wiki says "Version: tested on Koha 3.2 " | |
| 17:41 | jcamins | Yeah, I don't see it either. |
| 17:47 | magnuse | did you get an error about return not being in a function or something? |
| 17:49 | jcamins | Nope. |
| 17:49 | I just didn't get anything at all. | |
| 17:49 | * magnuse | looked for it in the firebug console |
| 17:49 | Joubu | have a good w-e #koha ! |
| 17:49 | bye | |
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| 17:50 | magnuse | au revoir Joubu |
| 17:50 | gah, too late | |
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| 18:02 | magnuse | jcamins: in ~30 minutes i will have imported and indexed the ~600k marc autority records from MeSH in a public installation, if you want to have a look |
| 18:03 | jcamins | magnuse: thanks! |
| 18:05 | magnuse | i did it on my local computer already, so it should work, but i'm not sure i'm seeing what i should expect to see |
| 18:08 | jcamins | Uh-oh. |
| 18:09 | druthb | Anyone who has translation accounts: Please check out http://96.126.118.111/ #userid and pw should be the same as http://translate.koha-community.org |
| 18:09 | cait | can log in - looks good to me so far :) |
| 18:10 | druthb | The only thing that box is doing besides Pootle, is my bip proxy. :) |
| 18:11 | cait | :) |
| 18:11 | druthb++ ! | |
| 18:11 | druthb | linode++ |
| 18:11 | jcamins | druthb++ |
| 18:11 | druthb | fredericd++ #making the transfer easy. |
| 18:12 | jcamins | fredericd++ |
| 18:12 | druthb | This is a test--I want to do some smoke-testing of things, then we'll offically cut over and move the DNS. |
| 18:12 | magnuse | druthb++ |
| 18:12 | * magnuse | can log in too, and has the right permissions as far as he can tell |
| 18:13 | wanders off to make pizza, but will let jcamins know when the indexing is done (~150k records done in ~10 minutes so far...) | |
| 18:13 | jcamins | Mmmm. Pizza! |
| 18:14 | magnuse | :-) |
| 18:14 | * druthb | will be auditing the list of superusers--if you want to still be one (or be promoted to one) you've gotta talk to me about it. Otherwise, I'm lockin' the doors. |
| 18:15 | rangi | jcamins: i can take the workflow things off |
| 18:15 | i think paul put it on, im not a huge fan, but others seem to like it | |
| 18:16 | jcamins | rangi: preventing people jumping makes sense, I guess, but it seems like we spend a lot of time trying to move things back one step. |
| 18:16 | rangi | well telling them not to jump also works :) |
| 18:16 | jcamins | Actually, everything needs to be able to go to Needs Signoff. |
| 18:16 | Yeah, might as well turn off the workflow. | |
| 18:19 | tcohen | eythian, did u find the problem with koha-index-daemon ? |
| 18:19 | cait | rangi: I am not a fan of the workflos |
| 18:20 | rangi | hmm i cant see how to actually turn them off |
| 18:20 | but now every state can go to needs signoff | |
| 18:21 | and passed qa can go back to signed off | |
| 18:22 | jcamins | Thanks. |
| 18:22 | cait | :) |
| 18:36 | rangi | http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]i-bin/progress.pl |
| 18:39 | magnuse | snapshot of the last hour: http://div.libriotech.no/kohachange/ |
| 18:39 | jcamins | rangi: why don't my updates to Pushed to Master show up there? |
| 18:39 | rangi | jcamins: cos thats not what i wanted to track? |
| 18:40 | its probably someone changed the status | |
| 18:40 | so it doesnt match the query now | |
| 18:41 | jcamins | rangi: but there's a column for Pushed. |
| 18:42 | Oh, I see. | |
| 18:42 | That's to the status "Pushed," not "Pushed to Master." | |
| 18:42 | Got it. :) | |
| 18:43 | rangi | try that |
| 18:43 | jcamins | That fixed it. Thanks! |
| 18:43 | rangi | its doing the old pushed, and pushed to master as well |
| 18:43 | now | |
| 18:45 | jcamins | @wunder 11375 |
| 18:45 | huginn | jcamins: The current temperature in APRSWXNET Jackson Heights NY US, Corona, New York is 10.6°C (1:12 PM EST on November 09, 2012). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 40%. Dew Point: -2.0°C. Pressure: 30.05 in 1018 hPa (Falling). |
| 18:46 | druthb | @wunder 66046 |
| 18:46 | huginn | druthb: The current temperature in Near Lawrence High School, Lawrence, Kansas is 21.9°C (12:45 PM CST on November 09, 2012). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 24%. Dew Point: 0.0°C. Pressure: 29.80 in 1009 hPa (Falling). |
| 18:46 | rangi | @wunder nzwn |
| 18:46 | huginn | rangi: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 12.0°C (7:00 AM NZDT on November 10, 2012). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 72%. Dew Point: 7.0°C. Pressure: 30.06 in 1018 hPa (Steady). |
| 18:46 | rangi | partly cloudy my butt |
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| 18:49 | cait | raining? |
| 18:51 | oleonard | Unbearably sunny? |
| 18:51 | druthb | windy. Since, well, it's Wellington... |
| 18:55 | rangi | nope no wind and blue sky |
| 18:57 | cait | oh |
| 18:57 | rangi | i wonder what the rea's are doing today |
| 18:58 | jcamins | rangi: trying to figure out where they are? :P |
| 19:02 | rangi | hehe |
| 19:05 | hmm 1 blocker .. | |
| 19:05 | ill try to get rid of that | |
| 19:05 | jcamins | rangi++ |
| 19:05 | cait | rangi++ |
| 19:05 | rangi | the 4 majors |
| 19:05 | magnuse | rangi++ |
| 19:05 | rangi | i got rid of the other blockers and criticals yesterday |
| 19:05 | if we get to the end of weekend | |
| 19:06 | with only enhancments in needs signoff | |
| 19:06 | magnuse | gah, not enough space for the indexing... |
| 19:06 | rangi | that would be awesome |
| 19:06 | magnuse | rangi: yup, it certainly would!! |
| 19:06 | jcamins | Sure would be. |
| 19:08 | rangi | of the 103 |
| 19:08 | 82 are enhancements | |
| 19:08 | so its totally doable | |
| 19:08 | jcamins | rangi: FWIW, if I were RMaint I would probably not take 8378 for 3.8. Isn't that a commingled bugfix/enhancement, where the bugfix was only needed for Master? |
| 19:08 | rangi | as long as ppl focus on that |
| 19:08 | bug 8378 | |
| 19:08 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=8378 minor, P5 - low, ---, koha-bugs, Needs Signoff , <fine> syntax not working on overdues anymore |
| 19:08 | rangi | ah yep |
| 19:08 | i think so | |
| 19:09 | jcamins | And a bunch of the NSOs are for 3.12. |
| 19:10 | Well, 4. | |
| 19:10 | rangi | bugs? |
| 19:10 | cait | I have testing notices high on my list |
| 19:10 | wahanui | well, bugs is found at http://bugs.koha-community.org. Please fix any bugs you find. :) or reporting them is helpful, too. |
| 19:10 | cait | for master... maybe should do it for 3.8.x too? |
| 19:10 | rangi | 4 of the bugs are NSO ? |
| 19:10 | cait | hope to get to it tomorrow, but the distance study deadline is so close too :( |
| 19:10 | rangi | sorry 4 bugs are 3.12? |
| 19:10 | jcamins | Yeah, string changes. |
| 19:10 | rangi | that makes it even easier |
| 19:11 | ah right, so 3.10.1 really | |
| 19:11 | cool | |
| 19:11 | jcamins | Right. |
| 19:11 | rangi | easy peasy |
| 19:11 | jcamins | So I'd love signoffs and QA on those, but only after the others are done. |
| 19:11 | rangi | thats 17 |
| 19:11 | that are for 3.10.0 and lower | |
| 19:11 | and are bugs | |
| 19:11 | if we cant get them out of needs signoff, we arent actually trying | |
| 19:12 | jcamins | 16. Bug 8378 was already pushed to master. |
| 19:12 | rangi | right |
| 19:13 | hmm i think that might actaully be needed for 3.8.x | |
| 19:13 | * jcamins | is probably going to be able to spend all day tomorrow pushing... a shame that most of the QA team finished working a while ago. |
| 19:13 | jcamins | In that case, someone should sign off on it. :) |
| 19:13 | rangi | i think the fine syntax got broken pre 3.8.0 |
| 19:13 | yep, and not me | |
| 19:14 | cos then it will only have me looking at | |
| 19:14 | it | |
| 19:14 | maybe cait can | |
| 19:14 | *hint hint* | |
| 19:14 | its testing notices :) | |
| 19:15 | cait | lol let me read back |
| 19:15 | jcamins | rangi: when did cait become so cagey and learn not to agree before reading back? ;) |
| 19:16 | cait | ok, can I get a short one sentence summary of your discussion around the fine syntax bug plz? |
| 19:16 | rangi | hehe |
| 19:16 | jcamins | I guess this is the result of being QAM. |
| 19:16 | cait: it needs to be signed off, and neither rangi nor I will be doing it. | |
| 19:16 | cait | yeah, always suspicious and on my toes from now on... |
| 19:16 | aha | |
| 19:16 | I can't sign off, I am the only qa team member left who is going to take a look at it | |
| 19:16 | so it has to be rangi I gues | |
| 19:16 | s | |
| 19:17 | or some other volunteer who happens to stick his head in here | |
| 19:17 | jcamins | Nah, rangi is the one who will be pushing it. |
| 19:17 | rangi | its a 3.8.x patch only so i cant sign off |
| 19:17 | jcamins | I might try if I get through pushing everything that's passed QA tomorrow, but I expect by then I'll be too tired to sign off. |
| 19:18 | rangi | :) |
| 19:18 | cait | hm but if I sign off .... I can't pass qa |
| 19:18 | what am I missing? | |
| 19:19 | jcamins | I don't think it needs to go through QA again? |
| 19:19 | cait | ah |
| 19:19 | rangi | yeah it passed qa on master |
| 19:19 | cait | hm |
| 19:19 | right now it's needs sign-off | |
| 19:20 | rangi | yes, for only teh 3.8.x patch |
| 19:20 | jcamins | Right, the patch for 3.8.x needs to be signed off. |
| 19:20 | Once it's signed off, rangi can push it. | |
| 19:20 | 'Cause the code was already reviewed. | |
| 19:21 | rangi | yep |
| 19:21 | cait | ok |
| 19:21 | I willl put it on my list | |
| 19:21 | rangi | thanks |
| 19:49 | jcamins | You ignored the recommendations to not use punctuation and are now surprised that you're having problems? |
| 19:49 | * jcamins | ignores the message. |
| 19:50 | rangi | hmm? |
| 19:50 | jcamins | Our favorite troll. |
| 19:51 | rangi | ah yes |
| 19:51 | i see it now | |
| 19:51 | no more blockers! | |
| 19:52 | jcamins | Hooray! |
| 19:52 | rangi++ | |
| 19:52 | rangi | thats probably all ill get done until the evening |
| 19:52 | gotta entertain atarau | |
| 19:54 | jcamins | You could teach him how to break Koha! :P |
| 19:55 | rangi | heh |
| 19:55 | jcamins | That's got to be entertaining "here, son. Daddy spends all his time trying to make this work. I bet you can't break it!" |
| 19:55 | rangi | dont follow anyones advice |
| 19:55 | and repeatedly do what you were told was a bad idea | |
| 19:55 | i think every 3 year old has that sussed | |
| 19:56 | jcamins | lol |
| 19:57 | oleonard | I put Bug 9034 into "discussion" if anyone cares to weigh in |
| 19:57 | huginn | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=9034 enhancement, P5 - low, ---, julian.maurice, In Discussion , Add sorting and filtering on items table (catalogue/detail.pl) |
| 20:01 | rangi | ill try to have a look this evening oleonard |
| 20:06 | oleonard | Has anyone seen this before? We get it fairly often: http://screencast.com/t/i8lVnSfM |
| 20:06 | Things which are both checked out and waiting? | |
| 20:07 | rangi | that can happen |
| 20:07 | if the person overrides the reserve and doesnt cancel it | |
| 20:07 | it stays in the state it was in | |
| 20:07 | so if its marked waiting, then someone issues it | |
| 20:07 | they get the warning which they can override | |
| 20:08 | it should probably get moved back out of waiting | |
| 20:08 | of course the person will then get another email when it goes back to waiting | |
| 20:08 | its a messy one | |
| 20:08 | there isnt really a nice solution i can think of | |
| 20:09 | except blocking ppl issuing thigns that are marked waiting, to anyone other than who it is waiting for | |
| 20:09 | but then you get an angry person at the circ desk | |
| 20:09 | cait | hm but if it's waiting it has been checked in for th eother person |
| 20:09 | I think not giving it to someone else then is the right thing to do | |
| 20:10 | if it's still on the shelf and someone brings it... that's bad luck, but no harm done | |
| 20:10 | noone travelling to the library to pickup a hold that is no longer there | |
| 20:10 | oleonard | rangi: That's what I assume happens, but it seems like it happens more often than it should |
| 20:10 | jcamins | We have a syspref to prevent items being checked out to other people when they're on hold, don't we? |
| 20:11 | rangi | i think you perhaps can still override |
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| 20:12 | rangi | id have to try |
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| 22:13 | Manderson | Still struggling with why Zebra isn't indexing new records. I have to manually rebuild the index... |
| 22:14 | Not a big deal for small numbers, but that is a non-starter when the catalog grows | |
| 22:15 | ras0ir | you have cronjobs installed? |
| 22:15 | Manderson | Yes |
| 22:15 | with the flags -b -a -z | |
| 22:15 | and turning on verbose logging, I see that a record gets exported... | |
| 22:15 | I'll post it in pastebin | |
| 22:16 | http://pastebin.com/vGCUsSrM | |
| 22:16 | (That's with -v -v verbosity) | |
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| 22:37 | bag | rangi you still around? |
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| 23:12 | bag | @seen sekjal |
| 23:12 | huginn | bag: sekjal was last seen in #koha 3 weeks, 0 days, 7 hours, 16 minutes, and 33 seconds ago: <sekjal> this is one of the first times I've listened to music at work… that's definitey something I miss from my home office days |
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